The blame game is on. Lacking polls to kick around anymore, pundits are looking for the cause(s) of Mitt Romney’s spectacular loss.
For months, we heard that the race was supposed to be a “nail biter.” And toward the end, we heard that Romney “had the momentum.” Things were looking promising for a Romney victory.
In the coming weeks, I’m sure we’ll see many hypotheses and analyses, and proposed turning points where the momentum was lost and Romney’s fate was sealed.
But here’s the fact: Romney lost because he was never ahead in the election. Unlike McCain in 2008, Romney was always losing the 2012 election.
This election was no spectacular loss. It was the ordinary loss of a candidate who was always behind. Period.
It was always in front of our eyes (and I did my best to point it out). The state head-to-head polls never showed Romney with much of chance of winning.
Here is a daily Monte Carlo analysis of the head-to-head polls over the two month leading up to the election (one week “current polls” window):
Romney did have “momentum” in this race. It started before the first presidential debate, following Obama’s post-convention bubble, around the 29th of September. The momentum ended with Romney at his strongest showing around the second presidential debate. Even at his strongest, Romney only had about a 25% chance of winning.
I suppose this was a turning point more than any other. If Obama had blown the second debate, Romney might have maintained his momentum and gone on to win.
But, instead, Obama gained the momentum. From the second debate forward, Obama’s lead grew slowly and steadily, and his chances of winning increased. By the last day of October, Obama hit a 95% probability of winning the election. He still had the momentum.
Hurricane Sandy made no difference whatsoever (as Mitt Romney seems to believe); nor Hurricane Christie. Obama’s win was well secured by that point.
To believe Romney had a chance was to dismiss hundreds of polls as simultaneously skewed. But, like 2008, in this election, aggregation of the state head-to-head polls gave an entirely accurate picture of the election.
At least one right-winger may have let on that he actually does understand why Romney lost:
“We’re outnumbered.”
— Rush Limbaugh, on his radio show.
I belive it was just a coincidence, but here in Washington State if the timing of the marijuana initiative and the gay marriage initiative were planned, it was pure strategic genious – a way to motivate the young people and gay community to register and mail in their ballots.
Also, the demographics are killing the Repubicans in swing states like Florida and Virginia. There’s an article on NBC.com today which details how much central Florida politics have changed over the last twenty years, and the last ten years in particular. We used to think of the hispanic community in Florida being Castro refugees and their descendents who were reliably Republican. But now we have large numbers of Mexican-Americans and Puerto Ricans who are working the orange groves and Florida’s other agricultural products, and most of them are citizens who vote.
The Republican anti-immigrant rhetoric and race-baiting hasn’t been forgotten by them, and won’t be for a long time.
Another article said that Republican donars are upset with the Romney campaign for it’s “rosey predictions” of it’s chances for success. They believe Romney should have been more honest with them as he asked them to fork over large sums of money. I think that’s pretty unrealistic of them. First of all, Romney’s always been just a step above a used-car salesman, and everyone knows that. Secondly, those donars also gave to lots of other Republican candidates, who also failed. Third – how do those guys get so much money, and manage to keep it, if they don’t do basic due diligence investigation like, gee, checking polls from other sources?
The wingies are busy convincing themselves they lost because their candidates weren’t conservative enough. Looks like 2016 is gonna be even more fun than 2012!
I just got the breaking news email from My Northwest.com that the R-74 opponents are saying it’s over in that race, by the way.
Oh, and hey guys, make sure you step up your Latino bashing! Why stop at deporting illegals? Deport them all! Make that your platform! Might as well, because they won’t vote for you anyway. That way they’ll all have to vote with overseas ballots.
In some stats, the down ballot effect on state legislatures was interesting. The GOP took both houses in Arkansas, Democrats took back the NH State House(but not the Senate), made a dent in supermajorities in Florida and Arizona.
Have been following Rove’s twist and turns as he seeks to explain to the whales how he came to blow $400 million of their dollars. Sheldon Adelson, as a casino owner, knows that sometimes the table runs against you but even he has to be wondering how they lost every bet. It would be interesting to micro analyze poll data and cross-reference poll movement with particular advertising blitzes.
