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by Goldy — Saturday, 9/2/06, 9:23 am

Death of a President

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  1. penelope farthingworth spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 9:33 am

    “Clear the decks. Here comes the guy from the Ministry of silly walks”

  2. For the Clueless spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 10:02 am

    Yikes! The wingnuts’ll have a field day with this.

    I’ll go on the record. George W. Shrub has a right to life.

    If he’s dead he can’t be impeached or made to answer to his crimes.

  3. Another TJ spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 10:37 am

    My understanding is the movie is not about (nor remotely implying approval of) the assassination of Bush. It’s about how U.S. society would react to the assassination of Bush. That seems to me to be a legitimate topic for artists to explore.

  4. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 10:44 am

    3

    Whatever literary justification might exist for this movie could be accomplished by depicting the assassination of a fictional president. This movie is within the free speech rights of the moviemakers, but it’s horrible judgment. It should be noted the movie was made offshore, not here in the States. This was the brainchild of some Brits — wonder what would happen to them if they made a movie depicting the assassination of Tony Blair, or of the queen? They don’t have as much free speech in Britain. Maybe that’s why they chose Bush as the subject of their film.

  5. Mark The Redneck spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 10:56 am

    Let’s switch things around: Would you America hating libs be so blase about this if it showed Bill Clinton getting his head cut off by a raghead terrorist ?

  6. Mark The Redneck spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 11:00 am

    Rabbit – Fuck you… you pompous fucking asshole…. feel free to wander off the plantation and condemn this piece of shit movie.

  7. Mark The Redneck spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 11:04 am

    Hey TJ – I have a suggestion for another “legitimate topic for artists to explore”. How ’bout Hillary get kidnapped by terrorists, and then they post a movie of her getting fucked up the ass. Let’s have a dialogue about how we’d respond to that… not that I’m “remotely implying approval” of her getting fucked up the ass… just want to explore here how you would react.

  8. Another TJ spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 11:14 am

    Whatever literary justification might exist for this movie could be accomplished by depicting the assassination of a fictional president… it’s horrible judgment.

    You mean some fictional president who shares all the characteristics of George W. Bush and who exists in a fictional 2007? The issue is most relevant in the context of the Bush presidency. To avoid putting it explicitly in that context because they might offend the delicate sensibilities of some Americans seems to me to be silly.

    It’s one thing to say they could have done it differently (of course they could have; virtually any artist could have produced a work different from their final product); it’s another to say they should have done it differently because they might offend the delicate sensibilities of some people. What you haven’t presented yet, Roger, is a substantial reason it was bad judgment.

  9. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 11:16 am

    6

    Gasbag: What part of this sentence don’t you understand? “This movie is … horrible judgment.”

    P.S., pay the $100 you owe Goldy, welsher.

  10. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 11:17 am

    8

    ATJ: No, I don’t mean that. What part of the word “fictional” don’t you understand? Try using a dictionary, idiot.

  11. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 11:18 am

    Wingnuts @ all

    God, oh God, why are wingnuts such fucking idiots?

  12. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 11:18 am

    11

    Just asking; You don’t have to answer right away.

  13. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 11:19 am

    5

    Who said we’re blase about it (except you, and you don’t count)? And why are you such a liar?

    P.S., pay the $100 you owe Goldy.

  14. Another TJ spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 11:20 am

    ATJ: No, I don’t mean that. What part of the word “fictional” don’t you understand? Try using a dictionary, idiot.

    Ow, my freakin’ ears!

    Thank you for the thoughtful, considered response.

  15. My Left Foot spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 11:46 am

    Lemme see here……..

    Roger expressed HIS OPINION and ATJ bit him.

    ATJ, it is not nice to bite bunnies.

    Roger is correct, it was bad judgement. As much as I don’t like Bush, murder is not the answer. This film could have been made with the beginning simply showing a head line “Bush Killed” at the beginning. Showing the act, which looks a lot like the killing of Lee Harvey Oswald to me, was just not called for.

    Carl Grossman
    Liberal, Democrat, Bunny Hugger

  16. Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 11:46 am

    LAS CRUCES, N.M. – Size doesn’t matter. That was the message as friends and colleagues of the late Clyde Tombaugh, the astronomer who discovered Pluto, gathered on the New Mexico State University campus to protest the International Astronomical Union’s recent decision to strip Pluto of its status as a planet.

    Photo shows signs that read ”size doesn’t matter”. Obviously written by Mr. Carl Grossman.

  17. For the Clueless spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 12:09 pm

    George W. Shrub: can’t stop him from making disastrous decisions and you can’t kill him.

    You can impeach him or at least slow him down by voting out the corrupt rubberstampers.

    Vote Democrat.

  18. Stephen Schwartz spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 12:18 pm

    How about one about Tom Cruise being assassinated?

  19. palamedes spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 12:24 pm

    As much as I hate W, my heart stopped for a moment when I saw this photo.

    British “psuedo-documentarians” are notrious for putting out stuff like this. What would happen if the UK had been successfully invaded by the Nazis, what would be the effect of a “limited nuclear war” in England, etc…

    It’s a poor decision to put Bush’s head IT-style on an actor’s body, but if you have any experience with this sort of thing, it isn’t unprecedented.

    And frankly, if the creators of this piece had been at work on this in 1998, say, they would have probably used Clinton’s head for the same reason – to force its viewers to see this all the more intently as “this could happen to us NOW”. To trump this up as an anti-W tirade misses the point, but the creators of this piece should alos have realized that it would be bound to elicit a lot of noise that would detract from the point of this “documentary”.

  20. Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 12:28 pm

    Perhaps a shot of Queen Hillary taking a few 45 slugs in the chest would be just as “artful”??

  21. Mark The Redneck spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 12:31 pm


    Day 12 September 2, 2006 Where’s Goldy?

    Mayor Nickels’
    unprecedented tax increase proposal
    and
    Tim Eyman’s opposition campaign
    not only screws the taxpayers into paying extra for basic services, but it also really puts Goldy and the rest of you seattle moonbats in a helluva predicament. I’ve been taunting Goldy for some time now with my “Where’s Goldy” series, and he still won’t tell us where he stands. No doubt, he’s between a rock and a hard place trying to figure out what to do. So as a true compassionate conservative, I’ll lay out the options here for ya Goldy:

    1) Open up your wallet and pay more and more property tax every year until you are forced out of your home. Even if you can do it, do you want to make seattle a place where only the rich can live? Or do you not give a fuck about anybody else?

    2) Join Eyman’s campaign to fight defeat the tax increase, and expose yourself to be the fucking hypocrite that you are. Admit that you are wrong about taxpayer rights, and thank Tim in pubic for giving you the right to vote on major policy issues.

    3) Support the tax hike and agree that the tax money has to be raised, but make somebody other than you pay. You could take the tried and true class envy approach and make those “rich people” in Magnolia and Queen Ann pick up the tab. Remember, a “fair tax” in moonbat parlance is a tax that the other guy has to pay.

    4) Or just keep quiet and hope I go away. That’s not gonna happen.


  22. Facts Support My Positions spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 12:33 pm

    I would much rather see Bush marched to the Hague in handcuffs…..

  23. For the Clueless spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 12:39 pm

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  24. My Left Foot spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 12:43 pm

    John Craig @ 16:

    Feel free to continue with your sophomoric attempts at juvenile humor.

    If you have something to say that is thoughtful or, at least on topic or target, I may address it. Then again, when have you ever said anything of substance here at HA.

    So please, continue “attacking” me, Mr.I Am So Rich and Living In Hawaii With My Dick In My Hand Wanking Myself Silly Posting On HA.

    Have a great weekend, John. Try to remember what this holiday is about and quit lying about your “service” to this great nation of ours. You were never in the Navy, never produced one God damned thing and your bank account is devoid of significant funds.

    Carl Grossman
    Liberal, Democrat

    In fact, if you are so rich, send me a ticket to Hawaii. I will be happy to come break bread with you. You can show me your medals, discharge certificate and bank statements. You can impress me with your home and surrounding grounds.

    I am sure you have a guest house to put me up in, right? Mrs. Left Foot says she will come too. Although you might prefer for her to stay at a hotel. Being alone with her might not be good for your physical well being. She is not as understanding as I am of the right to free speech and firmly believes you need your mouth washed out with soap and your ass kicked for the disrespectful attitude you have towards her, and, women in general.

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  25. My Left Foot spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 1:21 pm

    Anyone else notice that freedom of speech seems to be conditional with WingNuts? If you agree with them, speak freely. If you don’t you should be hauled off and shot for being a traitor.

  26. My Left Foot spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 1:21 pm

    A bullet I would proudly take.

  27. jsa on commercial drive spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 1:28 pm

    First, I’d like to tip my hat to the producers and PR flacks for this little film. A low-budget UK movie produced for television getting written up in The New York Fucking Times? That is cool in and of itself.

    I’m not very enthusiastic about anyone getting shot, even Bush.

