Big plans for Wisconsin

Protests continue today.

Moderate Republicans are trying to put together a compromise. Even so, the Republicans may start passing non-fiscal legislation (that doesn’t require a quorum) as a threat bargaining tactic:

And one of those [bargaining] chips may be a bill to require voters to show ID at the polls – a change Republicans have long wanted and Democrats fear will disenfranchise voters.

Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald (R-Juneau) on Monday said Republicans who control the Legislature may bring that bill to the floor if Democrats continue to boycott Senate sessions for much longer. Democrats went to Illinois Thursday to prevent passage of the bill on union rights.

Of course…the Republicans can pass that legislation anyway, and they no doubt will, so it doesn’t seem like much of an incentive.

Wisconsin’s Republican Senators need to quit being whimps. They need to think BIG. Given Walker’s credentials as a good God-fearing Republican extremist (e.g. on reproductive rights), Republicans should use the absence of the Democrats to make a few adjustments in Wisconsin.

Here are some “bargaining chips” the Senate could work on, inspired by fellow Republicans around the country:

And that’s the week one agenda.

Oh, one other thing…rename the state Wississippi.

Update: Oops…I forgot one other of piece of legislation for the Republican’s gonzo week agenda: Weaken child labor laws. This legislation might spark controversy among the Wisconsin Republicans. Some lawmakers would still support Wississippi; others would push for Wiscongladesh.


  1. 1

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Moammar Ghaddafi is using jet fighters and helicopter gunships to strafe unarmed protesters. If Gov. Walker really wants to be remembered as the P.T. Barnum of the Tea Party movement, he should go Ghaddafi one better and order the Wisconsin National Guard to drop a tactical nuke on the University of Wisconsin campus to wipe out all those hippie graduate student teaching assistants who don’t like the idea of working under Alabama-style labor laws.

  2. 2

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wisconsin’s GOP legislature passed tax breaks for dairy farmers today. That’s how they’re solving their “budget crisis.”

  3. 3

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    These antics are brought to you by the political party whose candidates go around saying “civil war” should be “on the table” if they don’t get their way.

    The last time I knew people who think like that was when I was in first grade.

  4. 4

    Steve spews:

    I reckon the odds are I won’t be around to see the ultimate end-game that decides the fate of our nation. But my hope is that Americans, whether they be left, right or indifferent, live to see better days than they know now.

  5. 5

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    I’m sure the only acceptable voter ID will be a Republican Party membership card. It’s not hard to figure out why these Stalinists don’t want anyone except Republicans to be able to vote in Wisconsin.

  6. 7

    John425 spews:

    Only a desperate, sick, fuckhead Democrat would publish a list like that. Looks like “progressives” have teamed up with the KKK–again!

  7. 8

    Blue John spews:

    @7. Don’t you hate it when your own party’s choices make you look stupid. It’s got to really burn to support those republicans, year in and year out, and all they do is use culture war issues to avoid dealing with their part in shrinking middle class and the destruction of the economy.

  8. 9

    Blue John spews:

    From the link about weakening child labor laws. Some parents said….

    Well, I have two children and I sure… wouldn’t want them to work, you know, under fourteen,” said parent Bill Massey.

    Another parent said she believes some children may mature faster and could work earlier. However, she is still uncertain about the new bill.

    Ohhhh. The mind boggles at this. So as long as the kid is big enough, they can work? As long it doesn’t LOOK like child labor it’s OK? Why should kids who reach puberty late be punished?

  9. 10

    workersofthefreedomnojusticenocoexist spews:




  10. 11

    samson shillitoe -- 'I still got it!' spews:

    “•Allow people to carry guns at State universities and colleges.”

    Why not allow them to pack heat at legislative sessions, as well. The legislators can arm themselves and that should be sufficient deterrent for some heavily armed madman.

