Drinking Liberally — Seattle


Please join us tonight for another Tuesday evening of politics under the influence at the Seattle chapter of Drinking Liberally. We meet at the Montlake Ale House, 2307 24th Avenue E. beginning at about 8:00 pm. Some of us will be there even earlier for dinner.

To ponder: Why the hell do they hate homeless veterans, for crying out loud?

Not in Seattle? There is a good chance you live near one of the 328 other chapters of Drinking Liberally.


  1. 1

    sarge spews:

    The Senate Republicans are a disgrace. Had Sen Murray asked for unanimous consent to eliminate the “death tax” on wealthy dead people, the Republicans would have cheered, and would have no concerns that it be paid for “up front”.

    Senate Republicans are a disgrace to our nation. Unlimited tax cuts for the wealthiest individuals and largest corporations, endless war, total disregard for the environment, and absolutely no concern for the unemployed or homeless veteran mothers with children.

    Did I mention that Senate Republicans are a disgrace?

  2. 3

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Republicans love wealth, power, and position. Soldiers have none of those things. They’re just blue-collar working stiffs toting military guns instead of nail guns. That’s why Republicans hate them.

    To a Republican, a worker — whether he changes tires or fights war — is someone who has to be paid a wage. They can’t stand that. They want everyone to work for free. Republicans liked soldiers better when they were unpaid draftees.

    Republicans love the World War I French Army model. In that war, the monthly wage paid to French Army conscripts would buy one or two eggs in the local farmer’s market. Republicans want to replicate that labor model for the entire U.S., if not world, economy.

  3. 4

    righton spews:

    Why do Dems hate my kids so much; sending a trillion to Obama crony’s at Fannie Mae, Freddie mac (hello, 100mm to Franklin Raines). Dems steal money, get re-elected,

  4. 6

    Michael spews:


    If I remember correctly, the French didn’t do so hot in that war. But all the rich folks got to parade around on horses while wearing fancy uniforms and bossing the local peasants around.

    If we brought the boys home from sand box #1 & 2, Okinawa, & Thule Air Base we could probably afford to buy all the Republicans a fancy uniform and replace our soldiers poodle shooters with real rifles.

  5. 7

    Steve spews:

    “Why do Dems hate my kids”

    If it makes you feel any better, Republicans hate your kids too. And in case you didn’t know it yet, you and your kids are all fucked. Have a nice day!

  6. 8

    Michael spews:


    Why do Dems hate my kids

    Hell, the righties wanted to poison their air, food, and water, close their schools, send their jobs over seas, and send them off to war, ill-trained, ill-equipped, and holding a rifle that chambers a round designed to kill varmints that weigh up to 40 pounds.

    Compared to the right, the lefties are Jesus H. Christ Himself.

  7. 10


    How miserable is it to be a craphead who is PROUD he voted for Shrub twice.

    Fannie and Freddie? What a laugh! There’s a hardly a bank in this country either now or in the glory days of the Reagan/Bush crowd who’d float a mortgage without Freddie/Fannie guarantees.

    Name me a Republican (besides Ron Paul) who wants to see Freddie/Fannie shut down.

    And what any Freddie/Fannie exec made was no more egregious than any of the other “too big to fail” outfits.

    What did Republicans do to halt ‘too big to fail’ when they were in charge? Remember for 4 years they had it ALL!

  8. 11

    righton spews:

    yeah, and Woodrow wilson screwed up too. Gee, how long to you trot out Bush. Lets talk today….why would we pour another trillion into this welfare scam….? (and i mean blue collar and white collar welfare). Ever heard of moral hazard? if we let them go down, we lessen the future likliehood of same event. Face it, we are turning into Argentina…

  9. 12


    11 – Argentina doesn’t have that many billionaires and multination corps hoarding wealth. Tax the rich like they were under FDR,Truman,Ike,JFK on up to Carter and the problem goes away.

    Corporations in the Truman days paid as much as 40 percent of the tax burden.

    Now they pay around 10 percent and most of that is from smaller, medium sized businesses.

    That by itself is a disaster.

  10. 13


    Ever heard of moral hazard? if we let them go down, we lessen the future likliehood of same event.

