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This past weekend FEMA and the City of Austin, along with the Texas Workforce Commission setup a job training/hiring/interview/job fair for all the Katrina FEMA evacuees in the Austin area to be held at the ACC campus on Webberville Road in East Austin. Several of the evacuees said they had no transportation to get from the apartment complexes.
So the city of Austin/FEMA/TWC set up transportation for each of them to ensure they would be able to partake of the benefit of job searching. The transportation consisted of nine buses and vans, to run from four locations in Round Rock, and five locations in Austin, in continuing shuttles back and forth to the campus to ensure that the hundreds of people looking for jobs would be transported in comfort. The vehicles were brought to their residences; drivers knocked on the doors; and every effort was made.
At the end of the day, the nine vans and buses transported a total of one person. Not one person per bus – one person total.
At the end of the day, none of the Katrina Evacuees applied for any of the jobs.
Not one person took employment – NONE total.
The bill to FEMA was $7800.
And yet they still get on TV claiming that the United States Government “OWES THEM”, I say we don’t owe them anything and if anything, they OWE us – the Tax Payers that are “WORKING PEOPLE”, and they owe what they have been mooching off of the Tax Payers for almost a year now. It is obvious that they don’t intend to work as long as they can sponge off of the system. It is time to cut them loose and tell them the free ride is over!
And yet they still get on TV claiming that the United States Government “OWES THEM”…
Commentby Doctor JCH Kennedy— 9/19/06@ 4:51 pm
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There does seem to the an air of entitlement from some of the people involved. In a year or two nobody will remember it. It will be as relevant as McGavick’s DUI.
What’s your point, JCH?
We’re spending $8 BILLION per month in Iraq.
If there are 60 seconds in a minute, 60 minutes in an hour, 24 hours in a day, and an average of 30.41 days in a month, how long does it take for Bush to spend $7,800 in Iraq?
Get your fucking head on straight and stop suporting the stated goals of Osama bin Laden to bankrupt America.
You terroritst sympathizer.
typo @ 3 should read “supporting”
A former Department of Homeland Security press aide, Brian J. Doyle, 56, pleaded no contest Tuesday to charges that he had sexually explicit online conversations with someone he thought was a 14-year-old girl.
Some more of that good ol’ fashion conservative Christian values that Republicans love to tout.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14909810/
JCH, you have experience in this area, don’t you? Being a conservative and all some sort of criminal activity lies in your past.
Besides- most people here illegally or not Mexican, not even Hispanic- they came on visas and overstayed.
Commentby Jim King—— 9/17/06@ 7:38 pm
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Bullshit,you don’t know what you’re talking about. You have no idea how many illegal aliens are in the country or how many are Mexican or Hispanic.
Commentby americafirst—— 9/17/06@ 9:11 pm
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Got those figures yet, Jim King? Nah, it’s easier just to pull them out of your ass.
Stick to calling people racist, Jim King. Your ass works just fine for that.
GBS IS A PISS ANT WHO GOT BOOTED OUT OF THE NAVY.HE CLAIMED TO BE AN EN-1 (ENGINEMAN) SO HE PROBLEY FIXES LAWN MOWERS FOR A LIVING IN HIS TRAILER PARK.
Great ad!
What the fuck was the item on the ballot today about raising taxes to pay for the AFIS system? WTF? Shouldn’t county gummint pay for law enforcement out of the FIRST tax dollar? How ’bout they do that, and then ask me if I want to pay for the babysitter referral service, or the hotline for dating tips for teens or those fucking salmon sculptures at eastgate P&R?
And why did Sims put it on a primary ballot? ‘Cause he thinks it would get killed in a regular election? It isn’t a big thing, but it just pisses me off when he does sneaky shit like this.
I voted no…
Het Carl! How many other posters on HA.ORG have had to put their wives on this board to “defend” them? hehe, JCH
E-3 GBS, shine my shoes!! LT JCH
President Bush’s policies in the Middle East are “moving the world toward war,” Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Tuesday, maintaining that Iran was a peaceful nation that merely wanted to be left alone to “stand on its [own] feet.”
“The U.S. government thinks that it’s still the period after World War II,” Ahmadinejad said in an interview with Brian Williams, anchor and managing editor of “NBC Nightly News,” a mindset that led Bush to believe that he “can rule, therefore, over the rest of the world.”
Source:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14911603/
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Democrats are now writing speeches for the Iranian moonbat. Did one of John Kerry’s speech writers move to Iran?
typo @ 3 should read “supporting”
Commentby GBS [………Another “Patya” Beach, GBS?]
This past weekend FEMA and the City of Austin, along with the Texas Workforce Commission setup a job training/hiring/interview/job fair for all the Katrina FEMA evacuees in the Austin area to be held at the ACC campus on Webberville Road in East Austin. Several of the evacuees said they had no transportation to get from the apartment complexes.
So the city of Austin/FEMA/TWC set up transportation for each of them to ensure they would be able to partake of the benefit of job searching. The transportation consisted of nine buses and vans, to run from four locations in Round Rock, and five locations in Austin, in continuing shuttles back and forth to the campus to ensure that the hundreds of people looking for jobs would be transported in comfort. The vehicles were brought to their residences; drivers knocked on the doors; and every effort was made.
At the end of the day, the nine vans and buses transported a total of one person. Not one person per bus – one person total.
At the end of the day, none of the Katrina Evacuees applied for any of the jobs.
Not one person took employment – NONE total.
The bill to FEMA was $7800.
And yet they still get on TV claiming that the United States Government “OWES THEM”, I say we don’t owe them anything and if anything, they OWE us – the Tax Payers that are “WORKING PEOPLE”, and they owe what they have been mooching off of the Tax Payers for almost a year now. It is obvious that they don’t intend to work as long as they can sponge off of the system. It is time to cut them loose and tell them the free ride is over!
Commentby Doctor JCH Kennedy— 9/19/06@ 4:51 pm
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What’s your point, JCH?
We’re spending $8 BILLION per month in Iraq.
Commentby GBS— 9/19/06@ 5:05 pm
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You ask “what’s your point?” You can’t understand the point?
You are too stupid to qualify for moonbat rating, GBS, we need a new category for you.
Now that the U.S. government has acknowledged that it sent an innocent man to Syria, where he was tortured, which of you right wingers is willintg to volunteer to be hanged for this crime?
Commentby Roger Rabbit— 9/19/06@ 11:18 am
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You are off your meds again, moonbat.
Now AmericaFirst: GBS has issues with John. You need to go back to January entries on ASSWipes to see the genesis of this conflict.
Although GBS: JCH makes a good point. Those liveing on the dole make no move to get off the free ride. Unfortunately thems be my peeps and it sickens me to see them suck the public teat as Jesse and Al keep them doing. When Good people like Bill Cosby or Juan Williams (whom I disagree with their politics) write essays and books about how blacks are lazy then are pariahed by blacks and whites!
The Christian community really supports Christian voters. All you have to do is go to Pastor’s picks and Walla all your choices are right there. It makes it so easy.
walla?
Perchance, did you mean VOILA?
JCH
Gee, shouldn’t you link to a credible news source for stuff you want us to actually believe?
This was on WorldNetDaily, right?
Awesome ad.
Guess the trolls don’t want to talk about how bad 933 is going to lose in November.
Where is the Yes campaign anyway?
How many innocent Muslims are we going to kidnap, imprison, and torture before we start asking a hard question or two?
40 little minutes or so till some results roll in.
Will the drinkers liberally still be sober enough to understand their meaning?
Is Gerry just call me Garry suffering a bit of indigestion?
Is Tran going to regret not taking the job-bribe from Maria?
Will TaxMaxSims find enough votes for his pet whatever?
Oh the suspense!
How many innocent Muslims are we going to kidnap, imprison, and torture before we start asking a hard question or two?
Commentby Daddy Love— 9/19/06@ 7:20 pm
How many are we allowed?
How many are there?
Oh I get it… it was an oxymoron: ‘innocent’ ‘Muslims’.
Very good daddy-o, you made a funny.
Who said liberals were humorless?
Anon
Those would be the answers. Go on the record, you murderous fuck.
Anon
No, I didn’t say “intelligent Republican.”
or “compassonate conservative”…
”Please don’t kill me.”
How many innocent Muslims are we going to kidnap, imprison, and torture before we start asking a hard question or two?
Commentby Daddy Love— 9/19/06@ 7:20 pm
How many are we allowed?
How many are there?
Commentby Anonymous— 9/19/06@ 7:24 pm
That is a good question. How may are there? I guess we could start with the muslim children who are not packing a bomb and work from there.
Canadian intelligence officials passed false warnings and bad information to American agents about a Muslim Canadian citizen, after which U.S. authorities secretly whisked him to Syria, where he was tortured, a judicial report found Monday.
