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Why do wingfucks think the government has authority to spy on its citizens, jail people without trial, and spend mountains on money — but can’t tax its citizens?
Mark the Welsher says he’s not against “reasonable taxation.” Most people think “reasonable” taxes are taxes that other people pay.
Darcy Burner has already hugged a rabbit! Reichert isn’t even thinking about hugging a rabbit. Why would anyone vote for that guy?
If Stefan really cares about voting integrity, he should use his expertise to help Democrats determine whether the special election for a House seat in California’s 50th District was stolen by Republicans, as questions and suspicions swirl around seeming irregularities in the vote counting there. http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/061006A.shtml
But regardless of whether Stefan gives a hoot for honest elections (except when it benefits Republicans) or keeps all the money from his lawsuit against King County instead of sharing it with the generous donors to his “legal action fund” who helped pay for the lawsuit, I want to make one thing perfectly clear to him: Plant CARROTS in your garden, Stefan! YUMMY! I LOVE CARROTS!!! :D
Roger Rabbit has posted 100% of the comments on this thread! If zip doesn’t like it, he should poke his eyes out, then he won’t have to read them.
Good luck tonight Goldy! You deserve it!
More bad news for the GOP Troll Fucks!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13252515/
Dems are raising money from the little guy which translates to votes. The rethugs are raising money by pandering to special interests, which translates to treason.
No trollfucks or animal control officers here yet. Apparently those lazy fucks don’t get out of bed before 10:00 AM at the earliest.
A little something for the wingers:
Corruption.
Roger Rabbit@2
You are right, that is the liberal line of thought, to make sure the OTHER guy is paying his fair share or more!
Goldy, I know you’re not a big fan of initiatives, but you have to look past Timmy Lieman’s abuse of the process at the whole history of initiatives in Washington.
Lieman isn’t much of a problem, anyway, because most of his brainwaves either fail to qualify for the ballot or lose at the polls, and most of the handful of Eyman initiatives passed by the voters have been invalidated by the courts.
Initiative and referendum grew out of the turn-of-the-century progressive reform movements that sprung up all over the country in response to capitalist abuses of the post-Civil War industrialization era.
In Washington, I&R was proposed in the legislature in 1897, and added to the state constitution in 1911 with the strong backing of farm and labor groups (specifically, the state Grange and the state Federation of Labor) and the support of nearly three-quarters of the state’s voters. The opposing forces arrayed against the reformers included corporate, fishing, timber, and liquor interests (the latter feared a prohibition initiative would be enacted).
The farm and labor groups put 7 initiatives on the 1914 ballot, but only 1 passed (an initiative abolishing the private employment agencies of the period who exploited unemployed lumberjacks). The temperance movement also succeeded in passing their prohibition initiative in 1914.
In 1915 corporate, timber, and fishing interests passed a bill in the legislature that eviscerated the initiative by making it impossible to qualify for the ballot, but this was overturned by the following year by a referendum that won 3-to-1 voter support. The period 1924-1938 saw the first wave of tax protest initiatives; in this period, voters passed a series of initiatives that limited property tax rates. The Depression era also produced an initiative that laid the foundation for public power by authorizing creation of utility districts.
Following World War 2, voters passed initiatives that replaced the patronage system with a civil service system (1958 and 1960), enacted the state’s implied consent DUI law (which was pushed by doctors) in 1968, and environmental laws (1970s and 1980s).
Think about it, Goldy: Some of the state’s earliest worker protection laws, public power, civil service reform, and environmental regulation all came from citizen initiatives.
The I&R process has, generally speaking, served our citizens well. The voters have, generally speaking, used their rights to enact (initiative) and veto (referendum) legislation wisely. Of course yahoos have the same access to the voters via the I&R process that genuine reformers do, and it’s inevitable that a dingbat law may get passed this way now and then. But then, the legislature has been known to pass dingbat laws, too. But, on the whole, the I&R has done far more good than harm.
Don’t throw out the baby with the bath water, Goldy. My solution is: Washington citizens should keep the initiative and referendum, and discard Tim Eyman.
The initiative and referendum is found in Article II, section 1 of the state constitution; a brief on-line history of Washington’s initiative and referendum is available at http://www.iandrinstitute.org/Washington.htm.
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Chuck, you are so fucking full of shit you should rent yourself as an outhouse! Liberals, by their words and voting behavior, are willing to tax themselves. It is the Wingfuck faction of the Freeloader Party that goes around demanding “no taxes, no way, no how” — and does everything humanly possible not only to avoid paying their fair share, but to pay nothing at all.
On the other hand, you fucking FREELOADERS are always first in line to scoop up corporate welfare, subsidies,* and government contracts.
* Virtually none of eastern Washington’s solid-Republican farmers would ever turn a dime of profit if it wasn’t for massive government subsidies consisting of dams, next-to-free irrigation water and electricity to run irrigation pumps, crop subsidies, subsidized agricultural loans, government-financed crop research and extension services, etc. ad infinitum.
Fucking whining freeloading hypocrite (that’s you I’m describing, Cheesy Chuckie).
There will always be government. If we eliminated our democratically-elected (it used to be, anyway, before the GOP vote thieves perfected their election-stealing techniques) government, we would fall under the governance of some warlord, thug, or gangster element — as has happened in every society that has a failed government.
If you think taxes are bad now, try to imagine the tribute you’d be forced to pay to a king, warlord, dictator, or gangster.
We ought to ship all the wingnuts to an island where they can enjoy no government and no taxes, then sit back and watch them eat each other.
Hey Cheesie Chuck,
How’d that I-912 Governor Gregoire hatefest go?
Oh and thank you for paying your gas taxes at the pump to help develop, fix and maintain our road and bridge infrastructure.
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Come to think of it, we already have fallen under the governance of a king/warlord/thug/gangster.
@8 Dems are raising money
I think they forgot to subtract the $90,000 found in the freezer.
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Cheesy Chuckie is probably riding a bicycle to avoid paying the extra 5 cents to WSDOT. He’d much rather pay it to Exxon or BP.
Another Wingnut Bullshitter @19
Michael — you should rent yourself as an outhouse, too. You and Cheesy Chuckie could go into business together renting yourselves out as latrines. Why not, you’re already masturbating buddies.
Democrats — unlike you morally challenged Republicans — do not cover up for, protect, or coddle their corrupt politicians. They kick them off committees and hand them over to prosecutors. The Democratic caucus has stripped Rep. Jefferson (D-LA) of his House assignments, and he’s going to jail precisely because of the cash found in his freezer.
If Jefferson was a Republican, you fucks would be using all the powers of government, media, and propaganda to prevent investigations, obstruct prosecution, help him keep the ill-gotten monies — and you’d promote him to a chairmanship.
That is precisely why our government is so fucked up. With Republicans running it, we can count on total incompetence and systemic corruption. And you, Michael, are an enabler, apologist, and shill for the worst administration and congress of the last 100 years. Shame on you, you unpatriotic America-hating piece of shit.
One of my favorite things is to watch rabbit self destruct. Without a Goldy post to tell rabbit how to think we get to see where his brain actually lies.
Not only is he a fould mouthed, non thinking troll on this blog, he has no concept of history. Amazing. Almost every one of his rants today on this thread could be pointed at his own party at some point in time. You are amazing rabbit. I’d solute you but I’m laughing to hard after reading your posts.
Hey I agree, life in America is totally oppressive. Your every move is watched, your every phone call recorded; it’s torture having to visit the dept of motor vehicles; rush limbaugh is on every radio station and you have to obtain official permission to move from your apartment or from the city. I think we could do a lot better in a paradise like Cuba. Would you like to join me in a move there or are you guys just a bunch of fake lefty talk?
soundcrossing – and you are among the most clever of the trolls who deign to drop in here once in a awhile. Seemingly centrist, dropping the odd compliment to Goldy for his well thought out posts, etc.
It doesn’t hide the fact that you’re a right-wing shill and liar.
23 – ZZZZzzzzzzzzzz…. Sorry das the satire schtick ain’t stickin’
Just a reminder that today,, like everyday – right wing hero Lush Flimbaugh is peeing into a cup in front of his probation officer. What a person for young righties to look up to.
Spewing Roger @ 12
Nice comments but they are like piss in the wind. The demos in charge of this state do not support the citizens’ right to initiative/referendum and that right is doomed. Even though this is a constitutional right that lefty and righty agree is valuable, it is toast. The demos pulling the strings in WA will keep chipping away at it until it is gone. Witness all the “emergencies” last January in the legislature!
With the WA demo party lined up against our right to initiative, do you really expect Goldy to head in a different direction? Dream on.
All wingnuts have a dark secret. When they hear one of their “team” in office has taken a boatload of dirty money, (literally a “boat” in the case of Cunningham) they do imaginary high-fives to other members of the “team” in their basements or apartments.
They think: brilliant, why didn’t I think of that!!?!! Our side is so smart!
I recommend Mary Lane of Forward Washington as a guest for Sunday night liberal talk radio… since Tim Eyman wants three hours (two for his ego).
Barring that, Dean Logan.
Trollfuck @22
I agree that I’m “foul mouthed.” Why shouldn’t I be? You guys call us “commies” and “traitors,” and applaud Coulter for saying liberals should be put in concentration camps or killed. And I should be polite to you motherfuckers? Go fuck yourself!
I know more history in my little finger than you’ll ever know. Some of your wingnut buddies actually brag about being ignorant and uneducated, so you may want to tend to your own house before you worry about me.
In particular, I’m acutely aware the Democratic Party (or at least its southern faction) harbored the nation’s racist elements for several generations. And that it was a Democratic president who ordered the interning of innocent Japanese-Americans in World War 2 simply because of their race. I know all about Tammany Hall, the Daley machine, and other historical Democratic engines of corruption. These things — the southern segregationist Democrats in particular — are a black stain on our party’s history that will never be erased, but for which we have atoned in part by, among other things, supporting the civil rights movement and most of the reform movements in our nation’s history.
All of this is a red herring that begs the present question.
You right-wing assholes want to roll back virtually every reform of the last 100 years. You want to give corporations unbridled power. You want to reduce workers to peons, gut consumer protections, and take away the right of innocent victims of defective products and corporate wrongdoing to sue in the courts for redress. You want to destroy the environment for short-term profits. Your tax and budget policies are selfish in extremis. You bastards are warmongers and torturers. You don’t believe in due process and, if we let you pricks run our criminal justice system, you would execute innocent people without batting an eye. You right-wing fucks exemplify the worst of human nature — greed, selfishness, dishonesty, and violence. FUCK YOU!!!
You fucks have turned the party of Lincoln into a travesty. The GOP now stands for war, greed, racism, and corruption. Lincoln must be turning over in his grave. You assholes have made a pathetic mockery of everything your party’s first president (and our nation’s greatest president) said and stood for. FUCK YOU!
You know what, “soundcrossing”? I don’t give a royal flying fuck what you think of me. The only thing I’m interested in is defeating you assholes, and preventing your ilk from ever having political power in our country again. You sewer scum are the Dark Side of American politics, the repressed nazi undercurrent running through the dysfunctional elements of our citizenry, the incipient cancer that threatens to kill our democracy. FUCK YOU! Think of me as the penicillin that was injected into the patient to wipe out germs like you.
I sincerely hope you and your ilk hate my guts.
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Josef — when are you gonna ask Zits for a date, instead of sitting there eating your heart out? Who knows, she might fuck you on the first date.
I absolutely lean to the right. I’ve never hidden that. I don’t knowingly lie. Just like anybody I can get the facts wrong or be duped by somebody else.
