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by Goldy — Tuesday, 8/22/06, 6:36 pm

Gov. Christine Gregoire’s positive approval ratings hold steady for the second straight month, and Markos is impressed:

Christine Gregoire (D) of Washington continues to impress at 51/45. She began her controversial tenure at 34/58, but she is steadily establishing herself as an effective governor and the people of her state are coming around.

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  1. Mark1 spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 6:38 pm

    Shows you how screwed up polls can be………

  2. Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 6:44 pm

    Carl, Mrs. Grossman is here. Would you like her to get up off her knees and say hello?

  3. Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 6:48 pm

    LOS ANGELES — About 1,600 unionized city workers, including some from police crime labs, water treatment plants and LAX, walked off the job Tuesday, picketing for higher wages and an end to a long-running labor dispute.

    The average EAA member would make about $74,500 per year under the contract the city imposed last week, and the highest paid would make more than $125,000 annually, Villaraigosa has said. [……………………………………………As Democrats take control, the tax base leaves. 75 K to 125K is not enough for “guvment” employees? hell, pay them a million!! Atlas will Shrug, and the libs will need to tax each other.]

  4. Mark The Redneck spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 7:03 pm

    DAY ONE: WHERE’S GOLDY ???????????????????

    Tim Eyman came out today in opposition to the property tax that never ends. Will Goldy open up his wallet to the greed of Seattle gummint, or get on Tim’s team to oppose the largest tax hike in Seattle’s history?

  5. Jim King spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 7:19 pm

    So what is the Mukilteo moneygrubber’s interest in Seattle? Oh, yes- another chance to get money. The con that never, ever ends…

    Let Seattle voters deal with Seattle government- it ain’t Timmy’s business. Maybe he can team up with Dennis Falk…

  6. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 7:39 pm

    1

    Nothing wrong with polls; but wingnuts all screwed up.

  7. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 7:40 pm

    JCH’s idea of sex is riding the free tourist bus to the beach and hiding in the bushes with binoculars.

  8. Mark The Redneck spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 7:41 pm

    King The Tax Evader – He has supporters in seattle who are SAFT of seattle gummint greed. Do you think they should not have a voice?

    Do you live in The Feminist Utopia of Seattle? If so, what’s your position? Side with Tim or open up your wallet?

  9. Mark The Redneck spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 7:42 pm

    Hey Rabbit – Do you side with Eyman against the propety tax with no end or are you gonna open up your wallet? Since you spend 1/3 of your meager income on medical can you afford it?

    Or do you think somebody else should pay your share?

  10. Mark The Redneck spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 7:45 pm

    Included in my many talents and gifts is the ability to speak foreign languages. I can translate moonbat into english.

    Def: “Fair Tax” Translation: A tax the other guy has to pay.

    So maybe losers in 50s vintage Green Lake ramblers with the Valiant parked out in the street would make the case that those “rich folk” in Magnolia or Queen Ann should pay the property tax. But since the greenlakeramblervaliantinthestreet losers are already oppressed, why should they be forced to pay?

  11. Dan -Whats the frequency-Ken spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 7:57 pm

    So we never ever forget:

    Exclusive.

    Was the Jew killer a conservative or liberal. In the Seattle Times we have the following quote:

    Haq’s friend said he couldn’t believe the timid, “geeky” man he knew from the tutoring center was capable of such violence.

    “Are you sure we’re talking about the same person?” he said Sunday………….

    He said Haq was not a devout Muslim and often complained that the Tri-Cities were too politically conservative.

    “I’m beginning to think I was his only friend in the Tri-Cities. I don’t recall him hanging out with anybody else.”

    Now for the other side we turn to Darryl’s story on HA July 30, 2006:

    Psssssssssstttttttt…….

    Ah it looks like the story was all a bunch of hot air. Well there you have it. Enjoy all you Nazi Libs.

  12. Reality Check spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 8:07 pm

    Heard a guy today talking about his observations as the first American social scientist to see first-hand China’s one-child policy at work. He saw women in villages who were 7 and 8 months pregnant dragged off and ‘arrested’ for the crime of being pregnant. Their wombs were injected with poison to kill the baby and induce the labor.
    Sometimes the baby wasn’t killed and they would go in and cut her open a pull the baby out (yes, that’s a forced C-section) and kill him/her on the spot.
    Let no one say that Communist China is anyting but a deep, dark evil.

  13. Reality Check spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 8:11 pm

    He also said Chinese officials brag that they have “prevented” over 400 million births through their bullying tactics. Young chinese men cannot find brides, due to the mass female infanticide across the country. They are having to go abroad to find wives, and these young men get called “Little Emperors” because they have been over-doted on by parents and grandparents as the only ‘permitted’ child, so they are apparently making horrible, self-centered husbands and many women are avoiding them.
    So many troubles coming out of such evil policies in Communist China.

  14. Dan -Whats the frequency-Ken spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 8:12 pm

    Sometimes the baby wasn’t killed and they would go in and cut her open a pull the baby out (yes, that’s a forced C-section) and kill him/her on the spot.
    Let no one say that Communist China is anyting but a deep, dark evil.

    Commentby Reality Check— 8/22/06@ 8:07 pm

    Yes China is an example of liberalism perfected.

  15. Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 8:32 pm

    I wonder where the NOW [National Organization of Gals] stands on this? Commie China is a “progressive” Hillary Village. This could be a tough one for the left wing “progressives”.

  16. My Left Foot spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 8:39 pm

    John Craig Herman of Pahoa, HI @ 2:

    Lemme see….. you claim to live in Pahoa, HI. Not exactly a ferry ride across the sound. My wife, looking at the time of your post, is somewhere between the kitchen and the family room, right here in the beautiful Seattle area.

    The woman on her knees is the crack whore that you tried to talk down from her price of $20 to your offer of $5 because she is merely a user and you are the producer. She pointed out that you were one ugly SOB and raised her price to $40. Whereupon, realizing she was correct, you caved. Those craigslist.org personal erotic services ads work pretty well, eh!

    Now you are playing with a professional here. Go away and come back when you have outgrown the acne and fantasizing about sex with your mother.

    Carl Grossman
    Liberal, Democrat and in control.

  17. My Left Foot spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 8:46 pm

    Mark the Red Nekkid Asshole @ 10 states that he believes he has talents and gifts.

    First time I ever heard anyone refer to ignorance and stupidity using those terms. Wingnuts. (shaking head)

    Carl Grossman
    Liberal, Democrat and never ceasing to be amazed at how easy of a target Wingnuts make of themselves. Fish in a barrel.

  18. Reality Check spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 8:49 pm

    Dan, yes, liberalism/communism inevitably leads to death of the most innocent.
    Now they are facing the problem of a heavily aging population of what they call “Non-productive eaters”. I can’t help but wonder if we won’t see forced “elder-cide” by the chinese govt. Think it can’t happen?

  19. George Allen [R - NoMacacas] spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 8:52 pm

    Dan my greatest supporter!!!

    Now for the other side we turn to Darryl’s story on HA July 30, 2006:

    I don’t understand Dan. I thought it was Goldy’s story.

    No matter. As your future Dear Leader I request you write a comment about the most severe threat to the real world of both Virginia and of course the entire nation – the Macacas.

    And give me $$$$$ too. Campaigning is expensive. I have every confidence you will comply with my request Dan. After all I will be your future Dear Leader and you are my greatest supporter.

  20. Living in the 8th spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 8:53 pm

    So are they dumping Hillary like they dumped Lieberman?

  21. K spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 8:54 pm

    Check- you equating liberalism with communism does not make it so. It just makes your own false arguements easier

  22. For the Clueless spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 8:55 pm

    liberalism/communism inevitably leads to death of the most innocent

    … thought “Reality” Check as she nodded at the greeter at Wal-Mart.

