President Bush said that he has “no intention” of attacking North Korea
Because of course, we only attack countries that don’t have nuclear weapons. That’s exactly why North Korea developed them.
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Well, attacking countries without any weapons of mass destructions, or viable denfenses, for that matter.
Oh, and countries who aren’t allied China… piss off China, then China decides, hey, trade embargo the USofA, and then you piss off Walmart who will need to find another manufacturing source. Piss off Walmart, then the “average American” will get pissed off at having to pay higher prices then they want for their consumer crap…
Holy October suprise!
Did Bushco force the Koreans
Newsweek International, not the National edition.
By Selig S. Harrison
Newsweek International
Oct. 16, 2006 issue – On Sept. 19, 2005, North Korea signed a widely heralded denuclearization agreement with the United States, China, Russia, Japan and South Korea. Pyongyang pledged to “abandon all nuclear weapons and existing nuclear programs.” In return, Washington agreed that the United States and North Korea would “respect each other’s sovereignty, exist peacefully together and take steps to normalize their relations.”
Four days later, the U.S. Treasury Department imposed sweeping financial sanctions against North Korea designed to cut off the country’s access to the international banking system, branding it a “criminal state” guilty of counterfeiting, money laundering and trafficking in weapons of mass destruction.
Read the whole story below
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15...../newsweek/
Hastert should get a nuke.
Set your TIVOs and tune your radios for tonight’s broadcast of the Burner/Reichert Debate:
TVW Cable channel 23 at 7:00pm Pacific Time. (served on the web sometime afterward)
KUOW 94.9 FM at 9:00pm Pacific Time. (+streaming on the web)
Here’s a preview.
Darcy stomped Reichert’s butt. Hard.
I strongly suggest this drinking game: drink whenever Reichert points out he was a sheriff, drink whenever Reichert pauses to page through his prepared answers, finish your drink when Reichert says he doesn’t know anything about an issue and passes on the question (really!).
“I have no plans on my desk at this point in time” to attack Iraq
GW Bush June 4 2002
That’s why 83% of Americans don’t believe him when he talks about Iraq. Don’t beleieve him when he talks about NK. His eyes are brown for a reason.
4 Lyndon
I’m adding one: drink whenever he mentions the Green River killer.
If we offered to trade our lunatic president for North Korea’s lunatic president, would we have to throw in a first round draft pick and some cash incentives to close the deal?
2 danw
Interesting article.
Vice Foreign Minister Kim Gye Gwan says, “We are definitely prepared to carry out the Sept. 19 agreement, step by step, but we won’t completely and finally dismantle our nuclear weapons program until our relations with the United States are fully normalized. That will take some time, and until we reach the final target, we should find a way to coexist.”
Hmmm, but the sanctions imposed are exactly the opposite of the agreement’s “normalizing relations.” Gwan says, perceptively, “At the very time when we were engaged in such a long dialogue last year, your side was planning for sanctions. Cheney did this to prevent further dialogue that would lead to peaceful coexistence….We have concluded that your administration is dysfunctional.”
That’s OK, Gwan, so have we.
The article even more or less lays out exactly what they want to give and what they want to receive.
The US (Cheney administration) answer: we will never give you what you want. Well, guess what? Then we never get what WE want, and events escalate beyond today’s mess. Which is what the Cheney administration wants: war.
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And a lunatic to be named later. My vote is for Bolton.
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If they’d take Bolton too, I think I’d have to make that trade.
The Clinton administration determined that a military attack would result in 100,000 dead from North Korean retaliation.
WIngnuts, front and center: your mission is to be among them.
I’ll bet there is an SSBN somewhere in the Western Pacific on patrol with 40-50 North Korean targets programed and ready to go. One Trident: North Korean problem is solved.
