I can’t stand the heat so I’m getting into a cool, air-conditioned studio tonight on “The David Goldstein Show” — Newsradio 710-KIRO, from 7PM to 10PM. Here’s the line-up, but as always, things could change depending on breaking news and guest availability.
7PM: Hot enough for you? Sure feels like global warming. Is modern society to blame for our massive carbon emissions? Or perhaps “God has already started punishing us” for abandoning his ways? We’re gonna talk about the weather… and if that doesn’t get folks hot underneath the collar, perhaps we’ll spend a little time talking about the escalating war in Lebanon.
8PM: Is our democracy being undermined by greedy corporate interests? Political strategist, journalist and blogger David Sirota joins me to discuss his bestselling book HOSTILE TAKEOVER: How Big Money & Corruption Conquered Our Government — And How We take It Back. Sirota has served as a press secretary for Rep. Bernie Sanders, a fellow at the Center for American Progress and as a senior strategist to Gov. Brian Schweitzer of Montana. He is a frequent contributor to several national publications and a twice-weekly guest on The Al Franken Show. Sirota will be speaking and signing books Thursday, July 27, 7:30 PM at Seattle’s Town Hall.
9PM: Has the Republican Party abandoned its libertarian base? Are small “l” libertarians abandoning the Republican Party? Joining me to answer that question is local blogger Lee Rosenberg (Blog Reload,) a self-described libertarian and the co-host of the Seattle chapter of Drinking Liberally. Huh? How can he be both? In a lengthy and oddly titled post, Lee explores the inherent contradictions of economic libertarian absolutism, and describes how an increasingly authoritarian Republican Party is driving social libertarians to support Democrats. Also, be sure to check out Glenn Greenwald’s controversial post: Libertarians and the Republican Party — Irreconcilable Differences.
Tune in tonight (or listen to the live stream) and give me a call: 1-877-710-KIRO (5476).
Hmmm. I think you better update us on $30 tabs initiative too and Eyeman’s press conference tomorrow.
Are you back in town? Doing a remote?
Cheap labor conservatives don’t produce anything. They live on the labor of others. Making other people work so you don’t have to, is the whole point of being a Republican.
Thought for the day — When life hands you Lebanons, make Lebanonade.
If my SUV is the problem, then howcum there is also global warming on Mars? Are little green men there also driving SUVs?
“…greedy corporate interests…” LMAO
To be a librul, you have to believe that oppression comes from corporations and freedom comes from government.
You guys really are pathetic fucking idiots…
Read a great piece today called “Give War A Chance”. Read it at real clear politics… makes the case that Israel should go into Lebanon and clean out the assholes that are causing the problem. Only when your enemy’s ability to make war is destroyed can their be lasting peace.
I think war is a great idea if we can get Mark The Cowardly Redneck and his ilk to go fight it.
Erik wrote: Hmmm. I think you better update us on $30 tabs initiative too and Eyeman’s press conference tomorrow.
Who?
It’s becoming increasingly clear that SOS office shitcanned 35,000 signatures for 917. Tim turned in 303,353 signatures and has the receipt from SOS to prove it.
Queen Christine just plain doesn’t want to hear from all those Inconvenient People and their votes.
Authoritarian personalities like MTR can’t grasp that life isn’t always white/black, either/or, good/evil. And as a narcissist, he assumes that everyone else thinks the same way he does (e.g., in No. 6 above).
Thus, MTR thinks he is saying something intelligent when he insists that all liberals (re: anyone who disagrees with him) believe that only corporate oppression should be fought.
It’s too bad that MTR’s brain operates with such simplistic dualities, because it keeps him from recognizing how much diversity of opinion there is on the “left” side of the political spectrum.
The result is that MTR’s comments have a stick-figure quality. Yet everyone who disagrees with him is a “pathetic fucking idiot.”
Quite the intellectual achievement, MTR.
Thumb – Does it hurt to be so fucking stoopid? Here’s the way it works. I use my extensive education, superior intellect and lifetime of experiences to cut through the bullshit, apply fundamental principles and come up with a clear unambiguous answer to complex issues. In my work in the engineering business, I do it every fucking day and I am well compensated for it.
You pathetic gummint bureaucrat parasites are under no such constraints. You can sit around all day and do your mental masturbation while forcing The Producers to pick up the tab.
Beautifully put, MTR. You’re 11 on a scale of 10.
Thumb – What you’re really trying to get to of course, is the particularly UnMurkan idea that political issues are so complex that The People should have no say in them because it is beyond their ability to comprehend. Instead, what you Murka Haters would like is for their to be a ruling class (which you would run according to moonbat religious doctrine) that would leave The People out of things.
Sorry, not gonna happen. Those of us who really do have the intellect and moral character to decide the important issues of the day WILL be heard.
Thumb – I challenged you yesterday to showcase your intellect here and take on the all knowing MTR on any topic. Haven’t seen a response yet.
Didn’t think so…
Welsher – you’re perceiving “hot” because your head is up your ass.
Pay your gambling debt…
Wow! Mark, your commentary is the gift that just keep on giving. You have the stage; what other pearls of wisdom do we desperately need to hear from you?
GT don’t get into a battle of wits with an unarmed 13-year old sex offender. It’s beneath you. Mark the cowardly redneck is obviously sick.