The report, released in Ottawa, was the result of a 2 1/2-year inquiry that represented one of the first public investigations into mistakes made as part of the United States’ “extraordinary rendition” program, which has secretly spirited suspects to foreign countries for interrogation by often brutal methods.
This is another reason why Bush has no credibility. Bush liked Syria when they were a tool for our torturers. But now Syria is evil because, among other reasons, they torture their prisoners.
Oh that’s right. We do too.
Most Americans (54 percent) don’t consider president Bush honest, most (54 percent) don’t think he shares their values and most (58 percent) say he does not inspire confidence. Bush’s stand on the issues is also problematic, with more than half (57 percent) of Americans saying they disagree with him on the issues they care about. That’s an indication that issues, not personal characteristics, are keeping his approval rating well below 50 percent …
let’s see, RUFUS & Anon,
How about we kidnap your mom, your dad, your spouse, your siblings, and any children you have, hld them idefinitely, and torture them. How about that? Seems like a good idea to me.
let’s see, RUFUS & Anon,
How about we kidnap your mom, your dad, your spouse, your siblings, and any children you have, hld them idefinitely, and torture them. How about that? Seems like a good idea to me.
Commentby Daddy Love— 9/19/06@ 7:41 pm
Actually I was thinking about putting the star of David on your entire family and sticking them in a pizzaria somewhere in Gaza. Now that would be interesting. I hope you like your pizza with extra sauce. hehe
Imagine that a real farmer as opposed to the rich oil company types who pretend to be farmers telling the truth about another right wing attack on reality.
I don’t know about the mail-in ballots, but on my in person poll ballot, for the Susan Owens / Johnson / Johnson race, it had the occupations next to each of the “Johnson” names
Michael Johnson (attorney)
Stephen Johnson (attorney / state senator)
and three other names including Owens down below with no information next to them. It seems to me that this would naturally give someone who didn’t know any of the justice candidates an edge in voting for either of these Johnsons since attorney and state senator were printed right next to their names.
That stinks.
http://www.hillnews.com/thehil.....lmart.html
The power of the American people at work. Beautiful.
Just for anyone looking for the primary results page over at the Secretary of State’s office, it’s at:
http://tinyurl.com/pchwy
Enjoy!
GROAN IS TOAST! Alexander carrying red Lewis County with 63%, Mason with 62%, Island with 54%- not to mention King with 62%…
Alexander also leads in Snohomish, Clallam, Kittitas, and Walla Walla…
King County
District Court Northeast Electoral District Judge Position No. 2
Richard Pope NP 3057 34.37%
Mary Ann Ottinger NP 3196 35.93%
Frank V. LaSalata NP 2638 29.66%
Write-in 4 0.04%
Snohomish County
NORTHEAST ELECTORAL DISTRICT JUDGE POS 2
Richard Pope 508 39.56%
Mary Ann Ottinger 491 38.24%
Frank V. LaSalata 282 21.96%
Write-In 3 0.23%
Clark county going for Alexander, 54%…
Kitsap for Alexander, 55%…
Looking better and better…
If Pope somehow steals this election I promise to spend 40 hours a week making sure each and every mistake he makes on the bench (and there will be many) is documented and made public until he is finally run out of town on a rail!
Semen Recruit JC (pee wee) H… Get a life you inbred twat!
RightEqualsStupid @ 42
Look forward to seeing you observing my courtroom. Would enjoy having lunch with you from time to time, and getting your feedback on my on-the-bench performance.
Alexander now leading statewide with 53.3%…
Chambers polling 57.4%…
Owens with 43.5%, Steve Johnson with 33.8%, Other Johnson at 11.4%…
Tim Sheldon leading Kyle Taylor Lucas with 56.2%…
Big money losing all around…
Bottom line: No ID, No Vote!!!! [Dems would lose 25% of their votes]
Hey Carl, How many other posters on HA.ORG have to get their wives to “protect” them on this web? hehe, JCH
Former New Orleans chief technology officer Greg Meffert wasn’t the only prominent city official to throw a party on the Silicon Bayou, the yacht purchased last year by four partners in a technology firm that has received millions of dollars in city work since Meffert’s arrival at City Hall. On July 8, about a month before Meffert’s 41st birthday cruise, Mayor Ray Nagin hosted his own party on the boat.
Comments:
So what else is new? Business as usual in the Bayou Kleptocracy. “Gotsta KFC, gotsta King Cobra, gotsta Black Velvet, and mother fucka, Eyes gotsta big MoFo yacht!!!!”
Nagin could have saved himself some trouble and thrown a party on one of those school buses that I’m sure are still floating around there somewhere.
Richard Pope:
Given that I believe your heart is in the right place, I voted for you. Don’t let me down. Where are you tracking the results of your race? I can find everything but the District Judge race.
Good luck!
So by 9:30 on primary night Burner is getting more votes in the 8th district, in both counties, than the incumbant. Cantwell is ripping up McGavick. And Esser, Jarrett, Nixon and other eastside GOP candidates are getting fewer votes than the democrats running against them in the general.
The moderate Republican, Jim Hines, is beating former state Rep Lois McMahan for the GOP state Senate nomination in the 26th- McMahan is the state rep that walked out the day that an imam gave the opening prayer.. Maybe this will finally end the career of one of the great legislative embarrassments of the past twelve years…
Jamie Pederson leads in the 43rd for Ed Murray’s House seat…
Rufus @ 32:
Rufus, how good do you feel after the all the Jew comments you make? Seems to me that you and the Pacific Island dweller are cut from the same cloth.
Seems to me if you are man enough to make the comment, you should be man enough to put your name behind it. But the Wingfuck way is to start trouble with a lie, then deny and get out of town. Backing yourself up is a foreign concept to you spineless beings.
Carl Grossman
Democrat, Patriotic American
Thor- look at the total votes in those districts- very scanty returns…
From the Secretary of States office, claiming 100% reporting:
Darcy Burner, Democrat, 11474
Dave Reichert, Republican, 10438
http://vote.wa.gov/elections/P.....11d5bd6d16
If that holds up, this is going to be interesting.
There’s been over a half million votes conted statewide as of 9:30pm- that should average out to over 10,000 votes per legislative district. King County returns seem to vary from over 4,000 counted in the 43rd, to just over 1,800 in the 48th, and just over 2,100 in the 45th. The 10pm reports should be more revealing- if King County gets ballots counted.
Again, from the Sec. of State:
Groen, 192458, 46.4513%
Alexander, 221864, 53.5487%
http://vote.wa.gov/elections/P.....fe91452470
Commentby Jim King— 9/19/06@ 9:30 pm
“The moderate Republican, Jim Hines, is beating former state Rep Lois McMahan for the GOP state Senate nomination in the 26th- McMahan is the state rep that walked out the day that an imam gave the opening prayer.. Maybe this will finally end the career of one of the great legislative embarrassments of the past twelve years”
Mr. Hines did a very good job getting his message out and energizing his supporters, while Ms. McMahan put up a few signs and waved from the freeway overpass. (Yesterday, during rush hour, just this side of the bridge. Just the thing we need. Another distraction tying up traffic on the Narrows Bridge.)
Being a Derek Kilmer supporter, I was rather hoping that we’d get to run against Ms. McMahan again, but it will be a better race with Mr. Hines in it. (Although he still hasn’t repudiated that “Speaker’s Roundtable” ad.)
Of course, Derek is getting move votes (in an uncontested race) than both Ms. McMahan and Mr. Hines put together.
JDB- that is each candidate has 100% of the votes cast in their primary- not that 100% of votes have been counted…
John- I expect Derek to win in November- but watching McMahan go down to defeat is a good thing. I just wish Trent England was winning against Boehme- Boehme is worse than McMahan…
Unfortunately, moderate Republican Kitsap County Commissioner Patty Lent appears to be losing her primary. She was very helpful in getting Old Man House (formerly State) Park returned to the Suquamish Tribe- which is one reason the right hates her.
Can’t go being decent to the tribes, now…
Thanks Jim. I I didn’t think that it made sense that 100% reporting, but the way they had it laid out, it looked that way.
We’ll see where it is after the 10 and 11p updates. If it stays the same, Reichert is in serious trouble.
Jim
Yes, Ms. McMahan was an “interesting” individual. We’re both in the local Chamber of Commerce, and have been at a few of the same meetings.
I’ve met Captain Seaquist a couple of times, and he’s been active in both local and national politics for a while. Another one of those “social liberal, fiscal conservative” types, like yours truly. I like the guy, and think he’ll do well in the general election. I think that Mr. Boehme’s support is limited to the far right, so Captain Seaquist should do fine.
Yep, if I had looked at the Senate listings, I would have figured that out. Still, by this point of the night, this is significant:
Maria Cantwell: 235614
Mike McGavick: 163550
Nearly 70000 different.
