Debate Open Thread

6:11 PM: The Montlake Alehouse is packed with debate gawkers. I cannot connect to the wireless right now so I’m using my cell phone as a modem. Slow, slow, slow.

6:13 PM: Sarah Palin unleashes her first lie about Obama raising taxes!

6:16 PM: Has anybody figured out yet whether Sarah’s lip coloring is a tattoo? Hey…I’m not knocking it. Decorative scarification is cool…in some parts of the world.

6:23 PM: When Sarah Palin says she had to “take on those oil companies in Alaska”…does she mean that in the Biblical sense?

6:26 PM: Joe Biden agrees with Sarah’s windfall profit tax (and he points out that McCain would never go for such nonsense). Now, I suppose, the “hard left” will be slamming Biden for saying he “agrees with Sarah” too often.

6:31 PM: I think she just said, “How are we going to get there to positively affect the impacts.” But maybe she was just speaking in tongues or something.

6:33 PM: I’m watching this on CNN and they have some sort of attitudimeter on uncommitted Ohio voters, broken down by sex. (Although I though Ohioans were mostly broken down by drinking….) Anyway, women go positive when Joe starts talking, and then after a brief lag, men tag along with the women. When Sarah starts talking, women go negative and men go positive. Then the moderator interrupts. I think there is going to be an epidemic of blue-balls in Ohio tonight.

6:49 PM: I think Sarah just gave a treatise on “Diplomacy” citing her one-hour Evelyn Wood course by Henry Kissinger.

6:51 PM: Biden just mentioned McCain’s gaffe on Spanish radio, where he suggested he would not sit down with the leadership of Spain. And Sarah didn’t utter “Horseshit! Horseshit!” Man…Sarah is disappointing me here.

7:16 PM: On VP authority: Sarah says she agrees with VP Cheney. Biden says Cheney has been the most dangerous VP ever. Certainly this is true with respect to his hunting buddies!

7:28 PM: Sarah will change the tone in Washington “as [she] did in Alaska” by “appointing people regardless of party.” But, how many high-school friends does she have????

7:somethingortheother: Sarah parrots McCain in jabbing at the media (at least as I experienced it through the filter of CNN). While that kind of thing may work well for rousing the base, it seems like a really, really stupid strategy in every other way.

Post Debate: I was hoping Sarah would get asked to name the media she consumes. I’m thinking she reads both the Alaska Free Press and the Free Alaska Press.

7:45: The television screen says that CNN is going to report on the focus group reactions and result of a national debate poll soon. But they have turned down the volume and the Montlake Alehouse has erupted into a sea of boisterous conversations. So, I’ll just have to wing it and give my opinion without help from a focus group and a poll.

Basically, Biden did exactly what he needed to do. He attacked McCain without attacking Palin. He looked at her, he showed her respect, he displayed confidence and sincerity. He committed no blunders that I noticed. He was composed.

Palin? She did pretty well given her “relative youth and inexperience.” There were a few awkward moments (as one would expect for a novice). As I watched the debate, two “issues” with Palin kept gnawing at me. First, she smiled way too much and at inappropriate times. That shit doesn’t even cut it on the high school debate team (yep…I was there). It made me feel like she didn’t really understand the gravity of the moment and the position for which she has been selected.

Secondly, her answers frequently seemed canned. She had carefully prepared talking points ready to go, and she had them down pat—even when they didn’t quite fit the questions being asked. Sure…Biden was guilty of the same thing at times. But on a scale of genuineness from 1 to 10, Biden scored an 8 and Palen, a 4. But I’m a dirty fucking hippie, so what do I know.

Comments

  1. 1

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    This is disastrous for Palin. Biden is slaughtering her. And she’s doing everything wrong. She’s being hurt most of all by her snarky, grinning, patronizing, snide, little-girl-squeaky-voice hey-look-at-me playacting.

    She had a few good moments when she looked serious and sincere, but unfortunately for her, that lasted only a few seconds. She can’t help herself.

    The Republicans were crazy to think she could debate Biden without self-destructing.

  2. 2

    michael spews:

    I’m not watching it. My health insurance only covers 12 therapy visits a year. I’m pretty sure I’ll need all 12 visits if McCain or Rossi get into office.

  3. 3

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @2 You’re missing a hell of a show! This is like watching a stupid kid trying to ride down a stair rail on a skateboard.

  4. 4

    Dave spews:

    @0 Darryl:

    6:23 PM: When Sarah Palin says she had to “take on those oil companies in Alaska”…does she mean that in the Biblical sense?

    No—That’s Bristol’s job.

  5. 5

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    I would imagine there’s a lot of whooping and guffaws going on in the Montlake Ale House right now! She’s comical!

  6. 9

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Darryl–
    Question for you–
    Are you drunk!?

    Seems like it from the foolishness staggering off your fingertips.

  7. 12

    Dave spews:

    @0 Darryl:

    6:33 PM: I’m watching this on CNN and they have some sort of attitudimeter on uncommitted Ohio voters, broken down by sex.