  11. 12

    What do you expect spews:

    Since when do Republicans agree with chipping away at pensions? These are contracts. When we talked about reducing Wall Street bonuses for millionaires, we were told that we CAN NOT interfere in an existing contract! They were PROMISED these bonuses and damn it, they’re gonna get them!

    So what’s different here? Some guy goes to work for the state of Wisconsin in 1970, was promised (contractually) a pension. He goes to retire and now has Republicans telling him the state budget is HIS fault! Why? Because our population is aging (more retires and less workers). Clearly his fault. Because the state legislatures choose not to put the required amount of money IN the pension funds throughout the last 40 years (and now owe that back). Clearly his fault. Because Wall Street firms (the ones that DO get their contractual bonuses) lied and committed fraud bundling toxic junk mortgages as AAA rated prime securities and sold them to state pension funds (who thought AAA was good) and lost billions. Clearly his fault.

    So you can SEE the Republican point of view. The folks who work for a living for 40 years and go to retire are the ones to blame. Not the Wall Street liars and cheats who CREATED this entire economic implosion to begin with. The working folks get screwed and the billionaires and millionaires are handed enormous government bailouts and allowed to flat out cheat and lie and KEEP their money. Just like normal.

  12. 13

    Don Joe spews:

    Hate to tell you this Darryl, but there might well be less hyperbole in your post than you thought. See this item about the sale of energy assets in Gov. Walker’s budget fix:

    The bill would allow for the selling of state-owned heating/cooling/power plants without bids and without concern for the legally-defined public interest.

    The article goes on to point out exactly who would benefit most from these no-bid contracts, and the answer, not surprisingly, doesn’t include actual Wisconsin citizens.

  13. 14

    proud leftist spews:

    Remarkable. How the hell did a state as sensible as Wisconsin get so hoodwinked by these ideological lunatics?

  14. 15

    Blue John spews:

    Well, two questions.
    Did they lie to get into office and then do something else?
    Or did they tell the truth, and the voters are so desperate, so tired, so scared that they didn’t listen?

    Walker’s behavior actually reinforces the meme that all government is corrupt and incompetent, making it even harder for the competent, trustworthy progressive to get elected, because it will be assumed he’s lying.

  15. 16

    lauramae spews:

    I think people vote for what ever the opposite party is when they are scared about what is currently happening. I don’t discount the same thing happening in Washington in 2012.

    I’m sure he ran a campaign that portrayed him as a reasonable sort of guy. Voters often don’t inform themselves of who the candidate really is. And if the campaign is well-funded by people experienced in hoodwinking the general public into voting against their own self interests (Koch brothers) then I’m afraid impressionable voters don’t have a chance.

  16. 17

    ld spews:

    14 oh when all the auto workers jobs got eliminated, and yet the State County and City were getting raises. THat might have been part of the issue… Just guessing…DUH

  17. 19

    Solomon Grundy with a stand up triple spews:


    sounds like a whole lot of guessing and speculating to me.

    in other words, you dont have a damn clue what was said in the WI election.

  18. 20

    Solomon Grundy with a stand up triple spews:

    besides…..I dont hear none of you frothing at the OUTRIGHT LIES that spewed out of the queen of washington’s mouth during her last election.

    “we dont have a budget problem”…..lmfao.

    “now is not the time to raise taxes”…lmfao

  19. 22

    slingshot spews:

    @18, There’s the typical Republican sociopathic reaction to factual reality. Fingers in the ears shouting blah, blah, blah like an impudent toddler. That’s not a highly intelligent debate tactic.

    It’s the same reaction you clowns have when the disaster of two terms of Bush-Cheney is mentioned. I pity you and understand why you have to seek solace in denial; I would too if I’d have been stupid enough to have supported them.

  20. 23

    ld spews:

    The disaster of One term of Obama Biden is enough to make anyone puke. Debts Debts Debts, Federal, State and city wide, as far as the eyes can see.

