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Saturday Night’s Gregoire-Rossi Debate

by Josh Feit — Sunday, 9/21/08, 12:12 pm

After last night’s debate at KOMO TV, I got a chance to ask both Dino Rossi and Gov. Chris Gregoire a question during their respective post-show press conferences. (Each candidate gave the press about five minutes.)

During the debate, Rossi dodged a viewer question about mass transit by saying his role as governor was to oversee the state’s highways. Mass transit alternatives like buses and light rail, he said, were local issues. 

However, his transportation plan actually takes $650 million away from Sound Transit’s budget (putting the money toward state roads.) Sound Transit’s plan was approved by local voters.

I asked Rossi how that part of his plan—taking money away from a locally-approved transit option— jibed with his statement that local voters should be in control of transit solutions. 

Rossi said the money was for HOV-lane connections between 405 and 520, and if local voters didn’t like that part of his plan, he would take it out. 

I didn’t get to ask him if voters could also take out the $560 million in gas tax money that’s in his plan. Rossi has run TV ads lampooning the gas tax. 

During Gregoire’s Q&A, I asked about the $3.2 billion deficit. Gregoire maintained during the debate that Washington state has a surplus, but as has been widely reported, the state is facing a $3.2 billion deficit. 

Indeed, Rossi told the press corps that Gregoire was living in an “alternate universe.” He said it’s like she has $800 in her checking account now, but she’s ignoring the $4,000 worth in bills she has due in January. 

Gregoire said the $3.2 billion deficit was a projection for 2011, but currently, based on the budgets she has passed, we have “money in the bank.” That is true: $500 million; plus cuts she’s proposed that will put the 2009 budget in the black to the tune of $800 million, her campaign says. 

Gregoire differentiated this from the $2.2 billion deficit she inherited from the Rossi-Locke budget which, she said, was a literal deficit that “I turned into a surplus.”

Gregoire took the opportunity to blame the deficit projections on “the collapse that happened on Wall Street” and the “failed policies of George Bush” which Rossi supports.

I’m still mulling over the debate itself. Both candidates had their moments.

Gregoire used just about every question to attack Rossi for being “out of step with Washington values” by pointing to the 2003 budget which Rossi wrote as a state senator—cutting 40,000 kids off health care and raising fees on seniors in nursing homes. She got off her best line of the night by sticking to this theme of Rossi’s indifference to vulnerable Wahsingtonians when she noted that Rossi’s 2003 budget stepped on a voter-approved initiative for smaller class sizes. Rossi balanced the budget, she said, “by taking it out on the hides of our kids…That’s just not our values.”

Gregoire actually landed her best blow, though, when she directly addressed the day’s earlier dust up over her stem cell research ad, which The Seattle Times reported was misleading. She explained that Rossi was against embryonic stem cell research, which is the most useful field of stem cell research when it comes to finding cures for diseases such as diabetes and cancer and alzheimers. Rossi had opened the debate by seizing on the stem cell controversy, saying he supported stem cell research. But when Rossi tried to repeat the claim in his closing statement—obviously he senses that his socially conservative positions are out of synch with the independent voters both candidates are fighting for in this nail-biter—it rang hollow.  His statement that “we have to cure some of these terrible diseases” sounded pretty lackluster in light of how Gregoire had reframed the issue.

Without a doubt, Rossi’s best moment came when he recited (almost comically) a seemingly endless list of police guild endorsements, including Seattle’s.  

Although, Rossi’s best moments typically came through emotional appeals rather than when he got into the specifics. When he lowered his voice and talked about “cherishing” the teaching profession, explaining that his dad was a Seattle school teacher, he may have negated all of Gregoire’s wonky attacks about Rossi’s assaults on education funding.   

AP reporter Rachel La Corte filed a basic recap of the debate  which correctly captured Gregoire in her new-found attack mode:

Gregoire said it was important to point out the differences between herself and Rossi.

“We disagree on priorities, we disagree on values, from stem cell research to global warming,” she said. “Let’s move forward as a state. Let’s not compromise our values or our priorities.”

The debate covered several other issues, including transportation, the environment, crime and education.

Gregoire has made the health of Puget Sound a cornerstone of her campaign and as governor has signed several environmental bills into law, including the creation of the Puget Sound Partnership, a state agency responsible for determining the current health of the sound and setting priorities for meeting the goal of a healthy sound by 2020.

“We need a plan that is bold and is leadership-driven,” she said. Rossi “has no plan to do anything about Puget Sound and no plan on global climate change.”

Rossi said that his plan to improve the state’s transportation system will lower emissions. He didn’t offer any other specifics on Puget Sound or other issues but said he would be a “very good environmental steward.”

