Oh man… if this is the sharpest arrow in David Irons’ quiver, it’s gonna be an awfully boring election season.
Now that he and King County Executive Ron Sims have both come out on the same side of the two most contentious issues of the day, the Southwest proposal and I-912 (both candidates oppose them), Irons is reduced to following the lead of his paranoid delusional webmaster, Stefan Sharkansky, and his OCD-like focus on last year’s contested election for governor. Yesterday, both appeared as part of a press conference staged by Republicans on the KC Council, in which they held true to their party’s McCarthyite tradition, by waving before reporters lists of alleged illegal voters, without actually handing over any evidence to reporters or authorities.
The Republicans claim that they have discovered duplicate registrations for over 2000 voters, the bulk of them being women who are registered under both their maiden and married names.
“It’s a sad day,” Irons said. “We’ve lost the trust of the people.”
Yes Dave, it certainly is, and you certainly have. But then, that’s the whole point isn’t it? You’re totally willing to undermine the public’s faith in government if you think that might get you into office.
Of course there are duplicate registrations. There are always going to be duplicate registrations, in every county and in every election, as Secretary of State Sam Reed pointed out in an interview on KIRO radio today:
This problem of dual registrations is one that all 39 counties have. I had when I was county auditor.
The elections office gets no automatic notice when somebody changes their name or address, and for the most part it’s up to voters to change their registration correctly. Elections departments periodically run database queries looking for such errors (KCRE corrected over 9,000 duplicate registrations earlier this year) but there will always be some duplicate registrations on the rolls. The GOP’s attempt to imply that duplicate registrations are the result of negligence on the part of Dean Logan or his staff, is dishonest, mean-spirited and manipulative. This is a well known issue, and as Reed points out, one which will be partially addressed by the statewide voter registration database that has long been scheduled to go online in January of 2006.
I think that it’s very important that we have a clean voter registration rolls and obviously if they do have information that there are dual registrations I do think that it’s important that they challenge them. That’s part of Washington State law. Now I’m not up in King County so I’m not part of the politics going on with the election right now and everything but certainly it’s a legitimate issue and one we’re working on. We’re going to have a statewide voter registration system in the Secretary of State’s Office beginning next year and we hope to be able to help the counties a lot to clean up their records and to try to void as many duplicate registrations as I say occur everywhere.
Everything about yesterday’s press conference reeked of a candidate so bereft of issues, ideas and qualifications, that his only desperate hope is to tear down the other side, at any cost. How else can you explain an effort to criminalize several thousand women who married and took their husband’s last name, or to level an accusation so paper thin that the Republican Secretary of State dismisses it with an audio shrug?
But perhaps the most embarrassing detail for Irons and his GOP comrades is that they seemed unembarrassed to stand there side by side with WA state’s most famous conspiracy theorist, our friend Stefan of (un)Sound Politics, whose tireless efforts to find patterns of fraud in KC’s voter databases borders on numerology, and whose aluminum-hat-analyses have earned him every last drop of incredulity he enjoys. Stefan actually had the temerity to stand before the assembled media throng and claim he was one of them, ignoring the fact that real journalists cover press conferences… they don’t conduct them.
This is what Irons and his fellow Republicans are reduced to… a bogus press conference on an over-blown none issue, with expert, objective analysis from the state’s best known partisan blogger… a man whose idea of reasoned debate is to compare Ron Sims to the brutal African dictator Robert Mugabe. At least I’ve always admitted I’m a propagandist, but Stefan doesn’t even have the honor to do that. And Irons clearly doesn’t have the sense to disassociate himself from a man who could be the inspiration for one of Aesop’s best known fables.
Are there thousands of duplicate registrations in KC and the state’s other 38 counties? No doubt. But after months of investigation and litigation election officials and GOP attorneys could only document a handful of double voters out of 3 million ballots cast.
“It’s a sad day that we’re here again talking about election flaws from this election and past elections,” Irons said.
It certainly is, Dave. But then again, apparently you have nothing else to talk to voters about.
Ok, so there is dual registrations. I understand why this can happen. Now is there any occurance of people actually voting twice? Well, I’m sure there is but it has to be so few in far between to actually mention it. It’s seem like a pretty pathetic excuse to rally the troops, but as I know most people they will blindly follow what there party tells them. Unfortunatly, I find very few people that question what they are told (in the fact that they don’t bother to find out what they are told is true, or was misrepresented).
#1. Double voters are unacceptable, Goldy.
#2. See #1.
#3. Heavy Irons has a lot more to talk about.
#4. See #1. Stop making excuses and start demanding accountability before the “wrong” person gets in. If you’re from King County, click on my handle and sign the petition for electing a King County auditor.
#5. David Irons helps you kill 912 and this is how you thank him?
#6. See #1. #4, too.
#7. Why is it that there are more illegal voters both in quantity and proportionality in King County? Gee whiz… maybe a fatal pend should be, well, fatal.
BTW, double voters were a 1998 problem too. Ron Sims was County Executive then, too.
Gotcha Ron.
The fact Sam Reed is a dunce doesn’t mean it isn’t a problem…
But Goldy never quotes out of context, so he’s right :-)
http://www.komonews.com/stories/39723.htm
Good points by ZE Schram :-)
KVI got’s Heavy Irons right now…
The lengths that Goldy and the rest of the HA “team” keep going to defend the incompetence of the elections leaders and staff, as well as the loophole-ridden system in general is almost eerie. It is getting very difficult to dismiss any of the so-called conspiricy theories about organized or “wink-wink” fraud.
The current honor system is a lofty, feel-good method to have for all of our Government programs, yet human nature does seem to take over. And when any election comes in close, and “every” vote counts, it would sure be nice to have some confidence that the election errors did not exceed the margin of victory.
