Jim Hansen, Director of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies writes a comprehensive essay on global warming for The New York Review of Books, in which he references three books on the subject, Tim Flannery’s The Weather Makers, Elizabeth Kolbert’s Field Notes from a Catastrophe, and Al Gore’s An Inconvenient Truth. This is a weighty essay of some length, so if you don’t have the time to read it in its entirety, check out Lynn’s excellent synopsis over Evergreen Politics.
Hmm. So why is it that supposedly sound people still ridicule global warming in the face of such an overwhelming scientific consensus? And why does Hansen feel it necessary to preface his essay with the disclaimer that his opinions are expressed “as personal views under the protection of the First Amendment of the United States Constitution”…?
Because he feels threatened by the NeoConvict Corporate thugs. . .they aren’t done wracking and ruining their way to riches. . . .
It’s simple, Goldy. They think that because we have invested a great deal of time and money in them so that they will think that global warming is a myth. We can sell them soap, we can sell them cars, we sold them a war and now we’re selling them pretzel science. I’m personally making so much money, I may have to buy another bank to keep it in.
At least these guys have the honesty to agree with MTR that current temps are well within historical norms. Once the moonbats here agree to that, we can move onto the issue of causality.
Who’s ready to agree with me so I tear you apart on the next links in this unscientific bullshit?
So MTR… you’re telling me that you understand the science better than the Director of Goddard?
Mark The Cowardly Redneck understands how to rape children, cheat on his taxes, and destoy America. He knows nothing about Global warming.
Just thought I’d remind everyone that Lush Flimbaugh is peeing in a cup as part of his probation agreement. Today like every day he has to pee in a cup in front of his probabtion officer. What a proud moment for you inbred righties!
Goldy, its cuz you all like it more for the politics, than believing in it
If you really wanted to slow warming, emissions, etc, you wouldn’t taunt us, yell at us, have stupid Al Gore as your poster child
If you really cared, you’d go recruit a strong conservative, and then, hey its like Nixon going to China
But its politics to you guys..
Corporate executives in the U.S. aren’t interested in global warming. They are in it for the short term. When we start to see the effects of global warming, they will be happy to offer to start “research” on what to do to alleviate the problems – for a hefty price.
It seems current U.S. corporate executives are only interested in their next big bonus/stock option redemption. They expect to cycle through their current corporate position within five years – long enough to cut long-term investment and produce short-term profits to boost their personal earnings, but not so long as to prevent them from blaming any problems on the previous executive, and to leave before they begin to see the results of their poor decision-making.
Besides, if they throw enough money at the Republicans, they can always get Congress to change the rules so that they are protected from their own actions (example: bankruptcy “reform” to give them a free pass when they decided to give high-interest credit cards to students and other high-risk groups, but don’t want to bear the expense of the easily foreseable default rates).
If you really cared, you’d go recruit a strong conservative, and then, hey its like Nixon going to China
You should read Bliese’s “The Greening of Conservative America.” He’s a conservative with a few words about the stupidity of not acting conservatively with respect to the environment.
to all you myopic morons who refuse to believe the scientific data on global warming (though you probably believe in all the myths in the bible…go figure), yes, these temps are within historic norms and the planet’s temp does cycle up and down. BUT, and this is a big but, it’s never done it this fast, and all the evidence points to the changes being caused by us.
But all that doesn’t really matter, does it?
Because the planet is still warming, weather is changing, it is happening. And it doesn’t matter what the cause is, we’ll all be just as sweaty or dead.
So why not recognize that there is a problem so we can put some real pressure on our leaders and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT?
This isn’t politics, as much as some dipshits would like to think. It’s survival. Get it? Do you get it yet?
If you want to keep your heads in the sand, do us all a big favor and take a nice deep breath while you’re down there.
To: Richard Mellon-Scaife
Fr: Mark the Redneck
I’m a big fan. I like the way you went after that “moonbat” Bubba. Some of these “moonbats” criticized you for paying those American Spectator guys to drive all over Arkansas. Typical “moonbats”. What part of “it’s your fucking money” don’t they understand? They can’t recognize genius when it’s right in front of their fucking faces.
Effectively immediately I’m donating a piece of my hoard each year to you so you can start and maintain a “moonbat” research center. The only condition is that it’s gotta be in my name. I’m endlessly fascinated with the “moonbat” mind. Once we figger’ it out, we can throw it in the shitcan of history. What better thing to do with “our fucking money”?
