Tuesday means politics…and the Seattle Chapter of Drinking Liberally will get together to chat, celebrate, and even complain. There’s room for you to stop by for a pint and some discussion, too.
The Seattle chapter of DL meets every Tuesday at the Roanoke Park Place Tavern (2409 10th Ave E, Seattle) starting at 8pm. We are still out on the patio (under an awning) in the back. The kitchen is still closed, but feel free to bring your own dinner. Note that a COVID vaccination card and ID are required to enter the Roanoke.
Chapters of Drinking Liberally can be found all over the place. If you can’t make the Seattle chapter, find a chapter near you.
And just like that, with the reconciliation bill back on track, Biden has now turned to promoting a new carve-out in Senate debate rules to eliminate the filibuster from debt ceiling legislation.
Manchin tells media he’s willing to “work it out”.
We may get a voting rights bill sooner than I thought.
@1 “We may get a voting rights bill sooner than
IDoctor Dumbfuck thought.”Seattle City Council doesn’t have to “right-size” the police dep’t., because the cops will do it for them.
“A third of Seattle cops have yet to submit proof of vaccination” — Seattle Times headline
3 i bet the venn diagram of bad cop and won’t vaxx has a lot of overlap
3)Surprised that the FBI raided the NYPD Seargents Benevolent Association.
@5 You’re surprised the FBI raided a NY cop union president’s home and office? Of course, they needed a search warrant, which requires probable cause; and as Doctor Dumbfuck will explain to you, the FBI couldn’t tell a corrupt union official from the Trump boys talking to a Russian lawyer with Putin ties, so they probably fucked this up, too. (The lawyer was actually Rudy Guiliani in drag.)
3,
They probably haven’t had a chance to get one yet.
Too busy holding Sheriff Troyer close and whispering comforting words in his ears to quiet his desperate sobbing.
5,
Maybe they got a hot tip from Shake Shack.
Daily Mail headline: “Mike Pence says media’s focus on the Capitol Riot is meant to ‘demean’ Trump supporters”
Yeah. Me, too.
6)The Backlash, since the head of the SBA is a Trump friend. I believe he even condemned the teachers Union for marching over Eric Garner. Police Unions dictate too much in contract negotiations, especially over discipline issues. Was listening to the Minnesota AG in an interview, suggested they should be able to negotiate over wages, pensions, and benefits. That’s more than Walker gave the public employees other than cop unions.
@ 10
The SBA in the news today is in NY.
The Minnesota AG oversees enforcement of MN law.
Walker was governor of WI.
Other than that, a very seamless freeform discussion of nothing in particular, Railfan.
11)Wasn’t talking to you.
IF ANYTHING, I WAS SHOWING AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THE POLICE UNIONS GET SPECIAL TREATMENT. THE INTERVIEW OI MENTIONED, WAS ABOUT THE POWER OF THE POLICE GUILD. I expect the Union to fight for their members, but not negotiable a disciplinary process that rigs the game.
I don’t mind ATU 587 doing their job and representing drivers in the disciplinary process after an accident. Just that they should not get the driver their job back after a fatal accident. I remember one case where they were complaining about a bad bus design that hampered driver visibility. It had split screen windshield, with the driver’s side having it sloped inward. Since Metro keeps buses in service long past the industry minimum of 12 years, perhaps the drivers and mechanics ought to have some input. I think they got the average age for a retired Metro bus down to 16-20 years. Better than what they inherited with Seattle Transit and Metropolitan Transit CO’s Motley fleet.
@11 Police unions aren’t out of control only in New York. They’re (arguably) only more corrupt there.
Seattle’s cop union is about to shrink.
https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/seattle/seattle-police-officers-have-not-shown-proof-of-covid-19-vaccination/281-71bd8f75-4276-4479-be9b-fa5175267791
But who’ll need cops when we’re living in a Republican paradise where everyone is carrying and 17-year-old vigilantes are enforcing our laws, amirite?
“I expect the Union to fight for their members, but not negotiable a disciplinary process that rigs the game.”
If they could, many unions would do so. If they could. But normally what pushes back against that is management who understandably worry that without a functional disciplinary/reward process they would be unable to meet management objectives.
