At least for now we’re calling it “The David Goldstein Show”, every Sunday night from 7PM to 10PM on Newsradio 710-KIRO. But despite it’s rather bland name tonight’s show is jam-packed with interesting guests.
7PM: King County Council President Larry Phillips is going to join me at the top of the hour for an update on the future of vote-by-mail in the wake of Dean Logan’s departure. Then King County Executive Ron Sims will join me for the rest of the hour to take questions from callers.
8PM: 8th Congressional District Democratic challenger Darcy Burner will give us her take on President Bush’s trip to Seattle on behalf of his buddy, Rep. Dave Reichert. Then Seattle P-I columnist Joel Connelly will call in from a phone booth on Whidbey Island to discuss that and other issues of the day.
9PM: It’s “The Blogger Hour” with Podcasting Liberally regulars Will from Pike Place Politics and the Liberal Girl Next Door, Molly. Let’s see if they’re as entertaining and interesting sober as they are drunk.
Tune in or stream live and join the debate tonight from 7 to 10PM. Call me at 877-710-KIRO (5476) or leave a comment here, and I promise I’ll actually try to read the thread.
Sounds like a good show, Goldy. Ask Phillips if the council is going to keep hemming and hawing until the elections department atrophies away.
I’d like to hear from Sims if routes I ride are to get increased bus service under his proposal. Specifically will 56/57 and 174 be lines where service will become more frequent than two an hour? When making the connection between those routes now at S. 1st and S. Spokane, my wait time is most often twenty-five minutes.
Great show, Goldy!!!
I’m looking forward to this one…
Harry – Your time is worth nothing. What difference does it make? If your time was worth anything, you’d be driving an SUV like everybody else.
Goldy — you should call it the “Take Back America Show.” ‘Cuz that’s what we’re gonna do.
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My time isn’t worth anything. I’m just waiting for humans to eat out their resource base and die off. Then I’m gonna rule the world!
The faster Mark the Redweenie burns gas, the sooner I’m gonna be King of the World! When the oil is gone, human civilization will collapse, and the human population will crash. When there’s no more gas for cars, no more bunnies will get run over, and the bunny population will explode! Then me and my 10 trillion billion children will run this place.
Let’s compare Goldystein’s ratings with, say………Rush’s. [hehe] JCH
Mark the Thieving Redneck @ 4
“Harry – Your time is worth nothing. What difference does it make? If your time was worth anything, you’d be driving an SUV like everybody else.”
Your opinion is worth nothing, Thief. If you had an ounce of integrity, you would make good on your bet, and pay Goldy the $100 you owe him.
Until you do, don’t bother posting your tripe–you are worthless.
Goldy PLEASE every time you refer to Sheriff Davie, call him RUBBER STAMP REICHERT. We’d love for that to take hold!
And I am out of town so I can’t call in tonight but maybe you should let Darcy know that the best the right has to offer against her is that a woman’s place is in the home!
David, what makes you think Will and Mollie will eschew demon rum just because they’ll be on FCC-regulated, 8-second delay, air?
:-)
Leftturn – you are really tedious. But keep it up – if you actually come up with an original thought, no one will notice.
Goldy – are you offering free air time to Reichert? Seems to me that you are actively campaigning for darcy, and working with her to coordinate her campaign. But, no one is really listening at the hours you are on, so I guess there is no issue of this being a campaign contribution.
Why don’t you ask Darcy Burner if she will vote to bring the troops home from the Middle East? I haven’t heard here say anything. And while she is at it, will she pledge to cut the war machine budget by 50% and put the money into education and social programs to actually help, oh I don’t know….Americans?
And how can we expect that someone who has made their life’s work at a corrupt corporation to be the least bit progressive? Simple platitudes such as she is going to “stop Geoerge Bush” are no more than hot air if they are not backed with specifics. Bush will be president for 2 more years. There isn’t anything she can do to “stop him” other than pledging to filibuster all funding for the war machine and personally filibuster until the troops are brought home.
So far all I have heard from her is wishy washy generalist weasel words that cover her butt so she won’t have to be held to a progressive agenda if she gets elected.
“Laptop With 13,000 D.C. Workers’ Data Stolen
“AP
“WASHINGTON (June 18) – A laptop containing the Social Security numbers and other personal data of 13,000 District of Columbia employees and retirees has been stolen, officials said.
“The computer was stolen Monday from the Washington home of an employee of ING U.S. Financial Services, said officials with the company, which administers the district’s retirement plan.
“The company did not notify city employees of the theft until late Friday because it took officials several days to determine what information was stored on the laptop, ING spokeswoman Caroline Campbell said.
“The laptop was not password-protected and the data was not encrypted, Campbell said.”
http://www.horsesass.org/my-co.....1&c=1
Privacy advocates’ worst fears are coming true. But it turns out that, as our privacy is stripped away and our right to keep even the most sensitive and intimate details of our lives away from public view is ignored, the greatest threat to our well-being is not from a dictatorial government, but from an army of petty thieves.
No matter how careful you are, your identity can be — and very likely will be — stolen. That’s because you are entirely at the mercy of careless strangers who don’t care about you.
Historical experience tells us what will work to stop the pandemic of identity theft and the misery it brings. We need tough prosecution and sentencing of identity thieves, and we need tough enforcement of individual rights via the tort system. A company so careless than it allows employees to take this kind of data home on a laptop should cease to exist, and everyone involved should be stripped of everything he owns.
It will be a mistake for liberals to think that Bush’s low approval ratings mean the public is turning against imperialist warmongering. Their frustration with Bush is not that he is an imperialist warmonger, but that he is not more successful at it. Bush’s low numbers do not translate into support for peace or anti-war candidates. We can’t take 2008 or even 2006 for granted on the strength of these polls. All the war party needs to do is offer the bloodthirsty American public more competent warmongers.
Wabbit – I notice you’ve been throwing around the word “imperialist” lately. Do you know what that word means? Look it up. How are we imperialist? What country have we taken over and made part of Murka?
Fucking idiot…
Janet… I have yet to invite Reichert on, but of course, I’d love to have him. In fact, I intend to challenge Reichert and Burner to a series of on-air monthly debates. My guess is that Burner will accept. What do you think the chance is that Reichert will?
Hey, is ass one of the words you can’t say on radio? Does it matter if you refer to a horse, or a slimy opportunist like Timmy?
Roger Rabbit says :
“…All the war party needs to do is offer the bloodthirsty American public more competent warmongers.”
Sadlly so TRUE; see here
Rubberstamp Reichert for Puppet (WA-08)
It’s YOU Janet S who are tedious. And an idiot. First you demand equal time for Rubber Stamp Reichert. Then you claim no one is listening. Do you even try to make sense? And moreover, does it HURT to be so stupid?
In case any of you inbred righties don’t understand it, there is no equal time requirement. Your boy Ronnie Raygun saw to that.
And as Goldy says, he’d love to have Rubber Stamp Riechert on the show but like that lying piece of shit Timmy, he’s probably to cowardly to attend.
Janet S @ 12
“Leftturn – you are really tedious. But keep it up – if you actually come up with an original thought, no one will notice.”
I must second the sentiment of LeftTurn @ 20.
To the VAST majority of readers, Janet, you are the asswipe that is tedious. I mean…this is a liberal blog, so if you don’t like what LeftTurn has to say: GO THE FUCK AWAY, you fucking DOLT!
It’s as simple as that. Wingnuts like you who keep coming back are a bunch of masochistic dipshits for (1) Reading Goldy’s blog, and (2) trying to “participate” in the comment thread community. The self-loathing must be intense for you to keep coming back.
Mark the Thieving Redneck
“I notice you’ve been throwing around the word “imperialist” lately. Do you know what that word means? Look it up. How are we imperialist? What country have we taken over and made part of Murka?”
Ummmm….Mark, like your pretend understanding of statistics (i.e. your “chi-squared” analysis that you wanted someone to inappropriately apply to climiatological time series), I doubt you understand what the word “imperialist” means yourself.
You usually don’t know what the fuck you are talking about, or you rely on some wacked-out wingnut defintion to support your faux “arguments.”
Really, you are an idiot and a thief. Go away thief-boy–you are unwelcomed.
Hey, I haven’t heard you moonbats talk about global warming lately. What up with that? That’s your relgion now. You need to say over and over that “the scientific debate is over” and that we need to fuck up our economy to “fix” global warming.
Geez, do I hafta tell you guys everything?