JDB- that the choice of ballots is splitting roughly 50/50 in the Eighth- if it holds- should be of concern to the GOP. I can see a trend to D’s in the 47th because of the state Senate primary, but there is not generally a reason to favor one party over the other for prposes of having real primaries going on, other than in the 47th…
By the way- do not forget that at 10pm you should all pull your attention away from primary returns, and tune in the season opener of Boston Legal… Kirk sure has put on weight in the past forty years…
Jim:
Yep, if you have a 50/50 split that would surprise me, since the money spent for this election was intended to get conservatives out to elect Groen and Johnson.
Looking at the results, I would say the BIAW should thank the other candidates that filed against Owens as they are probably the only reason Johnson will get past the primary at this point.
Rufus @ 32:
Rufus, how good do you feel after the all the Jew comments you make? Seems to me that you and the Pacific Island dweller are cut from the same cloth.
Seems to me if you are man enough to make the comment, you should be man enough to put your name behind it. But the Wingfuck way is to start trouble with a lie, then deny and get out of town. Backing yourself up is a foreign concept to you spineless beings.
Carl Grossman
Democrat, Patriotic American
Commentby My Left Foot— 9/19/06@ 9:30 pm
I love the Jewish people. Long live Isreal. What did I say that was untrue? Is being brutally honest about the Jewish plight bug you Left foot? I believe the claim that the Jews oppress palestinians and their Arab neighbors is laughable. Do you have a problem with that Left foot? Here let me spell it out for you:
Jews living in Isreal defending their right for existence = Good
Arabs killing Jews = Evil
No grey about where I stand, just black and white. Nuff said.
Uh, folks, McGavick’s down by about 15 points…and King County’s barely reporting (less than 5% as of 10 pm). That’s only going toget worse. For Chrissakes, Cantwell is probably going to carry most of the counties on the west side of the state.
He’s toast. Stick a fork in him, he’s done (barring something totally sensational between now and Election Day). Insert your cliche here.
And yeah, the Republicans are not only down in the 8th CD, plus the 45th and 48th districts, but they’re also down in the 26th, Fred Jarrett’s losing in the 41st, Skip Priest is having issues in the 30th, and heck, even Pam and Dan Roach look like they might be in trouble in the 31st.
I was in Olympia primary night of 1994…and tonight is the exact opposite of that, where D’s are looking VERY strong outside of Republican strongholds (eastern Washington and some rural areas), and a bunch of R’s in swing/lean R districts are getting blitzed. The days of Tim Sheldon getting to be a Neanderthal fucktard and backstab the D’s are over in the Senate, folks. Governor Gregoire is going to have a soild progressive majority to govern with come 2007.
I’d like to give big wet sloppy kisses to the BIAW for wasting money on John Groen…because not only is he not going to win, they now have 2 million less to spend between now and Novrmber.
JDB- the court race, unlike the partisan primary, is still a beauty contest, and over 55% of the voters said NO to Owens.
Incumbents pulling less than 50% are in trouble, and with the Groen and Burrage distractions out of the way, it will be a very different campaign for the last Supreme Court seat.
There are a lot of interests who did not support Groen or Burrage, but do support Steve Johnson- and there will be less support for Owens standing alone than when she was being helped by being tied to Alexander and Chambers.
The weakest of the incumbents now stands alone…
Carl, I thought you were Jewish? Why are you attacking RUFUS? He is a neo-con like me. We love Israel. We believe in the Bible. We know God has a special place in His Heart for Israel.
You are a jewish screwup like your mirror image and Goldie. Where is the support for your home and native land? You don’t attend synogogue? Why is that? BTW Carl without hints from the PENIS gallery of left-wing whack-jobs what is my first name?
MWS has repeatedly asked Goldie to post the JP and Hz newslinks so moonbats like yourself can really see the world. But Goldie has a shriveled set of cojones. A real man would let his “faithful” see he has the cogliones to post another view. Instead Goldie sucks “bollocks”! Too bad!
Coward- in 1994, the primaries were a true indicator of how things might go in the general, with decades of data behind the analysis. The partisan primary skews that.
The D’s will undoubtedly hold their majorities in state House and Senate, but the primary results point, at best, to modest gains- and “progressives” need to push a state Senate majority to thirty or more to overcome the moderate to conservative Democrats. Ain’t going to happen.
The absolute ineptitude of the House Republican campaign effort may let the state House Democrats get to 60 members, but that is a problem of its own.
But your biggest error is you are crowing over east King County returns that are VERY incomplete, as pointed out earlier…
King has reported no new numbers since 8:35pm…
And to add onto my comment about 1994- I was working for a prominent Democratic campaign consultant that election. I looked at the primary results and knew we were in very, VERY big trouble.
This is 1994 Redux- but the Republicans are the ones who are going to take it in the shorts. I suspect they’ll lose 3-4 State Senate seats, 5-6 House Seats (basically, you won’t be able to find more than one or two Republican state legislators in King County…IF THAT, plus they’ll lose some other exurban/suburban races). Reichert’s in BIG trouble. McGavick, as already stated, is toast at thetop of the ticket, and the giant sucking sound you’ll hear is the sound of the national Rs withdrawing any meaningful support for him, as they are going to have to work their asses off just to keep guys like DeWine and Kyl in THEIR seats. They’re not going to have time to waste on guys 15 points down in September.
Reichert is likely to get some money and support…but man, are there going to be some LONG faces in the State Republican HQ tomorrow morning when they realize how much of a debacle Preznit Dumbass is leading them into.
Coward- in 1994, the primaries were a true indicator of how things might go in the general, with decades of data behind the analysis. The partisan primary skews that.
Um- I’ll bet you dollars to donuts it doesn’t. I’ve been watching state electoral politics for a while- and Maria Cantwell is winning in places like Island, Kitsap, Jefferson and Clallam County. And it ain’t close, either.
http://tinyurl.com/zwhg4
These are counties McGavick NEEDS to win, and big, if he has any shot. Gorton won those counties during his winning elections. The fact that McGavick’s getting killed outside the big urban areas…uh, not a good sign for the Rs. At all.
But your biggest error is you are crowing over east King County returns that are VERY incomplete, as pointed out earlier…
Dude, being even CLOSE in the 31st, which does have some returns,, BTW (and both Roaches are losing right now) is bad news for the Rs. That’s not a swing district. That’s lean R at best- mostly rural, and even the suburban parts are pretty conservative.
http://tinyurl.com/epfp8
http://tinyurl.com/zw2el
I might be wrong…but if there was going to be a very strong D general election, this is what it would look like in the primaries.
The ad was very well done. And the man is right, it’s not about farms. It’s about strip malls and condos.
70 Puddypud,
OK, let me be clear. Israel has a right to exist. The issue is far more complicated than you have allowed here. There are hundreds, even thousands, of years of history that affects both sides. There are territorial issues and religious issues. It is not just Arabs killing Jews. Certainly that is wrong. War is always bad, and seldom justified.
My home and native land is the United States of America. I attend synogogue. I have no idea about your first name. I do not take notes on the blog. I know you as Puddy. You certainly do not post your name on a regular basis on your posts. I do.
Carl, I thought you were Jewish?
Commentby Puddybud Mo Money Ray Nagin […..Perhaps Carl converted to Islam to “appease” the Muuuuuuuuslim terrorists?]
Puddybud:
“Hoo Hai b’Eeelooj'”
Coward- we have, even after the 10:33pm King County report, 10% of precincts and 3% of voters counted in the county. You are running awful fast with little info.
But if you are right, Goldmark is finished, and Marr with his quarter million dollars is, too.
Ward ran into the absentees with Roach four years ago- so nothing has changed.
Why don’t you wait ntil we get some substantial number of returns. As usual, King County is agonizingly slow to count.
In case anyone is keeping track of our own Mr. Pope’s race, here are the most recent numbers from the King and Snohomish County Auditor pages:
King County
Ballots Cast/Registered Voters: 11857 / 269166 4.41%
Poll Precincts Counted/Total Poll Precincts: 19
/ 660 2.88%
District Court Northeast Electoral District Judge Position No. 2
Richard Pope NP 3057 34.37%
Mary Ann Ottinger NP 3196 35.93%
Frank V. LaSalata NP 2638 29.66%
Write-in 4 0.04%
Snohomish County
NORTHEAST ELECTORAL DISTRICT JUDGE POS 2
Richard Pope 508 39.56%
Mary Ann Ottinger 491 38.24%
Frank V. LaSalata 282 21.96%
Write-In 3 0.23%
Current totals:
Richard Pope – 3565
Mary Ann Ottinger – 3687
Frank V. LaSalata – 2920
PuddyPud,
Conservatives have a great deal of trouble making allowances. Dealing with change. Someone above said the issue is black and white. I beg to differ. The is more gray in this issue than that black and white you so love.