  23. Thomas Trainwinder spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 8:58 pm

    McGavick better start acting civily — unlike his first ads wich go 100% against his campaign promise of civility.

  24. Mark The Redneck spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 9:14 pm

    Holy shit guys… you better hope Debby turns into a Cat5 hurricane so a few people can die.

    http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/r.....0225.shtml

    To quote your gawd Algore “…Now, the scientific community is warning us that the average hurricane will continue to get stronger because of global warming.” http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0912-32.htm

    Here we are well into the hurricane season and there hasn’t been one yet. Certainly if Algore were right, then we would have had 6 to 8 by now, and Nawlins would be under water again.

    Hey… maybe we should “listen to the hurricanes”. Maybe they’re telling us global warming is bullshit. Ya think?

  25. Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 9:27 pm

    JCH’s idea of sex is riding the free tourist bus to the beach and hiding in the bushes with binoculars. Commentby Roger Rabbit— 8/22/06@ 7:40 pm

    And I thought your’s was imaginary sex with animals!

  26. Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 9:29 pm

    He also said Chinese officials brag that they have “prevented” over 400 million births through their bullying tactics. Young chinese men cannot find brides, due to the mass female infanticide across the country. They are having to go abroad to find wives, and these young men get called “Little Emperors” because they have been over-doted on by parents and grandparents as the only ‘permitted’ child, so they are apparently making horrible, self-centered husbands and many women are avoiding them. So many troubles coming out of such evil policies in Communist China. Commentby Reality Check— 8/22/06@ 8:11 pm

    Dammit: I knew someone had the prescription for LeftHisTurdBehindLostHisBrain. Thanks for the Reality Check. Fucking little emperor spoiled rotten bastard.

  27. My Left Foot spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 9:30 pm

    Here is something interesting from the ABC News website, specifically, there political poll section.

    Much of the Republicans’ problems reflect President Bush’s in general, and the Iraq War in particular. By a 15-point margin, Americans are less likely rather than more likely to vote for a candidate who supports Bush’s policies in Iraq. That soars to a 44-point margin among liberals, underscoring Sen. Joseph Lieberman’s trouble in his Democratic primary tomorrow. But it also reaches more broadly: Moderates are 27 points more likely to oppose a candidate who favors Bush’s war policies; Independents, 25 points.

    Another result — a sharp ideology gap — marks the Republicans’ risk. While 83 percent of liberals support the Democrat in their congressional district, fewer conservatives, 60 percent, support the Republican. Indeed, three in 10 conservatives favor the Democrat in their district, substantially more than the 18 percent of liberals who voted Republican in 1994.

    Still, other results are less bleak for the Republicans. While Bush’s job approval rating remains weak, 40 percent, that’s its best since March, and it’s up seven points from its mid-May low. Approval of Congress, while just 36 percent, was much worse shortly before the 1994 election —

    I find the middle and the the last paragraph very telling. The last paragraph is correct. The outlook may very well be less bleak, but the point is it is still bleak.

    The second paragraph aptly points out the real strength in the polls numbers. I would bet that the Wingnuts saw similar numbers in the ’80s when they came to power in the great Newt coup.

    Food for thought.

    Carl Grossman
    Liberal, Democrat

  28. Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 9:32 pm

    Carl Grossman Liberal, Democrat and in control. Commentby My Left Foot— 8/22/06@ 8:39 pm

    Carl, to you the JCH comments are as abhorrent as the ones from LeftHisTurdBehindLostHisBrain’s fingers. If you call for the banning of LeftHisTurdBehindLostHisBrain, I can support the call for JCH!

    Are you MAN enough or does Felix have your cojones?

  29. Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 9:34 pm

    Check- you equating liberalism with communism does not make it so. It just makes your own false arguements easier Commentby K— 8/22/06@ 8:54 pm

    arguements – K

    arguements – rujerx

    Makes you wonder!

  30. Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 9:36 pm

    That soars to a 44-point margin among liberals, underscoring Sen. Joseph Lieberman’s trouble in his Democratic primary tomorrow. Carl Grossman Liberal, Democrat Commentby My Left Foot— 8/22/06@ 9:30 pm

    Carl, are you in a three week old time warp?

  31. Living in the 8th spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 9:41 pm

    Clueless, never mind that I don’t shop Walmart; what do you think of communist China’s one-child tactics?
    and K, many liberals defend communism. What of this report? How would you like to live under a governement that would do such a thing? The interviewee explained that the Govt. felt they had to do such things because they couldn’t admit that they couldn’t feed all those mouths in China.
    so this was their solution. What say you to it?

  32. Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 9:42 pm

    Now for some real news:

    http://www.unionleader.com/art.....85de0fd6c2

    I’d tiny the URL but furball needs some work.

  33. Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 9:47 pm

    I couldn’t wait any longer. Wonder why liberals didn’t write about this? http://www.opinionjournal.com/.....=110008831

    Looks like liberals are not having many kids and those getting pregnant are killing many of them. What did Puddy call it? Oh yes I remember; donkoinfanticide. Nasty word but true, right? Maybe in a few years no more LeftHisTurdBehindLostHisBrain types coming along!

  34. My Left Foot spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 9:48 pm

    MWS.

    I will support your call. I think that rudeness and hatefulness has no place here. That being said, Goldy has, to my knowledge, never banned anyone. I am tired of the childish rants and insults. I am resolving to stick to the issues. I wish those two would do the same.

    So I hereby accept your call for LeftTurn’s banishment and that of JCH.

    By the way, who is Felix? I am not really familiar with the characters around here other than you, FurBall (I just love Bunny Boy) and Tree Frog Farmer.

    Carl Grossman
    Liberal Democrat and attempting to take the high road.

  35. My Left Foot spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 9:51 pm

    MWS, see how I can manipulate the information to my liking? That was the whole point of the post. I found that and is is about 2 weeks old.

    Carl Grossman
    Liberal, Democrat and once in a while I can make a point.

  36. Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 9:53 pm

    Oh this is too sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet: Judge who rules against the wiretaps is a MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooonnnnnbat!!!

    http://www.judicialwatch.org/printer_5862.shtml

    “According to her 2003 and 2004 financial disclosure statements, Judge Diggs Taylor served as Secretary and Trustee for the Community Foundation for Southeastern Michigan (CFSEM). She was reelected to this position in June 2005. The official CFSEM website states that the foundation made a “recent grant” of $45,000 over two years to the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of Michigan, a plaintiff in the wiretapping case. Judge Diggs Taylor sided with the ACLU of Michigan in her recent decision.”

    Toooooooooooooooooo sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!

  37. Dan -Whats the frequency-Ken spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 9:55 pm

    Dan my greatest supporter!!!

    Now for the other side we turn to Darryl’s story on HA July 30, 2006:

    I don’t understand Dan. I thought it was Goldy’s story.

    Commentby George Allen [R – NoMacacas]— 8/22/06@ 8:52 pm

    Darryl,Goldy,The swimmer, Robert KKK Byrd. Different peas but the same pod.

  38. Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 9:56 pm

    Since most moonbats state crap and don’t post URLs, I post:

    http://www.judicialwatch.org/judges/4343.shtml

  39. Living in the 8th spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 9:56 pm

    Mike Webb Sucks……ssshhhhhhhhh……

  40. Dan -Whats the frequency-Ken spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 10:01 pm

    36

    I wonder if my old station See BS will carry that story? Nah, they only carry BS.

  41. Harry Tuttle spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 10:04 pm

    U.S. Rep. Charlie Norwood made no bones about it: He wanted to hear from people who shared his point of view on immigration.

    “What I wanted was witnesses who agree with me, not disagree with me,” Norwood said after presiding over an immigration hearing Tuesday in Gainesville.

    Alison Siskin, an immigration specialist with the Congressional Research Service, said studies have been unclear about whether illegal immigrants have had much impact on government health care.

    Norwood told Siskin he was “disappointed” in her testimony, and that he planned to complain to her superiors.

