Drinking Liberally — Seattle

DLBottle
Please join us tonight for an evening of politics under the influence at the Seattle Chapter of Drinking liberally.

We meet at the Montlake Ale House, 2307 24th Avenue E. Starting time is 8:00 pm, but a few folks show up earlier for dinner.


Can’t make it tonight? The Burien chapter of Drinking Liberally meets tomorrow (Wednesday), July 27 at the Mick Kelly’s Irish Pub. Starting time is 7:00pm.

And with 230 chapters of Living Liberally, including seven in Washington state, chances are excellent there is a chapter near you.

Comments

  1. 1

    Steve spews:

    There’s still time to donate a few bucks or more for little Rachel Beckwith’s cause, clean drinking water for impoverished children far less fortunate than herself. Hoping to raise $300 in lieu of receiving gifts for her ninth birthday, she fell a little short of the $300, and then died not long after in a horrible traffic accident. With an outpouring of love and support, her goal has now been exceeded nearly a thousand times over – over $297,000 has been raised. Please check it out. Maybe you can find it in your heart to chip in.

    http://www.mycharitywater.org/.....n_id=16396

    Mark 10:13-14
    13 Then they brought little children to Him, that He might touch them; but the disciples rebuked those who brought them. 14 But when Jesus saw it, He was greatly displeased and said to them, “Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of God.

  2. 2

    Politically Incorrect spews:

    Do you ever listen to Thom Hartmann’s show AM-1090? I’m gonna scream if he says “millionaires and billionaires” one more fucking time.

    Thom, it’s getting old, dude. Time to come up with another slogan to bash the rich with.

  3. 3

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @2 Maybe America’s millionaires and billionaires would get more respect if:

    1) They stopped putting Americans out of work by sending their jobs to foreign countries;

    2) They started actually creating jobs instead of just using that as an excuse for tax breaks they don’t deserve;

    3) They weren’t so fucking greedy and dishonest;

    4) They paid the same taxes as the rest of us; and

    5) They stopped whining so much about taxes they don’t pay.

  4. 4

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Why Do Republicans Hate Consumers?

    “Elizabeth Warren, the law professor who persuaded the Obama administration to create the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, will … will return to Harvard Law School ….

    “Last week, President Barack Obama nominated Ohio’s former attorney general, Richard Cordray, to be the bureau’s first director. Senate Republicans, however, say they will block his nomination unless changes are made to the bureau, changes that Democrats contend will weaken the fledgling agency.

    “Geithner said in a statement that Warren had done an extraordinary job in getting the bureau running. ‘Her efforts to simplify mortgage and credit card disclosures, protect military families from abusive and deceptive financial practices, and bring aboard top talent like Richard Cordray and Raj Date have built a strong foundation for the Bureau’s future success.’”

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43....._business/

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: Why do Republicans want to weaken the CFPB? Because they want to protect payday lenders from the soldiers they prey on? Sure looks that way!

  5. 5

    Puddybud, identifying northwest liberals who elected an underexperienced man to the presidency weighed down by an oversized ego spews:

    4) They paid the same taxes as the rest of us;

    Hey Roger Dumb Rabbit… How much federal taxes do the rich pay…

    Forget DUMMOCRAPTS like George Soros, Jeff Immelt, Steve Jobs, Steve Wynn, etc. who pay no taxes cuz they are friends of Obummer… but how much taxes do they pay? Then how many Americans pay no federal taxes?

    You are free to visit the US Tax Sites while you reeducate yourself.

  6. 6

    Puddybud, identifying northwest liberals who elected an underexperienced man to the presidency weighed down by an oversized ego spews:

    Why do Republicans want to weaken the CFPB? Because they want to protect payday lenders from the soldiers they prey on? Sure looks that way!

    Got proof or is it more “bunny” conjecture?

  7. 7

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @5 Given that most of their income comes from capital gains and dividends, their effective tax rates are lower than the marginal rates on an average household, dumbshit.

  8. 9

    manoftruth spews:

    @8
    One of my favorite Scripture verses. Nice tie to the cause.

    proudleftist, i thought your favorite scripture was the one that said, and ye may take a metal tube and suck the brains out of my unborn creation, and pay the doctor who is protected by the secular immoral state….i thought that was the one you liked

    or could be the one that says, you may pick and choose which of my commandments you want to follow.

