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We should thank Bush for completely destroying the Republiconvict Party.
Kinda like alcoholism. You don’t get treatment until it gets reeeeeeal bad.
Now Bush, you lying scum, send you daughters to Iraq. We got Hummers that need gunners…..
Yeah right.
The Brits send “Royalty” into battle. Prince Harry didn’t get his daddy to call his buddies and get him a spot in the “Champagne Unit” like your pathetic ass.
Your father was a decorated hero, I think. You must make him sick to his stomach.
Sorry papa Bush. Little Georgie couldn’t help his privileged self. He has never ever been held accountable for anything. No rich Saudis gonna bail his ass out of this one……
I can smell the War Crimes Tribunals.
If more journalists were as fearless as Olbermann, perhaps we wouldn’t have invaded Iraq.
Rumsfeld was on the tube the other day. His known, known as it were, was that Bush is a victim of success. Since there’s been no attack since 9/11 the country has fallen into complacency. What the country needs, he said, and this is his unknown, unknowable is another attack to set us straight in our thinking.
Olbermann is a buffoon, and that is being kind. As long as y’all on the left give credence to non-entities like this, your complaints about “Faux News” supposed bias are groundless.
And don’t even bother with “commentator versus journalist” arguments, please.
@5: Wholeheartedly agree…
Progressive Patriots community has chosen House challenger Ashwin Madia of Minnesota as our second ‘Progressive Patriot’ of 2008
So I-Burn. Bush was completely honest in the run up to the war? Didn’t twist the intelligence? Didn’t silence dissenting voices? Didn’t attack anyone wanting proof of WMD’s before we started murdering innocent Iraqis? (the list of crimes goes on, and on, and on)
I personally watched Cheney say Saddam could have a nuclear bomb in as little as 6 months. This is of course after he was told Saddam had no nuclear weapons program on numerous documented occasions.
Olbermann speaks the truth. The truth is what the Republiconvicts hate the most.
Now tell me. What did Olbermann lie about?
(crickets chirping)
I just love how right wingers want to support dishonest, corrupt, constitution burning, war criminals, and attack the people in the media that try to tell us what “they” are doing to us, or behind our backs. (See Joe Wilson)
All Facts Support My Positions
Go ahead and defend Bush. I dare you.
Calling Keith Olbermann names does not make what he reports any less factual. I feel sorry for Keith, having to go on TV every night, and report the endless attacks on our constitution, and out people by the Bush Crime Family, and their wealthy friends. I couldn’t handle it.
Now if the rest of the corporate owned media, including the Faux Propaganda Network started actually reporting news, some folks might wake up. Just the other day I watched Hannity tell his viewers that we did find WMD’s in Iraq. I am sure all the under 30 IQ viewers of his show were drooling on themselves in agreement.
So Puddy. You think that when a president lies to the American People over, and over, and over, the journalists are supposed to just agree with him, cover for him, and back him up right? They are supposed to basically help him destroy everything our founding fathers fought, and died for right? Screw democracy, and the constitution right?
Keith Olbermann does not agree…..
Some people accept they are being lied to, and some hate being lied to. What side of the fence are you on? I bet I could guess!
The best part of being a liberal, is the fact that all the facts, and reality for that matter, are on my side 100%.
When the righties hear the real news, like on the Olbermann Show, they get their panties all in a bunch. They can’t handle it. All that horse manure between their ears keeps going error, error, error….. Then they start looking around for someone to attack, belittle, or call bad names.
Thank god my ideology is based on reality, instead of lies, fraud, and greed.
Keith’s Special Comments are what all Americans should feel. Anger. That is only “if” they loved their country.
@6: I-burn
Unfortunately, you and the rest of the clueless idiots (to borrow a phrase from somewhere) were perfectly happy to accept the “intelligence” that Sadaam was a threat to the USA. He WAS NEVER a THREAT. He had no missiles capable of reaching the US, he had no WMDs he had no nuclear program. Instead, bush, cheney, Addington and others cherry-picked the intelligence and led the nation into an unecessary war. All of the war cheerleading media went along with Bush – the only real heroes are the people who recognize the hypocrisy and lying that led us into an unecessary war. Any real thinking americans would be outraged by the needless loss in life, the needless cost in money and the needless loss of worldwide prestige and cooperation in the real fight against terrorism.