I really do like Goldy’s writing. I have always said I don’t agree with most of it. I like debating sometimes here when it stays civil. Unfortunately you have people like rabbit that will never truly think for themselves and are constantly combative, just like Mr. Cynical when he posts here. 100% in the bag for their own ideology so they never truly read what somebody else is saying. Just, “that sound right/left so it’s wrong.” Our US govt. right now works that way too. So when I see rabbit go off like he did today I like to tweak him. Probably bad on my part but I have NEVER seen one of you tell him to take it back a notch or call bullshit on anything so I figure it’s fair.
This is about the only blog I ever post a reply on. I post on sagebrusher once in a while and sounpolitics once in a blue moon but it gets boring hearing, “yeah, I totally agree.” How can you learn anything without some discourse? How can you learn anything only saying what you know a majority of the thread will agree with?
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For all you know, she fucks everybody on the first date.
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“I don’t knowingly lie.”
Now we’re making progress. Sometimes great things grow from small beginnings. I’ll make you a deal, soundcrossing. I won’t tolerate corrupt, lying Democratic politicians if you won’t tolerate corrupt, lying Republican politicians. (Actually, I never have.) I’ll do what I can to clean our house, if you’ll do what you can to clean your house. Politics will never be the Boy Scouts, but it can be better rather than worse if we all make common cause of keeping it as good as it can be made. There is absolutely nothing wrong with people having honest differences of opinion and pursuing their self-interests. What has gone wrong, where this country has slid off track, is in refusing to negotiate or compromise and substituting hate rhetoric for intellectually honest debate of issues and policy. But you must understand that if your side practices the politics of personal destruction, then I gotta do it too.
Now … how can we de-escalate and get everybody to step back from the precipice? Got any constructive suggestions?
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And you are absolutely wrong that I don’t think for myself. You are blinded by the fact that I have become as skillful at practicing the politics of hate as you guys are. You are so used to thinking of liberals as wimps and pushovers that you’re knocked off your feet when a Roger Rabbit comes along.
It comes down to this, soundcrossing. You guys have been calling us “commies” and “traitors” and saying you want to kill us. I’m going to defend myself.
Tweak @ 30 =8-)
That was so predictable. I can tell your party wants to change things. Look at the WA state budget. And nationally too. Robert Byrd as the now longest serving dem? There’s a blow for equality.
Kennedy and his fight against wind power? An environmentalist for certain. Clean power for EVERYBODY unless it hurts me or my pocket book then NIMBY.
So we can dem -let’s just give the money away until were broke.
Or we can pub -let’s just cut taxes until were broke.
Both totally flawed and not sustainable. When will you flipping learn that it will take a combination of methods to set the country right and drop this one party rule crap. I don’t want an all republican govt. But you obviously want an all democrat one. I want people who will work for us and I’m pretty confident saying that nobody in the US govt. is working for us a citizens. All you have to do is look at either party and what they do directly after they leave office to know that.
Who’s the troll here???? I’m thinking it’s you trolling for “me too’s” and “right on’s” from the group.
@34 Very fair.
I’ve got one for somebody here. Maybe you know and maybe you don’t. I certainly don’t.
Why did we choose the current contractor for the Tacoma narrows bridge? Didn’t we have a contractor that was willing to build it for next to nothing as long as they could build it with a tidal generator (or two) at it’s base? I think the deal was the state would have to agree to buy the power at the going rate.
I’m seriously asking. I used to travel it a lot when I lived on the peninsula and was dumbfounded when here in WA state we’d pass up the opportunity to something like that.
I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested.
Brigadier General Smedley D. Butler, USMC (Ret.)
“Liberals, by their words and voting behavior, are willing to tax themselves.”
well roger….now that is funny! of course they say that….it’s easy to say that when you don’t ever work [goldy] or actually earn anything [goldy, roger, dj, ad nauseum]
it’s easy to put your hands in someone else’s pocket isn’t it? you should know!
das…you have these “progressives” nailed exactly right.
and good luck to you tonight goldy. try to remember that you are a legend only in your own mind, that you have made up most of your “friends” on here and that imaginary people can’t and won’t call into a radio show. try to show at least some humility. after all…you aren’t an expert on anything….you have never succeeded at anything [according to your own characterization of your life] just alot of near misses.
radio is a tough business and you are going into it as an under dog…..try not to get so wrought up that your voice shoots up even higher. it’s like nails on a board when you have done that in the past and i actually felt sorry for you.
and geez…..at least PRETEND to listen to any guest you might snag. your one way conversations [which work so well on blogs] won’t transfer very well to a listening audience.
your podcasts were dreadful…..you gloat, you whine,and you have no original ideas or solutions that don’t sound like a 60’s re-tread that has been caught in a time warp.
humility goldy…try to remember that and you will probably do well.
is it going to be on the web also? i would just love to hear it down here in california.
but in the end….GOOD LUCK!
roger…the election down here wasn’t stolen. no one thinks that except the cindy sheehans of the state. and even they aren’t whining. why should you?
after all…you LOVE stolen elections….look where you live. terra haute-on-the-sound.
So, are you liberal traitors still mourning the death of your hero the Z-Man or are you too busy planning your next attempt to block shipments to our troops to think about it?
Block the protective equipment they need at the Port of Olympia, yeah that’ll tell the troops you support them.
Maybe that liberal traitor Lt Watada can lead the charge. Hell he probably already sold classified information to the Chinese like Clinton did.
It is reported now that it is believed that Al-Zaqarwi was tracked using ‘Smart Dust’, a form of micro-miniaturized RFID elements resembling dirt.
It is believed that this is already deployed to Afghanistan and Iraq. If some of this scarce resource can be placed on a high value target’s clothing, tracking that target by periodic ‘interrogatory radio transmissions’ would be trivial.
Did you liberals ever stop to think that if you are successful in destroying America and allowing Sharia Islam to rule over us, that it is probably liberal behavior that will bring the first beheadings? Do you dolts not read the news at all? They behead people for being gay, women for showing their faces, people for “speaking out”.
Be careful what you wish for traitorcrats.
In the World War, we used propaganda to make the boys accept conscription. They were made to feel ashamed if they didn’t join the army.’
So vicious was this war propaganda that even God was brought into it. With few exceptions our clergymen joined in the clamorto kill,kill,kill. To kill the Germans. God is on our side. . .it is His will that the Germans be killed.
And in Germany, the good pastors called upon the Germans to kill the allies. . .to please the same God That was part of the general propaganda, built up to make people war conscious and murder conscious.
Beautiful ideals were painted for our boys who were sent out to die. This was the “war to end all wars.” This was the “war to make the world safe for democracy.
No one told them told them that dollars and cents. No one mentioned to them, as they marched away, that their going and their dying would mean huge war profits. No one told these American soldiers that they might be shot down by bullets made by their own brothers here. No one told them that the ships on which they were going across might be torpedoed by submarines built with United States patents. They were just told it was to be a “glorious adventure.”
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Where did I say that I want to change things? There are many things I don’t want to change, things that were won by generations of liberals and reformers after hard-fought battles:
Free public education
Public power
Consumer protection
Worker rights
Social safety net
Civil rights
Religious, racial, and cultural tolerance
Free speech
Collective bargaining
Busines regulation
Environmental protection
Et al.
There are many, many things I consider social and economic “gains” that conservatives want to roll back. Why should I be for “change” when your idea of change is taking take away the things I most want to keep? You may decry the status quo, but if the status quo you’re complaining about is Social Security, I’ll fight body and soul to keep your privatizing mitts off it, because your “change” will reduce my Social Security checks and deprive me of the income I need to survive in my old age. If you want to change peace into war, or law into rule of the mob, then I don’t want your “change.” If you want to change the distribution of wealth in this country from the middle class to billionaires, then I don’t want your “change.” If you want to weaken civil rights or public education, then I don’t want your “reforms.”
@45,
Sounds interesting. Got a source for that?
Any decent education.
@30,
I sincerely hope you and your ilk hate my guts. Retarded Rabbit
No, we actually feel quite sorry for you. And please, please please DO call in to the Clownstein show and say those four letter words.
Nothing much here, the usual anti-capitalists with capitalist bank accounts. Move on.
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Robert Byrd was the son of a Klansman, but was raised by an uncle and aunt because of his mother’s death (in the 1918 flu epidemic) when he was 1 year old. Having been born in 1917, he grew up in the 1920s, when the KKK was at the height of its membership and power, with “the typical southern viewpoint of the time.”
Byrd himself was a member of the KKK in the early 1940s. He has explained he joined “because it offered excitement and because it was strongly opposed to communism.” This was at a time when Stalin was at the height of his power, and anti-communist sentiment was growing rapidly in the U.S. His participation was minimal, and he dropped his membership after about a year.
As a southern Democrat in the U.S. Senate, Byrd voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act. He now says he regrets that vote, and would vote for the CRA if he could do it over. Apparently, his objection to it at the time was not opposition to integration, but accomplishing it by imposing a federal law on the southern states. He says he now realizes “people were too set in their ways” and the law was necessary to bring about change.
Today’s conservatives accuse Byrd of racism based on his votes opposing confirmation of Condoleeza Rice, Clarence Thomas, and some other conservative black appointees. Byrd says he opposed Rice’s nomination because she supports the Iraq war, while he is opposed to the war. The conservatives’ argument that Byrd’s votes against these black nominees is evidence that he is a racist overlooks the fact that Byrd has voted in favor of a number of black nominees.
Byrd himself helped fuel the racist accusations when he used the term “white nigger” on a TV show in 2001. He quickly apologized for this insensitive choice of words, saying his use of the “n” word “dated back to (his) childhood.”
If you only look at these facets if Byrd’s biography — his youthful KKK membership, his vote against the CRA, his votes against certain black nominees, the 2001 TV interview remark — he certainly is vulnerable to racism charges. It is even hard to avoid the conclusion that he was, at one time, a racist. But if he was his racism was a product of the culture, time, and family and family and community influences that he grew up with.
If the question is whether Byrd is still a racist — and that is the question of greatest pertinence — then do you test it by appearances, or by the actuality of his voting record? If his recent congressional voting record is that of a racist, why is there no great outcry against him by the black community? Wouldn’t you expect groups like the NAACP to be on top of things like this? How could a genuine racist, even a southerner, survive in the Democratic Party of 2006? Today’s Democrats would be all over a suspected racist like locusts. If Byrd is a racist, then he is a closet racist, because no overt racist could possibly survive in today’s Democratic Party.
In accusing Byrd of racism, right-wingers are cynically playing the game of politics of personal destruction. It is a typical right-wing ad hominem attack to deflect attention away from issues they cannot win a debate on. We still have racists in our society, but nearly all of them are right-wingers, and some of the right-wingers slandering Byrd as a racist are themselves racists or at least exhibit racial attitudes. The right-wing attacks on Byrd are not an honest discussion of issues or even of Byrd’s qualifications to occupy a public office. It is classic right-wing smear campaigning.
I don’t know if I would vote for Byrd if he were running for the U.S. Senate here in Washington. He may be too overall conservative for my liking. On the other hand, his 60 years in elective office and undefeated campaign record is strong evidence that he is in tune with the more conservative population of the more conservative state that he actually represents in the U.S. Senate. And he is not a DINO (Democrat In Name Only), like Zell Miller or Lieberman. Byrd opposes the Iraq war, opposes other Bush policies, supports things like Social Security, and generally votes with the Democratic caucus. There is no question that he is a Democrat, not a right winger pretending to be a Democrat. But, despite biographical appearances, there is plenty of question whether he is a racist. He certainly doesn’t vote like one in the U.S. Senate — and that’s what matters most.
