Drinking Liberally — Seattle

DLBottlePlease join us tonight for an evening of politics over a pint at the Seattle Chapter of Drinking Liberally.

We meet every Tuesday at the Montlake Ale House, 2307 24th Avenue E. Starting time is 8:00pm. Some people show up earlier for Dinner.

Can’t make it to Seattle’s DL tonight? Check out one of the other DL meetings over the next week. The Tri-Cities chapter also meets tonight. And on Monday, the Aberdeen, Yakima, South Bellevue and Olympia chapters meet.

With over 200 chapters of Living Liberally, including fourteen in Washington state, four in Oregon, and two more in Idaho, chances are excellent there’s a chapter that meets near you.


  1. 2

    Deathfrogg spews:


    Ronald and Nancy Reagan go into a restaurant. They are seated in a nice corner table.
    The waiter come up to them and asks: “What would you like this evening?”
    Nancy Reagan says: “I think we’ll have the beef wellington.”
    the waiter then asks: “And the Vegetable?”
    Nancy: “Oh, he’ll be having the same thing.”

  2. 4

    Gman spews:

    Did anyone see the story of a Pennsylvania man who was coach of his daughters softball team, he is accused of having sex with the daughters best friend who was also on the team. The sexcapades go back to as early as when the girl was 13. This guy was married with two children.

    I think this is what Republicans refer to as Family Values.

  3. 6

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    The local conservative talk radio host was railing against the injustice of a long term musician being fired from Nordstrom after 20 years.

    Turns out the musician was a immigrant christian with 10 kids. Because that’s the profile of the conservative Christian audience, now it’s outrage. If it had been a lesbian union employee being fired, he would have been on the side of the corporation.

    The store was going to use recorded music that was cheaper and more controllable. The store let him probably to increase profitability. Why does the store owe this guy anything? Isn’t that the essence of capitalism? If the manager found the store could make more profit without the musician, isn’t he required by the shareholders to fire the musician? Why is the musician owed a job?

    Typical Republican Hypocrisy.

  4. 7


    @ 6

    Interesting thing about those 10 children:

    He lists those 10 children by their accomplishments: a project engineer for the state Department of Transportation, a chief petty officer in the U.S. Navy, a nurse, two teachers, a GIS technician for the City of Seattle, a soon-to-graduate law student, two college students and a junior at Bellarmine Prep.

    Read more here: http://www.thenewstribune.com/.....rylink=cpy

    ‘…profile of the conservative…’, indeed. One whose children are raised to succeed.

    Thanks, NTfF!

  5. 8

    rhp6033 spews:

    # 7: Well, let’s go over that list a bit:

    a. “…a project engineer for the state Department of Transportation…” (in conservative terms, an overpaid civil servant sucking on the taxpayer’s teat);

    b. “…a chief petty officer in the U.S. Navy…” (according to conservatives an honored veteran, unless they happen to disagree with them, in which case they are castigated as being disloyal, gay, etc…:

    c. “…a nurse…” (if working in a public hospital or taxpayer-subsidized hospital, another overpaid union thug and leach on the taxpayers, according to Conservative philosophy),

    d. “…two teachers…”(recipients of government largess in the terms of federally grants or subsidized student loans, then Union thugs sucking off the taxpayer teat, according to Conservitive rantings),

    e. “…a GIS technician for the City of Seattle…” (see “a.” above)

    f. “…a soon-to-graduate law student… (another recipient of taxpayer-supported federal student grants and loans),

    g. “…two college students”… (see “f”, above),

    h. “…and a junior at Bellarmine Prep….” (probably the only non-governmental & taxpayer-supported child among them).

    Funny how the Conservatives work hard at cutting middle-class government programs, while bragging about their use of them for their own children. I’m not saying this pianist wants the programs reduced or eliminated himself – but the conservatives who are advocating his cause sure do.

  6. 9

    rhp6033 spews:

    # 7: Admit it – the middle-class Republican families fail (those that are left) are in direct conflict between what is best for their families and Republican/Conservative ideology.

    That’s why the Republicans who were meeting for a strategy session last week had so much trouble in revising their strategy – they wanted to keep their “theology” of low taxes for the ultra-rich, anti-immigration, cut benefits to the middle class and poor, etc., but at the same time win a national election. They decided to try a new P.R. effort instead, and give in a bit on immigration reform (in order to win over those pesky Hispanics who tend to vote for Democrats).

  7. 10

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    @7 I’m sure that the musician is a great person and it’s a shame he lost his job. I hope he finds a replacement one. I admire that he has raised employable kids.