    Sarah’s going for the Penis Vote… “Pretty Sarah Penis Vote”

  8. 14

    spews:

    Mr. Cynical,

    “Darryl– Question for you–Are you drunk!?

    Not yet! The night is young!

    “Seems like it from the foolishness staggering off your fingertips.”

    So let me ask you, pal…are you retarded? Seems like it….

  9. 16

    Jane Balough's Dog spews:

    Ah great, another debate moderated by a moonbat. Why won’t libs go on fox when we have to endure this crap??? Oh that is right Libs are pussies. Nevermind.

  10. 17

    Dave spews:

    @16. Jane Balough’s Dog:

    Like Obama on O’Reilly? Where’s the McCain interview with Olberman?

  11. 19

    TakSkålDuHave spews:

    Caribou Barbie says: “Politics are hard.”

    I am not watching because I am a “Libs are pussies. Nevermind.”

  12. 20

    michael spews:

    @16

    Did you hear the news, your boy pulled all his people out of Michigan. With a month to go till election day you should be adding people everywhere, not abandoning entire states.

  13. 21

    Dave spews:

    BTW: I’ve been wondering this for a long time… Since when does a “maverick” have the ambition of being the top executive of a bureaucratic organization?…

    ‘Just askin’…

  14. 23

    Dave spews:

    Palin is sounding like those Hooters girls that Mo Rocca from The Tonight Show with Jay Leno took to the RNC… but not as bright.

    “Ach! My dinner job”, president of Iran

  15. 24

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @16 “Ah great, another debate moderated by a moonbat.”

    What’s your basis for this assertion, stupid dog? Ifill is merely asking questions. She’s asking both candidates the same questions, so how can that be biased? The questions are relevant, so what is wrong with them? There’s absolutely nothing wrong with how this debate is being moderated. Whatsamatter, are the questions too tough for your airhead? You’re farting out of your ass.

  16. 26

    Jane Balough's Dog spews:

    @16. Jane Balough’s Dog:

    Like Obama on O’Reilly? Where’s the McCain interview with Olberman

    And how many conservative moderators were there so far???? Oh well, we are the adults so we can put up with the snotty nosed questions from the childish left.

  17. 29

    Dave spews:

    @26. Jane Balough’s Dog:

    Like Obama on O’Reilly? Where’s the McCain interview with Olberman.

    Answer the question, moonbat!

  18. 32

    ArtFart spews:

    She keeps responding to anything Biden says about McCain with “Well, he’s a maverick.” HUH?

  19. 33

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wheeee — there’s the Reagan “there you go again” line!!! Ronnie delivered it, oh, about a thousand times better than she did.

  20. 34

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    “We need to put more emphasis on the profession of teaching” — what the hell does that mean. “Ramp up” education — what the hell does that mean? Someone, I don’t think it means more resources for schools.

  21. 35

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Do you want this idiot presiding over the Senate? It would turn the Senate into Saturday Night Live! She might be good on a TV comedy show, but c’mon people, we’re hiring a vice president …

  22. 37

    Jane Balough's Dog spews:

    Biden on Foreign policy

    “We need to stop the policy of intervention and start with the policy of prevention”

    So we should give them money to like us???? Is that what he means???

  23. 38

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Biden comes across as sober, thoughtful, and serious.

    Palin comes across like she thinks this debate is a big fucking joke.

  24. 39

    ArtFart spews:

    34 “I don’t think it means more resources for schools.”

    Not for public ones, anyway…save for Creation Science and Abstinence-only sex-education materials.

  25. 41

    Dave spews:

    @34. Roger Rabbit:

    “Ramp up” education — what the hell does that mean?

    It means teaching pre-teens to thank God for the baby they will bring into the world as they’re getting raped.

  26. 42

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Holy shit, she’s going off the deep end trying to explain what the constitutional powers of the veep are. Sounds like she mixed up her cue cards, or maybe the wire to her earpiece shorted out and she didn’t hear what her coach said.

    Biden, on the other hand, made it clear and simple: “Dick Cheney is the most dangerous vice president in our nation’s history.”

  27. 44

    Jane Balough's Dog spews:

    Ahh this is great. Biden is going to crack. He actually said Cheney has been the most dangerous VP in the nations history. heehheheeh

  28. 45

    Broadway Joe spews:

    Blue-balls in Ohio. Priceless. My sister’s first husband was from Ohio, and his family were the biggest bunch of redneck morons I’d ever met in my life. Didn’t help at all when his skanky sister hit on me (eeeeeeewwwwwww). Ohio’s a state that could use some more blue-ball epidemics, especially the southern half of the state.

  29. 46

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Now she claims Alaska can make America energy-independent. Let’s fact check this: ANWR’s 7 to 10 billion barrels of oil will last America about a year to 18 months. That’s all. What then?

  30. 48

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @44 “He actually said Cheney has been the most dangerous VP in the nations history.”

    Unfortunately for you, dog, a lot of voters agree with him and find Palin’s cloying insouciance … annoying.

