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by Goldy — Sunday, 10/15/06, 9:51 am

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  1. country Gal spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 10:08 am

    BG @ 3

    Me too. But others here on HA will now consider the Seattle Times a Right Wing paper. Sad……

    What I thought the most interesting was the reasons why they DIDN’T Endorse Darcy….. That speaks louder than why they endorsed Reichart.

  2. country Gal spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 10:10 am

    One more thing…….. Comparing Burner to Rove was Priceless !!!!

    “Still more disappointingly, Burner has run a mean-spirited campaign that would make Republican spinmeister Karl Rove proud.”

  3. John Barelli spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 10:15 am

    Commentby Blog groupie— 10/15/06@ 9:56 am

    Copying the entire editorial will likely get it removed (brief excerpts are ok). Copyright issues, rather than ideology are the problem.

    In case Goldy does need to remove it, the link is here:

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....303415_eig hted15.html

    I disagree with the Seattle Times here, but regardless of the shrill voices of some on the far right, their editorial board has been a bit right of center for some time, so this isn’t much of a surprise.

    I suppose that the “mean-spirited” part of Darcy’s ads are the places that she shows where Mr. Reichert standing next to the President, telling everyone how frequently he toes the party line. Other than a few well-publicized votes where the outcome seemed certain, he’s been with the President all the way.

    If I were Mr. Reichert, I wouldn’t like those either.

  4. country Gal spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 10:27 am

    John @ 6

    What parts do you Disagree on. They explained themselves why they are NOT endorsing Darcy, with detail.

    The voting record of Reichart has been explained. Burner is taking the percentage of 40 some odd votes out of a total of 600+ votes that have taken place. So what is Reicharts voting record on the WHOLE total of 600+ votes taken. You can’t tell me he missed 560+ votes, where he didn’t vote at all.

    John, you are a smart enough to know that a percentage is only a percentage of the WHOLE. If the whole is misrepresented, then the percentage is not valid.

  5. phenteramine spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 10:36 am

    Dave Reichert began his career in the King County Sheriff’s Department in 1972. In 1974, Young Republican Ted Bundy, began his career of mass murder in King County. He was followed in this career path shortly thereafter by Gary Ridgway, another card-carrying Republican,who eluded Dave Reichert for twenty years even though he was a highschool dropout whocruised for prostitutes and then murdered them on a fairly regular basis.

    The Times is endorsing him because he’s one more vote to keep wealth and privilige entrenched by repealing inheritance taxes. Reichert wants to tax your labor, but not the lazy rich who inherit their money.

  6. Blog groupie spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 10:38 am

    Commentby John Barelli— 10/15/06@ 10:15 am

    Thanks – I am new to blog posting, so I take your advise to heart.

    I am probably marginally on the conservative side of center, but do not vote a down the line Republican ticket. I just do not think that Burner is a good candidate, but more has been helped a hell of a lot by “national sentiment”. When it comes time to vote, I think that people will be more likely in this race to come back to weighing the candidates strengths and weaknesses, which will hurt Darcy.

    I think someone who is a very strong candidate, who should make another run for office is Dave Ross.

    While I disagree with him on a lot of things, I think he is very thoughtful on the issues, rather than just towing the party line, and has integrity. Against a weak Republican candidate, he would have a good chance at my vote.

  7. RightEqualsStupid spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 11:05 am

    This vote ad must be driving the righties crazy. The last thing they want is a good turnout. The more people who vote, the more likely the GOP goes down. Of course if Foley and a page are around, there’s lots of going down anyway LOL!

  8. John Barelli spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 11:12 am

    Commentby country Gal— 10/15/06@ 10:27 am

    “What parts do you Disagree on?”

    Why, that people should vote for Mr. Reichert, of course. I also disagree that Ms. Burner’s campaign has been “mean-spirited”.

    (I noticed that the link isn’t working, so here is a better (I hope) one.

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....ted15.html

    Do I disagree that they have the right to endorse Mr. Reichert? Of course not. I’ll even acknowledge that reasonable people of good will might vote for him, thinking him the better candidate.

    And I’ll disagree with them, too.

  9. John Barelli spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 11:16 am

    Since we’re open thread here, it looks like a good time to plug my local Democrats and ask for help from folks over here on the left side of the Sound.

    Derek Kilmer – Even if the only thing he had done was to get Ms. McMahan out of the State House of Representatives, that would be enough to earn him our eternal gratitude. But… Rather than sit on those laurels, he’s been tireless in helping out the folks over here in the 26th District. He’s running against a one-issue Republican that has done everything he could to paint Derek as a friend to child molesters. Most of the dirty work has been done by third parties, and I expect the next few weeks to get even nastier. Much of this district has traditionally been Republican (remember, they did elect Lois McMahan at one time, and Derek only won the House seat by a thin margin). He can use all the help he can get.