  9. 10

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @1 Thanks for posting the link, Steve — I just kicked in 20 bucks. No, it’s not much, compared to what I rip from the stock market over a year’s time, but every little bit helps.

    To our Republican/wingnut friends, I want to say this: We may disagree on many issues of public importance, but I’d like you to know that I in fact have many Republican friends and they are, without exception, generous with their own money to a fault; and on this, helping our fellow human beings in the undeveloped world live healthier lives, we should all be able to agree, is a noble cause; so please join me in honoring the memory of this little girl by donating something, even if it’s only $1.

    This is one of those stories that tugs at the heartstrings. A 9-year-old girl set out to raise $300 to bring clean water to poor people in poor countries. Here are the current figures from the official website:

    Campaign goal: $300
    Raised so far: $334,622
    People served: 16,731
    Donations: 8,094
    Days left: 26

    This little girl set out to raise $300 to help 15 people. Her campaign, to date, has raised over a third of a million dollars which is enough to help over 16,000 people live better lives. Clearly, the divine power that brought her into this world had a very special purpose for her life. How many of us ever get to change the lives of 16,731 people for the better?

    I’m aware that many of my liberal friends are atheists or agnostics. As I’ve posted here many times, the Great Mother Rabbit Spirit speaks to me in my dreams. This happens at her will, not mine; as a 30-inch tall mortal rabbit, I can’t summon the GMRS to me, it works the other way around. I also want you to understand that GMRS is not the ultimate deity; she takes her orders from a superior power. This has always been clear to me, if not to you.

    Anyway, what I’m getting at is, skeptics sometimes ask, “If there is a superior power that cares a whit about this world, why does it let innocent little girls die gruesome and painful deaths in horrible traffic accidents (or wars, or from ravaging diseases, etc.)???”

    Good question. I asked the GMRS about this, and she came to me in a dream, and explained, “It’s very simple, Roger. Each of you down there has a physical body. This body doesn’t matter to me, or my superior, and it doesn’t really matter to you, either. After all, the damn thing is an impediment; it’s dow there for only a short time, and spends most of that time growing fat and lazy, and then it dies, so overall it’s pretty useless, and you shouldn’t be surprised that the creator is willing to readily jettison it. What’s really going on is that there’s a part of each of you, which isn’t physical, that’s really really important to your creator and that part of you survives physical death. So, the explanation is, your physical death doesn’t mean a damn thing and that’s why your creator doesn’t give a Satan’s damn about it and doesn’t intervene to prevent it.”

    It seemed clear enough to me. Any questions?

  10. 11

    proud leftist spews:

    mot @ 9
    You are, simply, a blight on this earth. Please, do not ever call yourself a Christian.

  11. 12

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @6 “Got proof or is it more “bunny” conjecture?”

    I’ve been a lawyer for almost 40 years, and my training and experience have taught me that the trier of fact (you do know what that is, don’t you?) is entitled to draw reasonable inferences from people’s actions, regardless of what their explanation of their actions may be.

    More than 100 years ago, Disraeli, the great British statesman, explained the same idea in a different way:

    “Everyone has two reasons for what they do: A good reason, and the real reason.”

  12. 13

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    The “good” reason is the bullshit GOPers are feeding us about “fiscal responsibility” (they didn’t have any when they were in power) and “creating jobs” (a world-class chimera, in context); the real reason is they hate the New Deal and have talked themselves into believing that controlling the House, which under the Constitution has the sole power to appropriate and spend public funds, subject to Senate ratification and presidential veto, entitles them to repeal the New Deal. In this, they are dead wrong — and so are you.

    Pussybutt, why do you hate America’s working families so much that you not only vote for Republicans but mouth their lies?

    You are one pathetic sorry-ass son-of-a-bitch. Having met you in person, and having found you personable, I want to say that I think you could be an actual human being and actually belong to the human race if you would only find a competent professional to deprogram you from your wingnut mental illness and restore your capacity for rational and humane thinking.

    It’s so sad you turned out the way you did. I’m sure your mother is blaming herself for this failure, but in all honesty, I feel YOU are solely to blame.

  13. 14

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @11 It’s been my experience that most people who advertise themselves as Christians aren’t.

  14. 16

    proud leftist spews:

    15
    Christ suggested going into a room, shutting the door behind you, then praying. I’ve always believed that particular verse means that shouting at others about your religiosity is probably not the right thing to do. Like public displays of affection, public displays of piety generally reflect something less than where the heart actually lies.