  31. 49

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    There she goes again with the “maverick” bullshit. Instead of electing a maverick who can’t get along with his own party, why not elect a president who has the support of his party and can get things done?

  32. 50

    Dave spews:

    @36. michael:

    Did you see the grin on Cindy McCain’s face when Palin was spewing her speech at the RNC?… like she was smoking a cigarette after a wild three(two)-some.

  33. 53

    ArtFart spews:

    46 Not to mention that the North slope is well past its peak. Betcha she’d just love to find a new gig and get out of Alaska before they fall off the gravy train!

  34. 56

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Biden’s rebuttal of McCain’s “maverick” claims was deadly. The “kitchen table” imagery is a stroke of genius. He has done a masterful job tonight of being succinct, staying on point, and explaining complex things in simple and understandable terms. Palin is outclassed. Biden won this debate hands-down.

  35. 58

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Palin’s little speech about “working together” and “bringing both sides together” “up there in Alaska” is a crock. Alaska is a one-party state.

  36. 59

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Oh, here comes Palin’s happy talk about how “at the end of the day it’s all going to be okay.” Tell that to the people who spent a decade living in Hoovervilles because of the Republican policies of the 1920s.

  37. 60

    ArtFart spews:

    40 Tina would probably be offended at the comparison…except it’s helped her bring in the groceries lately.

  38. 61

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Hey, here comes the snarky attack on the media! I’m loving this! I’ll bet she dripped in her panties after that one!

  39. 64

    Ed Weston spews:

    Finishing up. Joe has done well. Sarah put out an amazing number of talking points. I think she’ll make the wingnuts happy. I’m familiar with the various lies, not sure how familiar and accepting an independent would be.

  40. 65

    treefrogfarmer spews:

    Hands down, Palin Lost. I count at least two deer-caught- in-the – headlights moments.

  41. 66

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Biden was great tonight. He exceeded all expectations.

    Palin had a couple of good moments, but only that — just a couple of brief, fleeting, accidental, half-impressive moments in spite of herself. But for most of the debate, she was herself.

  42. 67

    Jane Balough's Dog spews:

    Now she’s slamming “the media” for mistreating her.

    10/02/2008 at 7:30 pm

    Ahhh poooor baby. Diwd that hurt your poow widdle “We have been swift boated” feewlings.

  43. 69

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    I’ve found the word I’ve been searching for all night to describe Palin’s stage persona:

    Flippant.

  44. 71

    ArtFart spews:

    69 No…that’s too close to “uppity”.

    I think I like “charmingly and confidently wrong”.

  45. 72

    YLB spews:

    Yes wingnuts she did ok!

    However she doesn’t know all that much and that’s painfully obvious. She’s glib and as RR said flippant.

    She’s in way over her head. She’s just George Shrub in a skirt.

    The R’s didn’t lose too much tonight and may have even gained a little but the trend is inexorable:

    Barack Obama will be the next President of the United States.

  46. 73

    YLB spews:

    Oh and all those wingnuts who played into the “work the refs” play by the Republicans?

    You lose. Ifill did just fine.

  47. 75

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @67 No. It reflects poorly on her, though. And that’s my point.

    I don’t want to dwell on this too much, but the media is foundation of our democracy. It is through them that we get the information we need to make responsible judgments as citizens. An independent press is the ordinary citizen’s only way to know what’s going on in the world. When Republicans act like they hate the media, which is all the time, they send a message that says, “you don’t have a right to know.” And that’s the wrong message for a free society. Without the media, we would lose our freedom.

  48. 77

    The Real Puddybud spews:

    yelling loser boy: As she said, she’s only been doing this for 5 weeks. Biden’s been doing it since she was in elementary school!

  49. 78

    The Real Puddybud spews:

    When the media edits her comments, she has a right to call them out like the people in Frank Luntz’ poll group. They know, they are middle Americans.

  50. 79

    Republican Suicide spews:

    It was just amazing the rambling incoherent responses from Palin. She couldn’t stick to the questions, and just recited talking points that fell as flat as her world view.

    Many wonderful soundbites in this debate. All of them demonstrating not that Palin is a bad person, but demonstrating the disastrous decision McCain made in picking her as his running mate.

    Game over. The Repugs are further marginalized.

  51. 80

    The Real Puddybud spews:

    I loved the comment, “I’ve been proud to be an American all my life”

    Take that Michelle Obama!

  52. 81

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @71 I disagree. She wasn’t charming. She was smart-alecky. She came across like a know-it-all who is smugly wrong. And it will cost her among independent voters who watched tonight’s debate.

  53. 82

    The Real Puddybud spews:

    Can’t wait for Fact Check.org again

    Lies about 80 Billion in Iraq

    Lies about Clean Coal comment

  54. 83

    Republican Suicide spews:

    People are going to look at Palin as the next president, with the age and poor health of McCain.

    How could anyone but puddinghead look forward to her leading the country?

    A: No one.