I think war is a great idea if we can get Mark The Cowardly Redneck and his ilk to go fight it.
Commentby LeftTurn— 7/23/06@ 5:29 pm
The republicans already do fight the wars. What? There are significant numbers of lefties in the military?hahahahahahahaha Why the hell do you think the left bends over backwards to keep the military from voting. Of course if DNC ever gets hit by terrorists I say we should practice restraint. You know tell the terrorists that we are sorry and to warn us the next time they attack. Hehehe
Hey Ruffed up the ass how come you aren’t in Iraq? Don’t you support your pretend president? Maybe you think this is a good war only so long as you don’t have to go fight right? Fucking hypocrite coward.
It’s becoming increasingly clear that SOS office shitcanned 35,000 signatures for 917.
Breaking news: the “SOS” is a republican who you voted for.
1. MTR discussing “moral character” always amuses me. Remember him condoning Eyeman lying to the religious folk “helping” him on the initiative?
2. MTR never engaged on the issue of the peer review of climate change articles nor did he ever acknowledge his clear wrong-headedness on CFC’s. You will not see elevated skin cancer in Antarctica.
@21- MTR never let’s silly facts like how the government is really organized slow his arguements.
I doubt anyone would be surprised if told that the military has an unusually large number of “conservatives” in its ranks. Why on earth would a pacifist join the Army?
The problem with Rufus’ argument is that it never rises above white/black, good/evil dualities.
For example, Rufus can’t acknowledge that a principled pacifist (as opposed to an opportunistic coward like Dick Cheney) can be as patriotic as an Army enlistee. The very idea would seem to make Rufus’ brain sputter like a defective fire cracker. Yet that equivalency is very much part of what it means to live in a nation built upon political pluralism. We have a right to disagree about war as much as anything else.
Rufus also doesn’t acknowledge that people in the military are not a monolithic beast lacking in independent thinking skills. There were a host of distinguished military leaders who argued against the Iraq invasion, and recent opinion polls of soldiers stationed in Iraq hardly show unanimous support for the continuation of the American occupation.
All wars are not created equal. One could go on and on quoting famous military leaders about the need for restraint in international relations. But such subtlety does not fit Rufus’ debating style, which has great similarities to MTR’s.
Roger and Gang now that we are building a tunnel to replace the Alaska Viaduct today according to the Mayor of Seattle. Would you feel very safe that it will be completed like the one in Boston? Would the vision be like the Seattle Monorail and the progress like the light rail to nowhere and the service like Metro Bus service? What would be the final cost (like the big dig in Boston) for this project and how much will the Taxpayers have to pay in hidden taxes? Will it have six lanes that merge into two in the middle of the tunnel and exits to nowhere? You know like I5 in Seattle that they have no expectation to fix due to lack of engineering skill sets for the leaders running the city of Seattle. Hell lets have Roger Rabbit do all the digging and save lots of money on the project.
July 23, 2006
BOSTON –Only 4 percent of Massachusetts adults would feel “very” safe driving through the tunnels of the Big Dig, according to a poll taken in the aftermath of a collapse that killed a motorist. The poll, published in The Boston Sunday Globe, found that 68 percent would feel “not very” or “not at all” safe driving through the tunnels.
http://www.boston.com/news/loc.....n_big_dig/
Do Mommy Erf a favor and
Don’t Recycle.
Do Mommy Erf a favor and
Don’t Drive a Hybrid.
So Mark, how’s your love life these days? Are you just dating, or are you getting serious with anyone? If latter, is she very different from you ex?
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You are entitled to your own opinion GT but not to your own facts. In the military you will always have a small minority of people who are against war. That said the overwhelming majority is for it. We are not in a draft situation so there are plenty of republicans who are serving right now. The most important thing the average republican can do right now vote in large numbers to overcome those soldiers who vote will not count. The fight at home is just as important as the fight abroad.
#5 Hey, Mark…why don’t you take your SUV to Mars and find out?
Don’t you just love it when the soldier of fortune wannabe types who dodged the draft and then avoided combat or military service like a $2 whore hold court on military tactics? Fucking right wing hypocrite cowards like MTR are the exact reason we shoudn’t be in Iraq.
So leftturd when they come over here I’ll be sure to send them looking for you.
I’ll enumerate some of your wonderful qualities, similar to those most islamofascists hate. You have others but I have shown them over and over already.
Gay Marriage
Abortion
Accusing others of lies without proof
Wanting to break marriage vows of others
Hinting at sex out of wedlock
I also forgot, you hate religion. Well when the bearded mullahs come to you what will you say leftturdy?
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Shut up and pay your gambling debt, welsher.
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Corporations give workers over age 50 freedom from employment.
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If you love the god of war so much, why don’t you offer yourself as a sacrifice?
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“Queen Christine just plain doesn’t want to hear from all those Inconvenient People and their votes.” Commentby Mark The Redneck— 7/23/06@ 5:40 pm
Hey dummy, the SOS is a Republican. Pay your gambling debt.
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The real reason MTR can’t attract women, besides being a wife beater and woman hater, is because he’s queer. He and Pudpounder love each other.
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“Here’s the way it works. I use my extensive education, superior intellect and lifetime of experiences to cut through the bullshit, apply fundamental principles and come up with a clear unambiguous answer to complex issues. In my work in the engineering business, I do it every fucking day and I am well compensated for it.”
