When Vice President Cheney went out of his way Wednesday to blast Democrats as weak on terrorism, he knew something that few Americans knew: Another stark reminder of the dangers of terrorism was about to hit the headlines.
The White House confirmed Thursday that senior administration officials have been aware since at least last weekend that British authorities were moving toward arrests in an alleged terrorism plot.
Some of these top officials worked in concert with the Republican National Committee to blast Democrats after Tuesday’s primary defeat of Democratic Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, a supporter of President Bush’s Iraqi war strategy.
Who’d’ve thunk that this, of all administrations, would seek political gain out of a terrorist plot?
UPDATE:
AmericaBlog: “White House official gleeful that terrorists wanted to kill thousands of Americans.”
“Weeks before September 11th, this is going to play big,” said another White House official, who also spoke on condition of not being named, adding that some Democratic candidates won’t “look as appealing” under the circumstances.
Whaddaya expect….
http://www.nwprogressive.org/w.....-into.html
Just think how much more political they could have made it if they had James, Lanny, Mandy, Rahm, and other hacks from the last admin…
Please read DailyKos article on this kind of suggestion:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/8/10/113112/691
There’s little doubt that the Bushies are using secret information for political gain. Their terrorism numbers are down, and they need to polish the only silver bullet they have left.
The current terror story is a Brit accomplishment. What has been done since 9/11 (and before yesterday) to protect citizens from chemical bombs on planes?
Ramzi Yousef was preparing to use nitroglycerin in a similar plot in 1995. Using nitroglycerin he concealed in a contact lens solution bottle, he assembled a bomb in the lavatory of a Philippine airliner in a test run. That bomb killed a Japanese businessman after the aircraft took off again. That plot was uncovered and stopped.
So why was it just yesterday that liquids were banned in carry on?
The rumors are that the London group was planning to use acetone and concentrated peroxide for their chemical brew. That kind of peroxide has to be obtained from a chemical warehouse.
What safeguards, like identification by the buyer, has been put in place for such chemical agents?
Grandstanding and fear mongering doesn’t make us safer. We need a real anti-terror policy.
So what does the “religion of peace” do when they have a beef with american policy?
Go out and kill a jew…
Sounds hauntingly like the beginnings of the Nazi movement, doesn’t it.
“Haq is accused of forcing his way into the downtown offices of the Seattle charity and opening fire with a handgun, saying that he was upset about the war in Iraq and U.S. support of Israel.”
http://www.kirotv.com/news/9660302/detail.html
Too bad for you that your Paki allies over there got caught, eh Goldy? But don’t worry, I’m sure a few American soldiers will get killed this weekend, giving you and Ned Lamont, et al., something to celebrate.
Harry tuttle; I think area 51 nuts have their own whack job website; yipes, the left really is nuts
Jaybo @ 7,
I saw a piece on KIRO-TV last night about this Haq character. Apparently he was going to plead guilty as charged, but his lawyer (a public defender?) intervened to stop that.
Shoot, if the guy had pled gu8ilty, the judge could convict and sentence the guy to death at that the same court proceeding. We could have had the guy executed before the six o’clock news! Lawyers! Can’t live with ’em, can’t shoot ’em!
10.
Yeah, why let the guy have a lawyer at all? Why not just go down to the jail, break him out, throw a rope over a lamppost, and hang him!
You know that Bush is going to stage more of these so-called terror plots as we get close to the election. It’s his only chance. Scare enough old white republicans into getting to the polls or the GOP is done.
I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if Bush was on the horn to old family friend Papa bin Laden suggesting new ideas for new attacks. Say around late October maybe?
7 – Typical wingnut thinking – equates one whacked out guy with an entire religion.
Shall I do the same for you and your religion whackbo?
Events are starting to remind me more of home, in “Brazil”.
Q. Deputy minister, what do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings?
A. Bad sportsmanship. A ruthless minority of people seems to have
forgotten certain good old fashioned virtues. They just can’t stand seeing the other fellow win. If these people would just play the game, instead of standing on the touch line heckling,
Q. In fact, killing people –
A. – In fact, killing people – they’d get a lot more out of life.
Q. Mr. HELPMANN, what would you say to those critics who maintain that the Ministry Of Information [NSA[ has become too large and unwieldy …?
A. David … in a free society information is the name of the game. You can’t win the game if you’re a man short.
Q. And the cost of it all, Deputy Minister? Seven percent of the gross national produce …
A. I understand this concern on behalf of the tax-payers. People want value for money and a cost-effective service. That is why we always insist on the principle of Information Retrieval Charges. These terrorists are not pulling their weight, and it’s absolutely right and fair that those found guilty should pay for their periods of detention and the Information Retrieval Procedures used in their interrogation.
What’s all this nonsense about a Public Defender for Haq? He should be paying for his trial and investigation!
Please read DailyKos article on this kind of suggestion:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/8/10/113112/691 Commentby Thomas Trainwinder— 8/11/06@ 7:12 am
And I thought you had a brain Thomas!
Hey Goldie:
Finally on the airline plot. You morons politicize it. Ned Lamont will bring you all down. Read Slate.com
Nothing on Israel finding Iranians among the dead Hisbollah guerillas?
Awww poor Goldie, good news on the war front makes you look like a buffoon on AssesHorse? There is a real war going on Goldie. Your buffoonmates forget the 1993 attack on the WTC, or the two 1998 embassy bombings in Africa or the 2000 attack on the USS Cole. Each of these happened during Cigar’s watch.