Dude, if you think King County is going to HELP the R’s statewide, you’re drinking RNC-flavored KoolAid.
And yeah, I think Goldmark is going down. Western Idaho is a lost cause outside of Spokane, maybe Walla Walla, and even a strong D year means you lose 45-55 instead of 40-60. I was never part of that boomlet, anyway. Partisan push polls like the ones Golday cited don’t impress me. Cantwell winning TWO TO ONE in Kitsap County, though (very much aswing county, elects lots of Rs)? Blowing away McGavick in most Western Washington counties? Hell, having any kind of lead at any point in time in Okanogan County? THAT impresses me. McGavick’s done.
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The problem here is who he’s running against. It’s hard to find good help these days, especially for a job paying only $118,000 a year.
Maybe we should outsource N.E. District Court to India.
November 9 through 14. Just a reminder. I find it interesting that some here can just continually run their mouths from behind a keyboard, but ask them to stand behind their words……and suddenly the shadows swallow them up. Funny how that works.
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“Looking at the results, I would say the BIAW should thank the other candidates that filed against Owens as they are probably the only reason Johnson will get past the primary at this point.” Commentby JDB— 9/19/06@ 10:04 pm
All the better to bleed BIAW white! They’ll spend another million on Johnson by November — to no avail.
I’ve never agreed with Goldy that judges should be appointed. He hasn’t lived here long enough yet to trust Washington voters, who are both populist and non-stupid. It really doesn’t matter how many millions BIAW spends; it’ll all go down a rat hole. BIAW got zero return on investment tonight.
Coward- I’m not talking about statewide races- I’m talking about you crowing about East and South King County races where there is only 3% of the vote in…
Where less than one out of ten precincts have reported…
The data anybody needs to start analyzing is what is happening in those legislative districts- and we just don’t have that data yet. We may not for days, given the slowness of King County…
Looks like Richard Pope is in a runoff against a judge who currently can’t sit on the bench because she’s serving a disciplinary suspension.
Looks like it’s shaping up to be a good night for the good guys and the rethugs, well they are getting their asses kicked. The BIAW is getting beat badly. Good news! Portent of things to come.
But after bashing BIAW, let’s talk about SEIU. Two years ago they failed to defeat Helen Sommers, but succeeded in their support of Don Benton and Joe Zarelli.
This year they failed to defeat Tim Sheldon- but which conservatives are the again supporting? Luke Esser is one…
What does the SEIU believe?
Um, your argument boils down to this: the most Democratic and urban county in the state, on a night where Cantwell is CRUSHING McGavick WITHOUT that county, and where Republicans in places like Kitsap County and Whatcom County aren’t looking good (Doug Erikson and Lois McMahan, for starters), where Groen is going down to Alexander statewide WITHOUT those King County returns, and where admittedly small inital returns look good for the Ds as well, is going to save the Republican bacon, once King County tabulates.
That’s your argument?
Okey-doke! :D
PS: Be sure to clap harder so Tinkerbell wakes up!
Coward- are you stupid, or just dense.
Alexander was supported by many Republicans- you don’t get to 64% in Lewis on D votes… That isn’t a D vs R race…
You think the vote in the 48th will be the same as in the 43rd? King County is not homogeneous. The Senate R’s OPPOSED McMahan, and their candidate won.
Jaspar McSlarrow is running neck and neck with- the ballot choice in the primary! There ARE no primaries in most races, so everything is skewed by whatever single race might be hot in a given locality.
It isn’t the system of 1994 or 1996 or 1998
Or 1964.
You should wander into the Pritchard where the conversation has been “How do we make sense of the raw data?
But what I can see is you are just not paying any attention.
Stay giddy- it will help screw your party in November…
84………..North Shore…..Sandy Beach, 200 yards out………You pick the time………….
Carl, I thought you were Jewish?
Commentby Puddybud Mo Money Ray Nagin […..Perhaps Carl converted to Islam to “appease” the Muuuuuuuuslim terrorists?]
John Groen is getting a smaller percentage from King County than Jeanette Burrage is:
State Supreme Court Justices of the Supreme Court – Position 8
(Precincts Counted/Total) ( 606/ 2555 ) 23.72%
John Groen NP 15711 31.81%
Gerry L. Alexander NP 33635 68.10%
Write-in 43 0.09%
State Supreme Court Justices of the Supreme Court – Position 9
(Precincts Counted/Total) ( 606/ 2555 ) 23.72%
Jeanette Burrage NP 15953 32.07%
Tom Chambers NP 33763 67.87%
Write-in 31 0.06%
You think the vote in the 48th will be the same as in the 43rd? King County is not homogeneous. The Senate R’s OPPOSED McMahan, and their candidate won.
Of course not- Bellevue isn’t the Bellevue of 1984 or 1994, but it ain’t Capitol Hill, either. Good Lord, didn’t I just TELL you I was in Olympia working in 1994? Hint: I haven’t fallen off the turnip truck.
And this data is easy as pie to make sense of. D’s statewide seem to be running 5 to 10 points ahead of last election cycle, based on the statewide returns.
http://vote.wa.gov/Elections/P.....Party.aspx
http://www.secstate.wa.gov/ele.....ml?estat=p
Extrapolate results in districts accordingly, shake and serve.
38.15% are taking GOP ballots statewide, and 48.96% are taking DEM ballots statewide in 2006. Of course, the King County votes have yet to report in large numbers — less than 10% of the ballots counted so far statewide are from King County.
In the 2004 primary, 37.64% took GOP ballots statewide, and 53.57% took DEM ballots.
For further comparison, in the 2000 primary for Attorney General, 38.73% voted for Richard Pope and 54.51% voted for Christine Gregoire.
Coward- take a look, as an example, at the 42nd Dist senate race.
Now, if you believe that Dale Brandland is in trouble, I’ll know you got into the BC bud…
But if Brandland ISN’T in trouble, then how do you differentiate between his challenger and Ericksen’s?
At least I know that Chris Marr isn’t finished- but by your logic he is. All yo are seeing in most of these primaries is the raw choice of party, with no option to vote real preferences- and no information extrapolable to the general.
So what did you work- one election?
It could be a lot of people not picking a party preference. In 2004, 91.21% picked either GOP or DEM ballots (and another 1% or so took Libertarian — not available in 2006). In 2006, only 87.11% are taking either GOP or DEM ballots.
Is this 4% increase in NO PARTY coming more from the GOP or from the DEM voters in previous elections?
November 9 through 14. Just a reminder. I find it interesting that some here can just continually run their mouths from behind a keyboard, but ask them to stand behind their words……and suddenly the shadows swallow them up. Funny how that works.
Commentby My Left Foot [………………………………………………………………Carl, Are you ready to be my new surfing buddy? It can be a little rough in the lineup. Can you breathe salt water? Just “axing”……..[A little Ebonics there just in case you can’t understand English!]
Hey Carl, How many other posters on HA.ORG have to get their wives to “protect” them on this web? hehe, JCH
38.15% are taking GOP ballots statewide, and 48.96% are taking DEM ballots statewide in 2006. Of course, the King County votes have yet to report in large numbers – less than 10% of the ballots counted so far statewide are from King County.
And considering King County broke at something like 63% D ballot, 28% R ballot and 9% neither in 2004, and represents THIRD of the voting population- well, like I said, I think there’s a generic 5-10 push for having a D behind your name that you can put statewide. This means in the 4th and 5th CD, you still lose- you just don’t lose as badly. It means Reichert’s in HUGE trouble, and McGavick’s done. It also means there are a bunch of Puget Sound Republican legislators who are in for very tough races, because they’ll be fighting headwinds.
Gosh, it’s like there’s an unpopular Republican President and Congress, or something…
If you want to see a REALLY BIG dropoff in party preferences, compare primary results in King County for 2006 versus 2003:
2006 Party Preference (D & R only): DEM 73.97%, REP 26.03%
2003 Primary, King County Assessor: Scott Noble (DEM) 62.30%, Richard Pope (REP) 37.70%
Update, with 1230/2555 reporting (Seattle is at 899/985):
King County, 2006 Primary, Party Preference (D & R only): DEM 74.79%, REP 25.21%
At least I know that Chris Marr isn’t finished- but by your logic he is. All yo are seeing in most of these primaries is the raw choice of party, with no option to vote real preferences- and no information extrapolable to the general.
You’re missing the point completely- because the point IS the raw choice of party. Basically, a fair chunk of people are doing what they did in 1994, voting for someone with a particular letter behind their name because they are pissed off and “sending a message”- except this time, it’s Ds instead of Rs.
I mean, really- want to speculate what explains this? The scintillating primary race between Hong Tran and Maria Cantwell that’s making all the indies go into THAT race?