All the more reason to get out of the religious wars of the Middle East.
You may ask about Israel. Well, Israel can take care of itself. They don’t need the US.
FactlessInManyPositions: Tell me why did Russia, Saddam’s arms supplier and France his oil purchasing buddy both think he had a nuclear weapons program?
Why oh why do you forget these facts?
Oh teach, oh teach I know why…. Because FactlessInManyPositions is a lefty and they forget facts that don’t support their worthless positions…
Keith’s a sports guy with the IQ of a sports guy – hovering around 95. It takes no brains to interview brain dead football players. He’s no more informed as a political commentator than Sean Penn or Dennis Green are. Politics and civics are just as alien to Keith’s background and expertise as they are to the training of actors and singers. He should get the same (lack of) respect from intelligent people for his views as Brittany Spears does for hers. (Spears is probably smarter, actually).
If my PuddyMenory serves me right Italy, Czech Republic, Russia, Germany, France, Britian, Spain also thought he had a nuclear weapons program too.
Puddy also remembers a George Steponallofus interview of IAEA head Baradei where he stated in December 2002 he thought Saddam still had a program.
But again FactlessInManyPositions, don’t let facts blind your way into your blog entries…
The right wing turds hate Kieth because he carries truth, which is what amounts to garlic for a vampire. They run from it, ignore it, hide it, lie about it, twist it, distort it and detest it. They have an ideology – they don’t need facts or truth. But thankfully, at least one Democrat, Kieth, isn’t bowing down to the go along, get along wing of the party and calling it like it is. Kieth is a patriot. Bush is a traitor.
incorrectnevertobright: Can’t give credit where credit is due.
There is only on HA clueless idiot. But you are fast becoming one too.
Reminds me of CBS over a week ago didn’t want to give Operation Chaos credit to Limbaugh and said ti was a group of right-wing radio hosts when all RWRH said it was Limbaugh and ABC News said it was Limbaugh. That’s why when you post it’s very close to See BS!
Bybygoober who is Kieth?
Keith Olbermann carrying the truth?
You mean like this lie: “http://www.youtube.com/v/jpU1znOqOSs&rel=1&border=1”
Then we find out later Carville and Begala are working as volunteers for Heilary’s campaign.
How come Puddy knows where to find truth!!!!!
By the way – not that the inbred right will even watch it, but Kieth’s comment was the best so far. Maybe to match Bush’s sacrifice of his golf game, PiddlyDick and Marvy could stop their child porn operation until the war is over?
bybygoober maybe you mean this truth tidbit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxPkq8TCOJ8
Why would we do that bybygoober@19? You are our best download customer, right Marvin…?
Maybe this one bybygoober:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXCeyAWJAV8
Yeah, what #2 said.
14
K O’s education: Cornell University. Ivy League. For the record he has a background in both sports and news having been a weekend NBC Nightly News anchor. He also graduated from the prestigious Hackley School in Tarrytown.
Lots of brilliant men are versed in sports. George Will is as knowledgeable about baseball as he is about politics.
Knowledge of sports can be a component of being a well rounded individual. The only thing well rounded about you is the hole of your ass.
Think before you speak, dipwad.
By the way, care to enlighten us as to your education? Just what high school did you almost graduate from?
Another classic HA Moe-ron!
Republicans just lost Dennis Hastert’s seat in Congress, and Trent Lott’s seat.
Dave Reichert has to be shitting his tailored slacks.
@13: Because we told them so…and then we tried to twist the arms of every nation to vote with us – and we did NOT get the vote in the UN.
Quit trying to rewrite history according to Faux news – it ain’t so and it never was. Even if Sadam had nuclear weapons (which he clearly did NOT and which we knew) he had no way of delivering them – so all the mushroom cloud statements from Bush, Cheney and Rice were LIES!
“Panoramic deception.”
Just about sums up everything that the 29%ers “know” from Smirky McFlightsuit.
So hurry up, trolls, and donate lots o’ dough right quick. McSame needs yer help.
Here is the latest poll on bush – the dumbest and worst president ever:
12% strongly support Bush
51% strongly disagree with bush and the total unfavorable is 65%.
where does Puddy stand?