Nate Silver’s analysis bears a similar message:
A more effective ground game might change some of this structural advantage, but Republicans would do far better by:
A) Ditching the Southern Strategy once and for all. It’s no longer winning elections; and
B) Figure out a way to sell the “smaller government” message that doesn’t involve pissing off middle-class white people. Pissing off middle-class white people also pisses off the poor and minorities. In other words, the “makers-vs-takers” message is a loser. Try a different tack.
@6:
Democrats also may have won a majority in the New York Senate.
The immense House in New Hampshire often swings wildly. Two years ago, it went from 216-174 Democratic (10 vacancies) to 298-102 Republican. And now, thanks in no small measure to the crazed teahadists who had been running the place, it’s flipped back to 221-178 (1 undecided).
While the NH Senate is probably still Republican (one R win will probably be subject to a recount), it’s by a 13-11 margin. That’s far better than the previous 19-5 (which was a flip from 14-10 Democratic in the previous session … 2010 was a really bad year for NH Dems).
And finally, the New Hampshire Executive Council — which is almost a co-Governor with power over expenditures, judicial appointments, and much more — went from 5-0 Republican to 3-2 Democratic.
2012 was a good year for NH Dems.
here is where i think Willard & peps have a case on Sandy…
the extreme christofacist-elephants worked so hard to keep the voter turnout white. with the voter ID laws and the misinformation sent to Donkey voters about locations and dates to vote. they fully expected it to work as in 00 & 04.
IMHO Sandy’s aftermath worked much like 9/11/01 did for W…those true low-information voter (read undecided) chose not to make any changes until the cleanup was complete.
i heard there were over a million ballots cast as provisional and not going to be counted…these coming from inner-city locations. however i have no back-up and do not know if true. if it is….i see where the Rove Suppression(tm) would have worked and his promise may have been kept.
i agree that no sane person was voting for Romney/Ryan and the election was won for POTUS when the obstructionist congress refused to pass a jobs bill in 2011.
the real issue is the suppressed vote…it is not only the 2000 & 2004 election! it has been every election since 00!! the only saving grace is that the last 2 have not really been close.
# 10: I’ve been thinking about what we need to do, as Democrats, in long-term preperation for 2016. It doesn’t really matter who the candidates will be or what issues will arise, the gound game needs to be developed early.
One of the things we need to work on is to begin preperations to win at every state, county, and precinct level. Don’t let the Republicans be able to put “water district commissioner” on their resumes. But especially, take back the Secty of State offices from Republicans. There is no excuse for a state like Ohio to have several rabidly Republican Secty of States who are willing to subvert the Democratic process by playing with voter registration rolls, allocation of polling machines, etc.
We need to start making sure – now – that the next election isn’t even close, and that every vote is counted.
I heard on the radio this morning some Republican pundit (must have been Fox News) blaming the defeat on Sandy. But he added an aside that the President’s handling of it was a “disaster, by the way”.
Yea, don’t trust your own guy on the ground. Just try to re-write history, as usual, that’s the Republican Way.
9) Sounds like a variation of Switzerland’s Federal Council, which is a collective-presidency. I always thought that New Hampshire’s odd size for a legislature was a perfect laboratory for trying out a variation of the German system of Proportional Representation, the mixed-member system, although it has been used in legislative bodies as small as the Greater London Assembly in the UK.(25 members). The Libertarians and Green Party would like it.
Karl Rove says Obama “suppressed the vote”..
http://www.politico.com/blogs/.....html?hp=f3
Too weird. From a documented vote suppressor.. Remember “voter caging”?
So according to Rove Obama “suppressed the vote” by painting Romney as a bad guy..
Oh shit.. This from the jerk who learned at the feet of Lee Atwater and Donald Segretti.
but, but, but, but Mittmentum! LOL
No chance.
Never, ever, ever had a chance.
F*cking magic math!
And via Atrios
Remember, the case to vote for Slick Willard was “leadership”. That MFer couldn’t lead a one car parade.
YLB, hey, thanks for the queries yesterday. I didn’t get around to thanking you on that thread.
Of all the absurd excuses GOPers are brandishing for the butt-kicking they took on Tuesday, this whopper tops the rest:
“Mitt Romney lost the election because President Barack Obama engaged in voter suppression, according to Republican political strategist Karl Rove.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....94459.html
Roger Rabbit Commentary: Rove apparently isn’t accusing the Democrats of passing voter ID laws, use “caging” lists and registered letters to challenge the voter registrations of minorities, trying to shorten voting hours, putting up billboards that threaten voters with prosecution for “voting fraud,” and the other things GOPers do to keep people from voting.