    That was tried. It was called Lehman Brothers. It was useless to stop the freeze up of the financial system.

  11. 15

    Michael spews:


    Gee, how long to you trot out Bush.

    We are going to trot out Bush as long as people insist on doing exactly what Bush and Co. did. The right is singing the same old tune they sung when Bush was in the White House.

  12. 16

    righton spews:

    Bush didn’t nominate socialist to the court, nor piss away billions to SEIU and the unions. Yes he was wrong not to insist on a balanced budget. and yes, in face of market crash, both he and Obama rightly spent a lot….the difference is Obama is pissing it away on payrolls that don’t have any multiplier effect. Giving grants to study fish or whatever the crazy stuff is, is only payoffs to his allies. it earns no extra economic beneift, but clearly adds to the bills our kids will have to pay.

    argentina used to be the richest country on earth. then the peronistas took over and now its another banana republic. the rich live well and poor don’t. same is happening here.

  13. 17

    Michael spews:

    Starting the Iraq War wasn’t pissing money away? Not enforcing finical regs wasn’t pissing money away?

    Obama hasn’t nominated a socialist to the Supreme Court either.

    And the story of the day is that The Right is saying EXACTLY the same thing they said as they ran our country into the ditch. They’ve learned nothing.

  14. 18

    proud leftist spews:

    righton @ 16: “argentina used to be the richest country on earth.”

    Yikes, we have a real historian here, don’t we? Why do people like this get to vote?

  15. 19

    Deathfrogg spews:

    @ 18

    You oughta know by now that teabaggers just make up their own history as they go along.

    When actualities get in the way of their ideology, they just make up shit to fit their perceptions and insist that everyone should just take their words on faith, as they do.

    Teabaggers define the term “cognitive dissonance”. You can not run an economy, a military organization or a system of laws on faith. Just believing isn’t good enough. Reality has a way of biting believers in the ass. This is why the conservatives oppose education.

    “If your faith conflicts with reality, ignore reality.”

    -Teabagger maxim

  16. 20

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    @16 righton on 06/29/2010 at 10:49 pm,

    argentina used to be the richest country on earth.

    Congratulations! With that statement you have qualified as a finalist for STUPIDEST PERSON ON THE INTERNET!

    Now, tell us more of your nonsense based opinions.

  17. 21

    righton spews:

    i exagerated to make a point; point is still valid

    Poor economic policies and political instability contributed to Argentina’s decline from its noteworthy position as the world’s 10th wealthiest nation in 1913 to the world’s 36th wealthiest in 1998. Argentina is the only wealthy country to experience so great a reversal in recent history, despite the involvement of the International Monetary Fund (IMF). Indeed, the IMF’s loans and guidance have aggravated, not alleviated, Argentina’s problems. After more than nine bailouts and extensions of IMF loans since 1983, Argentina once again faces a financial crisis, with fewer
    prospects for stimulating effective economic growth in the future.

    from Argentina’s Economic Crisis: An “Absence of Capitalism”Published on April 19, 2001 by Ana Eiras and Brett Schaefer

  18. 22

    rhp6033 spews:

    Righton @ 21: I haven’t read the book you referenced.

    But it seems to me that Argentina’s had lots of problems, including fascist movements since pre-WWII, multiple military dictatorships, concentration of wealth in small circles, etc. It’s still struggling with re-establishing Democratic institutions since the fall of the military juntas after the Falklands/Malidives war.

    Often, when we study other countries, we try to fit them within our own media’s simplistic concept of left/right idology and economic philosophy. It seldom works, the situations in other countries are just too different from our own. We soon find ourselves in uncharted territory.

  19. 23

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @11 “Gee, how long to you trot out Bush.”

    We’ll review the situation and see where we are 1,000 years from now. Barring drastic advances in human longevity, that won’t help you much. You have to wear that albatross around your rightwing neck for the rest of your life.

  20. 24

    rhp6033 spews:

    Wow. Lots of wingnutty news this morning. Let’s start with Dino Rossi.

