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  3. “Everyone sit down! The terrorists have assured me that they will land the plane safely at JFK! We must chant ‘BUSH NO GOOD! BUSH NO GOOD!’” [Carl Grossman]

  10. “You think government work is easy?”
    Commentby Roger Rabbit [………………………………………………………………………..Er, RR, yeah, I do. That’s where Democrat hacks like you hide because you can’t or won’t make it in the evil private sector.]

  11. “Everyone sit down! The terrorists have assured me that they will land the plane safely at JFK! We must chant ‘BUSH NO GOOD! BUSH NO GOOD!’” [Carl Grossman]

  12. “I was worth every penny the government paid me, and then some.”

    Commentby Roger Rabbit [……………………………………………………………………..Is there ANY “guvment” hack that doesn’t think this? BTW, The TAXPAYERS pay you, not the “guvment”.]

  13. Carl, Didn’t Mrs. Grossman ORDER you not to respond to Doctor JCH Kennedy? No blow job for you tonight!!!

  14. Hmmm, Roger, my son is a Government Employee. His job is easy according to the Pacific loser. My son is an Army Ranger. He would like to meet the island dweller too. See if he has a voice when confronted in person. I just want to have a beer with him.

  15. Making comments and suddenly someone thinks I am responding to him. Wow! Huge ego. I love mocking.

  16. If JCH had been successful, he wouldn’t be forced to live in a lousy $1.5 million condo in Hawaii, he’d have a real house.

    Commentby Roger Rabbit [Green eyes, Roger? Green eyes?]

  17. No wonder why the wingnuts continue to panic:

    September 18, 2006

    The battle for control of the U.S. Senate is getting closer—much closer. Little more than a week ago, our Balance of Power summary showed the Republicans leading 50-45 with five states in the Toss-Up category. Today, Rasmussen Reports is changing three races from “Toss-Up” to “Leans Democrat.” As a result, Rasmussen Reports now rates 49 seats as Republican or Leans Republican while 48 seats are rated as Democrat or Leans Democrat (see State-by-State Summary). There are now just three states in the Toss-Up category–Tennessee, New Jersey, and Missouri.

    Today’s changes all involve Republican incumbents who have been struggling all year. In Montana, Senator Conrad Burns (R) has fallen behind Jon Tester (D). Rhode Island Senator Lincoln Chafee (R) survived his primary but starts the General Election as a decided underdog. Sherrod Brown (D) is enjoying a growing lead over Ohio Senator Mike DeWine (R).

    http://www.rasmussenreports.co.....fPower.htm

    Wow, the Republicans thought they had turned things around. Turns out their bounce from 9/11 lasted less than three days. Even with gas coming down, Republicans are going down the drain.

  18. And all of you Republicans that were happy with a one day spike in Rasmussen, this is why you never get happy with a one day spike:

    September 18, 2006

    Photo Courtesy of whitehouse.gov Today, 41% of American adults approve of the way that President Bush is performing his job and 58% disapprove. That’s about where the numbers were before the President’s 9/11 speech.

    Overall, only 19% of Americans Strongly Approve and 42% Strongly Disapprove

    http://www.rasmussenreports.co.....proval.htm

  19. Well, at least the Republicans can take solace in the fact that Dan Quayle keeps gaining acceptance.

  20. Hey Left Foot-

    Do you drive with it too? Cars don’t get much more American than a Lincoln Grand Marquis, dumbass.

    You let your BDS morph into blind LDS, and I don’t mean the Mormon church.

  22. A lot of Army Rangers seem to have liberal fathers…….
    There is one who used to post on SP a lot, his name was Uncle Witz………. or something like that.

  25. And some Army Rangers are liberals…

    Pat Tillman, case in point, who called the invasion and occupation of Iraq “so fucking illegal” and who mother quotes Pat as being “totally against Bush.”

  26. I wouldn’t be surprised if that AWOL coward Bush had Tillman gunned down by friendly fire. That’s the kind of chickenshit move you’d expect from the Bush regime.

  27. “I’m Joe Lieberman, and I pushed a cripple out of the way to bring you this message.”

  28. #27 – “I’m Joe Lieberman, and I’ll be the one representating CT in the Senate in 2007, while Ned Lament goes back to making millions ripping off the consumer.”

  29. Carl Grossman Liberal, Democrats

    Son, Army Ranger, Liberal, Democrat.

