The Seattle P-I’s Joel Connelly got to sit down with Barak Obama after Saturday’s event, and came away impressed. The Stranger’s Eli Sanders didn’t get to sit down with Obama, and came away unimpressed. But… well… Eli’s wrong.
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108, Libertarian, I never attended flight school. Hence, I never “washed out”. All a figment of GBS’s vivid “imagination”. All my training was done in Newport, RI and Coronado, Ca, as well as the old Philadelphia Ship Yard. Then, three WESTPACs of 6 monthe each , one ten month IO cruise, and a tour in Coronado at the NAB. Four years at sea, and two ashore.
Comment by Myron [JCH] Silverstein, ESQ— 2/24/06 @ 3:04 pm
@ 123
JCH: Are you saying GWB served in combat then? Just askin’
Comment by windie — 1/24/06 @ 3:59 pm [No, but, Windie, have YOU ever “buckled up” in a Mach 2 F-106? Not for pussies. I washed out of Naval Air [bad GI] and served Surface Line [1110]. Flying [and training] in military jets are not for the Bill Clintons of the world.]
Comment by JCH — 1/24/06 @ 4:37 pm
“There is no God But Allah!!” [Right GBS?? Allah good!! Bush bad!! Yale terrorists as Freshman: good!! Bush bad!! GBS good!! JCH bad!!]
GBS good!! Praise Allah!! Bush bad!!!
Fireman GBS good!!! LT JCH bad!!!
Sadaam and GBS: Good!! Bush bad!!
Jane Fonda Good!! GBS Good!!!! Bush bad!!!
Electorial College: Bad!!! Thousands of illegal Democrat votes in Detroit and Cook County, IL: GOOD!!! ID for voters: Bad!!!!! Bush bad!!!
Flight School for Terrorist Yale Freashman: Good!!!! GBS: Good!!! Bush and JCH: Bad!!!
JCH
Why bother even posting here?
You’ll never win an argument and absolutly never get anyone to agree with you, so why bother?
You’re wasting everyones time with your bullshit feud with GBS.
Just can’t stand others that don’t share your same opinions?
Better get used to it bud.
Maybe Rush Limpdick or the Savage Nation will be more in line with your Nazi views.
HorseColor–
If you look at comment #1 and the threads for many, many weeks, you will see your LEFTIST PINHEADED KLOWNPAL GBS always strikes the first blow.
Seems to me you might want to lecture GBS….as if you really care!!!!
You are no different than the other PINHEADS dude…..you want to stifle opposing viewpoints. JCH has made many reasonable arguments….he just doesn’t argue the way you want him to (which is to not argue and leave!!).
PINHEADS ought to lecture PINHEADS….just a thought.
PS—How’s that “Emergency” Alaskan Way Viaduct project coming?
I was in Seattle yesterday and the damn thing is still standing….with lots of bums underneath.
Cantwell’s lead over McGavick continues statistically unchanged. Rasmussen Reports says that she leads him 49% to 36%, and her favorable/unfavorable rating has improved to 60% to 35%, while McGavick’s is stuck at 37%/32%.
In other news (same article) Governor Christine Gregoire is viewed favorably by 57% of all voters. In addition, 57% of voters approve of the job she is doing as governor.
Buh-bye, Mike. Buh-bye, Dino.
Mr. Cynical
Can you point me to one of JCH’s reasonable arguments?
DEMOCRATS SMOKE AND MIRRORS BUDGET EXPOSED BY THE SEATTLE TIMES!!!!
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....et20m.html
Even the Seattle Times figured this 3-card Monty game out. Where is the pea??? Where is the pea??
Mr. Cynical
Can you point me to one of JCH’s reasonable arguments?
Commentby Daddy Love— 3/20/06@ 1:01 pm
JCH’s ability to tie virtually every worldly issue back to “Tookie Love” is quite unique. It’s something folks on the Left abhor…so it must be reasonable!
If you want economic growth that will sustain our state butget, just elect a Democrtic president.
The twenty years of budgets prepared by Republican presidents increased the national debt by $3.8 trillion. The average yearly deficit under Republican budgets was $190 billion.
The twenty years of budgets prepared by Democratic presidents increased the national debt by $719.5 billion. The average yearly deficit under Democratic budgets was $36 billion.
Under the 20 years of Republican administrations the number of non-defense government employees rose by 310,000.
Under the 20 years of Democratic administrations, the number of non-defense government employees rose by 59,000.
Of the 369,000 employees added between 1962 and 2001, 84% were added under Republican administrations and 16% were added under Democratic administrations.
The economy grew in 19 of the 20 years in which Democratic Presidents submitted a budget and in 16 of the 20 years in which Republican Presidents submitted a budget.
For the twenty years for which Republican presidents submitted budgets, the average rate of GDP growth was 2.94%.
For the twenty years in which Democratic presidents submitted budgets, the average rate of GDP growth was 3.92%.
For the twenty years in which Republican Presidents submitted a budget, the unemployment rate averaged 6.75%.
For the twenty years in which Democratic Presidents submitted a budget, the unemployment rate averaged 5.1%.
Mr. Cynical @ 14:
That’s it?? JCH assimilates every argument to anal intercourse so you consider that reasonable debate? Conservatives are truly out of ideas, even bad ones.
Puhh-lease, I don’t like your politics, but even I had a little bit more respect for you and your views than that!!
Do I strike the first blow? Hell, yes. JCH is the fucking lying, scumbag son-o- a bitch who tried to make ME out as the fucking liar saying that it was “All a figment of GBS’s vivid “imagination”.” Remember?!?!?!
It’s ass holes like JCH, that give credence to the new maxim that conservatives are lying, dishonest, corrupt, and incompetent bastards.
He’s your guy’s fucking problem. My exposing him doesn’t make me culpable for his lying.
You fucking hypocrite. Where’s the “party of personal responsibility” now. Fuckhead.
To Conservative First: a while back you asked me if I really thought the Bushies were installing a theocracy.
Well, Kevin Phillips, more or less thinks so.
The sad part of this budget mess is that the future costs of Medicare and the implosion of Social Security are going to make our current fiscal problems look easy. We’re in for a rough time.
Mr. Cynical
“JCH has made many reasonable arguments….he just doesn’t argue the way you want him to (which is to not argue and leave!!).”
WAH, HAAAA, HAAAA, HAAAAA!!!!!
That was a good ‘un Cynical. I see your sense of humor hasn’t completely gone away.
“PS—How’s that “Emergency” Alaskan Way Viaduct project coming?
I was in Seattle yesterday and the damn thing is still standing….with lots of bums underneath.”
I dare say it is doing a hell of a lot better than the “emergency” to “disarm” Iraq. It is costing one hell of a lot less money, too!
Mr. Cynical @ 10
“PINHEADS ought to lecture PINHEADS….just a thought.”
Here’s another thought for you.
LIARS ought to lecture LIARS. . . just a thought.
Oh, wait, if you guys did that you’d be doing nothing BUT lecturing each other.
Do us all a favor and come to grips with your party’s dishonesty issue. You guys are Bush Republicans which is synonymous with failed.
Mr. C
No one wants to stifle anything dude, just want to see if JCH has anything better to contibute other than the insults he, and you and your ilk throw out when those here don’t agree with you.
Like I said above, why bother postng here, when you and others that agree with you can post on neocon threads and blogs.
This is a liberal blog for fucking crist sakes, get over it.
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Man, I never get tired of that story! Tell it AGAIN!! :D :D :D
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Don’t discourage him! We want JCH to keep posting! He’s the best spokesman for Democrats the GOP has ever had.
If we could change the constitution to let Bill Clinton run again against George W. Bush, Bush wouldn’t win one fucking state. Period.
Republicans are costing this country the fiscal security that Bill Clinton built.
Bill Clinton: Building the bridge to the 21st century.
George Bush: Retreated across that bridge and burned it.
Losers. Stop drinking the kool aid, will ya?
Name one thing George W. Bush has done exceedingly well. Just one.
Roger Rabbit @ 22:
I know, I know, it’s one of your favorite stories. I’ll repost it again tomorrow.
Don’t you worry.
Exposing the lying right-wing, neo-CONvicts is what I like doing best on this blog.
RR @ 22 & 23
Well, frankly, I never get tired of hearing these refucklicans get their faces rubbed in their own shit.
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You know something stinks when you see the shit running away from the outhouse.