So Clueless One, Garry Guttle, and Treekilledafrog your BS is worthless. There is nothing the moonbats have said to assuage the fears of normal Americans regarding terror Sir Moonbat Goldie!
Yeah yeah this is a liberal blog. Full of GWB hateful epithets. Well moonbats when you take off in your next flight remember Mike Moore says there are no terrorists. They are all great people. PacMan asked for you to take one home. I haven’t seen a moonbat step up to the plate. I think Goldie in an IDF uniform would do Seattle good!
#12 You are exactly the LeftHisTurdLostHisBrain one we know and detest. Since more and more info is coming out on the Clinton News Network, how can you look at yourself in the face and continue to know you are a pathological liar!
The push to “demonize” jews continues as the “religion of peace” trys to re-establish the Nazi Movement and their “final solution”.
http://littlegreenfootballs.co.....&only
Yeah, why let the guy have a lawyer at all? Why not just go down to the jail, break him out, throw a rope over a lamppost, and hang him!
Commentby Harry Tuttle— 8/11/06@ 7:45 am
Harry,
==========
You must be an attorney.
The guy wanted to plead guilty-as-charged. Sounds like an open-and-shut case to me.
News Item:
Bush’s rating drops on nearly every issue.
“An Associated Press-Ipsos poll conducted this week found the president’s approval rating has dropped to 33 percent, matching his low in May. His handling of nearly every issue, from the Iraq war to foreign policy, contributed to the president’s decline around the nation, even in the Republican-friendly South.
More sobering for the GOP are the number of voters who backed Bush in 2004 who are ready to vote Democratic in the fall’s congressional elections – 19 percent. These one-time Bush voters are more likely to be female, self-described moderates, low- to middle-income and from the Northeast and Midwest
Two years after giving the Republican president another term, more than half of these voters – 57 percent – disapprove of the job Bush is doing.
“The signs now point to the most likely outcome of Democrats gaining control of the House,” said Robert Erikson, a Columbia University political science professor….
But fewer than 100 days before the Nov. 7 election, the AP-Ipsos poll suggested the midterms are clearly turning into a national referendum on Bush ….
In the South, Bush’s approval ratings dropped from 43 percent last month to 34 percent as the GOP advantage with Southern women disappeared.”
Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14301521/
Of course, this was before yesterday’s news of the arrests in the terrorist plots. Since Republicans were offered a chance to comment on the poll results before they were published, I assume that these poll numbers have been known to the White House for at least a couple of days. Of course, the timing of the arrests would have been just a coincidence, of course.
Hey Mike Webb Sucks,
George W. has under 1,000 days left in office. After he’s gone, what purpose will many of the leftist blogs serve? If Time Eyman were to drop dead, Goldy’s reason for running this blog would be gone. What wold Goldy do then.
The make-up of the government will change in 2006 and again in 2008, and the Dems are likely to have control. Does that mean that the pastime of taking pot shots at one another on the blogs will become a thing of the past? Those of us with jobs may actually have to do a little work for a change!
Wingnut Obsession Sucks – Look at 20. The people are sick and tired of the Bushite.
It’s clear national security is too important to be left to the GOP.
Let’s not forget it was the BRITISH who made this bust. The incompetent Bush administration has not convicted a single major terrorist; their pattern is to arrest people with much hoopla and fanfare, who later turn out to be innocents or minor thugs who plead to misdemeanors.
16 – Whackbo show his true colors – green, a minion of the most whacked-out hate site on the net.
1
“Media Matters reports that several major traditional media outlets have unsurprisingly allowed many of these nasty and false attacks to go unchallenged and unrefuted.”
What’s so surprising about the so-called “liberal media” pandering to the right? After all, 99% of the so-called “liberal media” is owned by rich Republicans.
23: Gonzales quickly referred to the plot as having all the appearances of an Al-Quida plot.
When the British police were asked about this, they quickly tried to distance themselves from any linking of the plotters with Al-Quida. In last year’s subway bombings, they had made the mistake of assuming it was an Al-Quida attack, only to find out later the bombers were home-grown terrorists, with only “wanna-be” connections with any other terrorist network.
So, why will the Bush administration quickly imply a link between these plotters with Al Quida, when the British who made the arrests will not?
5
“Sounds hauntingly like the beginnings of the Nazi movement, doesn’t it.” Commentby jaybo— 8/11/06@ 7:29 am
So does Coulter’s public statements that Supreme Court justices should be “killed” and liberals should be put in “concentration camps” and “executed.” Coulter and Haq are cut from the same cloth.
6
Another Nazi spewing his venom as he sits at the keyboard jerking his wand …
7
“I think area 51 nuts have their own whack job website; yipes, the left really is nuts” Commentby righton— 8/11/06@ 7:32 am
If you think the right isn’t nuts, see #5.
Ramzi Yousef was preparing to use nitroglycerin in a similar plot in 1995. Using nitroglycerin he concealed in a contact lens solution bottle, he assembled a bomb in the lavatory of a Philippine airliner in a test run. That bomb killed a Japanese businessman after the aircraft took off again. That plot was uncovered and stopped.
So why was it just yesterday that liquids were banned in carry on?ne could have predicted terrorists would try to use liquids to make a bomb on a plane.
rr at 26
diff is one talks, the other shoots. too dumb to see the diff?
That was weird. Let’s try that again:
Ramzi Yousef was preparing to use nitroglycerin in a similar plot in 1995. Using nitroglycerin he concealed in a contact lens solution bottle, he assembled a bomb in the lavatory of a Philippine airliner in a test run. That bomb killed a Japanese businessman after the aircraft took off again. That plot was uncovered and stopped.