By the way, Byrd will become the longest-serving U.S. Senator in American history on June 12, 2006 — tomorrow.
In accusing Byrd of racism, right-wingers are cynically playing the game of politics of personal destruction.
Commentby Roger Rabbit— 6/11/06@ 2:19 pm
Democrats do this all the time. Why should they have a monopoly on the “politics of personal destruction”. Not only is it personally destructive to call Byrd a racist, it is true. Most white democrats are racists.
Most telling is your choice of enemies:
Leftoids claim elected officials like Bush and his political appointees legal representatives of a freedom-saturated society as their great enemies.
By contrast conservatives want to face off with the world’s most bloodthirsty killers and jihadi fanatics as their great enemies.
das @ 23
Sorry, punk. Your attempts at satire still fall flat—it only makes you look like an asshole.
If you want to see how real satire is done, check out the General.
The normal profits of a business concern in the United States are six, eight, ten, and sometimes even twelve per cent. But wartime profits-ah! that is another matter-twenty, sixty, one hundred, three hundred, and even eighteen hundred per cent-the sky nis the limit. All that the traffic will bear. Uncle Sam has the money. Let’s get it.
Of course, it isn’t put that crudely in war time. It is dressed up into speeches about patriotism, love of country, and “we must put our shoulder to the wheel,” but the profits jump and leap and skyrocket-and are safely pocketed.
Roger Rabbit
“For all you know, she fucks everybody on the first date.”
Except, of course, creepy stalker-boy Josef.
Roger Rabbit @34
“Now … how can we de-escalate and get everybody to step back from the precipice? Got any constructive suggestions?”
You mean, constructive suggestions that don’t involve guns?
It would have been far cheaper (not to say safer) for the average American who pays the bills to stay out of foreign entanglements. For a very few, this racket, like boot-legging and other underworld rackets, brings fancy profits, but the cost of operations is always transferred to the people-who do not profit.
@48
Free Public Education? There is nothing free about it. All these free things liberals talk about actually have a cost but the general public has been brainwashed into thinking paying taxes for something and then the government not charging you for it is free. Oh wait, we pay for transportation and we also “pay” for transportation so in that respect you do have it both ways. I wouldn’t have education any other way though, but there is definetely a difference there.
Civil rights? Theres a bit of revisionist history in that statement wouldn’t you think? Many of the people reading these posts might be fooled by that statement but I’m not.
Religious, racial, cultural tollerance? Please. Your only tollerance is to things that you like or agree with. I’ve read the posts here and at other liberal blogs and there is absolutely no tollerance. If you have an opinion that differs even slightly than liberal mainstream you are lambasted and called intollerant, or better yet racist or biggoted. Why don’t we look at the Islam immersion project in CA. Could you imagine if somebody tried to pull off a Christian immersion project in Salt Lake City (ohh, even prayed in school). The National outcry from liberals would be astounding. Think of the ACLU and their reaction. Didn’t see that in CA even though it was a religious excersise as part of a new (made up) curriculum in a school :-O. Where was David Newdow (sp?) then.
Free speach? Pretty much you can see above. Try saying, “I don’t like all the illegal immigration that is going on” in a liberal blog. Or my opinion is that English should be our national language. Here’s a big one. How about I don’t like the Islamic religion. Not my opinion, but you get my drift? All personal opinion that will get you attacked, called a troll, sworn at, etc. At one time actually threatened with violence. Now there is liberal tollerance and progressiveness.
You can lobby all you like to the people on this thread. You might even fool some of these people with your lists of “accomplishments.” It all sounds good until one of these people researchs. The whole history of our country has been an amalgamation of ideas, achievements, and compromise. By your own words you are not willing to entertain any thoughts other than your own. That’s your choice, but don’t blast me because I choose to keep an open mind.
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Look at the WA state budget? I look at it all the time. Got a question? An argument? I don’t think our state budget is out of line. Per capita, it’s about average, roughly in the middle compared to other states.
As I’ve previously stated on this board, Washington is unique among states in funneling local property taxes through a state agency before distributing them to school districts. Local property tax funding of public education does not show up in the accounting of other state government budgets, but it does in ours. In fact, it’s about 45% of the state budget. To get an apples-to-apples comparison with other states, you have to ignore these public instruction monies. When you do that, Washington’s state budget — the money actually spent on state government activities and programs — is roughly $15 billion per biennium ($7.5 billion per year), not the nominal budget figure of $28 billion per biennium ($14 billion per year).
Disregarding K-12 pass-through funding, education (i.e., colleges and community colleges) is still an important part of the state budget, but by far the biggest chunk of general government spending is for social services. This includes a wide array of programs including welfare programs, child protective services, child support enforcement, vocational rehabilitation, juvenile detention, and licensing of various types of facilities (hospitals, day cares, foster homes, nursing homes, etc.). Transportation gets 15% of general government spending, while corrections, environmental protection, and injured worker’s benefits account for a bit less than 5% each (the latter is funded by a dedicated payroll tax). All other government operations (including the courts, legislature, game department, natural resources, etc.) amount to less than 10% of general government expenditures.
The largest social services item is Medicaid; no, you should not be surprised that medical care dwarfs other welfare spending. And the bulk of Medicaid spending is for nursing home care of indigent elderly patients. This expense is split 50-50 by the federal and state governments. What are you going to do with those elderly folks if government doesn’t pay their nursing home bills, dump them on the curb?
Breaking down government spending by type, about 23% of the budget is spent on salaries and benefits; about 55% on client services, grants, and benefits; slightly over 10% on goods and services; roughly 6.0% on capital spending; and less than 5% on debt interest, travel, and personal services contracts.
About half of the state’s revenue comes from taxes. Between a fourth and a third is federal funding. Borrowing accounts for about 5%; licenses, permits, fees, and charges for services amount to another 5%. Other (and relatively minor) sources of state revenue include timber sales from state-owned lands, lottery and liquor profits, and interest earned by state cash reserves and bank accounts.
It is important to remember that if you don’t spend money on the programs in which the federal government participates in program costs, you lose that federal funding. For example, if the state is spending $1 billion a year on Medicaid nursing home payments (I’m not sure of the figure, but it’s in that ballpark) and you eliminate that program, you don’t save $1 billion. You save only $500 million, because you no longer get the $500 million federal matching funds. In the state’s accounting system, those federal funds look like state revenue and state spending. If you don’t count federal contributions to program costs as part of the state budget, then state spending isn’t $7.5 billion a year, it’s about $5.5 billion a year — a much smaller figure than the nominal state spending of $14 billion a year. In other words, the actual STATE spending from STATE taxes and revenues is only a bit more than one-third of the apparent budget.
My point is the nominal budget figures are very misleading and may create the impression of a bloated state government, but when you understand what our state revenues and spending (in terms of STATE funds) actually are, our state government is much smaller than it looks on paper. State programs typically are underfunded and thinly staffed. Although there are over 100 state agencies, many of them have only a few employees and miniscule budgets. For example, our state has an agency that helps homeowners and small businesses obtain affordable liability insurance for fuel tanks required by EPA regulations, but this agency employs fewer than 10 people and has a budget of less than $1 million a year. Quite a few state agencies and programs are entirely self-supporting through user charges; for example, the Gambling Commission’s regulatory activities are paid for by the gambling industry, and this agency consumes no general tax dollars.
@53
Wholly crap. Even you can’t buy into that can you? A “member” of the KKK? Why don’t you tell us all WHAT Byrd actually did for the KKK. Hint to all you non historians; he wasnt’ JUST a member. Come on Roger. Let’s hear it from you.
dj, rabbit,
Your once great progressive liberal plans for a peacefull and loving mankind now reduced to lavish heapings of bile and fetor for those who beg to differ.
Young commissars waiting in the wings…
On Robert Byrd:
This ex-Klansman wasn’t just a passive member of the nation’s most notorious hate group. According to news accounts and biographical information, Sen. Byrd was a “Kleagle” — an official recruiter who signed up members for $10 a head. He said he joined because it “offered excitement” and because the Klan was an “effective force” in “promoting traditional American values.”
The ex-Klansman later filibustered the landmark 1964 Civil Rights Act — supported by a majority of those “mean-spirited” Republicans — for more than 14 hours.
Source: http://www.jewishworldreview.c.....030801.asp
Byrd said in the Dec. 11, 1945, letter — which would not become public for 42 more years with the publication of a book on blacks in the military during World War II by author Graham Smith — that he would never fight in the armed forces “with a Negro by my side.” Byrd added that, “Rather I should die a thousand times, and see old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels.”
Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....05_pf.html
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Next, you say “we can just give the money away until we’re broke.” I certainly would like you to talk to Mr. Bush and the Republican Congress about that, but I digress. We were talking about STATE government.
Do you considering the cost of operating our prisons “giving away money?”
Do you consider the state highways and bridges you drive on, and which carry the state’s commuters to their jobs and its commerce to ports, terminals, stores, and consumers to be “giving away money?”
Do you consider the money spent on salaries and office space for child welfare caseworkers to be “giving away money?” Should we live in a state where, if someone reports a child being molested or beaten, no one will respond and nothing will be done?
Do you consider the money the state spends on fighting forest fires (which is the biggest part of the natural resources budget) to be “giving away money?”
Do you think the relatively small amounts of money the state spends on keeping people from poaching the state’s fish and game, and keeping people from living on, running drug labs on, setting up businesses on, or stealing timber and other resources from state-owned lands to be “giving away money?”
Is regulating public utilities so they don’t gouge captive consumers, and licensing and regulating Puget Sound marine pilots so they don’t run oil tankers into piers or rocks, “giving away money?”
You are an ass. And not just any ass. You are an uninformed ass, a shoot from the hip ass, an ass who puts his mouth in gear before he puts his brain in gear … a DUMBASS.
Now let me ask you this. Is using government funds to provide health care to poor kids whose parents can’t afford medical care for their children “giving away money?” Maybe it is in your book. Maybe you’re a big enough prick and a selfish enough asshole to let innocent, helpless kids die or suffer because of who their parents are. If so, all I’ve got to say to you is, FUCK YOU. I’m going to vote for programs like that, and for politicians who support such programs. If that represents the majority view in the legislature, and the state imposes taxes on you to help pay for them, and you refuse to pay, then I’ll pay taxes to lock you up in a fucking jail. If you can’t do any better than that as a human being and as a citizen, then go live on a fucking desert island or just kill yourself.
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On the other hand, if you guys win a legislative majority and eliminate state funding for poor kids’ health care, I’ll live with it — as long as you didn’t steal the election. It doesn’t mean I’ll get a tax cut. I almost certainly won’t. You guys will still collect the taxes and spend the money, but you’ll spend it on different things — like corporate welfare. You’ll take money away from health care for poor kids and give it to rich business owners who are already wealthy far beyond anything they could ever need for themselves or their families. We have a difference of opinion over priorities.
So basically what moral relativist Retard Rabbit is saying in regards to Robert KKK Byrd is that no matter how heinous one’s past actions, if they do something considered good, it erases all the past transgretions – if he is a Democrat.
So, Rabbit then must conclude Hitler could have atoned for his past transgressions with a few trips to the local synagogue and a donoation or two to the JDL. Basically, that is whay he is saying.