Hey Einstein, does your extensive education, superior intellect, and lifetime of experiences work on SIMPLE problems, too? OK, here’s a SIMPLE problem for you to solve:
You made a bet.
You lost.
Pay up.
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“The republicans already do fight the wars.” Commentby RUFUS Fitzgerald Kennedy— 7/23/06@ 7:24 pm
Not including you, the other trolls on this board, or any serving GOP congressman, not to mention the Coward in Chief.
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The military may not be as Republican as MTR and Doofus would like to think it is. (But then, never having served, how would they know?)
“Corps Voters”
“For over two decades, the bond between the GOP and the U.S. military has been getting stronger. Since the invasion of Iraq, that may be changing.”
“By Benjamin Wallace-Wells
” … The American military is composed of thousands of men and women who have made … deeply personal … contracts with their friends and families: The soldiers promise to die, if needed, to defend your freedoms, and the civilians promise to honor them. … “Six months ago, that patriotic support extended to President Bush and the Republican Party. …
“But these attitudes have begun to change. … Soldiers’ wives ask reporters why their husbands are still being sent off to Iraq … months after the president said the war was over. Returned reservists, who saw their return dates pushed back again and again while they sat in a chaotic war zone, … say they didn’t sign up for this sort of treatment, and they won’t be reenlisting. …
“‘I’m a strong Republican, but the Republicans have been the problem; we’ve been treated like second-class citizens,’ a retired Vietnam Marine helicopter gunnery sergeant named Don Beaver told me in North Carolina.
“Elsie P. Smith, the town’s Republican mayor, says: ‘There’s a few people who have become very hostile [towards the Bush administration]. . . the longer the war goes on, the more of that subtle shift you’re going to see.’ … Rep. Walter B. Jones Jr. (R-N.C.) … said the administration treats vets like ‘second-class citizens.’ …
“A similar mood is emerging in small, patriotic towns around the country. According to a study … by Stars and Stripes, half of American soldiers in-country say their units have low morale, that they were insufficiently trained, and that they won’t reenlist. …
“Holly Rossi, whose husband, Rob, is an Army reserve engineer out of Londonderry, N.H., has watched the Family Support Group for his unit, wives who started the war as staunch pro-Bush patriots, come to doubt the political mission. ‘A lot of people feel tugged. We have built our lives around … patriotism no matter what, but we’re feeling very abandoned.’ Charles Carter, a retired Naval chief petty officer, told Knight Ridder: ‘I will vote non-Republican in a heartbeat if it continues as is.’ Carter’s opinion is representative. While the GOP hasn’t lost the military vote, if present trends continue, it could see substantial defections in one of its core constituencies. …
“Trying to suss out the voting patterns of the military, and the ways in which their professional frustrations and satisfactions spill over into politics, has always been a murky, Kremlinology-like game …. Scholars who study the politics of the military rely on what scraps of data they can assemble …. (T)he consensus view seems to be that the military as a whole votes Republican by a margin of slightly less than 2-to-1, with enlisted men and women Republican by 3-to-2, and Republicans outnumbering Democrats among officers by 8-to-1. …
“Historians think that during World War II, when most soldiers had grown up during the Roosevelt ’30s, the military was more Democratic than Republican. By the early ’60s, the ranks reflected the conservatism of the 1950s. Vietnam made the military even more conservative … (then) the all-volunteer military … gave the troops a different demographic cast. They were disproportionately Southern, rural, poor, and morally traditional – the cultural base which would drive Nixon’s Southern Majority and, 30 years later, Red America … perhaps more importantly, scholars say, men who had fought in Vietnam (felt) they had been abandoned by American liberals …. A profound cultural divide appeared to develop between civilians and the military …. Reagan’s … massaging of the military’s damaged, wound-licking ego, ‘gave the military back the respect it felt had been stripped from it by liberals after Vietnam,’ said David Segal of the University of Maryland, a sociologist who studies the American military. Soldiers became not only more Republican, but also more overtly political ….
“One important moderating influence, sociologists think, has been the presence of large numbers of uniformed African Americans and, later, Hispanics and women. … The blacks, Hispanics, and women in the military are less liberal and Democratic than blacks, Hispanics, and women in the general population, but they are also less conservative and Republican than white men in the Armed Forces.
…
“The military’s gripes with the (Bush) administration didn’t grow widespread until after we’d conquered Iraq; the problems with planning … translated into unpleasant realities for soldiers in the field. Many officers have become disenchanted with the continuing chaos in Iraq, and with the lengthening of in-country stays and the changing rotation schedules.
“‘What I’ve seen throughout the officer corps is a real pendulum swing over the last three or four months, from being pro-Bush to anti-Bush,’ Vandergriff said. ‘The officers at the middle levels, who are traditionally the most Republican, are frustrated … that there’s no exit strategy,’ and worry that ‘this conflict could just drag on and on.’
“Retired Gen. Anthony Zinni, who had been friendly enough with the Bush administration that he was sent last year as the president’s special emissary to the Israelis and Palestinians, last month called the administration’s policy a ‘brain fart.’
“Says Richard Kohn, a professor of history at the University of North Carolina and a scholar of the military: ‘It is my belief that the Iraq war may be what forces the officer corps to return to the old George C. Marshall model of non-partisanship.’