  15. 17

    manoftruth spews:

    @11
    You are, simply, a blight on this earth. Please, do not ever call yourself a Christian.

    ah yes, but the abortion doctor is a saint. you are as fucked up as obamas speech last night blaming corporate jet owners for all our problems. are you watching? we’re close to collapse. i wouldnt want to be on record anywhere as a liberal when the new militia comes to power.

  16. 18

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @9 I’ve posted many times on this blog that I am personally opposed to abortion on moral and religious grounds.

    But I’ve also said that I don’t believe I have a right to impose my personal beliefs on someone who may not share those beliefs.

    As a lawyer with almost 4 decades of experience in practicing the reach and limitations of law in our society, I firmly believe that if you sincerely want to eliminate abortion in America, you can’t get there by passing laws against abortion or overturning Roe v. Wade.

    I do think abortion can be eliminated, though. The way you do it is by changing the culture, so that no one will want an abortion.

    MOT, if people like you were sincere about eliminating abortion and saving the lives of unborn children, you selfish bastards wouldn’t oppose government spending to support unwanted children after they’re born.

    I was raised in a community where 98% of the people were Republicans. When I first got involved in politics as a teenager, I was a Goldwater Republican — it all sounded so simple, so obvious, so pure.

    I won’t get into why I morphed into a Democrat by my sophomore year in college; it’s a long story, even though it happened very fast and abruptly.

    For our purposes here, let’s just say that all the good intentions mouthed by Republicans are dashed to bits when they hit the brick wall of Republican hypocrisy.

    And one of the most odious of all Republican hypocrisies is that Republicans stop caring about the welfare of their fellow human beings the instant they’re born.

  17. 19

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @5 “Hey Roger Dumb Rabbit… How much federal taxes do the rich pay…”

    To answer your question, the rich pay the majority of taxes, but they have the majority of income, so why is that out of line?

  18. 20

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    There are rich people who pay no taxes at all. They offshore their income to Caribbean tax havens. They make their money in this country, and they live in this country, and enjoy all its benefits, but they don’t pay a fucking dime to support the government that makes their businesses possible. How is that fair? It isn’t. If these fuckers don’t want to pay U.S. taxes, fine, but they shouldn’t be allowed to do business in the U.S., to take profits out of the U.S., or — above all — to live in the U.S.

  19. 22

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @17 “ah yes, but the abortion doctor is a saint”

    No, he isn’t. He’s an individual who is misusing his medical education (which other people paid for, at least in part) to kill defenseless babies merely because their mothers think them inconvenient, for his personal financial aggrandizement. He may believe he’s performing a service for his patients, but he isn’t; almost without exception, his patients will later regret that they went to him for his “services.”

    “obamas speech last night blaming corporate jet owners for all our problems”

    Obama didn’t blame corporate jet owners for all our problems. All he said was our country can no longer afford to give them nifty tax breaks that no one else gets and which we can no longer afford. Corporate jets are, in fact, legitimate and useful business tools; they facilitate commerce in communities not served by commercial aviation, and they’re very useful for getting key staff and/or critical parts to field locations on short notice. But corporate jets also are abused by execs who use them for family vacations and other personal perks without reporting and paying taxes on such personal use, which happens to be the law — if you’re a CEO or a CFO and you fly your family to the Bahamas for your 9-year-old’s birthday party, the cost of that trip is taxable personal income. It’s also theft from your shareholders.

    “we’re close to collapse”

    Thanks to Republicans who deregulated mortgage lenders and spent our government to the brink of bankruptcy during the ultra-spendthrift and ultra-corrupt Bush administration.

    “i wouldnt want to be on record anywhere as a liberal when the new militia comes to power.”

    Is this a threat? Do you have Norway in mind? Listen, motherfucker, let me explain something to you: I’m a Vietnam veteran; and after the war, I served in the active Army reserve — as a weapons instructor. You think your rightwing nutter militia pals can take me down? Here’s my address: Rabbit hole next to big tree on east side of Green Lake Park. Tell them to bring guns, so I can claim legal self-defense. It might be beneficial to their heirs if they take out a Purple Cross policy in advance of this adventure, too. Executive summary: If you rightwing motherfuckers want a civil war and want to overthrow our elected government, then come and get me! There are only two rules: Anything goes, and you pay your own medical/burial expenses.