Rather, he’s redefining the term “vote suppression” to mean running attack ads against his party’s candidates that may have the effect of discouraging supporters from voting.
Sure, this campaign was mean and low on both sides, but it’s highly doubtful that Obama’s personal attacks on Romney’s character and business record kept any Romney supporters from voting and certainly not enough to change the election’s outcome. Which makes this a lie on multiple levels.
16 – no probs. Anything else you need shout out.
Again, all of us here on sane side of the aisle cannot thank you enough.
Nate Silver said CO was the “tipping point state”. You helped put us over the top man.
@17
Classic Rove. Attak an opponents strength.
Voter supression is a valid complaint about Republicans. Now the claim is out there that ‘both sides do it’, and the term gets devalued overall.
He makes Obama look bad, and degrades a weapon that could be used against Republicans in the future. Evil.
Schadenfreude Thursday!
In the off chance any of the Trolls are reading… you lost cuz your side is stoopid, you suk, and a bunch of community organizers know how to do math.
suk on it.
Schadenfreude Thursday!
Actually, the polls were off — but they overstated Romney, instead of overstating Obama. The RCP national polling average was Obama + 0.7, but instead the results were Obama + 2.4 (and maybe even higher, since New York and California — and Washington — still have a LOT of ballots to count, compared to everyone else). The individual state figures also seem to be off from the polling averages, in that Obama did even better in them.
If the polls had been off in the same direction, but had overstated Obama instead, then the election would have been MUCH closer, and Romney might have even eked out a narrow victory.
@8 Good advice. I’d add,
C) In doubt, ask what Abe would do and listen to the better angels of our nature.
@16 Left and right, there’s a lot of talk, but you really do walk the walk.
Havn’t seen too much on the big winner- Patty Murray! Went from a big Republican win in the Senate to…not so much. ANd who was the lead? Patty!
http://seattletimes.com/html/l.....ay08m.html
Tell me again trolls about how ineffective she is.
(un)SP is kind of fun today.
“Fox News Death Star”
Nice one, Lib Sci.
And my goodness, MikeBoyScout is taking no prisoners. Have you no mercy?
@22
Steve…go post that quote on (un)SP. Do it. Invite them to join us.
I remind myself of this.
@25,
Mercy? Did I not say it is “Schadenfreude Thursday!”
When a rat gets injured, you kill it.
@27: Why bother to worry about whether or not they are injured? Rats are, you know, vermin.
In the aftermath of a decisive rejection of the Republican Party, there will be claims that don’t stand up to scrutiny. I’m going to debunk one of them right now.
Obama’s election victory did not cause the stock market to go down.
I can prove it mathematically.
The current market selloff started weeks before the election, so it can’t possibly be a reaction to the election. It’s an ordinary correction to an overbought market.
Here’s the proof. The S&P 500 index jumped 14.3% between June 1 and Oct. 17. Since then it has trended lower, losing 5.7% as of today. Nothing unusual about this; a market that goes up that far, that fast, is bound to backslide. There’d be something wrong if it didn’t.
Here are the numbers:
S&P 500 on June 1: 1278.04
On Oct. 17: 1460.91 (net change +14.3%)
Today: 1377.51 (net change -5.7%)
In case you still don’t get it:
A stock market correction that began on Oct. 17 couldn’t be caused by an election held on Nov. 6.
Clear now?
Before some troll comes along and argues, “The stock market began going down on Oct. 17 in anticipation of Obama winnong on Nov. 6,” let me point out that damn few, if any, Romney supporters believed Romney was going to lose until it actually happened.
Just go back and read the comment threads in this blog between Oct. 17 and Nov. 6, and find me a troll who said Obama was going to win. You can’t because there isn’t one. All you’ll find is endlessly repetitious assertions that the polls were wrong.
This is some real red meat Schadenfreude.. I hope this story isn’t exposed as phony or anything like that..
and here’s the best part for me:
I left out the part about the wives which I find kind of sad..
But Ryan – oh man do I despise that tool!