“Discontented enlisted men and women have a separate set of provocations …. Chief among these complaints is … the military has fought this war with too few troops. The war in Iraq is … brutal … day-to-day …. They are facing an enemy who is not easily identifiable; when they are too aggressive, they are criticized by the press, and when they are not aggressive enough, they are reprimanded by their superiors, if they don’t end up dead. … (S)oldiers in-country live for the date on which they can return stateside. But many of them have seen that date pushed back, and then pushed back again, and then pushed back again … this … is crushing to morale. …
“Christopher Parker, a former Army captain and a political scientist at the University of California-Santa Barbara, put it … bluntly: ‘What we’re seeing now is … this widespread sense among people in the military that they’re being jacked around.’ … Troops have been charged a dollar a minute to call home …. Tens of thousands of troops have been sent to Iraq with flak jackets from the Vietnam era which … can’t stop rounds … fired by the Iraqi enemy. The Pentagon, looking to trim costs last spring, floated a plan to eliminate the pay benefits soldiers got for serving in so-called ‘hostile areas’ … injured reservists were billed for food they were served while in the hospital. And veterans’ groups are up in arms over … a military regulation … that no retired soldier receiving his pension from the Department of Defense can also qualify for disability. … ‘There are six hundred thousand disabled veterans, and they are furious,’ Joseph Galloway, Knight Ridder’s esteemed military reporter, told me.
“Reservists may be the tipping point. The reserves have been summoned nine times in the last 12 years, to meet American obligations around the world, after having previously been summoned only six times since World War II. Reservists who have been sent to Iraq recently have found themselves vastly under-equipped. Things have gone so badly for the reservists that many senior officers … expect a staffing crisis when the current tours are up.
“The effect of all of this, says Andrew Bacevich, a retired Army colonel and professor of political science at Boston University, is that ‘the soldier vote and the pro-military vote are in play.’ …”
This excerpt is quoted under the Fair Use Doctrine; for complete article and/or copyright info, see http://www.washingtonmonthly.c.....wells.html
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“All wars are not created equal.” Commentby Green Thumb— 7/23/06@ 8:10 pm
But all wars are a horror; and war should be a last, not first, resort.
Of course, warmongers know war is horrible; that’s why those who beat the war drums loudest are always last to go off to war.
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MTR is serious with Pudwhacker. You might call them “bosom buddies.” hehehe
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Speaking of taking liberties with facts, how the hell would you know what the serving military personnel are for or against? Are you in the Army or Marines? No, didn’t think so. See #41. As you yourself said — you’re entitled to your own opinion, BUT YOU’RE NOT ENTITLED TO YOUR OWN FACTS.
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Me and my pals will dig the tunnel for you for $1 million and a trainload of CARROTS.
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“So leftturd when they come over here”
That’s the same argument you idiots used in ’68 … “if we don’t stop ’em in Nam, they’ll be on the Golden Gate Bridge.” Some people NEVER learn a damn thing.
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Hey klake, you fucking idiot, have the Bushies found Saddam’s USA-invasion plans yet?
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“Well when the bearded mullahs come to you what will you say leftturdy?” Commentby Puddybud Michael Kennedy— 7/23/06@ 10:53 pm
I’d love to hear what you say when you go to Hell for being a Republican.
Puddybutt, when the terrorists, whether they be from the Middle East, OR the TalibanChristianRight, come knocking at my door, they’ll get the business end of a 44 Mag.
And by the way it’s very hard to hear you over the screams of pleasure coming from your wife who does say hi!
http://rawstory.com/exclusives.....on_511.htm
THIS is the guy Baby Bush has trying to bring peace to the Middle East? He couldn’t even bring peace to his own bedroom! What a fucking perv! Way to go Georgie. I see you picked another winner!
Thy Kingdom Come: How the Religious Right Distorts the Faith and Threatens America
Great new book about the Taliban wing of the GOP!
Thy Kingdom Come: How the Religious Right Distorts the Faith and Threatens America
Great new book about the Taliban wing of the GOP!
“All wars are not created equal.†Commentby Green Thumb? 7/23/06@ 8:10 pm
But all wars are a horror; and war should be a last, not first, resort.
Of course, warmongers know war is horrible; that’s why those who beat the war drums loudest are always last to go off to war.
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 7/24/06 @ 12:59 am
Not true Roger and History proves that statement is wrong. Bad statement funny Rabbit
Isn’t left turd amazing sillyguy? He has nothing left in the tank so he still write offensive materials.
Pud D. Bud
Leftturdy: My wife wanted me to inform you that you are fully a nut case. Since she doesn’t believe in gay marriage as you do you have her mistaken for someone else.
Goldy: The wife has informed me that she will issue a cease and desist order if you continue to allow leftturn to slander her on this blog. His inference of her cheating on me is morally repugnant to her and is the fathest thing from the truth for these 26 years. He can attack me all he wants but she is FED UP with his crap!
I guess this would make news next week on the David Goldstein show, right David Goldstein? I’m sure your 30 listeners would really want to know how this played out.
If you stopped this crap with PacMan you would have had a cleaner blog. You chose to ignore it because they were lefty librul moonbats. Now Sillyguy called the ball. The ball is in your court. You make your call.