  20. 23

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @21 I’m sure you meant this as a rhetorical question, to which you already know the answers.

    But for the benefit of those less sentient than you, the answers are:

    Going to church doesn’t make you a Christian.
    Going to a garage doesn’t make you a car.

  21. 24

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Christianity is a terrific religion. It teaches that we should love each other, not material things; that we should forgive those whose imperfections lead to actions that hurt us, rather than seek revenge; that God loves the least among us, most of all, and little children above all; that no matter how bad a person you’ve been, everything wrong you’ve ever done has been wiped away by Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross, and that salvation is yours for the taking.

    It’s hard to beat that.

    And even if it’s all a sham, concocted by a bunch of long-dead wiseguys, what do you have to lose by believing it while you’re here? And how much does the world stand to gain if everyone would simply practice Christianity’s simple principles?

  22. 26

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @11 Although it’s possible for Republicans to get forgiveness, it’s not possible to be a Republican and a Christian at the same time.

  23. 27

    manoftruth spews:

    @22
    If you rightwing motherfuckers want a civil war and want to overthrow our elected government, then come and get me!

    ok, well first of all, roger must be a something tonite, justingf by his rapd fire posts. second, i was just copying the example of our good freinds in vermont who voted to issue an arrest warrant for president bush and vp cheney should they ever travel to vermont. im just changing it a little to arrest goddamn liberal, commie, pinko, druggie, love children, hippie, beatniks. thats all.

  24. 28

    manoftruth spews:

    @22
    Do you have Norway in mind?

    did you mean to say norway, or were you thinking of the terrorist attacks committted by the founder of israel, david ben-gourian when he was wanted as a terrorist by british intelligence. oh, i forgot, they dont teach that in publik skool.

  25. 29

    Steve spews:

    Shorter Martha MacCallum of Fox News, “If only Americans would live on the streets, eat catfood and forego healthcare, we could afford to send even more Americans to die in stupid, senseless wars.”

    MACCALLUM: But I want to ask you one more question, because when I watched the president last night he talked about the things that have driven us to this situation, and he said two wars that we couldn’t pay for, a prescription drug plan that, you know, was way too expensive to pay for, and the financial crisis that followed and that was, you know, toward the beginning of his watch and overlapping the Bush administration.

    But I couldn’t help thinking, well, if we weren’t in such a precarious situation and hadn’t overextended ourselves to such an incredible extent where we are sending out 80 million checks a month – the U.S. government – wouldn’t we have been able to handle those things like the two wars in a much better, stronger fiscal position, and isn’t that where we really want to be as a country, where a war doesn’t bust us because we’ve got good fundamentals?

  26. 30

    Steve spews:

    For Martha, “good fundamentals” seems to mean “More poor, more war”, or something like that.

  27. 32

    Steve spews:

    @10 ““If there is a superior power that cares a whit about this world, why does it let innocent little girls die gruesome and painful deaths in horrible traffic accidents (or wars, or from ravaging diseases, etc.)???””

    “there’s a part of each of you, which isn’t physical, that’s really really important to your creator and that part of you survives physical death. So, the explanation is, your physical death doesn’t mean a damn thing and that’s why your creator doesn’t give a Satan’s damn about it and doesn’t intervene to prevent it”

    I like that, Roger. I’ve tried to express a similar thought a few times to my Dear Ms. Wingnut. You’ve said it much better than I ever have.

  28. 33

    Zotz sez: Teahadists are Koch suckers! spews:

    Roger @14 and 15: Generally goes for “patriots” as well. The real ones never mention it.

  29. 34

    Steve spews:

    Is it possible for a little nine year-old girl to leave this world a better place than she found it? I know now that the answer to that question is yes, she can. Now how about us?

    The average donation to Rachel’s cause is about $20. There are over 18,000 donors now, and the amount raised is approaching $400,000. I hope you’ll all chip in.

    http://www.mycharitywater.org/.....n_id=16396

  30. 35

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @34 “Now how about us?”

    I’ve thought about this long and hard, and although human history to date isn’t very encouraging, my answer is, “Yes, we can.”

  31. 37

    Politically Incorrect spews:

    @5, 6, 7 & elswhere in this thread:

    The solution is a FLAT RATE INCOME TAX and a national sales tax. That way, everyone pays SOME taxes regardless of income or accumulated wealth.