I am so glad Bush gave up golf because of the war – except a few months later he was playing golf anyways. Lies are just his way of communicating.
My understanding of what other nations “thought” before we illegally invaded and occupied Iraq is that Saddam Hussien probably had remaining stockpiles of “WMD,” and by that I mean chemical (gas, mostly) and biological agents to use as weapons. Experts in these countries know that these agents are volatile and relatively short-lived.
Pretty much no one thought Saddam had an active nuclear program, especially after the inspectors were on the ground in Iraq and found nothing, not a trace of any kind of agent, not a single precursor chemical, not single new-ish a chemical warhead (just the ones that were of Gulf War I vintage), not a tick of a Geiger counter, not a lump of fissile material, nothing.
Will John McCain finally face reality and embrace Baker-Hamilton and move toward winding-up the Iraq War?
OF COURSE NOT!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Daddy Love @ 25
“Republicans just lost Dennis Hastert’s seat in Congress, and Trent Lott’s seat.”
Actually, it was the House seat of Roger Wicker that was lost on Tuesday in Mississippi 1. Trent Lott resigned from the Senate to become a lobbyist, and the Republican governor of Mississippi appointed Wicker to the Senate.
The Mississippi governor set a special election for Wicker’s vacant House seat for April, and no candidate got a majority, so there was a runoff on Tuesday, that the Democrat won.
There will be a special election in November for the U.S. Senate seat. There will be no primary for this position, and all candidates will be on the ballot. If no one gets a majority, there should be a runoff three or four weeks later.
So sometime in November or December, the Republicans will lose Lott’s Senate seat :)
@11 You make the common mistake of confusing distaste for the messenger, as disbelief of the message.
Olbermann is an entertainer. Period. To believe that anything coming out of his mouth is more than simple verbal diarrhea, no matter the topic, is to ascribe an importance far beyond what such as he could ever hope to obtain on real merit.
Simply put, if KO were “reporting” on the second coming of Jesus Christ, he’d still be nothing more than an obnoxious asshole, who adds nothing to the market place of ideas.
If you had an ounce of honesty, you’d admit that the only reason that even your side doesn’t run the idiot out of town on a rail, is that he panders to your prejudices.
And on a related note: how many of you all that worship at the feet of KO, turn right around and self-righteously denounce Bill O’Reilly for his “right-wing bias”?
@29 “Experts in these countries know that these agents are volatile and relatively short-lived. ”
Experts know this, do they? Actually that happens to only pertain to expended munitions. Those in storage last considerably longer.
What do you suppose these “experts” say about the mustard gas shells that the odd French or Belgian farmer still turn up occasionally? “Oh, those can’t really exist. They’re almost a hundred years old. Don’t worry about it, just go on about your business…” Don’t think so. That shit is handled very carefully.
Chemical agents are effective for many years, DL. Ask the folks at Umatilla, if nothing else.
My, but the wing nuts are displaying an ever growing air of despiration. Like nervous hyenas eager for something to gang up on.
@15, where’s your data to back up those claims? One fact, above all others which led to the neocon war was Saddam’s pegging of Iraq’s oil sales to the Euro and dropping the dollar in 2001. That sealed his fate. If you start fucking with oilmen and banker’s profits, there will be blood.
Olbermann needs help it looks like his job may be on the line for poor ratings. He also needs anger management class
Olbermann is much more credible as a SportsCenter host than as an ideological commentator.
From way downtown….BANG!!!! sure beats the hell out of that stupid “worst persons of the world” bullshit. How is anyone supposed to take that shit seriously? On any given night, its a member of the Bush Administration or Bill O Reilly. Don’t strain yourself with your creativity there Keith.
I-burn: Except that Olbermann actually references facts, whereas O’Reilly has an aversion to facts but likes putting out inuendo and suppositions. Obviously, Olbermann is an entertainer – but he twists the knife into O’reilly precisely because that bag of wind pretends he is factual and “unbiased” – on that supposed fair and balanced network.
No the real problem here is that supposed mainstream media (aided and abetted by the idiot O’Reilly) IGNORED the facts on Iraq and did not question the war. They labeled anyone against the war as anti-american or pro-terrorist and Fox news and Dick Cheney were the primary culprits in trying to conflate 9/11, al qaida and Iraq – when there is NO connection – period. Olbermann is actually doing a journalistic favor by pointing out that the “emperor” – the news media and O’Reilly – have no clothes (or facts) and were complicit in ignoring the facts about Iraq and al qaida.