Darn. She also informed me a simple apology from left turn will not make it. Since this is your blog and you allow sexual attacks against her character, she expects to see an apology from you David Goldstein. Even Google has the attacks cached, so no amount of erasure will help now.
Oh, btw she ain’t bluffing, so if you know some good minority lawyers who are associated with the NAACP in Seattle; make her day David Goldstein. Even if we have to go public with our names, we’ll force you to go public with many of your idiot friends here. So if you THINK this is an idle threat we’ll have a great laugh in the end, especially when the national media sees the crap written by the likes of leftturd!
The clock is ticking for the public apologies.
I’m getting under Puddybutt’s skin ! ! ! YOHOO!
Now the funny part is Puddybutt trying to get a cease and decist order for slander – something Puddybutt does with every post here. Personally I wish you’d try Puddybutt because first of all, I don’t like banging your ugly wife all that much. Secondly, your sister is even uglier. Third is you did get some sort of order we’d be able to identify you and that’s something I am SURE a coward like you doesn’t want.
Now, on to your 18-year old daughter :)
By the way, you don’t like comments like this? Stop making them yourself or go somewhere else. You wouldn’t be the first right wing coward I’ve run off this board!
Roger, not all of the facts in your article are factual.
This is not. “And veterans’ groups are up in arms over … a military regulation … that no retired soldier receiving his pension from the Department of Defense can also qualify for disability. … ‘There are six hundred thousand disabled veterans, and they are furious,’
A regulation existed for years that applied to retirees pay. When you received disability – your military retired pay was reduced and offset by the same amount, so the resulting payment was only a tax deduction. You pay taxes on retired pay, but not on disability payments.
President Bush changed that a couple of years ago and authorized concurrent receipt of both retired pay and disability pay.
I get both………
The military has always charged everyone for meals in hospitals…. even if you don’t eat in the hospital. It always aggravates soldiers.
64 – Puddybud – you’re a freaking hypocrite. You slander people everyday on this board. You’ve slandered my daughter with your warped fantasies.
Shall I show your wife?
You cease and desist. Yeah, like that will ever happen.
The post was at 8:07. It’s now 9:59.
Cluesless: Good try. I didn’t make reference to me having sex with your daughter. Leftturdy did to my “daughter” and my wife. HE said he was FUCKING them. I NEVER said that. Goody try at deflection. I already started the wheels in motion. A bank cashiers check is ready to go!!! Notice the time delay in my posts?
So Leftturdy, do you really want to test me? Do you really want the NAACP picketing your house? If so, you and Goldy don’t answer by 48 Hrs.
Cluesless: The wife does read many of my posts. Her comment “That site is full of sickos. Why do you post?” My answer, Because these moonbats are lovers of debauchery and must be stopped.
You moonbats can attack me all day. I could care less. In fact I enjoy the repartee! I do this as a hobby. But, when you say you are FUCKING my wife, you stepped over the line.
Pud D. Bud
Conservatives certainly are potty-mouths.
Duly noted Leftturdy: “Now the funny part is Puddybutt trying to get a cease and decist order for slander – something Puddybutt does with every post here. Personally I wish you’d try Puddybutt because first of all, I don’t like banging your ugly wife all that much. Secondly, your sister is even uglier. Third is you did get some sort of order we’d be able to identify you and that’s something I am SURE a coward like you doesn’t want.
Now, on to your 18-year old daughter”
Duly noted.
So ATJ when you read the venom from a lefty moonbat librul your eyes defocus?
Because these moonbats are lovers of debauchery and must be stopped.
Puddybud, it’s obvious to anyone you revel in the debauchery as you call it. It’s why you keep coming back.
Ever since you’ve come here you’ve been flat out offensive – the remarks about my daughter only being a taste. What did you expect? That we’d just lie here and take your crap?
If you really wanted to “stop it”, you would have done something stupid like you’re going to do a long time ago.
Good luck on your action – NOT!
Pud,
If they’re not fucking LeftTurn, who ARE they fucking?
MTR
“Read a great piece today called ‘Give War A Chance.’ Read it at real clear politics… makes the case that Israel should go into Lebanon and clean out the assholes that are causing the problem. Only when your enemy’s ability to make war is destroyed can their be lasting peace. ”
UK Foreign Office Minister Kim Howells:
“The destruction of the infrastructure, the death of so many children and so many people: these have not been surgical strikes. If they are chasing Hizbollah, then go for Hizbollah. You don’t go for the entire Lebanese nation.”
French Defense Minister Michele Alliot-Marie:
“One cannot ask the Lebanese national army to disarm the militias and at the same time bomb the main Lebanese barracks…And unfortunately, more and more, we are seeing a number of bombardments that are hitting civilians, even convoys of people who were simply seeking to reach Beirut to find shelter have been hit by bombs.”
As Gideon Levy puts it, Israel “claims it has declared war on Hezbollah but, in practice, it is destroying Lebanon.”
MTR, even if a war against Hezbollah is justifiable, a war against Lebanon isn’t. Israel will gain nothing from continuing it.