  55. 84

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @76 She did okay for an amateur against a seasoned professional. Kind of like a Little League team losing to the Yankees by only 25-1.

  56. 85

    Rujax! spews:

    Well I wanted to see the caribou barbie train wreck…

    …but what I got was the republican vice-presidential candidate, the person who is the president of the senate and a heartbeat away from the presidency as a blithering idiot.

    A blithering fucking idiot.

  57. 87

    The Real Puddybud spews:

    Republican Suicide:

    Doofus: Who am I voting for in this election?

    Come on name changing moron tell all of us!

  58. 89

    Republican Suicide spews:

    @ 87 … are you asking for ESP or time travel?

    Please continue to demonstrate your particular brand of insanity.

    What a muddleheaded fool.

  59. 90

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @80 “I loved the comment, ‘I’ve been proud to be an American all my life'”

    We all have, puddy. And I don’t see how someone who would say that on a national stage can claim to “work across the aisle” or be “bipartisan.” This is wingnuttism at its most odious. Or maybe it’s just snippy.

    That’s another word I’ve been looking for to describe Palin:

    Snippy.

  60. 91

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    CBS POLL RESULTS

    1. Who won the debate?

    Biden – 46%
    Tied – 33%
    Palin – 21%

    2. Among uncommitted voters, did the debate sway you in favor of a candidate?

    Still uncommitted – 77%
    Favor Biden – 18%
    Favor Palin – 5%

  61. 92

    Jane Balough's Dog spews:

    No one will be talking about Biden after this debate, but they sure will be talking about Palin. She did great. McCain/Palin need to keep on slamming the higher taxes drum. This will put Obama/Biden on the defensive… a position that they can’t handle. Then sit back and enjoy the endless Gaffes.

  62. 93

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @92 “She did great.”

    I can see how a stupid dog would think that. That’s why it’s illegal for dogs to vote.

  63. 94

    The Real Puddybud spews:

    Pelletizer@90: Remember what Michelle Obama said?

    Need a primer like you do on many topics? Why did you snip what I wrote? Oh to make another of your “insipid, vacuous” points?

  64. 95

    The Real Puddybud spews:

    Suicidal@89: You said I look forward to her leading the country.

    I asked you who am I voting for?

    Simple question for a simpleton such as yourself. Are you paying attention or are as you are proving here a jackbooted lockstepped thug?

  65. 96

    YLB spews:

    77. The Real Puddybud spews:
    As she said, she’s only been doing this for 5 weeks.

    Wow! What “executive experience”!

    Biden won it in a walk.

  66. 97

    Republican Suicide spews:

    “McCain/Palin need to keep on slamming the higher taxes drum”

    You mean the increase in taxes on the middle class McCain has planned?

    Not a smart move.

  67. 98

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Breaking News – Judge Refuses To Block Palin Investigation!

    “ANCHORAGE, Alaska – An Alaska judge on Thursday refused to block a state investigation into whether Gov. Sarah Palin abused her power when she fired her public safety commissioner this summer.

    “Judge Peter Michalski threw out the lawsuit filed by five Republican state legislators who said the investigation had been tainted by partisan politics and was being manipulated to damage Palin shortly before the Nov. 4 presidential election.”

    (Quoted from Associated Press under fair use.)

  68. 99

    Republican Suicide spews:

    @ 95 “I asked you who am I voting for?”

    Puddinghead, you can rephrase the insanity anyway you want. It still comes across as insanity.

  69. 100

    The Real Puddybud spews:

    Someone help out Suicidal@99. Apparently he has a real case of “liberalism is a mental disorder “as he/she/it is exhibiting the classic 24 hour mental deficiency.

  70. 101

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    MSNBC Straw Poll Results

    Won won the debate?

    Biden – 53%
    Palin – 37%
    Tie – 4.6%
    Not Sure – 5.5%

    Based on 155,593 responses

  71. 102

    Republican Suicide spews:

    Palin “Your plan is a white flag of surrender”

    Dear God, can it get more incomprehensibly stupid?

    I am sure that kind of talking point claptrap speaks well to the 18%ers, but it looks just foolish for Americans suffering through the disastrous Republican policies.

  72. 104

    YLB spews:

    Biden won because he clearly has superior experience and he kept himself in check.

    That old loser Surreal Mark called Obama a “pretty boy in a suit”. Well Palin is a good looking “girl” in a skirt but she’s a power-hungry kook and is way, way out of her league here.

  73. 105

    The Real Puddybud spews:

    Last week the HA Moonbat!s were trumpeting the Frank Luntz polling group.

    THIS WEEK you are running away from it.

  74. 106

    Jane Balough's Dog spews:

    CBS POLL RESULTS

    1. Who won the debate?

    Biden – 46%
    Tied – 33%
    Palin – 21%

    2. Among uncommitted voters, did the debate sway you in favor of a candidate?

    Still uncommitted – 77%
    Biden – 18%
    Palin – 5%

    CBS???? Weren’t they the same network that tried to pass off a 1972 document printed in a subscript invented in the 1990s???? Yeah, I think they are. Go figure.