Sen. Harry Reid: $1 Million in Shady Land Deal
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Tax Cuts Working: Deficit Lowest in 4 Years
Bush Presses Congress to Make Tax Cuts Permanent
Sen. Reid: $1 Million in Shady Land Deal
Prosecutor: Rove Didn’t Sway Spam Probe
Bush: Foley ‘Disgusting,’ Backs Hastert
Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid collected a $1.1 million windfall on a Las Vegas land sale even though he hadn’t personally owned the property for three years, property deeds show.
In the process, Reid did not disclose to Congress an earlier sale in which he transferred his land to a company created by a friend and took a financial stake in that company, according to records and interviews. [……Typical slimy Democrat]
JCH @ 12:
STFU about anything and everything US Navy. You have no idea what goes on in the fleet or naval operations, or even ‘who has the conn’ at General Quarters.
IF you ever served in a “navy,” at best it was North Korea’s or Iran’s navy. More likely, though, it was the bathtub navy. Go on Puddle Pirate, mind your own business. The honest and intellectual adults are talking now.
Why don’t you run along and see what your friend Mark Foley is doing — as if we didn’t know. Or, you could see what homosexual activity your hero, the “Duke-ster” is up to. I’d say he’s taking it up to 10″ of Tookie style lovin’ in his bung hole right now.
Dick.
12 JCH
I’m sure that China, Japan, and South Korea would be ever so happy if we detonated several nuclear missiles in their neighborhood. Just think of the internation cooperation we could count on after that!
Six-party talks with North Korea failing, they conduct a nuclear test in our faces, no military options….what do we do?
Bush has the answer. Stay the course. Mike McGavick and Dave Reichert agree.
NK doesn’t have oil, either.
Remember what Harry Reid said. “Whatever George Bush says, belive just the opposite”.
No more accurate quote has ever been uttered in the history of politics……
“One Trident: North Korean problem is solved.
Commentby Doctor JCH Kennedy, ESQ— 10/11/06@ 12:00 pm”
And a nuclear war with China created.
That’s the level of thinking in the conservative movement that has failed America at every single level of government.
Take a small problem and make it a crisis.
Where are the troll whores, Janet S and HowCanYouBeProudToBeAnAss at lately?
Dodging their words like 99.9% of the conservatives. At least we have JCH as our punching bag and my personal Blog Bitch.
From the AP:
http://www.comcast.net/news/po.....96574.html
Not gonna report on ethics problems in your own party?
(From last thread):
Just as an FYI for further research on North Korea, and other topics related to Asia, the Far Eastern Economic Review is an excellent primary source in English.
Their website can be found here
Most of their archives are available only to subscribers, but the ProQuest database has searchable text from 1987 to the present day.
Seattle Public Library cardholders can get access to Proquest here
KCLS cardholders can go here
Finally, Sno-Isle users can go here
Once you’re blessed by your local library, search the FEER for North Korea articles using this link:
http://proquest.umi.com/pqdweb.....;PageNum=1
Bush’s Nuclear Apocalypse: Iran
by Chris Hedges
Oct 9,2006
Editor’s Note: The former Middle East bureau chief for The New York Times and author of the bestseller “War Is a Force That Gives Us Meaning” reports on Bush’s plan for Iran, and how a callous war, conceived by zealots, will lead to a disaster of biblical proportions.
The aircraft carrier Eisenhower, accompanied by the guided-missile cruiser USS Anzio, guided-missile destroyer USS Ramage, guided-missile destroyer USS Mason and the fast-attack submarine USS Newport News, is, as I write, making its way to the Straits of Hormuz off Iran. The ships will be in place to strike Iran by the end of the month. It may be a bluff. It may be a feint. It may be a simple show of American power. But I doubt it.