Funny Daddy Love Funny
Puddybud,
Give it up, man. No slander suit can be successful when no one even knows who the allegedly slandered individual is because one of the elements of a slander action is that an individual’s reputation must suffer actual harm. If no one knows who your wife is, then how can her reputation have been harmed? I’d love to see your lawsuit caption: “Puddybud’s Wife v. LeftTurn.” How long do you think a court would entertain such nonsense? Moreover, no slander suit can be successful when the alleged defamatory statement is plainly not offered as truth. No one believes LeftTurn is actually doinking your wife. He’s plainly being satirical. Why is it that you fellows on the right are so freaking sensitive? Let it pass. You’ll live longer.
Re: “Conservative” soldiers:
http://www.zogby.com/NEWS/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1075
U.S. Troops in Iraq: 72% Say End War in 2006
– Le Moyne College/Zogby Poll shows just one in five troops want to heed Bush call to stay “as long as they are needed”
– While 58% say mission is clear, 42% say U.S. role is hazy
– Plurality believes Iraqi insurgents are mostly homegrown
– Almost 90% think war is retaliation for Saddam’s role in 9/11, most don’t blame Iraqi public for insurgent attacks
– Majority of troops oppose use of harsh prisoner interrogation
– Ninety-three percent said that removing weapons of mass destruction is not a reason for U.S. troops being there.
– Four in five said they oppose the use of such internationally banned weapons as napalm and white phosphorous.
LOoks like I have struck Gold here. Maybe the attacks will be at the individuals and not other family members except for Rabbit Pellet whom brags of his breeding habits.
Proud Leftist: That may be. AL\lready thought of that. But remember the issue of implication? We’ll identify ourselves in the suit. I can positively identify myself as Puddybud because I use that nick in other locations. This will force Goldy to identify Leftturdy and maybe more of his supporters. Ha ha ha ha ha.
You said “He’s plainly being satirical. Why is it that you fellows on the right are so freaking sensitive? Let it pass. You’ll live longer.”
Are these your definition of satire?
Limbaugh pees in a cup
Bush twins are drunken whores
Bush twins pull a train
Laura Bush killed a guy.
Ann Coulter is a guy
North Korea is GWB’s fault
Looks like the world’s biggest crack addict and transvestite has never written an original word in her miserable cowardly life.
Ralph Reed is a bitch
We’re knuckle-dragging, baby-raping right wingers
Bunch of fucking crooks. They should be hanged for treason. Today!
Republicans are cowards.
He fucked my “daughter”. – Don’t have any daughters!
He fucked my wife. – She isn’t interested in having to use the Hubble Telescope on full mag to find his dick!
Ordered the outing of a CIA agent – If so Fitz didn’t say it. Lie
Lied 40000 times about the war in Iraq – Oh really? Repeated the 1998 Donko lies you mean?
Created the biggest trade deficit in history – Debatable
Let Osama get away a month before 9.11 and then let Osama’s family get away after 9.11 Lie – Richard CLarke did
Tried to turn our ports over to Arab control – Mistake, he took Bill Clinton’s suggestion
Screwed up the immigration situation
And my personal favorite, got down on all fours, stuck his ass in the air and invited N. Korea to collectively fuck him in the ass because he’s afraid to fight any country that ACTUALLY DOES HAVE WMD!
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Be sure to put in extensive reference to the maurading bunny movie star you talk to here, the one who lives by Greenlake and hops over to Stefan Sharansky’s lawn to take a shit.
And, of course, don’t forget to say that you trade barbs with Harry Tuttle.
88.
Ask Jerry Falwel.
Harry I attack you you attack me. That it tete-a-tete. Do I bring into my argument your family? Do I insinuate your wife giving me sexual favors? I think not!
Bring it on Puddybutt you fucking coward. Hell I’d pay for the C&D order myself if I thought it would lead me to your true identity!
And YES I am ready to take you on any day. You are a traitor and a coward and I consider it my duty to do whatever I can to expose you.
Fuck you, your wife, your daughter, your sister and your mother. Hope you don’t like it.
And by the way, your daddy Lush Flimbaugh really DOES have to pee in a cup moron. It’s called probation. You should be familiar with it as I assume you’ve spent time in jail yourself.
PS! I love it that I got under Puddybutt’s skin. I absolutely love it! HE HE!
Do you know my family? I think you may have confused me with Harry Buttle, lots of people do. He has a family, had, actually.
Now his daughter, who wouldn’t like to boff her, eh?
Maybe not you. She is a terrorist, after all. Sam thinks so, anyway.
Anyone ever done a search for the batshit crazy stuff that Puddybutt has said on this board? It boggles the mind. When I get time, (after me and your wife are all done Puddy) I’ll create a BEST OF list and post them for all to see.
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Mac — the concurrent pay issue may be resolved now, but Bush’s foot-dragging on the issue angered veterans groups, and you know as well as I these things are never forgotten.
The real question is the validity of the article’s premise that the GOP’s grip on the military vote is loosening. No one has good statistics on the military vote, because pollsters are denied access to soldiers; political scientists believe the military was more Democratic than Republican in WW2, but has became more southern and more Republican since then, especially after the draft ended in 1973.
Any time there’s a war, there’s a natural constituency for the the mission among the serving military. But losing a war can shatter a party’s grip on the military vote, and the Republicans will lose their war in Iraq. (And this war, unlike Vietnam, is clearly identifiable to one party.)
The article does not suggest military voters will suddenly switch to Democrats. The Democrats might get half the enlisted vote, but the officer and noncoms are Republican by an 8-to-1 margin. However, if career military people become disgusted with the GOP — as they should — they may return to the professional military’s historic detachment from politics and wariness of politicians from both parties.