    The only question I’m asking myself now is, will this movie be any good? I suspect not, but you sometimes get surprised. Lots of British content gets dumped into our idiot boxes up here in Canada (you’d swear the fuckers kept this place as a colony or something), so I’ll probably get to sit at the telly with some crisps one evening and report back on the important question: is this turkey worth watching?

  28. My Left Foot spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 1:39 pm

    Translation for WinNuts: Telly is Television. Crisps are potato chips. Lesson over. Class dismissed.

  29. Another TJ spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 1:43 pm

    ATJ, it is not nice to bite bunnies.

    And yet, somehow, some way, I’ll find the strength to carry on. :-)

  30. jsa on commercial drive spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 1:54 pm

    Just a side to MTR @ 6:

    feel free to wander off the plantation and condemn this piece of shit movie.

    I see one of your problems Mark. With this statement, it’s clear you have no idea where the plantation is. Heed Sun Zi who said ren bi ren ji (know your enemy as you know yourself).

    (Sun Zi also said when you’re fighting a war, go in, kill the SOBs fast, declare victory, and go home, but that’s another thread).

    “Is Social Security a positive force for promoting social well-being and greater equity?” Yeah, that’s an on/off the reservation question for most liberals. “Is a fictionalized movie based around George Bush being shot a good thing?” Not so much.

    But don’t mind me. If it makes you feel better to believe that half the country is as insane for vindictiveness as you are, be my guest.

  31. My Left Foot spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 1:57 pm

    jsa on commercial drive @ 30:

    Well said, eh!!!!!

  32. americafirst spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 2:01 pm

    This difference my donk political enemies is a Wahhabist will die to make sure decadent Western “progressive” culture does not arrive in his country. He will die over here to stop it from spreading. That’s the difference and it’s the donk who just don’t get it. Osama didn’t say he hated fundamental christians, he says he hates the things “progressive” donk hold dear to their hearts. What gets me is Mohammad Atta and his buds visited a Nevada brothel before they did they dirty deed.
    Commentby Mike Webb Sucks—— 9/2/06@ 8:00 am
    _______________________________________________________________________
    The irony is that we could probably cut a deal with the Islamofascists to stop most terrorism by turning the Bush-hating Christian-hating decadent libs over to the jihadists for throat-cutting. These suicidal moonbats haven’t figured that out yet.

  33. For the Clueless spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 2:06 pm

    fascistfirst – best estimates count between 1 and 3 million muslims in the U.S.

    How many of them do you want to kill?

  34. americafirst spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 2:07 pm

    Remember, moonbats, the most important question is what were the terrorists feeling:
    ______________________________________________

    Is more violence and less safety what we want?
    By LYNN ALLEN
    GUEST COLUMNIST
    “The attacks brought up so many questions. Why would people from another part of the world do this? Who was Osama bin Laden and how did he find 19 hijackers to die for his cause? How could they hate us so much? “ http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/.....91103.html
    —————————————————————————————————

  35. Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 2:09 pm

    Carl Grossman
    Liberal, Democrat
    “Mrs. Left Foot says she will come too.” [No shit. Tell the bitch to pay FOR HER OWN VACATION to Hawaii. I didn’t marry a “JAP”. You did. So after her whining and bitching and compaining, YOU entertain her!!!]

  36. LeftTurn spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 2:14 pm

    Here’s the problem with the faux outrage over this movie.

    As usual….

    1) Not one of these inbred fucking right wing traitors that’s crying about the movie has seen it…

    2) When Clinton was in office, these cowards were calling for his death daily.

    Since Ann (The Aids-infested Cunt) Coulter has personally advocated death or violence for four Dems in the last six months and since Pat Robertson has invited his marks (oops I mean followers) to pray for the death of a sitting US Supreme Court Justice, I hardly think the righties have a leg to stand on until they come out in public and rebuke the Coulters and Robertsons of the world for engaging in similar conduct.

  37. For the Clueless spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 2:15 pm

    fascistfirst – The important question IMHO is:

    When will the wingnuts pull their heads out of their asses?

    Those that do: welcome to the world.

    Those that don’t: If you want to be a loser, fine. It’s a free country.

  38. Daddy Love spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 2:16 pm

    I’m on the “reservation” with the roughly 60% of Americans who think we should get the fuck out of Iraq wihin a year.

    Haven’t watched the Bush movie trailer yet. Not particularly interested. But whatever gets MTR’s dander up is OK by me.

  39. Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 2:26 pm

    “Since Ann (The Aids-infested Cunt) Coulter”
    Commentby LeftTurn…………..Carl, you do have a problem with women. Where you a nerd in high school?

  40. howcanyoubePROUDtobeanASS spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 2:31 pm

    Come on you traitors… admit the only reason you can’t say you want Bush assassinated is because then you’d have President Cheney.

    You pricklets are a bunch of liars… and not even good ones.

  41. howcanyoubePROUDtobeanASS spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 2:31 pm

    Come on you traitors… admit the only reason you can’t say you want Bush assassinated is because then you’d have President Cheney.

    You pricklets are a bunch of liars… and not even good ones.

  42. My Left Foot spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 2:31 pm

    39

    The quote referenced by JCH is not mine. I do not use the “C” word. Ever! More Republican shit tossing and hoping it sticks.

  43. howcanyoubePROUDtobeanASS spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 2:34 pm

    I do not use the “C” word. Ever! More Republican shit tossing and hoping it sticks. -Commentby My Left Foot— 9/2/06@ 2:31 pm

    Oh please, suddenly you’re particular and prissy about your language? BULLSHIT on you, pricklet.

  44. My Left Foot spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 2:36 pm

    35:

    Mrs. Left Foot is no JAP (please research earlier postings) neither is she a bitch. Again, JCH avoids the issue of my original post, offering to come visit and break bread.

    JCH is confusing Left Turn with Left Foot. Would be nice if he would pull his head out of his considerable ass once in a while and pay attention.

  45. Another TJ spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 2:37 pm

    I do not use the “C” word. Ever!

    Coultergeist?

  46. Daddy Love spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 2:38 pm

    Harry Reid already weighed in on the ‘grim’ Pentagon report on Iraq:
    “The Pentagon’s new report today indicates that President Bush, Vice President Cheney and Secretary Rumsfeld’s speeches are increasingly disconnected from the facts on the ground in Iraq. Even the Pentagon acknowledges Iraq is tipping into civil war. Failed Republican policies have left America bogged down in Iraq, with our military stretched thin and less able to fight and win the war on terror.”

    Maybe Bush and Rumsfeld will stop campaigning for a minute, come back to Washington, and devise a real strategy for success in Iraq. Ah, who am I kidding?

  47. My Left Foot spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 2:41 pm

    43:

    I am particular about that word the “N” word and the “K” word when referring to Jews. These words are particularly offensive and volatile. You can feel free to use them, I won’t.

    Proudofherass, are you bitter because men won’t touch you? You might try acting more like a lady than a revolutionary soldier.

  48. Daddy Love spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 2:43 pm

    “admit the only reason you can’t say you want Bush assassinated is because then you’d have President Cheney.”

    Oh, come on. First, we’re gonna beat you guys at the ballot box, becasue WE beleive in democracy.

    Second, assassination is counterproductive. It turns Republican into martyrs instead of crooks.

    BTW, if it the reason you guys think it was “liberals” who attacked the National Guardsmen because they were presumably “anti-war,” does that mean thay you admit that 55-60% of America is “liberal?” Because that’s how many are against the war.

  49. My Left Foot spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 2:43 pm

    ATJ @ 45:

    Good point. Coultergeist! Wow, I like that.

  50. Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 2:45 pm

    “Since Ann (The Aids-infested Cunt) Coulter”
    Commentby LeftTurn…………..Carl, you do have a problem with women. Were you a nerd in high school? Ann: Republican babe Helen Thomas: Democrat babe See the difference???

  51. Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 2:46 pm

    Proudofherass, are you bitter because men won’t touch you?
    Commentby My Left Foot [……………..Carl, You do know how to sweet talk the ladies!!!]

  52. jsa on commercial drive spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 2:48 pm

    HowCanYoublahblahblah @ 40

    Come on you traitors… admit the only reason you can’t say you want Bush assassinated is because then you’d have President Cheney.

    Wow! Everyone’s here today! I’m getting the Dive on the Drive spiffed up so the wife and kids can visit this weekend, and am blowing off steam between housekeeping chores. What’s your excuse? Get out and enjoy some of that warmth and sunshine. It’s good for the bod and the soul.

    Now, on to your statement.

    No. It’s not about President Cheney. It’s this thing called VALUES. You know, what you accuse us liberals of not having so that you can keep that sanctimonious tone in your voice all the time.

    YOU DON’T KILL PEOPLE YOU DON’T AGREE WITH. That is the province of third-world strongmen and similar thugs. Again, you are angry, you project this anger towards people you don’t like, and you assume that the rest of the world is as angry as you are and just puts on a happy face.

    Unfortunately, the rest of us don’t think this way for the most part. Once Tuesday rolls around, find someone to talk out these issues you have. Your minister, a therapist, or just someone at the bar. It’s all good.

    In the mean time, enjoy the sun.