Hey, find me some races where Republicans in swing legislative districts are doing WELL, and I’ll be happy to back off my assertion. I know I’m projecting off of incomplete data in King County, with a distinct possibility I eat crow tomorrow, next week, or November- and there’s still time until November.
Of course, that’s what we told ourselves in October 1994, too. Took a lot of years to gt that back.
65 “By the way- do not forget that at 10pm you should all pull your attention away from primary returns, and tune in the season opener of Boston Legal…”
On AB-Disney-C? The “Path to 9/11” network. No thanks. Shatner can bloviate to his bathroom mirror, as far as I’m concerned.
RICHARD POPE KICKS …
King County
Northeast Electoral District Judge Position No. 2
Richard Pope NP 5794 36.39%
Mary Ann Ottinger NP 5362 33.67%
Frank V. LaSalata NP 4749 29.82%
Write-in 19 0.12%
Total 15924
Snohomish County
NORTHEAST ELECTORAL DISTRICT JUDGE POS 2
Richard Pope 508 39.56%
Mary Ann Ottinger 491 38.24%
Frank V. LaSalata 282 21.96%
Write-In 3 0.23%
Total 1284
Totals for Entire District
Richard Pope 6302 36.62%
Mary Ann Ottinger 5853 34.01%
Frank V. LaSalata 5031 29.24%
Write-In 22
Total 17208 0.13%
POPE MARGIN INCREASES WITH ALL 660 POLL PRECINCTS REPORTING:
King
Northeast Electoral District Judge Position No. 2
Richard Pope NP 7623 37.15%
Mary Ann Ottinger NP 6766 32.98%
Frank V. LaSalata NP 6100 29.73%
Write-in 28 0.14%
Total 20517
Snohomish County
NORTHEAST ELECTORAL DISTRICT JUDGE POS 2
Richard Pope 508 39.56%
Mary Ann Ottinger 491 38.24%
Frank V. LaSalata 282 21.96%
Write-In 3 0.23%
Total 1284
Totals for Entire District
Richard Pope 8131 37.30%
Mary Ann Ottinger 7257 33.29%
Frank V. LaSalata 6382 29.27%
Write-In 31 0.14%
Total 21801
I wonder how many forgot to select what party on their ballots? My wife wanted to cross elect and was upset she couldn’t. There was one donk she liked, but we chose Republican, because anything else is not true to our neocon roots.
Oh Carl, I think it is black and white. You see I believe in Jesus. I guess from your beliefs you don’t. I believe He’s coming back because he said it in Matthew, Luke, John, and Revelation. I believe Israel is black and white. Either she has a right to exist and take out her enemies indiscriminately (as they want to do to her) or she doesn’t. Have you been watching these Jewish commercials asking for $$$ as they play the words of Whackminajab? Because if you play in grey areas, then the islamofascosts will be knocking on your door looking for good jewish donk such as you and goldie, ready to burqaize your woman. Just think when the islamofascists come looking ofr Carl and Teresa, Teresa WON’T be able to practice her job anymore. Then it’ll be too late.
Did you watch the Amazing race Monday? The two muslims would not shake the women’s hands in a good luck gesture. Well they ended up last. See ya!
Another thing.
Since Whackminajab hates feminists, gays, abortions, etc. where are the American left on these issues. To speak out against Whackminajab would mean they are on the right of right, …uh… George Bush? Oh no! The Truth will set you free.
Where are the Nags (NOW), GLA, GLAAD, other Hershey Highway groups, Asian Pacific Sisters, Queer Asian Women’s Group of South Bay, Vietnamese Lesbians’ Group,Asian Lesbians of the East Coast, Lesbian and Bisexual Alliance, NASPA Gay, Lesbian,Bisexual & Transgendered (GLBT) Issues Knowledge Community, etc. Don’t they realize they’ll be underground when the islamofascists take over when Hilary wins in 2009? (Pun intended)
6 AM
Darcy Burner 19529
Dave Reichert 19133
Maria Cantwell 308658
Mike McGavick 207266
McGavick gets 40 in a 60/40 split=toast
Peter Goldmark 32937 43%
Cathy McMorris 43642 56%
Darcy Burner 19529 50.5%
Dave Reichert 19133 49.4%
Vote Totals 38662
Abut the Jon Kyl race in Arizona, Josh Marshall comments: “SUSA has Kyl at 48% and Pederson (D) at 43%. I’m not holding my breath on this one. But it’s looking like a real race.”
Would that put Peter Goldmark (43%) and Cathy McMorris (56%) in a “real race?”
Darcy and Gay Pride Dave sure are.
Washington Post:
“A state judge yesterday rejected a Georgia law requiring voters to show government-issued photo identification, writing in his decision, ‘This cannot be.’ Fulton County Superior Court Judge T. Jackson Bedford Jr. said the law, pushed by Gov. Sonny Perdue (R) to fight voter fraud, violates the state constitution because it disenfranchises citizens who are otherwise qualified to vote.”
Hmmmmm….it “violates the state constitution because it disenfranchises citizens who are otherwise qualified to vote.” I’d say that would be true here also.
Washington State Constitution:
“All persons of the age of eighteen years or over who are citizens of the United States and who have lived in the state, county, and precinct thirty days immediately preceding the election at which they offer to vote, except those disqualified by Article VI, Section 3 of this Constitution, shall be entitled to vote at all elections.”
It says nothing about ID, does it? If you ARE a citizen, eighteen or older,and thirty days a resident, you may NOT be kept from voting by other requirements in law. Sectin 3 disenfranchises felons and the “mentally incompetent.”
I’m sure the people of King County will be thrilled to learn that they have a judge who writes things like
Pope kicks ….
I am starting a pool to see how long it takes Pope to get thrown off the bench if he wins. Also, isn’t it just a bit ironic that right wing freak who constantly complains abourt the government and government spending now wants to make his living by sucking on the government tit?
What a fucking hypocrite freak.
Last night Pope held a party for all his supporters while awaiting the poll results. Only problem was nobody came except his mother and she left early!
Hey, serious answer here. When can we leave Iraq?
I mean, if in six months, Baghfdad is still not secure, can we leave? If in one year, Baghfdad is still not secure, can we leave? If in TWO years, Baghfdad is still not secure, can we leave? If in FIVE years, Baghfdad is still not secure, can we leave?
And remember, the question is NOT “What conditions would have to be present on the ground in Iraq for us to leave?”
It’s “If things don’t change or keep getting worse, how long do we have to stay?”
Forever? I’d like to hear.
The other day John F Kerry (did you know that he was a veteran that served in Vietnam?) made the pompous statement that Pres. Bush had created more terrorists since 9/11.
I wonder how he would explain the following….
Is Al Qaida seeking help from others?
By Amir Taheri, Special to Gulf News
Is Al Qaida looking for someone’s tailcoat to hang on to? The question is not fanciful.
In a little noticed statement posted on pro-Al Qaida websites last week the terrorist outfit announced an alliance with one of the deadliest armed groups in Algeria.
The Algerian outfit, known as the Salafi Group for Propagation and Armed Jihad (SGPJA), has been responsible for killing thousands of civilians, mostly women and children, over the past decade. By the year 2003, however, some experts believed that the SGPAJ had lost control of most of the “emirates” it had set up in a few remote corners of Algeria.
At one point there were even reports that its leader, one Hassan Hatab, had been killed and his chief deputies captured by government forces.
Many SGPAJ’s ghazis (holy raiders) had fled to Morocco, Niger and Mauritania where they went underground. Dozens made their way to Europe, especially Spain, France and Belgium where they have been waiting for a fresh call to jihad.
According to French sources the SGPAJ may have the largest number of “sleepers” in continental Europe backed by a well-established network of money laundering and arms smuggling.
In his recent talks with the Bush administration, France’s Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy, singled out the SGPJA and its smaller ally the Islamic Armed Group (GIA) as the deadliest terrorist threats to Europe today.
So, why would Al Qaida want to forge an alliance with the SGPAJ that has so far not shown much interest in operations outside Algeria?
One reason may be that Al Qaida, having lost much of its logistics networks in Afghanistan, Pakistan and the Middle East, might be looking to SGPAJ to help it make up the loss by offering it facilities in Europe and North Africa.
Another reason may be the ascendance of the so-called “regionalists” in Al Qaida’s internal debate. The “regionalists” argue that the 9/11 attack against the United States was premature, and that Al Qaida should have focused on winning control of several Muslim countries before starting a war against the “infidel”.
The “regionalists” wanted Al Qaida to use Afghanistan as a base from which to seize control first of Pakistan and then of Saudi Arabia and, perhaps, a couple of other oil-rich states.
The “regionalist” option, was initially advocated by Abdullah Al Azzam, Al Qaida’s spiritual founder in the 1980s.