It’s worth noting: Rossi said he would be a “good environmental steward” because his grandmother had taught his family to “leave the campsite better than how you found it.” It was a sweet anecdote he repeated several times. Gregoire got fed up with the touching story and belittled it by tying Rossi to his financial patron the BIAW (perhaps $1 million this election to oust Gregoire),  the business lobby that Rossi voted with 99 percent of the time as a state senator.  

I do wonder what Rossi’s environmentally conscious grandmother would think of the BIAW’s agenda. The BIAW spent last legislative session fighting against environmental regulations such as the carbon cap plan and a bill to make carbon emissions a factor in land use decisions.

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Seattle Times endorses Obama

by Goldy — Sunday, 9/21/08, 11:00 am

As expected, the Seattle Times editorial board has endorsed Barack Obama for President of the United States, paving the way for endorsements of Republicans Dino Rossi, Rob McKenna, Sam Reed, Allan Martin, Dave Reichert and Cathy McMorris Rodgers, all the while leaving their vaunted bipartisan principles intact.  At least, in their own minds.

In fact, with the possible exception of the race for Commissioner of Public Lands, I can’t imagine a single additional closely contested statewide or federal race in WA state in which the Times endorses a Democrat.

I’d be happy to be proven wrong.  But I wouldn’t bet on it.

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Dear Representatives Baird, Hastings, Larsen, McMorris Rodgers, and Reichert;

by Carl Ballard — Sunday, 9/21/08, 9:27 am

I see that Congress will consider a major bail out of the financial institutions, possibly in the next week. While we don’t know all of the details yet, it will most likely involve the taxpayers taking on $700 billion of bad debt and getting little in return.

As Representatives who voted for the bankruptcy bill, it would be immoral of you to support such a bail out. After all, with that vote you showed no sympathy for guardsmen called up to Iraq – a war most of you supported – or Afghanistan at a pay lower than their civilian job not being able to pay the bills. And you had no sympathy for the parent of a child without health care -that many of you have done nothing to help them get – who had to put the bills on their credit card and then got overwhelmed. Now, to sympathize with huge corporations that made bad decisions would just be rank hypocracy in service of the very, very rich.

XXOO

Carl Ballard

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NFL Week 3 Open Thread

by Lee — Sunday, 9/21/08, 5:02 am

With the Sonics in Oklahoma City, the Huskies 0-3, and the Angels’ Francisco Rodriguez having more saves than the Mariners have wins, the Seahawks losing to the awful Rams today would send this city to an all-time sports low.

Well, I guess the Storm are in the playoffs, although that just makes it all sadder somehow.

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Ari Melber kicks ass

by Goldy — Saturday, 9/20/08, 9:57 pm

Local boy makes good.  See, this is how you give an interview.

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When a Judge Becomes a Doctor

by Lee — Saturday, 9/20/08, 1:58 pm

Kitsap County Superior Court judge Anna M. Laurie found medical marijuana patient Robert Dalton guilty. Her reasoning was that his pain could have been relieved by other medicines, so therefore it’s perfectly fine to arrest him and seize his property because he was growing marijuana plants. As Dalton’s attorney Douglas Hiatt pointed out, Dalton’s opiates made him sick and are far more addictive than medical marijuana:

Hiatt was “very disappointed” with Laurie’s verdict, reiterating what he’d argued in court: that Laurie was “second guessing” physician Thomas Orvald, who recommended Robert Dalton use marijuana.

“If Judge Laurie wants to be a doctor, she should go to medical school,” Hiatt said. “No patient in this state is safe if she’s right.”

I’m not sure any patient in this state is safe anyway. Dalton is now disallowed from using the most effective medicine for his pain while he hopes to have a potential jail sentence postponed while he waits for an appeal. In the meantime, Washington state taxpayers continue to pay to prosecute someone who can’t possibly be considered a danger to society by any stretch of the imagination.

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Freewayblogger hits Seattle

by Goldy — Saturday, 9/20/08, 12:51 pm

Look carefully drivers, for more of the handiwork of the Freewayblogger.

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As long as we’re acting like socialists, why not do it right?

by Goldy — Saturday, 9/20/08, 10:56 am

Also writing on the Huffington Post, US Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) offers his own take on our financial crisis and the federal government’s reaction to it:

This is the most extreme example that I can recall of socialism for the rich and free enterprise for the poor.

And when it comes to socialism, Sanders knows what he’s talking about, being the former socialist mayor of Burlington Vermont.

But Sanders offers more than just criticism, and doesn’t outright dismiss the notion of some sort of financial market bailout.   Sanders notes that it is the wealthiest Americans who have prospered most from our recent anti-regulatory policies, while middle class Americans have seen their incomes steadily decline.  And since it is the wealthiest Americans who benefit most directly from a huge government bailout—and are most able to afford pay for it—a large portion of the cost of the bailout should fall directly on their shoulders.