    Larry Seaquist – A decorated Navy veteran who has been active in progressive politics for some time. He’s running a clean, honorable campaign against Ron Boehme, a person that has called public education a tool of the devil and has proclaimed himself to be a prophet. The really scary thing is that Mr. Boehme actually has a chance of winning. Mr. Boehme has removed his writings from the site that used to host them, but many of the more interesting ones were archived by others before he realized just how most people would see them.

    Pat Lantz – Not that I haven’t had my differences with Ms. Lantz (there are a couple of bridge votes that I take issue with), but she has also worked tirelessly for the folks of this district. Her opponent seems like a relatively reasonable person, but then, standing next to Mr. Boehme, almost anyone would seem reasonable.

    With candidates as good as these, it’s too easy for us over here to assume that they’ll simply win because of their qualifications. Unfortunately, there is a very active minority that will vote as a block for any Republican, and if we don’t work at getting out our vote, we many find ourselves with:

    1) a State Senator that will not even listen to prosecutors on the subject of child abuse (and doesn’t seem to care about any other issue).

    2) a State Representative that considers himself to be a Prophet of God and considers almost all public programs (especially public eduction) to be tools of the Devil.

    3) another State Representative that seems to have no independent ideas of her own and simply follows the Republican Party line in all votes.

    The national races get a lot of our attention, and we must not neglect them, but the state legislature is the place where the laws that affect our everyday lives are made. Look at states like Mississippi and South Dakota, where state laws have effectively eliminated a woman’s right to choose to terminate a pregnancy under almost any conditions, and even here in Washington, where legislators have tried (and thankfully, failed) to get anti-evolution statements put into textbooks.

    So, even thought I really hate calling strangers at home, I’ll be spending at least an evening doing “get out the vote” calls, and I know that more callers are needed. Check Derek’s website at http://www.derekkilmer.com, and volunteer to help!

  10. Anonymous spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 11:29 am

    Cute little video about the joys of voting.

    Has anyone shown it to 40% Darcy?

  11. phenteramine spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 11:48 am

    What do you suppose the Times means by: “…the deceptive Democratic party line.”?

  12. skagit spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 12:04 pm

    I agree about Ross. Too bad his last experience with the Republican hate-machine was so demoralizing. He is thoughtful and expresses himself well. But, it will never happen . . .

    I support Darcy but do not think she is a good candidate. Unfortunately, she’s needed a lot more rough-and-tumble practice to remove the “nice little girl” image she presents. Just being honest . . . not trying to diss her.

    Reichert is surprisingly poor at handling debate but his “presence” is much more powerful. Unfortunately, people seem to vote a lot on visual stuff.

    Finally, agree about the Times being a bit more right . . . Blethen’s attempts at supporting common interests bit the dust since he’s so thoroughly against the “gift-from-the-rich-dead” tax.

  13. Free Speech spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 12:04 pm

    The Times endorses
    Reichert in the 8th

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....ted15.html

    Bye bye Burner…na na naaaa naaaa, na na naaaa naaaa, hey hey heeey goooodbye!

  14. Free Speech spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 12:07 pm

    Liberals,

    Frankly, Darcy Burner comes off as shrill. I do not like Maria Cantwell, but she could give Darcy Burner some lessons on manners. Oh, and here is a hint Darcy, you aren’t running against George Bush. I know it is a little late to learn that, but it is the truth. 8th district voters are NOT shrill Seattle liberals. You can spend the next two years studying that fact.

  15. Free Speech spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 12:09 pm

    “Dave Reichert began his career in the King County Sheriff’s Department in 1972. In 1974, Young Republican Ted Bundy, began his career of mass murder in King County. “

    BULLSHIT! PROVE that Ted Bundy was a Republican you damn liar! I am calling you out!

  16. Anonymous spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 12:10 pm

    Shrill is too kind… condescending, smarmy, witchy…
    God, she’s an evil looking bitch. I bet her husband cringes when she gets that ugly thin, tight lipped grimace thing she does.

    That’s probably why he’s anxious to get her 3000 miles away.

  17. Free Speech spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 12:13 pm

    From the Seattle Times endorsement:

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....ted15.html

    “On the other hand, it is hard to discern where Burner differs from the Democratic Party line.

    The former Microsoft manager is smart and argues effectively for change — if only she were running against President Bush.

    Which she is not.”

    Hay Darcy, it looks like Clownstein and the other Nutroots advice to “run against Bush” was a nonstarter. That is what you get when you listen to idealogue kool-aid drinkers like Clownstein.

    But hey honey, don’t be sad. I a sure that Renton needs a dog catcher. Here is a hint, don’t mention George Bush!

  18. John Barelli spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 12:15 pm

    Commentby phenteramine— 10/15/06@ 11:48 am

    “What do you suppose the Times means by: “…the deceptive Democratic party line.”?”

    Why that we’re somehow being unfair when we link Mr. Reichert to the policies and votes of the Republican-controlled House of Representatives. The fact that he is a member of that majority and votes with it 90% of the time should be considered to be just a coincidence. They believe that his “brave” votes (in situations where his vote would make no difference) should be taken as evidence of his independence.