ROGER RABBIT’S FARM PLAN
MTR should like this idea! Hey goopers, why don’t you stop paying taxes to pay Republican farmers to not grow crops? Tell ’em you don’t believe in that sort of thing, and if they want government handouts, they’ll have to get ’em from the Democrats! (Then we’ll see how long Kansas and Nebraska keep voting Republican.)
Yep, it would be fun to see the goopers practice what they preach. ha ha ha
@ 28:
“Yep, it would be fun to see the goopers practice what they preach. ha ha ha”
That’s exactly the problem; if they DID practice what they preached this would be a much better country.
But, they say one thing, get their kool-aid base in line, then do the dishonest thing. And, that’s not hyperbole to anyone following the news of crime and corruption that is the conservative party.
RR @ 27
Seems to be the current trend, doesn’t it?
GBS @ 24
Bill Clinton would win hands down.
Alright refucklicans, lets hear what King George has accomplished during his terns as president.
(Other than lying to get us into a war which has killed more than 2300 of our servicemen, eroded our rights under the so-called Patriot Act, illegal wiretaps, promoted his corporate pals, given tax breaks to the rich etc, etc, etc,)
U-huh, silence is golden.
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Well let’s see what the Democrats spent that money on … how about roughly $20 per pupil per year to help students pass WASL? My, what extravagance! And giving teachers a 1/2% COLA? Horrors! And $120 million of TAX CUTS to help spur the state’s economy — good grief! Such irresponsibility! Republicans HATE tax cuts!
Oh, and another thing Mr. Cynical didn’t mention — a big reason for new programs and higher costs in existing programs is UNFUNDED FEDERAL MANDATES and FEDERAL FUNDING CUTS foisted off on the states by a REPUBLICAN CONGRESS and a REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT.
Liberatarian
I only patially agree with you. Medicare (and medical care in general, including the growing numbers AND rising medical costs for everyone) looks like it will be in big trouble before too long.
SS, on the other had, has almost never really been in trouble and what problems it had were essentially solved in 1983. The current manufactured sky-is-falling “crisis” is partially due to misleading use of statistics by Reublicans, and partially due to the press and public taking the SS “worst case” projections as if they are the most LIKELY, which historically they have NEVER been. Look at the SS Trustees’ OTHER projections: they all show SS solvent for the foreseeable future.
Our fiscal troubles will come in the form of the chickens of our unsustainable cut-taxes-and-spend-like-crazy deficit spending coming home to roost. I used to scoff at the conspiracy theorists warning of countries converting their assets to euros from dollars. But guess what? It’s happening and it’s not good for us.
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In a previous thread, Richard Poop (sic) decried the fact Afghanistan is threatening to inflict the death penalty on an ex-Muslim for converting to Christianity.
I wonder what the GOP theocrats would do to an ex-Christian for converting to Islam, if they thought they could get away with it?
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“The sad part of this budget mess is that the future costs of Medicare and the implosion of Social Security are going to make our current fiscal problems look easy. We’re in for a rough time. Commentby Libertarian— 3/20/06@ 1:34 pm”
And the solution is to steal $1 trillion from Social Security retirees for personal accounts?
GBS sez:
“That’s it?? JCH assimilates every argument to anal intercourse so you consider that reasonable debate?”
JCH has it figured this way…….
When yer arguing with a bunch of assholes, you gotta speak their language!!!!!!!!!!!!!
C’mon now GBS, lighten up.
You don’t really take this THAT seriously….do you??
Let me give you a little hint…
Naaaaaaaaaaaaaah! It’s too much fun watching you KLOWNS tie yourselves up in knots. At least Roger Rabbit has a strong understand of what this Blog is all about. You don’t see him trying to boot people off of here, do you?
The beauty of a Blog is that the casual observor (of which there are very few) may very well be offended by some of the language and rhetoric here. Maybe!
I have talked to people who check in here and love the give-and-take. Folks let it fly! They find humor in some of the comments from both sides. Some “police-state” situation will end the “charm” of this Blog.
Hey, I stopped posting for almost 4 weeks awhile back. Rog was worried about me….”Where is Mr. Cynical???” Rog said many times during my sabbatical. If Rog disappeared, I’d be concerned about him. Rog takes no prisoners and stands up for what he believes in….and encourages others to do the same (even if they strongly disagree with him). I feel the same way.
Now, about that “Tookie Love”……..!!
JCH is starting a new line of “Tookie Love” Greeting Cards. It will eventually be expanded into “Tookie Love” tee-shirts, underwear, and Public Restroom Ass Gaskets…you know the paper you put on the seat so you don’t have to sit in other folks urine and poop!! JCH is determined to expose the Universe to “Tookie Love”!! At least he has a well-defined cause!
Wow, the open comments here are so… unimpressive.
I’m going to be pretty pissed at these Green Party folks if we end up with a 50-50 split of the Senate broken by Dick Cheney tie-breaking votes, and Senator Mike McGavick. Eyes on the prize, people. First, let’s get some progressives in meaningful positions in government, instead of watching as a Republican bend-over Congress does what it can for Worst. President. Ever. That means a Democratic majority in Congress, not pretending that you can elect 535 Jim McDermott clones.
No, the solution is not to steal $1 trillion from social security; they’ve “borrowed” it.
Mr. Cynical @ 35:
In fact, I do take seriously the destruction of our civil liberties, the squandering of 3 TRILLION dollars by the republicans, the deaths and difigurement of 10’s of thousands of soldiers based on a lie.
Yeah, I do take my country and her fate seriously. It’s high time you start doing the same, honestly that is.
The truth of the matter is this country always does better under Democratic leadership than republican. Always.
Let’s quote that last sentence again, because it deserves emphasis and repetition:
“If they get bogged down in a debate about how to ‘fix’ a system that isn’t broken, the privatizers will win, and Social Security will be needlessly pillaged.”
“If they get bogged down in a debate about how to ‘fix’ a system that isn’t broken, the privatizers will win, and Social Security will be needlessly pillaged.”
“If they get bogged down in a debate about how to ‘fix’ a system that isn’t broken, the privatizers will win, and Social Security will be needlessly pillaged.”
Do you get it now? Does everyone get it now? “Fixing” Social Security is about PILLAGING a system that isn’t broken. Got that, Libertarian?
Hey Libertarian, just in case you still don’t get it, here it is again:
“If they get bogged down in a debate about how to ‘fix’ a system that isn’t broken, the privatizers will win, and Social Security will be needlessly pillaged.”
Cheers. Your pal, Roger Rabbit.
That’s why we liberals have to call BULLSHIT on the right-wingers’ lies about Social Security every time they try to tell their lies.
Because if we don’t, they will PILLAGE Social Security — and then there WILL be a Social Security crisis, as in, the right-wingers screw retirees out of their SS retirement benefits just like the right-wingers are screwing them out of their pension benefits.
You know, it used to be that bandits only robbed railroads and banks, and took enough pride in their profession to leave widows, orphans, and helpless old people alone. These right-wingers are SHAMELESS. They steal from their own mothers.
Even Jesse James had more professional pride than these wingers.
So much for the fake “Social Security crisis.”
Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that EVERYTHING wingers do is fake?
“Mr. Cynical @ 35:
In fact, I do take seriously the destruction of our civil liberties, the squandering of 3 TRILLION dollars by the republicans, the deaths and difigurement of 10’s of thousands of soldiers based on a lie.
Yeah, I do take my country and her fate seriously. It’s high time you start doing the same, honestly that is.
The truth of the matter is this country always does better under Democratic leadership than republican. Always.
Commentby GBS— 3/20/06@ 2:18 pm”
So GBS, you take these things oh so seriously that what you are doing about it is Blogging?? That you are wasting time and space in a petty argument with JCH??? Look at your posts….how can anyone think you really take this seriously.
The point is, we all care about our Country. We just have different points of view about what we desire and how to accomplish it. Obviously you are an angry individual. Good. That’s a legitimate emotion. Your problem however is an inability to cogently explain what you envision, how to get there AND how you would sell it to the American people. You need to look ahead to 2008. Hillary Clinton will not win….and even if she did, so what??? The Dems are rudderless. Howard Dean??? His popularity is lower than Bush’s and he hasn’t even had to make a decision!!! Shift your focus from your enemy to developing a fucking plan GBS.
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“that’s not hyperbole to anyone following the news of crime and corruption that is the conservative party”
I must confess, we liberals aren’t perfect, and one area where we’ve somewhat fallen down is we’ve been too lenient on crime.
Consequently, the Republican thieves are running loose in the streets, instead of rotting in jail where they belong.
ROGER RABBIT’S CRIME REDUCTION PLAN
The first time an insurance CEO cancels your health insurance after cashing your premium checks, cut off his right hand.