That’s often a very powerful countervailing incentive. Managers are by definition accountable for outcomes, rather than activities. Their performance is judged based upon how well they achieve outcomes given a finite or limited set of resources. If a collective bargaining agreement deprives them of their ability to reward activities that promote management objectives and/or discipline activities that hinder management objectives they are rendered ineffective, and essentially useless.
Now apply this paradigm to police work and we begin to see some of the problems. The first problem is that police themselves are their own managers. They’ve established a “blue line” belief system in society that claims that the activities of police work are incomprehensible to lay persons, of even highly trained managers from outside the discipline. They regard any and all suggestions of direct “civilian” supervision as intolerable outrages.
Not only does this mean that police manage themselves, but it also means that police themselves get to define management objectives. If you ever read a major metropolitan police budget you’ll see that spelled out in the line items. Being exclusively in charge of their own management and empowered to define their own objectives, the normal tension that might exist between workforce and management is essentially wiped away. So there is really no need for an efficient disciplinary/reward system of procedures in modern policing – at least not one that serves public interests or objectives.
But also, sadly we ourselves bear considerable responsibility for this mess. Because we have popularized and inculcated an idea of police work that both glamorizes the work and valorizes those who perform the work. Police themselves of course buy into this mythology. But the public is mostly responsible for creating it. In reality police work is neither particularly dangerous nor particularly demanding technically. Police hiring authorities prefer candidates who are slightly less intelligent and demonstrate a willingness to adhere to rote procedure and act protectively toward the system.
And yet the public continues to promote frankly idiotic images of police as intellectually brilliant super-sleuths and self-sacrificing, courageous super-heroes. And the promotion of this cop mythology encourages our elected officials to acquiesce to the insane demands of police unions. And they really are insane. Objectively so.
Remember, these are not water plant workers or street lighting workers. We legally empower these people to shoot us in the face with large caliber handguns loaded with hollow point ammunition. We grant them the authority to make that decision. And yet, completely inexplicably, we include in their collective bargaining agreement a guarantee that they cannot be questioned about that decision for at least several days after having made it, and only after they have consulted with a lawyer that we provide. And we extend that same guarantee to every other police worker (witness) who might be involved and their direct supervisors. And then when they are questioned, we guarantee that they will only be questioned by their coworkers, and only with their taxpayer provided lawyers present.
We do all of this to ourselves. And all we have to do is stop.
This is what #FJB looks like on a statewide basis.
This is why:
https://twitter.com/EvanMcMullin/status/1445365771828334594
Wait! No.. what? I’m not following…
I was repeatedly told by “those in the know” that Democratic Party “excesses” and “overreach” would produce a groundswell of moderate, suburban white people challenging the liberal orthodoxies and splintering the party.
These “centrist intellectuals” promised me that if Democrats did not move toward the right and accommodate their “perfectly valid concerns” about “gimmee-gimmee urbans”, BLM, ANTIFA, The Squad, and Obama’s Tan Suit, then Democratic incumbents would be drowned under a tidal wave of EEN-DEE-PEN-DUNCE candidates.
Was that wrong?
Robinhood Dumbfuck Rabbit doesn’t have a FB account. It’s not hard to understand why. The only person who wants to communicate with him is his best friend, Spam Risk, who calls him about once a day to check in.
@ 17
Ah, the grift continues.
In 2016 he was to be the savior of the presidential election for the Never Trumpers. Ran up two-thirds of a million dollars of debt that was never paid. Zero electoral votes for his efforts.
This might be different, tho. He only needs to file his candidacy in one state.
@ 17, 19
History’s more notable presidential election vote siphons include Ross Perot, who gave us Bill Clinton.
Ooh, and Ralph Nader, who helped give us George W. Bush.
The biggest, of course, is Hillary Clinton’s corruption and unlikable personality, which gave us
Gorsuch.
Kavanaugh.
Coney Barrett.
IOW she’s the gift that keeps on giving.
I guess Ross Perot was good for the GOP, after all.
19,
You once claimed you supported him.
You even claimed you voted for him.
We know. You were lying.
Again.
Now do JEB!
This might not have been “the look” he was after when he began:
https://www.politico.com/minutes/congress/10-6-2021/Mind-on-Manchin/
But it probably was inevitable that he was going to wind up all by himself way out on that limb. Not one single “Bipartisan Buddy” to keep him company.
Truth hurts.
@ 22
Now do JEB!