    I do not, however, note the same level of concern when Mr. McGavick tries to link Ms. Cantwell to the policies and votes of the Republican-controlled Senate, despite being in the minority party and having voted against many (admittedly, not enough) of those policies.

  19. skagit spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 12:16 pm

    BULLSHIT! PROVE that Ted Bundy was a Republican you damn liar! I am calling you out!

    “Bundy worked on the re-election campaign of Washington’s Republican Governor Dan Evans. Evans was elected and he appointed Bundy to the Seattle Crime Prevention Advisory Committee. Bundy’s political future seemed secure, when in 1973 he became assistant to Ross Davis, chairman of the Washington State Republican Party”

    Anything else?

  20. For the Clueless spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 12:18 pm

    pbj@14: you’re a shrill, out-of-the-mainstream, wingnut. Thank you voters of the 8th district for not being like pbj.

    The Times’ endorsement is underhanded. The true reason for the Reichert endorsement is that Dave will toe the line on the estate tax.

  21. LiberalsAreSerialKillers spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 12:20 pm

    John Wayne Gacy

    When Chicago businessman John Wayne Gacy was exposed in December 1978 as a sadistic homosexual serial killer it came as a seismic shock to his neighbours, friends and business associates.

    It was also deeply embarrassing for the Democratic Partyof President Jimmy Carter as Gacy was an enthusiastic supporter who had been photographed with the First Lady, Rosalyn Carter.

    Source:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/crime/caseclosed/gacy.shtml

  22. John Barelli spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 12:20 pm

    “BULLSHIT! PROVE that Ted Bundy was a Republican you damn liar! I am calling you out!”

    Commentby Free Speech— 10/15/06@ 12:09 pm

    I’ll take this. It’s an easy one.

    ” Bundy worked on the re-election campaign of Washington’s Republican Governor Dan Evans. Evans was elected and he appointed Bundy to the Seattle Crime Prevention Advisory Committee. Bundy’s political future seemed secure, when in 1973 he became assistant to Ross Davis, chairman of the Washington State Republican Party.

    Source: http://crime.about.com/od/serial/p/tedbundy.htm

    “Ted Bundy – He was a handsome, charming, urbane and extrovert graduate, who did charity work and campaigned for the Republican Party in the USA.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/crime/cas.....ndy1.shtml

    Do your research before calling someone a liar.

  23. RightEqualsStupid spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 12:22 pm

    Look how happy the right wing cowards are. They MIGHT get to hold one seat they were already SUPPOSED to win by a landslide and they think that’s a victory. When you asswipe child molestors loooooose the House we’ll see how happy you are. In the mean time, let me hear some more of your horseshit about the LIBERAL press.

  24. For the Clueless spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 12:22 pm

    What a laugh! Pbj didn’t know Bundy was a Republican!?!

    Getting back to Reichert. The corrupt Republican leadership practices “catch and release”. When a bill is in the bag (the “catch”), they “release” their moderates who are in close districts to vote against the party line.

    Reichert does what he’s told.

  25. LiberalsAreSerialKillers spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 12:22 pm

    Do your research before calling someone a liar.

    Provide your sources when you make your wild ass statements.

  26. skagit spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 12:23 pm

    Just read the Times article . . . seems pretty balanced really. If Burner wins, it will be because the national temperament has changed and people are tired of Republicans. It will be more a case of Reichert losing than Burner actually winning. She offers very little aside from change. I’m a liberal and I’d vote for her for that reason alone. If all things were equal in DC or I knew for sure Dems would gain power to balance this overreaching dishonest Congress, I might very well vote for Reichert over Burner if I lived in the 8th.

  27. John Barelli spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 12:25 pm

    Commentby LiberalsAreSerialKillers— 10/15/06@ 12:20 pm

    Isn’t this getting a bit silly? We have comparisons of serial killers, with the Republicans saying “Democrats did it too!”

    For the record, simply being a Republican does not make someone a serial killer.

    Happy now?

  28. LiberalsAreSerialKillers spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 12:26 pm

    ”

    What a laugh! Pbj didn’t know Bundy was a Republican!?!

    Getting back to Reichert. The corrupt Republican leadership practices “catch and release”. When a bill is in the bag (the “catch”), they “release” their moderates who are in close districts to vote against the party line.

    Reichert does what he’s told.”

    I would think that since liberals claim to be such intellectuals, they would at least provide a source when they throw out claims.

  29. phenteramine spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 12:26 pm

    re 15: Everybody knows that Bundy was a darling of the Republican Party. Just think how far he would have gone if he had applied his sociopathological personality to electioneering? Oh, like Lee Atwater and Karl Rove did.

    Bundy is a typical Republican personality type. That’s why we can’t stand you.

  30. skagit spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 12:28 pm

    rovide your sources when you make your wild ass statements.

    Commentby LiberalsAreSerialKillers— 10/15/06@ 12:22 pm

    He did. In fact, the quote is sourced twice . . . typical rightwing reading-comprehension-challenged nut

  31. BigGlen spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 12:35 pm

    #15

    “Dave Reichert began his career in the King County Sheriff’s Department in 1972. In 1974, Young Republican Ted Bundy, began his career of mass murder in King County. “

    BULLSHIT! PROVE that Ted Bundy was a Republican you damn liar! I am calling you out!

