Please join us this evening for a feast of politics…and a beer at the Seattle Chapter of Drinking liberally.
We meet every Tuesday at the Roanoke Park Place Tavern, 2409 10th Ave E, Seattle. You’ll find us in the small room at the back of the tavern. Our starting time is 8:00 pm, but some folks stop by even earlier for dinner.
Can’t make it to Seattle tonight? Check out one of the other DL meetings happening this week. The Long Beach, Tri-Cities and West Seattle chapters also meet tonight. The Lakewood chapter meets on Wednesday. And the Bremerton, Spokane, and Kent chapters meet on Thursday.
There are 183 chapters of Living Liberally, including eighteen in Washington state, four in Oregon and two in Idaho. Chances are good there’s a chapter meeting near you.
Goldy @GoldyHA
To my trolls, the course of my political writing career can be summed up as:
1.”Go get a job!”
2.”Go get a REAL job!”
3.”Fucking sellout!”
4. Now, about the other side of the issue…
5. Estate planning requires action prior to death. Otherwise it isn’t, um, planning.
http://horsesass.org/quite-pos.....nt-1267883
6. MSA data is either interchangeable with City data or it isn’t. Using it in one post and criticizing it in another post, dependent upon whether it helps you or doesn’t help you, is hypocritical. Retweeting when others do it doesn’t absolve you of complicity in their hypocrisy.
7. If a Los Angeles city hotel worker loses a job due to an increase in the minimum wage there and Goldy doesn’t blog about it despite numerous opportunities
http://horsesass.org/friday-ni.....nt-1294827
http://horsesass.org/drinking-.....nt-1295011
http://horsesass.org/a-week-in.....nt-1295142
to engage, does it matter? Or does it only matter after the first Tuesday in November?
Goldy @GoldyHA
Congratulations to @SeanRayford, the only working photojournalist left in America, apparently! pic.twitter.com/rZkDJ0hyg1
Pretty much one out of every three Americans owns an iPhone. Everyone’s a photojournalist now. Which probably explains why the labor force participation rate is at levels not seen in decades. Either that or the number of billionaires willing to hire the unemployed is shrinking.
Tuesday morning news roundup:
(1) Conservative hero George Zimmerman continues to be an underclass act.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ge.....tin-tweet/
(2) Karma meets Trump (read links in sequence):
(a) http://www.rollingstone.com/mu.....c-20150909
(b) http://www.cbsnews.com/news/tr.....r-sellers/
(3) Oklahoma City’s religious monument is gone.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/te.....l-grounds/
(4) Why is high school football suddenly so deadly? Is someone stuffing rocks in players’ helmets?
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/se.....me-injury/
@2 The ongoing replacement of workers with robots has created a new leisure class of unpaid journalists. After all, those liberated from the drudgery of employment have to do something with their time.
@ 3
There are so many recently liberated, RR, that a term has been applied to them:
http://www.latimes.com/local/l.....story.html
Not unrelated, 10% of the LAT newsroom soon won’t have a job.
http://www.poynter.org/news/me.....s-buyouts/
Keep rockin’, RR.
Q: What’s the difference between a robot journalist and Goldy?
A: The robot can be programmed to include both sides of an issue.
@4 & @5: I was a journalist before I became a lawyer, and as an emeritus member of that noble profession, I feel the disdain for overpaid doctors that you exude toward underpaid and unemployed journalists. I’m sure you did your best over the years to bring down the news business. Keeping people informed of the world around them was always a tough sell. Some people are happier if they stay ignorant.
@5 I’m tired of that old false balance argument. If you talk about the earth being round, you have to include flat earthers, to be “balanced”.
You can’t talk about climate change, without being “balanced” by including a science denier.
You can’t talk about evolution without being “balanced” by including a creationist.
You can’t talk about supporting workers without being “balanced” by including a cheap labor republican.
@ 6
I exude overpaid doctors, journalist?
Shades of Wall Street! Who could’ve guessed that people running fantasy sports betting companies would rig the game in their own favor? I wonder why so many rubes thought they had a chance to win.
http://money.cnn.com/2015/10/0.....=obnetwork
@ 7
And it used to not be possible to talk about job losses following a minimum wage increase without you wondering if it was a Corporate Lie, Better.
Not all balance is false. The trick is to know which is and which isn’t.
Goldy, of course, avoids challenging his readers with having to learn that distinction, by providing zero balance in what he writes.
You drink the sand, Better, because you don’t know the difference.
