Drinking Liberally — Seattle


Please join us tonight for an evening of politics and conversation over a pint at the Seattle Chapter of Drinking Liberally.

Also, if your name is Barack, and you happen to be in Seattle for the night, don’t be shy about an unscheduled visit…. I mean, dude, it wouldn’t be the first time a (former) presidential candidate dropped in on us unannounced (Gen. Welsey Clark).

We meet every Tuesday at the Montlake Ale House, 2307 24th Avenue E. Starting time is 8:00pm. Some people show up earlier for Dinner.

Can’t make it to Seattle tonight? Check out one of the other DL meetings over the next week. The Tri-Cities chapter meets tonight, the Burien chapter meets on Wednesday, and the Woodinville chapter meets on Thursday.

With 230 chapters of Living Liberally, including twelve in Washington state and four in both Oregon and Idaho, chances are excellent there’s a chapter near you.


  1. 1

    Steve spews:

    Over on the 7/24 thread, idiots Bob and Ev were whing about Solyndra. Again.

    They didn’t want to recall the Iraq War, back when the same neocons lurking behind Romney now decided then that it was a good idea to start a war against a country that didn’t attack us on 9/11. They didn’t want to discuss the pallet of our money, $8,000,000,000 or so, that disappeared and was never accounted for. Lost. In a foreign land full of terrorists.

    Their side losing 8 billion in cash apparently doesn’t bother them 16 times more than does Solyndra. In fact, they’re not bothered by it at all. I didn’t think they would be.

  2. 2

    Steve spews:

    Wingnuts stipulate that there is no history of voter fraud in Pennsylvania, no threat of voter fraud.


    What wingnuts like Bob won’t admit? That they intend to use voter ID to end the democratic process by preventing blacks, hispanics, the poor, the young and the old from voting for Democrats. The right-wing extremists who are today’s Republican party are willing to bring an end to democracy to quench their insatiable quest for power and control.

  3. 3


    LMAO!!! Dagnabit! Those Republicans in the House have passed 32 job bills that they claim are languishing in the Senate..

    Only there’s a problem with those bills..

    They don’t create jobs..

    “A lot of these things are laughable in terms of a jobs plan that would produce noticeable improvements across the country in the availability of employment in the next four or five years,” said Gary Burtless, a senior economist at Brookings. “Even in the long run, if they have any effect all, it would be extremely marginal, relative to the jobs deficit we currently have.”

    Mark Zandi, the chief economist at Moody’s Analytics, agreed that the bills would have almost no effect on job creation in the short term, though he was slightly more optimistic about their long-term prospects.


    So what good are they? Well they kill people for one:

    Indeed, environmental advocates argue that many of the GOP proposals are more likely to kill people than create jobs.

    “It won’t save them jobs, it won’t even save them that much money, but it is going to cause illnesses, deaths, more hospital stays or days lost because of illness,” said Scott Slesinger, legislative director for the Natural Resources Defense Council. “That’s why we have all these environmental laws.”

  4. 4

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Tomorrow, Republican senators will get a chance to help the economy by voting for middle class tax relief and deficit reduction, but it won’t pass because the GOP is holding out for a trillion dollars of tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires.

  5. 6

    Steve spews:

    Lib Sci keeps asking Bob to name five ways in which a Romney presidency would be good for America. After probably a month, Bob still fails to answer this very simple question that’s been put to him.

    There’s a reason for that failure. Bob fails to answer because there is no acceptable answer. A Romney presidency would be a disaster for America. At least for the America we’ve known. But not for the America they want to see take its place.

  6. 8


    Advisors to Mitt Romney‘s presidential campaign told British newspaper The Daily Telegraph that Romney would be a better president regarding relations between Britain and the United States because he understands the “special relationship” between the two countries, claiming President Obama does not “fully appreciate” the two country’s shared history and the United States’ “Anglo-Saxon heritage.”



  7. 9

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    3. I pointed a lot of the fake jobs bills to Bob but for some reason he didn’t seem to notice them.

  8. 10

    ev spews:

    The more Context you get on the obama quote, the more offensive and worse it gets..especially when you look at obama’s anti-business/pro big government record the past 4 years.

    Here’s what Obama said.

    “If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.”
    Republicans have nevertheless taken issue with the context of Obama’s comment, not just the “you didn’t build that” line.
    “The context is worse than the quote,” Romney told CNBC.