    Commentby Free Speech— 10/15/06@ 12:09 pm

    Dear Free Speech, Yes Ted Bundy (may the devil burn his soul) was a rising star of the Republician party in the early 70’s. Republician govenor Dan Evans wrote a letter of recommendation for him to get into law school in Utah. The people of Utah really loved this. In 1976 when Jerry Ford was seaching for a VP the final list came down to three people Bob Dole, Howard Baker and Dan Evans. Somebody pasted a copy of this letter to Jerry Ford. Bob Dole was the republicain vp canadate that year.

  32. phenteramine spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 12:36 pm

    re 22: Thanks John Barelli. My assumption was that everyone knew that Bundy was a Republican. But you know the old saying: “When youmake an assumption you make an ass out of you and …….. well, umption, I guess.”

  33. John Barelli spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 12:37 pm

    (quoting my post) “Do your research before calling someone a liar.”

    “Provide your sources when you make your wild ass statements.”

    Commentby LiberalsAreSerialKillers— 10/15/06@ 12:22 pm

    I did. Go read my post again. I quoted about.com ( http://crime.about.com/od/serial/p/tedbundy.htm ) and the BBC ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/crime/cas.....ndy1.shtml ) Would you like a bunch more? Google counted 282,000 of them, although there are probably a few duplicates in there.

    Also, it really is pretty much common knowledge that Ted Bundy was a Republican, just as it is pretty much common knowledge that John Wayne Gacy was a Democrat. (You’ll notice that nobody here called you a liar on that topic.)

    “While everyone is entitled to their own opinion, nobody is entitled to their own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynihan

  34. LiberalsAreSerialKillers spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 12:37 pm

    “When you asswipe child molestors loooooose the House we’ll see how happy you are. “

    Republicans as child molesters?

    Democrat Gerry Studds

    Democrat Neil Goldschmidt

    So it is more like Democrats saying “But look, republicans do it too!” Goldschmidt started his child molesting way back in the 70’s.

    And I am still waiting for Liberals to callfor the resignation of democrat Senate Minority Leader harry Reid because of his $million land scam

    Hypocrits!

  35. For the Clueless spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 12:40 pm

    pbj shill:

    Here ya go.

    The examples are endless, but two suggest the whole. The Republican leaders play a game called “catch and release,” in which they allow moderate Republicans to vote against conservative GOP legislation, thereby burnishing their reputations for “independence” — but only once it’s clear that the leadership has a majority. Along with their Senate compatriots, House leaders have also perfected their use of conference committees (which are supposed to “merge” House and Senate bills) to shift legislation to the right and then slam it through Congress on an up-or-down vote.

    Pbj shill – you’re so wedded to corruption and lies. Your buffoonery would be so laughable if it wasn’t so tragic for this country.

  36. LiberalsAreSerialKillers spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 12:42 pm

    When it was first mentioned at post 5 by phenteramine, no source was cited. As for it being “common knowledge”, you have no way of proving that.

    If you liberals want to list out Democrats and Republicans that are crooks, liar, molesters and ne’r do well we can do this all day.

    For every Republican you can name, I can name at least one Democrat for everything you name. Of course you liberals want to do this because your candidate Darcy Burnedout is going down in flames.

    I hear Canada is still taking applications. But apparently Alec Baldwin hasn’t been accepted yet.

  37. BigGlen spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 12:45 pm

    “Dave Reichert began his career in the King County Sheriff’s Department in 1972. In 1974, Young Republican Ted Bundy, began his career of mass murder in King County. “

    This is not completly true. By all accounts Ted Bundy (my the devil roast his soul) started killing long before 1974. Most likely around 1968, maybe even earlier. There is a case of a girl that went missing when he was 14. So people (real law enforement types) think she may have been his victim.
    So no do not lay the Ted killings at Davy boys feet. It was before his time.

  38. LiberalsAreSerialKillers spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 12:57 pm

    @30,

    Skagit,

    Please go back to POST #5 and show me where the damn sources are.

  39. JohneWayneGacy spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 1:04 pm

    Hey guys! Democrats are much better at being sick bastards than those amateur Republicans! Don’t forget, I killd 33 and amateur Ted Bundy only got 22.[1]

    Hey, check out what they say about me:

    “He enjoyed handcuffing his victims, anally raping them, beating them to a pulp, offering to make peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, reciting verses from the Bible and strangling them to death.”

    Oh and Democrat sicko Gerry Studds sends his love.

  40. Anonymous spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 1:04 pm

    baby-stealing liberal whore

  41. phenteramine spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 1:06 pm

    The only logical response to finding out that Ted Bundy was a Young Republican is to note that Ted Kennedy’s girlfriend drowned in 1968 under suspicious circumstances. Also, prior to Foley’s gay adventures in congress, there were some gay Democrats. So, It’s OK for Denny Hastert to protect a page- molesting Republican for years and years just to avoid political embarrassment.