@8 That’s not what I said, but since you bring it up, you can’t be spending much time on medicine, as you’re obviously busy with other things.
@ 9
I wonder why so many rubes thought they had a chance to win.
Spewed by the guy who treats the stock market like it’s a Daily Double.
Anyone else notice that the first thing bob does in the morning is post why Goldie is wrong?
You think a person would have a better mission in life.
@12 I’m one of the thieves, not one of the suckers. I simply do it on an amateur basis. It works about the same. For some strange reason, you seem to think Wall Street’s rigged game is a lottery, which I guess is more proof of how ignorant you are. By definition, a rigged game is not a lottery.
@ 13
I’m hoping Goldy notices, Better. Maybe you can ask him why restaurant license increases demonstrate the validity of a minimum wage increase in Seattle while hotel worker job losses after a minimum wage increase in Los Angeles don’t deserve a mention by him.
Or would that be “false balance” for him to include a possible counterpoint to his argument, Better?
@13 See #11 and preceding references to overpaid and underworked doctors who spend all their time posting on liberal political blogs.
@15 Are you serious? Why would Goldy notice your squeaking? He doesn’t have time to worry about mice under the kitchen sink.
Anyone else notice that no one accuses me of being a paid troll anymore?
@18 Funny you should mention that, because just 5 minutes ago, I was thinking of posting something about doctors who get paid by Medicare for posting on HA. (Either that or you have no income, because you’re obviously not doing anything else.) I’m not a doctor, so I do it for free, but that’s not a problem because being a capitalist doesn’t require any of my time. I can rake in money while asleep, and often do.
@ 17
He’s noticed before (#5 in @1, and here
http://horsesass.org/15-minimu.....ord-price/
are examples), RR.
We used to have some nice discussions.
I just think that a guy who wrote this:
I can only conclude one of two things. Either paying hotel housekeepers and other low-wage workers $15 an hour won’t squeeze all the profits out of Seattle’s labor-intensive hotel industry, or all the smart capitalists investing hundreds of millions of dollars into our soon-to-be-living-wage hotel industry are in fact incredibly stupid.
(the full link in this comment)
might have something to say about an article like this:
Troubling Signs of Minimum Wage Damage in Los Angeles
https://www.economy.com/dismal/analysis/datapoints/256050/Troubling-Signs-of-Minimum-Wage-Damage-in-Los-Angeles/
You and I are two peas of a pod, Bickle. We’re the new idle rich. We represent the future of work.
@ 21
Yes, I am sure that anyone reading this thread would have difficulty telling us apart.
Idiot.
@20 “There are, of course, a lot of reasons for caution here. Data from the more exhaustive QCEW survey suggests the decline in job growth in accommodations is overstated in the data I use here … some of the job losses may be revised away in the future …. Another reason to be cautious is that the employment effects are showing up after the hike passed but before it takes effect. … Finally, the hotel minimum wage hike is only affecting the City of Los Angeles, and this data is for the larger county of Los Angeles. … Overall, the caveats here are significant, and despite the stark and significant decline in employment, the data should be considered just very suggestive at this point.” (From your link.)
Hmmm, yeah, all these caveats plus he completely fails to mention that the decline in LA-area hotel employment, if there actually is one, could be due to unrelated factors such as a slowing economy impacting tourism.
Another piece of evidence for the theorem that the moon is made of green cheese.
@22 “Idiot.”
Like I said, two peas. Whatever I am, so are you, although I’m at a loss to understand how anyone with rackets like ours can honestly be called idiots. I’ve made $10,500 yesterday and so far today as a capitalist; how are you doing as a doctor?
Does anyone else get a sense that Boob feels insulted by my comment @21? I meant it as a compliment, as one grifter to another.
Breaking News — Police SWAT teams are swarming a Pennsylvania community college campus after reports of a man with a gun threatening a student.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/po.....y-college/
Both his novelty and popularity appear to be wearing thin, and some journalists are already starting to wonder when Trump will call it quits.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/06/.....index.html
Roger Rabbit Commentary: Two high profile NRPT (not-ready-for-prime-time) candidates are already gone, and although Amateur Hour is still on the air, reality is bound to play a larger role as we approach the time when people begin voting.