    JCH’s ideal Congressman is just another cracker

    Too bad for Charlie, but “Facts are stubborn things,” said John Adams, and some studies show that health care expenditures are substantially lower for immigrants than for US-born persons. This study refutes the assumption that immigrants represent a disproportionate financial burden on the US health care system.

    Norwood said he did’t learn anything new from the hearings.

    Typical dumb wingnut.

  42. Harry Tuttle spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 10:05 pm

    didn’t learn

  43. Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 10:07 pm

    Updated: 16:48, Monday August 21, 2006 Eleven suspects in the alleged UK airport terror plot have been charged. Police have also revealed that they found bomb-making equipment and martyrdom videos during their investigations.

    Rabbit Furball: didn’t you and others ask where are the indictments? Well nothing from your hero Goldie! Shut up again huh moonbats?

  44. Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 10:09 pm

    (21 August 2006) What a difference a year makes. After the record-breaking 2005 Atlantic hurricane season, the 2006 season is now below normal.

    As of yesterday (20 August) three tropical storms will have formed in the Atlantic in an “average” year, which is the same number that have formed this year so far. Because of multi-year averaging, that means that today (August 21) slightly more than three storms would have formed, making this year (statistically speaking) just below normal.

    In the hurricane category, this year is decidedly below normal, with no hurricanes so far, while by this date 1.5 hurricanes have formed in the average of years 1944 though 2005.

    Reason for the Season?: Cooler Sea Surface Temperatures
    Part of the reason for the slow season is that tropical western Atlantic sea surface temperatures (SSTs) are running about normal, if not slightly below normal (see graphic below, which shows SST departures from normal).

    In contrast, at the same time last year SSTs in the same region were running well above normal.

    The cooler SSTs in the Atlantic are not an isolated anomaly. In a research paper being published next month in Geophysical Research Letters, scientists will show that between 2003 and 2005, globally averaged temperatures in the upper ocean cooled rather dramatically, effectively erasing 20% of the warming that occurred over the previous 48 years.

    Global Warming?
    The slow hurricane season and the cooling sea surface temperatures might be somewhat surprising to the public. Media reports over the last year have suggested that, since global warming will only get worse, and last year’s hurricane activity was supposedly due to global warming, this season might well be as bad as last season. But it appears that Mother Nature might have other plans.

    The Rest of the Hurricane Season
    With only 3 named storms compared to 9 on this date last year, it is nearly impossible at this late date to have a season anywhere near as busy as last season, which totaled 27 by the end of the year. The most recent prediction from the National Weather Service (see first graphic, above) is for there to be 12 to 15 named storms by December — only half of last year’s total. It now looks like that prediction might be too generous.

    While it is still possible for this hurricane season to end up above normal in activity and reach that forecast, each day that passes without so much as a tropical ‘depression’ makes that target less and less likely.

    Strange development. Cooler water temperatures? I thought we were having global warming!

  45. Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 10:12 pm

    Living in the 8th: Why? Moonbats are morons. Libruls are loony. They need to see their moronic behaviour all over the fruited plain!

  46. Dan -Whats the frequency-Ken spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 10:25 pm

    Too bad for Charlie, but “Facts are stubborn things,” said John Adams, and some studies show that health care expenditures are substantially lower for immigrants than for US-born persons. This study refutes the assumption that immigrants represent a disproportionate financial burden on the US health care system.

    Norwood said he did’t learn anything new from the hearings.

    Commentby Harry Tuttle— 8/22/06@ 10:04 pm

    Harry- Does this study take into account illegal immigrants or does it just count legal immigrants? I am not being stubborn, I jsut want clarrification.

  47. LeftTurn spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 10:33 pm

    More BAAAAAAD news for the nazi cowards on the right. You’re gonna loooooose Montana too!
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14...../newsweek/

  48. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 10:34 pm

    Gregoire will win re-election in a walk! It’s inconceivable the GOP would run that slimy little slum lord who hangs out with felons against the most qualified gubernatorial candidate in our state’s history! Are they really that stupid?

  49. Dan -Whats the frequency-Ken spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 10:40 pm

    Nevermind Harry, I found it myself.

    However, MEPS expenditure
    data do not cover uncollected liabilities, negotiated
    discounts, bad debt, and free care associated
    with private providers.

    Harry have you ever thought of working for See BS? You have got what it takes. Courage Harry, courage.

  50. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 10:40 pm

    ROGER RABBIT POLL

    Is the GOP stupid enough to run a slimy slum lord with no management experience who hangs out with felons against Governor Gregoire in ’08?

    [ ] 1. Yes
    [ ] 2. Yes
    [ ] 3. Yes
    [ ] 4. All of the above.

  51. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 10:44 pm

    10, 17

    Let’s see if Reddick can translate this:

    Pay your gambling debt to Goldy, welsher!

  52. Dan -Whats the frequency-Ken spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 10:48 pm

    When a liberal points to a study you can count on it being a half truth, forgery or lie every time. Hey isnt that what lefty
    journalism school is all about.

  53. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 10:49 pm

    27

    Thing is, the Democrats don’t have the GOP’s propaganda machine. They’re not as organized or unified as Republicans. And they certainly don’t have the Republicans’ corporate power and money behind them.

    But the Democrats don’t need any of that … all they have to do is kick back, and watch the Republicans self-destruct. The GOP is doing all the work!

    The prison bus makes regular stops at Capitol Hill and the White House!

  54. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 10:49 pm

    29

    Communists are the ultimate conservatives.

  55. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 10:50 pm

    36

    Ain’t it just like a wingnut to think getting his ass kicked in court is “sweet.” Hey MWS bend over for more of that “Tookie love!”

  56. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 10:53 pm

    Not included in Reddick’s many talents and gifts is simple economics. Reddick alleges cutting taxes always increases revenue. Let’s check …

    2000 – $1,372,376,000,000 (baseline year)
    2001 – $1,297,063,000,000
    2002 – $1,152,413,000,000
    2003 – $1,069,364,000,000

    (Date from official sources)

    Nope, it doesn’t.

  57. Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 10:57 pm

    Sorry, Carl. Not playing tonight, as the “Def Leppard” Story [2 hours] was on TV. I enjoyed 3 of their live concerts, and tonight was “Rock On!” night. So, Carl, I’m glad Mrs. Grossmanstein is back in Seattle. Tell her to keep the moaning down while she is riding “Tookie”. JCH

  58. Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 11:00 pm

    Coffee could become more expensive after bean prices soared to a seven-year high yesterday. The price of robusta beans used to make instant coffee rose 3 per cent /break/ The price of robusta has risen by some 50 per cent in the past 12 months. There has also been a smaller increase in the cost of the milder and more aromatic arabica beans, due to a drought in Brazil. Arabica accounts for 65 per cent of global production [………100% Kona Gold coffee…….22 bucks a pound!!!! But, if you want the best……………….!!!!]

  59. americafirst spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 11:06 pm

    41,”Too bad for Charlie, but “Facts are stubborn things,” said John Adams, and some studies show that health care expenditures are substantially lower for immigrants than for US-born persons. This study refutes the assumption that immigrants represent a disproportionate financial burden on the US health care system.
    Norwood said he did’t learn anything new from the hearings.

    Typical dumb wingnut.”

    Commentby Harry Tuttle— 8/22/06@ 10:04 pm

    ———————————————————
    ——————————————————–
    The problem is illegal immigrants, not immigrants, you DS. One example; $300,000 for one premature birth anchor baby, a few grand for the other baby, plus $1000/month in welfare for the two anchor babies, not including regular healthcare expenses:

    © 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
    “Cristobal Silverio emigrated illegally from Mexico to Stockton, Calif., in 1997 to work as a fruit picker.