So why was it just yesterday that liquids were banned in carry on? one could have predicted terrorists would try to use liquids to make a bomb on a plane.
8
“I saw a piece on KIRO-TV last night about this Haq character. Apparently he was going to plead guilty as charged, but his lawyer (a public defender?) intervened to stop that. Shoot, if the guy had pled gu8ilty, the judge could convict and sentence the guy to death at that the same court proceeding. We could have had the guy executed before the six o’clock news! Lawyers! Can’t live with ‘em, can’t shoot ‘em!” Commentby Libertarian— 8/11/06@ 7:40 am
You don’t know much about law, do you? You know less than nothing about death penalty cases. Haq knows what he’s doing. If his public defender lets him plead guilty, he’s virtually assured of a new trial 10 years from now, and it’ll be 2050 before he’s executed.
Odd.
As you can probably see, the last line should read “No one could have predicted terrorists would try to use liquids to make a bomb on a plane.”
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“7 – Typical wingnut thinking – equates one whacked out guy with an entire religion. Shall I do the same for you and your religion whackbo?” Commentby For the Clueless— 8/11/06@ 7:54 am
Why not? In this case, it’s valid. I’ve never met a righty-fundie pseudo-Christian Taliban who wasn’t certifiably nuts! Most of them are drug addicts and alcoholics who keep falling off the sobriety wagon.
Pweeze Pweeze Mr. Bush I’m scaaaared. Pweeze Protect me from those scary A-rabs! (Sound of vigorous thump sucking)
14
“Mike Moore says there are no terrorists”
Cite please. My Bullshit Detector is clanging like a firebell.
15
“how can you look at yourself in the face and continue to know you are a pathological liar!” Commentby Mike Webb Sucks— 8/11/06@ 8:27 am
you manage it fine
18
““An Associated Press-Ipsos poll conducted this week found the president’s approval rating has dropped to 33 percent”
Interesting. That’s almost exactly the percentage of people who can’t remember when 9/11 happened.
19
Well at least one non-liberal here is somewhat grounded in reality. The rest are fiddling like Nero …
Clueless @ 23,
I see your “anti-semitic” side has finally been exposed. The link you condemn is simply pointing out the use of “Goebel’s Style” propaganda in an effort to demonize the jewish people.
I guess that any anti-semite would view the article in a derogatory manner.
21
“It’s clear national security is too important to be left to the GOP.” Commentby Another TJ— 8/11/06@ 8:56 am
The truest words ever written on this blog! One could add that the economy, federal budget, tax policy, education, environmental protection, food and drug safety, and everything else the government does, also is too important to be left to the GOP — which so far, defying all odds, has failed to do a single thing (no matter how minor) right.
30
Help me out here … so Coulter is more like, say, Goebbels than Himmler?
33.
You are being ironic, of course.
I’ve wondered for a while what would happen to an organization if it actually accomplished its goals. Would it disband?
For example, the Lung Association was formed to combat tuberculosis, which is pretty rare in the U.S. these days. What about the American Heart Association – if we develop a treatment which will reliably prevent heart attacks, will it disband or simply try to find another “cause”? What about the NAACP, which had its most notable successes in the elimination of enforced segregation and Jim Crow laws? If we were to find discrimination had largly dissapeared twenty years from now, would the association disband also?
But that now brings my mental wanderings to the Bush Administration. Despite all the Vietnam-era baggage carried by Kerry into the 2004 election (no pun intended), he came very close to winning that election. Indeed, there is considerable evidence that except for some blatantly political vote manipulation in Ohio, he would have won the election. But right before the final Presidential debate, a new Bin-Laden tape emerges in the media, and the discussion turns again to the “War on Terror”, and Bush squeeks by for another four-year term.
But what if Bush actually “won” his war on terror? What if the principle instigators were caught, tried, and imprisoned or executed, causing their supporters to lose heart and disband, vowing never again to challenge the United States or its allies? Given the performance of the Bush administration and the Republican Congress to date, would there be ANY reason for Americans to support Republicans in office?
So the fortunes of Bush and Bin-Laden are tied together. They need each other. Bin-Laden needs Bush and his blundering foreign policy to gather more recruits and financial support for his cause. If Bush were to be removed from office and a more rational foreign policy was pursued, then the support for Al Quida among Muslims would diminish. It is in Bin-Laden’s self-interest for Bush to remain in power (hence the October 2004 tape release). The Bush administration also needs Bin Laden and Al Quida. Everytime their poll numbers drop to new levels, they pray desperately for anything they can use to publicize a new “threat to America”, either real or imagined.
“I don’t think anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center, take another one and slam it into the Pentagon. [No one predicted] that they would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile.” (Press Briefing, 5/16/03)
The bipartisan Congressional inquiry into the September 11 attacks “confirmed that, before September 11, the Intelligence Community produced at least twelve reports over a seven-year period suggesting terrorists might use airplanes as weapons.” According to a news report summarizing the joint inquiry’s findings, “intelligence reports from December 1998 until the attacks said followers of bin Laden were planning to strike U.S. targets, hijack U.S. planes, and two individuals had successfully evaded checkpoints in a dry run at a New York airport.” (Reuters, 7/24/03)
45.
The first quote was by, of course, Condi Rice.
Tuttle @ 45,
I guess it’s finally time then to focus some of the blame on the 9/11 attack on the Clinton administration that first discovered the interest in the use of commercial aircraft as suicide weapons and did little or nothing to prevent it from happening.