Git ‘er done.
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“In the Earth’s history, during periods when average global temperatures increased by as much as ten degrees Fahrenheit, there have been several “mass extinctions,” when between 50 and 90 percent of the species on Earth disappeared forever. In each case, life survived and new species developed over hundreds of thousands of years. The most recent of these mass extinctions defines the boundary, 55 million years ago, between the Paleocene and Eocene epochs.”
The Threat to the Planet
By Jim Hansen
The New York Review of Books
Volume 53, Number 12 · July 13, 2006
If this is what you are pointing to as a justification of your “historical norms” argument, you are a bigger ass than ever expected.
Human beings need to think of history in a more confined way than the last time their life form evolved.
Goldy – I’m just asking a simple fucking question that stabs at the heart of your religion: Are current temperatures within the range of natural variation? That’s it. I’ve been asking this question since Your God’s movie came out and NOBODY will answer me.
The Real Inconvenient Truth is that THE FUCKING SUN causes global warming.
Is it that fucking difficult to comprehend?
We comprehend that you are an idiot, Mark.
11 – I appreciate your generous offer, but there is really no need to create a moonbat research center. We have plenty of petri dishes already available for study including, HA, The City of Seattle, and Patty Murray.
BTW, men with hyphen names are hopeless pathetic pussies. Be a fucking man and keep yer own name…
“So why is it that supposedly sound people still ridicule global warming in the face of such an overwhelming scientific consensus?”
Because, for many people, politics is driven by emotion not intellect.
Hey Harry, when yer done with that chi squared analysis, post it here so we can see it.
Fucking gullible idiot…
Rabbit, share your “intellect” with us. Post the chi squared data.
I’m waiting…
“But its politics to you guys.. ”
Ah, there’s the clue. The Rovian handbook says that you take your weakness, your shortcoming , your hidden agenda and lay it on your opponent.
But it’s all just too fuckin obvious. A mountain of credible, peer reviewed scientific evidence, practically every reputable climate scientist in the world, and almost all the governments in the industrialized world agree, but these assholes deny it.
Why? Because it’s politics to them. They’re convinced they can score short term political points on this one. They don’t care about the quality of the environment they leave their kids anymore then they care about the mountain of debt their piling up for their kids to pay off. Their kids are nothing more to them than props for their holiday greeting cards.
I guess I should be glad that you all are stuck on convincing the world that global warming is man made. If that argument is won, then you can start on your world anarchy views where you destroy the US economy and do nothing about growth in China and India.
There was a reason why Kyoto was voted down 99-0.
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Righton, are you that fucking naive? That neocons will adopt liberal policies if liberals are nice to them?
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Redneck, I give you some credit for creative disingenuity. Unfortunately, you’re a bit too transparent. You (wrongly) assumed the educated liberals on this board are too dense to realize you’re (deliberately) asking the wrong question. The relevant questions are:
1. Is CO2 accumulating in the atmosphere?
2. If so, does it matter?
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Does this mean you aren’t going to give Richard Lying Lush Scaife any money to harass Democratic politicians with? At least you’re consistent — consistently a skinflint, that is. You didn’t pay Goldy, either, nor did you support the troops.
In a billion years, life Earth’s oceans will have boiled away due to the increasing size and heat of the Sun. As the Sun stops burning hydrogen it will become a Red Giant, growing in size to encompass the orbits of Mercury, Venus, Mars, and then Earth. In 5 billion years, say.
These are all natural phenomenon, observable in other solar sytems that are burning out. If it starts happening tomorrow, it will be within historic norms, because there a 150 billion stars in the universe, so anything that happens is within hitorical norms.
“So MTR… you’re telling me that you understand the science better than the Director of Goddard?”
The really frightening thing is, that bed-wetters like MTR really do think they understand this stuff better than the career scientists.
It might be slightly comforting to think that the assholes in charge in D.C. were just to insecure to admit that they’re wrong. But they actually don’t think they are. Without a change in leadership we are truly fucked.
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I have a better idea, why don’t you lick my pi hole. For a good time call 1-800-BLO-ROGR.
22.
He was asked that question weeks ago.
I wonder what would happen if Tom Delay wrote a book, made a movie and started travelling the country harping about global warming…
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Keep it up, Janet. You’re the poster girl for right wing ignorance.