    Voters will be the judge. obama waited almost a week to try to conjure up some other lameass explanation of what he meant. What a gift to R’s.!!! Basically this quote, along with obama’s anti-business, big wasteful government record will be the drumbeat until November.
    Obama is so f*****G arrogant. Without a teleprompter, obama is his own worst enemy.

  9. 11

    ev spews:

    ylb @3–
    Government and bills need to create an environment in which business can flourish. That is the way to create sustainable jobs. You leftist idiots seems to think government needs to actually create the jobs. That was what the Soviet Union tried. That’s what China tried. And that’s what Europe drifted off to.
    Your comment shows the difference between R’s and D’s about the role of government. It shouldn’t be that important.

  10. 13

    rhp6033 spews:

    # 8: Yep, it’s wingnut dog whistles, just another slightly disguised way of saying “In case you didn’t notice, the President is… BLACK.”

    But I should point out that most of us grew up with a U.S. history education which is skewed heavily in favor of the Anglo-Saxon migrations to America, and the movement of those settlers westward toward the Pacific. The contributions of other cultures or nations is largly ignored or confined to footnotes. For example, Germans settled upstate New York from the 1700’s, provided skilled tool-and-die makers which made the industrial revolution centered in Chicago in the mid-1800’s possible, and German farmers provided an example of non-slaveholding farmers throughout the frontier in the middle of the 1800’s, and quite a few troops to the Northern armies (the revolutions of 1848 in Europe helped push that migration to America).

    Likewise, the American Southwest was settled mostly with people of hispanic origin and culture up to the early 20th century, until a series of mysterious “courthouse fires” destroyed most of the original land deeds and and white takeover of their ranch and grazing lands.

    And, of course the Native American experience is another subject altogether. Most high school graduates are lucky if their books do little more than mention a few battles between American troops and Indian chieftans.

    I learned this when I was helping a Samoan lady who grew up in Hawaii study for an SAT test. The entire concept of the “western movement” was entirely foreign to her. But she knew an awful lot of detail about the colonization of the Pacific by competing colonial empires (Germany, Britain, France, Japan, the U.S., etc.).

  11. 14

    Steve spews:

    “Here is a start for you moran”

    There, I fixed it for you. And where is Bob, the HA Comma Cop, when one of his friends so desparately needs him?

    Few things are so pathetic as someone so damned stupid as Ev calling someone at least 10 times more intelligent than him a “moron”. It’s not even humorous. It’s just fucking cringe-inducing pathetic.

  12. 15

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    “Stagnant wages for the majority of U.S. households have more consumers curbing their spending …, according to a Bankrate.com survey released Wednesday. Inflation-adjusted median family income has declined about 6 percent since … 2000.”


    Roger Rabbit Commentary: Congratulations, cheap-labor conservatives! You broke the unions, pushed wages down, and put consumer spending into a permanent recession. What will you do for an encore? Melt the Greenland ice cap?

  13. 16

    rhp6033 spews:

    # 15: They are working on that last goal, as well.

    Perhaps the prospect of turning Greenland into a vast mining operation is behind their willful campaign against any effort to prevent or delay global warming.

  14. 17

    ArtFart spews:

    @14 Considering that Washington State’s best known “Moran” was a shipbuilding baron and war profiteer, if that’s the way “Ev” really meant to spell it, maybe he meant it as a compliment.

  15. 18

    Puddybud spews:

    “In case you didn’t notice, the President is… BLACK.”

    Gee rhpee6033 Morgan Freeman tends to disagree with you. And… I tend to trust Morgan Freeman waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay move than your silly ASS rhpee6033.

  16. 20

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    @18. Really? Really? some times the things you post are out there, even for you.
    From the actions of conservatives, the “one drop rule” trumps what ever Morgan Freeman things. Obama is a Black Man, cause he don’t look white.

  17. 21

    Puddybud spews:

    Good to see Dianne Feinstein received the Cory Booker treatment and now is waling back her comments.




  18. 22

    ev spews:

    Interesting that the Democrat Gallup Poll for MSNBC/WSJ reports this on one hand–

    Democrat enthusiasm way down and Republican up…then uses +11 Democrat in it’s polling sample. A reasonable person could believe Gallup is desperately trying to skew the results to bolster sniffling Dummocrats and try to suppress Republican’s. It’s ridiculous and points to the uselessness of Darryl’s analysis when this type of unjustifiable methodology is used. Garbage in==Garbage out.
    Right Darryl

    But wait…even Chuck Todd, MSNBC Democrat lacky admits the Gallup poll is skew today on Scarborough’s Show.
    What a joke.
    Obama is in deep trouble.
    Phony polls and phony analysis of the impact og obamacare and other economics isn’t doing any good.