ANd in his big list of things his likes, the rabbit lists civil rights. And I agree with him. But in the hypocrisy that is legend for Democrats (I was one for 40 years. I know of what I speak), Rabbit fails to mention that robert Byrd filibustered the legendary Civil Rights Act of 1964. It was Republicans who passes that legislation. If Byrd had is way about it, there would still be a coloreds section on the bus.
And the fact that ever since Jimmy Carter, their actions have mostly been in direct opposition to their high sounding words is why I am a Democrat no more.
I did what Democrat do not want their followers to do – question them. I questioned the notion that all Republicans were rich people who take all the poor people’s money. I have found just the opposite. After blindly following Democrats and never quesitoning, the fact that Democrats voted against fighting back against the terorrist after 911 was the final blow for me. Yes, Democrat Barbara Lee voeted against us going into Aghanistan. Democrats say they support the troops, while blocking their supplies they need to stay alive from leaving the Port of Olympia.
Republicans believe in personal responsibility. No matter what your opinion of Tom Delay, when controversy clouded over him, he did the right thing and stepped down. Contrast that with Democrat William Jefferson (LA), who was caught on tape by the FBI with $90,000 of bribe money in his freezer. He refuses to step down to the very day. And lets not forget the Democrat Mayor of DC, Marion “Crack Pipe” Berry. He got reelected after being videotaped smoking crack.
RR@67 Now that’s a Liberal!
Do you considering the cost of operating our prisons “giving away money?” – Retarded Rabbit
I consider the cost of sex change operations and other elective procedures for prisoners that law abiding citizens cannot get to be giving the money away. Most definitely.
Next.
PBJ_Regurgitates@69 Now that’s a Dumbass Troll
“Republicans believe in personal responsibility.”
HAE-HAW-HAW-HEE-HEE-HEE HO-HO-HAW-HAW-HAW-HAW.
I think I’ll hurt myself laughing.
Rabbit,
You talk about corporate welfare. I am against that too. But unlike you, I can tell what is and what isn’t corporate welfare. Like when Democrat Governor Mike Lowry forced the taxpayers to build Safeco field for the rich coporate sports team owners. That is corporate welfare.
That is what gets me. You spout all the Democrat lines about being “for the common man” etc. It all sounds real good, But the actions are quite a different thing. Just look as Seattle. Seahwaks stadium give away, a trolley for Paul Allen, some acres of prime real estate for Bill Gates as fire sale prices.
You talk the talk, but the walk is quite different.
Gambling commission? That’s a good one too. So we have a commission that pays for itself by hoping people gamble. Then we have an agency that was drafted to deal with personal gambling problems here in the state. A state that has a state funded lottery system but made it a felony to gamble online. Who endorses card rooms but not internet gambling. Fortunately I don’t gamble but seriously now….
A state that will sue the tobacco industry but not outlaw tobacco. Why don’t we just become a smoke free state? Think of the health care savings. The cleaner air. There would be a huge drop in the homeless population. The revenue we’d save on all those commercials, oh wait, we can’t do that because our budget is actually dependent upon the cigarette settlement and the massive amount of revenue taxing smokes brings in.
I’m being somewhat facitious here but not totally. Those are all realities. But I’m sorry if you’re satisfied with the way our state handles its money. Maybe I should say with what they do with it cause the handle it all right because I’m not. Cities or States that will fund other things then ask for “special” levies to fund our emergency services or education is not what I want. Completely backwards. 1)emergency services 2)education 3)infrastructure 4)everything else. But they don’t because people will always (well almost) dig deeper for education or Medic 1 but rarely for anything else. So they do the easy thing and fund services of less importance or special interests and then ask you to pony up more for the essentials. Don’t you find that backward?
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I have no illusions about mankind. There won’t ever be a peaceful and loving mankind. I will never live in a commune, and I will continue to support defense spending as I have ever since I started voting 40 years ago. But I don’t see any sense in going looking for trouble. I don’t see the sense in shoveling duffel bags of money out of pickups to “private security contractors” who are paying security guards over $100,000 a year for a job that pays $10,000 a year in the States and pays $15,000 a year to those doing the same job in a military uniform. This privatization bullshit sucks; why are my taxes being used to pay one mercenary 100K when the same money would put 6 more soldiers in the field? A Joint Chiefs chairman got sacked by this incompetent fucking administration for saying we would need 500,000 troops to occupy Iraq; Bush and Rumsfeld sent 165,000 and are losing their war because they didn’t listen to the general. And they could have done it on the same budget if they had sent more $15K soldiers and put fewer 100K mercenaries on the public payroll. You voted for people who are fucking idiots, and who are wasting our tax dollars like nobody’s business. You are a fucking idiot for voting for them. Never mind the question whether this war should even have been fought in the first place. You idiot Republicans wasted a tirllion dollars on it, lost it, fucked it up, and dragged our nation’s reputation in the world through the mud in the process. Fuck you. You should all be shot as traitors.
@72,
I hear the MJ addicts do giggle a lot. Hey I am not the one trying to defend a grand Kleagle of the KKK who once said “Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.”
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Hey, just kidding! It’s a JOKE, okay?! If Coulter can kid around about killing people, why can’t I? Why should Republicans have a monopoly on bad jokes? I want a piece of the bad joke action for myself. This is America, land of opportunity, there’s enough bad jokes to go around. Everybody’s entitled to one.
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“@34 Very fair.” Commentby soundcrossing— 6/11/06@ 12:04 pm
Another small step for mankind. I’m not sure whether we’re making any actual progress up the greasy pole, but let’s keep trying to climb the damn thing.
Well let’s compare and contrast shall we?
Tom Delay. Controversy clouds him, he steps down. William Jefferson get caught on tape with $90,000 and vows to stay in office. He is still a sitting congressman to this very day.
Somewhere rabbit picked up that if he just heaps on enough bile and fetor his arguments will stick; and stick they do all along the excrement-splattered walls of the padded cell of his mind.
” Joint Chiefs chairman got sacked by this incompetent fucking administration for saying we would need 500,000 troops to occupy Iraq;” – Retard Rabbit
BS. Shinseki retired. Show proof or else please stop repeating the talking points.
41
““Liberals, by their words and voting behavior, are willing to tax themselves.” wll roger….now that is funny! of course they say that….it’s easy to say that when you don’t ever work [goldy] or actually earn anything [goldy, roger, dj, ad nauseum]
Do you actually believe the shit you post, or are you so deeply in the habit of spitting rightwing bullshit that you don’t even think about what you’re saying?
OF COURSE I worked! I worked for 45 years, you dumb asshole. I also fought in one of our country’s wars. And, I assure you, Goldy and dj and Ad Nauseum worked, too. Do you think we’re all trust fund babies? Maybe your problem is that YOU’RE a trust fund baby and you have no other frame of reference, you can’t comprehend the concept of people having to support themselves with their own labor.
OF COURSE we pay taxes! God, you are a dumb shit, Ghost. Do you think we get an exemption at the gas pump? Who do you think voted against the initiative to repeal the nickel gas tax increase — your rightwing friends?
Do fucks like you lie just to enjoy hear yourselves lying?
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Maybe Ghost’s problem is he/she/it has no concept of liberals paying taxes because he/she/it is one of those assholes who fills his/her/its pickup with untaxed agricultural diesel.
To summarize: Three steps must betaken to smash the war racket.
We must take the profit out of war.
We must permit the youth of the land who would bear arms to decide whether or not there should be a war.
We must limit our military forces to home defense purposes.
42
The governor’s election wasn’t stolen, you lying asshole.
44
Zarqawi wasn’t our hero, you lying asshole. He was a murdering thug and good riddance.
Why is it that when Democrat Patrick Kenedy drives drunk he gets an escort home and hush hush. If the “common man” were to do such a thing, they’d be in jail.
I am still trying to figure that one out. Maybe one needs to have an uncle in the family who drove drunk, killed someone and got away with it in order to establish a precedence.
soundcrossing — take a good look at posts 42 and 44, then ask yourselves why we liberals should have a civil conversations with these wingnuts. However, I’ll tell you what I’ll do. If one of these lying fucks calls me a “terrorist” to my face, I’ll give him some free dentistry services — and no gift tax on it, either.
@85.
It sure as heck WAS stolen. Dead people voting, illegals voting. That isn’t a fair election. That is tamany hall west coast edition.
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Just kidding! If Coulter can kid about killing liberals, why can’t I crack jokes about knocking wingnuts’ teeth out? Why should Republicans have a monopoly on bad jokes? I’m just as tasteless as they are!
@86,
Then why are all the liberals crying over his elimination? After all you liberal America haters share basically the same philosophy – Hate Bush.
Roger Rabbit everywhere.
Do you see how long it took others to poke holes in your “utopia explanation”?
What? 10 minutes. You see how the state moves our money around and then look at some of the spending while ignoring other spending. You have to look at it as a whole. Poor justification, poor planning, poor savings, poor prioritization. They might be able to account for it all and they may do some good things with it but I’m willing to look at all things and not just some of them.
So you can take your condescending tone and shove it. Every one of your replies so far has been to placate your party/ideologies shortcomings. I’m happy to look at mine. Nationwide???? Terrible money management, aweful border policy, I’m happy with the un-employment rate, it would be great if it was 0%, or even below 4% but every economist says that being below 4% or even 5% is unhealthy because it means our workforce is too small. In our state? Well republicans don’t have much of a say do they?
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I wouldn’t go that far. I think it’s sufficient to make reasonable efforts to keep war profiteers under control (and keep them from making policy), and to keep warmongers out of important public offices. I would prefer to hang them, but I’ll settle for liberals running our government and letting the fascist militarists bleat from the sidelines.
PBJ_Vomits@89 In a court of yuour choosing, in a Republican leaning coun ty, with a judge of your chosing, the Only voter fraud proven was republican.
TAKE YOUR MEDS!
84
Just kidding about hanging fascist warmongers. If Coulter can joke about killing liberals, why can’t I make cracks about hanging fascist warmongers? Is that such a bad joke? After all, the Allies hanged a lot of fascist warmongers after World War 2, so there’s precedent for it.
89
You’re blowing smoke out of your ass. In this case, though, where there’s smoke, there’s no fire.
These lying fucks apparently think that repeating a lie a million times will make it a fact. Two million dollars in legal fees, the state’s best corporate lawyers on their side, and they couldn’t prove a fucking thing except that Rossi got four fraudulent votes. And still they bleat about a stolen election and disenfranchised military voters and all the other GOP fiction. And soundcrossing wonders why I’m not more civil? How are we supposed to get along with lying fucks like pbj?
@96,
So dead people voting is a fair election? Do you deny dead people voted?
Here is the proof in spades:
Dead voted in governor’s race
King County investigating ‘ghost voter’ cases
By PHUONG CAT LE AND MICHELLE NICOLOSI
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER INVESTIGATIVE REPORTERS
At least eight people who died well before the November general election were credited with voting in King County, raising new questions about the integrity of the vote total in the narrow governor’s race, a Seattle Post-Intelligencer review has found.
Source: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/.....ead07.html
Yeah, sounds like a real fair election to me. NOT!
Right wingers like pbj seem hell-bent to make their cynical view of mankind self-fulfilling. They’re backing us into a corner, all right. There can’t be any peace with people who behave like them.
Ahh. Different story when somebody else is claiming a stolen election, eh? How long did we have to put up with the FL crud? Nothing was ever proven in a court of law. So we’ll just use your argument and let it drop. I like that a lot.
Now be decree of Roger Rabbit none of you can ever question the last two presidential elections ever again. So says Roger Rabbit.