    He brought with him his wife, Felipa, and three children, 19, 12 and 8 – all illegals. When Felipa gave birth to her fourth child, daughter Flor, the family had what is referred to as an “anchor baby” – an American citizen by birth who provided the entire Silverio clan a ticket to remain in the U.S. permanently.

    But Flor was born premature, spent three months in the neonatal incubator and cost the San Joaquin Hospital more than $300,000. Meanwhile, oldest daughter Lourdes married an illegal alien gave birth to a daughter, too. Her name is Esmeralda. And Felipa had yet another child, Cristian.

    The two Silverio anchor babies generate $1,000 per month in public welfare funding for the family. Flor gets $600 a month for asthma. Healthy Cristian gets $400. While the Silverios earned $18,000 last year picking fruit, they picked up another $12,000 for their two “anchor babies.”

    While President Bush says the U.S. needs more “cheap labor” from south of the border to do jobs Americans aren’t willing to do, the case of the Silverios shows there are indeed uncalculated costs involved in the importation of such labor – public support and uninsured medical costs.

    In fact, the increasing number of illegal aliens coming into the United States is forcing the closure of hospitals, spreading previously vanquished diseases and threatening to destroy America’s prized health-care system, says a report in the spring issue of the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons.

    “The influx of illegal aliens has serious hidden medical consequences,” writes Madeleine Pelner Cosman, author of the report. “We judge reality primarily by what we see. But what we do not see can be more dangerous, more expensive, and more deadly than what is seen.”

    According to her study, 84 California hospitals are closing their doors as a direct result of the rising number of illegal aliens and their non-reimbursed tax on the system.

    “Anchor babies,” the author writes, “born to illegal aliens instantly qualify as citizens for welfare benefits and have caused enormous rises in Medicaid costs and stipends under Supplemental Security Income and Disability Income.”

    In addition, the report says, “many illegal aliens harbor fatal diseases that American medicine fought and vanquished long ago, such as drug-resistant tuberculosis, malaria, leprosy, plague, polio, dengue, and Chagas disease.”

    While politicians often mention there are 43 million without health insurance in this country, the report estimates that at least 25 percent of those are illegal immigrants. The figure could be as high as 50 percent.

    Not being insured does not mean they don’t get medical care.

    Under the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act of 1985, hospitals are obligated to treat the uninsured without reimbursement.”

    Source:
    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/n.....E_ID=43275
    The article has a link to the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons report.

  60. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 11:34 pm

    “Not being insured does not mean they don’t get medical care. Under the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act of 1985, hospitals are obligated to treat the uninsured without reimbursement.” Commentby americafirst— 8/22/06@ 11:06 pm

    How long have you been in favor of socialized medicine, FascistFuckwand?

    America has the highest per capita medical costs in the world, yet ranks only in the middle among developed countries in quality of care. Why? Because of the tremendous overhead in the grossly inefficient American private system. Administrative costs in private health care are 30 times what administrative overhead costs in the government-run Medicare program (measured as a percentage of total spending). And experts agree the best quality care in the U.S. is now delivered by the V.A. medical system, another government-run program. Privatized health care is a failure in the U.S.

  61. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 11:39 pm

    Approximately 17% of Americans have no health insurance, and face financial disaster in case of a serious injury or illness. It’s important to remember virtually all of these uninsured people are workers or temporarily unemployed. The truly poor, prison inmates, and elderly receive health care under government programs. It’s also important to remember these government-insured citizens constitute a large portion of the 83% who do have health coverage. As growing numbers of employers bail out of providing health benefits their workers, the traditional employment-based private health system is collapsing. In the future, the vast majority of Americans will either have to self-finance their health care, or rely on government programs. The private sector is not getting the job done.

  62. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 11:41 pm

    If immigrants work and pay taxes, why shouldn’t they get the government services they pay for?

  63. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Tuesday, 8/22/06 at 11:42 pm

    Bush isn’t serious about stopping illegal immigration. Why? Because illegals provide a huge pool of CHEAP LABOR to employers.

  64. Richard Pope spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 12:08 am

    How come no one has noticed the Alaska election results? Governor Frank Murkowski has been booted out of office, finishing in third place in the Republican primary with only 18.74% of the vote.

    http://elect.alaska.net/data/results.htm

    This makes Murkowski a lot more popular than Low Tax Looper, but not nearly as popular as Will Baker.

  65. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 12:16 am

    52

    How’s your junk science, junk diplomacy, and junk economics working out for you so far?

  66. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 12:23 am

    64

    I posted a couple days ago that Murkowski was polling 18%, which made him 4 times as big a vote-getter as Low Tax Looper, who got 4% of the vote against a write-in candidate.

    At comment #1, Mark1 remarked disparagingly about “screwed up polls.” However, the actual result clearly validates the pre-election polling in Alaska: Murkowski, as noted above, polled 18% and actually got 18.74% of the vote.

    Much as Mark1 would like to believe Gregoire is unpopular, the umpleasant truth for wingnuts like him is that a majority of Washington voters see through the GOP bullshit and recognize that Gregoire is doing a great job — and will re-elect her in 2008.

  67. Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 12:23 am

    Don’t forget everybody — Roger Rabbit has endorsed RICHARD POPE as the “lesser evil” of the 3 candidates running for N.E. District Court Position No. 1.

  68. Richard Pope spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 12:35 am

    Looks like the University of Washington is planning to buy the Safeco HQ building in the U-District for a new administration building.

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....co23m.html

    That does move the UW President and top administrative offices several blocks away from the campus, instead of being relatively centrally located off of Red Square.

  69. Richard Pope spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 12:37 am

    Maybe I can do well as the only University of Washington graduate in a three-way non-partisan race. GO HUSKIES!

  70. Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 5:39 am

    Ain’t it just like a wingnut to think getting his ass kicked in court is “sweet.” Hey MWS bend over for more of that “Tookie love!” Commentby Roger Rabbit— 8/22/06@ 10:50 pm

    Just like a human being whom claims to be a furball to miss the irony of someone who supports the ACLU to side with the ACLU. Now I comprehend fully your need to fuck animals.

  71. Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 5:43 am

    “Not being insured does not mean they don’t get medical care. Under the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act of 1985, hospitals are obligated to treat the uninsured without reimbursement.” — From Furball

    The original premise of that 1985 law was for UNINSURED AMERICANS, NOT UNINSURED ILLEGALS. I have no problem paying higher hospital costs when I use emergency or standard hospital services for UNINSURED AMERICANS. I have a real PROBLEM paying for UNINSURED ILLEGALS.

    Does that furball animal fucking warped mind understand the difference Rabbit Furball. This has nothing to do with compassion. This is an illegal act done on purpose!

  72. Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 5:47 am

    If immigrants work and pay taxes, why shouldn’t they get the government services they pay for? Commentby Roger Rabbit— 8/22/06@ 11:41 pm

    Sure if they pay taxes. But cheap labor DONKS pay them under the table (Streisand, Judge Kimba Wood, etc.) If they don’t then they are NOT ALLOWED services. Plain and simple. For reference look at many EU countries and how come they pay such high taxes. Their welfare state over there forces 45% and higher tax rates.

  73. Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 5:51 am

    From the WA Times:

    “Bill of rights Several Montgomery County Council candidates last week rallied behind a “bill of rights” proposal that would create a living wage for immigrant and illegal alien domestic workers in the county. Democratic contenders Duchy Trachtenberg, Cary Lamari and Valerie Ervin were among the candidates who attended a press conference Tuesday to present a George Washington University study on the abuses of domestic workers — nannies and housekeepers who are the female equivalent of predominantly male day laborers.”

    In one of the most donkcratic counties in the US – cheap labor moonbats NOW want to change their laws?

  74. Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 5:53 am

    Montgomery county Maryland his home to the really librul moonbattic donk. Montgomery, Prince Georges, and Baltimore City are the heart of librulism in an extreme left wing librul state.

    This is why it’s so surprising to the national donk why Michael Steele is doing so well here.