    But keep grasping at straws.
    I heard a summary of all Obama’s anti-business comments the past 4 years. When you hear them in their entirety, you can only conclude Obama meant what he said–

    “If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.”
    Republicans have nevertheless taken issue with the context of Obama’s comment, not just the “you didn’t build that” line.
    “The context is worse than the quote,” Romney told CNBC.

  19. 23

    ev spews:

    ylb is 10 times more intelligent than I am??
    Let’s see, he hasn’t had a job in something like 8 years, stays at home pretending to be a Mr. Mom even though kids are in school while his wife supports his lazy ass.
    Is that your idea of intelligence Steve??
    Another difference between lefty’s and conservative’s.
    I call ylb a pathetic lazy fuck.
    You call him intelligent because he is such a slacker.

  20. 25


    Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney has said he had no active role in Bain Capital, the private equity firm he founded, after he exited in February 1999 to take over Salt Lake City’s Winter Olympics bid. But according to Bain associates and others familiar with Romney’s actions at the time, he stayed in regular contact with his partners over the following months, tending to his partnership interests and negotiating his separation from the company.


  21. 27


    And lookee here. It appears the right wing KLOWNS in the Congress want higher deficits too:

    On repeal: this is yet another reminder that the supposedly deficit-concerned Republican Party still hasn’t come to grips with what the Affordable Care Act actually does, either in health care policy or in terms of the federal budget. They just don’t want to accept that the Democratic health care reform bill was designed to lower the deficit — in part through extra taxes and fees, to be sure, but also to some extent through real cost savings. Either way, just flat-out repeal it and the deficit goes up.


    Don’t forget that Willard (R-Money)’s fantasy budget is “Raygun Rebooted” – higher defense spending and much lower taxes for the rich resulting in a “balanced” budget.. Heh.. The guy is such a shameless liar.

  22. 29


    23. ev spews:

    ylb is 10 times more intelligent than I am??
    Let’s see, he hasn’t had a job in something like 8 years, stays at home pretending to be a Mr. Mom even though kids are in school while his wife supports his lazy ass.
    Is that your idea of intelligence Steve??
    Another difference between lefty’s and conservative’s.
    I call ylb a pathetic lazy fuck.
    You call him intelligent because he is such a slacker.

    07/25/2012 at 11:54 am

    Fuck…everybody is more intelligent than this dumb fuck.

  23. 30


    In a Pennsylvania court filing, the state says it has never investigated claims of in-person voter fraud and so won’t argue that such fraud has occurred in the past. As a result, the state says, it has no evidence that the crime has ever been committed.

    The state also says it won’t present “any evidence or argument” that in-person voter fraud is likely to occur on Election Day if the voter ID law isn’t enacted.


    Then why did they pass this vote suppression law? Ooops I gave away part of the answer.

    The rest is that the right wingers are corrupting the system so Willard (R-Money) wins PA.

  24. 33

    ev spews:

    As the leftists blab on & on..I continue to find the deterioration and implosion of the dummocrap party to be humorous. This story especially–

    A Wisconsin state lawmaker this week quit the Democratic caucus in an apparent ideological huff and might even become an independent, threatening the hard-fought chamber majority the party achieved out of the raucous recall elections.
    State Sen. Tim Cullen quit the caucus Tuesday, saying he left because Majority Leader Mark Miller offered him only a “minimal” committee chairmanship. He said he would decide within a few weeks whether to become an independent.
    In an email to supporters, Cullen said Miller’s take-it-or-leave-it offer “made clear to me that (he) has no time for my independent ideas and my support of bipartisan solutions to the state’s problems.”
    “Sen. Miller’s decisions are an insult to me,” Cullen added. Miller has defended himself, claiming the committee post he offered Cullen — on small business and tourism — was indeed important.

    The dummocrap union thug bosses spend tens of million screwing around in Wisc..get their asses kicked, try to claim some minor victory in the Senate and even that now appears to be disappearing because of sheer arrogance on the part of dummocrap misleaders.