Specifically, to pay for the bailout, which is estimated to cost up to $1 trillion, the government should:

a) Impose a five-year, 10 percent surtax on income over $1 million a year for couples and over $500,000 for single taxpayers. That would raise more than $300 billion in revenue;

b) Ensure that assets purchased from banks are realistically discounted so companies are not rewarded for their risky behavior and taxpayers can recover the amount they paid for them; and

c) Require that taxpayers receive equity stakes in the bailed-out companies so that the assumption of risk is rewarded when companies’ stock goes up.

Honestly… tell me… are these three concrete proposals any more “socialist” than our rush to nationalize troubled Wall Street firms?  In fact, I’d guess that the majority of Americans would find these proposals fair, reasonable and common sensical.

In addition to the principle that bailout should be paid for by those who benefited most from the policies that created the crisis, and who can thus afford to pay the costs, Sanders puts forth three other principles that should be seriously debated in discussing any bailout plan:

(2) There must be a major economic recovery package which puts Americans to work at decent wages. Among many other areas, we can create millions of jobs rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure and moving our country from fossil fuels to energy efficiency and sustainable energy…

(3) Legislation must be passed which undoes the damage caused by excessive de-regulation. That means reinstalling the regulatory firewalls that were ripped down in 1999…

(4) We must end the danger posed by companies that are “too big too fail,” that is, companies whose failure would cause systemic harm to the U.S. economy. If a company is too big to fail, it is too big to exist…

Again, reasonable proposals all, that deserve serious discussion as we rush to write Wall Street that giant blank check.  Sanders is not arguing against a bailout, but rather against a bailout that doesn’t have conditions attached that the protect the interests of US taxpayers, help working families struggle through the resulting economic slowdown, and takes concrete steps toward preventing a similar crisis from happening again.

Huh.  That doesn’t sound all that radical, now does it?  So as long as our two major parties are embracing the principles of socialism, shouldn’t we at least listen to the advice of a real socialist?

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The Death of Republican Philosophy

by Goldy — Saturday, 9/20/08, 8:36 am

Over on the Huffington Post, Hale “Bonddad” Stewart notes how the events of the past week have marked “the death of Republican philosophy.” Below is a summary of the statements the Republican party can no longer claim as part of their core ideology:

We are the party of small government
Under Bush II, discretionary spending has increased from $640 billion to $1.040 trillion dollars. And that doesn’t include our new trillion dollar bailout.

We Support Free Markets
Last week the SEC banned short-selling in financial shares.

We Are the Party of Fiscal Responsibility.
No Republican president has ever balanced a budget.

We are the Party of Personal Responsibility
When companies make really stupid decisions the Federal government bails them out. In fact, when the going gets tough, the Republicans become socialists.

Stewart concludes:

Whenever a Republican talking head says they are for any of the above mentioned things they should be questioned to explain how that statement (I’m for free markets) jibes with banning short selling of an entire sector of the market. Whenever a Republican says he is for smaller government, have him explain the nearly doubling of discretionary spending when the Republicans controlled all branches of government.

Simply put, this week demonstrated how hollow many of the Republican values are. They sound great on paper, but aren’t put into practice when that result might cause financial harm to another Republican.

Read the whole thing.

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Open Thread

by Darryl — Saturday, 9/20/08, 12:17 am

More Pastor Problems?

(Who needs Saturday morning cartoons when there are some 70+ media clips from the past weeks in politics at Hominid Views.)

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Podcasting Liberally

by Darryl — Friday, 9/19/08, 4:15 pm

The podcast starts off with a Democrat-on-Democrat story, as Goldy and his panel discuss politics and campaigning with Washington 11th CD Senate candidate Juan Martinez in his contest against Sen. Margarita Prentice. The topic turns to initiatives. Will increased traffic congestion and elevated gas prices encourage voters to vote YES on Proposition 1? How is Lyin’ Eyman’s Traffic Congestion Initiative doing? Speaking of him, what can be done to repair the initiative process? Oh…and why does the American Chemistry Council hate Seattle? All this and so much more….

Goldy was joined by Seattle P-I columnist Joel Connelly, Alex Fryer, the communications director for Mass Transit Now!, State Senate Candidate Juan Martinez, initiative specialist Laura McClintock of McClintock Consulting, and Lynn Allen of Evergreen Politics.

The show is 55:00 and is available here as an MP3:

[audio:http://www.podcastingliberally.com/podcasts/podcasting_liberally_sep_16_2008.mp3]

[Recorded live at the Seattle chapter of Drinking Liberally. Special thanks to Confab creators Gavin and Richard for hosting Podcasting Liberally.]