JEB! didn’t try to win electoral votes in a single state in order to deny Trump a win in a close presidential race, QoS McHillbilly. A very weak demand from you, it appears.
Yes, a lot of money was spent on JEB!, per vote received in the primaries. But when the primary season ended, that was it. JEB! was not a factor in November, 2016. Turns out #CrookedHillary wasn’t much of a factor, either, but I digress.
JEB!, done.
@ 23
But it probably was inevitable that he was going to wind up all by himself way out on that limb. Not one single “Bipartisan Buddy” to keep him company.
Does not much seem that he cares. You care. I get that. We all get that, QoS McHillbilly.
More on the VA governor race:
The Emerson poll did not specifically ask about the Libertarian candidate, Princess Blanding. She was excluded from the debate last week, so her polling is apparently weak to very weak.
But here’s the thing. While Libertarians typically draw votes from the GOP candidate, Ms. Blanding is a black woman. It’s important to recall, as well, that McAuliffe defeated two other black women in the primary race this year.
The black vote may not be as firmly in the Democrat camp as is usually the case. Biden is clearly hurting McAuliffe, and Biden is down 20 points with black voters.
Four weeks until the election is a long time. McAuliffe will be sweating ever single day of that.
As you’ll all no doubt recall, Wingman pleaded guilty to kid-fucking back in May and was originally scheduled for formal sentencing in August. That was bumped into November to give more time for him to continue informing the Feds on all of his many criminal accomplices in all the kid-fucking, like Rep. Matt Gaetz, their weed doctor pal, and perhaps a smattering of other Florida Republicans.
Now Wingman and the DOJ have requested that court grant another delay, this time until March next year. It’s a lot of time. Which got me to wondering: what’s left? Wingman has been at this formally since May, and informally through his attorney since last year. He’s submitted to over 30 hours of interviews, turned over computers, phones, hard drives, accounts, and documents. He’s worn a wire. I would have assumed that whatever homie had to give up, it’s been given. So what would remain?
Testifying under oath in court, is what remains.
As part of his agreement DOJ agreed to drop 27 criminal charges against Wingman in exchange for his cooperation. As it stands, under the agreement he pleaded guilty to child sex trafficking (with a max sentence of life), illegally making fake IDs, aggravated identity theft, wire fraud, stalking, and conspiracy. The last charge is notable. It suggests that there is a fellow conspirator. Actually it requires it.
I wonder who?
If the public will forget about Afghanistan in time, why won’t they forget about the summer Wuhan surge in Florida, too?
Hey, don’t blame me.
Americans are paying the most for gas in seven years
I’m not the one who killed Keystone.
Fuck California.
Higher oil prices also mean oil sands extraction is cost-effective. That oil just won’t be coming into the US. #FJB.
CNN.
Not Fox. CNN.
ISIS-K suicide bomber who carried out deadly Kabul airport attack had been released from prison days earlier
This is all on First Vegetable Joe Biden. The 2500 troops he refused to keep in Afghanistan would have kept the Bagram base under control, and the bomber would have stayed in prison.
On Facebook today my feed has an ad for the Amtrak “Train Crash Victims Compensation Fund – Apply Now”, from consumerassistanceteam.com.
Amtrak really is just a big grift. A transfer of cash from taxpayers to attorneys, with a little bit going to “Over 50 people injured” and, apparently, a shit-ton about to go to liars and other progressives who will claim some sort of slight. Triggering by the shock of it all, etc.
Railfan might actually have a valid claim. To think that you spent your life loving something, only to find out that it randomly kills people because the sun is out, must be emotionally damaging to a transportation-loving liberal, after all. There’s gotta be some PTSD angle to it that he can monetize, amirite?
Cops. They don’t do what you think they do.
Duhr, I dunno.
Could it be ’cause their YaYa died in Florida, during DeathSantis’ BEACH WEEEEEK!!! and not in Afghanistan?
Just spit-ballin’ here.
WARNING! WARNING!
Fake “FB friends in CO” are closer than they appear.
@ 34
Thinking because First Vegetable Joe Biden failed to prevent the deaths in each case, QoS McHillbilly.
@ 35
How dare you question my vaccine truth.
I identify as a fully-vaccinated individual. I identify has having received Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J.
If The Even Bigger Fucking Moron has an intellectual soulmate in the Senate, it’s Hirono.
Not a thoughtful neuron in the brain of either of them.