@36: Maybe because the Bush presidency has BEEN the worst ever?
Only 12% strongly support bush – my guess is that includes some of the non-reality based trolls on here.
In 1981, Israel bailed the US (and the world) out by obliterating the Nuke facility at Osirak.
Last year, Israel again saved our bacon (pun) by wiping out the Saddam-transferred Syrian facility.
So, that’s not once, but TWICE that Saddam’s nukes have been taken out. Thank God for Israel and GWB. You liberals wouldn’t have a platform to preach your ignorance if it wasn’t for the decent God-fearing Israelis and men like GWB!
Just pray that you never have to actually fight for your freedom.
Reuters reports this morning that Bernanke’s been flapping his gums about how the banks should be “actively seeking patient capital” i. e. selling more chunks of themselves off to the oil shieks to make sure they have enough cash on hand to cover their customers’ withdrawals. This of course carries the implication that they don’t have that at the moment.
What’s in your wallet????????
“Just pray that you never have to actually fight for your freedom.”
The fact that a far greater number of Democratic than Republican senators and congressional reps. spent their time in the military doesn’t really have an effect on your argument, obviously.
@40, Art, look up “Fractional Banking”.
Carl LeftFoot – I’m going to use your term:
incorrectnotright@26 – you moe-ron. WTF? Russia get’s their nuclear intelligence from the United States?
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slingshit@34: I posted this stuff on this website many times. Why do I need to prove to you you have no memory? I already know it. Search using GoldySearch or Goolge moe-ron.
Hint: read the senate report.
If the democrats didn’t parrot the words of someone they believed stole the 2000 election maybe we wouldn’t have invaded iraq.
Why do democrats refuse to admit their leaders also lied us into iraq?
@ 13
I don’t know. You tell me. Though, frankly, why they believed something to be true seems to be not at all germane to the question of whether or not it was actually true at the time.
It’s worth noting that no one disputes the notion that Saddam, at one time, had a nuclear weapons program. The question is the extent to which that program had become defunct as of early 2003. In that light, is there a better source than the UN weapons inspectors?
Oh, I do so enjoy exposing the Puddy Parade of Partial Punditry–particularly when the Parade is so caught up in chastising people because they’ve failed to mention trivia that’s not relevant to the central question as to forget what is and is not germane.
Personally, I think Kenneth Pollack had the best argument for ousting Saddam, based on the costs of an ongoing effort to prevent Saddam from ever restarting his nuclear weapons program, and even Pollack said, rather forcefully during the run up to the war, that March of 2003 was too early to launch the effort to unseat Saddam.
Of course, the Puddy Parade of Partial Punditry will never deign to discuss Pollack’s reasoning and/or evidence. The Puddy Parade of Partial Punditry only wants to talk about some of the facts. Not all of them.
Yeah I worry about Bush’s last bit in office…I can see him starting some crap with Iran right before he gets out of office.
What a buffoon Bush is.
45 Marvin, you’re absolutely right.
If Obama’s response today to Smirky’s “appeasement” speech in Israel is any indication, maybe that’s finally going to stop.
Can you list the republican politicians olby has had on his show?
How about a list of guests with opposing viewpoints.
Hating bush more or less than olby does not qualify as an opposing viewpoint.
I wonder if replays of the oreilly still beat the live showing of olby.
Do liberals ever wonder why air america and olby ALWAYS trail rush & oreilly in the ratings?
@ 48
“45 Marvin, you’re absolutely right.”
Actually, Marvin @ 45 is completely full of shit, and Art, I think you shouldn’t have a great deal of difficulty figuring out why.
Hint: in other comment threads, we’ve pretty much established that the comments on the web site that Marvin links were taken out of context in a way that significantly changes their meaning. Marvin, however, tends to forget such piddly details.
@ 49
Do liberals ever wonder why air america and olby ALWAYS trail rush & oreilly in the ratings?
No, I don’t wonder why this is true at all. All three of these guys are entertainers. There just happens to be some demographic differences in their target audiences.
What I do wonder is, why, when we ask you guys to refute Olbermann’s facts, you twits respond with stuff about ratings. Why the dodge?