  25. 34

    ev spews:

    And this shows even clearer that the dummocraps are imploding–

    President Barack Obama is personally leading an all-out counterattack against the Republican assault over his “you didn’t build that” remark, hitting back in his stump speech and in a new television ad as the Democratic National Committee launches a state-by-state response. But that’s not because he’s worried about the Republican offensive, top strategist David Axelrod insisted on Wednesday.

    So obama ain’t worried according to the devil himself, david axelrod. Yet they spend millions on ads and obama is on the defensive. It’s laughable.
    obama needs more poor people who are dependent on government real quick to get re-elected.

  26. 35

    Serial conservative spews:

    I could point out that one of the Occupy idiots is pleading guilty to a terrorist act that will get him 15 to 20 AFTER he cooperates with the Feds by testifying against his fellow terrorists:


    but someone might ask me for statistical proof that terrorist behavior is more common in Occupy groups than in America in general. And I’d have to show my work.

    So I’ll just mention that a guy decided to attempt a terrorist act and by sheer coincidence he was an Occupy movement member, and was part of a group of other Occupy movement participants who by sheer coincidence also attempted a terrorist act.

    Happens all the time. Nothing unusual here. Move along, now.

  27. 36

    rhp6033 spews:

    # 35: You are trying to blame this on the Occupy folks? Or Democrats by implication?????

    You keep making stretches like that, you are going to tear a ligament or something. Leave that to the yoga instructors.

  28. 37

    rhp6033 spews:

    I wonder what EV, who daily predicts the demise of the Demoratic party, is going to do when the President wins re-election this November.

    My guess: He will dissapear from these boards, like so many others before him. They show up during election years only to leave their crap on these boards, and then slink away afterwards. Of course, by then their paychecks on a per-post basis may be bouncing. Or their parents cut off their internet priviledges because school is back in session, and their grades are bad.

  29. 38

    Very Severe Conservative spews:

    Serial Conservative you are so brilliant. Because Anthony Hayne, who looks dumb as a bag of hair, is slightly associated with the Cleveland Occupy movement , you can extend and stretch so that you can claim that the whole Occupy movement are a bunch of terrorists.
    I love your logic.
    It’s like saying Bob Smith wants to be a terrorist.
    Bob belongs the Springfield public library.
    People who read, go the Springfield public library.
    Therefore all people who read, are terrorists.
    You keep on your mission of muddying the public discourse with nonsense.

  30. 39

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Senate Passes Middle Class Tax Cuts

    The Senate voted today to extend tax cuts for the middle class. Every Republican senator voted against it, even as GOPers continue to seek massive tax breaks for billionaires and millionaires. The bill now goes to the GOP-controlled House, which also is expected to vote against tax cuts for wage earners.

  31. 40

    Serial conservative spews:

    # 35: You are trying to blame this on the Occupy folks? Or Democrats by implication?????

    Oh, please. One guy at a Tea Party rally holds up a sign saying something inappropriate and the whole gathering is tarred with it by the media and the left. One guy at a GOP primary debate yells ‘Booo!’ and the whole audience, and the debate participants, are lumped in with his act as being complicit.

    In this story, five guys who are Occupy participants are going to be convicted of attempted domestic terrorism.

    If I recall correctly, one of them signed a lease for a facility from which the Cleveland Occupy group worked.

    Yes, I do recall correctly:


    So, yeah, it’s part of the Occupy mentality, at least in that Cleveland franchise. I’ll make that allegation.

  32. 41

    rhp6033 spews:

    Interesting polling results: a new NBC/WSJ poll says that although negative campaigning had depressed BOTH candidates’s favorability ratings a bit, the President still holds a slightly larger lead among registered voters of 49% to 43%. In key battlegrounds states, the President maintains a consistent lead of about 8 points, from 49% to 41%.

    Commentators remarked that despite the events over the past month – the US Supreme Court ruling upholding the Affordable Care Act, the slow job recovery, and the fights over Romney’s record at Baine Capital and his tax returns, the numbers essentially remain unchanged. It appears that for most people, there minds were made up a long time ago, and little either candidate can do will change that between now and November.

    NBC/WSJ July Poll

  33. 42

    Very Severe Conservative spews:

    @40 That’s it. Put them on the defensive. Make them prove a negative.
    “Prove Occupy aren’t terrorists.”
    “Prove there aren’t WMD in Iraq”
    “Prove Bigfoot doesn’t exist!”

    It’s all good! Go go go! Make them squirm and sit back and change the subject!