    Why don’t you guys go back to Andrew Jackson’s administration. You could probably find something there as well to talk about.

    Did you ever wonder what they REALLY meant when they called him, “Old Hickory”?

  42. John Barelli spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 1:11 pm

    Commentby LiberalsAreSerialKillers— 10/15/06@ 12:42 pm

    “If you liberals want to list out Democrats and Republicans that are crooks, liar, molesters and ne’r do well we can do this all day.”

    And vice-versa. We can agree that both parties have folks that we would be better off without.

    This is a rather liberal blog, so you may have to get used to having Republican “crooks, liar, molesters and ne’r do well” pointed out more often than the Democrat equivalents. We leave that task to the happy folks over at unSP, who are glad to take up that burden.

    At least we’re honest enough to admit our bias around here, and we’ll (reluctantly) admit that there are some Democrats that are less than stellar examples of truth, justice and the American way. Some of the right-wing blogs cannot apparently return that honesty.

    Mr. Reichert has claimed credit for almost single-handedly catching the Green River Killer, despite evidence that he was somewhat less than completely helpful in that task. Yes, linking Ted Bundy to Mr. Reichert is a bit of a cheap shot, but perhaps not entirely undeserved. (You’re welcome to disagree with me on this.)

    Commentby LiberalsAreSerialKillers— 10/15/06@ 12:57 pm

    Oh, and on this blog, it really is common knowledge that Ted Bundy was a Republican, just as over at unSP, it’s common knowledge that Mr. Gacy was a Democrat. When you call someone a liar, it’s best to make sure that he isn’t telling the truth, whether or not he posts references.

  43. phenteramine spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 1:15 pm

    Republicans are the party of torture, midnight arrests, no habeus corpus, diminution of our constitutional rights.

    You’re a bunch of sadistic crooks — like Ted Bundy.

  44. ByeByeBurner spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 1:18 pm

    @42,

    “So, It’s OK for Denny Hastert to protect a page- molesting Republican for years and years just to avoid political embarrassment.”

    Why is it that liberals get all up in arms when laws are passed to prosecute terrorists, they don’t want us listening into terrorist conversations or tracking their finances, but when a US citizen who happens to be a Republican is under question, no trial is allowed, no due process whatsoever – to the gallows!

    I find that curious, especially in the light of democrat Harry Reid and his crooked land deal

  45. ByeByeBurner spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 1:22 pm

    “This is a rather liberal blog, so you may have to get used to having Republican “crooks, liar, molesters and ne’r do well” pointed out more often than the Democrat equivalents. We leave that task to the happy folks over at unSP, who are glad to take up that burden.”

    At SOUND Politics, they don’t stoop to that level of juvenille discorse. They actually discuss issues and have adult discussions.

  46. phenteramine spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 1:23 pm

    When your side did what they did to Max Cleland and John Kerry, two true, loyal and brave American veterans, to vote for a pack of draft-dodging grifters, you opened a door that won’t close until you get a good dose of your own medicine.

    Yep! Ted Bundy and Gary Ridgway murdered with impunity for decades on Sheriff Dave’s watch. And Ted Bundy was a Young Republican.

    What part of the simple truth bothers you?

  47. ByeByeBurner spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 1:23 pm

    “Republicans are the party of torture, midnight arrests, no habeus corpus, diminution of our constitutional rights.

    You’re a bunch of sadistic crooks – like Ted Bundy. “

    And yet somehow, they always miss you when they are rounding up the locals.

  48. phenteramine spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 1:24 pm

    re 47: And then ban or delete comments that too effectively challenge their talking points.

    Grow up!

  49. Country Girl spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 1:26 pm

    I know this is an open thread, but do we really need to be discussing Ted Bundy????

    How about those Seahawks…..What a game !!!!!

  50. phenteramine spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 1:28 pm

    Ted Bundy was a murderer, a necrophiliac, and a proud Young Republican. Cheap shot? So what?

    Someone’s gotta confront you guys about who and what you really are. 650,000 dead Iraqi civilians can’t.

    To quote our vice- president: “Go fuck yourself!”

  51. phenteramine spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 1:31 pm

    re 51: OK! Let’s change the subject. Ernie Kovacs had a great big moustache and Dave Garroway had an orangutan as a second banana.

  52. John Barelli spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 1:33 pm

    Commentby ByeByeBurner— 10/15/06@ 1:18 pm

    “but when a US citizen who happens to be a Republican is under question, no trial is allowed, no due process whatsoever – to the gallows!”

    Actually, we’d just like to have some due process. That would include having someone that wasn’t appointed by the person being investigated doing the investigation.

    Consider this scenario. A Democrat Speaker is accused of allowing this sort of behaviour, and the Democrat in charge of the ethics committee decides not to ask for an independent investigation.

    Republicans would scream “cover-up” until their voices gave out. (C’mon, folks. You know that would happen.)

    Instead, we have the Republican head of the ethics committee (who many believe was appointed over another Republican who was unwilling to toe the party line) saying that an independent investigator is unnecessary.