Trump is the ultimate fantasy player: Putin and Khomeini caving in without taking military action against them, jawboning the economy into higher gear, etc. Trump’s tax scheme, as much as we’ve seen of it, exemplifies his entire approach. There’s nothing original in it, and it incorporates nearly every Republican myth and shibboleth there is — promising to cut taxes and deficits at the same time, etc. — with its only distinguishing feature the amount of bombast accompanying it. Trump’s only talent is making absurd promises sound plausible through clever use of his well-honed carnival barker skills. The whole thing is a sham, and when people figure that out, he’ll be gone.
What it looks like when religious nutjobs are reduced to gnashing their teeth and blubbering helplessly.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/06/.....index.html
Rabbit, your lack of deference to bob’s perception of wisdom and superiority and wealth does seem to challenge bob’s sense of authority and importance and that seems to bother him.
It’s like with Goldie. bob seems quite indignant that Goldie won’t accept the the obvious wisdom’s from those (like bob) who are superior to Goldie, about the foolishness of paying living wages to workers.
“Arwood said the 11 year old boy asked from an open window if he could see the victim’s puppy. When the 8 year old girl laughed and said “no,” the suspect allegedly shot her.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bo.....lds-death/
I would like the NRA to tell me how a good person with a gun could have prevented this?
I have to amend my list. I want reasonable gun regulations to do more to keep guns out of the hands of crazy people, criminals and children, so they cannot harm me and my family.
@31
Was just going to post that. No charges against the parents naturally. “It’s our God Given Right to leave a shotgun where an 11 year-old can get to it. He might have to defend the homestead someday when no one else is around.”
Here’s the story from the BBC just for perspective on why the World thinks we’re nuts. And I’m Proud to be an American…Where at least I can be freeeeeeeee”
The Beeb added this nugget
God Bless ‘Murkah!
@32,
Well, it’s like this, see.
If the boy’s father hadn’t been hindered in amassing his freedom dream arsenal by Hollywood Liberals, Lesbian Preverts and Obummer Commies, then by the time the boy had sorted through all his options, the little girl would have gotten away.
@4 For all the pissing and moaning from some of us hereabouts about Frank Blethen, he’s a candidate for journalistic sainthood compared to Sam Zell.
I suppose it was inevitable that righty propagandists would photoshop the Oregon shooter to make him look white, then claim that CNN photoshopped the Oregon shooter to make him look white.
http://m.snopes.com/cnn-altere.....a-shooter/
@30 Nah, I think his psychology is simpler and more basic; I think getting kicked around by a rabbit just makes him feel insecure.
@32 Meanwhile, in Milwaukee, a couple of cops are trying to sue the gun shop that sold the gun to the perp who shot them with it. Wonder if the NRA crowd is giving these cops their unbridled support?
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mi.....egligence/
Where’s Cut-and-Run Boob? He vanished at 8:30 am after my last smackdown and hasn’t been heard from since.
@13
“Anyone else notice that the first thing bob does in the morning is post why Goldie is wrong? You think a person would have a better mission in life.”
Yes, I’ve noticed. I’ve also notice nothing Bob posts contributes in anyway to the well being of society.
Now that South Carolina is literally underwater, this might be a good time to remind folks that Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) voted against Hurricance Sandy relief.
He’s hardly unique, in fact, he’s a prototypical Republican, summed up by a Daily Kos writer thusly:
“There is something about disasters that brings out the absolute worst—or really, the absolute truth—about Republican ideology. If it happens to their own state or district, they run straight to Washington to ask for help. If it happens somewhere else, though, fuck ’em—they’re on they’re own. Republicans should be embarrassed both by their inhumanity toward their fellow citizens and the shameless reversals they readily make whenever their own constituents are in need, but they never will be. This is all part of a long tradition of naked hypocrisy that’s coded deep into the GOP DNA.”
Graham no doubt will now go begging to President Socialist and Congress for federal emergency aid for his states, and well he should, because his constituents need and deserve our help. But the situation is a bit reminiscent of another failed GOP presidential candidate, Rick Perry, who eviscerated his state’s firefighting budget and then went running to President Socialist for a federal bailout when his state was burning up from wildfires.
These guys only hate Big Government until their states need federal money. Then you see the tin cups come out.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/.....tail=email
In Carlsbad, New Mexico, four cops beat up a mom in front of her young kids in retaliation for her complaining to the police department about a vulgar cop using expletives in front of her young kids. Needless to say, they also charged her with assaulting the cops who beat her up, but the DA refused to prosecute those charges.
It’s the usual deal — she’s suing the city, there’ll be a legal settlement, taxpayers will pay for it, and the abusive cops will keep their jobs and pensions.