The second time he does it, cut off his head.
We may have to kill a few insurance CEOs, but I’m confident this will eventually solve the problem.
Roger, can I have my vested interest in Social Security so I can roll it over into my IRA? If it’s such a sound system, my departing with my vested interest surely isn’t going to hurt it. Heck, if they give me my money, I’d never say anything bad about them, and I’d even give them the social security number back so they can recycle.
Roger, do you think you can put in a good word for me so I can get out of the social security system forever?
Be glad you’ve got that state pension, Roger.
You don’t see him trying to boot people off of here, do you?
Like the object of your adoration, the Minnow?
Face it, BOZO if any of us went to (un)SP with your attitude, we’d be off there in a flat minute.
RR argues with facts and quotes to back him up. You hardly bring anything to the table except your garbage in CAPS and !!!!.
I have no qualms with the people here showing you the door. With each dose of reality (election contest, I-912, Irons), your tired act grows more stale. You can scream at HA.org from your padded cell at the Minnow’s lunatic asylum.
“I wonder what the GOP theocrats would do to an ex-Christian for converting to Islam, if they thought they could get away with it?”
I wonder what they would call Islamic missionaries attempting to proselytize door-to-door like, say, the Mormons. Heck, I wonder if they’d even allow it — they’d probably get called “terrorists” and thrown in some sort of DHS internment facility.
Another republican gets caught with his pants down.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11930241/from/RS.4/
And here’s another thing about Social Security that I don’t like: up to 85% of the benefit can be taxed to the recipient as ordimary income. So, if a person gets a benefit of $10,000 per year, he or she may have to pay income taxes on $8,500 of that benefit.
Let’s review the bidding: we get taxed on our wages for social security. Our employers match the funding (and get a tax deduction for it). We get no tax deduction for our part. Then, at age 65 (or later, if you’re one of the unfortunatet ones), we get a chump-change monthly benefit from the system. If we were smart enough have been wise and put money away for retirement, the income generated by our retirement plans may be enough to cause 85% of that chump change benefit to be taxed to us as ordinary income. In other words, you could be taxed twice on the same money: once before it goes into the system and then again when you start receiving payments!
May I please be excused from such a wonderful system? i’ll take what I have vested now and leave quietly.
Libertarian
You don’t sound like an idiot a lot of the time. Why now?
“…can I have my vested interest in Social Security so I can roll it over into my IRA?”
Uh, duh, the short answer is no. But you know that SS pays out what it currently receives, and that it’s always been that way (when, for example, your older relatives received/receive it) so why do you ask a dumb question?
“If it’s such a sound system, my departing with my vested interest surely isn’t going to hurt it.”
Don’t play dumb, or try to set up a straw man. SS AS IT IS CURRENTLY SET UP is solvent and will amost certainly remain so indefinitely. If we do what you just proposed we break that promise to our sentior citizens. But who gives a damn about them, right?
Mr. Cynical:
It seems high time for a good ol’ fashion ‘Come to Jesus’ meeting.
I blog here for many of the same reasons you do, so it seems we are both equally spending/wasting our time here. I also blog here to bash republicans as one way to vent my frustration at people who claim to love this country, and yet, for whatever reason continue to support the same lying, destructive politicians. Namely the long list of republicans that I’ll spare you and me of listing here again.
My vision of America is primarily what our forefathers set in motion. A government divorced from religion, corruption and abuses of power against the common citizenry. A progressive and liberal government.
You cannot honestly look at the mid 1700’s and the thinking and reasoning of those men who founded this country and to use words like “conservative” to describe them.
They were bold thinkers, who, for basically the first time in human history, allowed the people to govern themselves. That is a progressive, liberal mindset. The Democratic party is the ONLY party that traces its roots to the founding of this nation. Period.
“We the people of the United States,. . . do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.” Do you understand the meaning behind the words ‘We the People’ and “do ordain’?
Seriously, can you explain it? What our forefathers meaning were benind those words in the preamble to the Constitution? I’m interested to hear your thoughts.
Additionally, I am huge believer in the fiscal policies of Bill Clinton. I don’t give a shit what you whack jobs thought of him, but he gave us unparallel prosperity. It was his vision to create a pay as you go government. Other countries around the world were happy to be our allies. Look at Clintons reception in India vs. Bush’s recent visit. There is no comparison. Even the way the British, Germans, French, Italians, Japanese, Koreans, China, they all think less of us because of Bush. An intelligent leader doesn’t alienate himself form his allies.
Daddylove at 32 is about the only person I’ve ever seen on this blog, besides me, discuss the dangers of the Euro becoming the global standard for currency. “I used to scoff at the conspiracy theorists warning of countries converting their assets to euros from dollars. But guess what? It’s happening and it’s not good for us.
Commentby Daddy Love— 3/20/06@ 2:01 pm
What’s more if the world ceases using the “Dollar” as the asset in which oil is bought and sold and is changed to Euro, this huge trade deficit we have combined with our huge national debt will devastate this country into 3rd world status.
That’s why I say George W. Bush and the republicans are doing more to destroy our nation than anything Al Qaeda could ever hope to accomplish. The are leading us, fiscally, down a path of self destruction. You guys think his tax and spending policies should be made permanent.
I will not look to 2008: That is the ruse by the right. We have no business wondering who we should be electing as our next president right now. We have problems in government that must be addressed THIS YEAR. To give George W. Bush a free ride to the end of his term would be a huge disaster for this country. I’m not saying impeachment, yet, but he needs to be restrained. NOW.
So while George W. Bush and the republicans have raised the National Debt limits 5 times on his watch from 6 TRILLION dollars to 9 TRILLION dollars so that we don’t default on our loans for the first time in our nation’s history, YOU’RE bitching about a 9 1/2 cent gas tax.
Get your fucking priorities straight, bub. If this nation defaults on his debt, even once, that 9 1/2 cent gas tax won’t matter one fucking bit.
Daddy Love – What? No comments about how the double-taxation is so good for us?
Anyone who set-up a private or non-federal government retirement plan that ran like social security would be doing hard time for fraud. You guys ever heard the term “Ponzi Scheme?”
Lib:
First, many of the current retiress did not contribute enough to cover what they receive. Whatever that portion is, it is not “double-taxed.” I have not investigated the rest.
I have information on why SS is not a “Ponzi” scheme as you conservatives (and don’t try now to deny it) love to claim. I’ll find and provide.
These wingnuts with their bet welshing, dishonesty and delusional belief systems don’t bring much of anything to the table here save a bleak reminder of what this country needs to move away from if it is to survive.
To those who tout the impeachment of Bush, think again folks.
Who’s next in line, and so on and so on and……
2008 is the only time in the near future to get them ALL out.
must be wingnut nappy time
or they’re trying to seek answers to “What good has the Prez done since being elected into office”
I’m sorry, since stealing the election
We’re waiting wingnuts…………….zzzzzzzzzz
What has Bush done while in office that’s benefited the American people?
Lib:
First, many of the current retiress did not contribute enough to cover what they receive. Whatever that portion is, it is not “double-taxed.” I have not investigated the rest.
I have information on why SS is not a “Ponzi” scheme as you conservatives (and don’t try now to deny it) love to claim. I’ll find and provide.
Commentby Daddy Love— 3/20/06@ 3:45 pm
Daddy Love – Guess what? Anyone who contributes to a 401K or 403B is expecting to get more out of it than he or she puts in. It’s called “investing for retirement,” not “let’s take money out of young folks’ checks now so we can pay-off the older folks who bought into this deal.”
OK, I’ll comprommse. Let’s give younger workers a chance to do something else with their retirement funds other than contribute to “group-think.” We’ll sell-off government lands and other assets to provide for the elderly until the young folks who leave the system get to retirement age and start drawing from their personal accounts. This is win-win – current retirees have bucks, younger folks get ownership of their money, and the public gets a chance to buy some government property.
Cynnical, you said:
His popularity is lower than Bush’s and he hasn’t even had to make a decision!!
Dean receives an 87% approval rating currently being taken at Daily Kos.
I cannot imagine GWB’s rating to be that high even on the wingnutiest of right wing spewing web sites.