  34. 43

    rhp6033 spews:

    Also in the news – just read an article about the economy and the Consumer Confidence numbers. Polling has indicated that most surveyed don’t fear losing their jobs, which is good news. What is negatively affecting consumer confidence, however, is poor wages and high debt loads, a lot of it incurred by people hit by the Bush rescession and are still struggling to recover from it’s after-affects.

    Also, the jobs numbers won’t increase because businesses are concerned about the possibility of massive budge cuts across the board unless Congress agrees to a reasonable compromise.

    In other words, if the Republicans would just agree to negotiate on the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, hiring would go up substantially. But because Republicans would prefer to see more American workers jobless as long as it makes the President look bad, they will continue to hold the American middle class hostage in their partison power grab.

  35. 44

    rhp6033 spews:

    You know, during the Great Depression, Hoover and the Republicans made lots of mistakes, but they were simply following the old strategies and genuingly had the best interest of the nation at heart. The strategies didn’t work, some were counter-productive. But at least they cared.

    The current Republicans, especially those in the House and Senate, are specifically trying to sabatoge the economic recovery of America for partison advantage. Even what they claim as “jobs bills” are nothing more than crass attempts to set aside decades worth of protective measures to ensure the health and safety of Americans, and will not result in any job creation in the visible future.

    It took me a long time to accept this fact – I didn’t want to assume they had the worst motives, when simple incompetence, prejudice, and lack of a view of the world outside of the country clubs would have explained their actions. But the evidence is overwhelming – they are guilty of nothing less than treason. There is absolutely no reason to keep any of them in office, and they should bear the mark of shame for the rest of their lives.

  36. 46

    ev spews:

    Barry Obama..the biggest Presidential Bust EVER!! From UT San Diego-

    He took office at a time when the U.S. economy was on its worst slide in 75 years, but pushed policies using borrowed money that were more meant to preserve government jobs than broadly help the private sector where the great majority of Americans work, ensuring the jobs crisis continued. He railed against the heavy spending and big deficits of his predecessor, but blithely backed budgets that had triple the deficits ever seen in American history. He promised a smart, sweeping overhaul of the U.S. health care system, but ended up giving us a Byzantine mess promoted to the public with myths: that offering subsidized care to tens of millions of people would save money; that people would keep their own doctors; that access to care wouldn’t change; and that rationing would never happen. He promised a more sophisticated approach to the economy than that of his predecessor, but had so little common sense that his health law actually gave businesses a big financial incentive to discontinue providing health insurance to their employees. He offered hosannas to genius entrepreneurs like Steve Jobs in his prepared remarks, but when speaking off the cuff betrayed his faculty-lounge view of the world, saying of businesspeople, “if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own.” He swore to bring overdue oversight and honest accounting to the corporate world, but made flagrantly dishonest claims about General Motors paying back its government loans that would have triggered a criminal fraud investigation in the private sector. He promised to set a high new standard for ethics in the White House, but used a baffling claim of executive privilege to shield his embattled attorney general from the repercussions of a cover-up involving the death of a federal law enforcement officer. He denounced his predecessor for permitting harsh interrogation tactics with suspected terrorists, but once in office somehow concluded that a better, more moral approach would just be to use drones to assassinate such suspects without getting any information from them. He presented himself as a shrewd student of Washington politics, but once in office displayed a counterproductive standoffishness to many Democratic lawmakers eager to embrace him, never developing the broad range of personal relationships that often mark a successful presidency. He ran as a unifying force who would bring in a new era of civility and racial healing to Washington, but once in office embraced ugly, Chicago-style political hardball that saw nothing wrong with his supporters’ loathsome practice of depicting opposition to his policies as being driven by racism. He constantly offered praise for the wisdom and insights of the American public, but reacted to the broad discontent over Obamacare, high unemployment and vast deficits by saying it was a failure of his administration to properly explain its glorious record to a confused populace – not a predictable reaction to his struggles and ineffectiveness. And in December 2011 – at a time in which one-quarter of American adults who wanted full-time work couldn’t find it, after a year in which the federal deficit was a staggering $1.3 trillion – here was what Barack Obama had to say for himself in a CBS interview: “I would put our legislative and foreign policy accomplishments in our first two years against any president, with the possible exceptions of Johnson, FDR and Lincoln.” Unbelievable. If self-reverence were a crime, our current president would be facing a life sentence. For the good of America, let’s pray we have someone else in charge of the federal government come Jan. 20, 2013.