So ASSPRIDE,
you’re saying the only reason that fucktards like you refuse to asknowledge human caused global climate change is because you don’t like the political affiliation of a guy who wrote a book about it?
So if Hillary writes a book about the earth being round….
“In the Earth’s history, during periods when average global temperatures increased by as much as ten degrees Fahrenheit, there have been several “mass extinctions,”
Maybe this means the Republican elephant is destined for the same fate as the wooly mammoth.
About that little hit piece from the National Post the other day,
I’ll take the word of Jim Hansen over them furriners.
Redneck,
Is there any subject on which you are not an expert? I’d like to have an argument with you where I do not start at my usual disadvantage. You seem to be an expert in so many areas–climatology, economics, political science, statistics, social psychology, constitutional law. You never have to defer to the professionals in any field. Is there any subject we can debate that you have some uncertainty about?
Proud – Hmm…. that’s a good question… I can’t think of any, but I’ll get back to you.
22 – We aren’t even close to the phase of talking about causal factors. We’re still stuck at step one about whether there’s anything even going on.
Mark the Redneck,
“I’m just asking a simple fucking question that stabs at the heart of your religion: Are current temperatures within the range of natural variation?”
While your claim requires more specificity (since, one can always pick a date in the past for which we have only lousy information), there is very strong evidence that current average global temperatures exceed the historical record for which we can generate reasonabally accurate global temperature averages. (Of course, the average global temperature is one of several lines of evidence that support global warming, and, in fact, is not even the primary line of evidence).
Mark, I will be happy to seriously debate the topic with you. I know a fair amount of the global warming and the paleoclimatology literature, and I have the science and statistics credentials to objectively evaluate the literature.
But, as I have said before, I will not debate you on the topic until you fullfil your obligations to Goldy. Make good on your $100 bet to Goldy’s satisfaction and I will be happy to debate the issue with you.
The choice is yours Redneck….
Rush Limbaugh was caught by custom agents after returning from the Dominican Republic on a private plane with a prescription drug prescribed to another person.
Customs did not identify what the drug was.
Global wrming is commie lib Democrat bull shit. If you Dems believe this crap, give up your cars, boats, and refuse to fly in airplanes. All I see is Kerry’s 110 foot Chriscraft, the Kennedys in SUVs and private planes, and idiot Hollywood libs flying in Gulfstream G4s and G5s. What a bunch of hypocites! “All animals are equal, but some idiot democrat “progressives” are more equal than others.”
There’s a challenge. I defer to dj to respond to MTR on all matters
relating to global climate change.
Harry Tuttle, I must have miss your post on Pat “Overdose” Kennedy, DEMOCRAT, RI. Please post again.
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Thank you for your usual abandonment of all reason, Jughead.
Like the commie Russians and Chicomms give a shit about “global warming”.
No dumbass… the point is you loony lefty’s would be caught in a corner: embrace the hated Tom Delay because he suddenly started preaching the gospel of gore or decry the phony baloney global warming bullshit becaue you despise Delay… what fun that would be to watch…. either way!
proud leftist @ 33
“You [Mark the Redneck] seem to be an expert in so many areas–climatology, economics, political science, statistics, social psychology, constitutional law. You never have to defer to the professionals in any field. Is there any subject we can debate that you have some uncertainty about?”
In fact, most of this is empty chest thumping. Redneck seems to have had some rudimentary training in economics and a little bit of training in statistics. Neither seem to go beyond undergraduate training. His calls for a “chi-squared analysis” were naive (i.e. an inappropriate technique for the data), and his thoughts on economics have sprinklings of genuine understanding punctuated by his whack-o political ideology. None of the other topics you mention does he display any substantive knowledge or education beyond what a high school graduate could muster.
Harry Tuttle, Get your head out of your ass and your hand out of my wallet, commie lib parasite. You “progressives” are idiots.
Maybe ol’ Rush’ll be have Bubba for a bunk mate yet.
“Are current temperatures within the range of natural variation?” Commentby Mark The Redneck Kennedy— 6/26/06@ 4:52 pm
No.
And you would know that if you read a newspaper once in a while, you ignorant fuck.