Shock.. Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-25.....ed-by-loss
@30
That’s a really stunning reality that is just coming to light. They actually believed their own press releases and thought they were going to win.
It really reveals an intellectual bankruptcy and failure of critical thought.
The data was obvious. As a poll and political junkie, I went into Nov 6 fairly confident. I trusted the analysis of Darryl and Nate Silver and pollster.com – because I trust empiricism and science and rational thought. I was constantly reassuring the more casual liberals in my life that we were going to be all right – they exposed to the propaganda, the same stuff that the Rmoney guys believed themselves.
Is it a wonder that our economy imploded, when the fools with all the money are so easily snookered into believing the hype?
@30
Similarly, reading puddl’s comments, and those of the fools over at (un)SP, the emerging meme is to take every announcement of any kind of job layoff or office or plant closing beginning 11/7 and attribute it to ‘producers’ reacting to Obama’s win.
This whole ‘producer’=greedy fuck who steals workers’ wealth is incredibly toxic and obnoxious.
Romney ‘Shellshocked’ By Loss
“As Republicans search for reasons why they came up short in Tuesday’s elections, anonymous Mitt Romney advisers have described what it was like to be with the former governor as he came to terms with his loss. ‘He was shellshocked,’ one adviser told CBS News. …
“Romney was stoic as he talked to the president, an aide said, but his wife Ann cried. … Paul Ryan seemed genuinely shocked, the adviser said. Ryan’s wife Janna also was shaken and cried softly.”
But here’s the really amazing part:
“Another unnamed senior adviser explained that as returns came in and battleground states went into President Barack Obama’s … column, they felt their paths to … victory narrowing … the campaign was unprepared for this … because it had ignored polling that showed the races favoring Obama. Instead, it turned to its own internal ‘unskewed’ polls, which it believed more accurately reflected the situation on the ground. They didn’t.”
They believed their own lies.
Amazing. Just fucking amazing!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....d%3D232168
Roger Rabbit Commentary: These people, it appears, actually believe they can make their own lies become true by constant repetition. They were, we now learn, “genuinely shocked” when their self-deluding lies turned out to be untrue.
Waad apps?
“Romney was stoic as he talked to the president, an aide said, but his wife Ann cried. … Paul Ryan seemed genuinely shocked, the adviser said. Ryan’s wife Janna also was shaken and cried softly.”
I bet the moronic asshat moron would appreciate this:
Not gloating over grieving women, which I find very sad. No, not by any stretch.
Just mocking the cement-head mentality of the most head-up-his-ass idiot who has ever trolled these threads.
You reap what you sow, jerk.
“Romney was stoic as he talked to the president, an aide said, but his wife Ann cried. … Paul Ryan seemed genuinely shocked, the adviser said. Ryan’s wife Janna also was shaken and cried softly.”
That cite as sad as it is for those women reminds me of certain cruel pleasures that a particular idiot troll has shamefully wanked himself to.
Well dunceman, about DEM layoffs.. it was threatened Obummercare was an onerous smell, so now it’s happening…
Elections have consequences. That’s what you people wanted so the people have spoken.
Puddy pretty sure some of those CEO’s etc… are DUMMOCRAPT! Reality is reality!
Remember Romney had a plan… No one saw Obummer’s plan… wait a minute 2 weeks ago… it was more of the same. Harry Reid wants to add $2.4 Trillion to the debt ceiling. He’s bragging about it Wednesday. US Credit rating will drop from AA+. Your personal purchasing power will drop. Overseas the Dollar will become junk. This means gas prices will go higher libtards. Luckily for Puddy my job pays almost all my gas so no skin off my nose or many $$$ from my wallet. So Puddy keeps his gas guzzler rolling along.
Elections have consequences. That’s what you people wanted so the people have spoken. Enjoy it.
Watch unemployment jump back over 8% and higher.
@36 The economy has been slowing for months, dumbass! Don’t you ever read any financial news? What happens when sales drop and profits decline? Businesses lay off workers. This has nothing to do with the election. Businesses are reducing headcount because the business isn’t there.
And where did the customers go? Do you need to ask?
Vultures like Mittster stripped assets, fired workers, and dumped the carcasses of companies on bankruptcy courts. America’s overpaid CEOs systematically broke unions, took away benefits, and beat down wages. And we ended up with a hollowed-out middle class as a result.
