Drinking Liberally — Seattle

The Seattle Chapter of Drinking liberally meets tonight. There is much to talk about: Jay Inslee is in for Governor, and is leading McKenna in a new poll. Roger Goodman will run for Inslee’s 1st congressional district seat. Secretary of State Sam Reed is out, leaving three open statewide contests for 2012. Oh…and Seattle police leave an assault rifle unattended on a patrol car!

Please join us tonight for drinks, conversation, dinner, and assault weapons tips at the Montlake Ale House, 2307 24th Avenue E. Starting time is 8:00 pm, but a few folks show up around 7:00 pm for dinner.

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Can’t make it tonight? There will be a special fireworks edition of Drinking Liberally, Newport Hills on the 4th of July. The fun begins at the Mustard Seed, 7:00 PM. Then, at about 8:30 or 9:00, they’ll make a short trip over to Newcastle’s Lake Boren park for the fireworks.

Finally…Have you registered for NWroots on July 9th? First Congressional District candidate Roger Goodman will open up the conference, announce his candidacy, talk a bit about the disastrous war on drugs, then introduce the current 1st District Congressman and gubernatorial candidate, Jay Inslee. Other featured speakers are 4th Congressional Candidate Jay Clough, attorney Cyrus Habib, “dreamer” Also Chehade, Washington State Labor Council President Jeff Johnson, Congressmen Jim McDermott and Dennis Kucinich, and, a special guest from Canada, former Canadian Health Minister Ujjal Dosanjh, who will address single payer health care. There will be sessions and panels on the media, health care, immigration, labor, agricultural policy, the mortgage crisis, electronic voting issues, and an excellent 25 minute documentary on Afghanistan. There will be a candidates social, a special musical performance by the Total Experience Gospel Choir, and an after-party at Seattle’s oldest saloon. Find more information and register here.


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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Well, here’s hoping that David Prosser’s recent election victory* is a very short-lived one.

    * And I hope someone sews up the holes in Waukesha County’s ballot bags, too.

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    As far as assault weapon tips goes, I’ll have to post mine here, as I’ve been unable to attend DL for some time now, due to recent medical problems.

    Tip #1: Anytime you’re using a weapon with a high-capacity magazine and automatic-fire capability, you should fire in short bursts (3 to 5 rounds) to conserve ammunition and avoid burning up the barrel, unless you have a drum magazine in which case you can fire longer bursts (8 – 12 rounds) with longer pauses between bursts to give the barrel a chance to cool down.

    Tip #2: Grazing fire (i.e., just barely above the ground) is always effective against both stationary and moving targets, because it will bring standing or running targets to their kneeds by blowing their feet off, and will hit prone targets in the head.

    Tip #3: In a running battle with an assault weapon, point-and-shoot is nearly as effective as aimed fire (if you know what you’re doing), and you’re a lot less likely to get shot by firing on the run than if you stop, kneel, and take aim.

    Tip #4: Being equipped with an assault weapon does not obviate the need to utilize available cover, especially if the other side has assault weapons, too.

    Tip #5: Don’t let yourself be intimidated by high-volume fire; as a general rule, the more lead your opponents are throwing at you, the less likely you are to be hit. Case in point: A gun battle in Tacoma in which Army Rangers and drug dealers exchanged over 3,000 rounds across a street and there was no casualties. When someone is simply spraying bullets, your chances of being hit are very small. The guy you should be afraid of is the one who squeezes off aimed rounds, one round at a time, taking his time to do it. In other words, snipers. Be very afraid of snipers. If a sniper is in the vicinity, take cover as quickly as you can, and leave the area as soon as possible.

    Tip #6: Throwing an assault weapon at your enemy after you run out of ammunition is seldom effective, which is another reason for conserving your ammunition and using aimed fire instead of just spraying the target area.

    Tip #7: If you’re afraid of the assault weapon’s recoil, you may want to use a knife instead, which isn’t much as far as offensive capability goes, but it’s slightly better than nothing in a defensive situation when you’ve been overrun and they’re on top of you.

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    As for those careless cops who drove around in crowded city streets with an AR-15 rifle perched on their trunk — a weapon that clearly has a magazine in it and therefore is loaded because who you ever heard of cops arming themselves with assault rifles with empty magazines? — I’d bet money they’re in for some Special High Intensity Training (S.H.I.T.).

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    If I was those Army Rangers’ commanding officer I’d march them out to the practice range at 0500 hours every fucking day until they demonstrate they can hit something.