War with Iran-a war that would unleash an apocalyptic scenario in the Middle East-is probable by the end of the Bush administration. It could begin in as little as three weeks. This administration, claiming to be anointed by a Christian God to reshape the world, and especially the Middle East, defined three states at the start of its reign as “the Axis of Evil.” They were Iraq, now occupied; North Korea, which, because it has nuclear weapons, is untouchable; and Iran. Those who do not take this apocalyptic rhetoric seriously have ignored the twisted pathology of men like Elliott Abrams, who helped orchestrate the disastrous and illegal contra war in Nicaragua, and who now handles the Middle East for the National Security Council. He knew nothing about Central America. He knows nothing about the Middle East. He sees the world through the childish, binary lens of good and evil, us and them, the forces of darkness and the forces of light. And it is this strange, twilight mentality that now grips most of the civilian planners who are barreling us towards a crisis of epic proportions.
These men advocate a doctrine of permanent war, a doctrine which, as William R. Polk points out, is a slight corruption of Leon Trotsky’s doctrine of permanent revolution. These two revolutionary doctrines serve the same function, to intimidate and destroy all those classified as foreign opponents, to create permanent instability and fear and to silence domestic critics who challenge leaders in a time of national crisis. It works. The citizens of the United States, slowly being stripped of their civil liberties, are being herded sheep-like, once again, over a cliff. __But this war will be different. It will be catastrophic. It will usher in the apocalyptic nightmares spun out in the dark, fantastic visions of the Christian right. And there are those around the president who see this vision as preordained by God; indeed, the president himself may hold such a vision.
The hypocrisy of this vaunted moral crusade is not lost on those in the Middle East. Iran actually signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. It has violated a codicil of that treaty written by European foreign ministers, but this codicil was never ratified by the Iranian parliament. I do not dispute Iran’s intentions to acquire nuclear weapons nor do I minimize the danger should it acquire them in the estimated five to 10 years. But contrast Iran with Pakistan, India and Israel. These three countries refused to sign the treaty and developed nuclear weapons programs in secret. Israel now has an estimated 400 to 600 nuclear weapons. The word “Dimona,” the name of the city where the nuclear facilities are located in Israel, is shorthand in the Muslim world for the deadly Israeli threat to Muslims’ existence. What lessons did the Iranians learn from our Israeli, Pakistani and Indian allies?
Given that we are actively engaged in an effort to destabilize the Iranian regime by recruiting tribal groups and ethnic minorities inside Iran to rebel, given that we use apocalyptic rhetoric to describe what must be done to the Iranian regime, given that other countries in the Middle East such as Egypt and Saudi Arabia are making noises about developing a nuclear capacity, and given that, with the touch of a button Israel could obliterate Iran, what do we expect from the Iranians? On top of this, the Iranian regime grasps that the doctrine of permanent war entails making “preemptive” and unprovoked strikes.
Those in Washington who advocate this war, knowing as little about the limitations and chaos of war as they do about the Middle East, believe they can hit about 1,000 sites inside Iran to wipe out nuclear production and cripple the 850,000-man Iranian army. The disaster in southern Lebanon, where the Israeli air campaign not only failed to break Hezbollah but united most Lebanese behind the militant group, is dismissed. These ideologues, after all, do not live in a reality-based universe. The massive Israeli bombing of Lebanon failed to pacify 4 million Lebanese. What will happen when we begin to pound a country of 70 million people? As retired General Wesley K. Clark and others have pointed out, once you begin an air campaign it is only a matter of time before you have to put troops on the ground or accept defeat, as the Israelis had to do in Lebanon. And if we begin dropping bunker busters, cruise missiles and iron fragmentation bombs on Iran this is the choice that must be faced-either sending American forces intul can’t always succeed against the poor and less powerful.”
An attack on Iran will ignite the Middle East. The loss of Iranian oil, coupled with Silkworm missile attacks by Iran on oil tankers in the Persian Gulf, could send oil soaring to well over $110 a barrel. The effect on the domestic and world economy will be devastating, very possibly triggering a huge, global depression. The 2 million Shiites in Saudi Arabia, the Shiite majority in Iraq and the Shiite communities in Bahrain, Pakistan and Turkey will turn in rage on us and our dwindling allies. We will see a combination of increased terrorist attacks, including on American soil, and the widespread sabotage of oil production in the Gulf. Iraq, as bad as it looks now, will become a death pit for American troops as Shiites and Sunnis, for the first time, unite against their foreign occupiers.