I am not such a fool as to believe that war is a thing of the past. I know the people do not want war, but there is no use in saying we cannot be pushed into another war.
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“Leftoids claim elected officials like Bush and his political appointees legal representatives of a freedom-saturated society as their great enemies.
By contrast conservatives want to face off with the world’s most bloodthirsty killers and jihadi fanatics as their great enemies.” Commentby das— 6/11/06@ 2:32 pm
That’s a crock of shit, and you’re a lying fuck. Whether Bush was ever legally elected is highly debatable, but let’s skip over that for now. This is still a relatively freedom-saturated society, but it’s less free than it was before you assholes took over the government, now that our government is being run by people who think they can violate our constitutional rights, spy on us, and lock people up without trial.
We liberals are a bit more circumspect in deciding which enemies to face off with. For one thing, instead of plunging headlong into things you can’t finish, like you idiots do, we think it would be a good idea to WIN the wars we get mixed up in, and stay out of wars we can’t win. Competent leadership would be a good start, but you dumb shits wouldn’t know anything about that.
You fuckers are so stupid you don’t even know who the enemy is. You went off on a tangent in Iraq, a country that did not attack or threaten the U.S., and as a result the war against the people you claim you want to fight has suffered.
Afghanistan is Al Qaida’s home turf, had terrorist training camps, and more population and territory than Iraq. So what does your idiot president do? He puts 165,000 troops into Iraq and 11,000 troops into Afghanistan, and we’re getting our butts kicked in both places. And what do you idiot wingfucks do? You vote for an incompetent, support an incompetent, and criticize us for criticizing an incompetent. You guys are going to lose the war against these terrorists because you are FUCKING IDIOTS.
And you have the balls to accuse us of supporting these terrorists? You assholes are the terrorists’ best friends. Maybe you didn’t intend to be, but you’re serving them and their agenda very well.
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Another standard wingnut tactic. Make up shit, then say Roger Rabbit said it. Let’s be clear here. #100 is your post, not my post. The content of #100 is your words, not my words. You’re not authorized to speak for me.
@97,
A hippie judge who looked like he came from a hippie commune with rings in his ears? Yeah, he would NEVER lean to the left, never ever.
Of course there is a long history of special treatment for liberal judges in WA state. Looke at Supreme Court Justice Bobby Bridge, wife of the rich jewler of Ben Bridge fame (so much for liberals being one of the poor “common man” working types). She drives drunk, smashes a car and gets a free ride home and a slap on the wrist. Oh, and unlike you, retarded rabbit, I do provide sources to back my statements up. This lets thinking people know for themselves who is makaing stuff up and who is telling the truth.
“SEATTLE — Supreme Court Justice Bobbe Bridge was arrested on charges of drunken driving and hit-and-run Friday after leaving the scene of an accident about a mile from her home in the Magnolia neighborhood, according to the Seattle Police Department.”
Source: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/.....02ww.shtml
Way to go, Goldy!
I’m glad you got this gig!
Rabbit,
Can you actually provide any sources to your arguments? Or is your algorithm to respond with the “liar” prefaced and appended with various acronyms for feces and copulation?
PBJ_VOMITS@105
@94,
With an earing wearring hippy judge from the commune? You think ther only liberals are in King County? You are just ignorant.
Dead people voting. Illegals voting. King County mysteriously “finding ” ballots weeks after election day.
No, there is no democracy in Washington State. We are in fact ruled by socialist overlords who do not trust the people to decide for themselves.
TAKE YOUR MEDS, PBJ!
Let’s see…
Tom Delay as Majority Leader got the GOP to changve the rules so that if he were indicted he wouldn’t have to resign nis leadership post. They backed off not out of civic virtue but because of public outcry.
Tom Delay as Cogressman collected caimpaign funds until the last second, then admitted he had raised those contributions fraudulently by bowing out of the race and used the funds for his legal defense. His constituents have gone to court to force him to use the campaign funds for, you know, a CAMPAIGN.
From the GOP’s 2003 Medicare bill to farm subsidies to pork spending–not to mention the shameless use of government to enrich legislators and lobbyists–DeLay cast aside the conservative ideals he espoused in the name of political power and personal gain. As even the Wall Street Journal harrumphed last year: “The problem… is that Mr. DeLay, who rode to power in 1994 on a wave of revulsion at the everyday ways of big government, has become the living exemplar of some of its worst habits.”
Here’s a list for you: House Appropriations Chair Jerry Lewis (R-CA), Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-CA), Rep. Bob Ney (R-OH), House Majority Leader Tom Delay (R-TX), Rep. Randy “Duke” Cunningham (R-CA), Rep. Ken Calvert (R-CA). These are the current targets in but ONE investigation into Republican corruption.
On the contrary, Democrats are moving to oust obscure back-bencher William jefferson from his Ways and Means comittee post BEFORE he is indicted.
What did Republicans do with Delay? See for yourself:
“This indictment may have rallied the party around DeLay,” said Rep. Peter King of New York.
The indictment is a “trumped-up, political witch-hunt,” said James Dobson, chairman of Focus on the Family.
House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) said House Republicans “stand firmly behind Tom DeLay.”
“Tom DeLay is an effective leader and has had a target on his back for years,” said Rep. Joe Pitts (R-PA).
100 (continued)
No, I won’t concede the legitimacy of the 2000 or 2004 elections. Bush has been sworn in twice, is exercising the powers of the office, and is going to be president for 8 years (barring an improbably impeachment) whether I like it or not. But the chips will fall where they fall. History will judge whether he was a legitimately elected president, or a usurper who occupied a stolen office.
What we can definitively say about the 2000 Florida election is this: Republicans who controlled the state’s election process hired a private contractor who improperly removed 57,000-plus eligible black voters who lean overwhelmingly Democratic from the voter registration rolls. No comparable bloc of Republican voters was disenfranchised.
What we can definitively say about the 2004 Ohio election is this: A very partisan Republican secretary of state gamed the state’s election. Some people had to wait in line for 6 or 8 hours to vote, but those long lines occurred only in Democratic-leaning precincts. The lines were exacerbated by mass challenges of eligible voters, but only Democratic voters were challenged. There was no comparable effort to discourage voting or disenfranchise voters in Republican leaning precincts.
A recent article in Rolling Stone Magazine by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. claims the 2004 election was indeed stolen in Ohio. His proof is not black-letter convincing. The article is more of an argument than an indictment. But there certainly are very serious unanswered questions, and it is beyond argument that Republicans used dirty tricks in both Florida 2000 and Ohio 2004.
Remember the screaming mob at the Miami-Dade canvassing board? The “mob” turned out to be Republican campaign employees who were organized and bused to Miami by the Republican National Committee for the purpose of staging a riot. The objective of the riot was to prevent the duly constituted canvassing board from carrying out their statutory duties. I believe “subversion” and “violent overthrow” are accurate terms to describe the activities of that REPUBLICAN UNLAWFUL ASSEMBLY. You assholes rail against anti-war protesters who “destroy government property” (i.e., knock down a fence) … well, it’s my turn to rail against anti-American rioters who destroyed our government. The police should have gone in their and mowed those rioters down with clubs. You’d sure as hell be egging on the cops if they did that to anti-war protesters, so why shouldn’t the cops club and tear gas and, if necessary, shoot rioters who are interfering with public officials carrying out their official duties?
You fucking Republicans NAZIS should be real proud of shutting down the Miami-Dade recount. It’s in the finest tradition of thug dictatorships everywhere. You’ve joined the ranks of such anti-democracy luminaries as Hitler (who burned down his own parliament building) and Stalin (who famously pointed out that votes don’t matter, only who counts the votes matters).
@99,
“Right wingers like pbj seem hell-bent to make their cynical view of mankind self-fulfilling. They’re backing us into a corner, all right. There can’t be any peace with people who behave like them.” – Retarded Rabbit
Left wingers like Rabbit brain are hell bent to make their hyocritical view of mankind self fulfilling. A world in which people do not do as they say, everything is relative. In rabbit brains world, it is OK if you rape a woman, drive drunk or even are a racist – as long as you vote Democrat. You don’t have to abide by the principles you espouse, just provide the money and the votes to enhance the cronies further up the ladder of Demcrat cronyism.
There can be no peace with people who seek to steal form one hard working group to give it to lazy ass cronies in order to increase their political power. This is the tactic used by Saddam Hussein, Stalin, Lenin and Castro.
110,
I don’t do drugs frog.
111,
At this very moment counselor, is Tom Delay or is not Tom Delay a sitting member of Congress??
Please answer the question counselor.
At this very moment counselor, is William Jefferson, or is not William Jefferson a stiing member of congress?
Please answer the question counselor. No excuse or long winded diatribes. Yes or no.
Now, if I wanted to compare lists of crooked politicians, I could list Bob Watowski, James Trafficant, Marion Berry and many other Democrats.
Democrat re-elected Marion Berry AFTER he was caught smoking crack! Now please tell me again counselor how Democrat are against crack use? Please tell me.
Where is all this so-called “conservative” outrage at the fact Baby Bush has created:
1) The largest budget deficit in history
2) The largest federal agency in history
3) The largest trade deficit in history
????
Of course, I forgot – rethugs practice situational ethics.
Were I PBJ I thinkI would be trying to get a refund on part of the two million dollars squandered by the Republican Party on their quixotic election challenge lawsuit. I rather doubt he can get any compensation for the hours and hours he spent reading the minnow spout non-sense about Washington election law on (Un)Sound Politics .
Some good came of it, tho’, it blew that smarmy Chris Vance out of their leadership. Hmmm, now there’s a thought: Perhaps you can go after him for the damage of being stuck with the likes of Tebilius and Sotelo.
@112,
And articel by a Democrat named Kennedy claiming things about the 2004 election? No bias there at all (NOT!).
You want to bring up 2004, OHIO and election fraud in the same sentence and make the false accusation agsainst Republicans?
In fact is was Democrat who were engaged in OHIO in 2004 and FRAUD. ANd unlike YOU, I will provide the evidence and let the intelligent reader make their own judgement:
Chad Statton, a Democrat volunteer was caught falsely registering people like Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck etc in exchange for crack cocain given to him by a local NAACP Democrat activist. But here is the link read for yourself:
http://www.toledoblade.com/app.....52/-1/NEWS
Here is an excerpt:
DEFIANCE – Two months after pleading not guilty to faking voter registration forms in exchange for crack cocaine, a Defiance man has pleaded guilty to 10 counts of false registration.
Chad Staton, 22, of Stratton Street appeared in Defiance County Common Pleas Court Thursday to enter pleas to the 10 counts of the fifth-degree felony. In December, a grand jury returned indictments against him for filing forms in the names of Mary Poppins, Michael Jackson, Janet Jackson, Michael Jordan, Dick Tracy, Jeffrey Dahmer, Brett Favre, George Foreman, Maria Lopez, and George Lopez.
Please provide the court records of any republicans convicted of doing the same IN OHIO, IN 2004.
Well, as Lush Flimbaugh sez: They’re not drugs if they’re prescribed, but Meds.
TAKE YER MEDS, PBJ!
It would be nice to get some of rabbit’s anger channeled into anger at the jihad terrorists but I doubt that will happen; like I say, you learn a lot about a man, or a movement, by the enemies they pick.
And by the way rabbit – you think President Bush is not legit? You doing anything to back that up? Not paying taxes? conspiracy cells? Or are just a bunch of leftoid hot air. You know, the jihad terrorists don’t think Bush is legit either; you’ve got a lot in common.
115 PBJ
Has or has not Tom Delay been indicted and is going to rial?