“bag of wind”
is a good way to describe both Olbermann and O’Reilly. O’Reilly, from time-to-time, admits he’s as fucked-up as a football bat, whereas His Highness, Olbermann, thinks he’s got a discrete radio frequency with which to contact God for “guidance.” In short, he’s an arrogant ass just like O’Reilly. He just won’t admit it.
Did the words of bush really hurt that much?
Maybe obama should change his website to reflect his new position on meeting with the leaders of iraq, etc.
Maybe you could take a shot at explaining why hamas is hoping for obama to be president.
“discrete radio frequency with which to contact God for “guidance.”
That term applies to Rush Limbaugh, too.
Did you provide links to the unaltered youtube videos or the “real” transcript of their speeches? If so, I missed them, please post them again. Just saying they are out of context proves nothing. Hey, that mission accomplished banner was taken out of context.
Explain how this is taken out of context- (msnbc link so you know it speaks the truth)
EDWARDS: Are all the questions going to be that easy?
MATTHEWS: No. This is being shown in New York, Senator.
Let me, you just don’t like the word Yankee, do you, being from North Carolina?
We’re going to go-We’ve got to get serious, unfortunately. You’re running for president of the United States. You’re in your first term as a United States Senator from North Carolina.
Let me ask but the war, because I know these are all students and a lot of guys the age of these students are fighting over there and cleaning up over there, and they’re doing the occupation.
Were we right to go to this war alone, basically without the Europeans behind us? Was that something we had to do?
EDWARDS: I think that we were right to go. I think we were right to go to the United Nations. I think we couldn’t let those who could veto in the Security Council hold us hostage.
And I think Saddam Hussein, being gone is good. Good for the American people, good for the security of that region of the world, and good for the Iraqi people.
MATTHEWS: If you think the decision, which was made by the president, when basically he saw the French weren’t with us and the Germans and the Russians weren’t with us, was he right to say, “We’re going anyway”?
EDWARDS: I stand behind my support of that, yes.
MATTHEWS: You believe in that?
EDWARDS: Yes.
MATTHEWS: Let me ask you about-Since you did support the resolution and you did support that ultimate solution to go into combat and to take over that government and occupy that country. Do you think that you, as a United States Senator, got the straight story from the Bush administration on this war? On the need for the war? Did you get the straight story?
EDWARDS: Well, the first thing I should say is I take responsibility for my vote. Period. And I did what I did based upon a belief, Chris, that Saddam Hussein’s potential for getting nuclear capability was what created the threat. That was always the focus of my concern. Still is the focus of my concern.
So did I get misled? No. I didn’t get misled.
MATTHEWS: Did you get an honest reading on the intelligence?
EDWRADS: But now we’re getting to the second part of your question.
I think we have to get to the bottom of this. I think there’s clear inconsistency between what’s been found in Iraq and what we were told.
And as you know, I serve on the Senate Intelligence Committee. So it wasn’t just the Bush administration. I sat in meeting after meeting after meeting where we were told about the presence of weapons of mass destruction. There is clearly a disconnect between what we were told and what, in fact, we found there.
MATTHEWS: If you knew last October when you had to cast an aye or nay vote for this war, that we would be unable to find weapons of mass destruction after all these months there, would you still have supported the war?
EDWARDS: It wouldn’t change my views. I said before, I think that the threat here was a unique threat. It was Saddam Hussein, the potential for Saddam getting nuclear weapons, given his history and the fact that he started the war before.
Where’s the out of context?
@ 53
Maybe you could take a shot at explaining why hamas is hoping for obama to be president.
Sure. Just as soon as you come up with a convincing argument that makes Hamas’ opinion relevant to our politics.
Better yet, why do wingnuts like Hamas better than they like Democrats?
Nice.
The dumbfuck-in-chief insults Americans while on foriegn soil.
Asshole.
…and he lies about giving up golf.
…and you shitheads support him and his minions every chance you get.
PUDDY!!…I’m talking to you. You should be ASHAMED of yourself. A black person voting for a republican is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders.
What the hell are you people thinking? What’s happpened to gas prices…what’s happened to home values.
MARVIN! PIPER! You guys are smart…you don’t see what’s going on? You’re getting screwed by these clowns six ways to Sunday…and you turn around and say “Please give it to me again, sir. And this time please forego the lube.”