Do you need to ask where the customers went?
Republicans destroyed their own businesses by destroying their customers. That’s why businesses are laying off workers instead of hiring them. And the more they layoff, the more their sales will sink, and the faster their businesses will go down the toilet.
The fact blockheads like you can’t understand what caused this explains everything.
Oh yeah, one more thing, after they’ve taken away your job, health benefits, and pension — everything you have — they have the fucking nerve to call you a “taker.”
On Tuesday, you sent them a message. The message was this:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-B0Nq.....ird-lb.jpg
5 Myths That Got Busted Tuesday
1. Elections don’t matter
2. Young people don’t vote
3. White men rule the world
4. Fox News is good for the GOP
5. Social media is just about binders and Big Bird
http://politicalticker.blogs.c.....hpt=hp_bn3
This election has many ramifications. One is the decline of the Religious Right. Discredited by their goose-stepping support of America’s worst president, George W. Bush, their candidates and causes lost across the board in voting booths on Tuesday. But the damage goes much deeper than election losses. Churches that adulterated religion with politics are paying a steep price. Attendance is at an all-time low and legions of young Americans repulsed by the hypocrisy of politicized religion are choosing to be atheists — religion itself has been discredited because too many pulpits were abused for too long. If religion is to survive in America churches must purge politics from their liturgy and get back to the basics of teaching the Bible and preaching Christian principles. That’s my take.
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/.....hpt=hp_bn3
Why They Lost
“This was an election they could have won. They blew it by indulging in pathological partisanship and ideological hubris.”
http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/08/.....?hpt=hp_t2
Off topic, but f*cking hillarious
John the rape thing Koster’s pre-concession letter
Shorter John the rape thing Koster:
No redistribution came my way so America has failed teabagging woman hating conservatism, and therefore SOSHULEEZIM!
They really are that stupid.
@43
Seems self-awareness, irony and the danger of self-parody are completely lost on them.
I think there must be something genetic, and that people predisposed to fearing change, to greed, with empathy deficits, no sense of humor, a need for authority and an inability to grasp irony all combine in various degrees to produce Republicans.
Seems puddl’s hero, crazyman and LOSER Allen West, is refusing to concede defeat in FL-18 and is demanding a recount that the law does not entitle him too. Figures.
Boorish, insane, offensive asshole just doesn’t know when to slink out of town. Court hearing today, apparently – hopefully he gets smacked down – HARD!
Poor puddl, no more Allen West, very, very soon.
Funny cartoon:
http://images1.dailykos.com/i/.....kos-87.jpg
$325 million for rich right winger’s snake oil. Love it.
So much for the window of bipartisanship.
How petty, intransigent, and weasely pathetic the GOP act when they don’t get their way.
Where’s that miserable Wyoming harlequin Jerry?
How’d that Fast ‘n Furious/Solyndra crap work out for you?
How’d your mancrushes on Issa and Ryan work out?
crickets..
Free Stuff!!!!
I was stunned at that. Your President calls, on election night, and you won’t take the call?
I hope this slap in the face wakes Obama up and helps get him past the whole conciliatory bullshit that he indulged in first term. I hope this pisses him off and is a dose of the reality we’re all up against.
I’ve been doing a bunch of posting over at (un)SP the last few days – can’t help myself!
What I’m struck by, besides the inane ‘maker/taker’, ‘free stuff’ mythology that they insist on indulging in, is the quaint delicacy of their discourse.
They’re perfectly fine with calling gay people foul names, and vilifying their enemies, but they get the absolute vapors over saying ‘shit’ or ‘fuck’.
To the point that one guy spells ‘shitty’ as ‘sh1tty’, as if putting that ‘1’ there in place of the ‘i’ somehow defuses it or makes it OK. They have a very very weird sense of form and substance, and are very very attached to their appearances and myths – which is exactly what got them into trouble Tuesday.
Wonder if they’ll ever wake up?
@ 51
Wonder if they’ll ever wake up?
See @ 49.
“The conservative followership has been fleeced, exploited and lied to by the conservative entertainment complex.” — David Frum
The full video is here.
@7 Maybe if David Koch is paying attention to any of this, it might occur to him that if instead of blowing hundreds of millions of dollars trying to elect radical candidates to office he could simply add that much to his already ample donations to medical reseach. Presumably the NIH budget could be reduced by a corresponding amount. If he really wants government to take a “smaller role”, that would be a far more effective strategy.