    Speaking to him, his feeling is that most of the men he around are either liberal or liberal leaning. There are no openly Republican members of his unit. They all volunteered, first for the military and then to be Rangers. Strike anyone else as funny that Republicans have no problem sending young people off to war (unnecessarily) and yet their children are nowhere to be found?

  30. “Strike anyone else as funny that Republicans have no problem sending young people off to war (unnecessarily) and yet their children are nowhere to be found?” [Carl Grossman] [Er, Carl, Why not try the commissioned officers? hehe, JCH]

  32. I agree, there are many liberals in the military. Makes you wonder why Gore didn’t want their votes counted in Florida…….

  33. “I’ll blow you for five bucks, just don’t get any in my eye.” –John Craig Herman.

  35. “I’ll blow you for five bucks, just don’t get any in my eye.”

    Commentby JDB

  36. Now we know Mrs Grossman is a lawyer. A moonbat lawyer to boot!Puddy, You got to Mrs Grossman. Good job. You give her an assist and what does she do Attack you! “She can’t take on JCH.”
    Commentby Mike Webb SUCKS
    “She can’t take on JCH.” “She can’t take on JCH.” “She can’t take on JCH.” “She c”She can’t take on JCH.” an’t take on JCH.” “She can’t take on JCH.” “She can’t take on JCH.” “She can’t take on JCH.” “She can’t take on JCH.” “She can’t take on JCH.” “She can’t take on JCH.” “She can’t take on JCH.” ……………………………..hehe, JCH

  37. Commentby sgmmac— 9/18/06@ 2:38 pm

    I agree, there are many liberals in the military. Makes you wonder why Gore didn’t want their votes counted in Florida…….

    Actually, I think the issue was a bunch of absentee ballots with no postmark that just “showed up” in the military postal service.

    Since I have a bit of experience with the Navy’s postal service, I know that for this to happen, several people in the chain would have to have been so derelict in their duties as to be in danger of some jail time. The Postal Clerk would be immediately relieved of duty and his PC designation would be removed, as he would never be allowed to handle official mail again.

    If he was lucky, and took immediate action, the ship’s Commanding Officer and Executive Officer would probably only get a non-punative letters, effectively ending any hope they might have of reaching flag rank.

    Pretty much everyone else in the postal chain would be toast.

    Navy Post Offices routinely handle classified material up to Secret. They are very careful to ensure that all mail is properly handled, and they know how important a postmark is to all mail, but especially to time-sensitive material such as ballots.

    The one weak spot I can see in the chain is when mail bags are transferred between ships and from ship to shore. My understanding was that the mail bag full of ballots was not only unpostmarked, but also did not have the appropriate seals required by Post Office and Navy mail handling regulations.

    Essentially, someone either was trying to pull a fast one and slip in some bogus ballots, or some ship had the most incompetent post office in the fleet.

    Two scenerios, you tell me which seems more likely.

    1. A Navy Postal Clerk (with at least a Secret clearance and lots of official checks on his work) gathers up a mail bag full of ballots, neglects to postmark any of them, does not properly seal the bag and puts it into the mail system, despite having been told on numerous occasions throughout his training that this is a Court-Martial offence and could get him time in Federal Prison.

    2. Someone with a passing understanding of the postal system gets ahold of a mail bag (pretty easy). The ship did a “who voted” survey (rather common), and he got a copy. His candidate is losing by only a few votes. He spends a dull evening filling out the Federal Postcard ballots for each of the folks that said they didn’t vote, puts them in the mail bag and tosses that bag on the pile.

    Without a full investigation of the possible fraud involved, I wouldn’t have wanted them counted either. Since the Republicans made such a big stink about those ballots, I doubt that they ever really investigated the circumstances surrounding them.

    But every person I know with even a passing understanding of the Navy Postal system (even some Republicans) thinks they were bogus.

  38. John, you need to Google the Gore FLA Lawsuits. He went after the military vote because his handlers (Tort Lawyers) felt the vote was 70/30 against. In the end it was 58/42.

    Puddy posted all this many times. I remember it. Furball should remember it. Wait, Furball has memory issues. It seems SgmMac remembered it.

  39. Oh moonbats, looks like Elton John has it right:

    “Elton John says he’s glad he got hitched to long-time partner David Furnish. Just don’t call him “married.”

    “I hate people saying I’m married,” John told the London Mirror. “Marriage is a heterosexual term for men and women. We’ve got a civil partnership. It’s not a religious ceremony and I didn’t want to get married. I just wanted a lifetime commitment.””