Note that a COVID vaccination card and ID are required to enter the Roanoke.
There also used to be a GED/high school diploma requirement to participate in Drinking Liberally discussions, but that was discontinued so that YLB could participate.
For unto us a Clydesdale is born, unto us a Stallion is given, and the government shall be upon His shoulder; and his name shall be called Eminem.
Isaiah 9 two dots 5
Steve:
Majority Say The Biden Administration Is Not Competent
That’s what the Q-poll has to say about First Vegetable Joe Biden. I wanted to make sure you caught that.
October 06, 2021
Americans Give President Biden Lowest Marks Across The Board, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Majority Say The Biden Administration Is Not Competent
Biden’s in the 30s, Steve. Well done, Moobs. Well done.
The intelligent half, and a few Democrat stragglers comprise that 55%.
Biden’s underwater on every topic queried, Moobs.
Higher oil prices also mean
oil sands extractionfracking…is more cost effective and can be done here in the good old USA..
in many places..
Canada can go pound tar sands.. dimfuk will gladly help. for freedumb or something..
Moscow Mitch blinked.. the US chamber crowd ate it up…
https://www.investors.com/market-trend/stock-market-today/dow-jones-futures-market-rallies-mcconnell-debt-limit-offer-affirm-explodes-bitcoin-jumps/
But he was always going to do that, right? Thanks Mitch.. Grandstanding looks good on ya..
@ 42
Only until the next EO is issued. Energy companies have little reason to invest in domestic production if they have reason to believe that Biden is one Geritol tablet away from an authoritative decision that he doesn’t like what they do.
Biden eliminated new opportunities on federal lands. That tells people a lot about what he’s got in store for their efforts on private lands.
Until 2025, you won’t see much new US activity unless it’s standard drilling on land already under contract. What’s produced in Canada will be shipped west instead of south.
Nice try, YLB. Better than your usual drivel.
why won’t they forget about the summer Wuhan surge in Florida, too?
Covid surge killed aunts, uncles, brothers, sisters, grandpas, grandmas, wives, hubands, etc.. etc.. of American citizens in..
Florida. Way more than lost their lives in Afghanistan.
DeathSantis fiddled while over 55,000 Floridians DIED.
@44 After gas prices “hurt” Obama in 2012, one would think you’d learn.
Heh…
What’s produced in Canada will be shipped west instead of south.
Let them.. Right over the Rockies. Why bother piping it through the sand hills of Nebraska to TexASS?
For freedumb of dimfuk to blather silly drivel on HA..
Please continue..
@ 43
• Two more months of ugly inflation numbers.
• Two more months of declining Florida Wuhan numbers and spiking Northeast US Wuhan numbers.
• Two months closer to the November mid-terms, with job loss staring an increasing number of Democrat congresspersons in the face.
• Two weeks before a Xmas season in which all of the potential gifts are stuck in container ships off the coast of California.
• Two more months of fuckin’ ugly poll data staring Biden in the face.
• The effects of the 400,000 illegal aliens expected to hit the southern border this month will be fully felt.
• Two more months of presidential incompetence witnessed by the American people.
YLB, why does kicking the can down the road for two months help Democrats? Why does it hurt the GOP?
Add this to the reasons Manchin has no pressure to cave:
@47 GQP nihilism looks good on ya dimfuk..
It should look as good as your gas prices blather back in 2012..
Better even.
yawnnnnn.. I’m bored.
I’m thinking about First Vegetable Joe Biden’s 38% approval and I can’t help but think it’s the same that Jimmy Carter had entering the Fall 1980 campaign.
Democrats abandoned Carter in the last year of his presidency. With Biden’s approval by his own party at only 80%, it seems as if Democrats are beginning to abandon him in the first year of his presidency.
“Some thought”? Hell, QoS McHillbilly bet the ranch on it.
Remember, “McConnell blinked.”
51,
I’ve only ever bet that Biden’s “approval” would always surpass the GOP nominee in any direct comparison.
Overwhelmingly, perhaps naively, most Americans expected that with a life saving vaccine freely and widely distributed to every American everywhere in April that we’d be done with this pandemic by now. But most Americans did not account for Q-curious VAX denial among “conservatives” enthralled to Trump nihilism.