The Seattle Times reported Friday the National Academies of Science calls the rise in temperature over the past century “unprecedented for the last 400 years and potentially the last several millennia,” and says “human activities are responsible for much of the recent warming.” http://archives.seattletimes.n.....rming+data
Study Shoots Down Bush Claim That Blended Fuels Cause Gas Shortages
Back in April, President Bush ordered the EPA to conduct a study of whether fuel blending requirements designed to make the air cleaner were causing spot shortages and higher gas prices.
No, the EPA said.
http://archives.seattletimes.n.....gas+prices
Another wingnut theory bites the dust.
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“I wonder what would happen if Tom Delay wrote a book, made a movie and started travelling the country harping about global warming… ” Commentby howcanyoubePROUDtobeanASS— 6/26/06@ 5:09 pm
Maybe his lawyer can use that idea to argue for probation.
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Planet earth has no problems that extinction of one species won’t fix.
Putting Queen Christine and the democraps in charge of Property tax relief is like putting a herd of Foxes in charge of the Hen house. Hang on to your wallets folks! Some people predict they will fall somewhere between the 6% and the 1%. Yup! I predict based on the Queen’s recent math, that will be 20%!
Gulp! Gulp! Gulp! Gulp!
I’ve got a news flash for you, GS, Dino Lost!. I’ve got another news flash for you: He’ll lose again.
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“22 – We aren’t even close to the phase of talking about causal factors. We’re still stuck at step one about whether there’s anything even going on.” Commentby Mark The Redneck Kennedy— 6/26/06@ 5:27 pm
Gee, Mark, if you read a newspaper once in a while, you’d know this is bullshit:
“Prestigious scientific panel backs global-warming data
“By Thomas H. Maugh II and Karen Kaplan
“Los Angeles Times
“After a comprehensive review of climate-change data, the pre-eminent U.S. scientific body found average temperatures on Earth have risen about 1 degree over the past century, a development that ‘is unprecedented for the last 400 years and potentially the last several millennia.’
“The report from the National Academies of Science also concluded that ‘human activities are responsible for much of the recent warming.’
“Coupled with a report last month from the Bush administration’s Climate Change Science Program that found ‘clear evidence of human influences on the climate system,’ the new study signals a growing acceptance in Washington of widely held scientific views on the causes of global warming.
“The academies’ review focused on the controversial ‘hockey stick’ graph, which shows Earth’s temperature rising abruptly to its highest point in 1,000 years after a long period of stability.
“The panel dismissed critics’ charges that fraud and error were responsible for the graph’s sharp upward swing, noting many studies had confirmed its essential conclusions in the eight years since it was first published in the journal Nature.
“The finding was a rebuke to skeptics and some conservative politicians, who have repeatedly attacked the hockey stick as the work of overzealous scientists determined to shame the government into imposing environmental rules on big business.”
For complete story, see http://archives.seattletimes.n.....rming+data
dj @ 44
I think I read on one of your posts way back that your mother was a Lutheran minister. My father is of like avocation. For better or worse, I think that Lutherans were taught that doubt is the beginning of wisdom. MTR never got that lesson. I think the guy wasn’t born stupid. He’s just so damned sure of himself, and so full of arrogance, that he’s made himself into an idiot. Such aspirations . . .
43,
still sounds like politics is your primary reason for objecting to the consensus theories of global warming. Your bizare fantasies aside, Jailbird lobbyist DeLay did not write a book about global warming, Al Gore did. And apparantly that’s all you need to know.
Show me the fucking data. Not what somebody reads into it so they can get taxpayer dollars to continue their “research”. The actual data. While you’re at it, please explain how they know the temperatures to within a few tenths of a degree going back several thousand years.
So what to you regulars here think about your personal information such as Social Security numbers and addresses being available through the King County Recorder’s Office’s Web site check it out
Fuck you, 56.
You show us the data! You’re the expert (bed-wetter) here!
Us Kennedys NEVER worry about “global warming”. That bull shit is for the Democrat voting sheep. We Kennedys fly in private jets, boat in huge 110 foot Chriscrafts, and drive SUVs, and you dumb ass libs vote for us EVERY time!!!
KEN SCHRAM CALLS BULLSHIT ON GOP DIVERSION TACTICS
“Ken’s Commentary: Another Weak Attempt To Boost GOP Image
“June 26, 2006
“By Ken Schram
“SEATTLE – Congressional Republicans know they’re in deep political trouble … with mid-term elections looming, they need something – anything! – to rally the party faithful ….