Has or has not William jefferson been indicted and is giong to trial?
Hint: the answer to the former is yes, to the latter no.
pbj
“So dead people voting is a fair election? Do you deny dead people voted?
…
Yeah, sounds like a real fair election to me. NOT!”
Ummm…pbj…in the cases of someone voting on behalf of a dead voter that we know about…those votes were for Rossi.
You ignorant motherfuckers tried, but STILL couldn’t quite steal the election!
115 PBJ
Traficant’s in prison. Berry’s out of office, and was not in the Congress, but was rather a mayor. And really, that’s all you got?
All of the men I mentioned (minus Delay as of a few days ago) are sitting members of Congress. The LEADERSHIP of the OGP Congress, in some of the most powerful positions (did Imention Senate majority Leader Bill Frist’s insider trading?), who are in the builders and operators of a truly mindbending web of corruption, graft, nepotism, fraud, and theft that is going to be looked at for decades to come as a low point in American politics to rival only the Gilded Age Republicans and the Teapo Dome Republicans.
Will Rogers said 70 years ago, “Republicans are always saying that government doesn’t work, then they get elected and prove it.” Things haven’t changed much.
Roger Rabbit thanks for the excellent work fighting these ignorant and hate-filled right-wing trolls.
The worst of the lot is that lying right-wing thug pbj – this idiot has the gall to quote a mendacious propagandist like Michelle Malkin!
Close on that jackass’s heels is the open sore who calls herself Xmas Ghost – looking down her nose from her new perch in Caaaleefuurneeeaaa.
Soundcrossing came off reasonable at first but descended right back into unthinking partisanship. Yeah, Byrd’s a demon to these right wing shills but someone like Zell Miller is a “centrist”…
To summarize:
pbj: hardcore right-wing thug
DOOFUS: inveterate right-wing liar and thug
XmasGhost: hysterical, paranoid, resentment-soaked right-wing harpy.
das: right-wing snoozefest
soundcrossing: halfway civil when his right-wing blood isn’t up.
Things have been so bad in this country since Bush usurped power. I want to believe the American people are finally sick and tired of this crowd and will clean house in November.
I’m looking forward to Goldy’s show tonight. Remember right-wingers, that was the slot of the right-wing liar Brian Maloney (Brainless Baloney). Justice has been served!!!! Eat it wingers!!!!
pbj @ 114
“I don’t do drugs frog.”
Oh? You must just be naturally fucked-up.
BTW, pbj, have they changed your contract? Do you get paid by the word, by the post, or by the hour?
What do you charge them to be their troll-fuck prostitute?
das @ 120
“You know, the jihad terrorists don’t think Bush is legit either; you’ve got a lot in common.”
Ummm…das, are you a fucking high-schooler or something?
And given the stupidity of your commentary here, I just have to ask…
Are you a paid troll, too? How much do they pay you whores?
@116,
Oh those are all complaints I hear from conservatives and they are well justified. I don’t worship President Bush by any means.
You also forgot to throw in his poor performance on stopping illegal immigration as well. Don’t get me started on that one….
But Democrats ENCOURAGE illegals to come to this country because they want them as voters. Heck democrat challenger Busby in the 50th congressional race in CA told them they didn’t even need to be citizens to vote for her.
Yes, Republicans encourage illegals to come here for cheap labor (it angers me). Both parties fail at the immigrations issue. The difference is that I have the courage to admit it. I am not so blinded by partisanship I will try to defend them on that issue. Just as I would hope there would be Democrats would would not be so blinded by partisanship as to defend a racist such as Robert Byrd. But alas none exist.
On the bright side, unemployment is lower than at anytime under Clinton, home ownership is at an all time high and no more planes are smashing into sky scrapers.
If Democrat party actually defended this nation and the Republicans didn’t, I would be voting for them. Ever since Jimmy Carter though, the modern day Democrat party will not defend the nation. Khobar towers, the first 1993 WTC attack, USS Cole, two Africe embassies, Black hawk Down. Clinton let us get our asses kicked all over the world. Only one who has drank long and deep from the kool-aid river can look at those incidents and still claim the Democrat Party is for national defense.
When you get a “true beleiver” such as rabbit brain trying to spoon feed spin by the truck full, it lower my opinion of that party.
@112,
The dead people voted Democrat. No amount of “drinking liberal” from the kool-aid trough will change the facts.
123,
Well now anyone can make an allegation. It has been said “innocent until proven guilty”. Liberals have added to that “unless you are a Republican or a US marine”.
Why is it that liberals are always willing to grant the maxim “innocent until proven guilty” to terrorists, but not to own own marines?
All the liberals have virtually convicted the marines in Haditha, yet Howard Dean wasn;’t sure in 2004 if Osama Bin Laden was guilty. Why is it Bin Laden gets the benefit of the doubt while marine are guilty until proven innocent?
And since you threw out “is that all you got” I have to respond. I didn’t want to trot out all the Democrat scums because it is such a long list, I’d crash the HA server. But before I begin I want to comment on you response regarding Marion Berry.
So if one gets away with it and gets out of office, it is OK?
Here is a list of INDICTED DEMOCRATS for you:
* Wisconsin – State Senate Majority Leader pleads guilty to two felonies
* Illinois – 5 convicted election leaders have sentencing postponed until January
* Alabama – Former Governor indicted on federal racketeering charges
* Texas – Contractors Association pleads guilty to two counts of illegal donations to Democrats
And let’s not forget the Democrat leaders from East St Louis Ill who have been CONVICTEFD (Daddy – that is what happend when you are found guilty, not just accused):
The sentencing hearings for former City Council member Charles Powell Jr. and four other Democratic Party leaders convicted of vote buying have been rescheduled for January and February.
U.S. District Chief Judge G. Patrick Murphy, who had presided over their four-week trial in June and will mete out their sentences, on Wednesday set the following schedule of sentencings:
• Sheila Thomas — 8 a.m., Jan. 30
• Yvette Johnson — 9 a.m., Jan. 30
• Kelvin Ellis — 8 a.m., Feb. 6
• Jesse Lewis — 9 a.m., Feb. 6
• Charlie Powell — 8 a.m., Feb. 13
Murphy originally had scheduled the hearings for Oct. 3, but postponed them until after he had ruled on the defendants’ post-conviction motions seeking either new trials or vacated sentences. Murphy issued an order Oct. 17 upholding the convictions.
Former Democrat Alabama Gov. Donald Siegelman indicted for raketeering:
http://www.washtimes.com/natio.....-6195r.htm
Former U.S. Rep. Frank Ballance, a North Carolina Democrat, was sentenced to four years in prison on Oct. 12,2005 for conspiring to divert taxpayer money to his friends and family through the charitable organization he founded in 1985.
Want some more? Ask nicely.
123,
Well now anyone can make an allegation. It has been said “innocent until proven guilty”. Liberals have added to that “unless you are a Republican or a US marine”.
Why is it that liberals are always willing to grant the maxim “innocent until proven guilty” to terrorists, but not to own own marines?
All the liberals have virtually convicted the marines in Haditha, yet Howard Dean wasn;’t sure in 2004 if Osama Bin Laden was guilty. Why is it Bin Laden gets the benefit of the doubt while marine are guilty until proven innocent?
And since you threw out “is that all you got” I have to respond. I didn’t want to trot out all the Democrat scums because it is such a long list, I’d crash the HA server. But before I begin I want to comment on you response regarding Marion Berry.
So if one gets away with it and gets out of office, it is OK?
Here is a list of INDICTED DEMOCRATS for you:
* Wisconsin – State Senate Majority Leader pleads guilty to two felonies
* Illinois – 5 convicted election leaders have sentencing postponed until January
* Alabama – Former Governor indicted on federal racketeering charges
* Texas – Contractors Association pleads guilty to two counts of illegal donations to Democrats
And let’s not forget the Democrat leaders from East St Louis Ill who have been CONVICTEFD (Daddy – that is what happend when you are found guilty, not just accused):
The sentencing hearings for former City Council member Charles Powell Jr. and four other Democratic Party leaders convicted of vote buying have been rescheduled for January and February.
U.S. District Chief Judge G. Patrick Murphy, who had presided over their four-week trial in June and will mete out their sentences, on Wednesday set the following schedule of sentencings:
• Sheila Thomas — 8 a.m., Jan. 30
• Yvette Johnson — 9 a.m., Jan. 30
• Kelvin Ellis — 8 a.m., Feb. 6
• Jesse Lewis — 9 a.m., Feb. 6
• Charlie Powell — 8 a.m., Feb. 13
Murphy originally had scheduled the hearings for Oct. 3, but postponed them until after he had ruled on the defendants’ post-conviction motions seeking either new trials or vacated sentences. Murphy issued an order Oct. 17 upholding the convictions.
Former Democrat Alabama Gov. Donald Siegelman indicted for raketeering:
http://www.washtimes.com/natio.....-6195r.htm
Former U.S. Rep. Frank Ballance, a North Carolina Democrat, was sentenced to four years in prison on Oct. 12,2005 for conspiring to divert taxpayer money to his friends and family through the charitable organization he founded in 1985.
Want some more? Ask nicely.
127 – More lies from pbj. The only time you hear a winger say anything bad about Bush is when Bush isn’t right-wing enough.
Crap about Busby – lie.
Unemployment – lie. Labor participation rate stinks.
Clinton struck back at all terrorist attacks – either didn’t make the papers (Khobar towers) or were sneered at by the wingnuts. At least Clinton didn’t bankrupt this country by starting wars on a whim. 9/11 happened on Bush’s watch and was the “Pearl Harbor” wet dream of Cheney, Wolfowitz and the rest of the neo-crazies.
PBJ: Brainwashed right-wing liar drunk on the kool-aid of WingNut Daily, NewsWhackos and the whole right-wing shill machine.
123,
Well now anyone can make an allegation. It has been said “innocent until proven guilty”. Liberals have added to that “unless you are a Republican or a US marine”.
Why is it that liberals are always willing to grant the maxim “innocent until proven guilty” to terrorists, but not to own own marines?
All the liberals have virtually convicted the marines in Haditha, yet Howard Dean wasn;’t sure in 2004 if Osama Bin Laden was guilty. Why is it Bin Laden gets the benefit of the doubt while marine are guilty until proven innocent?
And since you threw out “is that all you got” I have to respond. I didn’t want to trot out all the Democrat scums because it is such a long list, I’d crash the HA server. But before I begin I want to comment on you response regarding Marion Berry.
So if one gets away with it and gets out of office, it is OK?
Here is a list of INDICTED DEMOCRATS for you:
* Wisconsin – State Senate Majority Leader pleads guilty to two felonies
* Illinois – 5 convicted election leaders have sentencing postponed until January
* Alabama – Former Governor indicted on federal racketeering charges
* Texas – Contractors Association pleads guilty to two counts of illegal donations to Democrats
And let’s not forget the Democrat leaders from East St Louis Ill who have been CONVICTEFD (Daddy – that is what happend when you are found guilty, not just accused):
The sentencing hearings for former City Council member Charles Powell Jr. and four other Democratic Party leaders convicted of vote buying have been rescheduled for January and February.
U.S. District Chief Judge G. Patrick Murphy, who had presided over their four-week trial in June and will mete out their sentences, on Wednesday set the following schedule of sentencings:
• Sheila Thomas — 8 a.m., Jan. 30
• Yvette Johnson — 9 a.m., Jan. 30
• Kelvin Ellis — 8 a.m., Feb. 6
• Jesse Lewis — 9 a.m., Feb. 6
• Charlie Powell — 8 a.m., Feb. 13
Murphy originally had scheduled the hearings for Oct. 3, but postponed them until after he had ruled on the defendants’ post-conviction motions seeking either new trials or vacated sentences. Murphy issued an order Oct. 17 upholding the convictions.