Right Tuttle?
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But Harry, no one could have anticipated the breach of the levees.
And no one could have predicted the level of violence in Iraq.
Well, except for all the people who did anticipate those things, of course.
The only problem with the death penalty is that it is not implemented fast enough.
Check out the new Newsweek “CW Not Really Beach Reading Edition” this week:
Persons showing “down arrows” (their fortunes are falling) are: Bush, Rumsfield, Cong. GOPs, Lieberman, and M. Gibson.
Regarding Congressional Republicans, in included the comment: “Typical election-year scam: Crumbs for the workers, but only if super-rich get billions. Not this time, fellas.”
The only person with an “up arrow”: Will Farrow, for his movie Talledega Nights.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14207035/
As originally reported in Ron Suskind’s book, The One Percent Doctrine, and repeated in the Washington Post’s review of the book:
“The book’s opening anecdote tells of an unnamed CIA briefer who flew to Bush’s Texas ranch during the scary summer of 2001, amid a flurry of reports of a pending al-Qaeda attack, to call the president’s attention personally to the now-famous Aug. 6, 2001, memo titled “Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in US.” Bush reportedly heard the briefer out and replied: “All right. You’ve covered your ass, now.” ”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01211.html
Clinton Warns Against Biological, Computer Attacks
On the day of the Annapolis speech, I signed two more presidential directives on terrorism, PDD-62 created a ten-point counterterrorism initiative, assigning responsibility to various government agencies for specific functions, including the apprehension, return and prosecution of terrorists and the disruption of their networks; preventing terrorists from acquiring weapons of mass destruction; managing the aftermath of attacks; preventing protecting critical infrastructure and cybersystems; and protections of Americans at home and overseas.
PDD-62 also established the position of National Coordinator for Counterterrorism and Infrastructure Protection; I appointed Richard Clarke, who had been our point person on anti-terrorism from the start. He… was appropriately aggressive in his efforts to organize the government to fight terror. PDD-63 established a National Infrastructure Protection Center to prepare for the first time a comprehensive plan to protect our critical infrastructure, such as transportation, telecommunication and water systems.
–Bill Clinton, My Life p. 790
Condi Rice demoted Clarke, then sat on her butt when it came to terrorism, until just before the World Trade Center disaster.
It wasn’t that no one could foresee, just that the Bushies could not – or listen to those who could.
Thwarting the Airline Plot: Inside the Investigation
Exclusive: U.S. picked up the suspects’ chatter and shared it with British authorities; [………………………………………………………………………….Will Senator Chuckie “BOY” thank George Bush for saving his family, or will he whin and bitch like a 5 year old?]
Darrell@13&15 You are the one without a brain. You are the pathological liar. You can run, but you cannot hide. You can even get on that cycle and ride away as fast as you can. . .but > to no avail.
As many of those in the reality-based world have posted on this blog, the evidence of the Bushites’ failure to heed threats of terrorism and their incompetence in otherwise addressing terrorism is vast and compelling. Nonetheless, I read posts from the conservative fringe here that claim that Bush remains the man for the job. Aside from wilful blindness, continued support for Bush’s terrorist strategy is baffling. His supporters are like a parent who spanks his son when his daughter misbehaves. As long as someone gets spanked, the parent feels like the problem is solved.
Around 1:00am August 11th three men purchased cell phones from the Wal-Mart store on M-81 near the corner of M-24 in Caro. Wal-Mart places a limit on the number of cell phones that can be purchased at once, that number is three. The three men allegedly bought 80 by purchasing them three at time so that an alert wouldn’t be triggered by the cash register. They also paid cash.
An alert clerk grew suspicious and called Tuscola County central dispatch. The Caro Police Department sent a unit and stopped the rented van on M-81 just east of Caro. The suspects were headed towards Bad Axe on M-81 where there is another Super Wal-Mart.
The three men were described as being of Pakistani descent but live in Texas. Police say the three, ages 19, 22, and 23 appear to be naturalized citizens. One man was driving while the other two were in the back opening the phone packages with box cutters throwing the phones in one box, batteries in another and the packaging and phone charger in another container. The suspects had 1000 other cell phones in the van. There was also a bag of receipts showing that someone was in Wisconsin the day before.
The phones were Nokia Tracfones selling for $20 at Wal-Mart. For your twenty dollars you receive a phone charger and 40 minutes of airtime. The phones do not have to be registered with a name. Also discovered was a laptop with store addresses and store logos.
The men have been “cooperative, upfront, not hiding” anything according to police. They also told officers they get stopped frequently and say they buy the phones for $20 and sell them elsewhere for $38. They sell them without the packaging or charger.
The Caro Police Department, the FBI and the Homeland Security Terrorism Taskforce are involved in the case.
The Caro Police Department is holding the suspects property while awaiting arrival of the FBI. FBI wants to talk to the three men who are not in custody. [……………………………………………………………………………….Miss “IDF” Goldie, Look here! Bush is violating these young Democrats rights to privacy!!! Can’t you and the ACLU do something!!!]
As many of those in the reality-based world have posted on this blog, the evidence of the Bushites’ failure to heed threats of terrorism and their incompetence in otherwise addressing terrorism is vast and compelling.