    Maybe Rep Hastings will do a thorough, complete and timely investigation. Still, there is the “appearance of impropriety” here, and even if he honestly finds nothing wrong, that finding will always be suspect.

    We should already have an independent investigator on the job here. Anything else looks like a cover-up and a delaying tactic.

  53. Country Girl spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 1:34 pm

    @ 52

    You wanna talk about people named TED?

    Grow up and talk about the issues. Flinging mud will get you nowhere. But if it makes YOU FEEL better, by all means, continue on. It is all about how YOU FEEL isn’t it?

    BTW If I could Fuck Myself, I surely wouldn’t be here posting on this Blog.

  54. ByeByeBurner spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 1:36 pm

    “When your side did what they did to Max Cleland and John Kerry, two true, loyal and brave American veterans, to vote for a pack of draft-dodging grifters, you opened a door that won’t close until you get a good dose of your own medicine.”

    No one “did” anything to either Max Cleland or John Kerry except tell the truth. Max Cleland lost because he put his loaylty to his union buddies over national security. Specifically, in the shadow of 911, Cleland voted to stop the creation of the Dept of Homeland Security if it did not have “employed for life” union provisions where no incompetent could be terminated. The public wasn’t in the mood to put Homer Simpson in charge of DHS for life, so he lost. He was a liberal tool and lost because of that.

    John “Traitor” Kerry lost for the simple fact he was a liar and a traitor. He lied and flip flopped several times. Even Charles Gibson caught him in a lie when kerry insisted he did not throw his medals away Gibson replied:

    “GIBSON: Well, Senator, I was there 33 years ago. I saw you throw medals over the fence and we didn’t find out till later that those were …”

    To this very day Kerry has never signed his form 180 such that ANYONE form the media can get ALL the records of his military service. All Kerry did was cherry pick some things and release those on his web site. Contrary to George W Bush, who did sign the release and allow even the Communist Party to get that info is they wished.

  55. Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 1:39 pm

    Sure is nice to see the librul Seattle Times to muddle thruogh the Goldie-led bullshit and call it correctly. Sucks to be a donk!

    Nothing Darcy has said didn’t cum from Rahm Emanuel. She hasn’t had a cogent thought.

    I like those tax raising specials on Darcy. It’s right, she’ll kiss Pelosi’s ass.

  56. RightEqualsStupid spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 1:39 pm

    Hopefully these pages being molested by Foley and his GOP pals are all the sons of republicans.

  57. ByeByeBurner spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 1:43 pm

    @54

    “Actually, we’d just like to have some due process. That would include having someone that wasn’t appointed by the person being investigated doing the investigation.”

    Oh, you mean like Democrat Ron Simms hiring a Democrat party activist to investigate the King County Elections department?

  58. phenteramine spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 1:46 pm

    Re 59: Ted Bundy would have been proud of you for that one.

  59. ByeByeBurner spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 1:48 pm

    @60,

    Please go play with your nintendo. The adults are trying to have a conversation here. M’kay?

  60. Doctor JCH Kennedy, ESQ spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 1:51 pm

    No damage here from the 6.3 earthquake off Kona. BTW, The security gate still works, so GBS and JDB can’t enter and loot. Could be big surf om the Kohala coast!!! [If I were a black Democrat I could go loot a HDTV from Best Buy, get a free FEMA trailer, and a $2000 cridet card from the Red Cross to buy Marlboros, Black Velvet, KFC, and King Cobra!!!!]

  61. Doctor JCH Kennedy, ESQ spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 1:54 pm

    No damage here from the 6.3 earthquake off Kona. BTW, The security gate still works, so GBS and JDB can’t enter and loot. Could be big surf om the Kohala coast!!! [If I were a black Democrat I could blame George Bush, go loot a HDTV from Best Buy, get a free FEMA trailer, and a $2000 credit card from the Red Cross to buy Marlboros, Black Velvet, KFC, and King Cobra!!!!]

  62. Daddy Love spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 1:57 pm

    Ted Bundy notwithstanding, today’s Republican Congress and Republican administration is shot through at the highest levels with the incompetent, the corrupt, and the wrong. For example in their own health-care agenda, they failed to make health-care savings accounts more attractive, failed to let business associations offer their own health plans, and failed even to bring to a vote Arizona Congressman John Shadegg’s bill to avoid costly state mandates by letting health insurance be marketed across state boundaries.

    They have failed to pass meaningful immigration reform, preferring instead, in the words of the Wall Street Journal, to “fan public worry about immigration and then pretend that a 700-mile fence will solve the problem. ” They failed to pass their own SS reform.

    Several leading Republicans in this COngress not twenty years ago) have been convicted of taking bribes, yes the Republicans in Congress refuse to pass meaningful earmark reforms.

    The administration is wiretapping Americans without warrants, running a string of secret prisons in which thousands of possibly guilty and some almost certainly innocent people face detention and torture with no way to challenge their detention, billions of America tax dollars go missing in Iraq when inexperienced political loyalists were employed for their ideology nstead of their competence, and the Republicans in Congress put off or ignore any oversight whatsoever, again abdicating responsibility.