  21. 24

    Steve spews:

    @17 Out of curiosity, does being so damned fucking stupid as you are cause your head to hurt?

  22. 25


    23. ld spews:

    The disaster of One term of Obama Biden is enough to make anyone puke. Debts Debts Debts, Federal, State and city wide, as far as the eyes can see.

    02/21/2011 at 7:06 pm

    This moron is too fucking stupid to know how fucking stupid he really is.

  23. 27

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    Actually I think we should all just sit back, play our lyre and sing.

    I mean, don’t the Koch bro-s do enough for education by underwriting some shows on PBS and creating the David H. Koch Dinosaur Wing at the American Museum of Natural History?

  24. 28

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    “Scott Walker, the Governor of Wisconsin who is spearheading the GOP effort to crush collective bargaining, lavished relatively large salary increases on his staff when he was chief executive of the Milwaukee County Board. Walker surreptitiously did this in 2008 – without the approval of the county board itself and at a time that the county was facing a fiscal deficit, and Walker was about to lay off a large number of union workers. In addition, 700 county positions had already been left vacant due to budgetary pressures.

    “According to a 2008 Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel (MJS) article,which exposed Walker’s illicit personal staff raises, one aide was to achieve a 26% increase – solely initiated and approved by Walker – even though the staffer, Tom Nardelli, was to receive tax-payer funded pensions that would exceed $35,700 a year. A member of the Milwaukee County Board of Supervisors called Nardelli’s salary increase “obscene,” according to the MJS.”

  25. 29

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Many people are dead in Christchurch, New Zealand, after the city was shaken by a very violent earthquake today that toppled buildings and split roads open.

  26. 30

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Crude oil prices jumped over $8 today to almost $98 a barrel because of unrest in Libya.

  27. 31


    26. Solomon Grundy with a stand up triple spews:


    fuck dude, you’re one to talk.

    02/21/2011 at 7:48 pm

    Oh yeah…this one’s another real brain surgeon.

  28. 32

    Deathfrogg spews:

    People, Jesus. Give it up.

    Id, Ray Charles, Solomon Grundy, Puddy etc are shills. They are coming in here to put us off having real discussions about shit. They are liars, and fascists.

    But thats redundant. I would not be surprised to find out they are being paid by someone to come into places like this and tell their lies.

    The reality is that now we are in a nation where the “conservatives” have embraced everything the Germans and Italians and Spanish did in the 1920’s and 30’s. They don’t even deny it anymore.

    So, with that in mind, how are we liberal folks going to counter this lunatic mob? Facts don’t matter to them.

    Rational discourse is not their purpose for coming in here. They come in to lie. To inflame. To instigate. They are the believers in might makes right. That they can get what they want by making rather implicit threats of violence or repeating an obvious falsehood over and over and over until folks like us are ready to punch them out. Because we know they are lying, and they know that we know it.

    But thats what they want. Their purpose is to incite violence. To incite that anger. Because they know full well, there is no way for intelligent, educated people to counter such lies without forcing them to shut up.

    The problem with liars, is they are pathological, they may or may not believe what they say, but they would rather be martyred against a wall, than admit they are lying. They then use this emotion to claim victimhood, to claim that they are the ones being threatened. It’s manipulation. It is very deliberate, and willful.

    So why try to counter the rhetoric made by these assholes? Whats the point? All they are is dickheads. They are wanna-be mass murderers. But they have to provoke attack to justify it, and if they cannot, they will manufacture the appearance of it. They are inciters of riots. They are arsonists.

    They’re crazy people. It’s too bad this sort of mental illness is allowed to go unchecked. I don’t even know if such a permanent state of pure assholishness is diagnosable, or classifiable.

    So, fuck them. If they come in here to argue, ignore them. They aren’t worth the time.

  29. 33

    Lifetoadd spews:

    “I would not be surprised to find out they are being paid by someone to come into places like this and tell their lies.”