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“Anyone who set-up a private or non-federal government retirement plan that ran like social security would be doing hard time for fraud. You guys ever heard the term “Ponzi Scheme?” Commentby Libertarian— 3/20/06@ 3:40 pm
B U L L S H I T
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“We’ll sell-off government lands and other assets”
B U L L S H I T
Okay, let’s see what would happen if we “sold over government assets” like Libertarian wants. Let’s start with the BPA. Your electricity rates — which have already trebled — will treble again if private enterprise gets its mitts on BPA, trust me on this. Assholes like “Libertarian” just want an excuse to dip into your pocket to STEAL YOUR MONEY. They think privatizing government assets (translation: letting the Ken Lays of the world own and run BPA for their own benefit) is preferable to public ownership of these assets for the benefit of all citizens. Fuck you and your ilk, Libertarian! Go crawl back into the slimy worm hole you slithered out of.
I am very confused by Post #56—
Does this mean that Daddy Love===GBS???
“Mr. Cynical:
It seems high time for a good ol’ fashion ‘Come to Jesus’ meeting.
I blog here for many of the same reasons you do, so it seems we are both equally spending/wasting our time here. I also blog here to bash republicans as one way to vent my frustration at people who claim to love this country, and yet, for whatever reason continue to support the same lying, destructive politicians. Namely the long list of republicans that I’ll spare you and me of listing here again.
My vision of America is primarily what our forefathers set in motion. A government divorced from religion, corruption and abuses of power against the common citizenry. A progressive and liberal government.
You cannot honestly look at the mid 1700’s and the thinking and reasoning of those men who founded this country and to use words like “conservative” to describe them.
They were bold thinkers, who, for basically the first time in human history, allowed the people to govern themselves. That is a progressive, liberal mindset. The Democratic party is the ONLY party that traces its roots to the founding of this nation. Period.
“We the people of the United States,. . . do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.” Do you understand the meaning behind the words ‘We the People’ and “do ordain’?
Seriously, can you explain it? What our forefathers meaning were benind those words in the preamble to the Constitution? I’m interested to hear your thoughts.
Additionally, I am huge believer in the fiscal policies of Bill Clinton. I don’t give a shit what you whack jobs thought of him, but he gave us unparallel prosperity. It was his vision to create a pay as you go government. Other countries around the world were happy to be our allies. Look at Clintons reception in India vs. Bush’s recent visit. There is no comparison. Even the way the British, Germans, French, Italians, Japanese, Koreans, China, they all think less of us because of Bush. An intelligent leader doesn’t alienate himself form his allies.
Daddylove at 32 is about the only person I’ve ever seen on this blog, besides me, discuss the dangers of the Euro becoming the global standard for currency. “I used to scoff at the conspiracy theorists warning of countries converting their assets to euros from dollars. But guess what? It’s happening and it’s not good for us.
Commentby Daddy Love— 3/20/06@ 2:01 pm
What’s more if the world ceases using the “Dollar” as the asset in which oil is bought and sold and is changed to Euro, this huge trade deficit we have combined with our huge national debt will devastate this country into 3rd world status.
That’s why I say George W. Bush and the republicans are doing more to destroy our nation than anything Al Qaeda could ever hope to accomplish. The are leading us, fiscally, down a path of self destruction. You guys think his tax and spending policies should be made permanent.
I will not look to 2008: That is the ruse by the right. We have no business wondering who we should be electing as our next president right now. We have problems in government that must be addressed THIS YEAR. To give George W. Bush a free ride to the end of his term would be a huge disaster for this country. I’m not saying impeachment, yet, but he needs to be restrained. NOW.
So while George W. Bush and the republicans have raised the National Debt limits 5 times on his watch from 6 TRILLION dollars to 9 TRILLION dollars so that we don’t default on our loans for the first time in our nation’s history, YOU’RE bitching about a 9 1/2 cent gas tax.
Get your fucking priorities straight, bub. If this nation defaults on his debt, even once, that 9 1/2 cent gas tax won’t matter one fucking bit.
Commentby GBS— 3/20/06@ 3:36 pm
I don’t quite understand how the Daddy Love and GBS posts got “intertwined”???
Love Daddy/GBS–
You asked me to comment on the meaning behind the words “we the people” and “do ordain” from the constitution. I will respond by sharing with you the Preamble to all 50 States Constitutions. Take a minute to read all of them. Do you see a common denominator??? I have saved this list for some time now just for opportunities like this.
America’s founders did not intend for there to be a separation of God and state, as shown by the fact that all 50 states acknowledge God in their state constitutions:
Alabama 1901, Preamble. We the people of the State of Alabama, invoking the
favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following
Constitution ..
Alaska 1956, Preamble. We, the people of Alaska, grateful to God and to
those who founded our nation and pioneered this great land ..
Arizona 1911, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Arizona, grateful to
Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution…
Arkansas 1874, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Arkansas, grateful
to Almighty God for the privilege of choosing our own form of government…
California 1879, Preamble. We, the People of the State of California,
grateful to Almighty God for our freedom .
Colorado 1876, Preamble. We, the people of Colorado, with profound reverence
for the Supreme Ruler of Universe .
Connecticut 1818, Preamble. The People of Connecticut, acknowledging with
gratitude the good Providence of God in permitting them to enjoy …
Delaware 1897, Preamble. Through Divine Goodness all men have, by nature,
the rights of worshipping and serving their Creator according to the
dictates
of
their consciences .
Florida 1845, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Florida, grateful to
Almighty God for our constitutional liberty … establish this
Constitution…
Georgia 1777, Preamble. We, the people of Georgia, relying upon protection
and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution…
Hawaii 1959, Preamble. We, the people of Hawaii, Grateful for Divine
Guidance . establish this Constitution
Idaho 1889, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Idaho, grateful to
Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings ..
Illinois 1870, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Illinois, grateful
to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberty which He hath
so
long permitted us to enjoy and looking to Him for a blessing on our
endeavors
.
Indiana 1851, Preamble. We, the People of the State of Indiana, grateful to
Almighty God for the free exercise of the right to chose our form of
government
..
Iowa 1857, Preamble. We, the People of the State of Iowa, grateful to the
Supreme Being for the blessings hitherto enjoyed, and feeling our dependence
on Him for a continuation of these blessings … establish this Constitution
Kansas 1859, Preamble. We, the people of Kansas, grateful to Almighty God
for our civil and religious privileges . establish this Constitution.
Kentucky 1891, Preamble. We, the people of the Commonwealth of grateful to
Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties…
Louisiana 1921, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Louisiana, grateful
to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties we enjoy ..
Maine 1820, Preamble. We the People of Maine .. acknowledging with grateful
hearts the goodness of the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe in affording us
an opportunity … and imploring His aid and direction
Maryland 1776, Preamble. We, the people of the state of Maryland, grateful
to Almighty God or our civil and religious liberty…
Massachusetts 1780, Preamble. We…the people of Massachusetts,
acknowledging with grateful hearts, the goodness of the Great Legislator of
the
Universe…in the course of His Providence, an opportunity and devoutly
imploring His
direction …
Michigan 1908, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Michigan, grateful
to Almighty God for the blessings of freedom … establish this Constitution
Minnesota, 1857, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Minnesota,
grateful to God for our civil and religious liberty, and desiring to
perpetuate
its
blessings
Mississippi 1890, Preamble. We, the people of Mississippi in convention
assembled, grateful to Almighty God, and invoking His blessing on our work.
Missouri 1845, Preamble. We, the people of Missouri, with profound reverence
for the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, and grateful for His goodness ..
establish this Constitution ..
Montana 1889, Preamble. We, the people of Montana, grateful to Almighty God
for the blessings of liberty establish this Constitution ..
Nebraska 1875, Preamble. We, the people, grateful to Almighty God for our
freedom .. establish this Constitution
Nevada 1864, Preamble. We the people of the State of Nevada, grateful to
Almighty God for our freedom . establish this Constitution ..
New Hampshire 1792, Part I. Art. I. Sec. V. Every individual has a natural
and unalienable right to worship God according to the dictates of his own
conscience .
New Jersey 1844, Preamble. We, the people of the State of New Jersey,
grateful to Almighty God for civil and religious liberty which He hath so
long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing on our
endeavors
.
New Mexico 1911, Preamble. We, the People of New Mexico, grateful to
Almighty God for the blessings of liberty ..
New York 1846, Preamble. We, the people of the State of New York, grateful
to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure its blessings .
North Carolina 1868, Preamble. We the people of the State of North Carolina,
grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for our civil,
political, and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon
Him for the continuance of those
North Dakota 1889, Preamble. We, the people of North Dakota, grateful to
Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, do ordain…
Ohio 1852, Preamble. We the people of the state of Ohio, grateful to
Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings and to promote our
common
..