    The way to remedy this is NOT to send Republicans back to Washington. Riechert should be replaced by Darcy Burner to hold the administration accountable, balance the budget, and competently govern for a change.

  63. Daddy Love spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 2:00 pm

    59 ByeByeBurner

    There’s a difference between a citizen who donates to Democrats and a Democratic Party activist. Learn it.

  64. Anonymous spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 2:04 pm

    Name one thing Burner has been “activist” on.

  65. Daddy Love spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 2:07 pm

    Fox News:

    The newest AP/Ipsos poll also showed that half of likely voters say the Foley scandal will be “very or extremely important” when it comes time to vote on Nov. 7. By nearly a 2-1 ratio, voters say Democrats are better at combating corruption.

    THAT’S why we need to send Democrats back to Washinton instead of Republicans. Wake up, 8th CD!

  66. Daddy Love spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 2:09 pm

    ByeByeBurner

    You’re a little behind the times. Kerry has released his records. It was reported in the Boston Globe, among other outlets.

  67. phenteramine spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 2:09 pm

    And don’t ever forget: Young Ted Bundy was the beloved carrier of the Republican torch right here in King County — at the same time Dave Reichert worked for the Sheriff’s Dept.

    Unfair comparison? You be the decider!

  68. Daddy Love spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 2:10 pm

    Abd the funny thing is, Kerry’s records and the Navy records ALL confirm that he was a deservingly decorated war hero.

  69. Anonymous spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 2:17 pm

    how would anyone know daddy… his word? He still hasn’t released them.

  70. Anonymous spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 2:19 pm

    ouchie, i pinched my finger, give me a purple heart.
    ouchie, i stubbed my toe, give me a purple heart.
    iccky, i have motion sickness, give me a purple heart.

  71. phenteramine spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 2:22 pm

    re 71: See, Goldy. They just repeat the lie.

  72. phenteramine spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 2:25 pm

    re 72: Ouchie ouchie, I just lost three of my limbs in Vietnam while George W Bush was drinking Wild Turkey, snorting coke and evading the draft and Dave Reichert was letting mass murderers get away.

  73. Harry Tuttle spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 2:36 pm

    Kinda interesting, the results of a poll on viaduct replacement in the Sea Times today. A replacement viaduct is favored over the tunnel by 2 to 1.

    You’d never think it, if Drinking Liberally was one’s only source.

  74. Anonymous spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 2:45 pm

    Dimwit
    Asshole
    Reguritating
    Commie
    Yackety-yak

    Belicose
    Uttering
    Rabid
    Nancy’s
    Empty
    Rhetoric

  75. John Barelli spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 3:17 pm

    At SOUND Politics, they don’t stoop to that level of juvenille discorse. They actually discuss issues and have adult discussions.

    Commentby ByeByeBurner— 10/15/06@ 1:22 pm

    Wow. They must have changed since I posted as the token liberal. Still, they are a bit more controlled over there than around here.

    Of course, a lot of the “juvenile discourse” around here comes from the folks on the right. (Not that all the liberals here are courteous and polite when dealing with right-wing types, but we do put up with much more abuse from the right than Mr. Sharkansky is willing to endure from the left.)

    Generally, whenever anyone here actually starts trying to have a serious discussion of issues, one of our many right-wing trolls jumps in and inserts some lame, racist post, or tries to divert the subject away from something embarrassing to Republicans.

    “Oh, you mean like Democrat Ron Simms hiring a Democrat party activist to investigate the King County Elections department?”

    Commentby ByeByeBurner— 10/15/06@ 1:43 pm

    Actually, yes. Perhaps something like putting together a 10 member panel consisting of legal experts, university presidents, election officials from two states and civic leaders.

    Oh, wait. That’s what he did. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/.....ion11.html

  76. ByeByeBurner spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 3:43 pm

    Actually, yes. Perhaps something like putting together a 10 member panel consisting of legal experts, university presidents, election officials from two states and civic leaders.

    Oh, wait. That’s what he did. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/.....ion11.html “

    Oh wait, that’s NOT what he did. He stuffed the panel with liberals such as the Chair Cheryl Scott, a obviously partisan Democrat, given her 7 to 1 propensity for throwing liberal cash. He wanted them to come to the “correct” conclusion.

  77. ByeByeBurner spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 3:46 pm

    Daddy Love

    “ByeByeBurner

    You’re a little behind the times. Kerry has released his records. It was reported in the Boston Globe, among other outlets. ”

    Nope he has not signed the form 180 allowing anyone to get copies of his records. He will only cherry pick what he wants released.

  78. phenteramine spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 4:18 pm

    re 79: Not true. All were released. Bush had his own files cleansed — illegally — of course.