In his treatise on jihad, Al Azzam expressly limited “holy war” to Muslim lands under non-Muslim occupation or impious rule. He wrote: “Jihad today is individually obligatory (fard ‘ayn), by self and wealth, on every Muslim and the Islamic community remains sinful until the last piece of Islamic land is freed from the hands of the infidel.”
Efficient way
That view was rejected by the “globalist” group as early as the mid-1990s. The “globalists” claimed that the most efficient way of waging jihad was to attack the “infidel” in their heartland, thus forcing them to end their support for existing Muslim governments. Once that support is gone, so the argument went, Al Qaida could seize power in a number of Muslim states.
Although any rigid divisions within Al Qaida leadership may be misplaced, it is generally assumed that the Egyptian Ayman Al Zawahiri is the standard-bearer of the “regionalists” while Saudi-born Osama Bin Laden represents the “globalists”.
Over the past five years Bin Laden’s direct influence on the jihadist movement has faded and Al Zawahiri’s has increased.
This may be one reason for the resurgence of the Taliban in Afghanistan where Mullah Mohammad Omar, backed by Al Qaida’s Pakistani branch, is seeking to set up a mini-emirate in the desolate wastelands bordering Iran and Pakistan in alliance with the Pushtun warlord Gulbuddin Hekmatyar.
The problem with Al Zawahiri’s “regionalist” scenario is that Al Qaida has lost much of the sympathy and support it once enjoyed amongst Islamist groups from North Africa to the Indian subcontinent.
The Muslim Brotherhood, arguably the oldest fundamentalist group in modern Islam, began distancing itself from Al Qaida in the early 1990s, opening the path for a new strategy for winning power through permeation, infiltration and elections rather than violence and terror. Today, the largest branches of the Brotherhood, in Egypt, Jordan and the Palestinian territory, go out of their way to demarcate themselves from Al Qaida.
The next Islamist group to reject Al Qaida after 9/11 was the Sudanese National Islamic Front (NIF) whose leader Hassan Al Turabi had concluded an alliance with Bin Laden in 1993.
Under attack
More recently, Al Qaida has come under attack from the Egyptian Islamic Society (Gama’a Islamiyah), a terrorist outfit that assassinated president Anwar Sadat and fought the government for two decades.
In a book entitled Islam And The Way of War, the Gama’a, to which Al Zawahiri once belonged, rejects every aspect of Al Qaida’s ideology as “anti-Islamic”. It says that killing civilians on any excuse is murder and those responsible, far from being martyrs, are destined for the “lowest recesses of hell”. The book condemns suicide bombings, the chopping of heads and the seizure of hostages.
The Gama’a even endorses cooperation between Muslims and non-Muslims against aggressors, and, as an example, cites the Saudi-American alliance against Saddam Hussain in 1991 to liberate Kuwait. More significantly, perhaps, the Gama’a declares that : “No one has the right to describe another Muslim as impious”.
The “regionalist” strategy has suffered other setbacks.
Despite slaughtering large numbers of civilians in Iraq, the insurgents allied to Al Qaida have made no political gains. They were unable to prevent any of the municipal, parliamentary and constitutional elections held since 2003 and failed to sabotage the transition of power to a governing council and, later, to an elected government in Baghdad.
They have also failed to prevent the creation of a new Iraqi army and police that are growing in strength and experience every day. The insurgents have also failed to break the morale of the American people and force a cut-and-run posture on the Bush administration.
It is not only in Iraq that the jihadists have suffered large losses without making any political headway. In Saudi Arabia, almost all of Al Qaida’s cells in the key region of Qasim have been destroyed. By the latest count over 800 terrorist have been killed since 2002 and many more captured. A “re-education” programme to bring Al Qaida operatives back to normal life has helped hundreds of young men shed their jihadist past since 2005.
The recent resurgence of the Taliban in Afghanistan has not produced any happier results for the “regionalist” strategy. Although the Taliban have given Nato forces a run for their money, they themselves have suffered losses at levels that cannot be sustained for long.
Al Qaida’s alliance with the SGPAJ is an act of desperation.
Al Zawahiri may want to revive the terrorist campaign in Algeria or, perhaps, heat things up in Morocco and Tunisia. He may even dream of spectacular operations in western Europe in the hope of reviving Al Qaida’s fading fortunes. His strategy, however, is as doomed as that of Bin Laden who had assumed that he could become master of the world with a few spectacular raids against the “infidel”.
Amir Taheri is a member of Benador Associates.
http://www.gulfnews.com/opinio.....68691.html
115 PuddyPud and Jaybo at 126
I am far more concerned with the Christian RightWingNuts foisting their beliefs on me through controlling the judiciary, the abuse of power, and the use of scare tactics, than I am of the Taliban knocking on my door to offer Teresa a Burka. Why is that? Well, let me explain.
The Taliban are open about their desire and methods. When the they come to the door, metaphorically speaking, I can greet them the American way. With a steely gaze, determination in my heart and the soul of a free man who will not go quietly into the night.
What you Christian RightWingNuts are doing is far more insidious. You are attempting to take my freedoms one at time. Sneaking them out the back door, hoping no one is noticing. We have noticed. We have noticed the lies. We have noticed the encroachments on our personal freedoms.
Oh, it started small. Fining Janet Jackson, fining Howard Stern (he is disgusting, but that is his right), then there is the Patriot Act which gave the government far too much freedom to spy on Americans, then the President said ” the constitution be damned! I am the President, I have the authority to do as I please”. Now he wants to make torture legal. Once we accept it for “foreign” threats, just exactly how long do you think it will be before it is used against our own citizens? If you don’t think so, then you are a bigger fool than I already know you to be.
Your problem is one of myopic vision. You see one thing at a time. You fail to see these issues together for what they are. An assault on our way of life. The power should belong to the people, not to a political party. Your party is trying to destroy the opposition. If you should succeed, it will be only a matter of time before you are subject to the party, and not the other way around. (See Nazi Germany)
As for me, I will would rather die defending our constitution and our freedoms. I will submit to no man. For me, it is far more preferable to die a free man rather than be subjected to bending on my knee in weakness and fear.
But you go on ahead, keep believing in Jesus. The last time I was in battle I did not notice him next to me taking an enemy bullet, running to avoid mortar fire, crawling through muck or staring into the face of a dead soldier. I did notice the other soldiers, brave men doing an awful job. Not for the money, but for the love of their country and constitution. Jesus had nothing to do with it.
Have a good day. You and Jesus.
I wonder how long (I give it an hour) before Janet S. or some other Christian RightWingNut attacks me for blasphemy and outright moral and intellectual confusion for my view. I just don’t think that Jesus would sanction the violence the Christian RightWingNuts have, with so little regard for life, merrily engaged this country in.
The military is a necessary evil. Its purpose is to defend. Not to attack. This nation, until George W. Bush changed things, was never in the business of peremptorily striking. We have never been the aggressor. When you deal from a position of defense, you make it harder for the enemy to advance. When you attack, you are open to counter attack, your assets are spread thinner and you get bogged down. Iraq anyone?
Now the Christian RightWingNuts are making noises about North Korea, Iran and Syria. Just how many fronts can we fight on? Are you ready to accept a draft again? Because the young men of this country are not going to volunteer for service. Would you? Knowing that in just 12 weeks your ass will be in a sand bunker in a foreign land, begging this Jesus fellow to keep you alive, while the politicians at home are planning the next “preemptive” strike in the name of freedom. Tell me, Puddy, MTR, MWS, Janet, JCH, Jim King. Tell me, would you put your ass on the line? This is the future of America that the Christian RightWingNuts are running toward, full steam ahead.
I want no part of it. I will stop you. I am the majority of Americans who believe this country is on the wrong track. I am the 60 percent of Americans who now know that George W. Bush is doing a horrible job. He can’t talk. He can’t think. He can’t lead. I am the 60+ percent of Americans who know that we have no more business in Iraq. I am the 60 percent of Americans who have had enough.
We want, and are taking, our damn country back.
—
Carl Grossman
The difference between genius and stupidity? Genius has its limits.
Note to Jaybo: Try writing in your own words. The cut and pasts shows what follower you are. In addition, your “source” is not exactly a respected outlet.
Ok, it seems the appropriate point to congratulate Mr. Pope.
An interesting race, which I had not looked into, as I do not live in that district. It seems that Mr. Pope’s opponents battled each other, while ignoring him. Bad mistake on thier part, but from what I read, I would probably have voted for Mr. Pope myself.
Ms. Ottinger (the incumbent) has multiple violations of defendant’s rights on her record, and has been censured more than once by the Committee for Judical Conduct.
Mr. LaSalata ran a campaign that was, in essence, “I’m not her!” He pointed out all her flaws, while giving very little about what he would do. After reading his campaign webpage, I found myself unimpressed.
I understand that you will now face Ms. Ottinger on the November ballot. Good luck to you in the general election.
It would be nice if the No on 933 camp would try something new. TELLING THE TRUTH!