Oklahoma 1907, Preamble. Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order to
secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty … establish this
Oregon 1857, Bill of Rights, Article I. Section 2. All men shall be secure
in the Natural right, to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of
their consciences .
Pennsylvania 1776, Preamble. We, the people of Pennsylvania, grateful to
Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly
invoking His guidance
Rhode Island 1842, Preamble. We the People of the State of Rhode Island
grateful to Almighty God for the civil and religious liberty which He hath
so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing
South Carolina, 1778, Preamble. We, the people of the State of South
Carolina grateful to God for our liberties, do ordain and establish this
Constitution
South Dakota 1889, Preamble. We, the people of South Dakota, grateful to
Almighty God for our civil and religious liberties . establish this
Tennessee 1796, Art. XI.III. That all men have a natural and indefeasible
right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their
conscience…
Texas 1845, Preamble. We the People of the Republic of Texas, acknowledging,
with gratitude, the grace and beneficence of God
Utah 1896, Preamble. Grateful to Almighty God for life and liberty, we
establish this Constitution .
Vermont 1777, Preamble. Whereas all government ought to … enable the
individuals who compose it to enjoy their natural rights, and other
blessings which the Author of Existence has bestowed on man …
Virginia 1776, Bill of Rights, XVI … Religion, or the Duty which we owe
our Creator . can be directed only by Reason … and that it is the mutual
duty
of all to practice Christian Forbearance, Love and Charity towards each
other
…
Washington 1889, Preamble. We the People of the State of Washington,
grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain
this
Constitution .
West Virginia 1872, Preamble. Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the
blessings of civil, political and religious liberty, we, the people of West
Virginia .. reaffirm our faith in and constant reliance upon God .
Wisconsin 1848, Preamble. We, the people of Wisconsin, grateful to Almighty
God for our freedom, domestic tranquility
Wyoming 1890, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Wyoming, grateful to
God for our civil, political, and religious liberties … establish this
Constitution .
“Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants.”
William Penn
Fuck God!
That pretty well sums up the dem stand on things doesn’t it.
That’s why you will NEVER be a majority again.
“Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants.”
William Penn
Commentby Mr. Cynical— 3/20/06@ 5:14 pm
That is quite an accomplish Mr. Cynical I wish I thought of that myself.
Those who will be ruled by NeoCons will be left broke, beaten and deeply in debt.
– Donnageddon
@ 75 “That is quite an accomplish Mr. Cynical I wish I thought of that myself.”
Ah, Klake, you can always find a Nazi publication that will support crazy ideas like “More Blacks and Indians owned slaves than white people did”!
Klake, your cover is blown. It really doesn;t matter that you used a Nazi publication… it is that you actually thought an absurd idea like “More Blacks and Indians owned slaves than white people did” that makes you completely useless.
No person that actually accepted the idea that “More Blacks and Indians owned slaves than white people did” has anything to say that anyone but other NeoCons want to hear.
Scat!, and take your “More Blacks and Indians owned slave than white people did” beliefs with you!
Oh, and take Richard Pope (You official apologist!) with you.
“Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants.”
William Penn
that description seems like the road map the Chimp and Thief is using to destroy our country. I guess he is our ‘Tyrant’
If the NeoCONS ever practiced what they preach and lived by their words, it would be a completely differnt story. Hey MTR wingnut, pay your debts looser!
Read the 50 State Constitution Preambles again A$$holes!
America’s founders did not intend for there to be a separation of God and state, as shown by the fact that all 50 states acknowledge God in their state constitutions:
Alabama 1901, Preamble. We the people of the State of Alabama, invoking the
favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following
Constitution ..
Alaska 1956, Preamble. We, the people of Alaska, grateful to God and to
those who founded our nation and pioneered this great land ..
Arizona 1911, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Arizona, grateful to
Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution…
Arkansas 1874, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Arkansas, grateful
to Almighty God for the privilege of choosing our own form of government…
California 1879, Preamble. We, the People of the State of California,
grateful to Almighty God for our freedom .
Colorado 1876, Preamble. We, the people of Colorado, with profound reverence
for the Supreme Ruler of Universe .
Connecticut 1818, Preamble. The People of Connecticut, acknowledging with
gratitude the good Providence of God in permitting them to enjoy …
Delaware 1897, Preamble. Through Divine Goodness all men have, by nature,
the rights of worshipping and serving their Creator according to the
dictates
of
their consciences .
Florida 1845, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Florida, grateful to
Almighty God for our constitutional liberty … establish this
Constitution…
Georgia 1777, Preamble. We, the people of Georgia, relying upon protection
and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution…
Hawaii 1959, Preamble. We, the people of Hawaii, Grateful for Divine
Guidance . establish this Constitution
Idaho 1889, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Idaho, grateful to
Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings ..
Illinois 1870, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Illinois, grateful
to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberty which He hath
so
long permitted us to enjoy and looking to Him for a blessing on our
endeavors
.
Indiana 1851, Preamble. We, the People of the State of Indiana, grateful to
Almighty God for the free exercise of the right to chose our form of
government
..
Iowa 1857, Preamble. We, the People of the State of Iowa, grateful to the
Supreme Being for the blessings hitherto enjoyed, and feeling our dependence
on Him for a continuation of these blessings … establish this Constitution
Kansas 1859, Preamble. We, the people of Kansas, grateful to Almighty God
for our civil and religious privileges . establish this Constitution.
Kentucky 1891, Preamble. We, the people of the Commonwealth of grateful to
Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties…
Louisiana 1921, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Louisiana, grateful
to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties we enjoy ..
Maine 1820, Preamble. We the People of Maine .. acknowledging with grateful
hearts the goodness of the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe in affording us
an opportunity … and imploring His aid and direction
Maryland 1776, Preamble. We, the people of the state of Maryland, grateful
to Almighty God or our civil and religious liberty…
Massachusetts 1780, Preamble. We…the people of Massachusetts,
acknowledging with grateful hearts, the goodness of the Great Legislator of
the
Universe…in the course of His Providence, an opportunity and devoutly
imploring His
direction …
Michigan 1908, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Michigan, grateful
to Almighty God for the blessings of freedom … establish this Constitution
Minnesota, 1857, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Minnesota,
grateful to God for our civil and religious liberty, and desiring to
perpetuate
its
blessings
Mississippi 1890, Preamble. We, the people of Mississippi in convention
assembled, grateful to Almighty God, and invoking His blessing on our work.
Missouri 1845, Preamble. We, the people of Missouri, with profound reverence
for the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, and grateful for His goodness ..
establish this Constitution ..
Montana 1889, Preamble. We, the people of Montana, grateful to Almighty God
for the blessings of liberty establish this Constitution ..
Nebraska 1875, Preamble. We, the people, grateful to Almighty God for our
freedom .. establish this Constitution
Nevada 1864, Preamble. We the people of the State of Nevada, grateful to
Almighty God for our freedom . establish this Constitution ..
New Hampshire 1792, Part I. Art. I. Sec. V. Every individual has a natural
and unalienable right to worship God according to the dictates of his own
conscience .
New Jersey 1844, Preamble. We, the people of the State of New Jersey,
grateful to Almighty God for civil and religious liberty which He hath so
long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing on our
endeavors
.
New Mexico 1911, Preamble. We, the People of New Mexico, grateful to
Almighty God for the blessings of liberty ..
New York 1846, Preamble. We, the people of the State of New York, grateful
to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure its blessings .
North Carolina 1868, Preamble. We the people of the State of North Carolina,
grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for our civil,
political, and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon
Him for the continuance of those
North Dakota 1889, Preamble. We, the people of North Dakota, grateful to
Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, do ordain…
Ohio 1852, Preamble. We the people of the state of Ohio, grateful to
Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings and to promote our
common
..
Oklahoma 1907, Preamble. Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order to
secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty … establish this
Oregon 1857, Bill of Rights, Article I. Section 2. All men shall be secure
in the Natural right, to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of
their consciences .
Pennsylvania 1776, Preamble. We, the people of Pennsylvania, grateful to
Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly
invoking His guidance
Rhode Island 1842, Preamble. We the People of the State of Rhode Island
grateful to Almighty God for the civil and religious liberty which He hath
so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing
South Carolina, 1778, Preamble. We, the people of the State of South
Carolina grateful to God for our liberties, do ordain and establish this
Constitution
South Dakota 1889, Preamble. We, the people of South Dakota, grateful to
Almighty God for our civil and religious liberties . establish this
Tennessee 1796, Art. XI.III. That all men have a natural and indefeasible
right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their
conscience…
Texas 1845, Preamble. We the People of the Republic of Texas, acknowledging,
with gratitude, the grace and beneficence of God
Utah 1896, Preamble. Grateful to Almighty God for life and liberty, we
establish this Constitution .