    You don’t like loopholes? Then support a flat rate tax! It’s THAT simple!

  32. 38

    Politically Incorrect spews:

    I’ve often heard about pay-day lenders and the rates they charge their customers. Being a financial analyst, I’ve had the opportunity to look at the audited books of some of these companies, and I’ve noticed that they are profitable, but not inordinately so. That is, thier ROA’s, ROE’s and other profitablity measures are pretty much in-line with others in the financial services industry.

    Why? Because a lot of their customers don’t bother to repay the loans. These pay-day lenders might have a bad reputation, but they serve a vital function that other lenders don’t: they loan to the poor credit risk market. Banks, credit unions and other main-stream credit facilitators wouldn’t touch the pay-day lenders’ customers with a 10-foot pole.

    So, if you are all against these pay-day lenders, why not form a cooperative whereby YOU make loans to these high-risk lenders at the same low rates given to prime borrowers? I’m sure that if you start with $1,000,000 in initial capital, you’ll be down to nothing within a year. Go ahead – put your money where your mouths are and see just how wonderful it is to treat poor credit risks as triple-A rated borrowers.

  33. 39

    Ekim spews:

    37. Politically Incorrect spews:
    @5, 6, 7 & elswhere in this thread:
    The solution is a FLAT RATE INCOME TAX

    What about capital gains? The 1%ers make most of their money in capital gains but pay little or nothing in taxes.

  34. 40

    Steve spews:

    I read a science fiction novel when I was a teen about giant rabbits taking over the planet. I can’t remember the name of the book or the author. I recall that humanity’s last stand was in Australia.

    I was bitten on a finger by a rabbit when I was a kid, so I know first-hand that they’re evil little fuckers. If they really do have biological warfare capability, we’re all in deep fucking shit.

  35. 41

    spews:

    The solution is a FLAT RATE INCOME TAX and a national sales tax.

    Crap! Poor people need EVERY FUCKING PENNY of income they get just to SURVIVE..

    So let’s say you lower the rates so that even poor people can give a little..

    Then you can’t raise enough money to run a national hot dog stand much less a world power with the kind of gold-plated military that right wing idiots want.

    Germany and Sweden have progressive taxation, all kinds of social welfare programs and their unemployment is way lower..

  36. 42

    Steve spews:

    “What about capital gains?”

    Indeed, it’s not like the very rich get their money from a paycheck. As with dividends and inheritance taxes, Republicans have made it crystal clear that they want no taxation of these sources of income at all. Of course, what this means is that the rich, er, job creators, would pay no taxes whatsofuckingever, generation after fucking generation. So if anybody isn’t clear yet on what the game plan is, that’s it. The rich would pay no taxes at all, not even on their private jets. In other words, far better that your grannie be thrown to the corporate wolves than the rich pay one damned cent of taxes.

    If that’s what one wants, vote Republican. If you don’t like it, then pray that we come up with some better Democrats.

  37. 44

    Politically Incorrect spews:

    @39:

    What about capital gains? The 1%ers make most of their money in capital gains but pay little or nothing in taxes.

    Flat rate measn just that – all income taxed at a single rate.

    @41:

    Crap! Poor people need EVERY FUCKING PENNY of income they get just to SURVIVE..

    Multipy 2,080 by each states’ minimum wage for each person supported by the income stream. For a typical family of four, that means

    Minimum wage X 2,080 X 4

    Next, subtract the above-calculated amount from total income. Lastly, pay a flat rate on the remaining balance. Ta-Dah! The poor family pays nothing because

    minimum wage X 2,080 X 4 is < their total income!

    It’s not magic. It’s a simple, fair, flat rate income tax system that takes into account poor people.

    Trouble is, politicians can’t reward freinds and punish enemies with a falt-rate simple system. Also, CPAs and other tax preparers will have to look for another way to generate income. Too bad for them, I say! Let’s get rid of this monstrousity that we call the Internal Revenue Code once and for all. FLAT TAX NOW!!

  38. 45

    Politically Incorrect spews:

    “Then you can’t raise enough money to run a national hot dog stand much less a world power with the kind of gold-plated military that right wing idiots want.”