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    Michael spews:


    Yeah, I saw that according to Slog they weren’t sure if the AR with a magazine in it was loaded or not. Perhaps they were really wondering if it had a round in he chamber? Not that it matters BECAUSE YOU TREAT EVERY GUN LIKE IT HAS A ROUND IN THE CHAMBER.

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    Michael spews:

    “The interest on the debt can easily be paid for …. and that would mean that we wouldn’t default. Then we would continue the full faith and credit of the United States. I think these are scare tactics by the Obama administration, because clearly this is the Obama debt, this is the Obama deficit and this is the very poor working Obama economy. ”
    Michele Bachmann

    See righties, your hero thinks the interest on the debt isn’t that big of a deal.

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    MikeBoyScout spews:

    Speaking of Liberally, over at The Conscience of a Liberal Nobel Prize winning economist Paul Krugman takes a victory lap:

    A moment of self-reflection: to what extent has this slump played out the way I thought it would?

    I’d think of myself as having held, from early days, four main views that were at odds with a substantial number of other commentators. They were:

    1. The slump would be very prolonged, with an extended period of jobless recovery.

    2. As long as we were in the liquidity trap, interest rates would stay low despite large budget deficits.

    3. Also, as long as we were in a liquidity trap, large increases in the monetary base would — as in the case of Japan — matter not at all for inflation or nominal GDP.

    4. Sustained high unemployment would keep wages and core inflation low, and quite likely push us toward Japan-style deflation.

    On the first three I think I was completely right. On the last, nominal wages have proved much more resistant to falling than I expected; I should have taken the downward nominal rigidity notion much more seriously. In general, I should have realized that we know less about wage and price determination under conditions of high unemployment than we do about savings, investment, and the liquidity trap. If we are going to have Japan-type deflation, it obviously won’t happen for quite a while.

    But compared with the people predicting a V-shaped recovery, soaring rates, and/or hyperinflation by 2010, not too bad. I’d put it at 3.5 out of 4.

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    Americafirst spews:

    @7. Michael spews:
    See righties, your hero thinks the interest on the debt isn’t that big of a deal.
    Good job, that is exactly what she said. She probably went further and said that the debt is no big deal also, but that quote was obscured by those dots.

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    Coorough said [he] “would laugh at things that you wouldn’t laugh at” such as when a fellow student read a poem about abortion.

    “He was turning all shades of red and laughing,” Coorough told the Associated Press. “Wow, she’s just like a terrorist, she killed a baby …

    Hey kids,

    Who does this sound like?

    a) A Republican Frat boi..
    b) a planned parenthood clinic picketer
    c) a jerk that Puddydope, Klynical or the asshat troll would buy a beer for?


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    Puddydope said this guy was a lefty. Oh really!

    Moody’s chief economist, and former McCain economic adviser Mark Zandi is forecasting GDP growth of 4 percent by the end of the year and into next. But in response to a question from TPM, he told reporters at a breakfast meeting hosted by the Christian Science Monitor that his forecast would be “blown out of the water,” if Congress fails to “reasonably gracefully” raise the national borrowing limit.


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    I should have read this guy a LOT more:

    It was bad enough that the Washington Post could not see the housing bubble on the way up. As a result, it totally missed the most predictable economic disaster in the history of the world.

    If anyone at the paper knew arithmetic, they would have noticed that nationwide house prices had sharply diverged from a 100-year long trend, rising by more than 70 percent in excess of the overall rate of inflation. The paper would have also noticed that there was no remotely plausible explanation for this run-up on either the demand or supply side of the housing market. They also would have noticed that rents had remained virtually flat during this period (adjusted for inflation). And, they would have noticed that the country had a record vacancy rate as early as 2002, the opposite of the shortage that would be expected if the run-up in house prices was driven by fundamentals.

    Of course, since the Post’s main (and often only) source on the housing market was David Lereah, the chief economist at the National Association of Realtors (NAR) and the author of the 2006 best seller, Why the Real Estate Boom Will Not Bust and How You Can Profit from It, it is perhaps not surprising that the Post managed to completely overlook the $8 trillion housing bubble that wrecked the economy. Lereah was paid by the NAR to promote real estate. The Post apparently thought that he was supposed to be providing unbiased assessments of the state of the housing market.


    This guy is an excellent check on the junk economics that are often published in the fish wrappers.

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @6 Even if it isn’t chambered, assuming there are rounds in the magazine — and why wouldn’t there be? — any kid could pick it up and chamber a round and God knows what happens next.