  75. 107

    The Real Puddybud spews:

    @102Suicidal: Did you remember what Obama said on his website about his “original” Iraq pull out plan?

    Kind of like you; early withdrawal!

  76. 108

    David spews:

    I had some non-political friends who were watching it and kept me informed through im. It was very funny – nothing would happen and then there would be a flood of “Is she insane?” messages.

  77. 110

    Jane Balough's Dog spews:

    You know the libs lost when they start qouting their biased network polls. heheheehehe

  78. 111

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @106 Sure you’re not an ostrich posing as a dog? Election Day is bearing down on you, and it ain’t gonna be pretty! Visualize a red streak in the street where a dog used to be.

  79. 113

    Jane Balough's Dog spews:

    Palin needs to challenge Biden to a town hall debate tommorrow. We all know that Biden and Obama are scared of debating so I doubt he would take the bait. She won hands down.

  80. 115

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @108 You missed quite a show, David. She talked down to the audience as if they’re all hillbillies with a 3rd-grade vocabulary. Many of her “answers” were scripted talking points non-responsive to the question. She was flippant, snippy, and patronizing. It was, overall, a sophomoric performance worthy of a late-night comedy show.

  81. 116

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @113 “Palin needs to challenge Biden to a town hall debate tommorrow.”

    Oh God yes! That’s the best idea you’ve ever had!!! And where did you learn to spell “tomorrow”? Oh, I keep forgetting … you’re just a stupid dog. Dogs can’t spell.

  82. 117

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    AOL Straw Poll Results

    I’ve been waiting for this one, and it’s finally up. AOL straw polls typically are heavily skewed in favor of the Republicans because their subscriber base is more conservative than the general population.

    1. Who won the debate?

    Palin – 47%
    Biden – 45%
    It was a draw – 8%

    2. Who would make a better vice president?

    Biden – 49%
    Palin – 49%
    Not sure – 2%

    This is a stunning defeat for Palin. When an AOL poll is even close, that’s a disaster for the Republicans. To put these numbers in perspective about 2/3rds of AOL subscribers are Republicans.

  83. 118

    Rujax! spews:

    CNN called it for Biden.

    Who did the best job in the debate?

    Biden 51
    Palin 36

    Did Biden do better or worse than you expected?

    Better 64
    Worse 14
    Same 20

    Did Palin do better or worse than you expected?

    Better 84
    Worse 7
    Same 8

    Is Palin qualified to serve as president?

    Yes
    Before debate: 42
    After debate: 46

    No
    Before debate: 54
    After debate: 53

    ——————————————-

    CBS NEWS/KNOWLEDGE NETWORKS POLL
    (Uncommitted Voters who watched the debate)

    46% of uncommitted voters who watched the debate tonight thought Joe Biden was the winner. 21% thought Sarah Palin won, 33% thought it was a draw… 98% after the debate saw [Biden] as knowledgeable (79% before the debate).

    Lifted from DailyKos

  84. 119

    Jane Balough's Dog spews:

    Here is a poll for you wabbit from a Network that has more viewers then all your liberal networks combined:

    Fox News
    Who Won the Debate

    Palin 86%
    Biden 12%
    Unknown 2%

  85. 121

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    It looks like the bailout bill will have plenty of support when it comes to a vote tomorrow. Sen. Obama has been instrumental in getting several Democrats who voted against it on Monday to change their minds. Meanwhile, the Associated Press reports,

    “DENVER – Republican presidential candidate John McCain, who insists he would veto any pork barrel bills to come across his desk as president, is struggling to explain his vote for the revised financial bailout plan that contained a number of those pet projects.”

    (Quoted under fair use.)

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: That sure sounds like a guy who doesn’t know his own mind, i.e., someone who’s not ready to lead.

  86. 123

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @119 “more viewers then all your liberal networks combined”

    Good one, dog! You’re funny. Did they take that poll in the prison where all the Republican ex-congressmen are doing their time?

  87. 124

    Jane Balough's Dog spews:

    We are back baby. The libs can say all they want but I know I will like the new tracking polls tomorrow. heheheheeh

  88. 126

    busdrivermike spews:

    Yeah dogboy, you are back. But you are still off your meds if you think the moose vittle eating Wassillabilly is going to win this election for Senator Dorf McCain(R-Airbus)

  89. 127

    Jane Balough's Dog spews:

    Anyone who thinks Barak Obama could be a strong and effective President needs to be dropped off on the Mexican side of the border, and never be let back in, because you are not even fit to pick my romaine, much less vote.

  90. 128

    busdrivermike spews:

    The Anchorage Daily News(ADN) reader poll gives the debate to Biden.

    Oh yeah, that judge in Alaska? More bad news for the moose-vittle eating grandma:

    From the ADN:

    “An Anchorage judge today refused to halt the Legislature’s investigation of Gov. Sarah Palin and denied the state attorney general’s attempt to throw out legislative subpoenas.”

    OOPSIE!