Vermont 1777, Preamble. Whereas all government ought to … enable the
individuals who compose it to enjoy their natural rights, and other
blessings which the Author of Existence has bestowed on man …
Virginia 1776, Bill of Rights, XVI … Religion, or the Duty which we owe
our Creator . can be directed only by Reason … and that it is the mutual
duty
of all to practice Christian Forbearance, Love and Charity towards each
other
…
Washington 1889, Preamble. We the People of the State of Washington,
grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain
this
Constitution .
West Virginia 1872, Preamble. Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the
blessings of civil, political and religious liberty, we, the people of West
Virginia .. reaffirm our faith in and constant reliance upon God .
Wisconsin 1848, Preamble. We, the people of Wisconsin, grateful to Almighty
God for our freedom, domestic tranquility
Wyoming 1890, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Wyoming, grateful to
God for our civil, political, and religious liberties … establish this
Constitution .
“Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants.”
William Penn
So you LEFTIST PINHEADED KLOWNS are going to come up with some lame-ass conspiracy that over 160 or so years ALL 50 STATES conspired (with the help of Karl Rove) to write these Constitution Preambles.
OR….maybe God suddenly disappeared!!!!
That must be it.
LENIN’S USEFUL IDIOT’S—
Long on nonsense…short on common sense.
Hey, the Koufax finalists have been announced.
And guess what…Goldy is up for Best Local Blog. Vote by leaving a comment in the comment thread.
Hey Righties, consider casting a vote for Goldy. A liberal blog is going to win anyway, so it might as well be the blog that you read/comment on.
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Explain to us again how state constitutions supercede the federal constitution.
Roger and Gang what say you?
http://www.newsmax.com/archive.....shtml?s=et
Cheney: Don’t Listen to Kennedy
Sen. Ted Kennedy is the last person to listen to in matters of national security, Vice President Dick Cheney said Sunday.
Appearing on CBS’ “Face the Nation,” Cheney responded to host Bob Schieffer’s remark that Kennedy, D-Mass., had said on the third anniversary of the Iraq war: “It is clearer than ever that Iraq was a war that we never should have fought. The administration has been dangerously incompetent and its Iraq policy is not worthy of the sacrifice of our men and women in uniform.
“President Bush continues to see the war through the same rose colored glasses he’s always used. He assures the American people we are winning while the lives of our troops hang so perilously on the precipice of a new disaster.”
Said Cheney: “I would not listen to Ted Kennedy for guidance and leadership on how we ought to manage national security. I think what Senator Kennedy reflects is sort of the pre-9/11 mentality about how we ought to deal with that part of the world. We used to operate on the assumption before 9/11 that a terrorist attack, a criminal act, was a law enforcement problem.
“We were hit repeatedly in the ’90s and never responded effectively. When the terrorists came to believe not only could they strike us with impunity but if they hit us hard enough that we’d change our policy.”
Dr. E do you cover this type info in Evergreen College?
http://www.newsmaxstore.com/nm.....ode=1CE6-1
Members of the liberal left exude an air of moral certitude. They pride themselves on being selflessly committed to the highest ideas and seem particularly confident of the purity of their motives and the evil nature of their opponents. To correct economic and social injustice, liberals support a whole litany of policies and principles: progressive taxes, affirmative action, greater regulation of corporations, raising the inheritance tax, strict environmental regulations, children’s rights, consumer rights, and much, much more.
But do they actually live by these beliefs? Peter Schweizer decided to investigate in depth the private lives of some prominent liberals: Politicians like Ted Kennedy and other Kennedys, Bill and Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, and Ralph Nader; commentators like Michael Moore, Al Franken, Noam Chomsky, and Cornel West: entertainers and philanthropists like Barbara Streisand and George Soros. Using everything from real estate transactions, IRS records, court depositions, and their own public statements, he sought to examine whether they really live by the principles they so confidently advocate.
GBS THE NAVY FAILURE.YOUR A FUCKING IDIOT.TELL ME HOW GREAT IT WAS UNDER JIMMY CARTER.NOW THERE IS A REAL LOSER.GO AHEAD AND DEFEND THAT SHIT HEAD.13% INTEREST RATES.BOY WISH WE HAD HIM BACK LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSER.
GBS WHY DONT YOU SHOW US YOUR DD214 SO WE CAN SEE YOUR REENLISTMENT CODE.ILL BET ITS NOT GOOD.TELL US AGAIN HOW THE THE MARINE GOT A LETTER THAT WAS GOING TO END HIS SERVICE AND YOU GOT A CAPTAINS MAST I NEVER GET TIRED OF HEARING IT.FUCKIN LIER.BUT WERE ALL BETTER OFF THAT THEY BOOTED A SCUMBAG LIKE YOU THATS THE POSITIVE THING.PS HOWS IT GOING AT BURGER KING.
Klake @ 84
‘“I would not listen to Ted Kennedy for guidance and leadership on how we ought to manage national security. I think what Senator Kennedy reflects is sort of the pre-9/11 mentality about how we ought to deal with that part of the world….”‘
Wahhhhh, haaaaa, haaaa, haaaa, haaa. Like fucking Cheney has done anything right since 9/11. Name ONE thing that BushCheney has succeeded in since 9/11. Everything, I mean EVERYTHING BushCheney has done sine 9/11 has been a comeplete unmittigated fucking disaster.
God…I wish Cheney would do some hunting with a handgun.Klake @ 84
‘“I would not listen to Ted Kennedy for guidance and leadership on how we ought to manage national security. I think what Senator Kennedy reflects is sort of the pre-9/11 mentality about how we ought to deal with that part of the world….”‘
Wahhhhh, haaaaa, haaaa, haaaa, haaa. Like fucking Cheney has done anything right since 9/11. Everything, I mean EVERYTHING BushCheney has done sine 9/11 has been a complete unmitigated fucking disaster.
God…I wish Cheney would do some “big-time” hunting with a fucking handgun.
Hey, YO…are you developmentally disabled? Just curious. I mean, it would explain why your writing skills scarcely exceed those of a monkey.
A really ignorant jackASS in Post #73 said:
“Fuck God! – Commentby LauraBushKilledAGuy— 3/20/06@ 5:26 pm
I see the fires of hell in your future! Your buddy Satan is waiting for you! Be sure to find Donnageddon the atheist while you are taking residence!
Cynical: Isn’t Hilary Clinton, Howard Dean, Dennis Kucinich, John F. Kerry (JFK for cougar), all up for the tyrant of the year award as presented by the DNCC?
Maxine Waters/ Tookie Williams 2008!! We will clean upo on the black and dead vote!!!!!!!!! A huge ticket in Gary, Detroit, and East St. Louis!!!!!!!!!!
Commentby For the Clueless— 3/20/06@ 1:30 pm
“To Conservative First: a while back you asked me if I really thought the Bushies were installing a theocracy.
Well, Kevin Phillips, more or less thinks so.”
I haven’t read the book but the editorial review seems to dispute your claim.
“The title of political analyst Phillips’s latest book may overstate his case (in the text, he prefers the term “theocratic direction”), but his analysis likely will strike chords among those troubled by our current political moment.”
I guess you can’t judge a book by it’s cover.
What gay Democrat doesn’t dream of a little anal “Tookie” love with Mr. Williams????? So much love!!! So much ripping of the lower intestine!!! And so much AIDS and HIV!!!! This must be Bush’s fault!!!!!!! [hehe]
Hey Horseless Looselips: Why aren’t you leading the charge to have the FUWA constitution modified so these words: “We the People of the State of Washington, grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain this
Constitution…” to: “We the People of the State of Washington,
grateful to no one for our liberties, do ordain this
Constitution…”
Since the Separation of Church and State is your big mantra; don’t you need to lead the charge for change?
Fuck you and your ilk, Libertarian! Go crawl back into the slimy worm hole you slithered out of.
Commentby Roger Rabbit— 3/20/06@ 4:50 pm
How cute, Roger. Actually, the assets I was thinking of would be the enormous holdings on raw land the US government holds. The idea is to sell the land and use the funds to buy immediate annuities from insurance companies for current retirees. Younger workers could opt out of the current system and start building their retirements without having the government involved.
Eventually, people would have total control and total responsibility for their retirements. What a concept! Personal control, personal responsibility. Why is it that the Neo-socialists don’t like that?