“Hey, how about the flag? Yeah, that’s it: Rally ’round the flag! That’s just what Republicans in the House and Senate had in mind when they put together one of them thar constitutional amendments to ban flag burning.
“Mind you, no one has been out burning flags lately, but it’s still one of those hot-button patriotism issues that Republicans in political trouble love to manufacture.”
For complete commentary, see http://www.komotv.com/stories/44112.htm
NEVER will you see us Kennedys at a public airport! We fly private Gulfstreams and use thousands of gallons of jet fuel! AND, NEVER will the dumb ass Democrat sheep question us!!!
Did you wingfucks catch that last sentence? It’s worth repeating: ” … no one has been out burning flags lately, but it’s … one of those hot-button … issues that Republicans in political trouble love to manufacture.”
Now that I’ve answered Mark the Fuckwad’s question, he’s shifting into Wingnut Denial Mode.
Here are just a few little factoids for dumb ass liberal “progressive” commie Democrats to play around with, factoids that cause me to doubt that whatever global warming we’re experiencing can be blamed on the actions of man.
The sun is hotter. Period. This fact cannot be denied. The sun is going through a lengthy period of increased activity that causes it to radiate more heat into space. Is it really that hard to believe that a hotter sun would lead to a hotter earth?
Our polar ice caps are melting? Sure looks like it. But .. the polar ice caps on Mars are melting also. So, are we to believe that this is caused by man on the Earth but by the hotter sun on Mars?
And while we’re talking about ice caps melting, it’s worth noting that the ice pack in the heart of Antarctica is actually getting thicker!
Scientific data clearly shows that the Earth has undergone warming and cooling cycles for millions of years. Why, all of a sudden, does a warming cycle just have to be caused by the actions of man?
Scientists who work on government grants are more inclined to blame global warming on the actions of man than are scientists who do not depend on continued government (political) funding.
And just how much warmer has our atmosphere become in the last 100 years? One degree. That’s it. Just one degree.
Many of the people who are so involved in promoting the man-made global warming theme are people who are also involved in anti-capitalist movements. So, what is their true goal? Do they want to solve the global warming problem, or do they want to cripple the capitalist systems they so hate?
The U.S. Senate snubbed the Kyoto treaty by a vote of 99-0. This was during the Clinton years! What did these 99 senators know about the Kyoto Accords that we don’t know?
Speaking of the Kyoto accords, they would severely impact the U.S. economy, but would leave China absolutely alone! China has one of the fastest growing economies in the world. Since a huge number of Kyoto proponents can also be called anti-American, could this cause you to wonder what the true goal of Kyoto is?
And just how many years ago was it that these very same scientists were warming us about the earth getting cooler?
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Here ya go, Mark. Here’s the data. http://fermat.nap.edu/catalog/11676.html
Because the NYRB is a notoriously leftoid rag expecially since 9/11. real science doesn’t have to plead and beg: “please believe me. I’m real. I’m real. global warming is real. I’m real.”
J. Craig Herman @ 64,
Almost everything you state in 64 is complete bullshit. Hang it up, asshole. You don’t seem to have any idea what you are talking about, regarding the sun, regarding science, and regarding the politics of science.
Plus, you hate Joe Paterno. What are you, some kind of fucking commie?
JCH is ready for global warming! For an exclusive photo (seen only on HorsesAss) of JCH’s Hawaii house, click here: http://www.iedonline.net/house_stilts.jpg
LUSH FLIMBAUGH!!!!
66
All the wingfucks have left is their “Hail Mary” play.
I believe we are framing this debate about global warming incorrectly. We have science on our side. . . .but the more telling question from a political perspective is a question for the mythical Man In the Street: Would you trust the judgement of an Administration and political party that have laid waste to the entire Gulf Coast? In effect, “Do you feel Lucky?“.
I’m confident that neither this administration, nor our local blowhard redneck will instill much confidence that “nothin important is happening wityh regard to global warming.”
das @ 66
‘Because the NYRB is a notoriously leftoid rag expecially since 9/11. real science doesn’t have to plead and beg: “please believe me. I’m real. I’m real. global warming is real. I’m real.”’
Oh brother! Another brilliant remark from our boy genius.
Hey, little genius, the debate about global warming is not occuring within science—that is what they mean when they use big words like “scientific concensus.”