    What I object to, and you did not comment about, is that the talk show host is a staunch defender of capitalism. Capitalism does not care less about the musician kids or what a great person he is. What matters is profitability. Why are you letting the host get a pass for NOT advocating for profitability in THIS case?

    The host rails against “socialism”, but in this case, he argues the corporation should keep this less profitable person on the payroll. Apparently he should get special treatment because he’s an older, immigrant, christian family man. He’s not helping share holder value, in fact, he’s the fat that should be cut.

    Why isn’t the host bragging about pointless fat being cut from the corporate bottom line? That it’s capitalism at it’s finest.

  8. 11


    two teachers

    Whose income Bob’s ilk can’t wish go to zero quickly enough… Large class sizes? Huh? Life’s tough..

    “Jawb kweatohs” need tax cuts.

  9. 13

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Mass Shooting Of The Day (TM)

    Three people have been shot at a Phoenix office complex. The shooter fled and is being sought by police. The wingnuts’ solution to this sort of thing is put more guns on the street.

  10. 14

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wayne LaPierre would have us believe the only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. He forget to mention kill ratio. In most wars, it’s around 1:1 in infantry combat, meaning for every bad guy killed a good guy is killed. In WW1 the Germans achieved a 1.3:1 kill ratio, an edge that nearly won the war for them. I’m just sayin’. If people want to think the way to stop shootings is with more guns and more shooting, they should be prepared to take casualties. Because there will be casualties on their side, too. Shooters have a habit of shooting back.

  11. 15


    13 – Guns in the schools, everyone packing heat..

    guns, guns, guns… controlling women’s bodies, cutting taxes on the rich, rigging the electoral college, and now RAISING taxes on the poor, – oh it’s ok all they have to do is not buy anything…

    Crazy austerity policies that cause recessions.. See the UK for that..

    The right wing is INSANE. When will people wake up and take away their power for good?

  12. 16

    Gman spews:

    I wonder whether that PA Family Man coach considers himself to be conservative. My bet is he voted for Mitt Robme.

  13. 17

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    In Texas, a female cop who performed non-consensual cavity searches in public view of a female littering suspect and her niece will be fired. Her male partner is suspended pending investigation and disciplinary proceedings. The victims are suing for actual and exemplary damages.


    Roger Rabbit Commentary: In this case, as in nearly all police-misbehavior cases, the police agency conducted an initial investigation that was nothing more than a coverup and whitewash. These cops were caught by their own dash camera. As always, the taxpayers are on the hook for whatever the lawsuit is going to cost the state, which probably is a lot.

    Police have extraordinary power over the lives of ordinary citizens. They can literally kill you, if you don’t obey their commands. Police simply must respect constitutional rights and adhere to department policies about treatment of suspects and citizens. If they can’t or won’t do that, they have no business being cops.

  14. 18


    @ 14

    Hey, RR, what was the ratio in Iraq?

    As long as you’re going to quote WWII data as relevant, you might as well use some Civil War data as well. You know, you aren’t accounting for technological improvements over the 70 years between WWII and Iraq, so I figure you don’t need to account for whatever improvements occurred in the 80 years between the Civil War and WWII.

    Have at it. It will increase the statistical power of your argument.

  15. 19

    Gman spews:

    @14 – when does a “Responsible” gun owner become “Irresponsible”? Just give him some time to pull the trigger. All these “Responsible” gun owners eventually become Irresponsible – just a matter of time. They either go nuts and turn the gun on strangers or their family or themselves. Let’s do a study and see how these perpetrators would be classified prior to them killing someone.

  16. 21

    Gman spews:

    @17 – we should make police responsible for police, take the money for the lawsuits out of their union dues and pay.

  17. 22

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @18 The 1:1 ratio has held pretty steady for 4,000 years. Maybe the reason is that when good guys get assault rifles, bad guys get them, too. The L.A. and Chicago gangs aren’t using Civil War muzzleloaders or WW1 Enfields.

  18. 24

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Re the video about the Nevada Repuglican who voed twice “to prove how easy it is”: I guess those Repuglican billboards about going to jail for voting fraud weren’t true, huh? She got only a fine and community service. And her candidate lost anyway.

  19. 25

    ArtFart spews:

    @10, Keep in mind we’re talking about Nordstrom’s. One might have expected the host to direct his rant more at the erosion of amenities in a store whose target demographic is the wealthy–and which over the years has become more so. (Heck, I bought my shoes there for decades. Now I can’t even afford their socks.)