Roger Rabbit baby picture, cute?
http://video.google.com/videop.....3695080058
Eventually, people would have total control and total responsibility for their retirements. What a concept! Personal control, personal responsibility. Why is it that the Neo-socialists don’t like that?
Commentby Libertarian— 3/21/06@ 7:39 am
Libertarian Great Idea lets start in Seattle with the vacant properties that the city, county and the state own that draws no tax revenues. The reason they the Socialist Democrats can only survive is making everyone dependent on them for all their survival. You know the Jessie Jackson rainbow push way of making money. The Robin Hood scam that the Communist and Socialist Democrats use to control the masses, rob from the middle class, give ten percent to the poor, and keep the remainder for themselves. Their way of doing things destroys their self-esteem.
Roger and Gang they found Bin Laden this file seems to support that.
http://video.google.com/videop.....2552488045
Mr Cynical @ 71:
I’m sorry that I so easily confused you by quoting another poster on this blog. I should’ve known that incorporating another poster’s quote that you would’ve become “very confused.” My bad. I’ll need to keep in mind that when I’m communicating with a conservative that I need to “dumb it down” and use bumper sticker style, two-word slogans to prevent your confusion.
OK, so to answer the question that you were either unable or unwilling to answer I’ll lay the words out for you:
Ordain:
Definitions:
1. make religious appointment: to appoint somebody officially as a priest, minister, or rabbi
2. command formally: to order or establish something formally, especially by law or by some other authority
laws of commercial transactions that had long been ordained by the government.
“We the people” “do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”
The Constitution calls on no higher power than “We the People,” that is the necessary and sufficient legal basis.
The The Barbary Treaties Article 11 states:
As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/ava......htm#art11
This treaty was passed unanimously in the United States Senate, which was only the 339th time the Senate had ever taken a vote and only the THIRD time the Senate had voted unanimously.
There is NO record of descent in the Congressional records. The treaty was reprinted in three major newspapers of the day. Two in Philadelphia and one in New York. There is no public record of public outcry either.
._._.
See, I’ve connected the dots for you. The People, not the clergy or any established religion formally established the government and laws of this nation. Period.
This government, despite any state preambles you’ve quoted, is set up being neutral from religion.
Mark The Redneck is their anything you can add to this gene pool and who would it be that would enhance the product?
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Mr. Cynical @ 50 wrote:
“Read the 50 State Constitution Preambles again A$$holes!
America’s founders did not intend for there to be a separation of God and state. . . ”
Thomas Jefferson disagrees with your erroneous statement above. Fortunately for us, he addressed these matters in WRITING for all of us to read and learn from. You should try it, Mr. Cynical, reading our founding father’s writings, that is. You may find it enlightening.
Most people are familiar with Jefferson’s letter to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802, however, most people are not familiar with the letter that was sent to Jefferson that elicited his response.
Have you ever read that letter?
Probably not.
So, I’ll print the Danbury Baptist Association letter first, then Jefferson’s response. If you’re an honest man, you’ll concede the point of fact stated by one of our founding fathers who penned the Constitution, and 3rd President of the United States of America.
Connecticut, assembled October 7, 1801. To Thomas Jefferson,
Esq., President of the United States of America.
Sir,
Among the many million in America and Europe who rejoice in your
election to office; we embrace the first opportunity which we
have enjoyed in our collective capacity, since your inauguration,
to express our great satisfaction, in your appointment to the
chief magistracy in the United States: And though our mode of
expression may be less courtly and pompous than what many others
clothe their addresses with, we beg you, sir, to believe that
none are more sincere.
Our sentiments are uniformly on the side of religious
liberty–that religion is at all times and places a matter
between God and individuals–that no man ought to suffer in name,
person, or effects on account of his religious opinions–that the
legitimate power of civil government extends no further than to
punish the man who works ill to his neighbors; But, sir, our
constitution of government is not specific. Our ancient charter
together with the law made coincident therewith, were adopted as
the basis of our government, at the time of our revolution; and
such had been our laws and usages, and such still are; that
religion is considered as the first object of legislation; and
therefore what religious privileges we enjoy (as a minor part of
the state) we enjoy as favors granted, and not as inalienable
rights; and these favors we receive at the expense of such
degrading acknowledgements as are inconsistent with the rights of
freemen. It is not to be wondered at therefore; if those who seek
after power and gain under the pretense of government and
religion should reproach their fellow men–should reproach their
order magistrate, as a enemy of religion, law, and good order,
because he will not, dare not, assume the prerogatives of Jehovah
and make laws to govern the kingdom of Christ.
Sir, we are sensible that the president of the United States is
not the national legislator, and also sensible that the national
government cannot destroy the laws of each state; but our hopes
are strong that the sentiments of our beloved president, which
have had such genial effect already, like the radiant beams of
the sun, will shine and prevail through all these states and all
the world, till hierarchy and tyranny be destroyed from the
earth. Sir, when we reflect on your past services, and see a glow
of philanthropy and good will shining forth in a course of more
than thirty years we have reason to believe that America’s God
has raised you up to fill the chair of state out of that goodwill
which he bears to the millions which you preside over. May God
strengthen you for your arduous task which providence and the
voice of the people have called you to sustain and support you
enjoy administration against all the predetermined opposition of
those who wish to raise to wealth and importance on the poverty
and subjection of the people.
And may the Lord preserve you safe from every evil and bring you
at last to his heavenly kingdom through Jesus Christ our Glorious
Mediator.
Signed in behalf of the association, Nehemiah Dodge
Ephraim Robbins
Stephen S. Nelson
Thomas Jefferson wrote in reply:
Mr. President
To messers Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.
Gentlemen
The affectionate sentiments of esteem & approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful & zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, and in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more & more pleasing.
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man & his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state. [Congress thus inhibited from acts respecting religion, and the Executive authorised only to execute their acts, I have refrained from presenting even occasional performances of devotion presented indeed legally where an Executive is the legal head of a national church, but subject here, as religious exercises only to the voluntary regulations and discipline of each respective sect.] Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.
I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessing of the common Father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves and your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.
(signed) Thomas Jefferson
Jan.1.1802.
The common Father and creator of man is significant here, because if you read your history regarding our founding fathers, you would know that Thomas Jefferson rejected Christianity and Jesus Christ in favor of Deistism. A belief in a supreme being that created the universe, earth, and man, but not in belief that Jesus Christ was the son of God as prescribed in the New Testament.
There you go, Mr. Cynical. Separation of church and state, government should reach action only, and not OPINIONS. Funny how they regarded religion as an OPINION.
Everyone is entitled to their OPINIONS, but it is expressly forbidden in the Constitution that your religious OPINIONS should become the law of the land.
Mr Cynical, instead of just copying and pasting things you glean from the internet, you should take some time to read the quotes fully.
For example you copy and pasted:
Virginia 1776, Bill of Rights, XVI … Religion, or the Duty which we owe
our Creator . can be directed only by Reason … and that it is the mutual
duty
of all to practice Christian Forbearance, Love and Charity towards each
other
…
Here is what if states in full.
XVI. That religion, or the duty which we owe to our Creator, and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence, and therefore all men are equally entitled to the free exercise of religion, according to the dictates of conscience; and that it is the mutual duty of all to practise Christian forbearance, love, and charity towards each other.
See, your quote misleads people. It’s like Al Franken said in his book Lies and the Lying Liars who tell them, a fair and balanced look at the right and how conservatives lie with endnotes and ellipsis.
See, in that bill of rights it says discharging your religious duties cannot be done by force, whether by physical means or compelled by LAW, and that it must be dictated by the conscience of the person, not the state to dictate how it will be practiced. The last sentence is in no way a compulsory command to be a Christian. It merely states that people living together in society ought to be good to each other . . . forbearance, or patience, love and charity is by no means is limited to Christianity.
As Thomas Paine wrote in his book The Age of Reason:
When Moses told the children of Israel that he received the two tables of the commandments from the hands of God, they were not obliged to believe him, because they had no other authority for it than his telling them so; and I have no other authority for it than some historian telling me so. The commandments carry no internal evidence of divinity with them; they contain some good moral precepts, such as any man qualified to be a lawgiver, or a legislator, could produce himself, without having recourse to supernatural intervention.
Senator Moynihan once said that everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not their own facts. The facts are there is a separation between church and state in this country. The creation of law and governance in this country find their power and legal basis in The People and nothing else.
You may have your opinions regarding religion, but the fact remains this government is neutral on religion.