  53. My Left Foot spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 2:58 pm

    50

    Again, John Craig Herman is attempting to stick me with a quote I did not make, and again he is avoiding the issue.

  54. howcanyoubePROUDtobeanASS spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 3:09 pm

    When was Harry Reid in Iraq? Has he spoken with ‘boots on the ground’ guys? It sure seems to me he picks bad news off the shelf like he picks cheese out of his naval.

    My spouse and I know a guy making a small fortune working for the government (non-military affiliated in any way shape or form, but with agriculture and environmental programs) in Iraq and the story he told us just last week (back home from boots on the ground) is that Iraq is thriving and growing in prosperity. They are surveying land, building landfills and expanding agriculture production. The Iraqi government is spending 20 MILLION US DOLLARS in the US to buy equipment and transfer trailer from US COMPANIES.

    But pricks like Reid don’t want his pricklets to know any good news from Iraq. It might screw his agenda, which is why Americans don’t trust liberals aka, America hating traitors.

  55. Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 3:15 pm

    Carl, tell the bitch that I’m watching college football and she will have to “entertain” herself today. I”ll bet even her friend “Jerome” is busy today. Tell her to go shopping, or to the spa, or something. Just get the bitch out of the house!!!

  56. americafirst spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 3:36 pm

    Wow! Everyone’s here today! I’m getting the Dive on the Drive spiffed up so the wife and kids can visit this weekend, and am blowing off steam between housekeeping chores. What’s your excuse? Get out and enjoy some of that warmth and sunshine. It’s good for the bod and the soul.
    Commentby jsa on commercial drive— 9/2/06@ 2:48 pm
    —————————————————
    Don’t forget to dust and feed the cats, and remember to think about the central question– what were the terrorists feeling?

  57. My Left Foot spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 3:40 pm

    55

    Again, nothing of substance from JCHerman. I am watching football too. But I bet his TV is bigger than mine. It makes his penis feel better. Since no one else will feel it.

  58. My Left Foot spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 3:43 pm

    54:

    wow proudtobeanass, you have a spouse. Holy crap, the universe just shifted. Left.

    Name your friends business. And point me to proof that civil war is not breaking out. The media, even your beloved Faux News Channel, has not reported the “new found prosperity”. If this is true, why aren’t the troops coming home.

    Now that you have been called on your lies, go back to doing spouse stuff with your spouse.

  59. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 3:54 pm

    14

    “Thank you for the thoughtful, considered response.” Commentby Another TJ— 9/2/06@ 11:20 am

    Was my response thoughtful and considered? I apologize; I didn’t mean it to be. My intention was to call you an idiot, a dumbass, and a liar — because you are all three. In addition, go fuck your mother. Am I making myself clear yet?

  60. howcanyoubePROUDtobeanASS spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 3:58 pm

    http://www.centcom.mil/sites/u.....eases.aspx

    read the good news Harry doens’t want you to know and weep little koolaid drinking pricklet… be sure to scroll to the bottom and hit ‘next’ for MORE good news… and try not to choke on your lime koolaid… on 2nd thought, choke away.

  61. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 3:59 pm

    6 and 8

    Lying is one thing, but when people lie about what I said, that pisses me off.

  62. jsa on commercial drive spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 3:59 pm

    americafirst @ 56:

    Don’t forget to dust and feed the cats, and remember to think about the central question– what were the terrorists feeling?

    Dusting, done.
    Don’t keep cats at a commuter pad.

    What are the terrorists feeling? Not something that’s heavily on my mind right now.

    People who run airplanes into buildings are insane. They are evil people, and deserve long stretches in prison if they are caught before they do their evil deeds.

    Now, why is it that so many of these people come from Saudi Arabia and so few come from Missouri? Is it evil American foreign policy? Hateful Wahhabi Islam? Is it just that there aren’t enough good shows on television showing people getting blown up so that the susceptible few can get out their ya-yas in front of the TV with a beer? I don’t know, there is very little I personally can do to change any of those things (except American foreign policy, which I get to vote on every two years), and thus, I don’t think about it all that much.

  63. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 4:02 pm

    20

    “Perhaps a shot of Queen Hillary taking a few 45 slugs in the chest would be just as “artful”?? Commentby Doctor JCH Kennedy— 9/2/06@ 12:28 pm

    If that actually happened, plenty of wingnuts would be clapping, cheering, and applauding. If it happened to Bush … well, we liberals oppose him, but we don’t applaud murder. That’s the difference between us and you right wing ape-men.

  64. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 4:03 pm

    21 DAY TWO HUNDRED AND TWELVE

    Where’s the $100 you owe Goldy?

  65. howcanyoubePROUDtobeanASS spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 4:03 pm

    I’m fairly certain Harry the prick doesn’t want his little pricklets actually hearing from the boots on the ground either.

    Listen away little pricklets…

    http://www.dvidshub.net/?scrip.....o_main.php

  66. howcanyoubePROUDtobeanASS spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 4:04 pm

    And let’s not miss MORE good news the pricklets would prefer not to know…

    http://www.rebuilding-iraq.net.....UPDATE.PDF

  67. howcanyoubePROUDtobeanASS spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 4:08 pm

    Joint Effort Decreases Terrorist Activity

  68. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 4:11 pm

    21 (continued)

    Mark the Gasbag apparently is smart enough not to attack my position on Mayor Nickels’ ripoff tax increase (why the fuck does Nickles need $1.8 billion for a $500 million backlog of bridge and road repairs?). But that hasn’t stopped Gasbag from lying about what I said about Bush’s tax cuts.

    Gasbag alleges that I “denied there is a link between cutting tax rates and subsequent increases in federal revenue.” Nothing could be further from the truth. What I said was:

    “A 0% tax rate produces no revenue. A 100% tax rate also produces no revenue, because there would be no economic activity. Somewhere between the 0% and 100% tax rates, there is a tax rate that maximizes federal revenue.

    “If the existing tax rate is less than this figure, cutting the tax rate will decrease revenue. If it’s more, cutting the tax rate will increase revenue.”

    Gasbad, on the other hand, did say that cutting taxes ALWAYS increases revenues, which is demonstrably false:

    2000 – $1,372,376,000,000 (baseline year)
    2001 – $1,297,063,000,000
    2002 – $1,152,413,000,000
    2003 – $1,069,364,000,000
    2004 – $1,146,664,000,000
    2005 – $1,279,114,000,000 (estimate)

    (Data from official sources)

    Notice that, even though revenue rose in 2004 and 2005 (almost entirely because of higher tax collections on corporate profits and exploding CEO salaries), it still hasn’t caught up with what it was before Bush began cutting taxes in 2001.

    Gasbag is not only a liar, he is economically illiterate.

  69. howcanyoubePROUDtobeanASS spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 4:11 pm

    Ministries in Iraqi hands
    Ministry of Health
    Ministry of Education
    Ministry of Interior
    Ministry of Oil
    Water & Sanitation Systems
    Ministry of Agriculture
    Ministry of Culture
    Ministry of Foreign Affairs
    Ministry of Housing & Development
    Ministry of Industry and Minerals
    Ministry of Planning
    Ministry of Water Resources
    Ministries still receiving assistants from CPA
    None!

    Iraqi Health Ministry

    The country has not faced a public health crisis and there is no evidence of epidemic.

    Health care spending in Iraq has increased to 60 times pre-liberation levels.

    240 Iraqi hospitals and more than 1,200 primary health centers are operating and have been since last summer.

    More than 30 million doses of children’s vaccine have been distributed. The program to immunize the nation’s 4.2 million children under the age of five against preventable diseases is well-advanced.

    More than 700,000 pregnant women have received tetanus toxin vaccinations. These vaccinations benefit mother and child.

    The World Health Organization has declared Iraq to be free of polio.

    Physicians’ salaries have increased dramatically.

    And a comprehensive plan to improve nursing care is underway

    Ministry of Education

    Most schools were open very soon after liberation and the highly valued national exams were given in June 2003.

    32,632 secondary school teachers and 3,000 supervisors have been trained in effective classroom management and curriculum delivery.

    Entry-level teacher salaries were raised from a pre-war monthly salary of $5 to $66. The average is now about $120 per month.

    Distributed 159,000 student desks, over 26,437 teacher desks, 61,000 chalkboards and 58,000 teacher kits including distributions in non-permissive areas.

    By March 04, more than 2500 schools had been rehabilitated with another 869 underway

    Distributed 808,000 primary student kits and 81,735 primary teacher kits

    Ministry of Interior

    There are more than 200,000 Iraqis working for the Iraqi security services – more than the number of Coalition forces. The Iraqi security services are bringing stability and security to Iraq making them a serious threat to the enemy.

    More than 9,000 border police officers are on duty today.

    Nearly 1,500 newly-hired IPS officers have completed their eight-week basic training course and are on the streets of Iraq protecting the people.

    More than 12,000 rehired IPS officers have completed a three-week Transition and Integration Program (TIP) training course during which they were instructed in international standards for human rights, modern police patrol procedures and techniques, and Iraqi criminal law and procedures

    Ministry of Oil

    Production capacity has exceeded pre-conflict levels and currently stands at approximately 2.5 MBPD.