Hopeless, clueless idiots. Fortunately the majority of Americans are more perceptive than you all. Why do THEY get it and YOU don’t.
Hmmmmmmmmm…..
Considering how the left protests, er, damages property, why are democrats allowed to work at jobs that could affect US Soldiers?
A proud victory for those on the left as they show their “love” for the troops.
Investigators have concluded that two military helicopters were vandalized on the production line at a Boeing factory near Philadelphia, the Defense Department said Thursday as it offered a reward in the case.
my reply has been marked as spam, if it’s still hanging around maybe the blog gods can unmark it an post it.
What I pointed out, with links, that obama had a staff member that met with hamas. When it became public knowledge obama threw him under the bus.
What did obamas staff tell hamas? Make any promises? Oh well, like the sandy berger thefts we will never know the truth.
Hey John DOH: From Hans Blix, you remember him: ” “The Iraqi government would need to offer guarantees of safety,” said the 75-year-old former head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, who led the U.N. inspections team until 2003. “But to go to sites which satellites have already found to be empty is perhaps not meaningful.””
– Wednesday 13 October 2003, after the war began.
Of course, we all know blacks should all think alike. You believe that all conservative all think alike so group think is understandable to you.
My life is getting better all the time. I’m making more $$ than ever before. I have more opportunities than ever before in my life. I might be opening a sushi bar in sandpoint, something I never could have done 10 years ago. I don’t give bush any of the credit for it, it’s all because of me. I worked hard, got better at what I did and moved up the totem pole so to speak.
I’m sorry that your life is falling apart and nothing is going right. Sorry you’re not making as much money as you did 7 years ago. Sorry you ddon’t have health insurance and you aren’t able to pay your mortgage.
John DOH, you mean the same Kenneth Pollack who wrote in his book: “In 2002 I wrote a book called Threatening Storm: The Case for Invading Iraq, in which I argued that because all our other options had failed, the United States would ultimately have to go to war to remove Saddam before he acquired a functioning nuclear weapon.”
Interesting John DOH. No partial punditry here. You brought him up, I didn’t…
Wow Rujax: Interesting commentary on chicken and blacks and Colonel Sanders. When did you cross over? You know I like watermelon too.
Of course John DOH can’t tell me why Russia thought Saddam had nuclear weapons when they had carte blanch in Iraq, just like the French.
Saddam = cockroach
What do you do with cockroaches? You stomp them, unless you want to be overrun in short order.
Whether the US should have become involved in Iraq is completely irrelevant at this point. What’s done is done. History is going to make the real determination on that one. Not the Democratic party, not any loony leftist hack. And most certainly not anyone on HA, left or right. Think about it. In twenty years, Iraq will be far beyond the public consciousness. We really have far more pressing problems in the US than Iraq, and that is what our so-called leaders should be exploring.
Where is the debate as to the most advantageous, geopolitical, move for our country going forward? Where is the leadership to take us beyond the next decade? Beyond establishing dominance for one party or another? If any of you believe that any of the frontrunners matches that description, I’d surely like to hear about it.
@ 55
Where’s the out of context?
You can’t be serious. The original link that you cited has less than half of the text that you, yourself, quoted, and you’ve even managed to leave out the portions where Edwards discusses the basis of his decision.
Also, part of the context is when those comments were made: i.e. during the 2004 presidential campaign. Further evidence of Bush’s cooking the intelligence had yet to come out. The Downing Street Memo, for example, hadn’t been made public until nearly two years later.
@ 59
What I pointed out, with links, that obama had a staff member that met with hamas. When it became public knowledge obama threw him under the bus.
Ah, yes. This “staff member“.
I eagerly await the appearance of your comment, just to see how badly you’ve distorted the facts. You’ve already distorted one important fact, so how many more?
@ 60
And the Puddy Parade of Partial Punditry marches forward. A copy of the full press release can be found here. Notice how the gist of Blix’ remarks is that the world is not safer as a result of the Iraq war.
Yet again, the Puddy Parade of Partial Punditry doesn’t want everyone to see the full text of Blix’ remarks.