  75. My Left Foot spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 6:30 am

    From the AP this morning. Republicans lie. Senator John McCain thinks so too. He is a Republican.

    COLUMBUS, Ohio – Republican Sen. John McCain, a staunch defender of the Iraq war, on Tuesday faulted the Bush administration for misleading Americans into believing the conflict would be “some kind of day at the beach.”

    The potential 2008 presidential candidate, who a day earlier had rejected calls for withdrawing U.S. forces, said the administration had failed to make clear the challenges facing the military.

    “I think one of the biggest mistakes we made was underestimating the size of the task and the sacrifices that would be required,” McCain said. “Stuff happens, mission accomplished, last throes, a few dead-enders. I’m just more familiar with those statements than anyone else because it grieves me so much that we had not told the American people how tough and difficult this task would be.”

    ‘Nuff said.

    Carl Grossman
    Liberal, Democrat

  76. Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 6:37 am

    doesn’t this sound like it was written by the donk MSM?

    “About 100,000 people live in this idyllic commuter town, which seems to have preserved many of the more pleasant aspects of old England without ignoring the present. When the British Empire disintegrated, about 15,000 Pakistanis moved to High Wycombe, which would eventually boast one of the island’s first ethnic Asian mayors. The town is widely seen as a “successfully integrated community.”
    But for at least one resident of High Wycombe, Jennifer Baker, the world is no longer what it once seemed. Baker lives at Number 17, Hepplewhite Close. Late in the night of August 10, several police cars stopped in front of a house down the street, Number 31, and dragged a man from a red Nissan Micra, a man Baker says was always a “particularly nice boy.”

    This particularly nice boy was named Don Stewart-Whyte until six months ago, when he converted to Islam and took the name Abdul Waheed. He and 23 accomplices were accused of having plotted to blow up 12 airliners en route from Britain to the United States. According to Home Secretary John Reid, the authorities had amassed “substantial evidence” against the would-be attackers. This evidence presumably includes intercepted emails and wiretapped phone conversations, but also large sums of money, weapons and bomb-making chemicals. A suitcase containing explosive chemicals was found in woods near High Wycombe on Thursday. Videos featuring the likely martyrs surfaced on Friday, and on the same day authorities in the Pakistani city of Bahawalpur arrested Matiur Rehman, a high-ranking al-Qaida terrorist believed to be behind the thwarted attack.”

    Well it wasn’t US donk MSM; it was German donk MSM:

    http://service.spiegel.de/cach.....35,00.html

    John Wayne Gacy was such a nice man.

    Jeffrey Dahmer was such a nice man.

  77. Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 6:57 am

    Der Speigel uses the term fast-food jihadists. Democrats the fast food jihadists of American politics!

    Look at all the Fast Food Jihadists on AssesHorse:

    LeftMyTurdBehindLostMyBrain
    Two Left Feet
    Rujerx
    Treekillafraud
    Clueless
    K
    Goldie
    Furball
    Garry Guttle
    Thomas Trainwinder

    RhP6033, I want to include you but it seems you and Puddy have a detente right now.

    Another TJ
    DJ
    Dr E.
    Gerald
    Green Thumb
    Larry the Subhumanite
    GBS
    proud lefty
    librulredneck

  78. Another TJ spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 7:10 am

    http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.....udden.html

  79. Another TJ spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 7:12 am

    I see MWS gave up searching the internets for information on the franking privilege. That’s good. Best to move on when you’ve embarrassed yourself that badly.

  80. QMN7RHFKrj spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 7:13 am

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  81. rhp6033 spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 7:14 am

    Pope at 68: With the UW administration moving to the old Safeco building, at least that will free up some more building space and parking on campus for everybody else.

    As bad as the old law school building was, at least being on the “far edge” of campus made parking easier. Now using the UW law library is a lot more difficult.

  82. My Left Foot spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 7:21 am

    Another TJ @ 79,

    MWS has run out of arguments, now he has turned his attention to childish, and, even worse, unimaginative name play. Typical RightWingNut, leaving the issues behind and focusing on meaningless “talking points”.

    Carl Grossman
    Liberal, Democrat and no longer participating in the RightWingNuts childish behavior.

  83. rhp6033 spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 7:29 am

    The posts about “immigrant medical costs” just show how screwed up the U.S. medical system is. We already pay for the poorest uninsured to have emergency care in hospitals. This is paid by the taxpayers (subsidies to the hospitals) and higher hospital and physician bills generally.

    Consider what happens when a person has a persistent cough:

    (1) If they have insurance, they make an office visit to see the doctor, who spends fifteen minutes examining them, writes a prescription, and charges them $275 bucks, of which they pay a $20 deductable. The remainder is split between the doctor, the office expenses, and the person who works full time in the office trying to get the insurance company to pay the remainder.

    (2) If they have medicare/medicade, they have to spend more time finding a doctor who will book their appointment. They pay a small co-pay, and a reduced fee is billed to the government.

    (3) If they have no insurance, no doctor will book an appointment – even if they offer to pay in cash in advance. So they either (a) hope it goes away, and get lucky when it does, (b) go to the emergency room, where a simple cold costs $3,000 to diagnose and treat with a prescription, (c) ignore it until it turns into pneumonia, at which point it becomes a $15,000 hospital stay, or (d) die from pneumonia at home. Either way, the taxpayer ends up paying a lot more than under option (1) or (2).

  84. Another TJ spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 7:30 am

    MWS has run out of arguments, now he has turned his attention to childish, and, even worse, unimaginative name play. Typical RightWingNut, leaving the issues behind and focusing on meaningless “talking points”.

    To be fair (I know, why?), I don’t think that’s a right-wing trait. I think it is more indicative of an immature intellect, and the right doesn’t have a monopoly on that – perhaps a plurality, but not a monopoly.

  85. Daddy Love spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 8:05 am

    Billmon (billmon.org) has a take on Bush:

    [==snipped off opening discussion of Isaiah Berlin using hedgehog v. fox metaphor; basically hedgehogs have a single fixed idea about the world==]

    “At this point, I would say Shrub is acting like a hedgehog on hallucinogens. His one big integrative idea — exporting American-style “democracy” to Iraq at the point of a gun — has proven fatally, disasterously wrong, but he can’t let go of it, because it’s the only idea he’s got. He’s fully vested in it, like a ’90s e-trader who decided to throw caution to the wind, empty his retirement account and bet it all on pets.com.”

    “I think if Shrub were ever forced to let go of his vision, his one big idea, it would not only crush his fragile ego, it would leave him completely incapable of making any sense at all out of his presidency, out of America’s role in the Middle East, out of the universe.”

    “So now he’s imitating the hedgehog as literally as any human being can — he’s rolled himself up into a defensive ball, spines out. He has nothing useful to say and absolutely no strategy beyond hunkering down and passively defying reality. Which leaves the generals and the troops no choice but to hunker down with him.”

    “The next two and a half years are going to be very long ones.”

  86. jaybo spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 8:06 am

    Goldy,
    Isn’t it incredible that the “Bush-Rove Republican Campaign Machine” can control so many others around the world? I truly believe that there is a “world-wide” conspiracy to re-elect republicans by using the “fear card” (read below).

    P.S. If you are an ethnic Jew you must ask yourself if these kinds of speeches are “playing-to-the-crowd” or the rise of a new neo-nazi movement that wants to kill you and your family.

    Egypt’s Muslim authorities disown fatwas on killing Jews
    by Alain NavarroTue Aug 22, 2:53 PM ET
    Egypt’s Muslim authorities have stepped in to keep a wave of anti-Semitic sentiment from getting out of control, disowning an edict by a firebrand cleric calling for Israeli Jews to be killed.