Carl
I’m not going to take you to task, a I think your words are far closer to what Jesus would have us do than are the words of some of the folks you’re addressing.
I do wish, however, that you would note that the “Christians” that are continually supporting aggressive wars are in the minority. Perhaps this is a wonderful example to compare to the Muslims that are bent on jihad.
Between the National Council of Churches and the Roman Catholic Church, the vast majority of Christians here in the United States have come out in opposition to wars of aggression, such as what we are now doing in Iraq, and what is being proposed for Iran, North Korea and others.
“Who would Jesus bomb?” seems an appropriate question.
I would say that Jesus is in the battlefields, comforting the wounded and giving strength to those facing the horror of battle. One of the odd things we believe is that he supports us even when we are doing things he hates, if we are doing them because we believe it is what we are called to do. It is said by Christians that in WWII, German and American soldiers that killed each other in battle would be surprised to find themselves as brothers in paradise.
As to the comments about Israel, well, you know better than I how many times God has gotten annoyed with them, scattered them, then brought them back together when they repented. He seems to hold the Jewish people to a pretty high standard of conduct. Will it happen again? That’s not up to me, and not for me to say. (I do not claim to completely understand God’s plan, and have noticed that most prophecy is best understood immediately after we have tripped over it, falling on our faces once again.)
As you may be able to tell, I am also trying to be a Christian. Whether I’ve made it or not is again, not for me to say.
But please remember, words are powerful things. When you use the word “Christian” to mean only those folks on the far right, you make the same mistake they do when they use “Muslim” to mean only those folks bent on jihad.
It is an easy leap to make from that point to believing that the small part really does represent the whole. You can see that on these boards.
Words are powerful. “In the beginning was the word.”
Shalom, my friend.
Commentby jaybo— 9/20/06@ 8:32 am
Interesting reading. What I gather is that Muslim countries and groups are working very hard to reduce the influence of the small minority of Muslims that are bent on jihad.
Muslims in countries all around the region are speaking out against the violence, saying loud and long that it is against Islam and cannot be condoned.
From your post:
“In a book entitled Islam And The Way of War, the Gama’a, to which Al Zawahiri once belonged, rejects every aspect of Al Qaida’s ideology as “anti-Islamic”. It says that killing civilians on any excuse is murder and those responsible, far from being martyrs, are destined for the “lowest recesses of hell”. The book condemns suicide bombings, the chopping of heads and the seizure of hostages.
Islamic countries and groups are working both together and individually to reeducate those that have been taken in by the terrorist’s propaganda and are being shown the errors in the jihadist’s interpretation of the Qur’an.
“A “re-education” programme to bring Al Qaida operatives back to normal life has helped hundreds of young men shed their jihadist past since 2005.”
Some of the groups are pretty militant themselves, but still condemn the type of violence that we use as an excuse to paint all Muslims as “evil”. Wow. Even the Muslim militants see the small minority that are bent on jihad as being “anti-Islamic”. They seem to look at these folks the way Christians look at Mr. McVey and his ilk.
Very interesting reading. Perhaps some of your fellow right-wing types should consider what your post says, when they call Islam a “Religion of violence”.
John,
I am offended by the attack on my sensibilities by the present administration. The use of the words “terrorist, terrorism and now Islamo-fascists” is where I learned the value of branding.
Of course I don’t believe that all Christians are RightWingNuts, the same as I don’t believe that all Muslims are terrorists. The problem is that this administration is painting that very picture. If I learned anything in my life, it is that you must meet force with at least equal force, or, you have already lost.
I did not mean to offend anyone. That is not entirely true. I was hoping to get them to think. Just a bit.
Carl Grossman
I don’t know much about 933 beyond that it would support far more development than current regulations, and I hate to see more scalped hilltops and condo-filled valleys like I saw when I lived in Cali. I haven’t finished reading it (933), but in some localities the local “property rights” Republicans have tried to pass legislation that would require “highest use” compensation for old shitty pieces of perperty regardless of the use the property owner actually intends. I don’t agree with that.
Here’s some stuff though:
– The initiative would eliminate a wide range of policies that protect farmland and agricultural communities. Under I-933, farms would be threatened by irresponsible development, we’d see more conflicts between encroaching suburban residents and farmers, increased traffic and in many places the disappearance of family farms and rural lifestyle.
– I-933 will require counties to waive reasonable limits on the number of homes that can be built in agricultural zones. Irresponsible developers can build as many homes as wells and septic tanks can support. All of these houses will interfere with normal farming practices due to complaints about smells, dust, and noise.
– Use of exempt wells for homes in irresponsible developments will reduce the water available to senior water rights holders, including many farmers. Farmers will bear the cost of defending their water rights against those new homes using exempt wells.
– I-933 will require counties and cities to waive measures necessary to qualify for federal flood insurance. As result of waiving these protections, the federal government will suspend the county or city from the program leaving property owners unable to renew their flood insurance when it expires each year. Federally insured and regulated loans will become due and payable in full, including loans from the Farmers Home Administration. Since federally insured and regulated loans make up about 90 percent of available financing for land, land in flood plains will likely decline in value.
– I-933’s exemptions only apply to “restrictions that apply equally to all property subject to the agency’s jurisdiction…” Meaning that if the Washington State Department of Agriculture needs to use a quarantine to protect crops or animals, it will have to be a statewide quarantine — putting Washington’s agricultural industry on hold.
– I-933’s health and safety exemption only applies to “an immediate threat to human health and safety.” Threats to crops and livestock are not exempt.
Commentby My Left Foot— 9/20/06@ 9:39 am
“If I learned anything in my life, it is that you must meet force with at least equal force, or, you have already lost.
Perhaps some things taught to me in my ill-spent youth would explain the difference in our philosophies about this.
My friends and I all studied martial arts, at least to some extent. Most chose Karate or one of the other aggessive forms. I studied Judo.
Judo does not tend to match force with force. Rather, it uses the opposing fighter’s force against him. It makes for a poor offense, as if the other fellow refuses combat, there is no battle.
When my friends and I occasionally matched up in the dojo (or on the exercise mats in the garage) I simply waited until my opponent threw the first punch or kick. Then they found themselves on the mat, looking stunned, with me smiling down on them, hair hardly mussed. Our battles got to be rather dull, as they learned that if they attacked, they lost.
(They also learned that if they could goad me into attacking, I lost, and quite painfully, I might add.)
Force against force is not the most efficient or effective way.
Jewish Americans continue to be marginalized by leftist organizations that once supported them. The new “liberal-antisemitic movement” continues to grow…..
Firestorm grows; past recipient returns his own award
BY BRAD A. GREENBERG, Staff Writer
The firestorm over the county Commission on Human Relations’ decision to honor a local Muslim who has called Israel an “apartheid state” intensified Tuesday when a former recipient returned his award.
Steven Windmueller, interim dean of Hebrew Union College and a 1995 honoree, said the commission’s selection of Maher Hathout denigrated the legacy of the award’s namesake, John Allen Buggs.
“Buggs understood the art of negotiation, the value of integrity and the need for transparency. These themes should, in my judgment, reflect those who are so honored to receive this recognition. Sadly, I return this piece of art as my statement that in this instance the Commission has not met the standards set for us by John Allen Buggs,” Windmueller wrote in a letter included with the award, which he returned by mail Tuesday afternoon.
Hathout, a 70-year-old retired cardiologist, was known as a bridge builder locally. But last month, his sharp criticism of Israel was publicized, outraging many of L.A.’s largest Jewish organizations.
“Everyone has their issues and their swords they want to fall on. I guess this is the one (Windmueller) wants to fall on,” said the Rev. Zedar Broadous, a pastor at Calvary Baptist Church in Pacoima and one of the commissioners who voted for Hathout. “I don’t see it as that big of an issue, but if he wants to make this his issue, I won’t hold it against him. I’ll keep him in prayer.”
Commission President Adrian Dove said it was unfortunate Windmueller had decided to return his award, which he received for work with the Jewish Federation of Greater Los Angeles.
“We were looking to find anybody from the Muslim community that was discouraging terrorism, that was encouraging engagement in the dialogue and that was a potential bridge. While you may not have perfection, it is a starting point you can build upon,” Dove said.
“I challenge you to find another party in Los Angeles who is a practicing Muslim leader who would be less controversial.”
Hathout and the L.A.-based Muslim Public Affairs Council, which he co-founded, did not respond to a request for comment.
Buggs was the first executive director of what is now known as the Commission on Human Relations, the first of its kind nationwide. He later left for Washington, where he led the U.S. Civil Rights Commission.
Windmueller sent the commission a letter last week stating his intention to return his award if Hathout’s selection was affirmed at a hearing Monday. It’s not clear whether the commissioners saw his letter.