    So, end the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and orderly withdraw all our troops from foreign soil. Japan, South Korea, Israel, Europe, Asia – they can all take care of themselves without Americans helping to pay the bill.

  39. 46

    Steve spews:

    @44 Better or not, and I do not believe that it is, there will not be a flat tax anytime soon. Advocate it if you want, but it seems far better that you spend your time opposing the Republican on-going attempts to end any meaningful taxation whatsoever of the very rich. Defeat them first, and then we can talk.

    For a typical family of four, that means

    Minimum wage X 2,080 X 4

    Huh? Are you leaking a vision for America as a country where poor families have their kids working? Hmm, you’re not coming off as being very big on child labor laws. Or math.

  40. 47

    spews:

    45 – That is stupid.. We have something called “interests” (oil, gas, strategic minerals, markets, finance) in the world and alliances built to protect those interests..

    When conflicts get out of hand those interests and alliances are threatened…

    So we’re involved in the world… Because if we’re not – we’re worse off..

    That being said – Iraq and Afghanistan are on due course to be scaled WAY BACK.. Obama’s “surge” probably did more harm than good in Afghanistan.

  41. 48

    rhp6033 spews:

    # 40: It’s unlikely that humanity could make a last stand against rabbits in Australia. Have you seen the rabbits in Australia? They are a big problem for ranchers and farmers. They are also the reason why the wild Dingo population is so large – hunting for rabbits there is a “target rich environment”.

    (Apologies to Roger Rabbit).

  42. 49

    rhp6033 spews:

    Old joke:

    A coyote chases to rabbits, they manage to hide in a log where he can’t get to them. But the coyote keeps circling the log, determined to catch at least one of them when they exit.

    So one rabbit says to the other: “Should we make a run for it, or wait a few hours until we outnumber him?”

  43. 50

    spews:

    44 – Yes if capital gains, estate, payroll, etc are taxed at the same rate I can ALMOST buy into a a flat tax…

    But I also believe in social insurance – people being left to the mercies of the business cycle of market economies and dog-eat-dog greedheads in the corporate world is sucky social policy…

    So if a flat tax provides for social insurance -fine else sorry progressive taxation is the way to go as it is in countries like Germany and Sweden and even Canada who are doing way better than we are right now.

  44. 51

    Steve spews:

    @49 A friend and I were hiking in Glacier Park when he told me a joke about two guys who encounter a bear. One guy starts putting on running shoes. The other guy says, “WTF, you can’t outrun a bear! The other guy replies, “I don’t have to outrun the bear.” heh- Very funny. So my friend and I take a break on the trail, I get up and start to hike again, but my friend lags behind for some reason. I look back and the SOB is sitting on the trail, changing into his running shoes. heh- Very funny.

  45. 52

    Puddybud, identifying northwest liberals who elected an underexperienced man to the presidency weighed down by an oversized ego spews:

    Roger @14 and 15: Generally goes for “patriots” as well. The real ones never mention it.

    Yeah like this “guy“.

  46. 53

    Steve spews:

    @50 I might consider buying into a flatter progression, still much favoring the poor, providing all sources of income are taxed. I could maybe buy into somewhat lower rates for inheritance, dividends and capital gains. I’d have to see some numbers crunched. I would oppose a national sales tax. The rich would get around it and the middle class and poor would be hit hard. No way.

  47. 54

    americafirst spews:

    @1. Steve spews:

    There’s still time to donate a few bucks or more for little Rachel Beckwith’s cause, clean drinking water for impoverished children far less fortunate than herself. Hoping to raise $300 in lieu of receiving gifts for her ninth birthday, she fell a little short of the $300, and then died not long after in a horrible traffic accident. With an outpouring of love and support, her goal has now been exceeded nearly a thousand times over – over $297,000 has been raised. Please check it out. Maybe you can find it in your heart to chip in.
    ——————————————–
    Why don’t you chip in that $100K you have, you effing phoney;

    17. Steve spews:

    @8 As somone involved in billions of dollars worth of development, I can tell you that development is no more a good in itself than any other value. Development is only good when and if it is good. This is Gig Harbor’s call, not yours and not the developer’s. Gig Harbor doesn’t want the big box. You’ve got issues with that? Tough shit.

    As for your “I bet 99% of you” remark, would you care to back that up with a $100K bet? If not, then crawl back in your shit hole and STFU.
    07/22/2011 at 6:44 am

  48. 55

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @45 Isolationism, back when you guys tried it, worked about as well as Hoover economics, back when you guys tried that, too.