    Daily Exports average 1.58 MBPD.

    As of March 10, 2004 , estimated crude oil export revenue reached $2.8 billion for 2004.

    Oil exports have generated $1.8 billion more revenue between October 2003 and January 2004 than originally anticipated.

    Security measures at pipeline facilities and the crackdown on smuggling demonstrate the coalition’s commitment to working with Iraqis to protect their nation’s assets, so that they can benefit all Iraqis, rather than the criminals.

    Oil infrastructure security force was established and 14,000 Iraqi oil security guards have been trained and deployed.

    Water & Sanitation Systems

    CPA, through USAID, is currently rehabilitating three sewage treatment plants. The first of the sewage treatment plants will came on-line in April 2004.

    The Coalition has allocated more than $100 million toward repairs and refurbishments to the sewer system. The CPA has approved $70 million form Iraqi funds and USAID has approved $30 million. These monies will be used for planned, long-term improvements to the treatment plants, pumping stations and overall network.

    More than $6 million has been dedicated for emergency operations and repairs.

    Over the past four months, more than $200 million has been obligated toward more than 200 emergency projects in nine different districts.

  70. howcanyoubePROUDtobeanASS spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 4:12 pm

    Iraqi Journalists are Discovering the Freedom of the Press

  71. jsa on commercial drive spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 4:12 pm

    Yes, yes. Military sites post good news. This is surprising because…

    I was digging through the reconstruction report. The “final goal” of energy reconstruction efforts is to get 10-12 hours a day of electricity to households throughout Iraq.

    I don’t know about you, but if my house got 10-12 hours a day of electricity (particularly when bad, mean Saddam Hussein delivered 24 hour-a-day electricity, like, you know, normal places), I might be doing a certain level of balancing in my head:

    Insane leaders vs electricity and running water. What’s up with that?

  72. howcanyoubePROUDtobeanASS spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 4:15 pm

    Of course you’d prefer Saddam and his ‘dependable power’… just ignore those mass graves and that wood chipper in the corner square.

  73. My Left Foot spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 4:17 pm

    60:

    Centcom? This is a reliable source? The same source that proclaimed “Mission Accomplished”. Please, when you have non -government verification, point me to it.

  74. My Left Foot spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 4:20 pm

    ProudofHerAssBitchWithASpouse has a new word: Pricklet. Just like her spouse.

  75. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 4:20 pm

    25

    “Anyone else notice that freedom of speech seems to be conditional with WingNuts? If you agree with them, speak freely. If you don’t you should be hauled off and shot for being a traitor.” Commentby My Left Foot— 9/2/06@ 1:21 pm

    No kidding! Read this:

    “Tom Feeney Evicts Clint Curtis From ‘Public’ Meeting!

    “Guest blogged by Winter Patriot

    “According to usually reliable sources, Congressman Tom Feeney (R-FL) flexed enough muscle on Monday night to have his potential November opponent, Clint Curtis, evicted from what was supposed to be a public meeting.

    “The meeting, at the Republican Club of North Brevard, in Titusville, FL, featured Feeney as a speaker. Curtis was sitting quietly in the audience when Feeney noticed him there. At that point, … Feeney immediately turned bright red and started whispering to some of the people near him.

    “One of those people raised a point of order and pointed out that there was a Democrat in the room. She said she wanted him to leave because this was a Republican meeting and she did not feel it was appropriate to have a Democrat in the audience.

    “The chair said that perhaps Democratic members of the audience would be converted to Republicans. When others objected to Curtis’ presence at the meeting, the chair informed them that it was an open meeting and the rules required that Curtis be allowed to stay. …

    “Feeney jumped up and took over the podium. He stated that one of his opponents — Clint Curtis — was present. Then Feeney said, ‘I have never met him before.’ … In fact, Curtis worked at Yang Enterprises Inc. when Feeney was their lobbyist and chief counsel, and the two men were involved in several projects together.

    “One such project began when Feeney asked Curtis to design a prototype of a vote-rigging program. Curtis complied … thinking that Feeney wanted to see what a fraudulent vote-counting program looked like, so he would know how to detect such a thing. But later Curtis found out that Feeney wanted the program in order to manipulate the vote in Democratic-leaning South Florida.

    “The BRAD BLOG has reported extensively on this story, and has noted repeatedly that Curtis has taken — and passed — a polygraph test administered by Tim Robinson, the retired chief polygraph operator for the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. On the other hand, Feeney — who has been caught in countless lies pertaining to this episode — has refused to take such a test himself. …

    “After making several accusations about what Curtis had written about George Bush, Dick Cheney and himself (in Curtis’ book, Just a Fly on the Wall), Feeney said that he wanted Curtis to be asked to leave. According to our sources, a public official evicting a citizen from an open meeting is in violation of the state’s Sunshine Law. …

    As Curtis departed, he encouraged ‘all honest Americans to depart.’ According to the reports we’ve received, almost one third of the audience — including Democrats, Republicans and Independents — left the meeting. One of the people who left was Tracy Williams, chair of the Brevard Democratic DEC. She turned to the group and said that everyone is welcome at Democratic DEC meetings. She also personally invited Mr. Feeney to speak at any Democratic DEC meeting.

    “Several of those who stayed for the meeting reported that members of the club were appalled that the Republican Party had become such a closed-minded organization. Closed-minded? Perhaps. But there’s something more involved here, is there not?
    In Curtis’ words, ‘Seems like Feeney is scared to death of the truth.’ He may be impossibly corrupt, but apparently he’s not stupid.”

    See http://www.bradblog.com/ for more articles on Curtis and voting integrity issues.

    (From an e-mail I received)

  76. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 4:22 pm

    For those of you who haven’t been following the Tom Feeney story, Curtis is a whistleblower who worked for a company that GOP officials hired to design election-stealing software.

  77. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 4:27 pm

    TOM FEENEY: PARTNER IN THE GOP CRIME FAMILY

    According to Wikipedia,

    “Feeney was named of ‘The 13 Most Corrupt Members of Congress’ in a 2006 report by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, because of … trips he took in apparent violation of House travel and gift rules. …

    “Former Republican assistant Clint Curtis testified under oath to a Congressional hearing on voting fraud in October 2000 of Feeney having asked Curtis to design an electronic voting program which could effectively ‘flip an entire vote count’ away from any Democrat in an election, and at the same time render this action undetectable, and mass market it in order to defraud elections. …

    “In May 2006, Feeney reported on his personal financial disclosure form that he was the joint owner of a condominium at the Royal Mansions resort in Cape Canaveral, Florida. Feeney listed the purchase date as January of 2005, but online records of the Brevard County Appraiser’s office show that the sale actually took place in late 2003. … Feeney’s failure to include the purchase as part of his 2003 financial reporting is a violation of House rules, and leaves open the possibility that the Feeney’s investment in the property was backdated to give him a large, risk-free profit.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Feeney

  78. My Left Foot spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 4:31 pm

    75 and 76:

    Curtis was actually arrested and hauled off. There is sure to be more fallout.

  79. My Left Foot spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 4:41 pm

    Here is some more on the Feeney/Curtis race. Feeney is a scumball.

    http://tinyurl.com/ezqyx

    Roger, I finally figured out how and what Tiny URL is. When I grow up, I want to be smart bunny just like you.

  80. jsa on commercial drive spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 4:41 pm

    Ass @ 72:

    You know, I don’t give your cranium much credit sometimes. I’ll admit it. My bad. But really. Is that brain of yours so small that you can only keep one narrative in your head at one time?

    Either everything the military says is true, and LIEburul media is all doom and gloom, and Iraq is hearts and flowers, etc. or put the shoe on the other foot.

    That is sad that you think that way. I mean it. It’s sad.

    Yes, some reconstruction work is going on in Iraq. I have no doubt that the people who are taking on this work (especially the brave men and women in the Army Corps of Engineers who contributed so much to that nice report) are working hard and doing their best. The fact remains that most of the country is a mess and basic services are not functioning after THREE YEARS.

    Yes, by putting a lot of soldiers at one point, parts of Baghdad have gone from an intolerable state of anarchy to a tolerable state of anarchy (this means you would literally not be caught dead there. Central DC-level, let alone suburban Woodinville-level security is still quite a ways off). At the same time, the security situation elsewhere is deteriorating because soliders who were keeping the peace out in the countryside are now in Baghdad, and not doing their jobs elsewhere.

    The country got blown up once by American armaments back in 1991. It was put back together relatively quickly while Iraq was under pretty harsh sanctions. We’ve had 3 years, hundreds of billions of dollars funneled in, and it’s not only not back together, with the exception of a few bright points like repainted railway stations and what have you, it’s still pretty much a mess. Forgive me for being unimpressed.

  81. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 4:45 pm

    RUMSFELD SHIFTS INTO ‘DENY’ MODE

    Stung by media criticism and Democratic demands for his head, Donald Rumsfeld now denies comparing critics of Bush’s Iraq policy with pre-WW2 appeasers. But Democrats in Congress are having none of Rumsfeld’s bullshit:

    “Rumsfeld calls on Democrats for ‘constructive’ debate on Iraq
    “By ANNE PLUMMER FLAHERTY
    “The Associated Press

    “WASHINGTON, D.C. — … In a letter to Congress’ top Democrats, Rumsfeld said recent remarks he made … were misrepresented by the media ….