    You’ve got to be kidding? No one gives two shits and a nickel about this virtual dive bar, so why would anyone be stupid enough to pay someone to post here?

    I think you need your foil hat adjusted you looney little turd.

  30. 34

    Solomon Grundy with a stand up triple spews:


    yep…a brain surgeon who has accomplished more already than you ever will….and had a hell of a fun time doing it.

    sucker……go back to breaking church windows.

  31. 35

    proud leftist spews:

    Zotz @ 21
    Excellent piece. What we also must remember is that the right hates labor because these folks are fundamentally anti-egalitarian. Rightwingers like being told what to do from someone above. They need that, as thinking for themselves scares the holy shit out of them. It’s how they see their god–issuing commands, making sure they don’t have to think for themselves, providing them with certitude when facts suggest doubt. Because organized labor challenges the authority of those who command, the rightwing hates organized labor. A few should lead, the rest should follow. Some are meant to spread crumbs and others are meant to sweep up crumbs. That belief is at the heart of the GOP’s never-ending assault on organized labor.

  32. 38

    Solomon Grundy with a stand up triple spews:


    thats pretty funny, coming from someone who needs mommy govt to think for him, take care of him, and coddle him from cradle to grave.

    damn, if ever there was an example of self projection, you just fucking nailed it!

  33. 39

    Solomon Grundy with a stand up triple spews:


    Global warming is responsible for the earthquake..which means its all TEH EVUL BUSHIES FAWLTE!!!!11111

  34. 40

    Steve spews:

    @32 I respect your comment, Deathfrogg. For my part, I do have an ignore list of trolls. I no longer respond to, or even acknowledge, Puddy’s comments, and haven’t for quite some time. But I readily admit to you that lately I’ve slipped with a few others that I had put on my list. For reasons of my own, “Max”, now known as Solomon Grundy with a stand up triple, is not on that list, nor do I intend to ever see him on that list. If any of my other friends here don’t like it, I’m sorry, but that’s just too bad.

    heh- Hey, Max! Bawk, bawk! George Soros! Bawk, bawk!

  35. 41

    Steve spews:

    @21 Excellent link, Zotz. If you all haven’t checked it out, you really should. And speaking of that link, were there ever any slaves in Oregon?? Hmm, I’m gonna have to Google that one.

  36. 42

    proud leftist spews:

    Is it self-delusion, madness, idiocy, or something else entirely that could lead Maxie to think he does anything other than parrot wingnut talking points? I don’t remember the dumb bastard ever articulating an independent thought. But, maybe that’s just me . . .

  37. 44

    Farley Mowat spews:

    Kos has a different take on this.

    1) Koch Brothers get their puppet Governor Walker in power
    2) Governor Walker gins up a crisis
    3) Democrats and Progressives take the bait and counter-protest on collective bargaining
    4) Governor Walker will compromise on collective bargaining if the rest of the budget is passed as is
    5) Bill passes, with trojan horse give-a-way to the Koch Brothers nested in
    6) Koch Brothers will buy Wisconsin state-owned power plants for pennies on the dollar in closed unsolicitated bids for which there will be no oversight
    7) Koch Brothers get the best vertical monopoly in a generation

  38. 45

    Solomon Grundy with a stand up triple spews:

    koch brothers! bawk bawk! koch brothers! bawk bawk!

    the koch brothers boogeymen are gonna get ya!

  39. 48

    Solomon Grundy with a stand up triple spews:


    proud commie…I dont think you would know an independent thought if it bitch slapped in you in the face.

    proud commie seems like of those unhappy chaps who takes this blogging thing a wee bit too seriously.

    I mean really…who the hell has time to hang out on other blogs, “spar” with people, and then report back to the HA blog?



    and stevo….thanks for the kind words…you are one of the few that sees things for what they are – and you know what I mean…..first beer is on me at the golf course.