Where the debate is raging is in the arena of politics. You know, among politicians and their supporters: the folks that don’t have the expertise to actually do the research and are generally incapable of evaluating the research.
RUSH LIMBAUGH ARRESTED FOR DRUG SMUGGLING!!!
“(CBS4 News) WEST PALM BEACH Sources have confirmed to CBS4 News that conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh has been detained at Palm Beach International Airport … Limbaugh was returning on a flight from the Dominican Republic when officials found the drugs, among them Viagra.”
http://cbs4.com/topstories/loc.....94808.html
Does the Dominican Republic execute drug traffickers? Do we have an extradition treaty with them?
1″With regard to Mark the Retarded Redneck, and The Chimpster himself, and the Duke of Darkness, the line from the old song applies, and in Spades: “He can’t run his own life. . .I’ll be damned if I’ll let him run mine
And all roger rabbit has left is his stable of four letter words and the hit list he is compiling of leaders he believes he has the right to exterminate. Whoo boy, what a bunch.
71,
that is precisely on target.
The science is all there. And it’s obviously not about the science for conservative Republicans. It’s strictly politics for them. Nothing more than a strategy.
So engaging in a debate about the science is not only pointless, but it plays into their strategy. Get the “libs” and “lefties” spouting off about arcane statistics and the average voter will just tune out.
Keep it simple, and visceral. Talk about hurricanes, disasters, and a Republican party and a President who simply don’t care.
Kobert has pretty convincing proof in her book . . . has to do with methane beginning to rise before it has in the past during typical cycles. Don’t have the book but saw her on a CSpan panel. . . I don’t know how anybody could refute her findings.
Unless their state of denial is religious and they are looking for Armegeddon.
D’Ass the traitorous psychotic is back. Tell me traitor, do you support our troops? Why do you support the diminishment of the budget for the VA? Your own Generals are calling for a draw down. Square that up with your psychotic talking points. The Chimpster in Chief claims the Iraqui Government is a soveriegn government. They have asked us to leave how does that square with your psychotic talking points?
Kobert is fine but I prefer the findings of the great journalist Al Gore. It doesn’t matter that he is not a scientist; he is beloved of leftoids and therefore pretty much everything he utters is truth and if you don’t believe him we will hurl swear words at you.
“I’m real. Please believe in me! I’m so real! I’m real.”
–Global Warming
No, Katrina was Real A careless and reckless disregard for its citizens safety by this administration was Real . You smoke screen is what is not Not Real .
The BS Factor for this aministration is approaching critical mass. Screaming terrorist, terrorist, and not funding checking incoming cargo, divvying up homeland security funds as porkbarrel rewards, screwing the elderly on prescriptions, and attempting to raid Social Security. D’Ass, you run is about over.
Hysterical shrieking and heaping invective will not help you. Even your hero, Limbaugh is going down.
I love the sense of relief of the left when it talks about GW: “God, I can’t make a case for my antiquated soul-killing beliefs but, whew, thank god that mother nature is now putting the kibosh on individual excellence and achievement that capitalism engenders by implicating capitalism itself. I could never make the case but now mother nature is on board and she will smash all those mean ol’ Bush cheney neo=con rats – (halliburton, hitler, et al, Music up and out)”
das @ 82
That wasn’t one of your more intelligible posts. You seem positively apoplectic! Calm down…breathe slowly…and try again.
On second thought, don’t try again. Nobody here gives a shit what you think….
God may visit Natural Disasters on us. . .but he also gives us the reason, courage and grace to meet those challenges. He does not encourage us to turn away from our fellow man in his time of need for greed or gain as this administration did with Katrina. This administration is not only Godless. . .but compounds this failing with pride and sanctimonious false piety.
Goldy, thanks for the excellent citations. This is elevating the discussion.
If I may repeat a prior recommendation: Take a look at any of Ross Gelbspan’s books, the most recent being “Boiling Point.” Among other things, Gelbspan does a good job of exposing the specific strategies used by the denialists. These guys are REALLY sophisticated, and you can sometimes see elements of their work here at HA.
All of which leads to my question: What is the value in continuing to argue with MTR, John McDonald or any of the other trolls who engage in dishonest propaganda techniques such as repeating their meme over and over and over without ever engaging the discussion?
We’ve talked long enough to know what MTR and McDonald are going to say. Why continue to fall for their game plan?