The country, however, that will pay the biggest price will be Israel. And the sad irony is that those planning this war think of themselves as allies of the Jewish state. A conflagration of this magnitude could see Israel drawn back in Lebanon and sucked into a regional war, one that would over time spell the final chapter in the Zionist experiment in the Middle East. The Israelis aptly call their nuclear program “the Samson option.” The Biblical Samson ripped down the pillars of the temple and killed everyone around him, along with himself.
If you are sure you will be raptured into heaven, your clothes left behind with the nonbelievers, then this news should cheer you up. If you are rational, however, these may be some of the last few weeks or months in which to enjoy what is left of our beleaguered, dying republic and way of life.
JCH is criminally insane.
Not gonna report on ethics problems in your own party?
Why? You guys are doing that for us. Throw Reid out and replace him with a real democrat.
Now, how about Hastert’s land deal? You gonna’ report on THAT ethics problem? No? Didn’t think so.
ehadless lucy
No offense, but you should excerpt only and then link to the full content. That’s really “fair use” under copyright law, and it allows those who are really interested to follow up while sparing those who aren’t so much.
Use <blockquote></blockquote> tags for the excerpt and it will indent the content.
21 Hypocrite watcher
“Not gonna report on ethics problems in your own party?”
I don’t know who you’re talking to. The deal seems sloppy but not shady. Reid reported teh sale to Congress, but the informal arrangements beforehand he did not. I think he shoudl have, but there does not seem to be even an appearance of a conflict of interest, just improper reporting.
It’s not like he used information from his office to profit, and did not use the influence of his office to profit. He just reported it wrong. It should go to the Ethics committe for breaking the reporting requirements.
I think they might be a little busy right now, though. Don’t you?
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Can’t argue with you there.
John McCain today (re: NKorea)
“I think this is the wrong time for us to be engaging in finger pointing…” when in this crucial time, we need the world and Americans united in going to the United Nations to bring about sanctions against North Korea.
John McCain yesterday
“The fact is that it is a failure of the Clinton administration…”
No one except him, maybe? Or IOKIYAR?
NoKo has been developing WMD since GWB was governor of Texas. Believe it or not, Goldy, the world’s foreign policy problems weren’t all created by Bush.
“the world’s foreign policy problems weren’t all created by Bush.
Commentby Jimmy Carteer— 10/11/06@ 3:24 pm
But he did make them all worse. Going from the point in 2002 when the nuclear fuel rods were under lock and key to NK kicking out the inspectors, while declaring they were going to make a nuclear bomb, all the while Bush had other priorities besides protecting the vital interests of America’s security.
Now the worst kinds of weapons are in the hands of a rouge dictator and up for sale to any terrorists willing to use them against the United States.
Defending the Homeland is no priority of the Republicans, otherwise, they would’ve adopted the Democrat’s ideas on spending money to inspect cargo ships against nuclear and radioactive weapons from entering US ports.
That’s the difference from trying to protect America and doing nothing.
30 Jimmeh
North Korea was stopped from enriching used fuel rods into plutonium, a process they started under GHW Bush I, by President Clinton’s military mobilization, a subsequent threat of attack, and simultaneous offers of aid. A sucessful agreement was reached, and NK put the fuel rods on ice from 1994-2002. However, ropund about 2000 our intelligence services began picking upo traces of activity that appeared to be uranium enrichment (a very different process that even if allowed to continue would not have produced a bomb by now).
In 2002, North Korea claimed that they had been enriching uranium, though it was never definitively established. Bush used the occasion to abrogate the 1994 Agreed Framework. NK, in return, pulled out of the NPT, kicked out the IAEA inspectors, grabbed their fuel rods and started reprocessing to create weapns-grade plutonium. Bush (and his people) have failed to negotiate any kind of subsequent agreement to persuade them to stop.