Commentby proud leftist [………..PL, I wonder if Senator Chuckie Boy Schumer, DEMOCRAT, NY, feels the same way this morning???? hehe, JCH]
Roger Rabbit @ 36
You were right to question this statement because Michael Moore never said there were no terrorists. He said that there was no “terrorist threat” in reference to the massive overhyping of terrorism during the Bush Administration’s 1st and 2nd term. He said there were acts of terrorism indeed, but to think that there is some grand terrorist threat is erroneous.
Tuttle @ 53,
Signing orders and providing “window dressing” as a substitute for action is hardly substantive.
Your post really proves what I said before in my previous post about Pres. Clinton’s failure to actually act on the threats he knew were there.
As for Clark, simply crying in front of cameras and apologizing doesn’t take away or neutralize the fact that he was, in fact, an incompetent politico that really has never had the manhood or guts to take responsibility for his own lack of action.
This was the classic trademark of the Clinton Administration, substitute studies and research for action.
40 – Knee goes jerk. Whackbo, I didn’t even click on the link. I don’t care if the link pointed to the periodic table of elements. The url says it all – H A T E.
And of course, that brand of H A T E means if you call it out, you’re automatically branded an “anti-semite”.
Whackbo is as whackbo does.
The Goebbels Propaganda machine continuues its campaign of lies against the Jewish people. Remember, you first have to demonize an ethnic group before you can get support to eliminate them.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/S.....2FShowFull
Clueless @ 61,
Then maybe you would want to try the link I just posted to the Jerusalem Post. Or is that another “hate speech” site?
an·ti-Sem·ite (ăn’tē-sĕm’īt’, ăn’tī-)n.
One who discriminates against or who is hostile toward or prejudiced against Jews.
If the shoe fits clueless, then you might as well put it on…..
Whackbo – you could post a thousand links and I wouldn’t bother to click on any of them. You and your ilk aren’t worth that much of my time.
jaybo @ 62,
I read a piece in Vanity Fair cncerning Anti-Semitism in France. I was pretty shocked to read that the French, as a group, are very Anti-Semitic. As a matter of fact, many Frenchmen couldn’t wiat to help the Nazis, during occupation, to round up the Jews to get them on trains to Dachau and Auchwitz (SP?).
Even the Brits have quite an Anti-Semetic streak. There were many folks in pre-WWII Britain who thought Hitler was a pretty good guy, and that his policies regarding Europe’s Jews were peachy-keeno. Of coure, once the war started, those sentiments evaporated, for a time. Many beleive current BBC reporting is slanted against Jews and Israel. So, you’re correct: the Goebbels propaganda machine is still cranking out product.
clueless @ 64,
I guess that there is now no doubt about it. What I find particularly ironic is that you frequent a website that is run by an ethnic jew.
You must have a hard time with that one………..
66 – Doubt about what whackbo? Tell you what. Invite your little green thuggish friends over here and let them do searches for anti-semitic slurs.
Maybe we’ll be finally rid of JCH for good!
Jaybo at 60: “Signing orders and providing “window dressing” as a substitute for action is hardly substantive.”
No kidding. Just like the whole creation of the Homeland Security Department. Lots of money spent – on new letterhead, signs, and jackets with logos, but little of substance. I’m still wondering how the SuperMall in Auburn qualified for a Homeland Security grant as a “National Landmark”. Or how about the recruiters for TSA screeners who set up shop in Vail, Colorado (rather than Denver), and expressed surprise at how few applicants made the trip to visit them? (On the bright side, their golf game wasn’t interrupted much during the two weeks they were there). Besides, don’t we already have an intelligence agency designed to collect and sort the intelligence from the different agencies? I think it was called the “Central Intelligence Agency”, or something like that? If the agencies weren’t talking to each other, who’s fault is that – perhaps the one in charge (Bush?).
Those of us who are intimately involved in import/export business know all about “signing documents” and “window dressing”. Because that’s all that has happened in connection with all the Homeland Security funding which has been wasted on anti-terrorism initiatives.
One of the biggest threats to the U.S. is the threat of a “dirty bomb” or chemical/biological weapons which might be smuggled into the U.S. in a shipping container. But the U.S. is still very sadly deficient in providing any method of identifying those shipments. Instead, importers are now required to sign and file additional forms which in effect promise, under penalty of perjury, that there is nothing unlawful contained in the shipment, and that we are aware of its contents.
Of course, this will be a great deterrent against terrorists. We all know that a terrorist, when faced with the prospect of having to sign an official document under penalty of perjury, will throw up his hands in horror and run away, in mortal fear of committing perjury, thereby abandoning their plot against the U.S. It’s all window-dressing, an attempt to make it look like something is being done, when in effect even less is being done than before.
The following link gives you a very good summary of the extent of the propaganda effort against the nation of Israel (you can skip over this one clueless).
For those of you that want to see both sides of the debate it is the best summary that I have seen to date. It is shown in the form of a video.
http://littlegreenfootballs.co.....&only
65: Anti-Semitism was pretty common throuout Eurpope and the U.S. prior to WWII. Hitler didn’t invent it, he just took advantage of it and carried it to its most terrorizing extreme.
Once the concentration camps were liberated, a lot of effort was made to record the evidence in the form of photos, film, and witness statements. The extent of the atrocity was so great, the military commanders were afraid that anyone who didn’t see it for themselves would be inclined not to believe it.
The reaction from the public release of this evidence, and the ensuing Nuremburg trails, did a lot to create sympathy for the jews and change a lot of minds regarding anti-semetic prejudices. But that was a while ago, and it seems there are always some who are willing to believe virtually any lie about the holocaust being a “jewish consipracy”, despite the overwhelming credible evidence to the contrary.
rhp @ 68,
If you really were in the import/export business, then you would already know that you would be out of a job right now if 100% of the containers had to be inspected. It is a logistical impossibility.