Mark the Thieving Redneck @ 23
“Geez, do I hafta tell you guys everything?”
No…asshole…you don’t; we would all prefer that you keep your fucking trap shut, since you have not demonstrated that you have any real insight into the science or economics of global warming.
I mean, why the fuck would we listen to you? You’re an idiot!
Don’t forget to tune in for the 9 o’clock hour, bitches.
Hey DJ – How things down in Oly today? How’s that research going at a “major research institution”? LMAO… No, Bong U is NOT a major anything…
Shit…
DJ – Didja figure out what chi squared is yet? Tell me, are current temps within historical range or not? Just give me a yes or no. Fucking idiot…
And as Goldy says, he’d love to have Rubber Stamp Riechert on the show but like that lying piece of shit Timmy, he’s probably to cowardly to attend.
Commentby LeftTurn— 6/18/06@ 4:23 pm
Ahhhh. OK that enough LT. Let me zip up my pants already. Groupies. Geeez.
Goldy, I may profoundly disagree with many of your views, but I just want to say that I respect your willingness to put yourself out there. That’s what democracy is all about!
I would also like to thank dj for helping me to reconsider some of my views. I realize that I can get a little cocky sometimes, but I do think about what you say. In fact, I’ve started to question my ideas enough that I will be entering a master’s program in economics this fall.
Finally, I appreciate Roger’s discussion last night about pig anuses. You may not have noticed it, but it was quite a relief on my part to finally come out of the closet on that issue.
Darndest thing — you guys are starting to feel like family to me!
OK, Mark, the amoral jerk, from Science Magazine let’s try this again on climate change:
That hypothesis was tested by analyzing 928 abstracts, published in refereed scientific journals between 1993 and 2003, and listed in the ISI database with the keywords “climate change” (9).
The 928 papers were divided into six categories: explicit endorsement of the consensus position, evaluation of impacts, mitigation proposals, methods, paleoclimate analysis, and rejection of the consensus position. Of all the papers, 75% fell into the first three categories, either explicitly or implicitly accepting the consensus view; 25% dealt with methods or paleoclimate, taking no position on current anthropogenic climate change. Remarkably, none of the papers disagreed with the consensus position.
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/...../5702/1686
What’s your source? Surely not the 928 peer reviewed articles.
K – Just answer the fucking question. It really isn’t that hard. Are current temps within normal historical ranges? Yes or No?
Geez…
K, hold your fire. I went to see Gore’s movie last night, and I will admit that he makes some good points. I may be pretty smart, but I’m no so well trained in the hard sciences that I can categorically reject the findings of 928 peer-reviewed papers.
Where I come from we like to say that where there is smoke, there may very well be fire. The question is how much? I’m still thinking about that. Please be patient. This is new territory for me.
You answer my fucking question, what is your source for disputing climate change?
One of the most powerful moments in Gore’s movie was when he showed a graph displaying data that displayed the temperature and CO2 variations in Antartic ice over a 600,000 year period. The current temperatures, like the CO2 counts, are no longer within historical ranges. This is frankly alarming — and goes a long way toward explaining why major ice shelves have collapsed much faster than predicted. So I would concede that something is going on here.
Could we bag the political discourse/radio promo here for just a moment and wish a Happy Father’s Day to Mr. Goldstein?… Misguided tho’ he may be, I do believe he cares… That’s important.
Chuck
Goldy….
Could you ask the councilman phillips if the fact that KC elections is running at only 70% staff will affect the effectiveness of implementing this NEW SYSTEM?
Thanks
Chris
Mark the Thieving Redneck @ 26
“How things down in Oly today? How’s that research going at a “major research institution”? LMAO… No, Bong U is NOT a major anything…”
Sorry, Thief, once again, you have it completely wrong. I’ve spent less than a week in Olympia for my entire life.
Stupid fuck!
Mark the Thieving Redneck @ 26
“DJ – Didja figure out what chi squared is yet? Tell me, are current temps within historical range or not? Just give me a yes or no.”
Sorry, Redneck, a Chi-square “analysis” is an inappropriate technique for this type of test. You are a fool.
On second thought…you are you a fucking moron.
Yikes! Goldy – have Ron call back on another line.
Goldy
Please ask Ron if he votes at the Polls or Absentee?
So if you’re not at Bong U, which “major research institute” are you with? Can you even name one?
Also ask Ron if no NEW personell or equipment will be needed. That it will be less cumbersome.. He seems to be implying/making that point.
I would like to hear his response.
Thankyou
Chris
43.
I’ll name two (among many):
Woods Hole Research Center
U.S. Global Change Research Information Office
Ron Simms sounds totally muffled! Dana from Carnation came through perfectly clear. This is bad..
Roger Rabbit,
Why would it be a mistake to think the low poll numbers mean they are tired of this imperialistic war of aggression? Not that I am poll drive. Hell, if I were the last person on earth to think this is wrong, I could give a flying fuck. But what evidence do you have that is not the case?
And do we want to be associated with war mongers? Because those who voted for Democrats who voted for the war are just that – war mongers.
This thing has been going on for far too long. Enough is enough. No party loyalty should keep us from standing up and doing what ie right. Marching and protesting is one thing, but now we need action. This is the fourth quarter and the insanity has gone on long enough.
Is everyone going to put a politcal party loyalty ahead of their progressive beliefs? We need to make sure Darcy Burner is committed to bringing the troops home. She can make a difference if she makes it specifically her campaign platform to filibuster any and every bill until the troops are brought home. Will she do it? Is she a true progressive? Does she even care about her fellow human being blown apart in Iraq?
Sharkansky’s arguments are totally bogus. What a fraud!
Polling places feeeeel good. Your neighbours SEE you! Just empty propaganda.
Vote by mail systems are as transparent and verifiable as concerned citizens want them to be.
Josef!!! The Mary Lane fiend. Cut him off!
Harry @ 45:
I must concede that both of those research outfits are highly credible when it comes to global warming research. I apologize for referring to the as Bong U.; they are anything but.
Clueless @ 48
Why does Goldy advocate and says he likes poll voting….. Do you think Goldy is Bogus/fraud/full of propaganda too?
Hey Mark, if you can’t respond about peer review, you wouldn’t know a research institute if you bumped into one.
Funny I was checking around and couldn’t find a “Steffy” radio show. I guess USP isn’t as popular as HA! HE HE!
Funny I was checking around and couldn’t find a “Steffy” radio show. I guess USP isn’t as popular as HA! HE HE!
Goldy,
Can you ask Darcy, WHAT SHE IS GONNA DO FOR THE 8th? I dont need to hear about what Reichart is NOT GONNA DO…
Chris the Stefan fan @ 51
I like polling place voting too. I’ve never voted by mail myself. But like Goldy I’m pragmatic and realize that vote by mail is very popular and if instituted would save the county money just like it has in other places.
If citizens are concerned and involved there is no threat from monkey business even if Republicans are running things.
Sharansky is a fear monger and a demagogue and his arguments are emotion-driven and bogus.
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Why don’t you call in to the show and ask her yourself? Do you need your mother to wipe your ass, too?
55 – Darcy Burner is NOT going to be a rubber stamp for George Bush and the corrupt DeLay/Hastert machine.
What…did I hear that correctly. Was fucking Josef from Marummy County suggesting to Ron Sims that Mary Lane be hired to replace Dean Logan?????
Waahhhhhhh, haaaa, haaaaaa, haaaa, haaaaa. Woooooh, hooooo, hoooo, hoooo.
That is damn funny! …if only because it verbally confirms what us long-time HA readers have known for some time:
Josef is fucking insane!
No need to ask Darcy what she’ll do for the 8th Goldy. We already know. She’ll make sure that it’s no longer a rubber stamp for Bush regime policy. That’s good enough for me. Besides, no matter what she says, the inbred righties will attack her.
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“Finally, I appreciate Roger’s discussion last night about pig anuses.” Commentby Mark The Red Dick— 6/18/06@ 6:01 pm
I would sure hate to think anyone missed it — so here it is again!!!
“When Ann Coulter had her sex-change operation, they made her cunt from a pig’s anus, and you can get sex just as good at a hog farm.” Commentby Roger Rabbit— 6/18/06@ 12:20 am
Stefan sure has a greasy voice. He sounds like a bicycle wheel with too much WD-40 on it. No wonder he doesn’t have a show on KIRO!