  40. 49

    Steve spews:

    @41 Actually, behind the troll facade I suspect there’s an independent thinker who gets a kick dishing it out to leftists on this very leftist site. I suppose I wouldn’t be at all surprised to learn someday that Max gives wingnuts a dose of his venom on some wingnut site.

    That’s not my style, and I hope you know that. I try to be as upfront as possible about my views, who and what I am, and the difficult times that shaped me into the man I have become, whatever that is. Most days I really don’t know what that is. I hope that God sees that I’ve sided with the have-nots, those yearning to live free and to live a decent, better life than they’ve been able to know. Those are the people who I hope that I’d willingly die for if it would change their lives for the better. And yet I have good friends of all stripes, including some who couldn’t give a rat’s ass about those people whose very hard and difficult lives move me so deeply. I’m not saying that Max is like that. But I see something I like. Maybe it’s a mean streak that reminds me of my own. I should say that’s something I don’t particularly like about myself.

    I hope that made some sense. I know you’ve wondered about it.

  41. 50

    Solomon Grundy with a stand up triple spews:

    I suppose I wouldn’t be at all surprised to learn someday that Max gives wingnuts a dose of his venom on some wingnut site.

    uh oh, Steve might be on to something…..

    Steve, we both know that the far right and far left are full of a bunch of tools….and there are many tools at this site.

  42. 53

    Steve spews:

    @45 Damn, but you crack me up! See you at the course. heh- I’m inspired to get my game in sufficient shape that I can give your independent-thinking ass the thorough ass-whupping you deserve! Diss my leftist friends, will you? Just wait. heh- I’ll sink a birdie putt and I’ll be like, “That was for Proud Leftist, you SOB!!”

    Later, friend.

  43. 56

    helpmerhonda spews:

    i’m sure President Obama is glad he weighed in on this. Since klynical isn’t around anymore, i’ll do the honors.

    Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
    Tuesday, February 22, 2011

    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 21% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-one percent (41%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -20.
    That’s the lowest level of Strong Approval yet recorded for President Obama and the lowest Approval Index rating since November.
    Republicans have a nine-point advantage over Democrats on the Generic Congressional Ballot.

  44. 57

    slingshot spews:

    Any idea who’s paying for the banner add at the top of this page at present which seeks supporters to stand with Governor Walker against the unions?

  45. 58

    rhp6033 spews:

    # 56: Rasmussen’s “Daily Tracking Poll” of approval ratings have proven themselves to be completely meaningless. You could get better numbers by pulling them out of your hat, and that includes the scap of paper that has the hat size included on it.

    Rasmussen consistently rates Republicans higher in polls, and Democrats lower in polls, until the final 48 hours before an election, in which it then “adjusts” the numbers so it is pretty close to what all the other polls are saying. Then it argues that it’s final results were just about equal with the final tally, so it advertises that as it’s accuracy figure. Any big changes caused by the “adjustment” it just passes off as a last-minute swing by the voters.

    So even if Rasmussen is wrong 363 days out of the year, it tries to promote the two days of the year in which it is is within the same margin of error as other polling as reflecting it’s accuracy.

    Rasmussen’s numbers DO show more accurate results when it’s forced to do it’s polling in conjunction with another organization with professional pollsters, who are keeping a close watch on methodology. But those numbers always seem like “outliers” when compared with the most of Rasmussen’s polling.

  46. 59

    Steve spews:

    John Hindrocket:

    It is infuriating to see our President weighing in on behalf of overpaid, underworked and greedy members of public employee unions. They are among the more privileged members of our society, but, as full partners in the Democrats’ scheme to suck up ever more money even if it bankrupts the country, they have Obama’s complete support.

    WTF? Last I heard, you dumbfuck Galtian wingnuts believed that greed is good. Or does that only apply to you and your heroes, the Wall Street derivative traders and the Koch brothers?