Absolutely, Puddy.
You are completely correct, my man.
Spot on, baby.
Clearly, the Republicans were not conservative enough.
We’re gonna be in trouble in 2014.
Coal CEO Fires Workers, Blames Obama
Robert E. Murray, the swinish CEO of Murray Energy who blamed a mine collapse that killed 6 miners on an earthquake that geologists said didn’t happen, sued a newspaper report for criticizing him, and is a prominent global warming denier and GOP donor, laid off 160 coal miners today — and delivered the news to employees in the form of a prayer that blamed the job losses on Obama.
“The American people have made their choice. They have decided that America must change its course, away from the principals [sic] of our Founders,” Murray said in the prayer … delivered in a meeting with staff members earlier this week. “Lord, please forgive me and anyone with me in Murray Energy Corporation for the decisions that we are now forced to make to preserve the very existence of any of the enterprises that you have helped us build.”
http://money.cnn.com/2012/11/0.....?hpt=hp_t2
Roger Rabbit Commentary: What a jerk. This freebooter is a relic from the 19th century when markets were rigged, workers were exploited, and safety and environmental laws didn’t exist. Why anyone would want to risk his life working for him is a mystery.
An energy-sector Cassandra says the shale gas boom is an illusion that won’t last 10 years.
I don’t know if he’s a Paul Revere or a crank, but if he’s right, consumers will take it in the shorts again when the shale gas runs out.
http://seekingalpha.com/articl.....#038;ifp=0
David Petraeus’ paramour:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-IEls.....adwell.jpg
What actress does she remind you of?
Conspiracy theories are flying like crazy. Puddydope will be filling us in soon.
Butt,
I understand she had access to his CIA e-mail account which is a big time NO-NO..
Goodbye to the man on horseback for now..
I’m sure the neo-cons and their billionaire pals will try to hoist him back on the saddle for 2016.
Speaking of Allen West… DUMMOCRAPT shenanigans are in place as always…
You see dipshit dunceman… even the local press is getting involved because they smell a sham. 4400 vote swing on a closed door recount?
Yeah that’s the DUMMOCRAPT way!
Today’s latest layoffs… mostly due to ObummerCare.
Elections have consequences. That’s what you people wanted so the people have spoken. Enjoy it.
BTW Obummer’s sadministration has issued 6126 new job killing regulations in the last 90 Days. Seems Obummer really cares about the middle class. That averages over 65+ per day including weekends.
Elections have consequences. That’s what you people wanted so the people have spoken. Enjoy it.
@59
I’m not sure how many more years of gas we have in those wells, but a lot of the companies doing the drilling are heavily capitalized and once those wells peak the production fall off is going to be fast and steep. That’s not a recipe for long term success.
@63 where Uncle Puddles demonstrates even a broken clock is right twice a day
“Elections have consequences.“
Uncle Puddles,
What pisses off a Wingnut like you more?
– (a) The fellow wingnuts who comment on the internet like you who didn’t donate a dollar or even an hour to defeat the Black Socialist Moolum Kenyan Usurper?
OR
– (b) The way every dollar and hour you gave to the Romney/Ryan/Republican campaigns was futile and wasted in WA state and across the nation because of poor management?
Free Stuff!!!
@67 Asshole!
Straight up brother!
There are “takers” and there are givers!
Mitt Romney’s campaign has paid $134.2 million to political firms with ties to his senior staff, for consulting and other services.
That ain’t my money that went to Romney/Ryan’s con job!
How about you? Did you give to Romney/Ryan to defeat Obama?
Or do you just wank off?
I see puddl is transiting the various stages of wingnut grief…he’s more to feed the fires of impotent rage…
Judge laughs Allen West out of Palm Beach Court
Of course they did. Life inside the bubble.
fReE sTuFf!!
I see also that puddle is broadcasting a meme same as Ragnarwhatshisname over at (un)SP…they clearly get their ideas from the same Wingnut High Command…right wing assholes are firing workers and blaming Obama.
More evidence that Republicans are traitors. They are willing to say anything, harm anyone, destroy the ecomony, so that they can have power.
FREE stuff!!!