  91. 129

    Caribou Barbie spews:

    you’re not fit to pick my ass, dog breath.

    yer gonna be mighty unhappy for the next 8 years…ha, ha, ha…fuck off ya prick.

  92. 130

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    I wouldn’t say that palin hit it out of the park but all biden did was hit a single.
      
    30+ years in government and that was the best he could do? Shame on obama for picking him.
      
    If it’s about change, it’s about palin.
      
    She picked up more votes than she lost.

  93. 131

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @128 When rabbits run this planet you dogs won’t get any romaine. You’re gonna eat rabbit shit.

  94. 133

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @130 “I wouldn’t say that palin hit it out of the park but all biden did was hit a single.”

    HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR

    You always come through in the clutch, Marvin! Thanks for the humor.

  95. 134

    busdrivermike spews:

    Hey Dogboy!

    You finally wrote a halfway intelligent slam.

    I guess it is true about putting a million monkeys in a room with typewriters, one will write Shakespeare.

  96. 135

    zapporo spews:

    Um, I was watching the ladies respond on television and they all said Sarah wiped the floor with Joe. Now, I wouldn’t go that far, but she certainly held her own. Which really gives the HA crowd fits.

    Just look around you. Based on the posts alone, you know Biden just didn’t get the job done.

    Biden just didn’t get the job done.

    Say it isn’t so Joe!
    (But it is)

  97. 136

    busdrivermike spews:

    Face it Republi-twats, you love Palin because when she is on TV reading the teleprompter, you can pretend a hot chick gives a shit about you.

    None of them ever have, or will.

  98. 137

    WheresHilary? spews:

    I had to laugh when Palin made false claims as to experience with bi-partisanship in …ALASKA! As if there is anything more than varying shades of conservatism and back-assed syndrome.

  99. 138

    busdrivermike spews:

    #135

    “Um, I was watching the ladies respond on television”

    Yes, the Fox news whores thought Palin was the second coming of Churchill.

    What a shocker!

  100. 139

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @135 I wondered what she was doing on her knees at Joe’s podium. Thanks for letting me know!

  101. 140

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @137 The only “bipartisanship” they have in Alaska is between the Republican factions, and then only occasionally.

  102. 142

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Seattle Times Straw Poll

    Who won the debate?

    Biden – 73%
    Palin – 20%
    Draw – 7%

    2,286 respondents

  103. 143

    Jane Balough's Dog spews:

    How is Biden going to defend all his lies and missatements he said tonight? This debate is the gift that keeps on giving. hehehehe

  104. 144

    Republican Suicide spews:

    @ 107

    Did you remember what Obama said on his website about his “original” Iraq pull out plan?

    Kind of like you; early withdrawal!

    Puddybrain, do you ever say anything that actually makes sense? What planet are you from? Did they have health care for those dropped on their head?

  105. 145

    Republican Suicide spews:

    @ 140

    The only “bipartisanship” they have in Alaska is between the Republican factions, and then only occasionally.

    Too true, and now they are out to put Palin in prison. It seems the republicans in Alaska can only stand so much corruption.

  106. 146

    zapporo spews:

    spewage @138 – No, not even close.
    The women that were fawning over Palin were with Brian Williams on msnbc.

    msnbc. The official news network of the Democratic National Committee.

    Sarah really won over the women tonight.

  107. 147

    Jane Balough's Dog spews:

    Too true, and now they are out to put Palin in prison. It seems the republicans in Alaska can only stand so much corruption.

    10/02/2008 at 9:45 pm

    That might be the only way you dems can win. God knows you can’t win on your ideas. heheheehehe

  108. 148

    YLB spews:

    Smart women aren’t going to be fooled by Palin. Anyone with a brain can see right through her.

    Now the dumb ones? Anything goes with them.

  109. 149

    YLB spews:

    Stupid mutt… We’re going to win because we’re on the right side of the issues AND anyone that hasn’t been lobotomized isn’t buying more of the same which is all your bunch is selling.

  110. 152

    Republican Suicide spews:

    Too true, and now they are out to put Palin in prison. It seems the republicans in Alaska can only stand so much corruption.

    10/02/2008 at 9:45 pm

    That might be the only way you dems can win. God knows you can’t win on your ideas. heheheehehe

    Hardly the only way, but if the Alaska Repugs feel it is important to put Palin in prison, then that is fine by me.

    Ah, and… hehehehe

  111. 153

    Republican Suicide spews:

    Palin by a fucking MILE. You tards are fucking SCARED and it shows. I love it.

    The fear shows in your comment.

    I feel sorry for you. Must be sad to see all the failures of your party rasping its last demented breathes.

  112. 154

    Republican Suicide spews:

    She picked up more votes than she lost.

    That may be true. She was not expected to lose more votes. That damage was already done.

    But the two votes she gained from Wassila ain’t going to change a thing.

  113. 155

    Republican Suicide spews:

    The real question is will Palin lose the election before she is forced to wear a prison jump suit?