  47. 60


    Honest Abe, one of the founding fathers of the Republicans, would be called a “tool” by tehchickenshit (and his spiritual father Dori Monson):

    That’s when Lincoln determined to keep the legislature in session in order to buy precious time for the bank to find a way to survive, and that’s how he jumped into the national limelight on December 5, 1840. On that date, the Democrats proposed an early adjournment, knowing this would bring a speedy end to the State Bank. The Whigs tried to counter by leaving the capitol building before the vote, but the doors were locked. That’s when Lincoln made his move. He headed for the second story, opened a window and jumped to the ground!

  48. 61

    Steve spews:

    Dumbfuck teabaggers. Living proof that a sucker is born every minute. You’re being played for fools.

  49. 63

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    News sources report the Somali pirates killed the four Americans (including a Seattle couple) aboard a hijacked yacht. A tailing U.S. warship responded with military force and captured 13 pirate survivors (6 pirates are dead). I say bring in to the U.S. for trial and give ‘em all the death penalty. The park an aircraft carrier off the coast of Somalia and reduce the pirate towns to cinders. It’s time to stop pussyfooting around with these murderers.

  50. 64

    rhp6033 spews:

    Zotz # 21: The link was a good article, worth reading. But I would add that slavery wasn’t just about the theft of labor through slavery. It was an attempt to duplicate the manorial society of 1700’s Britain in the American south.

    In Britain, the land was closely controlled by the Crown. William the Conquerer divided England into estates which he parcelled out to his loyal knights. With the estates came the right to receive rents, and control over the peasants who were supposed to work the lands and pay the rents. A peasant was effectively tied to the land, since he had nowhere else to go, except to live in the forest as an outlaw. In return, the nobility had to give allegience to the king, and govern his territory in such a way that when called upon by the king, he could assemble a sufficiently large army led by professional soldiers (knights), men-at-arms, and a peasant infantry which could at least swing an axe or were practiced archers. If the nobility failed in this task, the king could take the property back and give it to another under escheate proceedings – basically under a charge of treason.

    Of course, by the 1700’s the nobility retained the priviledges of controlling the estates and receiving rents, and serving in the House of Lords, but without those pesky requirements of maintaining an army on their own. That had changed to a rather modest taxation on the lands which was rendered to the king, who would then raise an army and navy of his own. Of course, those taxes would be ultimately paid by the peasant classes who would deliver it in the form of rents to the nobility.

    But the important point here is that the peasant class was still tied to the land. This meant that the nobility could pretty much treat them however they wanted to, under threat of eviction if they didn’t comply. Eviction was a terrible sentence to impose upon a family, it meant removal not only from a home and lands, it meant that they were consigned to a life of poverty traveling the roadways form one town to another, begging for food and taking the occassional odd jobs from merchants doing the work the merchant’s family and servants considered too unpleasant to do themselves.

    So being a noble in 1700’s Britain was a pretty good deal. The servants were polite and fawning to a fault, afraid that the slightest incurrence of displeasure would send them out the door. Their biggest problems were traversing the intriquite politics of society and the king’s court, all their other needs and wants were provided to them instantly. They insisted that they were superior by birth to those around them, and further insisted that no one question that concept.

    And so beginning with the settlers in S. Carolina and the Cavaliers in Virginia, the British transplants attempted to re-create that society in America. But their early attempts were frustrated by a simple factor. In Britain, there was very little available land for purchase, and lots of available workers. But in America, there was LOTS of land, and a shortage of workers. It’s awfully hard to keep workers tied to the land and sufficiently cowed if they can simply leave their employment and move elsewhere to go to work for themselves.

    Of course, they tried. First, they tried endentured servitude, but at the end of their endenture (or sometimes before), the servants would simply leave and go elswhere where the pay and conditions were better, or to seek their own land elsewhere. They finally settled on the import of African slaves, who were forbidden under force of law to go or do anything other than what their masters commanded.