    Does the truth make you angry?
    The 2nd biggest bust is of course Jimmy Carter. What a head in the clouds embicile he was.

  37. 47

    ev spews:

    41. rhp6033 spews:

    Interesting polling results: a new NBC/WSJ poll says that although negative campaigning had depressed BOTH candidates’s favorability ratings a bit, the President still holds a slightly larger lead among registered voters of 49% to 43%. In key battlegrounds states, the President maintains a consistent lead of about 8 points, from 49% to 41%.

    That’s because the poll you cited gave Dems an 11 point advantage in who they polled you idiot. No one can justify that…except someone trying to sway public opinion. And no one can be stupid enough to fall for it…except you rhpee.
    Obama may win in November. But trust it will be a tremendous fight and obama will have left the coutry deeply divided and he will still be the worst president ever.

  38. 49

    Steve spews:

    @35 Listen up, you piece of shit. Your type broke into the home of little nine year-old Brisnia Flores, shot her father to death, shot her mother and left her for dead, and then shot Brisnia in the head, killing her as she pleaded for her life, clutching her pet dog. And then you shot the dog.

    You clever fucks thought you could murder and steal from illegal immigrants to fund your violent right-wing militias. You dumb fucks, you hate-filled fucking idiots, you broke into home of an American family, all of them US citizens, and you murdered them. And the only evidence you had, the only thing you needed to know to convinced you that this family deserved to die was the color of their skin.

    You can go to hell, asshole, and you can take your damned false equivalencies with you.

  39. 50

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @47 So if a poll shows your guy losing, the poll must be biased?

    Let me explain it to you, dufus. When the Democrat leads the Republican in popularity, then yes, the pollster will talk to more people who favor the Democrat than the Republican, if the sample is a representative cross-section of the voting population.

    What an idiot.

  40. 51

    Steve spews:

    “Does the truth make you angry?”

    No, but your mindless cutting and pasting can bore me to fucking tears. Gawd, you’re fucking stupid, Ev, even for a dumbass goatfucker.

  41. 52

    Steve spews:

    “So, yeah, it’s part of the Occupy mentality”

    Then murdering innocent families is a part of yours.

  42. 53

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @33 So if he doesn’t get what he wants, he’ll throw a tantrum, and pick up his marbles and go home? Wisconsin’s Democrats don’t need his ilk.

  43. 54

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Cullen should repay the Wisconsin Democrats all the money and help they gave him through the years.

  44. 55


    From UT San Diego-


    Both the Union and the Tribune were acquired by Copley Press in 1928[4] and were merged on February 2, 1992. The merged newspaper was sold to the private investment group Platinum Equity of Beverly Hills on March 18, 2009.[5]
    In November 2011, Platinum Equity sold the paper to a company owned by San Diego real estate investor Doug Manchester, known for his support of conservative political causes and his ownership of the San Diego Marriott Hotel and Marina. The purchase price was reportedly in excess of $110 million.



  45. 56

    Steve spews:

    One year to the day after she lost her life, Charity:Water posted a video of Rachel Beckwith’s mother, grandparents and pastor visiting the first of many Ethiopian villages where Rachel’s last birthday wish has come true and has changed lives. Rachel’s Mom got to pump water from the well that Rachel’s wish made real. She saw how these people keep framed photographs of her daughter in their homes. The rig that dug the well has Rachel’s name on it. The village made the site of Rachel’s well a park and named it after her, “Rachel’s Park”. This will play out in village after village, an estimated sixty communities in all.


    Rachel’s mother had started a new campaign on behalf of Rachel, hoping to raise $10,000. She met that goal in a few days. Now she has set her sights a little bit higher, $90,000.


    For me, this is still an amazing story.

  46. 57

    rhp6033 spews:

    # 47: Gee, EV, already making excuses for Romney’s defeat, are we?

    For your information, the title of “Worst President Ever” is probably a tie between Buchanan and the last Republican President, George W. Bush. You guys have to make up stuff to create a “straw man” before you can even attack the current President. That’s because Republicans know that they can’t really run against his policies and his record, especially since their own record is so dismal.

  47. 58

    Liberal Scientist is a slut who occasionally wears a hoodie spews:

    You are a thief.

    I though Republicans worshiped private property rights?