Our intelligence services estimate that they have gotten material for about 13 bombs that way since 2002. They just exploded the first one.
What part of what has happened since 2002 is NOT Bush’s fault?
31 GBS
Ooh, a rouge dictator? I’ll bet he’s cute that way.
Proud Leftist,
I understand your statement about trading leaders is in jest. Rest assured that American women won’t tolerate NK’s leader here in the US! I don’t know any females who want to be FORCED into prostitution or FORCED to marry some political friend of someone’s.
Do you want your city leader or should I say military leader selecting your bride for you?
DL @ 33:
LOL, Yeah, all pretty in PINK like JCH getting into his mommy’s make up.
OK, OK “rogue” dictator!
Mac @ 34
I was joking, for the most part. With regard to his own people, there’s not a lot to say in Kim Il Jung’s defense. On the other hand, at least he’s not off launching preemptive wars in far parts of the world.
13. jch / Re: Sen. Harry Reid: $1 Million in Shady Land Deal
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“Actually, he did own that land. It just so happened that three years ago, he transfered the property from his own personal name to that of an LLC.
It’d be kind of like me selling Daily Kos, and someone claiming I reaped a windfall from it because I “sold it three years ago”. I didn’t. Daily Kos became an LLC. As did Reid’s piece of land.
And btw, this was all disclosed to the ethics committee. The place were things got sloppy is that Reid continued to disclose ownership of the land as a personal asset rather than ownership in the LLC which owned the land. But that’s it. Fact is, the LLC had no other assets other than this piece of land, and Reid disclosed ownership of the piece of land.
Solomon is either being dishonest or an idiot. But watch the wingers and GOP try to gain traction off this story to divert from their coddling of a sexual predator.
Update: Note that there is no charge or evidence or anything that would suggest that Reid used his position of authority to boost the value of the land. That would be troublesome. As it is in NC-11 where Rep. Charles Taylor (R) used earmarks to line his pockets.”
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo...../175829/67
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NOTHING you won’t lie about is there, asshole!
jch.
What a fuckwit.
Rujax @ 38:
Tell us how you really feel about, JCH.
jch, a man of whom it can truly be said, “He left the world a better place…by leaving it.”
I’d like to propose something in this thread for idle speculation.
North Korea doesn’t have a bomb.
Here are some things to ponder:
Engineering:
a) The explosion was < 1Kt. b) The original "Little Boy" bomb was about 15Kt c) The designs for a fission bomb (ala "Little Boy", the Hiroshima bomb) are dirt simple. You take two chunks of uranium which are of subcritical mass and slam them into each other. The resulting "supercritical" mass goes boom. While refining enough U-235 to make a fissionable weapon is a major accomplishment, making it explode once you have it is not. (Note: Plutonium-based weapons are much more complicated. Yes, they really ARE rocket science) c) We can speculate that based on the yield of the explosion (1/15th or less of the original Hiroshima bomb) was probably not the result of a chain reaction. Political: a) Kim Jong-Il gets a lot of mileage out of acting insane. It works. He behaves badly, everyone gos back and renegotiates agreements with North Korea over and over, and he squeezes out a slightly bigger allowance than he had last time. b) Actually having a weapon increases the odds that the interested parties will decide he's no longer weird and annoying, and is actually dangerous. This could lead to a bunch of scenarios that would be detrimental to Kim enjoying a happy retirement. As I've said before, there's a lot of reluctance to do this because nobody wants to see millions of refugees in China, Japan, and South Korea. When people start weighing the unplesantness of millions of refugees vs the unpleasantless of Seoul or Tokyo glowing in the dark, their willingness to swallow unpleasant scenarios changes. c) Ambiguity buys time, although time for what I'm not sure. He won't be invaded because there might be a nuclear response. He gets to negotiate more goodies in exchange for handing over whatever he does have. Kim gets to look good to his consituency (yes, he has one, it’s probably a constituency of 100 or so) because he gets to play poker and win against much bigger opponents.