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @7 This isn’t Obama’s debt. Clearly or otherwise. 90% of that debt was already there before Obama came to office, and most of the debt Obama added was necessary to save the country from a depression that was caused by idiotic Republican policies.

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @9 If you guys don’t like debt why didn’t you think about that before you ran up the debt?

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    I don’t like debt in any form — either owing or owning. I don’t owe any debts, and I don’t own other people’s debts, either. I’m 100% equity — in my house, my vehicles, my personal property, and my investments. I don’t owe a penny (except the monthly float on my zero-interest credit card) and nobody owes me a penny.*

    * When I give money to down-and-out friends, and they promise to pay me back, I tell them it’s a gift and make them promise they won’t pay it back. That way neither of us lose sleep over a piece of paper. A friendship, I figure, is worth infinitely more than an uncollectible IOU.

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    As I predicted in a previous thread, city prosecutors have declined to prosecute a woman who was arrested for videotaping police making a traffic stop, and she is going to sue the stupid cops.


    Roger Rabbit Commentary: If I were on the jury I would give her a LOT of money, even though it’s taxpayer money, because this KGB shit has to stop. I don’t give a fuck that cops don’t like being videotaped. They videotape us citizens when they pull us over, so why can’t citizens videotape them when they pull us over? This isn’t the fucking Soviet Union or North Korea, this is America, land of the free! And if it were up to me, either that cop wouldn’t be a cop anymore. If the chief of police refused to fire him, and the mayor refused to fire the chief of police for refusing to fire him, I’d vote the mayor out of office and put in a new mayor who has more respect for our civil liberties than these cops do. I say if Rochester’s cops can’t do any better than this, then put ‘em all in shipping containers with a two-week supply of food, water, and toilet paper and send them to some country that wants that kind of cops and get new cops for Rochester’s police department!

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @14 “This guy is an excellent check on the junk economics that are often published in the fish wrappers.”

    Newspaper headlines are an excellent predicter of stock market movements. The best time to sell stocks is when the newspapers say everything is rosy, and the best time to buy stocks is when the newspapers say the end of the world is nigh.

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    Default??? Naaaah..

    Minnesota Rep. Bachmann, appearing on CBS’ “Face the Nation,” denied that failing to raise the debt limit would cause the U.S. to default (meaning not pay its lenders):

    Bachmann: Well, first of all it isn’t true that the government would default on its debt because very simply the Treasury secretary can pay the interest on the debt first and then from there we have to just prioritize our spending.

    Seems simple doesn’t it? Just pay the interest first and make do with the rest..

    Just one problem.. “Making do” means cutting ALL spending by at least 34 percent. ALL OF IT – Iraq, Afghanistan, Homeland Security, Social Security, Medicare – everything!


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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @22 Right, what she’s saying is keep mailing the rich people their coupons, and cut off granny’s social security so she can’t buy the dog food she survives on.

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    Americafirst spews:

    @17. Roger Rabbit spews:

    @9 If you guys don’t like debt why didn’t you think about that before you ran up the debt?
    That is a good point. I don’t think Republicans do very well on average, but much better than dems. You may recall that Repubs did make a serious effort in the balanced budget constitutional amendment, which was killed by dems.

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Darryl deleted one of my comments in another thread today. If you’re curious, it was a news article that Bachmann’s former chief of staff said today Bachmann isn’t qualified to be president.

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Go ahead, Republicans! Pull the default trigger! I’m ready! I’ve been selling stocks to you guys and hoarding the cash so I can buy my stocks back from you for 40 cents on the dollar. I LOVE TAKING MONEY FROM REPUBLICANS!!! And it’s so easy.

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Working For Republicans Is Harmful To Your Health

    Mrs. Rabbit and I were grocery shopping this afternoon when she ran into a former co-worker she hasn’t seen since she retired several years ago. The two of them had a long chat which consisted mostly of the co-worker informing Mrs. Rabbit of who has died. And it seems a lot of Mrs. R’s former co-workers have died.

    Just before I retired, one of my co-workers pressed a chart into my hand that showed a stunning correlation between retirement age and longevity — the younger you retire, the longer you live.

    This correlates with another statistic: Over the last 30 years, the productivity of American workers has gone way up, but the workers haven’t gotten one penny of the nation’s GDP gains over that time — every cent of it went into the pockets of the rich. In other words, slavedriving employers are making workers work harder than ever before, and workers are dropping dead at increasingly young ages, but employers are taking ALL the money the workers’ extra work produces!