    “During his speech before thousands of veterans Tuesday, Rumsfeld said the world faces ‘a new type of fascism’ and warned against repeating the pre-World War II mistake of appeasement. He alluded to critics of the Bush administration’s war policies in terms associated with the failure to stop Nazism in the 1930s, … (and) said ‘it is apparent that many have still not learned history’s lessons.’ …

    “(House Democratic leader) Pelosi, D-Calif., … said: ‘Rumsfeld’s efforts to smear critics of the Bush administration’s Iraq policy are a pathetic attempt to shift the public’s attention from his repeated failure to manage the conduct of the war competently.’

    ” … (A) spokeswoman for Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada said, ‘It’s always been clear what Secretary Rumsfeld said. What’s not clear is that he has a strategy in Iraq and to keep America safe. …’ After Rumsfeld’s speech, Reid … said, ‘If there’s one person who has failed to learn the lessons of history, it’s Donald Rumsfeld.’

    “Sen. Jack Reed, D-R.I., … a member of the Armed Services Committee, … said Rumsfeld has been ‘substituting sloganing for strategy’ and that it is time Rumsfeld ‘should be departing’ the Pentagon.

    “Senate Democrats were expected to meet Wednesday to discuss … a vote of no confidence on Rumsfeld. Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., has vowed to push … for Rumsfeld to resign. ‘Nothing can change the fact that Secretary Rumsfeld insulted the patriotism of the American people, and he needs to be held accountable for it,’ Boxer said Friday.”

    This article from the Seattle Times is quoted under the Fair Use doctrine; for complete story and/or copyright info, see http://tinyurl.com/nbkhk

  82. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 4:49 pm

    29

    “And yet, somehow, some way, I’ll find the strength to carry on.” Commentby Another TJ— 9/2/06@ 1:43 pm

    Feel free to show up at my burrow in Green Lake Park anytime! Bring a gun, so I can claim self-defense. Or feel free to kiss my ass! For a good time, call 1-800-LICK-ROG.

  83. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 4:51 pm

    32

    “turning the Bush-hating Christian-hating decadent libs over to the jihadists for throat-cutting” Commentby americafirst— 9/2/06@ 2:01 pm

    Feel free to try any time, nazi … for my toll-free phone number, see #82.

  84. americafirst spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 4:52 pm

    “A 0% tax rate produces no revenue. A 100% tax rate also produces no revenue, because there would be no economic activity. Somewhere between the 0% and 100% tax rates, there is a tax rate that maximizes federal revenue.
    “If the existing tax rate is less than this figure, cutting the tax rate will decrease revenue. If it’s more, cutting the tax rate will increase revenue.”

    Gasbad, on the other hand, did say that cutting taxes ALWAYS increases revenues, which is demonstrably false:
    2000 – $1,372,376,000,000 (baseline year)
    2001 – $1,297,063,000,000
    2002 – $1,152,413,000,000
    2003 – $1,069,364,000,000
    2004 – $1,146,664,000,000
    2005 – $1,279,114,000,000 (estimate)
    _Commentby Roger Rabbit—— 9/2/06@ 4:11 pm
    ________________________________________________________________________
    Your point on a tax rate which maximizes federal revenue is obvious but your implied conclusion is weak since you chose a base year of 2000, which was the tail-end of the dotcom bubble and many taxpayers were taking profits out of the stock market.

  85. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 4:52 pm

    These fascist trollfucks talk big when they can hide behind a computer, but like “I’ll be there” prr, when push comes to shove and shoving back, they’re always a no-show. Buh-hk-cluck-cluck!

  86. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 5:00 pm

    Speaking of on/off the reservation, an AP/Ipsos poll last year showed that 80% of the public thinks it’s the government’s responsibility to “provide a decent standard of living for the elderly,” while only 16% said it isn’t, and 4% were unsure.

    In the same poll, the public disagreed with Bush’s approach to Social Security by 2-to-1 margins.

    Opposing Social Security definitely is “off the reservation.”

    http://tinyurl.com/8s9df

  87. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 5:02 pm

    41

    “… the only reason you can’t say you want Bush assassinated is because then you’d have President Cheney.” Commentby howcanyoubePROUDtobeanASS— 9/2/06@ 2:31 pm

    You’re mistaken. We’re not violent like you wingfuck nazis (except in self-defense). Just because you think killing sopmeone is the solution to every social problem, doesn’t mean everyone else does, too. You’re not normal, you know. You’re a sick, pathetic, sociopath.

  88. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 5:04 pm

    43

    “Oh please, suddenly you’re particular and prissy about your language? BULLSHIT on you, pricklet.” Commentby howcanyoubePROUDtobeanASS— 9/2/06@ 2:34 pm

    Don’t worry, you won’t have that problem with me, you pathetic unpatriotic America-hating dick-sucking animal-fucking brain-atrophied sociopathic moron.

  89. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 5:05 pm

    47

    She ain’t no lady, she’s some Republican’s wife.

  90. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 5:06 pm

    50

    “Ann: Republican babe Helen Thomas: Democrat babe See the difference???” Commentby Doctor JCH Kennedy— 9/2/06@ 2:45 pm

    Yes, Herr Doktor, we do see the difference.

  91. jsa on commercial drive spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 5:07 pm

    You’re a sick, pathetic, sociopath.

    Uh, Rog, I don’t think that word means what you think it means. A sociopath is unconcerned for others. Most sociopaths I know are externally (and superficially) fairly charming. Ted Bundy is your classic case.

    Ass is not right in the head, I agree with you on that much, but she is probably not a sociopath.

  92. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 5:08 pm

    “Proudofherass, are you bitter because men won’t touch you?”

    No problem, I can get one of my donkey friends to bang her. They’re not particular; they’ll fuck anything, even a Republican.

  93. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 5:09 pm

    53

    “Again, John Craig Herman is attempting to stick me with a quote I did not make” Commentby My Left Foot— 9/2/06@ 2:58 pm

    That seems to be the trollfucks’ new tactic … Mark the Gasbag and Another TJ have been doing the same thing to me.

  94. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 5:11 pm

    57

    “Again, nothing of substance from JCHerman. I am watching football too. But I bet his TV is bigger than mine. It makes his penis feel better.” Commentby My Left Foot— 9/2/06@ 3:40 pm

    Isn’t it weird how guys with small penises always have big TVs?

  95. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 5:11 pm

    Psychologists call that “compensation.”

  96. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 5:13 pm

    Speaking of compensation, Mike? Cheap Labor wants to reduce the compensation of waitresses by letting restaurant owners deduct their tips from the hourly minimum wage. Betcha Mike? Cheap labor won’t get the waitress vote.

    I mean, what kind of sick bastard steals from the waitress tip jar? The same kind of guy who lies about a DUI, I guess.

  97. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 5:16 pm

    And then McGavick had the nerve to run lying ads about Cantwell voting against “raising the minimum wage” when the bill she voted against actually would have cut the minimum wage to $2.15 an hour for some tipped workers.

    What kind of sick bastard thinks employers should be able to pay workers $2.15 an hour, in America, in 2006? What does he think this country is, Haiti?

  98. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 5:17 pm

    The same kind of sick bastard who would lie to a cop about how much he had to drink, hoping the cop will let him go on his merry way so he can kill somebody, I suppose.

  99. howcanyoubePROUDtobeanASS spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 5:18 pm

    Isn’t it weird that liberals can’t conduct a debate without devolving into namecalling and insults?

    In your heart of hearts you liberals must admit to yourselves that you NEED Iraq to be a failure; you NEED the economy to falter, you NEED gas prices to skyrocket, stock market to crash and another Katrina to hit so that you can sactimoniously blame the Republicans… it’s all you have. And those NEEDS of hoping and wanting ill to come to your fellow citizens is why we call you pricklets traitors.

    ^UP^ there somewhere, one of the koolaid drinkers said you pricklets didn’t want Bush assassinated because it would bring sympathy to the GOP. I stand corrected in that… but it is a direct correlative PROOF of your desire, hope and need for America to fail.

  100. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 5:20 pm

    69

    I’ll bet if you e-mailed this bit of wingnut propaganda to any randomly selected Iraqi, you’d get a horse laugh you could hear all the way from Baghdad.

  101. jsa on commercial drive spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 5:22 pm

    I mean it Ass, seek help.

    I don’t think you are trying to destroy the country. I just think you’re an unhappy and not terribly bright woman who needs to get out more.

    And wit that, it’s time for me to go out and play. Later peeps!

  102. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 5:22 pm

    71

    In other words, the GOP goal is to turn Baghdad into Southern California when Enron was running the grid. Only they’re not there yet.

  103. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 5:28 pm

    72

    Yes, ASS, I’m sure Iraqis feel safer and better off when American G.I.s come into their villages with orders to “kill all military-age males.”