  49. 56

    americafirst spews:

    @55. Roger Rabbit spews:

    @45 Isolationism, back when you guys tried it, worked about as well as Hoover economics, back when you guys tried that, too.
    ——————————————
    Isolationism is one thing, but what is your objection to drawing down the troops in Afghanistan and Iraq more quickly, have you suddenly decided to believe the generals.

  50. 57

    Steve spews:

    “Why don’t you chip in that $100K you have, you effing phoney”

    What’s your fucking problem, Klown? Did the goat die or something? I’d rather it had been you.

    Is this too complex for you? You either back up your bullshit and take the bet or you’re going to show us that you’re a fucktard coward. I’d ask which it is, Klown, but I already know the fucking answer.

  51. 59

    americafirst spews:

    @57. Steve spews:

    “Why don’t you chip in that $100K you have, you effing phoney”

    What’s your fucking problem, Klown? Did the goat die or something? I’d rather it had been you.

    Is this too complex for you? You either back up your bullshit and take the bet or you’re going to show us that you’re a fucktard coward. I’d ask which it is, Klown, but I already know the fucking answer.
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    Don’t try to change the subject, billionaire. Why don’t you chip in that $100K you say you have, don’t they take monopoly money? Maybe you could raise $100 if you sold your welfare benefit card, you effing phoney.

  52. 60

    Steve spews:

    “Why don’t you chip in that $100K you have, you effing phoney”

    Not a bad idea.

    “phoney”

    heh. Have I ever told you that you project too much, Klown? I hear it’s a Psych 101 thing.

    “Don’t try to change the subject, billionaire.”

    Actually, the subject is you not taking the bet. I’m thinking that you’ve got two problems here.

    1. You can’t back up your bullshit.
    2. You don’t have the money.

    Little wonder about the money. Wells Fargo hasn’t budged since you bought it over two years ago. Damn, that must suck for you. AS for the bullshit, that’s all you ever bring. That’s why you’re known as a dumbfuck Klown.

  53. 61

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @56 “what is your objection to drawing down the troops in Afghanistan and Iraq more quickly”

    Your comment went a bit farther than that; you also argued for withdrawing “all our troops from foreign soil.” That sounds like a plan to maintain a home garrison and that’s it.

  54. 62

    Steve spews:

    Hmm, dumbed down as you are, I take it that you still fuck goats. That actually makes me feel sad. Not for you, you idiot, for the goat!

  55. 63

    americafirst spews:

    @60. Steve spews:
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    Still trying to change the subject, billionaire? $100K shouldn’t be much for “somone (sic) involved in billions of dollars worth of development,” you effing phoney.

  56. 64

    americafirst spews:

    @61. Roger Rabbit spews:

    @56 “what is your objection to drawing down the troops in Afghanistan and Iraq more quickly”

    Your comment went a bit farther than that; you also argued for withdrawing “all our troops from foreign soil.” That sounds like a plan to maintain a home garrison and that’s it.
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    It wasn’t my comment, you were speaking to @45. Politically Incorrect.

  57. 65

    Steve spews:

    I could care less what you believe about “billions of dollars worth of development”. Hmm, I think Max was on Redwest, Pebble and Augusta. That’d be a billion for about four years work. Throw in Troon, Pinehurst, Buildings 27 and 28 and that’d be almost another billion. That’s just the project I might have shared with Max. I’ve probably done ten times that in my career so far.

    Get with the program, Klown. The person changing the subject is you. The subject is your obvious inability to back up your bullshit. You could have taken the bet and called me on it. You didn’t for two damned good reasons. You’re full of shit and you have no money to cover the bet.

  58. 66

    Steve spews:

    Oh, I forgot MS Studios and the data center on Canyon. Another half billion. Fuck, Klown, that’s all from just one client. And you? You’ve got nothing. Take your weak shit somewhere else.

  59. 67

    Steve spews:

    Truth is, I really don’t know if goatfucking has dumbed down the Klown. For all I know, he might have been born dumb as a box of rocks.

  60. 68

    americafirst spews:

    @65. Steve spews:
    I’ve probably done ten times that in my career so far.
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    Sure you have, billionaire. When are you going to donate that $100K then, did you gamble it away already, you effing phoney?