    In other words, the selfish rich are literally KILLING our workers to make themselves even richer.

    Take my word for it, the stress of working for selfish Republican employers just isn’t worth it! You’ll die young for nothing so they can get rich from YOUR work! Nobody should work. I don’t work. I flip stocks, and 98.6% of the time, my stock flipping is taking money from Republicans, not Democrats or independents or George Soros. Trust me, robbing Republicans in the stock market is much more profitable and satisfying than letting Republicans rob you in the workplace, and much less stressful, so you’ll live longer too! Why anyone still works is a mystery. But not to worry, Republican economic policies are rapidly making work obsolete for everyone (9% unemployment and counting) and pretty soon we’ll all be flipping stocks.

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    Puddybud, identifying northwest liberals who elected an underexperienced man to the presidency weighed down by an oversized ego spews:

    yelling loser beta boy discussing Mark Zandi…

    Zandi’s analysis of the impact of an economic stimulus package on the United States economy was cited by Christina Romer and Jared Bernstein in their report on President Barack Obama’s proposed American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan.

    Also his mentor Lawrence Klein

    During the United States presidential election, 1976, Klein coordinated Jimmy Carter’s economic task force.

    Really sucks to be you yelling loser beta boi!

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    No Time for Fascists spews:

    Even conservatives think a balanced Budget amendment is a bad idea.

    Or this fine column

    Having proven conclusively that they could not care less about balancing the budget when they are in power — reserving their deficit concerns solely for times when Democrats are in power — Republicans are nevertheless hoping that their support for a balanced budget amendment (BBA) to the Constitution will fool people into thinking they are fiscally responsible on Election Day. But if they are, in fact, serious about amending the Constitution to require a balanced budget, it’s a terrible idea

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    No Time for Fascists spews:

    @28. Wow puddy. Extra scrambley.
    How soon before you move to your conservative utopia of Somalia?

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    rhp6033 spews:

    # 21: I can’t remember who it was, but one big stock investor said he knew the 1929 stock bubble was going to burst when he heard the elevator boy talking about his stock picks. He claimed that when even the elevator boy is in the stock market, it means it’s time for the serious investor to get out.

    Looking at 2006-2008, I did the same thing, except without thinking about it very much. I used to buy a house every couple of years, do some rehab work to make it look better in the multiple listing photos (and fix any easily correctable problems), and sell it for a modest profit. But with by 2005-2006, the market seemed to be acting crazy, and I decided to sit it out for a while. There were shows on TV called “Flip this house”, which were encouraging others to pretty much do the same thing I was doing (well, I was doing it a bit differently, but that’s another story). By 2006-2007 everybody was trying to flip houses, many without doing any work on them at all and counting on being able to sell them for more before they even closed the original deal. When that sort of activity happens, you KNOW you are in a bubble, and it’s time to get out, fast.

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    rhp6033 spews:

    As far as balanced budgets and federal debt is concerned, the last President to be seriously concerned about it was Andrew Jackson. Jackson wasn’t an economist by any stretch of the imagination, but he realized that banks had too much power over ordinary people and even governments. He felt he had lost the previous election because the fellow in charge of the United States Bank had used bank money to fund his opposition. So once in office, he scuttled the United States Bank, and insisted on a budget which paid off all federal debt within a short period of time. He saw federal debt as a transfer of money from the taxpayers to the wealthy, and he was going to end it as soon as possible.

    Right now, the financial services industry (banks, credit card companies, investment houses, etc.) has so much money they pretty much control Congress through campaign contributions. There are something like 300 lobbyist from the financial services industry for each Congressman.

    Generally speaking, I am in favor of a balanced budget and paying down the national debt. If we had followed Carter’s budget policies, the budget would have been balanced in 1986, but because we had twelve years of Republican presidents, it wasn’t balanced until 2000. If we had followed Clinton’s policies from 2000 onward, the national debt would have been paid off by 2008. But instead, we had George W. Bush in charge between 2000 and 2008, and ended up with a huge budget deficit and national debt.

    Why would anyone believe a Republican when he says he’s suddenly worried about the national debt?

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    Zandi’s analysis of the impact of an economic stimulus package on the United States economy was cited by Christina Romer and Jared Bernstein

    and he was McSame’s chief economic adviser.

    He’s a Republican stupid! Damn you’re dense!

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    Xar spews:

    @26: I say the Senate should pass a clean bill raising the debt ceiling, then adjourn for the summer.