They currently use a matrix (of sorts) to ID those containers that pose the highest risk and inspect them at the ports.
I guess you job as a custodian, cleaning the office of an import/export company doesn’t give you access to that, does it…………..
If it would get Democrat votes, would the DNC help the Islamic terrorists by limiting our ability to listen to their cellphone calls to Muslimland or by limiting our ability to follow thie “wire transfers”? Why, yes, the Dems have tried both!! Democrats: Friends Of Islamic Terrorists!
68 “One of the biggest threats to the U.S. is the threat of a “dirty bomb” or chemical/biological weapons which might be smuggled into the U.S. in a shipping container.”
No shit, Sherlock. Both of our Senators (along with many others from coastal states) have been hollering about port security for the last six years, and except for occasionally searching for drugs or illegal aliens, the Feds do nothing. It seems an interesting parallel with the dramatic easing of airport security in the summer of ’01.
“I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.” – Will Rogers.
Jaybo at 69:
“For those of you that want to see both sides of the debate it is the best summary that I have seen to date. It is shown in the form of a video.”
I agree that photoshopping the images was stupid, especially as the original image seems to show as much damage as the photoshopped one, and I really can’t see that three missiles are automatically worse than one. Three missiles at a rocket launcher might be wasteful, but it’s understandable. One missile at a well-marked UN outpost is just wrong.
However, giving us a link to Aish Hatorah (via LGF) and claiming that this is a more balanced view seems, well, if this whole thing wasn’t so tragic it would be laughable.
Many people don’t seem to understand that Israel is literally fighting for its life against enemies that would “drive it into the sea”. I do understand that.
But, even when someone is defending themselves, it is not acceptable to routinely kill innocents. One Israeli, speaking to reporters, said “for every Israeli killed, we should kill 1000 Lebanese”. Hopefully, that thought is not echoed throughout Israel, or this will never end. You might also note that he said “Lebanese”, not “Hezbollah”.
To put it another way. Someone is shooting at you, from behind a group of children. You have a gun. It is not acceptable to shoot through the children, even in self defense. Another way must be found, and strangly enough, in situations just like that when the option of shooting through the children is removed, other ways always seem to be found.
This is generating a whole new batch of people with reason to hate Israel, while weakening the only other democratic country in the region.
Seems like a bad move on Israel’s part. Hopefully, the UN will find the courage to step in and stop this before more people die. Yes, Hezbollah will probably rearm, and in a little while will be lobbing rockets across the border again, while Israel goes back to blowing up rocket launchers whenever they can be found, even when they’re inside a hospital.
(Oh, and I agree that putting rocket launchers inside Mosques and hospitals is just as evil as blowing up Mosques and hospitals. There’s no shortage of blame in this mess.)
That level of violence is bad, but at least it’s better than what we’re seeing today, and with the hatred that is apparent on both sides, is probably the best we can hope for.
Jaybo at 71: Yes, they select some containers to screen. I won’t print the percentage here (we don’t want to encourage anyone to try), but its pretty discouraging. If you think that’s good enough, go ahead and feel happy in your ignorance.
And I do indeed work with imports and exports on a daily basis. Its part of my job, and its not janitorial. I deal with freight forwarders, customs brokers, traffic managers, shipping/trucking companies, and U.S. Customs regularly. I am involved with imports from both Europe and Asia, and exports to Asia. I was in Asia two weeks ago on business. If you can match that, go ahead and try. Let’s start with this question: How do you ship hazardous materials to Xiamen, China? (bonus points for the correct answer).
But that’s more than enough info about me on this board. There are too many maliscious trolls here.
John @ 74,
Do you mean the same UN that sat in southern Lebanon for years and watched Hezbollah arm and dig themselves in in direct contradiction to the UN Resolution that put them there in the first place?
Give me a break…….
Whackbo when confronted with a flood of information and thoughtful comment, what does he do?
Sidesteps, denigrates.
Pathetic.
Ignoring the various divisions and antipathies between extreme and violent Islamic groups around the world, divisions that a smart Commander in Chief would exploit in order to defeat them all, “Islamic fascism” is a term of abuse cooked up by nutjobs like the LGF crowd for the uniform and monolithic enemy they imagine, the boogeyman they use to justify the destruction of Americans’ freedoms at home and mass murder abroad. Imagined this way, the enemy is a kind of blank check for any barbarism that might temporarily assuage their overall impotence (in other words, using terrorists as an excuse to torture random people makes a conservative feel like a man … for a little while).
Perfect. Describes a little “green” man like whackbo to a tee.
jaybo at various
We sure as hell won’t get effective container inspection as long as Republicans control Congress and vote against homeland security funding:
Nov. 14, 2001: Senate Democrats propose $15 billion for homeland security; the White House warns against “permanent spending on other projects that have nothing to do with stimulus and that will only expand the size of government.”
Dec. 4, 2001: Senate Appropriations Committee votes 29-0 in favor of $13.1 billion for homeland security; the next day, Bush threatens to veto it.
Dec. 6, 2001: Senate Republicans reduce homeland security funding by $4.6 billion.
Dec. 19, 2001: Under pressure from White House, House-Senate conferees eliminate another $200 million of funding for airport security, port security, nuclear facility security, and postal security.
June 7, 2002: Senate votes 71-22 for $8.3 billion of homeland security funding; the next day, Bush’s advisors recommend a veto.