    On the eve of last week’s truce in the month-long war between Israel and Hezbollah, cleric Safwat al-Higazi issued an edict calling on worshippers to kill “any Zionist anywhere in wartime”.
    Speaking on the religious satellite network Al-Nas, the Cairo imam specified that the use of “fire arms, knives and poison” should be preferred to suicide bombings “in order to spare innocents”.

    Higazi later limited the edict to Israeli Jews, whom he said were all reservists in the army and therefore legitimate targets.
    “I myself am ready to slash the throat of any Israeli I meet,” he told the Sawt al-Umma newspaper.

    Popular resentment over the Israeli offensive in Lebanon is close to boiling point in Egypt, one of only two Arab countries to have a peace treaty with the Jewish state.

    Al-Azhar mosque, the leading theological authority for many Sunni Muslims, had to step in with a counter-fatwa and banned Higazi from preaching at Friday prayers.

    “Killing Jews on the Egyptian territory would be a terrorist act,” said the edict, issued three days after Higazi’s.
    However, the Al-Azhar fatwa said nothing about killing Jews in other countries.

    In Tuesday’s edition of the independent Al-Masri Al-Yom daily, Egypt’s government-appointed grand mufti, Ali Gomaa, explained that any Israeli who has been granted a visa should be spared.
    “A visa is a ‘safe-conduct pass’ granted by the authorities to civilians and travellers wishing to enter a country, which bans his killing even if there is a war between us and his country,” the sheikh told the newspaper.

    Gomaa had initially reacted to Israel’s offensive in Lebanon by praising the resistance of Hassan Nasrallah’s Hezbollah guerrilla against the “blood-thirsty murderers” and condemning the “lies” of the Israeli government.

    “These lies have exposed the true and hideous face of the blood-suckers,” he had told the state-owned Al-Ahram daily, referring to a 19th century anti-Semitic book alleging that Jews used human blood to make Passover bread.

    Mohammed Raafat Othman, a professor of Islamic law at Al-Azhar — whose grand imam is also government-appointed — echoed Gomaa’s views by stressing that killing a Jew or anyone else holding a valid visa “would be considered a major criminal act in Islam.”
    Al-Masri Al-Yom editorialist Magdi Mehanna argued that too much attention is being given to Higazi and that the country’s religious authorities should close the file.

    Extremist fatwas are “only a small part of the consequences of war in Lebanon,” Mehanna said, voicing his opposition to Higazi’s edict “even though these Jews provide the support Israel needs to continue its aggression.”

    The debate on the future of Egypt’s relations with Israel was reignited after the punishing offensive launched in late June against the Gaza Strip in response to the abduction of an Israeli soldier by militant groups.

    But it reached a rare intensity when Israel responded to the killing of eight soldiers and the capture of two others by unleashing on Lebanon its largest land, air and sea military
    operation in a quarter century.

    Many Egyptian opposition movements — including the powerful Muslim Brotherhood — have since called for diplomatic relations to be severed.

    The Nasserist Karama party’s Hamdeen Sabahi even said recently that the Arab nation should resume efforts to achieve “the noble, simple but difficult goal” of suppressing the state of Israel.

    The rhetorical escalation against Israel also reflects growing discontent at the moderate position adopted by the Egyptian regime.

    “Everything has become an excuse to attack the regime of President Hosni Mubarak, which people see as closely linked to Israel and the United States,” said Imad Gad, an analyst with the Al-Ahram Centre for Political and Strategic Studies.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20.....;printer=1

  87. HAD ENOUGH YET? spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 8:15 am

    MWS really has a point.

    If the United States had tax rates as low as Mexico, we’d be able to acheive a sort of economic equilibrium, with about the same number of Americans trying to flee the stagnant U.S. economy as Mexicans trying to flee their stagnant economy.
    We’d acheive a balance of wet-backs!

    We must close the “wet-back gap” by chasing Mexico to the bottom!

  88. Daddy Love spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 8:16 am

    Reality Check @ 13

    Infanticide against females in China is not a gvernment policy. The government’s offical position and policy is to encourage gender balance and harshly punish female infanticide. However, old hbits die hard. Complain if you like, just don’t say what’s not true. Blame the people for that one.

  89. klake spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 8:26 am

    Goldy and Gang
    In my long career serving this nation, I have witnessed war and peace. I have seen turmoil at home and danger abroad. I have known statesman and scoundrels alike.
    Yet never have I been as concerned for the fate of American liberty as I am today.
    Since ascending to power in 2001, the Bush administration has waged an unrelenting assault on the Constitution of the United States while being aided and abetted every step of the way by a supine Republican congress. Today, I need you to stand with me to help take the Senate back.
    Under the Orwellian auspices of “Executive Privilege,” the Bush administration has tried to squash domestic dissent while ignoring congressional inquiries into 9/11 and the manipulation of prewar Iraq intelligence. George W. Bush has made over 750 Presidential signing statements, essentially claiming that he can interpret rules passed by Congress however he pleases.
    Republican legislators have made it clear that they have no intention of reining in this runaway White House. The only way to confront the Bush administration’s egregious abuse of power is to elect a Democratic Senate. We are merely six seats away from a Democratic majority and the polls are showing that we can win, but to get there, we need committed Democrats to stand up and be counted.
    Contributing to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC) is such an important step in reclaiming our liberties. Senate campaigns shift into high gear after Labor Day and with Republican attack ads flooding the airwaves, we need all hands on deck. Make a donation today and it will be matched dollar for dollar by a group of Democratic senators, effectively doubling your contribution.
    We cannot continue to claim that we are a nation of laws and not of men, if our laws may be summarily breached because the President says, “trust me.” There was a time when it was different – when dissent was understood to be a patriot’s duty – when leaders in Washington followed the dictum of the great Teddy Roosevelt, who said: “To announce that there must be no criticism of the president…is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonous to the American public.”
    Now, those with the temerity to question the powers that be are called “obstructionist” and accused of “emboldening the enemy.” Within charges such as these lie the seeds of dictatorship and the end of the American republic as we know it.
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    Make a contribution today to ensure that Democratic candidates have everything they need to win.
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  90. Libertarian spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 8:38 am

    Here’s a question: does anyone out there believe it was our government that did the damage at the World Trade Center & Pentagon 5 years ago? I’m hearing a lot of conspiracy theories, and I can’t ascertain if it’s the loony left of the whack-job right adhering to these ideas.

    Does anybody know who’s who in the conspiracy theories about 9/11?

  91. Richard Pope spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 9:35 am

    Daddy Love @ 88

    China seems “off topic”, but then again, this is an OPEN thread.

    Here are the latest statistics on China that are published in the CIA World Fact Book:

    https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ch.html#People

    The fertility rate is still 1.73 children per woman, in spite of the “one child” policy.

    1.12 males are born for every female. Natural ratio is somewhere around 1.05 males per female at birth. So there is some sex selection, including abortion, going on.

    This jumps to 1.13 males per female in the under 15 population. The female mortality rate for children is a bit higher than for males. During the first year of life, for every 1,000 male babies born, 20.6 die. For every 1,000 female babies born, 25.94 die.

    Ethnic composition has changed somewhat, since many minority groups in China simply will not comply with the one child policy, and the government doesn’t seriously try to enforce it among these groups. The non-Han population used to be around 6%, and now it is up to 8.1%.

  92. Richard Pope spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 9:44 am

    RHP6033 @ 81

    Do you know what the enrollment of the University of Washington at the Seattle main campus is these days? It seems like everything about the UW is expanding rapidly, except for the number of students able to obtain a higher education there. At the same time, the tuition for those who are able to attend is increasing rapidly.

    For example, in-state tuition at UW law school for 2006-07 is now $16,255 per year. Back in 1990, it was less than $3,000 per year for in-state tuition. There are not many things which have increase more than five-fold in price in the last 16 years — not even gasoline.

  93. Harry Tuttle spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 9:45 am

    46.

    From the report “Similarly, we could not specifically identify undocumented persons, whom we suspect have the lowest health care expenditures.”