    The moonbats will start a large bonfire of Elton John CDs, records, and music sheets because he just broke Omerta!

  41. http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008958

    REMEMBERING 9/11

    The Path to Hysteria My sin was to write a screenplay accurately depicting Bill Clinton’s record on terrorism.

    BY CYRUS NOWRASTEH Monday, September 18, 2006 12:01 a.m. EDT

    I am neither an activist, politician or partisan, nor an ideologue of any stripe. What I am is a writer who takes his job very seriously, as do most of my colleagues: Also, one who recently took on the most distressing and important story it will ever fall to me to tell. I considered it a privilege when asked to write the script for “The Path to 9/11.” I felt duty-bound from the outset to focus on a single goal–to represent our recent pre-9/11 history as the evidence revealed it to be. The American people deserve to know that history: They have paid for it in blood. Like all Americans, I wish it were not so. I wish there were no terrorists. I wish there had been no 9/11. I wish we could squabble among ourselves in assured security. But wishes avail nothing.

    My Iranian parents fled tyranny and oppression. I know and appreciate deeply the sanctuary America has offered. Only in this country could a person such as I have had the life, liberty and opportunity that I have had. No one needs to remind me of this–I know it every single day. I know, too, as does everyone involved in the production, that we kept uppermost in our minds the need for due diligence in the delivery of this history. Fact-checkers and lawyers scrutinized every detail, every line, every scene. There were hundreds of pages of annotations. We were informed by multiple advisers and interviews with people involved in the events–and books, including in a most important way the 9/11 Commission Report.

    It would have been good to be able to report due diligence on the part of those who judged the film, the ones who held forth on it before watching a moment of it. Instead, in the rush to judgment, and the effort to portray the series as the work of a right-wing zealot, much was made of my “friendship” with Rush Limbaugh (a connection limited to two social encounters), but nothing of any acquaintance with well-known names on the other side of the political spectrum. No reference to Abby Mann, for instance, with whom I worked on “10,000 Black Men Named George” (whose hero is an African-American communist) or Oliver Stone, producer of “The Day Reagan Was Shot,” a film I wrote and directed. Clearly, those enraged that a film would criticize the Clinton administration’s antiterrorism policies–though critical of its successor as well–were willing to embrace only one scenario: The writer was a conservative hatchetman.

    In July a reporter asked if I had ever been ethnically profiled. I happily replied, “No.” I can no longer say that. The L.A. Times, for one, characterized me by race, religion, ethnicity, country-of-origin and political leanings–wrongly on four of five counts. To them I was an Iranian-American politically conservative Muslim. It is perhaps irrelevant in our brave new world of journalism that I was born in Boulder, Colo. I am not a Muslim or practitioner of any religion, nor am I a political conservative. What am I? I am, most devoutly, an American. I asked the reporter if this kind of labeling was a new policy for the paper. He had no response.

    The hysteria engendered by the series found more than one target. In addition to the death threats and hate mail directed at me, and my grotesque portrayal as a maddened right-winger, there developed an impassioned search for incriminating evidence on everyone else connected to the film. And in director David Cunningham, the searchers found paydirt! His father had founded a Christian youth outreach mission. The whiff of the younger Mr. Cunningham’s possible connection to this enterprise was enough to set the hounds of suspicion baying. A religious mission! A New York Times reporter wrote, without irony or explanation, that an issue that raised questions about the director was his involvement in his father’s outreach work. In the era of McCarthyism, the merest hint of a connection to communism sufficed to inspire dark accusations, the certainty that the accused was part of a malign conspiracy. Today, apparently, you can get something of that effect by charging a connection with a Christian mission.

    “The Path to 9/11” was intended to remind us of the common enemy we face. Like the 9/11 Report itself, it is meant to enable us to better defend ourselves from a future attack. Past is prologue, and 9/11 is merely another step in an escalating Islamic fundamentalist reign of terror. By dramatizing the step-by-step increase in attacks on America–all of which, in fact, occurred–we are better able to see the pattern and anticipate the future. That was the point of the series, its only intention. Call it the canary in the coal mine. Call it John O’Neill in the FBI.

    Despite intense political pressure to pull the film right up until airtime, Disney/ABC stood tall and refused to give in. For this–for not buckling to threats from Democratic senators threatening to revoke ABC station licenses–Disney CEO Rober Iger and ABC executives deserve every commendation. Hence the 28 million viewers over two nights, and the ratings victory Monday night (little reported by the media), are gratifying indeed.