Sooner or later we’ll look for radiation leakage and won’t find it. At that point, the game is up.
re 26: Gotcha! I’ll do that.
weird, my message got mangled.
I blame the NSA.
PL,
I knew you were joking, it just hit a nerve because I heard a story, yesterday I think, that he created a special group of girls, some as young as 13 to give him sex…………
I also watched a news report of a Korean War deserter who lived in the North for years. I was more disgusted by his treatment to include ordering him when and to whom he would marry than I was over his desertion…………………….
sgmmac @ 44:
I’ve heard stories of deserters who went to the North.
As bad as desertion is, I figure 40 years of living in NK is more than enough punishment.
ST. LOUIS – Election officials say hundreds of potentially bogus registration cards, including ones for dead and underage people, were submitted by a branch of a national group that has been criticized in the past for similar offenses. At least 1,500 potentially fraudulent registration cards were turned in by the St. Louis branch of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN……[“Mother Fuck…Hows can that bees? We bees votin Democrat in East St. Louis!”]
46, cont…..”You white modda fuckas trying to steal the ‘lection and stop ma guvment check!!! White devil mofos!!!”
“Eyes don’t need no mofo ID. I vote Democrat at every poll in Detroit, Broward County, and Gary! I gets smokes. I gets KFC with ma food stamps. I gets King Cobra. I gets Black Velvet, and I gots a mother fucking 42 SONY after Katrina!! You white modda fuckas trying to steal the ‘lection and stop ma Democrat guvment check!!! White devil mofos!!!”
Moonbat quiz: Where does peace come from?
1) Attempting to pacify and appease assholes.
2) Destroying asshole’s ability to make war.
Hint: 1980s….
MTR @ 49:
And isn’t it interesting that option 2 hasn’t been excercised yet? I’m sure we can blame the Democrats for this somehow.
Ummm, dude. Really, we have to talk.
Whatever small (ahem) failings Kim Jong-Il has as an economic manager, he is neither stupid nor crazy.
Kim has built his broken little rathole with the full knowledge that a substantial portion of the US military is RIGHT NEXT FUCKING DOOR.
Another substantial portion of the military is also RIGHT NEXT FUCKING DOOR IN OKINAWA.
If he had done something stupid like putting a refining facility in plain sight (like Saddam did back in 1980, remember?), this would be a solved problem. The facility would be bombed flat, there would be a huge hole in the ground, and there would be no facility.
If we didn’t feel like leaving our fingerprints on it, South Korea has a dandy air force.
There’s nothing to bomb. There is some speculation as to where refining facilities might be, and they’re under many many tons of rock.
For the 999th time, there is NO political support anywhere in Asia for regime change in North Korea. Ask any pol in China, Japan, or South Korea if the world would be better without Kim Jong-Il in it, and the answer will be some variation of “Yes, but…”
So, for the last time.
There is no clear site to bomb. You will not get blessings from the neighbors to decapitate the leadership the way we did in Iraq.
So what are you going to do?
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The horse’s ASS is X President Carter. He is a traitor to this country. If he had peanuts for brains, he might be smarter. It never ceases to amaze me, being only a dumb nineth grade 68 year old female;
Money that people can believe the garbage the social party dishes out. Especially the likes of Jimmy Carter, Bill and Hillary, and James Soros dish out.
I”ve worked since I was 12 years old and raised 3 children and no welfare, and I am better for it. The sociaist party would keep you dependent while they fill their pockets and tell you what they are doing for you. Wise up to socialism. You will never have anything if you look to them for your living. They DO NOT WANT YOU TO HAVE WHAT THEY HAVE; after all you are not as smart or deserving as them, ” YOU ARE TO STUPID TO KNOW WHAT IS GOOD FOR YOU”.