Politics is visceral, not intellectual. For years, I corresponded with a man in Florida who had been an officer in my unit in Vietnam. He forwarded to me all the rightwing mass-circ e-mails. I would send him something from snopes.com or one of the other debunker web sites taking apart the rightwingers’ bullshit-of-the-day. It didn’t make a dent. He was like a cat caught with a bird in its mouth; he would drop the bird, then go catch another one. I ended my correspondence with him, because you can’t deal with dishonesty. First and foremost, he was dishonest with himself, because he insisted on believe things even after they were demonstrated to be false and the source was shown to have repeatedly lied.
Sure, there’s lots of veterans and military personnel who will believe what they want to, no matter what the truth is. Democrats will never sway these voters with arguments. But they know when they’re being fucked over by their chain of command, and they do respond to that. Not overtly, not right away, but human nature being what it is, once the GOP loses these folks they will never come back to the GOP.
The Democrats don’t have to do anything except wait for the GOP to self-destruct.
Puddy @ 88
Whoa, man, we were talking about your personal slander lawsuit. Your attempt to put comments personal to you into a context of general comments about rightwingers is less than deft. Within the context of a slander claim, I will say that none of the comments you list fall into the category of legally slanderous. A public figure, such as GW, for all intents and purposes, cannot successfully sue for slander. The Supreme Court correctly determined in 1964 that an individual who willingly becomes a public figure should anticipate that, in a free society, some bad things are going to be said about him or her. With regard to many of your other listed comments, I would say that some are true and so not slanderous (truth is an absolute defense to slander), others are simply fair comment, others represent opinion (not actionable as slander), and a few might be a bit over the top, but hyperbole is not actionable. What is your point? That nothing disrespectful can be said about conservatives? What kind of nation is it that you want to live in? You confuse derogatory with defamatory. The marketplace of ideas sometimes involves bad things being said about people you respect. Get used to it, or move to a totalitarian country.
Proud Leftist, you can attack me all you want. Leave my wife out of it. Do I insinuate I want to jump your wife’s bones? Uhhh, NO!
My wife does not like being accused of having a relationship with a moonbat whacknutjob such as LeftTurdy. He can attack me all he wants. Nothing he says makes any sense. But when he insinuates that he is in my wife and she says hello, she takes umbrage to that. If that point goes over your head maybe a refresher is necessary.
Leftturdy, you got under my wife’s skin jackASS. Also now it’s fully demonstrated how stupid Leftturdy is.
“Anyone ever done a search for the batshit crazy stuff that Puddybutt has said on this board? It boggles the mind. When I get time, (after me and your wife are all done Puddy) I’ll create a BEST OF list and post them for all to see.
Commentby LeftTurn— 7/24/06@ 11:53 am”
What’s wrong turdball? No Internet search skillzset? Didn’t think so. I can find just about anything you wrote on ASSes in almost no time dumbASS. All you do is regurgitate Kos URLs. No synaptic brain activity there.
Of course, this also raises the question of the proper role of the military vote in American politics. The military should serve policy, not drive policy. For two centuries, this has been an axiomatic feature of American political life.
Should the military’s political views on issues of war and peace, or military spending, take precedence of those of civilian voters? No, absolutely not!! On spending issues, the military is a special interest group — of course they want more military spending. But military spending comes at the expense of the civilian economy, and also comes at the expense of social spending that benefits the citizens who do the nation’s work and pay its taxes. There needs to be a balance. The military can never have enough resources, so its demands for manpower and weaponry are infinite, and what is really needed is wise management of limited resources — as in any other enterprise.
But above all, military voters should not decide whether the nation goes to war. Comprising only a couple percent of the voting population, they can’t expect to overrule the civilian electorate in that regard. More importantly, they have to get pumped up for the mission, and can’t possibly bring to their voting decisions the detachment or objectivity needed to decide whether a given war is necessary, or a bad idea. You can always get soldiers to support a war, even a wrongful war; the decision to go to war is for the nation as a whole (98% of which is comprised of civilians) to decide, using its collective conscience as a guide. Any argument that soldiers know better than the rest of us, and their opinion should take precedence over our individual consciences, is false.
The opinion of military voters, of course, has influence far beyond military personnel. It not only influences their families and veterans, but also voters without direct connections to the military who are sympathetic to, and supportive of, the military — including many Democrats.
But we, as a nation, must guard against the militarism and nationalism that has led so many other nations into aggressive wars, to mankind’s incalculable grief. Americans do not possess a different human nature than people elsewhere; but unfortunately, legitimate liberal concerns about excessive militarism and nationalism in our own society has been misinterpreted by some military voters and veterans, and has been exploited by rightwing propagandists.
What wingers call “unpatriotic” is, in fact, profoundly patriotic. Liberals want what is best for our country, and for humankind as a whole. War is an unmitigated evil, so it is understandable that we have pacifists among us, who oppose war under all circumstances. Human nature being what it is, realistic liberals will understand the need to maintain a strong defense — not only for deterrence, but for defense, when needed.