  79. Anonymous spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 4:34 pm

    prove it druggie

    btw, speed kills

    take more

  80. phenteramine spews:

    Sunday, 10/15/06 at 9:13 pm

    re 81: So , you don’t deny it. You just say: “Prove It!” Like the thug who says:”If you didn’t catch me I didn’t do it.”
    Typical crap from your ilk.

  81. Robert spews:

    Monday, 10/16/06 at 8:43 am

    When Women vote, Democrats win.

  82. Daddy Love spews:

    Monday, 10/16/06 at 2:39 pm

    79 ByByeBurner

    No, you are woefully misinformed; but what else is new?

    “On May 20, Kerry signed a document called Standard Form 180, authorizing the Navy to send an ‘undeleted’ copy of his ‘complete military service record and medical record’ to the Globe. Asked why he delayed signing the form for so long, Kerry said in a written response: ‘The call for me to sign a 180 form came from the same partisan operatives who were lying about my record on a daily basis on the Web and in the right-wing media. Even though the media was discrediting them, they continued to lie. I felt strongly that we shouldn’t kowtow to them and their attempts to drag their lies out.’ “

    So, like I was saying and you had no fucking idea about….

  83. Daddy Love spews:

    Monday, 10/16/06 at 2:49 pm

    78 ByeByeBurner

    “He stuffed the panel with liberals such as the Chair Cheryl Scott, a obviously partisan Democrat”

    For someone who presses other for proof, you’re a little light in the loafers yourself. You mention one member out of ten, chose the one who happens to be Former President and Chief Executive Officer of Group Health and is an associate professor in the graduate program in Health Services Administration at the University of Washington, and you appear to claim that she cannot possibly be competent to chair the advisory panel because she donates more dollars to Democratic candidates than to Republicans. Huh.

    First, you are woefully incomplete to mention only one out of ten and expect that to be somehow definitive. Two, your, and if I may editorialize a bit, the general Republican standard of evidence to “prove” something you really, really want to be true is pretty damn low.

    Cheryl Scott has a record of achievement and competence that I imagine puts yours to shame, and one which you have done nothing to undermine or refute. I am sure that the other nine members are even harder for you to attack. You are worthless and weak.

    And do you really think that trust in government and clean elections are exclusively a Republican issue? Have you called for Democratic panels to investigate Republican elections heads in other counties?

  84. Daddy Love spews:

    Monday, 10/16/06 at 2:57 pm

    Members of the King County Commission on Elections:

    Chair: Cheryl Scott, Former President and Chief Executive Officer, Group Health
    Father Stephen Sundborg, President, Seattle University
    Joe Knight, Dean, University of Washington School of Law
    David Boerner, Associate Professor of Law, Seattle University
    Philip Eaton, President, Seattle Pacific University
    Patricia Aitken, Arbitrator/Mediator, Judicial Arbitration and Mediation Services
    Suzanne Sinclair, Auditor, Island County
    Nick Handy, Director of Elections, State of Washington
    John Lindback, Elections Director, State of Oregon
    Susan Hutchison, Executive Director, Charles Simonyi Fund for Arts and Sciences

    Clearly a group of people who know nothing about elections or the law. What could Ron Sims have been thinking?

  85. Who Knows spews:

    Monday, 10/16/06 at 6:38 pm

    Daddy

    you have proved your point, too bad simms didn’t take their recommendations.

    Pay thousands for a recomendation, then don’t follow the Experts advice

    Typical Simms

  86. Who Knows spews:

    Monday, 10/16/06 at 6:44 pm

    Where is the Elected Auditor…..Oops, they found a person of interest, be HE didn’t want to be an elected offical, responsible to the People of this County.

    Where did he Go? Did he just vanish, even after Simms convinced the council to forego the vote to elect an auditor before the people??????????

    You are Right Daddy, Simms hired the Best, But he didn’t listen to them, what’s new? huh?

  87. Mike Barer spews:

    Monday, 10/16/06 at 11:03 pm

    I think that the estate tax could be mended in some ways but I think it is fair because we working fools pay tax on our labor. Maybe exemptions could be made for small businesses and for property while closing loopholes on trusts.

  88. David spews:

    Monday, 10/16/06 at 11:14 pm

    @15 Bundy worked on the re-election campaign of Washington’s Republican Governor Dan Evans. Evans was elected and he appointed Bundy to the Seattle Crime Prevention Advisory Committee. Bundy’s political future seemed secure, when in 1973 he became assistant to Ross Davis, chairman of the Washington State Republican Party.

  89. David spews:

    Monday, 10/16/06 at 11:30 pm

    @37

    Ted Bundy was our paperboy. The last summer he worked a girl was murdered a couple blocks from our house. From what I remember, it fit his known crimestyle profile. Because of this I always figured he started about 11.

    Anyways, we can go down the list and find about equal psychos in both major parties. It is fascinating how many mass and serial killer’s politics are known, since its so hard to get so many ‘normal’ citizens to vote. Must be a feeling of power or something.

  90. Mike Barer spews:

    Tuesday, 10/17/06 at 6:06 pm

    I don’t think that Bundy being a Republican is relevent. I think that Dick Nixon being a Republican is relevant. There is a reason why his first name was Dick

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