    Let the Republicans in the House be responsible for (further) wrecking the economy if they think it’s the right thing to do. See how long it takes their millionaire and billionaire donors to order them to pass the debt ceiling bill.

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    Is there a Governor worse then WI Gov Scott Walker?

    Yes, FL guv and medicare fraud specialist Rick Scott:

    Displaying contempt for the public and the environment, Gov. Rick Scott’s Department of Environmental Protection has provided only scant notice of its plan to turn over portions of up to 56 state parks to private corporations to build and run campgrounds. As early as next week, the department could decide to move forward on four parks, including Honeymoon Island State Park in Pinellas County. Such radical policy changes affecting some of the state’s most prized natural assets deserve far more public vetting and consideration.

    For the love of money, the love of money…


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    One of the world’s most prominent scientific figures to be sceptical about climate change has admitted to being paid more than $1m in the past decade by major US oil and coal companies.

    Dr Willie Soon, an astrophysicist at the Solar, Stellar and Planetary Sciences Division of the Harvard-Smithsonian Centre for Astrophysics, is known for his view that global warming and the melting of the arctic sea ice is caused by solar variation rather than human-caused CO2 emissions, and that polar bears are not primarily threatened by climate change…

    Documents provided to Greenpeace by the Smithsonian under the US Freedom of Information Act (FoIA) show that the Charles G Koch Foundation, a leading provider of funds for climate sceptic groups, gave Soon two grants totalling $175,000 (then roughly £102,000) in 2005/6 and again in 2010. In addition the American Petroleum insitute (API), which represents the US petroleum and natural gas industries, gave him multiple grants between 2001 and 2007 totalling $274,000, oil company Exxon Mobil provided $335,000 between 2005 and 2010, and Soon received other grants from coal and oil industry sources including the Mobil Foundation, the Texaco Foundation and the Electric Power Research Institute.


    I predict we will soon hear the cackle of a certain dumbshit asshat troll over this one.

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    In Michelle Bachmann news, yesterday her former chief of staff went public with his opinion that she’s not qualified to be president, and today the media reports that a health clinic run by her husband has taken over $137,000 of Medicaid funds since 2005.

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    And Tom Petty told Bachmann not to use his song “American Girl” at her campaign events anymore.

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    correctnotright spews:

    Maybe Bachmann can replace “American Girl” with one of the following songs:

    1. Psycho killer (Talking heads)
    2. Dumb lyrics (Nirvana)
    3. Little Lion Woman (I really f#$%%% up this time)
    4. Did I day that? (Meatloaf)

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    Michael spews:


    The Righties are ALWAYS getting busted for using music w/o permission. It’s like they don’t care about the rule of law or something!

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    Wed Jun 29, 2011 at 07:48 AM PDT.

    It’s Official: Black People Still Hate Uncle Clarence by KwikFollow

    Hate is a strong word, but almost not strong enough when it comes to describing how most black folks I know feel about U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas.

    In an informal poll taken last Saturday among African-American men at my barber shop here in Melbourne, Fla., “Uncle Clarence” — as we unaffectionately call him — emerged as the most hated person in America.

    No big surprise, but the other candidates really put the brothers’ disdain for Thomas into perspective. He won out over Donald Trump, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, R. Kelly, TO, LeBron James, Barry Bonds, Sarah Palin, Nene Leakes, Herman Cain and Dick Cheney/George W. Bush (joined infamously at the hip) — all of whom came up in the discussion.


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    Michael spews:

    Haha… News Corp. screwed the pooch on that one.

    News Corp. (NASDAQ: NWSA) finally unloaded its floundering MySpace web property today and the price is rather shocking – $35 million. The company paid $580 million for MySpace in 2005, and was hoping to fetch around $100 million for the social networking site. The buyer is a company called Specific Media which will swap cash and stock for MySpace, while News Corp. will retain a less than 5% stake in the site.

    Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/.....z1Qhia4NBM

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    Americafirst spews:

    @30. No Time for Fascists spews:
    Thanks for the link to the kook blog but I was referring to the 95 amendment;


    Senate Democrats dealt a severe blow to the Republican legislative agenda Thursday, killing the heart of the GOP’s campaign platform–a constitutional amendment that mandates a balanced budget in seven years. Conceding a significant loss of momentum, grim-faced Republicans immediately set out to exact political revenge, blaming President Clinton and targeting six Democrats who voted against the proposal even though they had backed a virtually identical measure only a year and a day earlier.