@ 62
you mean the same Kenneth Pollack who wrote in his book…
Yup. That Kenneth Pollack, who is also this Kenneth Pollack. The Puddy Parade of Partial Punditry only wants to quote part of what Kenneth Pollack said before the war, but wants to forget, for example, that Pollack had argued that:
Yes, folks, you have been treated to yet another case in the onward march of the Puddy Parade of Partial Punditry.
@ 64
Of course John DOH can’t tell me why Russia thought Saddam had nuclear weapons when they had carte blanch in Iraq, just like the French.
I’m not sure why that would be a surprise, since I never claimed that I could. I’ll simply note that Puddy has yet to make the case that it’s relevant. Nor, for that matter, has Puddy provided any answer to his own question.
Which is curious, because, it would at least seem, that not only does Puddy not know the answer to his own rhetorical question, he can’t even tell us why he asked the question in the first place.
I wasn’t intending on posting the whole article, nor do I believe the original link was planning on posting the whole speech. He posted what he thought was the gotcha section and provided links to validate his quote.
Is this the being tired and misspeaking excuse? Or maybe one of those little stump speech lies, not to be taken seriously.
And then the 3rd reason why the quotes don’t mean anything. All the intelligence was faked. If the intelligence was faked, how would the quotes be wrong and why would campaigning be an issue.
@ 71
He posted what he thought was the gotcha section and provided links to validate his quote.
Yes, but the “gotcha” section isn’t nearly so much of a “gotcha” if you read the whole transcript. That, by definition, is taking comments out of context.
All the intelligence was faked. If the intelligence was faked, how would the quotes be wrong and why would campaigning be an issue.
Frankly, I have no idea what your point is, here. If the intelligence was faked, then Edwards’ conclusions were based on a false premise, which means that Edwards’ conclusions were wrong. This, somehow, makes Edwards an idiot?
Are you saying that the guy’s argument is, somehow, repaired by the fact that the guy provided a link which allows us to see how the comments were taken out of context?
Olbermann needs help it looks like his job may be on the line for poor ratings.
You are sooo high. Stay far away from drug-sniffing dogs.
Could we imagine what it must be like being a right winger these days? Looking yourself in the mirror, and knowing deep down inside, everything you understand about the world is wrong.
I watch the right wing commentators, like David Brooks, and Pat Buchanan, and imagine how hard it would be to defend the indefensible on a daily basis. Not to mention the outright liars on Faux New Lies, and the likes of Rush, and Medved, or worse.
Keith, call them out on their blindness, retardation, hypocrisy, and lies, every chance you get. I will be tivoing your program every night. Your show, and Stefanie Miller’s right wing world segment are are almost too much to stomach.
When it comes to describing the right wingers, only one word comes to mind.
Treason.
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Please cite your source for K.O’s job being on the line. He has tied Bill-O in the key demographic age group. You can look it up same as I did. Bill is shitting his pants.
For God’s sake man, use “the google”.
Pull your head out of your ass first.
I just read this. Politics are like driving.
To go forward put it in D
To go in reverse put it in R
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Let me try explaining it again…
If the intelligence was faked, then although factually incorrect, the quote by john edwards would be true (as to the best of his knowledge at that time).
But instead you keep insisting the quote is out of context and isn’t true.
And then you floated that reason about being made during the presidential campaign.
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Well, I think you’re going to have to try to explain this again, because you’re still not making any sense.
First, context is about meaning and intent. It has nothing to do with “truth”, so I’m absolutely baffled at your claim that I’m insisting that quote of Edwards “isn’t true.”
Second, that the quote is taken out of context is something you managed to prove all by yourself when you cited more of the transcript than the web site you had earlier linked. Why did you feel the need to supply more of the context than that web site author chose to provide?
Third, my mention of the 2004 Presidential campaign was entirely about the time the comments were made. I made no explicit mention of any idea that Edwards’ said what he said solely for political purposes. That’s an idea cooked up entirely within the confines of your little brain.
Lastly, if there is any discussion of “truth,” here, it’s the extent to which Edwards’ views, at the time he made those statements, were fully informed by all the relevant facts. The fact that the Bush Administration cooked the intelligence wasn’t documented until well after the 2004 Presidential election took place. If you truly valued “truth,” then you’d be far more interested in Edwards’ views today than his views from more than four years ago.
# 75 read the post again.