Would you buy a used planet froom this man? (GWB or Mark the Retarded Redneck). I thought not.
You guys are so gullible! Just because some newshound broadcasts a story, and it discredits someone you don’t like, you just jump all over it!
Limbaugh is no longer being detained. Sorry to burst your balloon. So much for the left being the party of justice. Geez, angry roger had him arrested already!
If you take the time to talk to anyone recently returned from Iraq or Afghanistan, you will know the average dogface wants no more of this BS about Democracy, freedom and Liberty. He wants to come home safe and sound. He wants his squad mates to be safe. He’s tired of trying to help Iraqis who don’t want any more of our help . And their Generals know this.
The only people still yammering about Freedom, Democracy, and Liberty, are the chickenhawks who are still here. The chickenhawks how can’t find it in their budgets to properly equip the men doing the fighting. The chickenhawks who put profit before anything else.
Bush asked for a government forged from elements of the Shia, the Sunni, and the Kurds. . .and he got it. . .and they have figured out that they don’t need us. This is the beginning of the end.
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dj, I’m calm; I was just reading your mind. Remember, your thoughts were once my thoughts.
D’Ass, put down the bong.
The bankruptcy of the rightwings talking points is becoming manifest. Every time someone comes back, and shares his story with his family. Every time someone’s relative in the Gulf Coast shares their story with relatives in another part of the country. Every time this administration is caught in an open lie. Everytime a corrupt Republican is prosecuted, this neoconvict fantasy lurches closer to collapsing in on itself. Truth is corrosive to this kind of delusion.
das @ 91
“I’m calm; I was just reading your mind. Remember, your thoughts were once my thoughts”
Funny you should say that. I was just thinking you should jump off of the I-5 bridge. See if you can do something about it….
Janet S @ 87
“You guys are so gullible! Just because some newshound broadcasts a story, and it discredits someone you don’t like, you just jump all over it!”
Well…duh!!!!! Janet…this is a liberal blog you fucking moron! If you don’t like the way we “jump,” then go the fuck away!
What is it with you wingnuts? You simply cannot make it through a day without reading someting that pains you?
You know…you can get help for that.
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Few things are less convincing than a wingfuck’s assertion that he once was a liberal.
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“You know…you can get help for that.” Commentby dj— 6/26/06@ 7:58 pm
I like your suggestion @94 better.
96.
I’ll admidt it is something very very large and hard to fit into your tiny frame of reference.
“very very large and hard to fit”
Please keep your homo fantasies to yourself.
ATTENTION: PERSONNEL CHANGE
The persona known as “Das” is now inoperative due to ineffectuality.
We here in the Psych-Op Department pride ourselves in creating personas that distract and destabilize terrorist cells such as Horse’s Ass. However, we have come to realize that Das works much better in snooty East Coast college towns than bastions of homemade granola such as Seattle. Here, his rhetorical strategies are not successful because he comes across as too shrill, one-dimensional, and lacking in empathy.
As a stop-gap measure, we will be increasing the coverage of our other specialists until we retool our strategy and introduce a new persona. Thank you for your patience.
Rabbit – Does the book have the chi squared analysis I’ve been asking for? No? Hmmm…. I wonder why…
Mark the Redneck, please report for duty immediately and step up the intensity of your global warming game plan.
Mark the Thieving Redneck @ 101
“Does the book have the chi squared analysis I’ve been asking for? No? Hmmm…. I wonder why…”
Ummm…because a chi-squared “analysis” is not appropriate for use with those data.
Man…that is an amateurish error. If you are going to make good on your bet with Goldy so that you can really debate me over global warming, Redneck, you are going to have to bone up on your statistics!
Look at it this way, you will only be paying $100 to make good on your bet, but the lessons I’ll teach you will be worth thousands!
Think about it, Thief!
Tee Hee
MTR doesn’t even understand that it is he who must analyze the methodologies of the accepted findings and point out the error.
He is the ruling authority only in his greatly inflated ego.
ok, ya’ll proved the point..
Reason conservatives haven’t “warmed” to your “global warming” is that you guys come off as raving lunatics…
I’d love to stop writing checks to the mullahs every time i buy gas
I’d love not to turn Arizona into some 140 degree place
I’d love to have suburban moms drive smaller cars..