  20. 27

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    Gee, Serial “Won’t pay his debts and has gay issues” Conn, where is your spirited defense of Capitalism, and advocating the firing of the dead weight musician that was cutting into Nordstrom store profit margins and share holder values?

    Cause if this guy deserves to keep his job, when he’s a drag on the bottom line, there are a whole lot of other people who also deserve to get or have kept their jobs too.

    Care to comment? Care to be consistent?

  21. 28


    @ 27

    He says he’d like to play El Gaucho. They have Power Hour there all night on Su and Mo. The steak sandwich and awesome burger aren’t part of it any more, alas.

    If he plays there I’ll hit the tip jar.

    I wish they’d dispense with the background computerized music accompaniment they use there. A good pianist doesn’t need that help.

  22. 29

    rhp6033 spews:

    # 22: I was just reading a debate about the Civil War casualty statistics, and what they might mean. If you are referring to KIA, then there were more Union dead than Confederate. Some were arguing that this proved the “superiority” of the average Confederate soldier. But when considering the size of each force, the ratios pretty much equal out – you had just as good a chance of becoming KIA in the Confederate army as you did in the Union army.

    But both were eclipsed by the losses due to disease, accident, etc. If you look at the number of officers being dismissed for physical inability to perform their duties, it is pretty high – campaigning during those days was an arduous physical task, and lots came into the armies with a variety of ailments which made them unsuited for the task. You can follow this easier on the Confederate side by their tendency to name units after their commanders.

  23. 30

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    @28. Again, as usual, you avoid answering the direct question.

    Why aren’t you railing against that talk show host trying to keep him at his job, calling for special treatment and protection of that worker against the heartless logical bottom line of capitalism?

    If that had been a union trying to keep him at his job, you would have been raving about “protectionism” or some such nonsense.

  24. 31

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    The crazy gunman holding a boy hostage in Alabama after shooting a school bus driver was on Southern Poverty Law Center’s “hatewatch” radar before this happened. SPLC says he’s a paranoid government-hating survivalist. The “right” of such people to have guns is what the NRA is determined to protect at any cost of innocent lives.

  25. 32


    @ 30

    You summarize what you think you heard on the radio when you’re driving to work or taking your morning dump, and I’m supposed to respond as if your summary is accurate?

    Go find a transcript with a link. Then make demands of me.

  26. 33

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    @32. Riiigghhhht…..
    You post links about the musician. You followed the story enough to find out he’s got an offer to play at a restaurants. But you know nothing about this.
    If you heard the show, I cannot prove it and I do not have access to the transcript or audio file, so your claim of ignorance stands.
    You couldn’t possibly figure out the point I was trying to make.

  27. 34

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    The Ed Show
    Just 8 days after performing at President Barack Obama’s inaugural parade, honor student Hadiya Pendleton, 15, was shot and killed in Chicago when a gunman opened fire on her and a group of friends just blocks from her school. http://on.msnbc.com/WBS7N5

    But according to SerialConn, we don’t talk about shootings in Chicago.

    What I’m wondering is why there aren’t more HA threads that bemoan gun violence in Chicago, a city in which more than 500 murders occurred last year.

    I will march with SerialConn to enact National gun regulations to help stop violence in Chicago, because of how much he cares so deeply about those dying in Chicago.

  28. 35

    Expat(!)Chad spews:

    Somebody said he practices radiology?

    Surgeons know nothing and do everything,
    Internists know everything and do nothing.
    Pathologists know everything and do everything, but too late,

    and radiologists sit around all day looking at pictures.

    Whaddya want?

  29. 37


    For some reason, we’ve heard an awful lot about Chris Hughes in the last week or so. An awful lot. He’s acquired The New Republic, which makes him the next Tina Brown or some shit.

    Anyway, maybe he should consider raising the editorial bar at TNR just a little bit after this:

    Mag Pushes Fake Picture of Obama Skeet Shooting
    Then deletes it.


    Follow the link and actually look at the web page on which the photoshopped photo exists. Look at the web page. Did TNR really think that was a credible source?


  30. 38


    Some Unions Grow Wary of Health Law They Backed
    Union leaders say many of the law’s requirements will drive up the costs for their health-care plans and make unionized workers less competitive. Among other things, the law eliminates the caps on medical benefits and prescription drugs used as cost-containment measures in many health-care plans.


    ’cause what private-sector unions need most right now is to appear even less competitive.

    They deserve the government they supported.

    They deserve it good, and hard, and well beyond the time that they start to bleed from it.