Anyway, Stefan thinks poll voting is better than mail voting, but I don’t agree. Poll voting has its own problems, such as pollworkers walking off the job instead of following their supervisor’s instructions. I’ve worked as a pollworker twice now, and both times my polling place had problems with the machine the voters stick their ballots in.
But the real problem with our elections is the BAD FAITH of people who impugn the election process, slander elections administrators, and demand revotes if their candidate loses. Generally, these are the same people (or, at least, people of the same ideological persuasion) who try to win elections by keeping American citizens from voting in their own country, especially if they’re minorities.
Stefan talked about “trust.” Of course people won’t trust the elections process if partisan propagandists tell them the other side cheated when their candidate loses. My message to you, Stefan, is that if we’re ever gonna restore “trust” in elections, the first thing people have to do is stop lying about our elections. Get the hint?
Mark the Thieving Redneck,
“So if you’re not at Bong U, which “major research institute” are you with?”
Sorry…I’m not saying any more than I did here, although it would not be at all difficult to deduce my employer using only information I’ve posted on HA.
“Can you even name one?”
What the fuck kind of idiotic question is that? Of course I can. Many people without any college experience can name a few….
Isn’t Steffy the regional director of the Log Cabin republicans?
Clueless @ 56
Since you are convinced, and so is RON and Phillips, that the KC Elections dept can implement a NEW SYSTEM, with NO TOP MANAGEMENT in place, then go for it.
But when every caller (taxpayer/voter) goldy had tonight with the exception of Sims and Phillips, said they didnt like the idea, and EVERY person that Testified in front of the Council 2 weeks ago, said they DIDNT WANT VBM, when do the people/taxpayers/voters get a say in this……
You think the republicans are watching/fearmongering/bitching now, just wait till the council shoves this down their throats.
Ron Simms and Phillips too, obviously think they know BEST. They are both elected officals, but of course they control the Elections…..Ironic isnt it. But this shouldn’t be a partisan issue. It should be the public’s choice…..
I wrote each council person and executive simms regarding the lack of staff to implement this change right now. I hope they will listen to the People and Not the Party….
While we’re discussing elections, I think it’s disgusting that GOP operatives challenged the votes of soldiers deployed to Iraq because they didn’t answer letters the GOP sent to their stateside homes, simply because they lived in heavily Democratic minority precincts.
I’m not making this up. It was reported by the BBC. http://www.gregpalast.com/mass.....o-soldiers
The GOP got caught because one of their people got sloppy and sent e-mails with incriminating attachments to a non-party address. The attachments included “caging lists,” i.e., lists of voters targeted for disenfranchisement.
If people like Stefan Sharkansky really cared about election reform and voting fraud, he would pick up this story on his blog and demand the GOP stop using such tactics. His dead silence on any cheating, gaming, or misconduct committed by the GOP exposes him as a partisan fraud. Stefan doesn’t really care about honest elections. He only cares about tarring any election the GOP doesn’t win.
Why isn’t the “liberal media” picking up the BBC story? If the U.S. media was really “liberal” as wingfucks assert, they would be plastering this story all over the front page. Considering how “liberal” they supposedly are, the U.S. media sure buries a lot of stories embarrassing to the GOP and Bush administration. The truth is, U.S. media is overwhelmingly pro-Republican.
Roger
I dont want to get into a pissing match with you, but do you think KC elections can do this without full staff?
Chris- Sims and the Council have already determined the change must be elayed. The question is how long.
delayed
Chris @ 65
“Since you are convinced, and so is RON and Phillips, that the KC Elections dept can implement a NEW SYSTEM, with NO TOP MANAGEMENT in place, then go for it.”
Ummm…try to keep up here, Chris. It is not a new system. Right now eighty-some percent of KC already votes absentee. The system IS in place.
“But when every caller (taxpayer/voter) goldy had tonight with the exception of Sims and Phillips, said they didnt like the idea, and EVERY person that Testified in front of the Council 2 weeks ago, said they DIDNT WANT VBM, when do the people/taxpayers/voters get a say in this……”
Take a pill, dude, you are becoming apoplectic. Did I mention that eighty-some percent of KC voters vote by mail? Big fucking deal if a small vocal minority of people object. They can drop their ballots off at a regional center.
“You think the republicans are watching/fearmongering/bitching now, just wait till the council shoves this down their throats.”
Well, they can start by canciling their permanent absentee status. That would be a good, and productive, statement for theme to make.
“Ron Simms and Phillips too, obviously think they know BEST.”
No…but they can fucking read the numbers!
“They are both elected officals, but of course they control the Elections…..Ironic isnt it. But this shouldn’t be a partisan issue. It should be the public’s choice…..”
Oh, brother. Let me guess, you are another Rossi SORE LOSER, who has been brainwashied into believing that there was election fraud in 04. Get some help, asshole.
“I wrote each council person and executive simms regarding the lack of staff to implement this change right now. I hope they will listen to the People and Not the Party….”
I agree…but in this case, the market has spoken!
K @ 69
By listening to both simss and phillips tonight on goldys show, they both implied they are VOTING tommorrow on it. Maybe Goldy can shed some light on this, or another listener.
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Are you a pollworker, Chris? Are you willing to get up a 5 AM, show up at a polling place at 7 AM, and work until 9 PM, for $9 an hour? King County, like most voting jurisdictions in America, doesn’t have enough pollworkers. Some King County polling places, including the one I work at, don’t have any Republican pollworkers so they have to use people calling themselves “independents.” I wonder if the reverse isn’t true in some eastside polling places.
Poll voting is not inherently better or more secure than absentee voting. At least absentee ballots are handled by professional staff. Pollworkers receive minimal training and work only a couple days a year. Although most are honest and try to do a good job, their competence level is not very high.
Anyone who paid attention to the poll voting problems in Florida and Ohio understands that the real reason Republicans like you oppose mail voting is because it’s a lot easier to fuck with voters at polls. You can’t make mail voters wait hours in the rain to vote by locking voting machines in warehouses. You can’t station party operatives at polling places to challenge minority votes when people are voting by mail.
I’ll admit I’m not listening- (Miami down by 2 in the 4th)but the fact they vote tomorrow was determined by the fact that the legislation was intorduced before Logan’s resignation. This is the statement posted by Sims on his site:
“As for the vote-by-mail transition proposal currently before Council, my staff and I will evaluate over the next few weeks how Dean’s decision to move on will affect the plan. With Dean’s departure, it may not be possible to implement the plan by the 2007 primary as originally envisioned,” Sims said.
Roger……
That wasnt the question….I do appreciate your response.
Can KC Elections operate at 70% with NO Top Managment?
No matter what KC does, the righties will attack and complain. That is their strategy. They have no hope so all they can do is make allegations and try to thwart the will of the people. And we should NOT allow it. We should NOT debate or discuss this. We should do what’s fair and fuck em if they don’t like it. Remember this, if the righties were in charge, they wouldn’t care one bit about fairness. They care ONLY about winning. God help us all if that ever happens here.
We should get rid of all voting machines and go back to hand-counted paper ballots. The voter marks an “X” in a box on a piece of paper, and election workers from both parties count every ballot. This system is as foolproof as it’s possible to get. Is it labor intensive? Yes, but there’s plenty of senior citizens and other folks who need the paycheck. Is it expensive? Probably not as expensive as the voting machines nobody trusts. We don’t need to know by 8:15 PM on election night who won. It’s the media that pushes for that. The goal should not be to make the media happy, but to enable the public to feel confident of getting an honest election result.
Chris- read what I posted. THe resignation was unexpected. They are evaluating how to proceed.
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That IS the question, Chris. KC elections obviously can’t operate without management, but they can’t conduct poll voting without pollworkers, either. If you’re not willing to work at a polling place, then you can’t reasonably take poll voting for granted.
Leading up to the 2004 election, I read in the media that the U.S. as a whole had a shortfall of 500,000 pollworkers — that’s an average of 10,000 per state. Many of the senior citizens who did this work in the past, and have died or are now too old to do it anymore, can’t be replaced because the generations behind them are not willing to do this work. We are losing the generation that considered poll work a citizen duty, and the younger generations have different attitudes and values.
Roger…..Thanks for your response. I appreciate your candor and honesty.
K…. I am not arguing, just posting what I thought I heard, the vote will be tommorrow.
DJ….Fuck off. You don’t want to listen, you just want to spout off….I am not listening.