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Rossi prays, America pays

by Goldy — Friday, 9/19/08, 2:30 pm

Dino Rossi talks a lot about closing the anticipated budget gap without raising any taxes.  But how does he plan to do it?  I’m guessing, he’s gonna pray.

See, that’s the usual faith-based approach Rossi takes toward economic issues, for example, like back in 2003, when he voted for a Senate resolution praying for passage of President Bush’s economic plan:

NOW, THEREFORE, Your Memorialists respectfully pray that our elected Representatives and Senators in the United States Congress support and vote to enact President Bush’s 2002 Economic Growth and Tax Relief Plan.

And Rossi didn’t just pray for bill, as Senate Ways & Means Committee chair he shepherded this resolution out of committee and onto the floor.

Well, Rossi’s prayers were answered.  A trillion dollars in government bailouts later, were yours?

[audio:http://horsesass.org/wp-content/uploads/rossi-bush-pray-ad.mp3]

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I like this ad too

by Goldy — Friday, 9/19/08, 1:53 pm

I like this add too, but for different reasons.  It doesn’t come anywhere near to striking the same sort of emotional chord as the Palin the Wolf Butcherer ad, but it does go after McCain on a key demographic:  white women.

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This is what effective advertising looks like

by Goldy — Friday, 9/19/08, 1:17 pm

Like others, my instinct, when I first saw this ad last week, was that it was brutally effective.  Well now a national focus group has proved this instinct correct:

“The ad which focuses on Governor Palin’s record regarding the treatment of wildlife in Alaska seemed to strike a chord with voters,” commented Glenn Kessler, president and CEO, HCD Research.  “The recent ads from both parties have had little impact among voters. This is the first ad in over a month that seems to have broken through,” he added.

The ad, from Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund, has been running in Michigan and Florida, and word is that it will soon go up in other swing states as well.  Want to keep this extremely powerful and effective ad on the air?  Throw them some change.

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Without John McCain, they would’ve called them “The Keating Four“

by Goldy — Friday, 9/19/08, 10:00 am


(Hat tip Crooks & Liars.)

And of course, it’s more than just the economy on which John McCain mimics George W. Bush; you can learn more at Third Term:  The Movie.

Voters should keep McCain’s role in the savings and loan debacle in mind as they’re asked to once again to pick up the pieces from yet another financial crisis largely created by the free trade/deregulatory policies McCain has ideologically championed throughout his entire career.  Sure, the markets are soaring this morning, but taxpayers’ spirits won’t be when they hear the reasons why:

Congressional leaders said after meeting Thursday evening with Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke that as much as $1 trillion could be needed to avoid an imminent meltdown of the U.S. financial system.

[…] “We’re talking hundreds of billions,” Paulson told reporters. “This needs to be big enough to make a real difference and get to the heart of the problem.”

A trillion dollars of taxpayer money to buy up the bad debt whose accumulation made Wall Street executives rich beyond your wildest dreams.  And for this we’re supposed to reward McCain with the reins of government?

Those guys with the booze in the funny hats?  That’s McCain partying with Charles Keating in the heady days before McCain pressured regulators to lay off Lincoln Savings, and the S&L’s collapse subsequently cost taxpayers a couple billion dollars, and Keating a few years of his freedom on a fraud conviction.

And this is the guy we’re supposed to trust to keep an eye on Wall Street?  The guy who bills himself as “the greatest free trader” and “the greatest deregulator” ever…?

A trillion dollars, folks.  $1,000,000,000,000.

Senate Banking Committee Chairman Chris Dodd (D-Conn.) said on ABC’s “Good Morning America” said lawmakers were told last night “that we’re literally maybe days away from a complete meltdown of our financial system, with all the implications, here at home and globally.”

For all you McCain-style free traders out there, this is what we call a market failure.  Your economic philosophy—your religion—that the market always makes the most efficient allocation of resources, and that it always corrects itself, as if guided by the invisible hand of God?  Well, it’s just been proven wrong.

Again.

And the impact on the rest of us, I mean beside the recession that will bring undue economic hardship on billions of people worldwide, while Wall Street executives become honored philanthropists for giving away a fraction of their ill-gotten golden parachutes?

The solution being proposed by the Bush administration is the most expensive bailout in the nation’s history, sharply curtailing the ability of the next president to push for tax cuts or new spending.

Well thanks a fucking lot.  Once again a Democratic president will be forced to spend his entire eight years, shoving progressive policies like universal health care aside so that he can clean up the mess of the previous administration.

That is, assuming, voters aren’t stupid enough to elect John McCain.

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