    Of course, as capitalism arose in the 1800’s the issue of slavery vs. hired labor came to a head, and slavery (as an institution) lost. But the Republicans have never ceased to try to regain the modern equivilent of the manoral system.

    Today it looks different, of course. Instead of manor houses and estates, they have mini-mansions and businesses. Instead of hired household servants which live on the premises, they have Merry Maids (TM), landscape contractors, etc. to maintain their house and lawns. Their businesses seek to get rid of unions, which have the pesky habit of wanting to have a say in wages and working conditions. They try their best to break the union or rely on out-sourcing to do the same thing.

    But what they really want is a bunch of servants, either out-sourced of real, stepping and a’ fetching, cowering, and telling them how great and smart and charitable they are. They don’t want pesky union workers to remind them that they are screwing up the business big-time, or insisting on seeing the books before they agree to wage or benefit concessions, etc.

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    NEVER FORGET. The sacrifices made by those long departed for what we take for granted today:

    By Monday, these numbers had increased to over 14,000 workers that gathered at the Milwaukee Iron Company rolling mill in Bay View. They were met by 250 National Guardsmen under order from Republican Governor Jeremiah M. Rusk to “shoot to kill” any strikers who attempted to enter. Workers camped in the nearby fields and the Kosciuszko Militia arrived by May 4. Early the next day the crowd, which by this time contained children, approached the mill and were fired upon. Seven people died as a result, including a thirteen-year-old boy.[1] Several more were injured during the protest.

    Imagine that, back in the bad old days, some “tools” fought for an 8 hour work day!

  52. 67

    rhp6033 spews:

    YLB @ 60: I’m currently reading “A Team of Rivals” by Prof. Goodwin, a great primer on both Lincoln and his rivals in the 1860 presidential contest. I’m pretty impressed with Lincoln the politician, he was far more than the simple “rail splitter” his campaign tried to portray him.

    I’m also impressed by the extent to which the Republicans of the late 1850’s actually resemble the Democrats of today. Their insistence on “internal improvements”, the restriction of slavery, and protecting the rights of naturalized citizens seems more like a modern-day Democratic party platform than a Republican one. It seems the Republicans did a 180 degree turn sometime shortly after the Teddy Roosevelt administration, and haven’t changed since. The Democrats did their own 180 degree turn during the early 1960’s with respect to equal rights. Funny how these things change over the years, despite both parties trying to trace back their origins to the founding fathers.

  53. 68


    67 – Lincoln was a genius at politics. Always at a disadvantage and almost always ending up outsmarting everyone – especially those in his own party.

    Obama is greatly inspired by Lincoln but sadly has yet to prove that he is as nearly equal to our times as Lincoln was to his.

  54. 69

    Steve spews:

    “Imagine that, back in the bad old days, some “tools” fought for an 8 hour work day!”

    heh- Lazy, greedy bastards, no doubt.

  55. 70

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @67 And now the teahadists want to take apart the Union that Lincoln fought so hard to preserve.

  56. 71

    rhp6033 spews:

    By the way….

    Henry Ford sometimes gets credit for improving the pay of his workers so that they could afford to buy his cars, and limiting their workers to an 8-hour workday, and giving his workers the week between Christmas and New Year’s off. His supporters always argued that he did that without being forced to do so by the unions.

    But historians who have studied the issue found that Ford was far from the kindly boss who was looking out for his workers. He raised their pay not because he wanted them to be able to buy his cars, but because the work quotas imposed on them on the assembly lines were so onerous that he couldn’t keep good workers for very long. He was forced to raise the pay in order to compensate. Likewise, the 8-hour day wasn’t for the benefit of the employees, it was so he could install a third shift, which required the 1st & 2nd shifts to be reduced from ten hours a day to eight, with the third shift taking up the remainin eight hours of the day. This also had the effect of reducing the workload to barely tolerable conditions. Finally, the week off after Christmas wasn’t for the employee’s benefit, but was because the plant was being closed each year for re-tooling. During that time Ford decided how many workers he was going to need the next year, and published layoff notices at the plant gate. Many workers spent a nervous Christmas, never knowing if they would be working again after next week.