    “The Path to 9/11” was set in the time before the event, and in a world in which no party had the political will to act. The principals did not know then what we know now. It is also indisputable that Bill Clinton entered office a month before the first attack on the World Trade Center. Eight years then went by, replete with terrorist assaults on Americans and American interests overseas. George W. Bush was in office eight months before 9/11. Those who actually watched the entire miniseries know that he was given no special treatment.

    It’s good to have come to something approaching the end of this saga, whose lessons are worth remembering. It gave us, for one thing, a heartening glimpse (these things don’t come along every day) of corporate backbone in the face of phenomenal pressure–and an infinitely more chilling one testifying to the power and reach of politically driven hysteria. A ripe subject for a miniseries, if ever there was one.

    Mr. Nowrasteh wrote the screenplay for “The Path to 9/11.”

  42. 43 – The people who were actually there took issue with the lies promulgated by the writer.

    All water under the bridge – the crappy docudrama was a ratings failure and Dubya’s lost his 9/11 bounce.

  44. Commentby Mike Webb SUCKS— 9/18/06@ 5:02 pm

    Actually I remember it. Yes, the far right did say that Mr. Gore was fighting it because he hated the military and it would go 70/30, or 60/40, or 90/10. Lots of pundits had lots of reasons, and none of them had a real idea of what Mr. Gore or his team were thinking. For that matter, neither do I. I can only do exactly what the pundits did, which is speculate.

    You’ll have to excuse me if I don’t take the far right’s word for what Mr. Gore or his team were thinking.

    What I do know is Navy Postal procedures, at least in general. One of my ships was rather small, and the Postal Clerks were in my Department. As I was the Department Leading Petty Officer at the time, I learned a bit about how the system worked. I am making the assumption that they did not greatly relax the postal regulations in later years.

    1. No postmarks. Big no-no.

    2. Improper tracking of mail. Another big no-no.

    3. Improper sealing of mail bag. Yet another no-no.

    Postal Clerks in the Navy are entrusted with classified materials. The screw-ups we’re speaking of might seem small to an outsider, but this kind of thing would mean Courts-Martial for anyone responsible. At the very least, the PC would be busted and stripped of his designation. What we used to call “Instant Boatswain’s Mate”. The Commanding Officer of the ship would have a lot of explaining to do. This is considered to be classified material handling, and the Navy takes it pretty seriously when it gets that screwed up. From what I understand, the other services are equally careful, but my experience is Navy.

    Postal Clerk is a tough job to get into. Lots of competition to get into very few available billets. We didn’t just pick some deck Seaman and tell him to start sorting mail. These folks are very good at their jobs.

    Too many mistakes were made for it to be plausible that this was not deliberate fraud. That could happen without the Postal Clerk knowing about it. A properly registered mailbag coming up missing would cause a huge stink, while an extra mailbag, not registered, would cause an inquiry (which is what did happen). Then somehow, people were notified that there was a “mailbag full of military ballots”, and the pundits and politicians took over.

    I choose to believe that it was simply some individuals trying to “help” their candidate. The alternative is that it was a deliberate fraud perpetrated by the Republicans.

    The chance that those ballots were legitimate is so small as to be effectively non-existent. Don’t believe me? Stop by one of the ships in Everett or Bremerton and talk to the Postal Clerks. A bag full of unpostmarked ballots? They’d laugh you out of the office.

  45. A bit more on military ballots

    I suppose that I should add a bit more. This is a topic that tends to push a few of my buttons, but in the great scheme of things, it really doesn’t matter.

    While the ballots are almost certainly bogus, they were most likely done by some individual perhaps a couple of people, working on their own. I doubt that anyone was carrying out orders from Republican Central Command. It’s just too risky.

    Most of the folks arguing for including those ballots were probably doing so honestly. It does seem like a small thing. Some Seaman Apprentice just got lazy and tossed all the ballots into a bag, instead of doing his job right. Easy assumption to make if you are not familiar with the military postal system, and most people are not.

    So, instead of a vast right-wing conspiracy (I doubt if Ms. Clinton will ever live that down), we have a couple of guys getting ahold of a list, a pad of federal absentee ballots, and a mailbag. Then we had a bunch of pundits and politicians that had no clue what they were talking about.

    At this point that election is long over, and the only thing that really matters is to make sure it doesn’t happen again.

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