  94. Libertarian spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 9:46 am

    Richard Pope,

    Thanks for a bit of education about China. I never really thought of China as being more than one ethnic group, but I guess there are many and varied ethnic groups in China.

    Every now and then, an old dog learns something new!

  95. Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 10:47 am

    Hey, commie lib idiot Democrats!! [GBS, My Left Foot, Carl Grossman, Roger Rabbit, Harry, and JDB], Did you know that if you feel you are not paying enough tax you can simply send a check to Uncle Sam? To say thank you for all of the blessings that have been showered upon your grateful and smiling countenance? Why force others to pay more when you can step up and show us the way? Show us that you care!!! Do it for “da chillin”!!!!! Indeed you can and the address is here:

    Gifts to the United States
    U.S. Department of the Treasury
    Credit Accounting Branch
    3700 East-West Highway, Room 6D37
    Hyattsville, MD 20782

  96. John Barelli spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 10:49 am

    “I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.” – Will Rogers.

    Libertarian asked:

    “Does anybody know who’s who in the conspiracy theories about 9/11?”

    There are two main schools of conspiracy theories.

    1. “The Bush administration planned and carried out the attack”

    This one is held by both far left and far right whackos. While around this blog, we tend to consider President Bush to be rather far right, (and compared to most of us, he is) some of the right wing goes way further off into whackoland than him.

    Some variations include the theory that there never were any plane crashes, and the buildings were brought down with explosives. These would be amusing reading, were the situation not so tragic.

    2. “The Bush administration had information that could have stopped the attack, but chose to ignore it in order to create an incident that would allow him to do a power-grab”

    There are some on the left that buy into this one. A good example of this is Rep Cynthia McKinney (D-GA). She’s had a number of other problems as well. Before the right has too much fun here, I should note that the Democrats of her district have decided that she will not be returning to the House. (She lost in the primary.)

    Not included in the “Conspiracy theory” list is the somewhat larger group of people that believe that the Bush administration had nothing to with the attack, but have exploited the situation for their own advantage. Many of these people also believe that the administration could have prevented the attacks had they paid attention to experts that were warning of the possibilities.

    Does that help?

  97. Tree Frog Farmer spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 10:52 am

    @94 The Language diversity is the key to distinguishing ethnic/cultural groups. The ‘Sons of Han’ pushed everybody south and down along the coast and out into the margins of the Gobi desert. Along the south coast you can encounter a new dialect at every village. The Viets, the Hmong, the ‘Montagnards’, are all a product of this displacement.
    The genius of the Mandarin educational system was to enforce unanimity of written language. A Shanghainese and a Cantonese can sit side by side on a park bench reading the same newspaper, but if one were to read it aloud, the other could not understand him.

  98. Libertarian spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 11:15 am

    John Barelli,

    Yes, that helps, and thanks very much! I think the terroist attack was truly the work of terrorists from planning through execution. However, I believe politicians have exploited the events at varying levels throughout government. It’s the nature of politicians to do so.

    In any event, I’ll ignore those, on the left or on the right, who speculate that the CIA, for example, actually planned and carried out the attacks. It’s the nature of those without power to look for conspiracies.

  99. Daddy Love spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 11:23 am

    Terrorists, politicans, who can tell these days?

  100. rhp6033 spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 12:13 pm

    Tree Frog Farmer at 97: The ability of the Chinese to mandate learning the common (written) language, while the spoken language remains distinct, is a peculiarity of the use of ideographs for the written language. The symbols represent an idea, and have no relation to the spoken word. For example, the symbol for a “house” has a passing similarity to a simple structure, even though the spoken word for “house” is quite different in Mandarin and Cantonese.

    In contrast, Western languages are an attempt to use symbols to mimic the spoken word (phonetic), rather than the idea the word represents.

    Japanese have an interesting combination of the two. The Chinese ideographs, called “Kanji” in Japan, are the most traditional form of writing, and are studied and learned throughout their eductation. But they also have a distinctly Japanese system which mimics their vowel sounds, which they call “Hiragana”. Just to make it more confusing for us foreigners, any foreign-origin words are written with a different phonetic alphabit, known as “Katakana”.

    But it takes a long time to acquire a large vocabulary of Kanji. A spoken word may have several meanings, with quite different Kanji representing each one. And it is difficult to adopt “new” Kanji for new words. And the very concept of Kanji as a “visual”, rather than a “verbal” communication of ideas, tends to reinforce a predisposition toward visual representation of ideas, rather than verbal ones.

    As a result, many Japanese adults tend to read more story comic-books than books with lots of printed words. In business, most presentations need to have lots of diagrams and pictures to explain an idea, rather than relying upon a verbal lecture.

  101. rhp6033 spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 12:20 pm

    Lib and JB: I’ve noticed that those who believe that the U.S. government had an active roll in the 9/11 attacks also tend to believe that F.D.R. had a roll in the Pearl Harbor attack in Dec. 1941. Both scenarios don’t stand up to a fair scrutiny of the evidence, despite claims of “new evidence” from time to time by those who are trying to sell books on the subject.

  102. Daddy Love spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 12:49 pm

    Speaking of polls (was anyone?)….

    Now < a href="http://politicalarithmetik.blogspot.com/2006/08/bush-approval-gallup-says-42-too.html">HERE is what I call an analysis of a poll!

    I’ve bookmarked this site.

  103. Daddy Love spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 12:50 pm

    Wow, I crapped all over that one…

  104. Another TJ spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 2:05 pm

    DL,

    Yeah, Charles Franklin is one of the leading experts on polling. He’s also an interesting, nice guy. I had the pleasure of attending a lecture he gave with a reception after. It’s always refreshing to see someone who isn’t full of himself, in spite of his success.

    http://politicalarithmetik.blogspot.com/ is worth the bookmark.

  105. Daddy Love spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 4:21 pm

    Speaking of polls….

    NY Times poll:
    Americans increasingly see the war in Iraq as distinct from the fight against terrorism, and nearly half believe President Bush has focused too much on Iraq to the exclusion of other threats, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.

    The finding that 51 percent of those surveyed see no link between the war in Iraq and the broader antiterror effort was a jump of 10 percentage points since June.

    I am sure that Republicans are paying no attention to this poll, as unreliable and erratic as they are. Question: Am I referring to polls or Republicans here?

  106. Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 4:50 pm

    Hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah Hoh hoh hoh hoh hoh hoh hoh hoh hoh hoh hoh hoh hoh hoh hoh hoh hoh hoh hoh Heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh

    Carl the Gross man wrote: Another TJ @ 79, MWS has run out of arguments, now he has turned his attention to childish, and, even worse, unimaginative name play. Typical RightWingNut, leaving the issues behind and focusing on meaningless “talking points”. Carl Grossman Liberal, Democrat and no longer participating in the RightWingNuts childish behavior. Commentby My Left Foot— 8/23/06@ 7:21 am

    I get ammunition for moonbattic behaviour everyday. The Internet is a treasuretrove; a plethora of idiotic donk activities!

  107. Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 5:04 pm

    Lib and JB: I’ve noticed that those who believe that the U.S. government had an active roll in the 9/11 attacks also tend to believe that F.D.R. had a roll in the Pearl Harbor attack in Dec. 1941. Both scenarios don’t stand up to a fair scrutiny of the evidence, despite claims of “new evidence” from time to time by those who are trying to sell books on the subject. Commentby rhp6033— 8/23/06@ 12:20 pm

    Out respect for Puddy you ask a great question. Have you noticed the whack-job moonbats are the ones who believe this crap? This includes your Dr E.

  108. Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 5:11 pm

    I see MWS gave up searching the internets for information on the franking privilege. That’s good. Best to move on when you’ve embarrassed yourself that badly. Commentby Another TJ— 8/23/06@ 7:12 am Results 1 – 10 of about 84,700 for Franking Privilege. (0.33 seconds)

    I think your terminology was “Dismissed with prejudice!” If the foo shits… you’ll see ATJ

  109. Another TJ spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 5:28 pm

    MWS *has* to be a right-wing parody. Nobody’s that obtuse.