Mr. Cynical:
Answer this question. If this country was founded on Christianity, how did the first continental congress observe Christmas?
When did Christmas become a federally recognized holiday?
GBS – I think the federal government declared Christmas an official federal holiday after the Civil War, but I don’t know exactly what year this was enacted.
Washington State Constitution
http://www.leg.wa.gov/pub/othe.....TUTION.htm
“No public money or property shall be appropriated for or applied to any religious worship, exercise or instruction, or the support of any religious establishment: PROVIDED, HOWEVER, That this article shall not be so construed as to forbid the employment by the state of a chaplain for such of the state custodial, correctional, and mental institutions, or by a county’s or public hospital district’s hospital, health care facility, or hospice, as in the discretion of the legislature may seem justified. No religious qualification shall be required for any public office or employment, nor shall any person be incompetent as a witness or juror, in consequence of his opinion on matters of religion, nor be questioned in any court of justice touching his religious belief to affect the weight of his testimony. ”
and also:
“That perfect toleration of religious sentiment shall be secured and that no inhabitant of this state shall ever be molested in person or property on account of his or her mode of religious worship…Provision shall be made for the establishment and maintenance of systems of public schools free from sectarian control which shall be open to all the children of said state.”
It is one thing for the group of white males creating our state Constitution to recognize their commonly held belief in a creator, and quite another, apparently for them to codify their unique religious sectarian views into law. This our State founders explicitly did NOT do, and they explicitly DID forbid anyone else from doing it.
Libertarian:
Re: ss=Ponzi scheme, I would say a few things.
One, Old-age and Survivor’s Insurance (OASI) benefit payments (usually lumped togehter with Disability Insurance: DI) are projected to level off as a percentage of GDP after rising from 4.3% now to about 6.4% throughout the fifty years from 2030-2080. Don’t beleive me, believe Treasury Secretary John Snow and the SSA (http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/TRSUM/images/ChartB.gif). A so-called “Ponzi scheme” would rise exponentially, would it not?
Here’s how the SSA addresses your charge, AND calls you superficial:
“There is a superficial analogy between pyramid or Ponzi schemes and pay-as-you-go insurance programs in that in both money from later participants goes to pay the benefits of earlier participants. But that is where the similarity ends. A pay-as-you-go system can be visualized as a simple pipeline, with money from current contributors coming in the front end and money to current beneficiaries paid out the back end. So we could [imagine] that at any given time there might be, say, 40 million people receiving benefits at the back end of the pipeline; and as long as we had 40 million people paying taxes in the front end of the pipe, the program could be sustained forever. It does not require a doubling of participants every time a payment is made to a current beneficiary. (There does not have to be precisely the same number of workers and beneficiaries at a given time–there just needs to be a stable relationship between the two.) As long as the amount of money coming in the front end of the pipe maintains a rough balance with the money paid out, the system can continue forever. There is no unsustainable progression driving the mechanism of a pay-as-you-go pension system and so it is not a pyramid or Ponzi scheme.
…
If the demographics of the population were stable, then a pay-as-you-go system would not have demographically-driven financing ups and downs and no thoughtful person would be tempted to compare it to a Ponzi arrangement. However, since population demographics tend to rise and fall, the balance in pay-as-you-go systems tends to rise and fall as well. During periods when more new participants are entering the system than are receiving benefits there tends to be a surplus in funding (as in the early years of Social Security). During periods when beneficiaries are growing faster than new entrants (as will happen when the baby boomers retire), there tends to be a deficit. This vulnerability to demographic ups and downs is one of the problems with pay-as-you-go financing. But this problem has nothing to do with Ponzi schemes, or any other fraudulent form of financing, it is simply the nature of pay-as-you-go systems.”
And, of course, the Trustees of the Social Security system are projecting absurdly low economic growth rates, about half the long-term average, even though proponents of privatization (you, right, with your blather about “young people investing”?) assume that the stock market would continue to return its historical average.
Lbertarian:
“Anyone who set-up a private or non-federal government retirement plan that ran like social security would be doing hard time for fraud.”
No what we have is a system that has been in existence longer than most of corporate America, that has paid a guaranteed benefit to our elderly for seventy years without fail, whose annual costs run about 1.5%, and that is most likely the most stable and successful social insurance (NOT investment) program in the history of the world.
Regarding so-called “double taxation” of Social Security benefits, I have two main comments:
1. I think it would be a good idea to raise the income threshhold at which the tax kicks in, and probably index it to inflation. This would avoid “bracket creep.” Personally, I support the idea of taxing the SS benefits of those who make a large non-SS income. Don’t you?
2. The Republican-majority Congress has had the chance to change, reduce, or eliminate this tax every year since 1994. Bills to do so were introduced in 1998 and 2003. I think your beef is with THEM.
Daddy Love,
Here’s the deal with social security. If I was a pension plan administrator/actuary that tried to run a pension plan like social security is run, I’d be in jail before long. It is an actuarily unsound plan. The reason the federal gvoernment can get away with this program is that the payments are chickenfeed and THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN PRINT MONEY!
Look, all I want is choice and responsibility. There is a portion of the FICA tax that provides survivors’ benefits and a portion that provides disability benefits. Those aspects operate under the insurance principal – spreading risk over a large group of people. I have no problem with the insurance aspect of these programs. I do believe, however, that the retirement aspect of social security should allow for individual choice and responsibility.
If folks want to have those retirement funds invested in assets of their choosing, then they should be allowed to do so. If they choose to stay with the current system, then fine. In any event, it’s their choice and their repsonsibility. I don’t understand why the left and Democrats (in particular) have such a problem with personal choice and personal responsibility.
Another problem with the current system is ownership: nobody really has an ownership stake in the assets. They have no control. My dad died at 61 and 10 months. Guess what? He got nothing for 40 years of inputs into SS. My mom got 17 months from SS before she died suddenly. Do you think she recouped her inputs into the system? Absolutely not! As a matter of fact, since she died on March 1, 1991, her estate didn’t even get the March SS check! It seems you have to live at least until the third day of the month to qualify.
Daddy Love, I have heartburn with this system: no choice, no responsibility, and no ownership. How about a little freedom of choice here? Let those that wish to stay in the system do so, and let those that do not have control of their social security retirement.
Mr. Cynical:
Well, the “debate” with you has been revealing to say the least. I’ve asked extremely pointed questions of you, Mr. Cynical, and conservatives in general, about the SPECIFIC language used in the Constitution.
The end result? They avoided giving the very pointed and specific answers dictated by the questions. There are only two conclusions that I can come to as to why answering the questions with facts were avoided.
1) My first opinion is that they lack the knowledge base to answer the questions posed. In order to answer those kinds of pointed questions about the Constitution, it would require that the respondent to have spent some time reading and studying factually accurate books on the subject on the formation of the Constitutions and the political debates surrounding it. You’d also have to have an understanding of the Articles of Confederation and how the transition from the Articles of Confederation to the Constitution had inherent legal contradistinctions. It would also require you to understand the thinking of the era regarding religion and politics and how very different it is today. Whether or not our founding fathers were Christian or Deists or something else, none of them wanted an interaction between religion and government. A “wall of separation between church and state,” if you will.
Or, the other reason:
2) To answer the questions with truthfulness and fact would degrade their position in the debate, forcing them to acquiesce to the correct thinking of the political left. What reason would someone shun the truth in favor of their own ideological political beliefs? The answers can be found in the 7 Deadly Sins: Greed, Gluttony, Envy, Sloth, Lust, Wrath, and PRIDE. Especially, PRIDE. So full of PRIDE that you WILL NOT change your position, even though the facts of the matter are contrary to your beliefs.
Mr. Cynical asked this question of me: “So GBS, you take these things oh so seriously that what you are doing about it is Blogging?? That you are wasting time and space in a petty argument with JCH???”
First of all, Mr. Cynical, you may consider lying as a “petty argument,” but I see it as a far more serious matter. Particularly, when someone like JCH blatantly lies, and in so doing tries to make me out as the LIAR. I do take exception to the “politics of personal destruction.” Why should I stand idly by while JCH tries to convince others that I’m the LIAR, when clearly he is the culprit?
Secondly, Mr. Cynical, when you are directly challenged to an intellectual debate you resort to the same, worn out, boring playbook: cut and paste from right-wing websites and dumb it down to hurling insults. When you can match the challenge of elevated debate and enter the arena of ideas, let me know, I’ll be more than willing to take you on. In the meantime, I’ll just continue having my fun and that is exposing the lies and the lying liars who tell them.