I worked at a polling place with several precincts, and we had one “inspector” and 6 “judges.” That’s 7 pollworkers who were each paid $9 an hour for 12 hours, or nearly $800. Only about 250 or so people came to the poll, and some of these just dropped off absentee ballots. So it costs King County taxpayers about $4 per voter to keep that polling place open. It serves around 30% of the people who vote, the rest vote by absentee.
We never hear the end of Republican bitching about taxes and paying for government services. If you guys want to spend $4 for every ballot cast in a polling place, then pay some fucking taxes for it.
Or maybe you think pollworkers should work for free?
Chris @ 81,
“DJ….Fuck off. You don’t want to listen, you just want to spout off….I am not listening.”
Sorry, Dolt, but you are so fucking apoplectic that you are making no sense whatsoever. Take a little time to learn about the fucking issues before wasting our time ’round here.
Roger….
I am not saying that going VBM is a BAD THING. I just think it is best to put it off until the Elections Dept is at 100%. The system in place is common to all the people in elections now.
All I am saying is, Put it off for now. Make the Elections Dept a Solid department (say 12months from now) and then make the change. If we do it now, all hell will break loose.
Why not have a secret ballot of all the person’s working in the Elections dept now, Ask them if they could handle this change with the lack of management.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12.....ek/page/2/
Looks like Baby Bush got caught trying to re-write history.
DJ @ 83
Did I strike a nerve??? Are you twitching???
Goldy — note to your guests — it was Rep. Jean Schmidt (R-Ohio) who called Rep. John Murtha a “cut and run” Democrat.
Schmidt is a flake. Even in her own heavily Republican district, she is controversial, and she barely beat Democrat Paul Hackett, an Iraq war veteran, in a special election.
Schmidt, a real estate multimillionaire, defeated her 2006 primary challenger by less than 4,000 votes after running a dirty campaign against him. In addition, several people and organizations whose names she used as endorsements repudiated her endorsement claims, and the Ohio Elections Commission unanimously voted to reprimand her for falsely claiming to have a degree from the University of Cincinatti.
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“I am not saying that going VBM is a BAD THING. I just think it is best to put it off until the Elections Dept is at 100%.”
Isn’t that what Sims did? I heard in the news last week that VBM has been delayed until 2008 because of Logan’s departure.
Jean Schmidt is one of those people who use their own money to buy a political office.
Roger….
Both Phillips and Sims said tonight that it is being voted on tommorrow. Maybe Goldy can shed some light on this subject when he is done with his radio broadcast…
Any other listener’s hear ????
Chris @ 86
“Did I strike a nerve??? Are you twitching???”
No, not at all. And, NoO oOO oOOOo, why do you ask?
Goldstein,
Your show is too much “inside politics” and too partisan to interest me on an ongoing basis. And I’m a Democrat.
Chris – I’ve seen your cheerleading for Stefan “Minnow” Sharansky at (un)SP.
The truth is, almost all the fraud (dead voters, double voters–of which there are more than you think, based on research, the felon who voted straight from prison, illegal Fatal pends that got counted but shouldn’t have, according to Huennekens) that happened was in the mail ballots. KCE has not a good enough system of checks and balances yet for that. You can register out of a Mailpost store claim residence in a small box, and KCE will take it. Too much opportunity for fraud. We have the right NOT to be disenfranchised by illegal votes. Sigs are tough to match and Dow Constantine even commented they change daily. KCE has not provided requested info as needed.
Clean up your act, KCE, before you create even more messes.
http://www.metrokc.gov/mkcc/ThisWeek.htm
Its on the Agenda.
Mr Clueless @ 93
So you are saying that my opinion doesn’t count HERE because I visit the “Other Blog”…. Men and their Ego’s….Jeezzzz.. Don’t let the “Competition” get the best of you……
Roger…. I appreciate all your honesty, and it has been a pleasure “blogging” with you….Even with all your rants, you are a very enlightening, up to date, and an informative Rabbit. I appreciate you being human with me….Even if you are a Rabbit ;).
We should get rid of all voting machines and go back to hand-counted paper ballots. The voter marks an “X” in a box on a piece of paper, and election workers from both parties count every ballot. This system is as foolproof as it’s possible to get. Is it labor intensive? Yes, but there’s plenty of senior citizens and other folks who need the paycheck. Is it expensive? Probably not as expensive as the voting machines nobody trusts. We don’t need to know by 8:15 PM on election night who won. It’s the media that pushes for that. The goal should not be to make the media happy, but to enable the public to feel confident of getting an honest election result. -Commentby Roger Rabbit— 6/18/06@ 8:56 pm
well damn rabbit…we agree! Another conservative hug for that pesky rabbit!
Goldstein,
The other comment I’d like to make about your show is that it is obvious that you really don”t know very much about local issues.
You know about political races but you don’t seem very familiar with the region and its issues.
Or at least it doesn’t come across so far.
Personally, as a Democrat, I am not interested in further partisan Democratic interests. The local Party just doesn’t have enough smarts to make me care about making sure Democrats are re-elected if they are so overtly and foolishly partisan — “My Party right or wrong!” – as you seem to be.
Seattle Man @ 97
“The other comment I’d like to make about your show is that it is obvious that you really don’’t know very much about local issues.”
What the fuck? If you want to discuss a non-election local issue, call the fucking show, don’t bitch about it here. I mean, Goldy scheduled discussion of the 8th CD race and KC elections issues, but the third hour is open to the whim of callers!
Call in and find out for yourself if Goldy understands local issues.
p.s. whatever you do, don’t ask about the school closure issue!!!!!
A caller named “Jim” is asking Goldy how Gregoire won the final recount. The answer is that the counting machines did not count all the ballots. If you look at the actual recount numbers, all candidates gained additional votes with each successive recount, because ballots the machines couldn’t read were counted the second and third times around. There was virtually no shifting of votes from one candidate’s column to another candidate’s column.
In King County, the ballots are counted by Diebold Opti-Scan machines/ These machines can’t read ballots if the “timing marks” along the edges are frayed, if there are stray marks on the ballot, or if the oval is not completely filled in.
Washington law says ballots are to be counted according to the voter’s intent. In many cases where the scanning machines can’t read ballots, who the voter voted for is obvious on visual inspection. These ballots usually are not controversial and the party observers typically agree on which candidate the voter was for. However, in cases of ambiguous marks or where there is disagreement, the ballot goes to the canvassing board for a decision.
Gregoire won the election without canvassing board ballots. At the end of the hand recount, she was ahead of Rossi by 8 votes. By then, King County was the only canvassing board that had not reported. This is because King County has far more ballots than any other county. The KC canvassing board’s disposition of disputed ballots resulted in additional votes for all three gubernatorial candidates, but Gregoire made a net gain of another 121 votes. Finally, Judge Bridges’ decision in the election contest lawsuit subtracted 4 fraudulent votes from Rossi’s total.
dj,
I’ll do any damn thing I want.
I am writing it here as constructive criticism which he can read later….don’t like it, too bad, fella.
95 – Chris, I visit the other blog too.
That’s where I saw your cheerleading for Sharansky.
You not only “visit” the other blog – it’s clear to me you that you are sympathetic to the ugly demagogic style over there.
Clueless @ 101
Is it a CRIME to visit????? Are you sympathetic to old ladies who need help crossing the crosswalk???
I am not parading any agenda here, just my opinion about KC Elections being poorly staffed…..
I havent been a cheerleader since 7th grade by the way, I CAN THINK for myself, thank you very much…..
This Petty Blog Bashing takes away from good discussion…..
Goldy’s final caller. Beverly, is talking about abortion. She’s apparently a right-to-life Democrat. I don’t know if you read HorsesAss, Beverly, but I want you to know that I agree with your argument that abortion is contrary to core a Democratic value, compassion for the weak and defenseless (and who is weaker and more defenseless than an unborn child). Also, although I am not Catholic, and have some problems with some of the Church’s positions on procreation (for example, opposing birth control exacerbates population problems), I certainly understand that many Catholics are traditionally Democrats and are repulsed by the Democratic Party’s support of abortion rights.
But I think Goldy made a valid point, too — that Democrats generally are not one-issue voters. I understand the strong feelings about the abortion issue, but refusing to vote only helps elect Republicans, and you have to balance the Democrats’ unsatisfactory (to you) position on abortion against the unsatisfactory policies that will result from Republicans winning elections.