  114. 156

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Will be interesting to look at the polls on Monday morning. Many reliable pollsters, like Rasmussen, use a 3-day rolling average.
    So Monday will be the 1st poll where this debate is 100% included.

    I expect you will be seeing Palin campaigning aggressively thru Election Day. I think one of the strategies (although not sure I agree) was to put her on the sidelines for a couple of weeks to allow the ambush onslaught to run it’s course and become old news..then trot her out again.

    Say what you will, she connects well with average Americans. You KLOWNS are not average Americans!! The Leftist Highbrow’s who like to waste time trying to out-enlighten each other are NOT her target….
    In other words, Palin doesn’t really give a shit what KLOWNS think!

  115. 157

    rhp6033 spews:

    The AOL straw poll, mentioned earlier, made me laugh. I tried to log onto AOL last night several times, and the servers wouldn’t let me in. My guess was that they were overwhelmed because of the debate, but it didn’t occur to me that there was a straw poll in progress.

    Mostly I think straw polls were a waste of time, but one time a few months ago I decided to click on a straw poll (“who should be the next President?”)just out of curiousity. After recording my vote for Obama, it gave me the the results. It said McCain was leading by some 56% – IN EVERY STATE, BY THE SAME PERCENTAGE. Obviously, someone in the McCain camp had the job of hitting straw polls with multiple entries in order to give the perception that he was ahead.

  116. 159

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    143. Jane Balough’s Dog spews:
    How is Biden going to defend all his lies and missatements he said tonight? This debate is the gift that keeps on giving.

      
    Strange that the rabbit didn’t comment on biden’s gaffe talking about the constitutional role of the vice president.
      
    Oh yeah, I forgot how democrats handle the screwups of their own party…
      
    Because this is a partisan blog that takes on Republicans. He would be disgusted by the Democrat and what he did, but he wouldn’t write about it here.
    http://www.horsesass.org/?p=5675#comment-847043

  117. 160

    Lostinaseaofblue spews:

    As usual comments from the left are rude, ill considered, mostly mean spirited and often vulgar. Also just plain wrong. Good move by the way to attack Palin’s sexual morals and those of her daughter. Isn’t the liberal cant that women can advance without sleeping their way up? I guess you lefties don’t really believe that or anything else you profess really. Like party leaders like party followers I suppose…
    Here’s the thing; we have a basically sound economy and fundamentally good country.
    6% unemployment, 4-5% inflation and the majority of people working and paying their bills is a good thing. I know that basic economics is something most progressive/liberals don’t understand but for goodness sake educate yourselves.
    Are there bad home loans out there? Sure. About half of the unemployment rate is people who simply won’t work. Why would they when money is stolen from me to pay for them and their kids? By the same token, some percentage of home loans will fail. There are people who just won’t pay their bills. They are called ‘bad risks’, and banks used not to lend to them. That is until Barney Frank, Acorn and that ilk forced them to do so. This problem is a liberal one, not a conservative one. Economics 101 folks, educate yourselves.

    The rest of the world hates us? Who cares? When I lived in Italy they could have cared less what Americans thought of them. The Engligh and French don’t even consider what we might think when they hold elections or conduct foreign policy. I simply don’t believe that leaders here should be working for Europe or Asia. They don’t have to like us, but they do have to deal with us. Our leaders should be representing our interests and the rest of the world can eat cake. I know that,again, progressives don’t bother to study basic civics, or if they do it is to lay false blame for ancient history on current generations. (Just so you know, I never participated in Indian wars, slavery or segregation. Leave everyone alone about it already!)
    How do you stand being in a political ideology that hates your own country? If it’s that bad here, emigrate. Europe would love your pessimistic socialism, as would most of Latin America. Why don’t you get out and leave this country to people who love it and believe in it? By the way take the damn unions with you. Do that, and block all Chinese industrial trash made from toxic waste from being imported, and this country would again be an economic powerhouse.

    It looks like your hack politician will win the presidency. God help us all because that unqualified man will do more damage than any 10 Bush’s to real Americans. Just to spike the guns, I would have voted for Colin Powell, so don’t bother playing the rascist angle. Martin Luther King wanted men judged by the character rather than the color, and Obama is 9 parts ambition to one part greed. Again, God help us all.

  118. 161

    sb spews:

    I thought Palin was great. She missed a few opprotunities to nail them on education. Like why Obama says he is all about public education but is against giving vouchers. But if you ask Obama where his kids go to school here is his answer.

    No!!!!

    The Chicago Tribune sums up some of their answers:

    “My kids have gone to the University of Chicago Lab School, a private school, because I taught there,” Obama responded. “It was five minutes from our house. So it was the best option for our kids.”

    Well there is your answer folks. Obama sends his kids to private school. Not only that he chose to teach in a private school. What about doing all you can for public schools. Obama has not done crap on education for children except to vote to teach sex education. PUBLIC SCHOOL is good enough for our kids but NO PUBLIC SCHOOL FOR OBAMA’S KIDS.

  119. 162

    sb spews:

    Michelle Obama on how we should work for our communities; Like our public schools and how she understands the plight of low income families.