It isn’t the BLM protests that are destroying the credibility and legitimacy of America’s police. Bully cops, and the police profession’s refusal to control or discipline them, are doing that all by themselves.
You know there’s a problem when ordinary law-abiding citizens are more afraid of the police than criminals.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/.....tail=email
Carly Fiorina caught in another lie.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/.....tail=email
Picking apart the psychology of mass shooters. (Have you noticed they’re all machismo-challenged males?)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/.....tail=email
American Apparel filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy.
Why does this matter? It manufactures clothing in the US, and half of the employees are in LA.
That’s the LA that just increased its minimum wage.
Lessee, if increasing restaurant counts in Seattle mean that the substantial increases in minimum wage here are sound, what does that mean when the largest clothing manufacturer in LA has to cut and run?
Can American Apparel really stay in LA?
http://www.latimes.com/busines.....story.html
You’d think a former Rhodes Scholar would hold great promise as a future leader. But Bobby Jindal is merely shrill and immature. What a disappointment he must be to his parents and teachers.
http://www.motherjones.com/moj.....ural-decay
@44 Oh my, what a tour de force of cause-and-effect logic: American Apparel was driven into bankruptcy by a minimum wage that takes effect in 2020. Meanwhile, Doctor Boob’s prescription for reviving the U.S. economy is $70-a-month sweatshop jobs.
@44 Where is the link where American Apparel says the raise in minimum wage is what finished them?
Hey, remember that time Dr. Ben Carson stepped up and volunteered to serve in the US military in Vietnam or Granada or Lebanon or Kuwait or Kosovo or Somalia or Afghanistan or Iraq to demonstrate his courage and principals in the face of mortal danger?
Me neither!
So Carson and his dimwitted supporters can STFU now.
http://bit.ly/1OiXYEu
I see that the batshit crazy loon is saying crazy things to himself on the open thread. So be it. That thread, this thread and all threads end tomorrow, so post your comments while you still can, batshit crazy or not.
“Christian group says the world will be permanently ‘annihilated’ on Wednesday”
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/1.....wednesday/
Do you think bob READ the article he linked to?
“American Apparel workers used to earn an average of about $12 an hour, but many have said that slowing production has pushed down their pay to about California’s minimum wage of $9 an hour.
However, that pay still vastly outstrips the minimum wages of workers in countries with a heavy garment manufacturing industry. Indonesia, Vietnam and Bangladesh all have monthly minimum wages that can go as low as about $70, according to the International Labor Organization.”
>> Does bob think that it’s realistic for Americans to compete on wages of $70 a month? How would they pay his doctor bills? Is he willing to pay a lot more in taxes to make the difference in the safety net costs?
“After that immigration audit American Apparel had to scramble to replace inexpensive, experienced employees with expensive, inexperienced employees,”
>> Duhhh!
Teenagers and twentysomethings — American Apparel’s core demographic — simply don’t differentiate between products made in the U.S. and made elsewhere, analysts said. More important to them is the price and quality of the garment.
“Millennials are having a hard time getting a job,” said Lloyd Greif, chief executive of Los Angeles investment banking firm Greif & Co. “The last thing they are worried about is, ‘Hey, I want to pay $10 or $20 more for a garment that’s made in America.'”
>> I wonder how many Millennials are dealing with wages that bob wants to have businesses pay them. If people don’t have disposable income, they cannot buy things, and the economy crashes.
@44
Wow, that’s amazing. American Apparel has been on the financial ropes since 2010 but hung on through Dov Charmey’s legal issues posting not disastrous losses. But five years of losses is TOTALLY because of a not yet existing minimum wage hike.
http://ycharts.com/companies/APP/profit_margin
I suppose you think Edsel Died because of social security.
New Coke would have killed if it hadn’t been for Unions.
Flight attendants killed PanAm with you know salaries and stealing packet if peanuts.
Ummm checkmate just threw up something without validating it as always @32… The 559 children 11 and under killed in 2015 includes
Incident Date State City Or County Address # Killed # Injured
October 1, 2015 Oregon Roseburg 1140 Umpqua College Rd 10 9
So the 18 & 19 and 30, 44 and 59 year olds are children checkmate?
And their public data set is limited to Mother’s Day Sunday May 10th. Puddy went to look at some child murders earlier this year in Chicago and the data stopped before their “tabulations”?
Waytogo libtardo!
Triple S is babbling to himself again. Seems anything written in raw story is gospel for Triple S.