One must not forget that Republicans’ support of war, killing and torturing civilians in other countries, and their opposition to family planning overseas that reduces population and starvation, and their opposition to things here at home like aid for the poor, public education, public health, and so on, goes far to offset any moral advantage the GOP might claim by reason of their pro-life stance on the abortion issue. Sadly, charges that Republicans only care about children until they’re born has way too much truth to it.
97, 100
Seattle Man —
First of all, the differences between Republicans and Democrats today are so stark that I don’t see how anyone who can honestly call himself a “Democrat” could vote Republican or fail to support Democratic candidates, which is nearly the same thing. The Democratic Party is a big tent and there’s always something under it to disagree with. The solution is to get active in the party and work for the issues you care about.
Second, Goldy is a relatively recent transplant to Washington, so of course he doesn’t know all the local issues, or understand all of the nuances. Hell, the vast majority of native-born Washingtonians don’t know very much about the issues confronting this state. Water is a big one, but how many people around here know anything about water? Our growth and transportation issues are very complicated. How many people know we have a looming higher education crisis — i.e., not enough room in our public colleges for qualified and deserving students? How many Washington voters have ever read the Gates Commission Report, or comprehend that our state tax system is profoundly flawed? How many people do you personally know who can tell you that in Washington, 41% of state and local taxes are paid by small businesses, compared to an average of 30% in other western states? How many voters know that the poorest fifth of Washington households pay four times the percentage of their income to state and local taxes as the richest fifth (17% vs. 4%)? It takes years to learn all the ins and outs of the issues facing our state’s citizens. Goldy has done a good job in the time he’s been here, and he will grow more knowledgeable as time goes on.
82.
I worked a polling place in Burien, and we were short two workers during the March election, so we had only five people to accept 110 ballots.
Five workers make $118.00 to handle 110 ballots, that 5.36 per ballot for labor.
A mailed in ballot costs about $0.20 in labor to be readied for tabulation.
The overhead costs are different, but not nearly enough different to make up for the $5.00 disparity in the initial handling.
Republicans sure like to spend the county money.
95
You’re welcome. I long for the day when people of all persuasions can again have honest differences of opinion and talk about issues instead of each other’s patriotism (or alleged lack thereof). This will be a better country when the Ann Coulters and Karl Roves slink into oblivion, and Republicans and Democrats are again cutting deals in smoke-filled rooms.
But until then, it’s not my fault that Republicans are unpatriotic America-hating fascists! I gotta play the hand I’m dealt.
A big hole in the argument that poll voting is safer than vote-by-mail is the fact that election inspectors receive the voting machines on the Sunday before election day.
Anyone who doesn’t see the potential for mischief in a single person having exclusive control of a programmable device for more than twenty-four hours isn’t thinking very clearly.
NEWSWEEK: INFLATION THREAT GROWING
For months, I’ve been attacking Bush’s economic policies (especially deficit spending) as inflationary. This week, Newsweek economics columnist Robert J. Samuelson writes,
“We have an inflation problem that we need to cure before it gets worse. … Inflation … is clearly rising. … In the past three months, the increase in the CPI on an annualized basis (projected for a year) is 5.7 percent.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13...../newsweek/
CHRIST GOLDY THOSE WERE GREAT QUESTIONS YOU ALLOWED DARCY TO ANSWER.YOUR A FUCKIN HACK.YOU MAY LAST TO THE END OF THE MONTH.DID YOUR BUDDY SIMMS BLOW YOU AFTER THE SHOW.AND WHO THE FUCK WERE THE TWO LAST WACK JOBS YOU HAD ON.THATA ALL FOR YOU BACK TO DRUDE AT LEAST HE CAN RUN A RADIO SHOW SOMETHING YOU ARE UNABLE TO DO.
Chris @ 102
“I am not parading any agenda here, just my opinion about KC Elections being poorly staffed…..”
Perhaps, but you are badly misinformed by your “other reading habit.” Sharkansky choses to use atypical “case studies” to evoke emotional responses from his readers, rather than providing objective quantitative analyses. The result is a very biased view of the KC elections process.
In other words, you’ve been sucked in.
ENOUGH ALREADY @ 111
“CHRIST GOLDY THOSE WERE GREAT QUESTIONS YOU ALLOWED DARCY TO ANSWER.YOUR A FUCKIN HACK.YOU MAY LAST TO THE END OF THE MONTH.DID YOUR BUDDY SIMMS BLOW YOU AFTER THE SHOW.AND WHO THE FUCK WERE THE TWO LAST WACK JOBS YOU HAD ON.THATA ALL FOR YOU BACK TO DRUDE AT LEAST HE CAN RUN A RADIO SHOW SOMETHING YOU ARE UNABLE TO DO.”
Ahhh…yes, but you simply COULD NOT resist listening. You are, yet, another of those self-hating assholes who must punish themselves by listening to something they find painful.
It’s assholes like you who are fucking up the world.
But, be sure to listen next week…and imagine your mother strapping your ass with a belt—you’ll work out those deamons yet.
There are actually two kinds of inflation, monetary inflation and structural inflation. Bush’s deficit spending and the Federal Reserve’s easy-credit policies are creating monetary inflation. What makes these policies especially dangerous is that we have structural inflation in the form of permanently higher oil prices.
The economic growth and rising living standards of the last 100 years is attributable in major part to the substitution of cheap oil for more expensive and less efficient energy sources such as coal. But as with any natural resource, the cheapest supplies of oil were the first used, and while they’re not yet used up , the cheap sources can no longer supply world demand, and we’re now consuming a mixture of Saudi oil that costs $2.50 a barrel to produce and more expensive oils, such as arctic oil and Canadian tar sands oil that costs up to $20 a barrel to produce. This situation will only get worse as the world’s aging supergiant fields, the source of cheap oil, dry up and the proportion of expensive oil in the overall supply increases.
In other words, the rising productivity and living standards of the last century were the upslope of a bell shaped curve, and we’re now on the downslope of that curve. Unless we can overcome the rising real cost of oil with conservation and technology, living standards and real incomes in energy-intensive First World economies not only will stop rising but will fall.
Inflation is the mechanism that will devalue our incomes and reduce our wealth. Higher real energy prices will spread through the entire economy, raising the price of virtually everything. Because businesses will face higher real costs, they will not be able to compensate their workers for higher nominal prices by raising wages. Prices will rise faster than incomes and the real standard of living will decline.
Because we are entering a period of rising real energy costs, it is sheer madness to layer monetary inflation on top of it. Bush’s deficit-financed tax cuts are flooding the economy with devalued currency, and are stimulating the economy when it needs to be slowed. The Federal Reserve will have to raise interest rates to counteract the stimulative effect of Bush’s cheap money. If it doesn’t, inflation will explode into double digits as we saw in the wake of the deficit-financed Vietnam War, to be followed by double-digit interest rates and the double-digit unemployment that racked our nation during the Reagan Depression of 1982-1983.
The inflation caused by rising real energy costs is a big enough monster by itself without asking for more trouble by indulging in monetary inflationary. Bush’s economic policies are folly, and we will pay dearly for his deceptively alluring tax cuts and deficit budgets.
111
It couldn’t have been that bad … after all, you listened to it.
Thanks for your support on mail voting only. Since you don’t know who actually fills out a mail ballot, and since corporate fascists have plenty of money, we ought to be able to buy enough votes to stay in power. I have long suspected that some of the votes we paid for weren’t actually cast in the voting booth; this way we can look at the vote before we pay for it.
dj IS PISSED OF BECAUSE HE JUST FOUND OUT THAT HIS BROTHER IS HIS DAD.
HEY dJ ARE YOU SHARING THE AIRPLANE GLUE WITH YOUR BUDS.REMEMBER TO TAKE A GOOD SUCK.OH THATS RIGHT YOUR GOOD AT SUCKING.LOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSER
rightwinger @ 117
“Thanks for your support on mail voting only. Since you don’t know who actually fills out a mail ballot, and since corporate fascists have plenty of money, we ought to be able to buy enough votes to stay in power. I have long suspected that some of the votes we paid for weren’t actually cast in the voting booth; this way we can look at the vote before we pay for it.”
Is this bad satire, or are you fucking babbling?
ENOUGH ALREADY @ 118
“dj IS PISSED OF BECAUSE HE JUST FOUND OUT THAT HIS BROTHER IS HIS DAD”
Yes, but what better day to learn this than father’s day.
Ok…show over, EA, go back to hating yourself….
There is NO oil replacement on the horizon. One of the fundamental determinants of real energy costs is the amount of energy input needed to extract the resource. In Saudi oilfields, it takes the equivalent of 1 barrel of oil to extract 30 barrels.