July 19, 2002: Under White House pressure, homeland security funding is further reduced by cutting money for food security, cyber security, nuclear security, airport security, port security, drinking water security, coordination of police and fire radios, and lab testing to detect chem-bio weapons.
Aug. 13, 2002: Bush decides not to spend $2.5 billion appropriated for homeland security on the grounds of “fiscal responsibility.”
Jan. 16, 2003: White House reacts to Democratic efforts to increase homeland security funding by stating, “The Administration strongly opposes amendments to add new extraneous spending.” Later that day, Senate Republicans vote against funds for smallpox vaccine.
Jan. 23, 2003: Senate Republicans cut security funding for the FBI, FEMA, INS, TSA, Coast Guard, and National Nuclear Security Administration.
Feb. 3, 2003: Bush submits a 2004 budget cutting homeland security funding by nearly 2 percent.
Feb. 14, 2003: Senate Democrats request money for smallpox vaccine, police and fire radios, and public transportation security; no Republicans support it.
March 21-25, 2003: Republicans defeat 7 amendments to bolster homeland security.
April 2, 2003: Senate Republicans reject Democratic amendment to provide $1 billion for port security.
April 3, 2003: Republicans reject protection of commercial airliners from shoulder-fired missiles and four other pro-homeland security amendments.
June 2003: House Republicans reject Democratic proposal to raise $1 billion for homeland security by reducing tax cuts for 200,000 millionaires by an average of $5,000 each (from $88,000 to $83,000).
Source: James Carville, “Had Enough?” (New York: Simon & Schuster, 2003), pp. 41-43.
Currently, about 1/2 of 1% of containers are inspected. Democrats want 100% inspection; Republicans think the status quo is just fine. So let me ask you all this:
Who is really the national security party? (Hint: Not the party that the GOP wants you to think it is.)
Oh Clueless One:
From Time Online: “Thwarting the Airline Plot: Inside the Investigation
Exclusive: U.S. picked up the suspects’ chatter and shared it with British authorities; new federal alert warns that peroxide-based explosives could also be employed in future attacks in the U.S.”
Dipstick Clueless: Inane & insane.
So, why will the Bush administration quickly imply a link between these plotters with Al Quida, when the British who made the arrests will not? Commentby rhp6033— 8/11/06@ 9:12 am
Moron: Read the Wall Street Journal Opinion Page. But… that would mean you can read, which is problematic coming from a liberal public school education. The British are fearful to use the word islamofascist. Read the article from a British Journalist!
Three Middle Eastern Men Found With 1000 Cell Phones, Now Face Charges.
JCH Kennedy,
they needed those 1000 cell phones so they could send electoral info to Goldie so the wascally Republicans could not check on them.
they needed those 1000 cell phones so they could not be tracked when they called their overseas handlers.
they needed those 1000 cell phones so they could launder their money so the ACLU could make a case for them.
81 – and your point is? Of course, there is no point. How can anyone expect one from a lunatic like you?
Wingnut Obsession sucks: a loon and an emasculted little “green” man to boot!
Sucks at 82: I haven’t read the WSJ today. Maybe I will later, if I have the time.
But in general, there is a big difference between the opinion page, which contains a mixture of editorials and other selected opinions, and the rest of the paper. The WSJ news department is excellent, the three front-page stories are usually very reliable and well-informed. The WSJ editors, however, tend to be Republican and use the editorial/opinion pages to campaign for conservative views. Sometimes the front-page articles and the editorial page are completely at odds with one another.
So, Moron/Sucks, do you only read the opinion pages which agree with your preconceived notions, or do you read the rest of the paper?
I find it interesting that you consider anybody who did not attend a prep school or private college an illiterate moron. The general public will be interested to hear that this is the opinion of yet one more fervent Republican, a strong backer of President Bush. Keep at it, and in a couple of weeks you can run everyone away from the Republican party. You are showing them what the Republican Party really thinks of them, even while they try to manipulate them into continuing to vote for the GOP tax-cuts-for-Paris-Hilton agenda.
Help me out here … so Coulter is more like, say, Goebbels than Himmler? Commentby Roger Rabbit— 8/11/06@ 9:30 am
Rabbit you remind me of Eichmann? Any questions?
THE DOW INDUSTRIALS FELL 36.34 points to 11088.03 Friday as strong retail-sales data sparked concerns about another rate increase by the Fed. Investors were also on edge ahead of key inflation data due next week. 5:24 p.m.
OH NO, I thought the moonbats said the economy SUCKS? Well Mike Webb still does!
rhp: Wingnut Moron Obsession Sucks’ “entry drug” into the hell of right-wing propaganda addiction was one of two sources: Rush Limbaugh or the WSJ Editorial page. As an organ of deceit, the WSJ Editorial Page has few equals. It’s the unadulterated refined stuff compared to Limbaugh’s hacked up bullcrap.
81 – and your point is? Of course, there is no point. How can anyone expect one from a lunatic like you? Wingnut Obsession sucks: a loon and an emasculted little “green” man to boot! Commentby For the Cluless— 8/11/06@ 3:33 pm
The head moron of AssesHorse doesn’t remember what he wrote in #20. Listening intelligence. Suck a dickhead. Howcan says you are aptly named. She is CORRECT as always! If there was Cialis for the mind you’d be their first customer Clueless One. You can’t get your mind up for a debate, let alone verbal jabs on AssesHorse!
“I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.” – Will Rogers.