    You’ve posted, entirely and without attribution, an editorial from the San Diego Union-Tribune, and reposted on various right wing nut sites like LUCIANNE!. You’ve stolen their intellectual property (curious, for the text is without intellectual merit), and made this site complicit by posting here. You’ve also violated the rules of the site. As with everything, IOKIYAAR. (Cue Bub calling me a whiner in 1…2…3…)

    You are an imbecil, but at least endeavor to be an honest imbecil. IKTIHIYAAR (I know that is hard if you are a Republican).

  48. 59

    Steve spews:

    I see that the wingnuts came up with an ad featuring pre-school wingnuts with a lemonaide stand to extoll the virtues of the 1% while smearing the president on his business comment. Judging by their previous ad flops, I’m guessing these kids probably owned the only wingnut business the Goopers could find that wwasn’t sucking on the government teat somehow.

  49. 60

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    46. No, I didn’t bother to read it. It was long unformatted copy and paste job, IN BOLD, from you, with no analysis or commentary. Just a drive by snipe and you couldn’t even spell correctly.

  50. 61

    rhp6033 spews:

    Democratic Presidents have a bigger job to do than Republicans. First, they usually have to clean up messes left to them by the Republican administrations. The bigger the mess, the longer it takes.

    Roosevelt had to clean up an economic mess which was years in the making by a series of Republican presidents and congresses, but came to a head during Hoover’s administration. Roosevelt was re-elected to a record four terms as President.

    Carter was elected with the job of cleaning up the government after the Watergate and Vietnam fiascos. But a host of new outside pressures, especially the Iranian Revolution, deprived him of the chance for a second term. But he set forth a realistic balanced budget plan, financed the conversion from a draft to a volunteer army, funded the R&D for a new generation of military helicopters and stealth figher programs, The M-1 tank, funded procurement for advanced fighter/bomber aircraft (F-15 and F-16), and so forth. Republicans took the credit for their deliveries into the field during the early 1980’s.

    Clinton took over from George H.W. Bush, and it took him two terms to fix the budget problems left behind by Ronald Reagan and the elder Bush. But he succeeded, leaving office with a balanced budget and projected surpluses which could pay down the federal debt to zero in only a few years. Of course, Republican George W. Bush trashed those accomplishments, running up a record budget deficit to pay for his off-budget tax cuts favoring mostly the wealthy, two off-budget wars, Medicare Part D, and Tarp I.

    President Obama took office in the midst of record Republcan-created deficits and the biggest economic crisis since the Great Depression. And, of course, the Republicans actively sabotaged any efforts at economic recovery, and have ever since attempted to blame the deficit and economic problems on President Obama.

    Which shows how really scared they are of the legacy which the President will leave behind. They are afraid that his succes will result in a complete repudiation of their economic and political philosophy.

    So they refuse to acknowledge his accomplishments, they create “straw man” images of him to debate, they call him “arrogant” when he’s much more a man of the people than Romney ever was, or can ever be.

    The fear and desperation is palpable, and comes across in comments here made by EV. The more he posts, the more the banktruptcy of the Republican philosophy is clear.

  51. 62

    Steve spews:

    “IN BOLD”

    Yeah, Ev does like to take that little extra step it takes to bold the text he pastes. I suspect it helps him to feel really smart.

  52. 63

    rhp6033 spews:

    # 58: I remember the summer when the Republican/Tea Party tried to shout down the debate over the Affordable Care Act. For about a week, there was a daily demonstration in Bellevue at an intersection near the hospital. Doctors and nurses in their scrubs were on one corner of the street, showing their support for the reform. Across the street was a circus, featuring some teenage girls in costume shop “naughty nurse” costumes holding up signs saying “nurses against death panels” and some other sort of garbage.

    To me, that was the modern Republican Party in a nutshell. They take positions which are undefendable on their merits, so they try to use word games and costumes to mis-characterize the issues and conceal the bankruptcy of their positions. They have no real contribution to civil discourse in this nation.

  53. 64

    Steve spews:

    It looks like Bob, he who associates with the murderers of innocent families, is waiting for another thread so he can get a fresh start. He’s such a fucking coward that way. It makes no difference. The smarmy piece of shit will get his ass handed to him wherever he goes in these threads.

  54. 65

    Steve spews:

    “They have no real contribution to civil discourse in this nation.”

    Lies and whining. It looks to be all they have. It’s all Bob and Ev do here. It’s all their politicians do. Lies and whining. Tiresome.

  55. 67

    Baron Samedi spews:

    for the 2nd day in a row, the OWS losers get owned.

    what a bunch of retards..no wonder nobody wants to hire these losers.