The poverty of the “hydrogen economy” touted by Bush is illustrated by the fact that it takes more than 1 unit of energy input to get 1 unit of energy. With current technology, hydrogen is not an “energy source” at all, but merely an energy medium — a means of converting one form of energy into another, that comes at a net cost in energy.
None of the potential energy substitutes for oil have an energy input to energy output ratio anywhere near 1:30. Those with the best potential, such as the most efficient biofuels production processes, are in the range of 1:2 to 1:3. In other words, you have to produce 40 barrels of biodiesel to fill a 30-gallon fuel tank. The rest is consumed by farm machinery and the processing plant. Producing marginal oil, such as that from deepwater petroleum deposits, arctic fields, tar sands, and shale oil, require much higher energy inputs than Middle East oil. Converting coal to petroleum products requires even higher inputs.
When input-to-output ratios fall to that level, you get in a position where you need to produce 300 million barrels of oil-equivalent to get 200 million barrels of consumable products. That has major implications for the real cost of energy inputs into our economy, and for economic efficiency and productivity. We simply aren’t going to get as much consumption from a given amount of economic inputs in the future.
YO @ 119
Scene: a fish-like chromosomal abnormality raises it silvery head and squeaks out:
“HEY dJ ARE YOU SHARING THE AIRPLANE GLUE WITH YOUR BUDS.REMEMBER TO TAKE A GOOD SUCK.OH THATS RIGHT YOUR GOOD AT SUCKING.LOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSER”
Awwwwww…YO…you are still hanging in there. YO is normally a lethal anuploidy, but our own little horsesass.org YO has been hanging tough. He may look like a fish and have the IQ of a fish scale, but he is ours…all ours.
Hang tough, little fella. We love you.
117
I’m convinced Republicans are cheating and stealing elections, but not by the means you describe. The GOP’s m.o. is to suppress voter turnout in areas that favor the opposition by a variety of means, and possibly to stuff the ballot boxes by manipulating electronic voting machines.
Prof. Jared Diamond, in his book “Collapse,” analyzes examples of ancient and contemporary societal collapses. His striking conclusion is that in these cases, environmental degradation was the cause of economic collapses that led to poverty, depopulation, and social unrest.
Environmental degradation takes many forms, the most serious of which is deforestation. But soil erosion and salinization, water pollution, and overexploitation of food sources also play a role in rendering human habitats uninhabitable.
It is now believed, for example, that the American Southwest’s cliff dwelling communities were abandoned because of deforestation and soil erosion that rendered the surrounding land incapable of producing adequate food supplies.
Easter Island is perhaps the world’s best example of a microcosm human society. This island was merely the remotest and last of the Pacific islands to be colonized by peoples who originated from the Asian mainland. After a few centuries of human occupation, Easter Island was denuded of the large trees required to make the ocean-going canoes that got the original settlers to the island in the first place, and from then on, Easter Island’s native population was totally isolated from the rest of the world and completely deprived of the ability to obtain by trade any needed materials or goods not available on the island itself, until the arrival of European sailing ships in the late 1700s. By then, the island’s overexploited environment had already collapsed, and the European explorers found only remnant survivors of what was once a populous and thriving civilization.
Easter Island was completely denuded of trees, and subsequently lost nearly all of its native birds and animal species. When canoe-making wood became unavailable, the islanders lost access to most of the fish species they had been living on. Of course, they also ate all of the terrestrial fauna. When the end came, the only meat available to them was rats.
Easter Island is a windy place, and once the island was stripped of its trees, it also was stripped of its soils, and the settlers’ agriculture collapsed. The island ultimately suffered an extreme population crash, from an estimated 30,000 humans to a little over 100.
Republicans scoff at environmentalists as alarmists, and respond to arguments that we must manage our resources for sustainability with hostility. The world and all of humanity are merely a macrocosm of Easter Island. Planet Earth is our capital, and if we eat our capital, the end result will be human extinction or at least a human population crash, accompanied by a drastic decline in living standards. We cannot cut our forests faster than they regrow without ultimately deforesting our continent and losing our wood resources. We cannot pump water out of underground aquifers faster than they recharge without drying up the aquifer and ending up with no water supply. We cannot extract nutrients from the soil faster than we put them back in without ultimately bankrupting the soil’s ability to grow useful crops. We cannot overfish the world’s fisheries without destroying them.
Jared argues that First World consumption cannot be sustained. But we live in a world in which Third World populations aspire to First World living standards. The trend is toward increasing, not stable or decreasing, human impact on the planet’s resources.
Jared also points out that collapses occur very quickly. A human society that took centuries or millenia to reach its peak population and consumption of resources can collapse in as little as 10 to 20 years. The trajectory of environmental overexploitation and resource exhaustion is not a symmetrical bell-shaped curve; it is a gradual upward climb followed by a vertical plunge.
Wingnuts may be right about one thing: If we follow their stupid environmental policies, the end of the world could be just around the corner.
When all you stupid humans are dead, rabbits will rule!
I am not impressed with Darcy Burner. Too cowardly to pledge to bring the troops home now. If she get elected, she will join all the other cogs in the war machine. The blood of all those people yet to die in the imperialistic aggression will be on the hands of those that vote for her.
“Progressive” @ 127
“she will join all the other cogs in the war machine.”
Umm…and just what evidence do you base this on? Or are you just another wingnut spouting bullshit?
Liked the show tonight. Glad I don’t have to make a decision whether or not to vote for Darcy. She’s a little on the lightweight side . . . just doesn’t have the conviction in her voice, or sound like she has the maturity to stand up to the big guys. I don’t know. I wasn’t impressed. Sort of like she was running for president of the senior class.
Liked the hour with Sims and Philips because you let them talk a lot. I like hearing what guests have to say. So many hosts try to be starts themselves. You listen very well. Same thing with Connelly. He sounded a little put out at first but came around. Also, thanks again for letting people who call in finish their sentences/thoughts. Well done.
Finally, the blogging hour was so-so. Keep it from being too inside – too much neighborliness. Make it more informative. Net neutrality would have been a great issue. Or bloggers with a little more passion for the topic. Pike Place guy was more interesting. What is wrong with women . . . why do they always have to come across as cute. Molly needs more passion.
Well, that’s my review of your program tonight, Goldy. And since I’m a media consultant in disguise, you should listen to me. (not) (LOL)
DJ @128,
I haven’t heard her take a stand on pulling the troops out. Did I miss it? (Please say yes). What is her plan to pull the troops out?
So please tell me, what is your opinion of those Democrats that went along with Bush in his imperialistic war?
I am frankly tired of people who say one thing and do another.
“Am I a wingnut?” (dj)
Shit. Are you really a progressive?
skagit:
Is it that, for you, women seem to have a “passion deficit”? I think Mollie did pretty well, considering that it was only our second time on radio (at least for me).
As for Darcy Burner, she’s not some firebrand crazy person. She’s competant and fair, and doesn’t take marching orders from anyone (unlike the Sheriff).
What is wrong with women . . . why do they always have to come across as cute?
Why does Mollie come across as cute? Maybe because she IS cute. But thanks for the compliment.
I think it is nice of your to care . . . maybe she was just off her game or a little tentative in the limelight. I’m for more women in media and in politics. Esp. politics because I think women bring a different perspective and one that is sorely needed. But, they have to have it in their hearts as well as their minds and the passion has to show. I watched Murtha on TV and there was so much she could have added to the discussion. just so much!
I was talking about Mollie above. As for Darcy, time will tell.
Pike Place Man . . .
forget what I said above . . . KIRO is a big-time radio and schmoozing with friends won’t make it. Mollie, you and anybody else that wants David to succeed has to be up to the job. The talk has to be engaging and interesting. So, I don’t care if she’s cute or you’re offended or anything else. I like the show and want it to stay on.
RE Darcy . . . same thing. She may be just the perfect little candidate according to you but if she can’t sell herself, she’s going nowhere. And what I heard tonight doesn’t sound promising. So, again, we’ll see.
Rubberstamp Reichert
“progressive” @ 130
“I haven’t heard her take a stand on pulling the troops out. Did I miss it? (Please say yes). What is her plan to pull the troops out?”
I don’t think she discussed the war in the roughly 15 minutes on the air. However she is not a hawk (I’ve discussed this with her in a small group setting).
What the fuck were you thinking…that we are going to solve the Iraq quagmire by keeping Riechert in office? I think it is fair to say that Burner falls to the left of Murtha….