    “Army Recommends Death for Accused GIs

    “PHOENIX (Sept. 2) – An Army investigator has recommended that four soldiers accused of murder in an Iraqi raid face the death penalty. …

    “The soldiers have claimed they were ordered to ‘kill all military age males’ during a raid on an island on a canal in the northern Salahuddin province. According to statements from some of the soldiers, they were told the target was an al-Qaida training camp and that every military-age male should be killed. …”

    This article is quoted under the Fair Use Doctrine; for complete story and/or copyright info, see http://tinyurl.com/p4emq

  104. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 5:32 pm

    79

    “Roger, I finally figured out how and what Tiny URL is. When I grow up, I want to be smart bunny just like you.” Commentby My Left Foot— 9/2/06@ 4:41 pm

    I don’t know nuthin about puters. dj told me about TinyURL at Drinking Liberally. (The last time I went to DL, I showed my cancelled check to http://www.operation-helmet.org/ to dj and Goldy so I would have witnesses, in case some lying trollfuck claimed I didn’t donate $99 to Operation Helmet.*)

    * Roger Rabbit, unlike posturing wingnuts, supports our troops with more than hot air.

  105. howcanyoubePROUDtobeanASS spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 5:34 pm

    Ah more scurilous projecting from the Canadina elite… but notice no denial of my assertion?

    On the contrary, sweetcheeks, I am very happy, very cheerful, very optimistic about my life and the direction of my party and my country. I see no need to wish ill of those with whom I disagree, nor a reason to suggest aberrant sexual behavior when as a mode of striking out in anger.

    Gosh, I wonder which group does that?

  106. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 5:39 pm

    79

    Hey, how about this — here’s what the flyer mailed by the Feeney campaign said Feeney’s position on Iraq is:

    “Steadily redeploy our troops to safe areas and have Iraqi security forces and police take over”

    Man, that sure sounds like the Vietnam-era “enclave” and “Vietnamization” approach — which is a fancy way of saying “trying to get out without getting your ass shot off at the helicopter pad”!

  107. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 5:40 pm

    Oops, forgot the link to the Feeney flyer — here ya go, wingnuts: http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c.....ney-flier/

  108. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 5:46 pm

    So Feeney is a cut-and-run Republican, eh? When Bush finds him out, a couple of military bases will disappear from Feeney’s district.

  109. My Left Foot spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 6:23 pm

    99:

    Proudassdumbfuckingheadinthesandmoronicbitch:

    All we have? Isn’t that enough?

    Thank you for making the case for all of America as to just exactly what is wrong and why we need to change the course of America. Read your post and then tell me why with all that failure, we should not throw these assholes out.

  110. My Left Foot spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 6:38 pm

    I am doing flips here. This bitch thinks I am a traitor for wanting to change abject failure. For wanting lower gas prices, a plan for Iraq, a stable stock market and better ( read: any) response to national disasters, especially the kind that can wipe an entire city off the map.

    Yes, Proudofyourfatfuckingass, I am proud to stand and say that I WANT A BETTER AMERICA. I want a country held together by the constitution. A leadership commited to protecting that constitution, not destroying it. A country where I can dissent without being called a fascist traitor. A country where our resources are used to benefit all Americans and not just the wealthy, power elite. A country that is respected around the world and not reviled. A country with laws based on fairness and equality, not religious belief or Christian morals.

    Where am I wrong? Where is my thinking flawed?

    The flawed thinking is rooted in the Christian Right. The flawed thinking is rooted in the Republican ego, an ego that thirsts for only power, glory and personal gain.

    To Quote Roger Rabbit: ……you pathetic unpatriotic America-hating dick-sucking animal-fucking brain-atrophied sociopathic moron. (reprinted here under the Fair Use Doctrine, blah, blah, blah)

  111. Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 7:16 pm

    “For wanting lower gas prices” {That evil George Bush!]

    Commentby My Left Foot[………………No war for oil!!! No nukes! No drilling!! No new refinerers! No tankers in US harbors! Add another 50 cent a gallon Federal tax on gallon!! Tax oil companies even more!! No drilling in the Gulf or off California!! Oh, and I I want lower gas prices!!! Carl Grossman, the Classic “Progressive” Democrat economic idiot!!!]

  112. Jim King spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 7:18 pm

    @75 As I read your post, it was a Republican Club meeting, not a public meeting. So where do you get all this dander over a group of Republicans not wanting democrats sitting in on their meeting?

    And Roger Rabbit- as much as I was appalled by the attempt to reinstate tip slavery, the vast majority of blue states continue to be tip slavery states. Your ire at cheap labor will ring truer when the Democrats address the issue in the many states in which they have full control of the Legislature.

  113. Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 7:58 pm

    CAIRO, Egypt – An American thought to be an al-Qaida activist appeared in a videotape with the terror group’s deputy leader Saturday and called on his countrymen to convert to Islam and for U.S. soldiers to switch sides in the Iraq and Afghan wars. […..Will the Grossmans be “converting” to Islam? Only time will tell!]

  114. My Left Foot spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 8:13 pm

    111:

    Lemme see here. I mention lower gas prices and JCH goe on a rant about drilling and tankers and taxing oil companies.

    JCHerman has a convienent way of compartmentalizing issues and sentences. I said nothing about the issues he raised. He again went off on his scare tactic Republican talking point. He did not address the central issue…..that Republicans have failed in their attempt to run the government.

    The war in Iraq is a total clusterfuck. The price of gas is through the roof. The stock market is rocky at best. This country is viewed as a pariah around the world. We have to worry about who is listening to our conversations. The vast resources of this country are not being used to benefit THIS COUNTRY. If a tidal wave hits Hawaii tomorrow, I hope John Craig can tread water…..for a week.

    Again, this is nothing to do with oil reserves or drilling or any conservation issue. The administration has failed across the board in running this country. Soldiers are dying with no end, or end plan, in sight. The president is still harping on terrorism. I am a traitor if I disagree with him.

    For the record, Keith Olbermann spoke for most, the majority of, the biggest part, more than not (so small minds understand) of the American public this week and I agree 100% with him.

    My freedom of speech is being attacked. My right to use a phone without being spied on is under attack. What is next…checkpoints between cities so they can inspect my documents?

    No thank you. It is time for change. It is time for a government that is responsive to the publics will.

    After all, it is OUR government.

  115. Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 8:34 pm

    “Thank you for the thoughtful, considered response.” Commentby Another TJ— 9/2/06@ 11:20 am Was my response thoughtful and considered? I apologize; I didn’t mean it to be. My intention was to call you an idiot, a dumbass, and a liar – because you are all three. In addition, go fuck your mother. Am I making myself clear yet? Commentby Roger Rabbit— 9/2/06@ 3:54 pm

    I love it when moonbats attack each other. It’s an AMAZING sight. Now if ATJ (Furball dismissed with PREJUDICE) and ATJ (kicked the Furpiece nicely) would turn the collective hatred on LeftHisTurdLostHisBrain, the circle would be complete.

  116. Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 8:41 pm

    Don’t worry, you won’t have that problem with me, you pathetic unpatriotic America-hating dick-sucking animal-fucking brain-atrophied sociopathic moron. Commentby Roger Rabbit— 9/2/06@ 5:04 pm

    Wait a minute… … … this just in… … … Furball is the only aminal fucking “indivisual on AssesHorse! Furball must be looking at his reflection while writing that entry.

  117. Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 8:47 pm

    typo individual not indivisual!

  118. My Left Foot spews:

    Saturday, 9/2/06 at 10:15 pm

    MWS @ 118

    Perhaps if MWS wasn’t so busy sucking John Craigs dick (dickette) he might actually post something intelligent. I have tried today to post some thoughtful words, designed to promote debate, but the WingFuckNuts on here just keep attacking personalities. They never attack the issues. Oh well.

  119. Another TJ spews:

    Sunday, 9/3/06 at 1:49 am

    Was my response thoughtful and considered? I apologize; I didn’t mean it to be. My intention was to call you an idiot, a dumbass, and a liar – because you are all three. In addition, go fuck your mother. Am I making myself clear yet?

    Well, somebody rolled out of the wrong side of the hutch. Either you need a hug, or you’re dealing with some serious issues.

    Either way, get help; the gnomes know, you need it.

  120. Puddybud Ray Nagin Kennedy spews:

    Sunday, 9/3/06 at 7:38 am

    MWS @ 118 Perhaps if MWS wasn’t so busy sucking John Craigs dick (dickette) he might actually post something intelligent. I have tried today to post some thoughtful words, designed to promote debate, but the WingFuckNuts on here just keep attacking personalities. They never attack the issues. Oh well. Commentby My Left Foot— 9/2/06@ 10:15 pm

    Wow TwoFeetLeftofMoonbatLand is providing us with his full mental powers with the above post. Everything “Carl” posts is Bullshittium!!! I view “Carl” attacking his own post. How quaint! “Carl” I have stated many times here I am happily married. If you need someone to fulfill your fantasies, I’m sure Left Turdball and Pelletizer will make your day.

    So “Carl”:
    1) do you get out of bed with this nasty attitude or
    2) is the wife in menopause or
    3) are you having problems finding your mother in all the Seattle whore and crack houses?