That triple pressure is getting to him!
Wrong about the cop and KKK
Wrong about the Oregon shooter being a Republican
Now gloms onto this! HAHAHAHAHAHA!
I see the loon is still batshit insane. Figures. Always is.
@52
Gee Piddles. Glad to know I’m so under you’re skin that you will violate your own sacred rules. (false witness? no something simpler.)
Got a link?
I quoted the BBC article linked. Given the very tight libel and slander laws and the Beeb’s well deserved reputation for journalistic ethics, I’ll take their fact checkers over your, let’s be honest, seemingly drunken ramblings about Mother’s Day and the ability of a group that tracks gunshot wounds to not confuse people 11 and younger with all gunshot victems and not include data from a recent college campus shooting where people were all over 11 with people 11 and under.
The drunk seeming and largely incoherent tonight Piddles would have us believe that it’s all a lie. “When they say under 11, they mean under 11 and a bunch of people over 11 because, something something, I heard it on infowars that they meant all people and not just under 11 because something and i would never lie becuase I am Piddles and lying is a sin and by the way, where’s the link czechmate?”
And the implication of your objection Piddles? I’m so under your skin that you think an 11 year old taking mom’s or dad’s shotgun and killing an 8 year old neighbor is just something we should live with in America because freedom. Have fun justifying that to you lord and savior come judgement day which you keep saying you really believe is a real thing.
“HAHAHAHAHAHA!”
The psycho-laugh. Hmm, not a good sign.
“Seems anything written in raw story is gospel”
Facts to a batshit crazy loon are like sunshine to a vampire – heads explode.
Good thing I checked in this morning. Just before going to bed Boob kind of had me worried, but of course wrong as always, always counting chickens before they hatch, usually only global warming scientists do that and Boob isn’t a scientist.
And unfortunately I had to read or skip over two of Puffys posts. But timing is everything because I’m on the shitter and was time for home to exit my ass again.
This is funny,
Gun nut bingo card
https://twitter.com/BobbyBigWheel/status/471020006507941888/photo/1
Bill O’Reilly Denies The Existence Of Child Hunger: “It’s A Total Lie”
O’Reilly: “You Are Telling Me That You Believe In The United States Of America … There Are Urchins Running Around That Don’t Have Any Food Because Of The System?”
http://mediamatters.org/video/.....ung/205998
Classic one drop argument. Because there is a poor person somewhere with a computer or has a big screen TV or has a car or has air conditioning, the whole program is a sham and should be eliminated.
Personally I think this is a preemptive argument to demonize the poor and gut the social safety nets before automation puts 50% of people out of work and the remaining people with jobs and corporations with robots have to pay a lot more taxes so the rest don’t starve.
That was so cute. The Campbell soup commercial where the little boy has his two dads doing really bad Darth Vader “I am your father” imitations as they feed him Star Wars soup!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....a355ad6298
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rZOMY2sOnE
Don’t read the you tube comments, there are some amazingly hate and anger filled trolls out there. I wonder how many of them call themselves christian? Not a lot of love in those posts.
“Don’t read the you tube comments, there are some amazingly hate and anger filled trolls out there.”
Eh, I read them. LIke our batshit crazy loon, they long to see America ruled by a Hitler-like ruler with an iron fist so they can finally see the hated gays, Jews and others experiencing “the rope” – the mass extermination of “the other” which plagues white America.
If the batshit crazy loon could “speak American”, we’d be reading the exact same hate-filled shit here in these threads. But underneath the babbling jackass’s gibberish is the exact same message – a call for the mass extermination of FASCIST SOCIALIST NAZI COMMIE DUMMOCRETIN scum.
@61 and @62 – the Right wing sees two gay dads as more of a problem than killing twenty something grade school kids or ten college level kids.
They’d prefer if the parents or one of the parents was a child molester like the Duggar boy and others, oh unless it is two gay people of course that is.
You think they have any love in them – are they Christians? No, just a bunch of fucking Nazis….and I didn’t have to read any comments to come to that conclusion. It’s been evident for the last 5-6 years.
Republicans see nothing risky about dads leaving loaded 12 gauge shotguns lying around their unattended adolescents. Or encouraging their adolescent children to go “Rock ‘n Roll” at the gun range, killing the instructor. That’s FREEDOM, and HERITAGE, and some other cowboy bullshit.
To Republicans what’s risky is two dads loving each other and their little boy. Love scares the shit out of them.