“So please tell me, what is your opinion of those Democrats that went along with Bush in his imperialistic war?”
Well, first, I am not a Democrat, so I will not even parse this into a Dem v. Pub issue. I was pissed—really pissed—at those who voted to transfer that power from congress to the President. I though the administration’s snow job about the dangers of Iraq were complete bullshit, and since then we have learned that war with Iraq was pre-determined, and the justification was built on lies and exaggerations. Indeed, I believe the lawmakers who were naive enought to be hoodwinked by BushCo should be punished, but those needs are secondary to (1) removing as much power as possible from the incompetent, lying administration, (2) holding BushCo accountable for their war crimes and crimes against Americans. Putting Darcy in office will take us one step closer to those two goals.
“I am frankly tired of people who say one thing and do another.”
I learned my lesson about being pragmatic a long time ago—when I voted for John Anderson for president, thereby contributed to Ronald Reagan’s victory.
“Shit. Are you really a progressive?”
I’m a liberal…some of my views are progressive, others less so.
I’m voting for anyone with a D. in front of their name. Republicans can go take a hike over a scenic cliff that they just sold to cover some of the interest on the debt they’ve incurred in our name.
Republicans have learned how to get elected by playing on people’s prejudices but most Americans are on to that game. Republican equals irresponsibility and incompetence in the minds of the majority of Americans.
129
Yeah, I know you wingfucks like certainty — you’d rather be dead wrong than a little indecisive.
Yeah, I know you wingfucks like certainty – you’d rather be dead wrong than a little indecisive. -Commentby Roger Rabbit— 6/19/06@ 11:28 am
Actually rabbit, there was an editorial about that very thing today in WND. (I know, I know…ewww right wing, blah, blah, blah,…just don’t go there, the riff is stale.)
Commentby dj— 6/18/06@ 8:18 pm
NO, I didn’t want another partisan like Dean Logan or Mary Lane counting votes.
You answer my fucking question, what is your source for disputing climate change?
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dj@136,
“I don’t think she discussed the war in the roughly 15 minutes on the air. However she is not a hawk (I’ve discussed this with her in a small group setting).”
The most important issue of the day and she didn’t say one word. Tells me a lot.
“What the fuck were you thinking…that we are going to solve the Iraq quagmire by keeping Riechert in office? I think it is fair to say that Burner falls to the left of Murtha….”
That is a fucking red herring. I never advocated anyone voting for him. But what does it gain us to put in a puppet that will go along with the Reicherts out there? In Germany, the Nazi’s were able to aminain control nto because they had soldiers to keep the people in line, but because they had passive people who, while didn’t advocate killing the jews, they didn’t oppose it with all their being either.
Lack of full on opposition amounts to tacit cooperation with the war machine.
“Well, first, I am not a Democrat, so I will not even parse this into a Dem v. Pub issue. I was pissed—really pissed—at those who voted to transfer that power from congress to the President. I though the administration’s snow job about the dangers of Iraq were complete bullshit, and since then we have learned that war with Iraq was pre-determined, and the justification was built on lies and exaggerations. Indeed, I believe the lawmakers who were naive enought to be hoodwinked by BushCo should be punished, but those needs are secondary to (1) removing as much power as possible from the incompetent, lying administration, (2) holding BushCo accountable for their war crimes and crimes against Americans. Putting Darcy in office will take us one step closer to those two goals.”
Is she is so ashamed to even talk about taking a stand, how can I trust that once she gets in she will take a stand? She seems to be even afraid to talk about opposing the war.
“I learned my lesson about being pragmatic a long time ago—when I voted for John Anderson for president, thereby contributed to Ronald Reagan’s victory.”
You call it pragmatic, I call it not being true to your beliefs. I would rather lose on principle than win on “pragmatism”. Your “pragmatism” helped get us into this damn war in the first place.
Frankly, if this country is going to be an rogue nation in the world’s eyes, I’d rather progressives not be associated with it in any way.
If no politician has the courage to take a stand then this damn war will continue on and on and on. And while you sit at home, comfortable in your “pragmatism” innocent people are being blown to bits.
Congratulations on your being liberal and not progressive. When the final history is written and the last body counted, liberals and conservatives alike will bear the burden of the hundreds of thousands who have ben destroyed.
Is there no one who has the courage to act to stop this insanity? Or is the intoxicating effect of power so alluring as to anesthetize the conscience?
Is it too much to ask that any politician asking for your vote publicly say what they shall do and publicly do what they say? Or has our humanity taken second seat to our zeal to win at all costs, even our soul?
America has no conscience anymore. Hasn’t that been obvious since 2004?
Sometimes I’m resigned to it. After we kill all living creatures besides ourselves, we’ll start on ourselves. A macro Easter Island . . . Maybe since this seems inevitable, we are the fools for not enjoying the ride while we can.
“Progressive” @ 142
“The most important issue of the day and she didn’t say one word. Tells me a lot.”
Hey, asshole, if you didn’t call in and ask a question, then quit ya bitching. Sheesh…why do you expect other people to do YOUR fucking research?
“That is a fucking red herring. I never advocated anyone voting for him. But what does it gain us to put in a puppet that will go along with the Reicherts out there?”
What the fuck are you talking about? Puppet of Reichert???? That is your impression of Darcy? If so, you’re fucking daffy.
“In Germany, the Nazi’s were able to aminain control nto because they had soldiers to keep the people in line, but because they had passive people who, while didn’t advocate killing the jews, they didn’t oppose it with all their being either.”
Yes…indeed…looney and babbling. I think you need to get to know Darcy…I am certain you will be pleasantly surprised.
“Lack of full on opposition amounts to tacit cooperation with the war machine.”
Ummmm…no…not unless you are whacked out at one end of the ideological spectrum or the other. Your statement amounts to saying that the only solution is a revolution. And, that ain’t going to happen. If you are unwilling to work within the political system (i.e. by voting and using your freedom of expression to effectively convince lawmakers and other citizens to change their views, enact change, and put better electeds in office) then you are, in effect, doing nothing at all.
“Is she is so ashamed to even talk about taking a stand, how can I trust that once she gets in she will take a stand? She seems to be even afraid to talk about opposing the war.”
Ummm…no, I think she just did not have the opportunity. Again, I have heard her speak on the topic of Bush’s blunder. I think most left-leaning folks would strongly approve of her stances. But, since the topic did not come up in 15 minutes of airtime, you are dismissing her as a “Reichert puppet?” If so you are a fucking fool. If you really need to know her stances, why not contact her campaign and get a statement from them? Or show up at one of her public events and ask her? She is very approachable.
“You call it pragmatic, I call it not being true to your beliefs. I would rather lose on principle than win on “pragmatism”.”
The difference is that I prefer to WIN. I mean, idealism is great, and communicating idealistic positions is an important part of political speech for persuasion of electeds and citizens. But, idealism has minimal place at the ballot box (in our electoral system, anyway), where elections almost always come down to run-offs between two people. One of those people will pursue goals more in line with your thinking, one will not. In November, either Darcy Burner or Dave Reichert will win. If Darcy wins she will pursue a progressive agenda. If Reichert wins he will continue being a tool of the PNAC Wingnuts. If you want progressive change, help put Darcy in office. It is as simple as that.
“Your “pragmatism” helped get us into this damn war in the first place.”
No…I believe the assholes who voted for Bush and Nader got us into this war. Are you one of those assholes who voted for Nader, “progressive?”
“Frankly, if this country is going to be an rogue nation in the world’s eyes, I’d rather progressives not be associated with it in any way.”
Oh…now THERE’S a practical suggestion. (NOT!)
“If no politician has the courage to take a stand then this damn war will continue on and on and on.”
Agreed…but the way that is going to happen through the electoral process is FIRST to get rid of the Wingnut majority in one or both chambers of congress.
“And while you sit at home, comfortable in your “pragmatism” innocent people are being blown to bits.”
Nope…I am actually very active on a number of fronts in getting rid of the Wingnuts and protesting the war. You, on the other hand, seem to be bitching and launching into hyperbole that has nothing PRACTICAL to offer. Have you been raising funds for “your” candidates? Have you been donating your own money to get someone better elected? Have you been using your creative skills to get a progressive message out to the masses? (I’ve been working on all of these fronts.)
“Congratulations on your being liberal and not progressive. “
Why thank you. Although, as I mentioned before I am progressive on some issues and less so on others.