    To set the record straight, I have to travel to San Diego to view mom’s grave site. All you have to do “Carl”, is drive up and down MLK or Rainier and guess which tenement your mom occupies lying in the missionary position for her $20 “fee”. You are a “fruit” that didn’t fall too far from the tree. So “Carl” what did your daddy do? Pimp? Push? Read Tea Leaves? What a sucka!!!

    I can see the new public service commercial now. Goldie’s face occupies the frame and asks: “”Carl Grossman”, do you know where your parents are?”

  121. Puddybud Ray Nagin Kennedy spews:

    Sunday, 9/3/06 at 7:44 am

    This is not Al-Qaeda’s #2: It’s “Carl Grossman”.

    http://articles.news.aol.com/n.....0000000001

    Look at the beady non-focused eyes.

  122. Puddybud Ray Nagin Kennedy spews:

    Sunday, 9/3/06 at 7:51 am

    How do we know a librul is lying: Airbrushing!

    http://news.aol.com/entertainm.....3109990001

    Then they do a mea culpa “I didn’t know this happened”

  123. Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    Sunday, 9/3/06 at 8:02 am

    ATJ: Good for you; dismiss him with prejudice. Furball is a prime time idiot and needs his comeuppance. He ignores the number of cheap labor moonbats in blue states. He “claims” to be against for NAFTA and CAFTA but ignores Maria Moonbat’s support for it. Why are donks such mind numbed robots what frog march into the voting booth and vote (D) for donk? It’s because they can’t think for themselves!

    Time to URL over to Kos and Media Morons to see what Goldie’s national talking points are today.

  124. Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    Sunday, 9/3/06 at 8:04 am

    erratum … robots what frog march … should be: robots that frog march

    Have to get my Seattle’s best Java brewed!

  125. Puddybud Ray Nagin Kennedy spews:

    Sunday, 9/3/06 at 8:10 am

    “Carl” in action: http://parenting.aol.com/parenting/onlyonaol/

    If picture is missing find “Carl” here: http://img.timeinc.net/parenti.....ng_alt.jpg

  126. Puddybud Ray Nagin Kennedy spews:

    Sunday, 9/3/06 at 8:30 am

    Original AOL Content: “Anyone who’s taken a toddler anywhere knows that mortification waits around every corner. Meltdowns generally start around 18 months. Things to keep in mind:
    Try to preempt common tantrum triggers (fatigue, hunger, boredom, frustration) by doing errands in the morning or after naptime, and bringing snacks and an unfamiliar toy.
    If prevention fails, ignore the tantrum. Pretend the screaming doesn’t upset, impress, or affect you, and he’ll realize there’s little point in continuing.
    If all else fails, get out of there! Leave the grocery cart, grab your child, and head for your car. His meltdown may simply be a plea for a hug or some undivided attention, so give him both when he’s calmed down.”

    Modified content to add “Carl” to the picture:

    Anyone who’s taken “Carl” anywhere knows that “Carl” will blow a gasket when he gets picked on. “Carl’s” meltdowns started around 18 months. Momma forgot to change his diaper between tricks and he double crapped his diaper. The other whorehose children laughed at “Carl”. From this incident he developed his Napoleonic “complex”. His diaper rash was so bad he couldn’t sit for weeks. Unfortunately for all of us, “Carl’s” tantrums continue in September 2006. These are viewed by the NorthWest Division of Lunatic Moonbats as words of a savior.

    Things to keep in mind Mrs. “Grossman”: Try to preempt common tantrum triggers (fatigue, hunger, boredom, frustration, ED, bi-polarism, schizophrenia) by doing errands in the morning or after “Carl’s” naptime, and bringing snacks and an unfamiliar toy; a different pose of Howard Dean in a new frame. Don’t let “Carl” play with himself.

    If prevention fails, ignore “Carl’s” tantrum. Pretend his screaming doesn’t upset, impress, or affect you, and “Carl” should realize there’s little point in continuing. Let “Carl” blog on HorsesAss. It will relieve him of his need to ejaculate and stop him from mentally undressing you. If all else fails, swat him on his ass, look at the people staring at you and say “What? Corporal punishment does a moonbat good”!

    If you have to leave the grocery cart, grab “Carl”, and head for your nearest Planned Parenthood Center. Run in and tell them he should have been aborted, his crack whore mother should have practiced donkoinfanticide! Leave “Carl” at the nearest mental institution and visit JCH in Paloa, Hawaii. “Carl’s” meltdown may simply be a plea for a hug (give him an infected Furball such as one from the English litter that killed that poor British dude) or some undivided attention (play with his little willie), or do both when he’s calmed down. Don’t forget to allow him extra time on HorsesAss when he calms down to give you a break.

  127. Puddybud Ray Nagin Kennedy spews:

    Sunday, 9/3/06 at 8:32 am

    MWS I used your Furball because Pelletizer didn’t work there with the Englishman’s death around infected furry rabbits.

  128. Puddybud Ray Nagin Kennedy spews:

    Sunday, 9/3/06 at 8:39 am

    Can you imagine if moonbats were in power in England how this story would read differently:

    http://articles.news.aol.com/n.....0000000001

  129. Puddybud Ray Nagin Kennedy spews:

    Sunday, 9/3/06 at 8:41 am

    Mrs “Grossman”: Looks like the Internet peeps knew “Carl” was in need so post 119 is for you. I bet Pelletizer’s Party Pact placed that add here.

  130. Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:

    Sunday, 9/3/06 at 9:14 am

    Morning Carl!! It looks like Pud Kennedy has taken you to the cleaners!! Perhaps you could inquire if an ACLU lawyer could sue all of us for making fun of you!!! That would be the liberal Democrat way!!

  131. Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:

    Sunday, 9/3/06 at 9:15 am

    “Size doesn’t matter!!” [Carl Grossman]

  132. Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:

    Sunday, 9/3/06 at 9:22 am

    Jch @ 62

    Mr. Hate is at it again. Now we are going to ignore a man because of his middle name. That is perfectly logical reasoning. Hussein. Wow.

    JCH is a poor example of a human being. He must have grown up in a lily with neighborhood as the short, skinny, pimply faced nerd (he remains the same today) who was scared of everything not like him. Sad. Very sad.

    He is a liar, a bigot, a cheater, a whore for the conservative faction. He is unable to accept change or differences. He find it necessary to lie about his standing to build his falsely inflated ego.

    How sad.

    Commentby My Left Foot— 9/2/06@ 10:59 pm

    Lily white, sorry for typo

    Commentby My Left Foot […………………………………………………………………………..Good morning, Carl. Another “I’ve got a headache” night? Hey, You married the “JAP”, not me!! She’s shopping again with “Jerome” at the Embassy Suites, isn’t she? Well, Carl, watch some football, or get rid of the bitch!!!!]

  133. Leftout(of their minds!) spews:

    Sunday, 9/3/06 at 10:23 am

    I watched Meet the Press this AM with Russert moderating between Casey & Santorum. Russert had a nearly impossible task of getting Casey to say precisely what he would do differently in Iraq. The only substantive thing Casey could come up with is he would insist on more Special Ops troops on the ground.

    And when it came to fiscal responsibility, Casey would not identify one single program he would cut. All he could come up with is more taxes for Rich People and Dead People. I think this pretty much sums up why the Democrats will not fare as well this November as they think they will. Nothing substantive.

  134. My Left Foot spews:

    Sunday, 9/3/06 at 10:36 am

    Pussypud and John Craig can’t stop. I am all they think about. It is over for them. They think about me all the time. Proof is right here. They get up, hit the computer and “make fun” of me. I am sooooo hurt. Here is some advice I got a long time ago and I want to share it with everyone.

    EVERYONE LIES ON THE INTERNET, EVERYONE IS BRAVE ON THE INTERNET. DON’T BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU READ ON THE INTERNET THAT IS POSTED, IM’ED OR EMAILED TO YOU.

    Also, anyone notice that I don’t speak directly to pussyboy, John Craig or MarktheRedNekkedAsshole?

  135. Puddybud Big Weiner Kennedy spews:

    Sunday, 9/3/06 at 10:38 am

    Commentby Leftout(of their minds!)— 9/3/06@ 10:23 am

    Donk cut programs? There isn’t a program donk want cut. They like spending other people’s money. It’s the monbattocratic way! After today Casey will drop like a rock. Psssssssssseeeeeerrrrrsssssss (rock dropping into the empty deep well).

    If the moonbat succeeded in acquiring the House, they would all of a sudden say the spending habits of the Republicans DID NOT GO FAR ENOUGH. We NEEEEEEEEEEEED MO of YO MONEY!

    Long ago I said (blog Google moonbats) after September the Repubs should place a nationwide buy of Nancy Pelosi’s face and use it as a backdrop of why moonbats can’t have control ever again. San Francisco politics in WA, DC. Sacre Bleu! Once people see the real moonbat, the brooms will come out to sweep the Bullshittium away.

    I looked up the mccranium blog site. Wow they’re worse than the moonbats here on ASSHeads! They should bring out the mccranium May 2006 Merry Fitzmas “indictment” Bullshittium for another commercial.