Former Democrat Alabama Gov. Donald Siegelman indicted for raketeering:
http://www.washtimes.com/natio.....-6195r.htm
Former U.S. Rep. Frank Ballance, a North Carolina Democrat, was sentenced to four years in prison on Oct. 12,2005 for conspiring to divert taxpayer money to his friends and family through the charitable organization he founded in 1985.
Want some more? Ask nicely.
PBJ are you wanting democratic indictments. Well why didnt you
say so:
1. CRIME STATS
– Number of individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes: 47
– Number of these convictions during Clinton’s presidency: 33
– Number of indictments/misdemeanor charges: 61
– Number of congressional witnesses who have pleaded the Fifth Amendment, fled the country to avoid testifying, or (in the case of foreign witnesses) refused to be interviewed: 122
Number of Starr-Ray investigation convictions or guilty pleas (including one governor, one associate attorney general and two Clinton business partners): 14
– Number of Clinton Cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 5
– Number of Reagan cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 4
– Number of top officials jailed in the Teapot Dome Scandal: 3
The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
– Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates*
– Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
– Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
– Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
– First president sued for sexual harassment.
– First president accused of rape.
– First first lady to come under criminal investigation
– Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
– First president to establish a legal defense fund.
– First president to be held in contempt of court
– Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
– Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
– First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court
@131,
Is that all you got? “Liar liar pants on fire”? No sources, no proof?
And you call others clueless?
PBJ lying shill: Hey I’m a independent who mainly votes Democrat. I believe if a Democrat breaks the law, he or she should pay the price.
Would you state the same about Republicans like Libby, DeLay, Safavian, Foggo, Abramoff, Tobin, etc.?
Of course not, because they’re on your “team”.
@133,
Rufus. Thanks. I know you didn’t exhaust your list either. I am just curious how much kool-aid one must drink in order to beleive that all Democrats are angels and all Republicans are satan. I think they DID inhale.
Hey right wing shills: Bush I pardoned all the Reagan criminals. He did it on Christmas Eve. The present worked both ways. If Bush I didn’t pardon he would have been impeached when the crooks rolled over on him.
@135,
No clueless, what you are is a Democrat who cannot defend his party and so calls himself an independent.
If they get convicted, absolutely. Tom Delay was INDICTED. Two of the charges were thrown out so far. I do not know what the outcome will be. When it happens, if he is guilty he gets the boot in my book. The same goes for Jack Abramhoff too.
That is different from CONVICTED. Have you seen me defending any KKK grand kleagles in the Republican Party? Rabbit defends Robert “KKK” Byrd at the drop of a hat.
Now will you do the same to Democrats or is that only for Republicans?
Hey pbj trollfuck,
Really…tell us. How much do they pay you to whore? There’s no shame (anymore). Goldy is a big target for you assholes.
Don’t be shy….
@125,
DJ – I am sorry you do not like facts. “The problem with our freinds ont he left is that they know so many things that just aren’t so.” – The Great Ronald Wilson Reagan.
@139,
It’s really is all about feces and fornication with you liberals isn’t it?
DJ @ 137,
Is that the conspiracy theory you are peddling? And yet the fact remains, only two president’s ever impeached in US history. Both of them are Democrats.
Ouch. That’s gotta hurt.
PBJ lying shill: Abramoff was CONVICTED – that great friend of DeLay and Norquist, College REPUBLICAN – does he get the boot?
Of course not. He was on your “team”.
I can defend the Dems as a party that more reflects my personal values like fairness and an even playing field for all the citizens of this country. The party isn’t a static thing. It changes over time sometimes for the worst. Can you say the same for the Republicans – is the party of Bush II a credit to the party of Lincoln?
Of course not – it’s a freaking abomination, plunging this country into a disastrous war and squandering a surplus into record debt. How you can look yourself in the mirror and shill for this party is beyond me.
PBJ lying shill: Dirty trickster Tobin was CONVICTED. Does he get the boot?
Of course not. Tobin was on your “team” and dirty tricksters like Tobin, Rove and Sagretti are ok in your book – as long as they don’t get caught – then they’re a minor embarrassment that you hope are quickly forgetten.
The problem is that conservatives can undestand leftoids but leftoids cannot understand conservatives; witness the frustration of these commentators that so quickly descends into foul word-bilge, calumny and hot-air hyperventillation; leftoids do not understand the premises of conservatives and end up calling them stupid or hate-filled; all of which is wrong.
@143,
Can you not read? Please provide me with anywhere I ever defended Jack Abramhoff? Yes he does get the boot. Despite your efforts to try to paint it otherwise, he was convicted. He gets the boot.
Now will you stop defending someone who lied under oath (Bill Clinton)?
Of course not, he is on “your team”.
I can defend the Dems as a party that more reflects my personal values like fairness and an even playing field for all the citizens of this country. – Clueless
Does “fairness for all” include confiscating taxpayer money to build things such as Safeco field? How “fair” is it to tax peple who make on average less than $30,000/year to give a gift to people who, on average make millions per year?
See that is why I could never be a Democrat. You spew the feel good fluffy crap, all the while doing the exact thing you always accuse the Republicans of doing.
@144 Clueless Liberal Lemming,
I already told you. If they are convicted, they are gone in my book. You however have not said the same thing. They could be knee deep in it it and like a persistent lemming, you follow right along. That is the difference between us.
das the deluded right-wing snoozefest: you’re pretty quick to compare liberal posters here to Castro, Mao and Lenin.
I challenge you to find one comment where a liberal/lefty poster here at HA.org has quoted Castro, Mao, Lenin, Stalin or Marx.
You won’t find any because you shills live to paint the distorted picture of your delusional fantasies, i.e. you are wrong.
lying right wing shill pbj:
You say:
If they are convicted, they are gone in my book. You however have not said the same thing.
I say:
I believe if a Democrat breaks the law, he or she should pay the price.
Commentby For the Clueless— 6/11/06@ 5:55 pm
Next lie?
pbj shill: Hmmmm. Let’s compare taxing people to build a ball park with borrowing and squandering money from China and Japan to kill people in a war on a whim in Iraq.
If someone died in an accident on the Safeco field build site I’ve yet to hear of it. Yet I know a lot of folks who love to see the Mariners play. Was it the best allocation of public resources? Probably not.
But does that war on a whim in Iraq make you feel warm and fuzzy? Of course it does – it was conceived and executed by your “team”.
PBJ lying shill: Abramoff was CONVICTED – that great friend of DeLay and Norquist, College REPUBLICAN – does he get the boot?
Of course not. He was on your “team”.
So being a friend to someone convicted means you get the boot? Buh bye Hillary. Clinton ties to people convicted of crimes during the Clinton administration:
Roger Clinton
Dan Lasater
Dan Harmon
Bill McCuen
Webster Hubbell
Jim Guy Tucker
William J. Marks Sr.
Jim McDougal
Susan McDougal
David Hale
Chris Wade
Stephen Smith
Larry Kuca
Robert Palmer
Neal Ainley
John Latham
John Haley
Eugene Fitzhugh
Charles Matthews
Richard Douglas
James H. Lake
Ron Blackley
Brook Keith Mitchell Sr.
John J. Hemmingson
Alvarez T. Ferrouillet, Jr.
Michael Brown
Eugene Lum
Nora Lum
Johnny Chung
Roger Tamraz
Linda Jones
Patsy Jo Wooten
Allen Wooten
Clueless @148,
No, you probably won’t find them quoted here. Even liberals are smart enough not to do that. But if one uses their brain and observes, one can find the hidden hand behind the liberals.
Take all these democstrations for instance. One of the usual antagonists sponsoring them is International A.N.S.W.E.R (Act Now to Stops Was and End Racism). Sounds all nice and fluffy, no?
The Stalinist Worker’s World Party is responsible for the following front groups: the International Action Center, A.N.S.W.E.R. anti-war coalition, Mumia 2000, Iraq Sanctions Challenge, National Peoples Campaign and the People’s Video Network.
From: http://www.infoshop.org/texts/wwp.html
Given that authoritarian sectarian groups tend to stay with the tactics that work for them, it’s quite simple to trace the connections between the WWP and A.N.S.W.E.R. Sometimes this is as easy as looking at which groups are individuals are involved when a group starts. Another easy method is to look at who speaks to the media at A.N.S.W.E.R. press conferences. In the case of A.N.S.W.E.R., WWP member Brian Becker is frequently the spokesperson for A.N.S.W.E.R. at press conferences and in media interviews. The beauty of front groups is that they can establish media credibility for a leader who can hide their links with the more politically problematic parent group. You can also look at who speaks at A.N.S.W.E.R. sponsored events: you will find activists such as Larry Holmes, Ramsey Clark, and Leslie Feinberg who all identify themselves as being part of front groups run by the WWP. Feinberg has identified herself as being a member of the IAC, when in reality she is the editor of Workers World, the newspaper of the WWP.
Clueless@150,
But does that war on a whim in Iraq make you feel warm and fuzzy? Of course it does – it was conceived and executed by your “team”.
See. That is why you liberabls will never be entrusted with national security. We had a thing called 911 happen. Now you may have been rooting for the terrorists on that one, but most of America considered that an act of war.
For Clueless,
If telling the truth makes me a schill in your book , then I glady accept the term.
152 – that is so laughable. You guys really are pathetic. Tell me if any of those lefty groups have the least bit of relevancy to the debate in this country. I can agree with them on one thing: invading Iraq was wrong and a disaster.
Those sectarian lefty groups are about as relevant to the discussion as the bloviations from those LGF freaks to which you seem to be connected. LGF freaks and those sectarian lefties are funhouse mirror images of each other. They feed on one another.
Those sectarian lefties are so scary. LMAO!!
I always find it interesting the way liberals “debate”. They shout and scream and cuss and tell you to just accept what they say without any verifiable source.
Angry liberal impersanation: “Just accept what I say or you are a Nazi, you F#%#%@ poopyhead”!
153 – uh.. pbj shill.. 911 happened on Bush’s watch.. Clinton warned Bush about bin Laden.
And you think Dems can’t be trusted?
I know I can trust wingnuts to plunge this country into war and debt on a whim.
155,
Hey, you are the one that initially denied any connection at all between the Stalinist Socialists and the rest of the left.
Michael shill @ 151
I love it when you guys trot out lists compiled by your favorite right-wing shill outlets like NewsWackos and WingNut Daily.
Susan McDougal was imprisoned because she refused to cooperate with Ken Starr’s witchhunt. To be more specific she refused to sign his “proffer” which was a list of lies that Starr had concocted.
Keep serving it up Michael..
@157,
Clinton told Sudan Bin laden wasn’t a problem. They offered Bin Laden to him twice and he turned them down.
Yeah 911 happened on Bush’s watch. He inherited from Clinton a hollow military that had ben gutted during the Clinton years and the terorrists figured that after the USS Cole, Two African Embassies, 1993 WTC bombing, Khobar Towers and Blackhawk Down, they had been emboldened and could kick our asses.
Guess what? They were wrong. No mor that 3 years transpired between attacks when Clinton was in office. It is now 2006, 5 years after 911 and no more planes have flown into sky scrapers, no navy ships sunk, no African embassies blown up. I’d say that Bush’s strategy is working.