Yes, there are times when we have to fight; and 9/11 is one of those times. Our country was attacked. It is proper, and patriotic, to ask why we were attacked and — being a superpower with global reach and perhaps a tendency to get overbearing in our dealings with other countries and cultures — whether some of our own policies should be re-examined. But the 9/11 attacks were an act of war that called for a military response against the perpetrators.
There are many things about Bush’s response to 9/11 that make no sense to us. His willful ignoring of warnings leading up to 9/11 is deeply troubling. After what appeared to be a brilliant start, the Afghanistan campaign bogged down because it was starved of military manpower and resources that were diverted to an unnecessary — and miscarried — adventure in Iraq that we know now was on the drawing board before the 2000 election and would have occurred even if 9/11 had not. And the Iraq campaign has been conducted with a sheer incompetence for which it is hard to find any modern precedent; you have to go back to the Union side of the Civil War to find a comparable level of stupidity and civilian interference. It is inexplicable to us liberals that our Republican brethren continue to assign their blind faith and votes to politicians who have served them, and our nation, so badly as Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Perle and Wolfowitz have. They are the McClellans and Butlers of our time, and history will not be kind to them.
Nor will history be kind to the unthinking voters who gave them a blank check.
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“Almost 90% think war is retaliation for Saddam’s role in 9/11, most don’t blame Iraqi public for insurgent attacks”
The problem with this, of course, is that Saddam had no role in the 9/11 attacks. Bush lied about that, and a lot of stupid Republicans bought the lies.
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Puddybutt, I haven’t attacked your wife — I only wondered when you and MTR are getting married — but if you want to slam Mrs. Rabbit, go right ahead!! Mrs. Rabbit can take care of herself (trust me on this). Unlike you, I’m not married to a thin-skinned wimp. Hey, your children are ugly!!! If you don’t like my saying so, hire a lawyer and sue me.
What a bunch of fucking whiners these wingnuts are.
Puddybud – Left Turn’s remarks are offensive and maybe a little over the top.
But you’re not exactly innocent either…
Left Turn has succeeded in getting under your skin. How does it feel?
You live to get under the skins of people with whom you disagree politically. You use namecalling and copious spews of right-wing propaganda. You call it a “hobby”.
I call it not having much of a life.
A sane person would go about their business, voting for whomever and supporting their favorite candidates of their chosen party with money, time, etc. You choose to come to HA.org and do you what you’ve done.
Again, what do you expect?
Wingnuts don’t have any problem with bombing villages and killing women and children, but if someone flings a mere verbal barb at their wife or kids, they turn into blubbering crybabies.
Fucking wimps.
95 et seq.
No one posting here anonymously under an assumed name is being legally slandered. Unless someone identifies you by your real name, Puddy, nothing that is said here about your or yours is legally actionable.
You don’t have to take my word for this — you are more than welcome to spend $500 on a consultation with a lawyer of your choice, who will tell you the same thing.
So, unless and until you post under your real name, he can say anything he wants about your wife — and it’s not legal slander.
Damn you wingnuts, My wife is offended. I will not let it pass. Who on the right has written they FUCKED any of your family members? Citation, date and time! It is only you moonbats who attack using those methods. Such librul thought processes. Such openmindedness.
By the way, Puddybutt, were you and MTR married to his dead crack-whore wife at the same time? Were you guys banging to same bigamous cunt at the same time you were banging each other? Not saying you were, just wondering.
Hey Puddy, did you have a bad experience with a priest when you were an alter boy? Not saying you did, just wondering what made you so fucked up in the head.
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Who cares if your wife is offended? The idea is to offend YOU as much as possible. As I’ve told all the newbies on this board, trolls are allowed to post here and there’s no censorship, and our job as liberals is to verbally kick the living shit out of you trolls. No mercy for unpatriotic America-hating wingnut nazi fucks!!!
Hey Puddy, if you can’t take it, haul your sorry chickenshit ass back to Unsound Politics like that pathetic whiner John MacDonald did! Whatsamatter, is the $7.36 an hour BIAW pays you to post on HA not enough money for the working conditions?
Wimp. Loser. Crybaby. waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Roger – I think John MacDonald supports Darcy Burner.
Check it out.
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Sure it’s the same MacDonald that posted here for a while?
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A Republican complaining about name-calling is like Hitler complaining about allied bombing.
What I love about Rabbit Pellet is how he takes 9 posts to say what most people say in one or two. I wonder what that disease is called? Oh, yes; verbal diarrhea!
Rabbit Pellet, et. al. My wife is offended. Since I love her I stand up for her. Eventhough you use metaphors to describe how you love to fuck bunnies, Freud says deep down inside you want to cheat on your wife. Well have a great sexual compulsive life Pellet!
“Whatsamatter, is the $7.36 an hour BIAW pays” Wrong idiot. You called me Kevin Cairns. Wrong there too!
“Hey Puddy, did you have a bad experience with a priest when you were an alter boy?” You know my religion. Never been Catholic. And after reading Koxes Book of Martyrs I don’t plan to.
“By the way, Puddybutt, were you and MTR married to his dead crack-whore wife at the same time?” No but if she was a rabbit you’d hump her right?
I would just like to say that with a part-time job and the generous tithes Pud gives at temple, I am impressed he has the fiscal wherewithal to consider a libel suit.
Pud, take it from someone in your economic class who has the benefit of partying with lawyers as well. You just ain’t that rich.
Excellent satire of a Fox News Commentator!
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