“We have just been getting hundreds of letters both for and against,” said Robin S. Toma, the executive director. “That one could have just slipped between the cracks.”
http://dailynews.com/news/ci_4365033
In case you are wondering what kind of organization the Muslim Public Affairs Council is……
IN THE NEWS: MPAC Debates Simon Wiesenthal Center on LA Times’ Coverage of Middle East Crisis
August 22, 2006
The following op-eds appeared in the “OUTSIDE THE TENT” column of the Los Angeles Times on August 13, 2006. “Outside the Tent” is an occasional column in which the LA Times invites outside critics to take their best shot at the newspaper.
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WHY DOES THIS PAPER TAKE ISRAEL’S SIDE? ASK MUSLIM LEADERS
By Salam Al-Marayati and Edina Lekovic
THE TIMES has a daunting task in covering an unexpected and brutal war such as the one spiraling out of control in Israel and Lebanon. By and large, its news pages have fairly and accurately reported the conflict …#34; Israel’s claims for and execution of its military assault, the rising toll of Lebanese civilian casualties and the destruction of Lebanon’s newly rebuilt infrastructure.
The problem is what’s not reported, particularly when it comes to Hezbollah. True, the group is on the State Department’s list of terrorist organizations. But there is scant mention in The Times that the Muslim world does not equate Al Qaeda with Hezbollah, which was founded in 1982 when Israel last invaded Lebanon. Nor is there much mention of growing Muslim opposition to the U.S. because of its perceived blanket endorsement of Israel’s policies.
And Muslims are outraged as anyone by the targeting of civilian lives by Hezbollah and Israel. But you wouldn’t know that from reading The Times either.
What The Times’ Megan Stack, who has been stationed in southern Lebanon, recently told the Columbia Journalism Review Daily just doesn’t come through in the newspaper’s daily coverage. “The thing about Hezbollah that I think is often misunderstood is that it’s not just an army, it’s a massive political party and it’s a massive social welfare network. So when you think about Hezbollah, you kind of think of them on different planes….”
Also, headlines and stories sometimes collide, to misleading effect. On Aug. 3, the headline on the story reporting the paper’s poll results on the Lebanese-Israeli war read: “Most Back Israel, Split on U.S. Role.” But the article suggested anything but strong support: Respondents who thought Israel’s actions were either unjustified or excessively harsh edged out those who described them as justified and not harsh.
In general, Israel’s motives for and justifications of its handling of the war …#34; including its claim that Hezbollah fighters are hiding among civilians …#34; have gone undisputed by reputable authorities. Nowhere is this more obvious than on The Times’ Op-Ed page, where for every 10 articles supporting Israel, one criticized the country’s military operations and Washington’s unflinching support for them.
However, Human Rights Watch recently issued a report, titled “Fatal Strikes,” that disputed Israel’s claim that Hezbollah uses human shields. Of the several dozen cases it studied, there was no evidence that supported Israel’s claims. The Times has yet to mention this report in any story, nor has it investigated the claim itself.
The paper’s feature stories on the war also reveal bias. A recent profile gave flattering treatment to American Jews who have joined the Israeli Defense Forces to fight in Lebanon and the Palestinian Territories. Yet Muslim Americans are often stereotyped as anti-American in reports on their relief efforts for Lebanese and Palestinian civilians because many of their charities have been shut down by the U.S. government over allegations that they finance terrorists.
It seems that everything in U.S. politics has two sides except our policies in the Middle East. Regrettably, The Times’ reporting and analyses too often reflect that one-sidedness. It needs to give more attention to the other side to foster a healthier civil discourse on this important issue.
SALAM AL-MARAYATI is executive director of the Muslim Public Affairs Council. EDINA LEKOVIC is the council’s communications director.
jaybo:
If you really want to hear about a pompous statement, check out the one made by George W. Bush (he avoided serving in Viet Nam, did you know that):
http://patriotboy.blogspot.com.....0515284811
Not really telling the whole story, “jaybo.” First, you assert that the Commission on Human Relations is a “leftist organization.” Please give us your reasons for thinking so, besides the obvious one that conservatives don’t give a crap about human relations.
But it seems that in the wake of comment and complaint, including what’s-his-name returning his award, the Commission reopened its July decision selecting Hathout. And it further seems that Hathout’s supporters, who spanned a wide ethnic and religious spectrum, called him a pioneer in promoting moderation, tolerance and understanding. Also, Hathout himself, in remarks before the commission vote, offered to meet in a dialogue with critics and expressed regrets for his previous harsh language toward Israel. They affirmed the decision with a 4-1 vote.
Huh.
So the Muslim Public Affairs Council points out that Hezbollah runs a massive social welfarte network in Lebanon, and that they are a major political party there. They also point out that Human Rights Watch doesn’t really buy the Israeli claims about Hezbollah “uses human shields” that Israel uses to justify the HUGE civilain deth toll in its attacks.
They must be terrorists at that damn Council. Who else would point out such facts?
Daddy Love @ 39,
Methinks that you may have some anti-semitic tendencies also……
jaybo
Again, one might ask what reasons you have for making such a statement. If, for example, you had none, one might suspect you of flinging mud to avoid responding rationally to criticism.
Emile Nakhleh, who until recently worked for the CIA as head of its Political Islam Strategic Analysis Program, says regarding the likely political fallout from the Iraqi debacle and from the failures of the ‘war on terrorism’ that “We’ve lost a generation of goodwill in the Muslim world…Because of Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, and other abuses we have lost on the concepts of justice, fairness and the rule of law, and that’s the heart of the American idea.” Nakhleh also says that the CIA knew full well that Saddam Hussein never had any serious connection to al-Qaeda, that Guantanamo is full of detainees known to be innocent, and that killing terrorists isn’t enough to end terrorism. Read the whole thing.
then again, jaybo, parhaps all you are capable of unaided is flinging invective, while you depend on pasting the thoughts of others to appear reasoned.
Daddy Love, Daddy Love, Daddy Love …..
Hmmmm….
Sounds like a kinda kinky name to me.
Lock up the sheep!
Hates “Americafirst” @ 14:
You truly are one big FUCKING idiot aren’t you? Rhetorical question, I know.
It’s just like a conservative to make a fucking whiney ass point about FEMA spending (wasting, whatever) $7,800 for a whole day of job training that nobody took, while we’re squandering that much every 101 seconds in Iraq, every minute of every hour, of every day, of every week, of every month, of every quarter, of every year for 3 1/2 years, while Bush says some other US President is going to have to extract the US from his big fucking mess he lied us into for another 3-5 years!
God Damn it!
No wonder we’ve ran our national debt to almost 10 TRILLION dollars on George Bush’s and the Rubberstamp Republican Congress’ watch.
Talk about having to create another category to describe stupid; I move to make the term “Republican” as the most asinine, stupid, low-life, criminal category of dumb possible.
Anyone second that motion?
“I did not defend my husband.”
Teresa
Commentby Mrs Left Foot […………Right!!! ROTFLMAO!! Perhaps you could sue everyone who makes fun of Carl! That should keep you busy!!]
And yet they still get on TV claiming that the United States Government “OWES THEM”………[ Is that GBS and Carl Grossman holding signs that say “BUSH NO GOOD! BUSH NO GOOD!”?]
September 15 was an important day for the Imperial Federal Government of the United States. It was the day that quarterly tax payments are due. This is one of four times a year when businesses have to pay their estimated taxes. And what a haul it was for the Feds…in fact, they raked in so much money, they set a record.
$85.8 billion dollars was taken in…all in one day. This is a 20% increase over last year….twenty percent! And to think some people actually think the government doesn’t have enough money. We gotta “pay off” the deficit you know. The fact that so much money flowed into the treasury at once is important for a few reasons.
One, the economy continues to go like gangbusters. We are right in the middle of an historic economic boom. Don’t let the mainstream media or the Democrats tell you otherwise…we’ve never had it so good. Add on top of that falling gas prices and we’ve got a great economic situation. In addition, the fact that tax receipts jumped 20% shows us that the Bush tax cuts are working just as they intended.
Second, the fact that so much money was confiscated by the federal government in a single 24 hour period tells us something else. The government is too big…and it’s become so large under a Republican administration and a Republican Congress. The Reagan Revolution is official dead among “conservative” politicians.
Wait! One more thing! What about those horrible Bush tax cuts? I thought the government was starving for the money it needed because the rich were getting away with murder! Well, once again we see that cutting taxes on the productive class actually leads to higher government tax revenues. That’s a lesson the left will never learn.
Mr. LaSalata ran a campaign that was, in essence, “I’m not her!” He pointed out all her flaws, while giving very little about what he would do. After reading his campaign webpage, I found myself unimpressed.
John Barelli: Isn’t that the basis for Darcy’s candidacy? Isn’t that the basis for monay a moonbat running for congress this year?
monay should be many