  136. Puddybud Big Weiner Kennedy spews:

    Sunday, 9/3/06 at 10:44 am

    “Carl”, if you knew about me you’d know Pussypud is not the correct name. But you need something to stroke the little willie so keep on trucking little man! I hope you find your path with them leeft feets.

    BTW how do we know “Carl Grossman” is your real name? It could be a psuedonym or a nom de plume (nom de blog?). Your Bullshittium is stratospheric. Me, I’m a standup guy. I went to meet GBS. I’ll do it again. But you “Carl”, why would I need to meet you? Your incoherent rants bring nothing to the debate table and the your arguments lack specificity!

  137. Puddybud Big Weiner Nagin spews:

    Sunday, 9/3/06 at 10:46 am

    Today I officially changed from a Kennedy to a Nagin. It’s only natural to support your own kind!

  138. Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:

    Sunday, 9/3/06 at 11:03 am

    Pud, You will always be an honorary Kennedy HA.ORG brother! Best regards, JCH Kennedy

  139. My Left Foot spews:

    Sunday, 9/3/06 at 11:47 am

    137

    So, I am supposed to be impressed that Puddly met someone. Good for him. He has a friend. As Keith Olbermannis to Bill O’Reilly, I am to Puddly, J Craig and MarktheRedNekkidAsshole. I am perfectly capable of cogent opinion. It is necessary in this war of ideals and direction to fight fire with fire. For too long Wingnuts have shouted down the opposition, No more.

    You scream and hurl epithets in an effort to confuse and distract from the real issues. Here are some examples for you: Activist judges (SCOTUS of course is not an activist court, it was rightly appointed by Wingnuts), Aid and Comfort to the Enemy (used to “prove” that liberals would somehow sell out America’s security), Islamofascism (not an accurate term, but it sounds bad so the WingNuts scream it every chance they get).

    This is not going to work anymore. It is time for Liberals and Democrats to fight fire with fire. No longer will bluster be an acceptable substitute for substance and position.

    Have a nice 30 days. The run ends in November.

  140. Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:

    Sunday, 9/3/06 at 11:53 am

    Have a nice 30 days. The run ends in November.

    Commentby My Left Foot [……………………………………………………………………..Carl, Would that be NOV 200, NOV 2002, NOV 2004, or NOV 2006? BTW, does Mrs. Grossman look like “JAP” Nancy “Nip/Tuck” Pelosi?]

  141. Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:

    Sunday, 9/3/06 at 12:53 pm

    Have a nice 30 days. The run ends in November.

    Commentby My Left Foot [……………………………………………………………………..Carl, Would that be NOV 2000, NOV 2002, NOV 2004, or NOV 2006? BTW, does Mrs. Grossman look like “JAP” Nancy “Nip/Tuck” Pelosi? Perhaps she looks like Democrat Helen Thomas?]

  142. Living in the 8th spews:

    Sunday, 9/3/06 at 2:22 pm

    If this were Clinton, you’d all be enraged at the “hate-filled” movie. It’s wrong, and don’t fall into the trap of celebrating it.

  143. Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:

    Sunday, 9/3/06 at 3:57 pm

    143, Does Clinton get to rape Paula Jones again before he gets shot?

  144. Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:

    Sunday, 9/3/06 at 4:00 pm

    As Keith Olbermannis to Bill O’Reilly, I am to Puddly, J Craig and MarktheRedNekkidAsshole.

    Commentby My Left Foot [……………………………………………Keith’s ratings are a small fraction compared to Bill O’Reilly’s. I might agree with you here, Carl.]

  145. Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:

    Sunday, 9/3/06 at 4:05 pm

    Palestinian militants who held two Fox News journalists hostage for nearly two weeks threatened in a statement posted online Saturday to abduct non-Muslims visiting the Palestinian territories and kill them unless their demands were met.
    The statement, posted in the name of the Holy Jihad Brigades on a website frequently used by militants, said the group would kill any hostages it takes unless they converted to Islam, paid a ransom or Muslim prisoners were exchanged for their release.

    “Any infidel blood will have no sanctity,” the group said in the statement. […………OK, pick any 10 muuuuuuslim cities, and “Arc Light strike” them. Go for the civilians. Perhaps this might give the ragheads a clue to quit fucking with Americans. If they continue, nuke Mecca, Thehran, and a dozen other raghead cities. Soon, the Muuuuuuuuslims will “see the light”. [Get it? A little nuke humor there!]

  146. jaybo spews:

    Sunday, 9/3/06 at 4:17 pm

    Goldy,

    You never have told all of us if you support the nation of Israel and its right to exist. We would like to know once and for all where you stand as a secular Jew on this important issue.

    I guess the real question is whether you have the courage to tell us the truth.

    HOPING ISRAEL CAN BE DEFEATED
    By URIEL HEILMAN

    September 3, 2006 — AMMAN, JORDAN
    ISRAEL’S war with Hezbollah in Lebanon has aroused not just great anger in the Arab world, but also great hope – hope that Israel can be defeated.
    “We had given up on the military option. We believed this belonged to history,” Hani Hourani, director general of the Al-Urdun Al-Jadid (“New Jordan”) Research Center, told me the other day in his office. “By taking the initiative, Hezbollah created a new way of thinking about the whole conflict in the region: Israel is not that invincible. It could be beaten. It could be harmed.”
    “Even people like me, the moderate people, who never liked or supported Hezbollah, we began to think twice about how we were wrong,” Hourani said. “Hezbollah, even if we don’t agree with its ideology, was suggesting a different option to the Arab people.”
    Renewed optimism about confronting Israel by force of arms isn’t limited to the anti-Western masses. It’s growing among the Arab world’s moderates, who share the view that Israel is a colonialist and Western imposition on the region.
    “This month-long war changed an entire generation,” Samir Barhoum, editor of the Jordan Times, an English-language daily, told me. “Hezbollah is a legitimate resistance group fighting occupation.”
    Why are Arabs with business and political ties to the West, and even to Israel, jumping on the Hezbollah bandwagon? Because their moderation derives not so much from an acceptance of the Jews’ historical right to a homeland in the Middle East, but from the Arabs’ repeated inability to defeat Israel – shown in a series of crushing defeats like the 1967 Six-Day War, when Israel held off invading Arab armies and captured the Golan Heights from Syria, the West Bank from Jordan and Gaza and the Sinai from Egypt.
    Such wars led states like Egypt and Jordan to conclude that they could not defeat Israel, and they signed peace treaties with the Jewish state. “I think the ’67 [war] laid the groundwork for a major shift in our thinking,” said Mustafa Hamarneh, director of the Center for Strategic Studies at the University of Jordan.
    But if Israel can be beaten, then the whole equation changes. In our meeting not long after the Lebanon ceasefire, Hamarneh talked of how the Israelis behaved like Nazis in Lebanon, how Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert represents “the other side of Osama bin Laden” and how the Jews “stole the land” from the Arabs in 1948, when Israel was founded.
    Moderation may be giving way to the hope that the clock in the Middle East can be turned back not just to 1967 – before Israel controlled the Golan Heights and West Bank – but to 1948, when Israel did not exist.
    “The Arabs want the 1967 border for the moment – listen to me: for the moment,” said Abdel Mahdi Al- Soudi, a sociology professor at the University of Jordan. “This will change.” The Arabs may sign peace treaties, Al-Soudi said, but “nobody will sign on to end the conflict. Nobody will sign something saying Israel will be Israel forever.”
    After my meeting with al-Soudi on campus, I ran into a group of Arab students eager to share their views on the Jewish state. “Israel is not justified. It is something put in the whole Arab world to serve the colonial powers,” explained one, Omar al-Hinfi. His solution is to dismantle Israel and give its land to the Palestinians, sending the Jews “back” to Poland and Germany.
    “Israel is a cancer in the region,” chimed in S. Samara, a Palestinian from the West Bank.
    It is this lack of acceptance of Israel, not Israeli actions or its disputes with the Palestinians, that perpetuates this endless conflict. Until the Arab world accepts Israel’s place on this small strip of land, this conflict will not end.

    Uriel Heilman is a Jerusalem correspondent for JTA News Service.

  147. Puddybud Big Weiner Nagin spews:

    Sunday, 9/3/06 at 8:44 pm

    Jaybo: You are asking Goldie to become neo-con. He can’t do dat. His rep is more important than heritage support. Moonbats are anti-neo-con, the opposite of us who support Israel.

    NUFF SAID!

  148. xenophon spews:

    Sunday, 9/10/06 at 9:41 am

    Its extremely bad judgement to make a movie about the assasination of George Bush, if it should encourage some nut case, (they’re always nut cases aren’t they…well…aren’t they?) to shoot him, or even attempt it then the neo-cons will have a martyr, and instead of being finally thrown onto the trash heap of history, they will be legitimized by a new myth of tragedy, and unrealized potential, “Georgy Boy we hardly knew ye”.

    Then we’ll never be rid of him. How many times has the average American seen President Kennedy murdered? How many times has the average American seen President Reagan shot? Thousands, and thousands, and thousands.

    When he finally goes, lets make sure he goes once and for all.

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