    Kyung M. Song
    Seattle Times Washington Bureau

    WASHINGTON — Dino Rossi, who declared a run for Patty Murray’s Senate seat with the pledge to take back Washington and “unleash the power of the people,” on Tuesday mingled with some of the folks who constitute the D.C. establishment: politicians and lobbyists….

    Among the hosts at the fundraiser were Sen. Orrin Hatch, of Utah, vice chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, and Sen. Lamar Alexander, of Tennessee, Senate GOP Conference chairman. Sen. Jim DeMint, of South Carolina, Sen. Tom Coburn, of Oklahoma, and Sen. Bob Corker, of Tennessee, were some of the others scheduled to attend.

    The event near the U.S. Capitol was held at Polaris Consulting, a lobbying firm that promises clients “unparalleled access, expertise and experience.” It was organized by The Gula Graham Group, a Republican fundraising and consulting company in Washington, D.C.

    Tickets cost $500 per person and $1,000 for each PAC, or political-action committee. Co-host designations cost $1,000 per person and $2,000 per PAC. Reporters were not allowed at the reception….

    Source: Seattle Times Key GOP senators host Rossi fundraiser

  21. 25

    rhp6033 spews:

    I missed the chance to edit this edition to # 24: It seems that Rossi is playing the same game he did in 2008: elbow up to the big-shots for the money, mouth some meaningless platitudes to “the people” about being one of them, and then keeping reporters from getting anywhere close enough to ask any meaningful questions.

  22. 26

    rhp6033 spews:

    And in Idaho, things just keep getting wierder and wierder. The Idaho Republican Party has just adopted a platform which calls for, among other things, nullification (because that worked out so well for South Carolina in 1835 and 1860), and a return to payments by gold and silver. (Yep, that will solve all our economic problems!!!!) Just in case that wasn’t enough, they are calling for a repeal of the 17th Amendment (the one which allows for the direct election of U.S. Senators, instead of election by the state legislature).

    Source: Idaho GOP: Repeal election of U.S. Senators

    It seems that the Idaho GOP has decided it’s “turn back the clock day”, and they are going to pretend that they are still living somewhere in the first half of the 19th century. Without those pesky Indians to deal with, of course.

  23. 27


    The best essay I’ve ever read on Argentina was V.S. Naipaul’s. Argentina is basically a sterile society that may have changed somewhat since Naipaul wrote his essay in the early 70’s but I’d venture not that much. What did Argentine after Argentine tell Naipaul?

    Absolutely NOTHING happened here!

    i.e. no history worth mentioning.

    You’d almost think you were in a developed country.

    i.e. appearances are totally deceiving.

    Wealth? Only through plunder! Just like this country by the way in the early days. Our saving grace was waves of immigration that brought lots of people with crazy ideas in their heads which after years of patient effort paid off in spades. The typical right winger only knows how to exploit.

    What are the industries of the right winger in this country? Big Ag, big oil, big mining, insurance, deep discount retail – mostly extractive.

    What are the industries of the more progressive leaning – high tech, entertainment/arts, media.

    The right winger grabs hard assets and holds on for dear life to create scarcity and extract rents.

    The more progressive leaning creates assets out of thin air from ideas and works long term to demonstrate their value. He builds a better mousetrap. Stan Ovshinsky’s various companies after 400 patents and a lifetime of invention probably made little to no profits from his ideas.

    You got Argentina on the brain you fool. There’s no comparison. Banana Republic? That’s the DREAM society of right wingers!

  24. 28


    “If your faith conflicts with reality, ignore reality.”

    Wow. That statement distills the driving principle of the HA troll like few others I’ve seen.

    That’s one for the ages.

  25. 29


    “If your faith conflicts with reality, ignore reality.”

    Wow. That statement distills the driving principle of the HA troll like few others I’ve seen.

    That’s one for the ages.

  26. 30

    Just Wondering spews:

    The rhetoric of the Ugly Party shares some common themes: urging the death or sexual humiliation of opponents or comparing a political enemy to vermin or diseases. It is not merely an adolescent form of political discourse; it encourages a certain political philosophy — a belief that rivals are somehow less than human, which undermines the idea of equality and the possibility of common purposes.