    Whoever you are, kudos! You’ve captured the essence of wingnuttery.

  110. Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 6:05 pm

    ATJ Obtuse? Me? What? How? When? WHere?

    You are an interesting moonbat ATJ. When is the next full moon again?

  111. Another TJ spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 6:17 pm

    Obtuse? Me? What? How? When? WHere?

    Now THAT’S performance art!

  112. Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 6:44 pm

    I’m glad you like my art. Did you approve of the performance art from your moonbat friends in the last San Francisco freak show parade?

  113. Another TJ spews:

    Wednesday, 8/23/06 at 7:02 pm

    I’m impressed. You’ve really got this “crazy wingnut” thing down. When in doubt, go for the San Francisco slur. Bang!

    You’re my new hero. Not many people would allow themselves to be lobotomized just to entertain people on the web, but you had the stones to do it. I raise my glass to you. Cheers, sir!

  114. jaybo spews:

    Thursday, 8/24/06 at 6:40 am

    It seems that some Jewish organizations are finally waking up.

    Wednesday, Aug. 23, 2006 9:41 p.m. EDT
    ADL Attacks Amnesty International
    The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) slammed the human rights group Amnesty International for its report on the Israeli-Hezbollah war, calling it “bigoted, biased and borderline anti-Semitic.”
    Abraham H. Foxman, ADL national director, called the Amnesty International report, “bigoted, biased and borderline anti- Semitic.” Currently in Israel visiting devastated areas in the north, Foxman said, “I see deliberate destruction of Israeli homes, hospitals and other institutions.”
    He added that, “Amnesty International has a longstanding pattern of rushing to judgment to stigmatize Israel. They chose to ignore the fact that, after Hezbollah’s unprovoked attack on Israeli soil, Israel did not deliberately strike civilian centers, while Hezbollah did, killing and maiming Israeli Jews and Israeli Arabs and destroying their homes and businesses.”
    Foxman went on to say that, “One would have hoped that Amnesty International would have started with the victim, Israel, and conducted their study here first reporting on violations of international law and war crimes committed by Hezbollah. When it comes to Israel, Amnesty International has an anti-Israel bias.”

  115. jaybo spews:

    Thursday, 8/24/06 at 7:34 am

    What do the Kos Kids & Move-On.org have in common with Islamo-Fascists? Read the article below and note that they both believe the same crazy paranoid-schitzophenic conspiracy theories.

    The Protestant Crusade Conspiracy

    By: Brenda Strohmaier

    Who planted the bombs on German trains? Depends who you ask. Many Muslims in Germany think it’s a government conspiracy. Just like with Sept. 11. And London….

    This just in: The Lebanese men suspected of having deposited bombs on German trains last month were hired hands — in the employ of the German government itself.
    That, at least, is what one 27-year-old from Saudi Arabia believes. “It’s all a Protestant crusade,” the man explains. “All of northern Germany is Protestant, isn’t it? And so is President Bush.” Then the man launches into a melange of confusing arguments and historical facts. The bubonic plague, Martin Luther and former German Chancellor Helmut Kohl all make a cameo. It’s all connected somehow, the man is sure of it.
    The young Saudi Arabian’s views may make little sense from a Western point of view, but you can meet him and talk to him at a street corner in the middle of Hamburg, right by the central station. Foreigners from all over the world live in this neighborhood, called St. Georg, and a large number of them are Muslim. Several mosques have been built in the neighborhood. Many nearby stores carry no alcohol — but they do have electronic memory aides for Koran students on offer.
    And then there are the conspiracy theories. They are everywhere — dozens of them — including some to explain away Germany’s recent terror scare. The others — some mutually contradictory — have pat explanations for what’s really going on in the world.
    The Saudi Arabian’s crusade theory is being hotly debated on Steindamm, one of the main streets in the neighborhood. “It’s not about religion, it’s about money,” says an Algerian wearing a Lacoste shirt. A man from Tunisia immediately agrees and asks, “Why else have German soldiers been sent to Congo?”
    In their struggle for money and oil, Western states will use whatever means they can, according to the theory. That the USA knew about the September 11, 2001 attacks before they happened but chose not to prevent them is a widespread view. “We think the United States needed those attacks so they could start the Iraq war,” explains Mahran Abdulwahab, a Lebanese graphic designer with a Hamburg accent.

    “They’re crazy.”
    Asked what they think of the suspects arrested for the foiled train attacks, many respond with remarks like: “They’re crazy.” Few have more to say. Abdulwahab also thinks such attacks are sheer madness. “It only harms people like us who live here,” he says. But even he — whose views are quite moderate and who even had a Jewish girlfriend once — can’t help claiming you’ll never get the whole truth from the Western media because “their reporting is just too pro-Jewish.” Many such anti-Semitic remarks — and worse — can be heard around Hamburg’s central station.

    Or on television. Just a few days ago, a 17-year-old Kurd from Bonn espoused the following theory on SPIEGEL TV: “What happened first,” he said, talking about the recent conflict in Lebanon, “was that the Jews raped a child, or something like that.” Later he claimed to have learned from a credible source that Jews once systematically shot six-year-olds in a kindergarten. “They let the teacher live so she would become mentally ill,” the young man said. Bizarre theories about the conflict in Lebanon can be heard in St. Georg too. A telephone salesman insists the recent police raids in London were all propaganda. Has he heard that a bomb attack was being prepared with liquid explosives? It’s all lies, he says. “No one believes any of that. It’s just about distracting people from the war in Lebanon.” As he speaks, the salesman points outside the entrance to his store, where a group of men is chatting. “We all think this way here,” the man says.

    Anti-Semitism on the air

    Such views are promoted by television propaganda like that aired by al-Manar, the Hezbollah-financed TV channel. Al-Manar not only glorifies suicide attacks, but it even features anti-Semitic TV shows as part of its children’s program. “These films are made for children. Entire generations grow up with anti-Semitic ideas about Jews being apes and pigs,” laments Wahied Wahdathagh of Berlin’s Middle East Media Research Institute, which examines the programs aired on Arab television. The situation is exacerbated by films like the Turkish blockbuster “Valley of the Wolves”, which features a Jewish doctor removing organs from the bodies of prisoners detained in Iraq’s Abu Ghraib prison.

    But Lebanese men like Abdulwahab, the graphic designer, insist they’re able to differentiate. “We know al-Manar is run by Hezbollah,” he says, “so we watch other channels too.” At the same time, many immigrants deny that Germans are able to use the media critically and intelligently. “Many of them only read Bild” — the popular tabloid — “and watch TV. They think we’re all terrorists,” a young Tunisian explains.

    And he has a theory to prove it: All the coverage of terrorism means people are forgetting the real problems of immigrants. “It’s about distracting people,” the man says. “All we want to do is live here peacefully. And that means we need jobs, jobs and more jobs. Why don’t you write that in your article.”

    http://service.spiegel.de/cach.....83,00.html

  116. George Allen [R - NoMacacas] spews:

    Thursday, 8/24/06 at 8:35 am

    jaybo –

    You amongst all those who “think right” here at Horsesass.org clearly understand the threat to world peace from the Macacas. I am the only Republican speaking on this most highest of priorities for our country.

    Send me $$$$$$ jaybo. As your next Dear Leader, I will kill million upon millions of terraists (at least a billion) so you can feel safe and prosperous especially when you travel to Israel. I will also cut taxes almost (but not quite) to zero and increase spending on programs for states who “think right”.

    I call this “the agenda of the real world”.

    Join me jaybo (and don’t forget the $$$$$$$) and together will call the nation’s attention to the Macacas, the greatest threat to American and Israeli values since the liberals.

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