“When the final history is written and the last body counted, liberals and conservatives alike will bear the burden of the hundreds of thousands who have ben destroyed.”
I strongly suspect you are wrong. History will largely blame the Bush administration and the PNAC Wingnuts for misleading the American people and the Congress in something of a 9/11-induced witch-hunt. History will recognize BushCo as pursuing a disastrously naive invasion of Iraq. With any luck, history will record trials in The Hague, conviction and execution of Bush and his top aids for crimes against humanity. But, don’t hold your breath on that last one.
In closing Mr./Ms. Progressive, your ideas seem so whacked out that it is difficult to tell whether you are genuine (albeit naive) progressive or whether you are a wingnut shill.
Puddy: You are so right about the Canada Free Press. But those liberals don’t read, they don’t think, they smile and swallow the white streaky kool-aid
145 – “dj”
“Hey, asshole, if you didn’t call in and ask a question, then quit ya bitching. Sheesh…why do you expect other people to do YOUR fucking research?”
I tried to call in but I only had a cell phone. I am on the road a lot for my work.
I heard Gregoire tell Bush to bring the troops home. I haven’t heard anything out of Darcy’s campaign that even comes close.
“What the fuck are you talking about? Puppet of Reichert???? That is your impression of Darcy? If so, you’re fucking daffy.”
What in the hell do you call all the Democrats “Liberals” who voted for the god damn war asshole? The loyal opposition? I call them motherfucking warmonger puppets. I could care less what the hell the letter is after their name. Did it matter to the dead jews in Germany if it was the Gestapo or the SS that lit the match for the ovens? The motherfuckers were still dead you moron.
“No…I believe the assholes who voted for Bush and Nader got us into this war. Are you one of those assholes who voted for Nader, “progressive?””
Only assholes who sent the people that voted for the war are responsable. Did you vote for one of them? My vote for Nader was a vote for principle. The damn D or R, who gives a fuck if the outcome is the same?
We trusted those motherfucker Democrats to oppose Bush. Instead they all got down on their knees and polished his motherfucking knob! I call that whoring bitch. And if you aren’t willing to make sure that the person you vote for is iron clad set to stop this fucking war, then you are just as responsible for it.
Well you “protested” isn’t that sweet. I bet you got your picture on TV so mommy could say “Look, there is my little Dick Job right there! “. Meanwhile ten Iraqi kids just got all of the innards blown out like confetti. But I guess as long as Dick Job “Feels Good” it is OK huh?
“If Darcy wins she will pursue a progressive agenda.”
Now how do you know that for sure? All those people that voted for the Democrats that said THEY would persue a progressive agenda and turned around and voted for that fucking war.
All I really want is for her to publicly sign a pledge stating she will filibuster if necessary to end the war. Think about it. If she filibusters, the war machine grinds to a halt. No money, no bullets no war. You act like I am asking for a left nut or something. All I want is proof before I hand over my support.
You can go here to see who voted for the Iraq War:
http://www.senate.gov/legislat.....vote=00237
Cantwell voted for it. She has blood on her hands. I want to make sure we do not get another Cantwell. If I vote for Dacry Burner and she pulls a Cantwell, then I am just as guilty as if I had voted for Reichert, now aren’t I?
Consoling ones self because they voted Democrat isn’t going to put those little Iraqi kids back together.
If it is too much for Darcy Burner to publicly pledge to filibuster the war until the machine comes to a grinding halt, then she isn’t worthy of progressive voters.
“Progressive” @ 148
“I heard Gregoire tell Bush to bring the troops home. I haven’t heard anything out of Darcy’s campaign that even comes close.”
Ummm…earth to “progressive,” Darcy Burner is not an elected official (yet). She has, however, discussed strategies for stopping the Bush war machine. Have you read her diaries on Kos?
“What in the hell do you call all the Democrats “Liberals” who voted for the god damn war asshole? The loyal opposition? “
First, you are mistaken about what they voted “for.” Your analysis that they “voted for war” is simplistic and ahistoric. Secondly, you are forgetting that the constitution makes the President the Commander-in-Chief. Bush would have invaded with our without authorization. Since Bush has decided he has unlimited executive power, and he has never shown any fiscal responsibility, I doubt threats of cutting off funding to the military would have stopped him.
Having said that, I think all of the politicians who voted in favor of the authorization made a grave mistake. Should they have known better? Probably. The problem is that they were being lied to and whipped up into a post-911 frenzy. (The lies were transparent to me.) I have no problem with punishing them at the polls. But, why take it out on Darcy, someone who offers us the possibility of ripping control of the House out of the clutches of the Republicans? Do you want to see Bush impeached (I would!), then get a Democratic majority!
“Only assholes who sent the people that voted for the war are responsable. Did you vote for one of them? My vote for Nader was a vote for principle. The damn D or R, who gives a fuck if the outcome is the same?”
Your vote for Nader helped elect Bush, you fucking idiot! Do you believe that Kerry or Gore would have gone windmill-tilting into Iraq? Unlikely. Thanks, asshole, for putting the wingnut warmongers in power. Despite your assertions otherwise, the decision to invade was made by BushCo–you know, the Commander-In-Chief and his handlers.
“We trusted those motherfucker Democrats to oppose Bush.”
Yes…but the Republicans held the majority in both chambers at the time (and they still do)?
“Instead they all got down on their knees and polished his motherfucking knob! I call that whoring bitch. And if you aren’t willing to make sure that the person you vote for is iron clad set to stop this fucking war, then you are just as responsible for it.”
Well, you naively seem to be assuming that Burner is “pro-war” because she did not discuss it in a 15 minute, caller-driven interview. Read some of what Burner has written before you spew your bullshit. The fact is, if Burner loses, the GOP will likely retain control of the house. Period.
“Well you “protested” isn’t that sweet. I bet you got your picture on TV so mommy could say “Look, there is my little Dick Job right there! “. Meanwhile ten Iraqi kids just got all of the innards blown out like confetti. But I guess as long as Dick Job “Feels Good” it is OK huh?”
Actually, my political advocacy has been far more effective than that (but at the local level). Even so, ummm…what were you doing while those same Iraqi kids got their innards blown out? Were you whining about how there is no solution? Sorry, dolt, the slaughtering of innocent Iraqi’s isn’t going to end with assholes like you whining about how bad the Democrats are on a liberal blog. Your vote for Nader shows how disconnected from reality you are.
“All I really want is for her to publicly sign a pledge stating she will filibuster if necessary to end the war. “
Go fuck yourself, asshole. Darcy has publically stated her opposition to the war. If that isn’t good enough for you, then you are a fool. Seriously…think about how this has to ACTUALLY works, not about how it works in OZ. You already fucked up by putting an warmongering idiot in office. Don’t fuck this election up, too.
“Think about it. If she filibusters, the war machine grinds to a halt. No money, no bullets no war. You act like I am asking for a left nut or something. All I want is proof before I hand over my support.”
Ummm…again, you think you are better off with Reichert in office? Let’s see…on one hand we have a Bush-Delay lapdog Republican. On the other hand we have a progressive individual who has stated in writing her opposition to the war (but didn’t mention it in 15 minutes of air time last sunday). Hmmmmm….tough choice, isn’t it.
“Cantwell voted for it. She has blood on her hands. I want to make sure we do not get another Cantwell. If I vote for Dacry Burner and she pulls a Cantwell, then I am just as guilty as if I had voted for Reichert, now aren’t I?”
No…if you VOTE FOR NADER you have blood on your hands, you fucking dipshit!
“Consoling ones self because they voted Democrat isn’t going to put those little Iraqi kids back together.”
Then the same must be said many times over for voting for Nader.
“If it is too much for Darcy Burner to publicly pledge to filibuster the war until the machine comes to a grinding halt, then she isn’t worthy of progressive voters.”
Sorry, punk, but “progressive voters” are interested in many issues in addition to Bush’s blunderous war. You do not speak for “progressive voters.” You are an overly-idealistic child who don’t seem to understand the realities of how politics works.
But, who am I to tell you how to vote. It your vote afterall (I mean, assuming you have reached the age of 18). If you don’t like Darcy, don’t vote for her. But, if you are basing that on what she didn’t say during a 15 minutes talk radio show, your an idiot. And, you will be contributing to the status quo.
If you were really interested (rather than being an idealistic whiner), you would know a lot more about Darcy than you appear to know. Grow-up and do some serious research before you spew your bullshit.
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