  56. 68

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Why Do Republicans Want To Kill You?

    “State expansions of the Medicaid health insurance program for poor Americans reduced adult mortality rates by more than 6 percent compared with states that did not broaden eligibility for their plans, according to a study released on Wednesday.”


    Roger Rabbit Commentary: The next time a Republican governor (or candidate for governor) talks about opting out of Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion ask him why he wants to kill you.

  57. 70

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Neil Barofsky, who ran TARP under President Bush, has written a book that “accuses Washington of using the … rescue package to serve … Wall Street instead of … helping regular Americans.”

    Barofsky said he hopes his book “gets the public mad.”

    “‘I want them to understand that we have a real problem in this country in regulatory capture. And we have a real problem with the influence of the banks on Washington.'”


    Roger Rabbit Commentary: Earlier today, legendary banker Sandy Weill (who built Shearson, American Express, and Citigroup) stunned Wall Street by saying he thinks the big banks should be broken up.


  58. 71

    Ernst Stavro Blofeld spews:

    68. YLB spews:
    Will idiot right wingers ever see the light?

    From highways in Texas to nuclear power plants in Illinois, the concrete, steel and sophisticated engineering that undergird the nation’s infrastructure are being taxed to worrisome degrees by heat, drought and vicious storms.


    07/25/2012 AT 10:06 PM

    oh noes! its teh globull worming!

  59. 73

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    I Told You So

    “As the cars overflow from Sound Transit park-and-ride lots, the agency’s leaders are considering whether to charge users a daily fee.

    “Supporters hope a fee would encourage more people to carpool, bike, walk or ride a bus to the lots, freeing slots for others, making the most of limited pavement.

    “Crowding is particularly dire in the south suburbs, where the lots are overflowing, but the trains are nowhere near capacity. Long before 9 a.m., commuters can’t know if they’ll find room until they drive up. Some surrender and continue driving to work.”


    Roger Rabbit Commentary: What did I tell you when light rail was being debated? People won’t ride light rail if there’s no parking at the stations, I said. An idiot could figure this out — but ST’s planners couldn’t. Walk or bike to light rail stations? You gotta be kidding.

    The only good thing about this fiasco is I don’t have a job anymore, so I don’t have to commute. Like Mitt Romney, I’m a capitalist now. Parking hassles are for wage slaves. I had enough brains to free myself from wage slavery before I drop dead. Which makes me smarter than the numbskulls who built light rail.

  60. 74

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    If you’re unlucky enough to be a wage-slave and commuter, you should be VERY OFFENDED that after making you pay higher sales taxes for those parking lots, they want to charge you for using them. Tacking another $50 – $100/mo. onto the cost of getting to a job is the last thing Seattle’s wage slaves need right now. The public needs to rise up with their pitchforks and put a stop to this bullshit right now.

  61. 75

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Romney Caught Lying Again

    “Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney has said he had no active role in Bain Capital, the private equity firm he founded, after he exited in February 1999 to take over Salt Lake City’s Winter Olympics bid.

    “But according to Bain associates and others familiar with Romney’s actions at the time, he stayed in regular contact with his partners over the following months, tending to his partnership interests ….”


    Roger Rabbit Commentary: This doesn’t need comment. It speaks for itself.

  62. 77

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie spews:

    @72, 73
    The story I heard on NPR yesterday morning suggested that people were parking in the lots, but not using the trains – either gathering there to carpool, or parking there for other local activities.

    Do you have data that confirms your analysis that there is a capacity asymmetry between the lots and the trains?

    The ST person I heard interviewed talked about a system in which you paid to park, and then were reimbursed when you swiped your card to get on the train – making the parking free for train riders, which sounded like a good idea and hit only the people who were using the lots in ways unintended by ST.

  63. 78

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie spews:

    oh noes! its teh globull worming!

    Descendent of the people who excommunicated Galileo.

    I suppose that geocentrism, flat-eartherism, 6000-year-old Earth-ism, Biblical-literalism, anti-vaccination-ism, Palin-ism, Feudalism, Randism/Objectivism, Libertarianism and other mindless superstitions have all had their die-hard adherents who went down swinging in the face of rational, skeptical, critical thought.

  64. 79

    rhp6033 spews:

    # 76: Sounds like a good idea. Or a lower-tech idea would be to have windshield parking permits tied to a regular, ongoing purchase of a train pass. Buy a train pass, get a parking sticker entitling you to park for free!