Pandemic fatigue is very real and very significant. People are now sending their kids to school wearing gas masks and worrying daily about the next outbreak closure. “The Office” is still mostly on hiatus. And trailer state body piles have not yet peaked out. Live entertainment, events, hospitality, and travel are a confusing cluster-fuck of varying and competing requirements. And all of this is entirely due to suicidal commitment to superstitions on the part of BurQa Bob’s fellow “conservatives”. Everything is still a long way from “normal” and that’s leading most people to begin to wonder if “normal” will ever be possible again. That scares the shit out of them a whole lot more than inflation, or the Taliban.
On the other hand, in progressive states 1-dose vax rates are now finally climbing above 70% and 2-dose can be expected to follow soon after by the end of this month and before the major holiday season commences. If the science is right, and BurQa Bob and MTG are wrong, that means that statewide and in most counties in Real America restrictions and closures will come down next month. As for what happens in Idaho, or Alabama, or Tennessee I don’t know and I honestly don’t care at this point.
Real America will get back to something closer to normal in the next 30 days. The masks will come off and people can return to eating and celebrating indoors and enjoying shows again. With passage of some key legislation and a fairly normal Holiday season ahead it should be pretty nice. The fear and uncertainty will subside.
But at least BurQa Bob will always have this moment right here.
Ain’t much. But it’s what he’s got.
@ 52
… in progressive states 1-dose vax rates are now finally climbing above 70% and 2-dose can be expected to follow soon after by the end of this month and before the major holiday season commences.
Why the pause in those progressive states, QoS McHillbilly? After all, the average, including the Neanderthal states dragging it down, was 65% on June 18. That’s more than 3 1/2 months ago.
Biden’s July 4 Goal in Jeopardy as CDC Reports 65% of Adults at Least Partially Vaccinated
If one-dose rates were at 65% in mid-June, why are we not at 70% in “progressive” states yet, QoS McHillbilly? Did all the liberals take the summer off?
Or is it possible that the CDC was way, way off in its “calculation” in June, as it tried so hard to support First Vegetable Joe Biden’s 70%-by-July-4th goal?
It’s also interesting that despite all that wonderful advantage of the vaccination rates in progressive states, it’s the progressive states currently experiencing a rise in infection rates these days. Explainable, if you ask me, but still interesting.
Tomorrow I’m eligible for Pfizer # 3. Apparently immunity from #s 1 and 2 is declining quickly. Getting a little tired of cleaning each piece of gym equipment I touch before and after, but I’ll live.
This is the second hate crime hoax perpetrated by a black person in the Atlanta area in the very recent past.
Black Woman Masquerading As Ku Klux Klan Member Terrorized Neighbors, Faces Charges
Here’s the other one:
Anybody else think First Vegetable Joe Biden’s necktie looks an awful lot like a noose?
Still waiting for Goldy & Co. to explain why they thought nominating a crook for president in 2016 was such a great idea.
Biden eliminated new opportunities on federal lands.
Hmmmm.. Why would he do something like that I wonder?
Maybe because…
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2020/oct/26/revealed-trump-public-lands-oil-drilling
and
https://newrepublic.com/article/159290/trumps-fire-sale-public-lands-oil-gas-drillers
It was open season for carbon polluters and fossil fuel opportunists under the orange disaster.
And didn’t you just bleat that Obama allowed more drilling in the Gulf?
Enough “opportunities” had been made available already.
That tells people a lot about what he’s got in store for their efforts on private lands.
A fantasy… Something of a kind with the kreepee shit you spew here. But if any action Biden takes along those lines, imagined or not, and it concerns more massive release of greenhouse gases – it’s long overdue. Highly unlikely to be completely by edict.
Drumpf had a fucking wall “in store” for private lands in TexASS.. That was OK.. Was it not? Afaik, didn’t get far.
Nice try.. yawwwn..
53,
Workplace mandates.
Not complicated.
Shoulda been done in April. Biden should have nationalized the guard and deployed them onto freeway ramps with vaccine and ear tags.
You and your fellow VAX deniers would wind up just as dead/wounded only without the delay and expense.
This may explain why Biden is now much more active and open to exercise of Executive authority. If McConnell doesn’t back down/blink he’ll raise the debt on his own. He’s working the House and Senate first person singular. He’s campaigning in key states. And he’s not letting Manchinema hide behind him anymore. The six months of delay he’ll never get back and he probably realizes that now. I doubt he’ll make the same mistake again.