    When Unions did attempt to organize, Ford hired thugs to attack the workers.

  57. 72

    proud leftist spews:

    Ford’s ties to fascism, and admiration for Hitler’s Germany, are also well-documented.

  58. 73

    Deathfrogg spews:

    @ 72

    As for Ford, Adolph Hitler gave him the highest civilian medal Germany had. Ford was a rabid anti-semite, and often praised Hitler in his radio spots that he did during the 1930’s. His claimed rediscovery of the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” was a major aspect of that, and the source for much of his rantings.

    Ford also had an organization within his Company that would go to the workers houses to make sure they were keeping their house tidy and weren’t consuming alcohol. He called it the Sociology Department. They claimed the absolute right to come to your place of residence, and search your house at any time of day or night to insure you were living a thrifty, godly lifestyle.

  59. 74

    11" of swinging Max spews:

    …..and the biggest tool here is YLBasement.

    YLB, did you get the shit kicked out of you on a regular basis while growing up?

    me thinks so…it would explain so much.

  60. 76


    11″ of swinging Max

    heh. I didn’t know that made drivers that tiny.

    You must really cut a swath on the fairway.

    Small man to go with a small mind.

  61. 77

    11" of swinging Max spews:

    I’m surprised a shut-in like you even knows what golf is…..

    you dont have any game, so stop talking like you do.

    @75….and lack of discipline leads to laziness…of which you are a fine example.

    pasty-assed nerd….

  62. 78


    77 – Yawwn… Both my kids play. My wife’s dad was a golf pro.. I can hit the ball ok with the driver at the driving range but golf’s not my style..

    We’re individuals in our family. Thankfully not following an example of a hateful bigot swinging an 11″ driver to go with his pea-sized mind.

  63. 79

    11" of swinging Max spews:


    Yes, we know your “style”, tenderhanded one: stiting on your ass all day long in the basement visiting blogs and banging on the keyboard.

    nice “style”…lmfao. gehy.

  64. 81


    79 – LOL! Make up any fantasy you want troll. You always do. One thing for sure – it’s always bigoted and hateful and ignorant.

    AFAICT – it always will be. Some people are just damaged goods. Too bad. Pretty bad waste of one’s limited time to cling to such an attitude.

  65. 82

    Don Joe spews:

    @ 79

    You know he’s bragging about the size of his dick, because he can’t brag about the size of his brain.

  66. 83

    Steve spews:

    @80 “Golf is for sissies. Anyone with balls plays armed revolution.”

    I agree with you most of the time, Roger, but not this time. I’m an avid golfer but I’d suggest that it’s a really bad idea for anybody to fuck with me.

  67. 84

    11" of swinging Max spews:


    its amazing how one bad 10′ putt will negate a great 230′ yard drive…..

    or in your case, how much you can deep throat without gagging.

  68. 85

    Steve spews:

    It’s also amazing what a 9-iron can do to a car owned by someone who has just put a ding in mine and who then has the nerve to bad-mouth me when I say something about it. I did that in Palo Alto when I lived there about twentyfive years ago. I thought he was fortunate that I only damaged his car.

    I used to be capable of anger when fucked with. But I’m so much more mellow now. No, really.

    heh- Palo Alto. It was probably a liberal.

  69. 86

    Don Joe spews:

    @ 84

    or in your case, how much you can deep throat without gagging.

    I have no idea how much I can deep throat, and I really don’t want to know why you’re so interested in finding out.

    I’m certain there are blogs where you can satisfy your prurient interests quite easily. Around here, people generally think you’re complete idiot until you decide to actually engage in a policy debate. When you’ve gotten your ass kicked in a policy debate, you get to graduate to idiot.