BUT
Nobody’s going to become true “conservatives” (save what we have) when its high pitched squeaky libs like you guys
Like I said; its a political issue you guys love to champion; you actually may have a good point and thus you love to run with it. Al Gore finally gets to look respectable.
Too bad you play politics, if indeed this is such a powerful threat to mankind.
Gee, the study being quoted in Goldy’s original article was requested by a REPUBLICAN Congressman, and yet MTR and Janet S. seem determined to attack its credibility because the result was not what they desired.
MTR said: “Show me the **** data. Not what somebody reads into it so they can get taxpayer dollars to continue their “research”. The actual data.”
At least ten years of research on the subject, published in peer-reviewed scientific journals published throughout the world, critically analyzed and summarized by credible scientists in the most recent studies at the request of a Republican Congressman, and MTR still wants somebody to go out, print the source studies, put them in a double-trailer 18 wheeler combo, and deliver them to his door freight prepaid, so he can then dismiss it without bothering to read it.
Reminds me of the holocaust deniers who dismiss all photo, film, testimentary evidence, and Nazi records themesleves, as inadequate or or fraudulent evidence to prove the existence of the holcaust.
MTR, do your own footwork. The evidence is readily available in published form.
rhp; you were doing ok till you compared to the holocaust deniers;
I could compare you guys to the anti amalgalm fillings guys
not helpful to the debate.
Global warming is yet another stragem of the left to constrain freedom loving man.
In their fear of technology, the left would have us all appeasing the primitive gods of nature. Unga Bunga (face down in the dirt before a rock that seems like it might resemble a large pregnant female with giant mammalia chanting – Global Warming Unga Bunga – face back down in the dirt)…
MTR
For until I receive my IPCC report CD…
“,i>The Real Inconvenient Truth is that THE FUCKING SUN causes global warming.”
All you are saying is that the sun warms our globe. Duh. Tell us all something we don’t know. Did you need a chi square analysis to conclude this? Seems like a waste of your valuable time.
What you’re NOT saying is that the sun causes the current spike in average global temerature. The OVERWHELMING, NEARLY UNANIMOUS cientific consensus is that human activities have made a major contribution to the current warming, and that steps could be taken to mitigate this effect.
MTR
Also, when you dsay “within the range of natural variation,” haw far back do you want to go? 4.5 billion years ago (6000 years to you), the earth was all but molten. Should we include the global surface or atmospheric temperature from that time as the upper limit of “natural variation?”
das
“Global Warming Unga Bunga – face back down in the dirt”
Clever. It is so like you to characterize the largest scientific effort in human history, and probably the strongest scientific consensus that has ever existed (though probably second to evolution), as primitve totemism.
I think rather that the ignorant opposition to such a global human scientific agreement AND the opinion of a sizable majority in the US as the last gasp of the flat earthers. Give it up, guys; you already lost.
107:
Yes, you are correct, I shouldn’t use the holocaust denier analogy. I apologize for that.
I do think it is correct in that both reach a biased conclusion and then look only for evidence which supports their belief, and refuse to consider the great weight of evidence showing their position to be wrong.
But the holocaust deniers are a special catagory, and I should only refer to them in their special context. Nobody deserves to be compared with them except those that are within that “special” group.
112; thanks, as i get up off the floor; first time i’ve seen an apology
this blog unfor doesnt like diagloge; that is i’m game to support curbs on emissions, big cars, etc. But man, these whacky proponents need a sober, boring guy/woman to push it. (and it ain’t gore)
holocaust thing i agree; absurd to deny it. I was smelling a backhanded nazi slur, which is the nomr for most of the posters.
thanks
“I’m real. Please believe in me. I’m real. *Please. I’m…just…please.”
–GW
*New scientific method: Pleading.
The biologist Ernst Mayr reflected on the likelihood of uncovering extraterrestrial intelligence, and considered the prospects very low. He estimated that each of the 50 billion species that have evolved since the origin of life on earth has lasted about 100,000 years. He also observed that the history of life on earth refutes the concept that it is better to be smart than stupid.
That’s about the amount of since the breeding group we descend from commenced, so we are entering a period where an answer may be provided to whether being smart is better than being stupid.
Our demonstrated capacity, particularly during the past few hundred years, to assault the environment that sustains life and a diversity of complex organisms, particularly our own kind, suggests that we will fare no better than the dinosaur.
If the extraterrestrial call comes, chances are we will no longer be available to answer it.
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