    There’s not a lot of money in Zanesville. Nearly a quarter of the Ohio town’s population, 22.4 percent, is living below the poverty line, including 32.3 percent of those under 18 years of age.

    That’s nearly double the national poverty rate, officially reported by the Census Bureau last August as 12.3 percent overall, nationwide, and 17.4 percent for those under 18.

    Still, Michelle Obama stopped by the other day during a campaign visit and warned the locals to not go for the big money.

    “We left corporate America, which is a lot of what we’re asking young people to do,” she told a group of women at a day-care center. “Don’t go into corporate America. You know, become teachers. Work for the community. Be social workers. Be a nurse. Those are the careers that we need, and we’re encouraging our young people to do that. But if you make that choice, as we did, to move out of the money-making industry into the helping industry, then your salaries respond.”

    Faced with allegedly skimpy paychecks in the “helping industry,” Mrs. Obama complained that “many of our bright stars are going into corporate law or hedge-fund management.”

    Rather than an honest attempt at providing career advice for the women in Zanesville, few of whom in all likelihood had ever thought about getting a job in hedge funds, it seems that Michelle Obama was simply interested in taking a cheap political shot.

    It just so happens that two of the people who took the exact path that Mrs. Obama was railing against — i.e., choosing jobs in corporate law and hedge-fund management over working in the “helping industry” — are Hillary Clinton and her daughter.

    Hillary spent 15 years at the Rose Law Firm, one of the most prestigious corporate law offices in Arkansas, where she represented large companies and served on corporate boards, including Wal-Mart’s.

    In 2006, Chelsea Clinton started working for Avenue Capital Group, a hedge fund that manages approximately $12 billion in assets, specializing in trading in distressed and undervalued credit-related securities and the debt of companies that are nearing or have filed for bankruptcy.

    The New York Daily News estimated the former first daughter’s salary at Avenue Capital to be in the range of $100,000 to $150,000.

    What Michelle Obama didn’t mention during the Zanesville visit is that she’s done pretty well by helping herself to a sizeable slice of “helping industry” money at the University of Chicago Hospital.

    Employed as vice president for community affairs, Mrs. Obama’s annual compensation jumped from $121,910 in 2004, just before her husband was elected to the Senate, to $316,962 in 2005, just after he took office.

    That’s a $195,052 raise — not bad for someone who looks down her nose at the “money-making industry.”

    All told, the total income declared by the Obama household on the couple’s 2006 income tax return, figuring his Senate salary, book royalties and her compensation from sitting on corporate boards, was $991,296 — again, not bad for sacrificing themselves in the “helping industry.”

    Still, Mrs. Obama complained about the amount of money she has to spend on piano, dance and other lessons for her two children and the burden of paying back student loans from her time at Princeton and Harvard.

    “The salaries don’t keep up with the cost of paying off the debt,” she said, referring to the student loans, “so you’re in your 40s, still paying off your debt at a time when you have to save for your kids.”

    It’s doubtful that many in the audience could feel Mrs. Obama’s pain. The median income for female workers in Zanesville last year was $20,142. In surrounding Muskingum County, 88 percent of adults don’t have a college degree and an estimated 20 percent don’t have high school diplomas.

    “Barack and I were in that position,” continued Michelle Obama, complaining about the college loans. “Up until a few years ago, we were struggling to figure out how we would save for our kids.”

    And then, Shazam!, capitalism saved the day.

    “The only reason we’re not in that position is that Barack wrote two best-selling books,” she explained. “It was like Jack and his magic beans.”

    And the truckers in the “money-making industry” who delivered the books? They’re not in a “helping industry”? And they’re more greedy than a community affairs coordinator at a hospital, pocketing $316,962?

    Ralph R. Reiland is an associate professor of economics at Robert Morris University and a local restaurateur. He can be reached at rrreiland@aol.com.

    Surprisingly when Michelle sympathized with these women about how her and Barak have had to scrimp and save their pennies to send their girls to summer camp, piano lessons ect. She forgot to mention that it was like only 1/16 of 1% of her income that she had to worry about.

    Yes I think maybe you should help out your communities like the Obama’s have; you know giving back to your communities like they have.

    Give me a break.

  120. 163

    tina spews:

    The 10,000.00 She mentioned that she had a hard time paying was a drop in the bucket to the Obama family. Those people must have thought she was nuts. Like they take 10,000.00 worth of their 35,000.00 salary to pay for summer camp and piano lessons for their kids. I think that they might be a little more interested in how they are paying the bills, buying the food and paying for housing and medical care. I am sure that Michelle Obama would like us all to believe how hard she has it and how she can sympathize with all the little people. How stupid must we appear to believe she understands the issues facing families. She knows nothing about how tough life can be reading about it in the news is not like experiencing it. When she walks out of her mansion after eating her organic breakfast, recommended by her expensive pediatrician, and takes her kids off to their private school, to learn how to help out in their community and all, she must be thinking I am so in touch with the little people.