Jaybo at 76
“Do you mean the same UN that sat in southern Lebanon for years and watched Hezbollah arm and dig themselves in in direct contradiction to the UN Resolution that put them there in the first place?”
Yes, since the Swiss are too smart to take on this can of worms, I mean that UN, unless you can find another international outfit that can do the job. While Lebanon and Hezbollah would probably prefer the Arab League, and Israel would prefer to just hold onto the land as a buffer, neither of these is an acceptable answer.
And also yes, it probably means going back to the status quo before this current mess started, with Hezbollah trying to kill Israelis, and Israel shooting back at anything that looks like it might be a threat, including kids with slingshots.
The alternatives are a widening conflict, with Lebanon finally getting tired of having its capital bombed, asking Syria and the Arab League for help and starting a region-wide conflict.
We’re stretched a bit thin, so Israel would be pretty much on its own. Since Israel is probably a nuclear power, this might well leave Damascus, Tehran and perhaps a few other cities without a need for streetlights, as what few roads that would be left would have a bluish glow at night, and the US would no longer be the only country to have used nuclear weapons.
What do we get then? Well, neither the French, nor the Russians are great friends of Israel, and they both have nukes.
I’m old enough to remember nuclear blast drills in school. Remember the old joke about getting under your desk, putting your head between your knees, and…
While some here may disagree, I think going back to the old status quo is a better option. Killing on the retail level is bad, but killing off whole countries is worse, and I was really hoping to avoid WW III.
Wingnut Moron Obsession Sucks aka MWS aka Puddybud aka Darrell:
You and the rest of your band of merry morons you love to cite in your worthless comments are way overdue for a November comeuppance coupled with a severe holiday hangover!
I can hardly wait!
Darrell@13&15 You are the one without a brain. You are the pathological liar. You can run, but you cannot hide. You can even get on that cycle and ride away as fast as you can. . .but > to no avail. Commentby killatroll/saveablog— 8/11/06@ 10:52 am
Wow, now I am being called Puddy. Is that a blessing or a curse. I have been accused of being the same as Mr Internet (per GBS). Thanks Tree Frog Farmer. Good try. Were you the same guy who accused PacMan and Puddy of being the same too? Keep guessing KillaTreeFrog!
Roger Rabbit @ 36
You were right to question this statement because Michael Moore never said there were no terrorists. He said that there was no “terrorist threat” in reference to the massive overhyping of terrorism during the Bush Administration’s 1st and 2nd term. He said there were acts of terrorism indeed, but to think that there is some grand terrorist threat is erroneous.
Commentby Apollo— 8/11/06@ 11:11 am
Yes Apollo, if there is no terrorist threat, then there are no terrorists, right? I used poetic license. Too bad you lefties use it all the time.
As for Clark, simply crying in front of cameras and apologizing doesn’t take away or neutralize the fact that he was, in fact, an incompetent politico that really has never had the manhood or guts to take responsibility for his own lack of action.
This was the classic trademark of the Clinton Administration, substitute studies and research for action. Commentby jaybo— 8/11/06@ 11:24 am
But Jaybo, Richard Clarke did grew some; Look on the Internet and you can find numerous sources of Richard Clarke authorizing the Bin Laden family out including his own book on Amazon.com.
rhp6033 wrote: Sucks at 82: I haven’t read the WSJ today. Maybe I will later, if I have the time.
I am using the Garry Guttle method of slinging crap on the blog and no URLs. Have a great day!
Mike(Darrell)@various You’d better hurry, , ,sundown is coming soon. Lie and spew. Maybe you can make some more outlandish claims as SuckyClownConservative like you have as thepudwhacker.
PudwhackerMikeDarrell@95 That’s a pretty small town you live in. . . .
KillaTree: You came out of hiding. If I was Puddy where am I? Tell me! Keep guessing. I don’t write like him or act like him.
You’re not nearly as smart as you think you are Darrell. . .you’re registered to vote. How did Peugeot Engine turn out?
SuckyClownConservative(Darrell)PudWhacker@98 You are like the cat ‘hiding’ behind the tree with his tail hangin’ out. . .
Three Middle Eastern Men Found With 1000 Cell Phones, Now Face Charges.
JCH Kennedy,
they needed those 1000 cell phones so they could send electoral info to Goldie so the wascally Republicans could not check on them.
they needed those 1000 cell phones so they could not be tracked when they called their overseas handlers.
they needed those 1000 cell phones so they could launder their money so the ACLU could make a case for them.
Commentby Mike Webb Sucks […………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..Mike Webb Sucks, Perhaps you should consider joining the “Kennedy Band Of Brothers” on HA.ORG by adding the name “Kennedy” to your posting name. Think about it. Us Kennedys rape, murder, drive and drive, and these dumb ass libs vote for us in EVERY election. By adding the name “Kennedy” you will join Rufus, Mark the Redneck, JCH, Pud, and, shit…………who am I missing? Anyway, this drives the commie libs nuts as they know they are dumb ass hypocites who feel that the Kennedys are “just a little more equal” than the rest of Americans. Best regards, JCH “Pat” Kennedy]
101,………cont………Sorry, I forgot “Dan Rather Kennedy”!!!!!! Dan, I’m sorry. My bad!!!!!!!!!!! JCH Kennedy
I thought MWS was Kevin Cairns per rabbit pellet. Maybe I am MWS. killatreefrog and Cluless (your spelling) are real stupid. I SEE BS I CALL ON YOU ON IT
bye
Spelling corrected. Thank you – NOT!
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