No, 911 wasn’t “on a whim”. Once again you show that Democrats like seeing Americans beheade and their dead bodies dragged across the streets of Somalia. You think 911 was “a whim”. Yet another reason Democrats will never run national security. They may get a chance to RUIN it, but they will never run it, except into the ground, as happened on Clinton’s watch.
158 – Oh I get it now!!! You’re making a McCarthyist argument. I’m a “fellow traveler” or “dupe” of those sectarian lefties who you feel so threatened by because the LGF commenters told you so.
HISTORY REPEATS!!
This is so hilarious!!! Keep serving it up guys!!!
@159 Clueless Schill,
There you go again, No matter how crooked, how evil. You defend them because they are “on your team”. Once again PROVING liberals do exactly what they accuse others of doing. EXACTLY!
160 – pbj shill you got a million of ’em. They keep getting more and more delusional…
I’ve had my fill.. Thanks for the laughs!!
@161,
What is LGF? Liberal Goldstein Fellowship?
@163,
Ran out of talking points eh? I guess the liberal reeducation center is closed on Sunday.
Hey Michael – why don’t fill in pbj about the LGF commenters.
He’ll fit right in.
Unlike liberals, if I came accross someone stranded in the desert and they had all kinds of liberal stickers on their vehicle, I’d still stop to help them out.
@166,
I thought you were leaving us. Yet anther liberal lie.
Well, I see no liberal is around to defend their indefensible stands. So I will now leave you to yourselves. I am sure once you all think I am gone you will try to pounce and make your points knowing that I am not here to respond. But that is the way of ther liberal weenies now isn’t it?
Watch you PROVE my point.
@159 Susan McDougal was convicted of 4 felonies by a jury of her peers. Nice try though.
Mostly I just feel sorry for leftoids. At the height of Stalin’s terror, when his faithful, true-believing prisoners, collapsed with grief between two jailers who carried them out to the yard (to be whacked in the head with a shovel – why waste bullets?) – the ever faithful prisoners would cry, “please, just let me tak to Koba. Just one more time. He will understand this is all a mistake!”
That’s pretty much how I see our present-day rabid anti-Bush left; hating America and Bush to the end; believing the best of jihad murderers to the bitter end…
Michael shill @ 170
Hmmmm.. Do YOU know anyone who has been convicted of a crime? Friend? Friend of a friend? Family member?
How does that reflect on YOU? Hmmm?
pbj @ 142
“Is that the conspiracy theory you are peddling?”
Is what a conspiracy theory?
“And yet the fact remains, only two president’s ever impeached in US history. Both of them are Democrats.
Ouch. That’s gotta hurt.”
Nope…I am not a Democrat.
Hey pbj,
What prison were you in for the last 6 months?
Don’t worry, pal, you can always back up to a door knob to get that “Bubba” feeling again.
Susan McDougal was imprisoned because she refused to cooperate with ….
Commentby For the Clueless— 6/11/06@ 6:50 pm
She wasn’t the only one Clueless:
Number of times that Clinton figures who testified in court or before Congress said that they didn’t remember, didn’t know, or something similar.
Bill Kennedy 116
Harold Ickes 148
Ricki Seidman 160
Bruce Lindsey 161
Bill Burton 191
Mark Gearan 221
Mack McLarty 233
Neil Egglseston 250
Hillary Clinton 250
John Podesta 264
Jennifer O’Connor 343
Dwight Holton 348
Patsy Thomasson 420
Jeff Eller 697
No wonder it cost so much to prosecute these clowns.
I saw photos from KOS convention, where they had a tinfoil hatmaking contest. Everyone was standing around wearing tinfoil hats. it was quite appropriate.
Misty @ 176
I thought that was great, too…ummm…because they were mocking Wingnuts.
But dj, it wasn’t conservatives standing around wearing tinfoil hats. Forever it will be the KOS faithful, and the photo will likely will be used many times.
Misty @ 178
“But dj, it wasn’t conservatives standing around wearing tinfoil hats.”
Yes, Misty, but nobody expects wingnut dipshits to understand ANYTHING with humor in it. I mean…we even do this at Drinking Liberally occasionally…offer a free drink to the person who shows up with a tin foil hat.
“Forever it will be the KOS faithful, and the photo will likely will be used many times.”
That’s ok…feel free to use the tinfoil hat photos…we have all those photos of dead and mutilated Iraqi women and children to characterize the wingnut brigade….
That’s ok…feel free to use the tinfoil hat photos…we have all those photos of dead and mutilated Iraqi women and children to characterize the wingnut brigade….
Commentby dj— 6/11/06@ 11:13 pm
You mean the millions that were killed by Sadam…. er wait nevermind.
“Al Gore” @ 180
“You mean the millions that were killed by Sadam…. er wait nevermind.”
Nope…we don’t really have any photos from Sadaam’s Reagan-sponsored years.
I meant the photos of some of the thousands of innocent women and children killed by BushCo’s invasion of Iraq.
Of course the Human Rights people were saying that the UN sanctions were killing millions of Iraqis per year. Now that the sanctions were removed, largely due to the American invasion, they are whining about something else. You can’t please them.
Michael @ 182
“Of course the Human Rights people were saying that the UN sanctions were killing millions of Iraqis per year. Now that the sanctions were removed, largely due to the American invasion, they are whining about something else. You can’t please them.”
But…as you very well know (because we have discussed it before) the study published in The Lancet estimated mortality EXCESS attributable to the U.S. military invasion of iraq. Their finding are for mortality IN EXCESS of the background levels during the sanctions. In other words, death rates (at least through the data-collection period of that study) were even higher after the U.S. invaded than before.
And before you spew your wingnut talking points, read the fucking Lancet study. I have, and I actually understand the design, analytical methods, and results. Do you?
And as we discussed before, The Lancet is a bigger joke than HA. They picked about 5 hard hit villages and tried to extrapolate their losses to be representative of the losses nationwide. The fact is, they didn’t use a single sample from a Kurdish area, which would presumably be American friendly and would likely suffer less losses from an American invasion.
How are we ever going to change anything about Islam? It is a religion firmly rooted in the Seventh Century and determined to stay there. All we should do is prevent them from imposing their fundamentalist religion on the rest of us.
I say let’s disengage from these cultures and deal strictly at arm’s length with all the nations in the area. I’m sick and tired of funding foreign adventures.
As if on cue, the KOS tinfoil hat photo has gone national and it’s the left who is now the butt of jokes for it. They may want to rethink that one next year at the KOS convention.
So the WTC parking lot is bombed on February 26, 1993 (36 days after Clinton took office) and it’s his fault, but the WTC attack on September 11, 2001, 9 1/2 months after Bush took office, after the entire Clinton NS staff told them that bin Laden was THE problem, after Richard Clarke tried unsuccesffully for the 9 1/2 months to get them to pay attention to terrorism and execute a plan (they were too busy hyping Star Wars–again–I swear these guys are all stuck in 1982), after FBI agents tried in vain to get the government to pay attention to the Middle Eastern guys attending flight school, and after Bush went on vacation (for a month) AFTER he was briefed that bin Laden was going to attack the US, it’s not his fault.
Right.
Of course, we (the Clinton administration, that is) caught and convicted the WTC bombers.
%he USS COle? Intersting one, that. Of course, IT occured on October 12, 200, just threee months before Clinton was leaving office. The Clinton administration sent FBI agents to assist with the yemeni investigation. By late November, Yemen was preparing to try the first six perpetrators. In December, they brought two more perps to trial. By Jan 11, further five people – three Yemenis and two Egyptians – were arrested in conneciton to the case.
Then, of ourse, it took the Bush administration two more years to catch Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, the main planner, He is still being held somewhere in teh Bush Gulag. Wouldn’t you like to see him go to trial? He’s been tried, convicted, and sentenced to death in absentia in Yemen. But the Bush guys would screw up his trial just like they have everything else. Heckuva job, Brownie.
I miss the days when competent people ran our country. Remember the low unemployment, high GDP, budget surpluses, no body bags coming home?
Michael @ 148
“And as we discussed before, The Lancet is a bigger joke than HA. They picked about 5 hard hit villages and tried to extrapolate their losses to be representative of the losses nationwide. The fact is, they didn’t use a single sample from a Kurdish area, which would presumably be American friendly and would likely suffer less losses from an American invasion.”
Nope, Michael. You don’t know what the fuck you are talking about. The study was well done, using standard methods, carefully carried out, and fully disclosed. It passed peer review at one of the most prestegious biomedical journals in the world.
But…Michael doesn’t like it, so it must be bad! (Of course, Michael doesn’t understand the methods, either).
Misty @ 186
“As if on cue, the KOS tinfoil hat photo has gone national and it’s the left who is now the butt of jokes for it. They may want to rethink that one next year at the KOS convention.”
What. Mocking Wingnuts? You’re fucking kidding, right?
@190 I did a big piece on that earlier, let me try to find it. They took I think it was 36 samples, each of which was supposed to represent 1/36 of the country of Iraq. However, they took exactly 0 samples in Kurdish areas, which is about 1/3 of the country, because that would be contrary to the point they were trying to make.
Ah, here it is, and I quote myself. The original study was published at http://www.sciencedirect.com/s.....e245b63a7a
“I am looking at the Lancet survey, which claimed that around 100,000 people were killed in Iraq due to the US invasion between March 2003 and September 2004. This study was largely discredited due to its margin of error ( 95% certainty that the number was between 8,000 and 194,000 so 100,000 is somewhere around the middle, that was the number they reported). However, some people still argue that this number is accurate.
The problem I see is this: The country was divided into what was supposed to be 33 relatively equal clusters, each being approximately 739,000 people, or 1/33 of Iraq’s population. They then surveyed 30 households in each cluster and “assumed that every household had seven individuals” (not sure where they got that assumption, they didn’t say). However, my claim is that the 33 clusters were far from the norm of what should have been selected as a random sample. Here are some cities, populations, and cluster assignments:
Sulaymaniya – 1,100,000 – 3 clusters
Salah ad Din – 1,099,000 – 3 clusters
Karbala – 1,047,000 – 3 clusters
Missan – 685,000 – 3 clusters
I’m starting to see a pattern here. These clusters don’t seem to be approximately 739,000 people each. I have highlighted Karbala, because I have heard the name in the news alot, and it seems to be a particularly violent place. Now let’s continue.
Arbil – 1,100,000 – 0 clusters
Eh? What is unique about Arbil that would cause them to get 0 clusters? Could it be that they are a Kurdish city in northern Iraq, are US friendly, and have had very few casualties during the war? In fact, I believe that is the case. They were intentionally left out of the sample because it would significantly lower the average number of people killed. The authors of this survey instead cherry-picked the most violent places and then tried to extrapolate this data over the whole of the Iraqi population.
Ummm…Wingnut Michael, you still have not read the fucking paper you dolt! READ IT. The specify in great detail their sampling strategy. Do ya understant it? No…because you didn’t read the fucking paper!
Umm, I quoted the paper. When you explain to me why Karbala, population 1,047,000 (I have no idea if that is true or not, but that is quoted from the paper) gets 3 clusters, or represents 9 percent of the population, but Arbil, population 1,100,000, gets 0 clusters, or represents 0 percent of the population, then we can discuss their sampling strategy. That is like saying that since there are a lot of murders in Detroit, that the whole United States is like that. It doesn’t get any more unscientific than that. And you still haven’t addressed the fact that the paper says that there is a 95 percent chance that the number killed was between 8,000 and 194,000, so they chose 100,000, a nice round number near the middle.