Thanks Goldy, for keeping the defense of incompetence at the forefront. I hope that we will eventually have real reform that ensures every vote counts as long as it is legal.
Comment by yearight— 10/13/05 @ 5:02 pm
Hear ye, hear ye!
David “Heavy” Irons for Executive.
[Don’t worry, my folks wouldn’t vote for me either because I’d be just as nutty as our man in Lon-dunn. But I forgive them.]
Poor Schram;
Even when he has a good point, he has to grunt and growl to keep his persona intact…
I don’t think voters are tired of Republican’s finding errors….just tired of the errors.. Only ones not liking the finding part are the dems…
Comment by righton— 10/13/05 @ 5:07 pm
Yeah, well they could have put all of this on their website. And released this in batches. I’ll give Logan those tiny bits.
Hey dumbass – there isn’t anything wrong with duplicate registrations. The problem is when people vote twice. As the Shark as shown over and over again.
josef @3 regarding item 7
More in quantity is because there are more people in king county. There was not more in proportion, which is what every mathemetitian has been saying all along. Thats why stevens analysis’s keep falling down, he keeps saying that there is a problem in king county when the numbers all show that there is no difference between king and every other county in washington.
Any claim that there are X number of errors in a given county is only a valid complaint if you show how many errors there are in all other counties in the state.
Comment by bill— 10/13/05 @ 5:09 pm
Nice try.
Comment by C— 10/13/05 @ 5:09 pm
Again, go HERE. 1998 redux.
Ron Sims. County Executive since 1997. Doubling voters, saving the fatal pends, and cooking nice tallies.
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Comment by Josef for Honest Elections— 10/13/05 @ 5:15 pm
My bad :-(.
I got a robo-call yesterday from David Irons:
He says there’s no transportation plan to reduce congestion. Reduce congestion? A UW expert said that to make I-5 congestion-free 24 hours a day would take 22 lanes each way! Sure…
Fraud! Fraud! Fraud! Fraud! Fraud! Fraud!*
*by fraud, I mean David Irons can’t prove it
Comment by Swift Boat Vets For Universal Healthcare— 10/13/05 @ 5:28 pm
Trust him. He just did your bloody NO ON 912 campaign a favour.
Remember too this isn’t old by any means.
Or new. As in March of 1998 concerns started to arise, courtesy of KING 5.
As a former liberal suburban Republican, I feel sorry for the county council republicans and the pains they take to raise issues for their dog-of-a-candidate, David Irons. It seems like their goal has been to trash the county government enough so that the people won’t have a slice of trust. People don’t trust government much anyway, so it drives the numbers lower. Playing on the peoples’ fears and angers will only do one harm in the end, whether you get elected or not.
20 and 21
I accept your charges at face value. I agree! I’m just excited to fix the system. I think there is a lack of “Responsible Demogogery” on this issue.
LIAR! LIAR! PANTS ON FIRE!!
I laughed my ass off watching NBC News tonight — the White House got caught in a barefaced petty lie!
A satellite link was set up for Bush to converse with a group of soldiers in Iraq. The media were told the interchange would be unrehearsed and spontaneous. Unfortunately for the WH somebody screwed up and the networks got a live link of the soldiers being rehearsed and told what to say by a WH staffer! When WH flak Scott McClellan was confronted about this deception, the shit-eating embarrassed smirk on his stupid face as he tried to weasel out of it was worth a million bucks!!! :D :D :D
Reminds me of what columnist George Will said about Richard Nixon: “He tells lies so petty and demeaning you wonder why he stoops to it.”
“Double registration” is not the same as “double voting.” We are talking about double registration.
Remember the Gregoire effort? Maybe now’s the time again.
We could do the same database query on all right-leaning counties. Then we could challenge those registrations.
Meanwhile, we could track down and get affidaivits from people in KC who are on the double-registration list.
Who wants to be involved? Email
DoubleChecking@doramail.com
if you want to be involved in an effort to do any of the above.
@ 24
I think Scotty said that “even though the answers were known beforehand, they are still accurate.”
Nice way to tell half the story Goldy. Doesn’t wash with me. Let me tell the rest.
The real problem is that these dual registered voters can AND DID vote more than once. They broke the law, and they affected the outcome of the election. King County Elections managed to stonewall long enough to get away with it, and it took SS a while to uncover it all. But it’s certainty that Gregoire should not be in office. BTW, it’s also a certainty now that she’ll be a lame duck after we shove 912 up her ass.
“our friend Stefan of (un)Sound Politics, whose tireless efforts to find patterns of fraud in KC’s voter databases borders on numerology”
Goldy, didn’t you mean to say “astrology” instead of “numerology?”
Now I’m gonna hop up the street from my abode in Green Lake Park and eat Stefan’s garden and shit on his lawn!
It ain’t the crime, its the coverup…
@27
“these dual registered voters can AND DID vote more than once”
B U L L S H I T
How many times was this argument hashed and re-hashed last spring — and never with a shred of proof? For those of you who’ve forgotten even the GOP found only a dozen or so double votes in the entire fucking state, and the only voters who admitted voting twice said they voted for Rossi.
Comment by Mark The Redneck — 10/13/05 @ 6:56 pm
Gee, you sound like a Mark I know of. The same Mark behind 912? :-) I guess today was a hard day, eh?
Comment by Swift Boat Vets For Universal Healthcare — 10/13/05 @ 5:50 pm
Well then, let’s fix the system… already. Sims had no less than seven years. Time for Irons to fix it.
Comment by Roger Rabbit— 10/13/05 @ 7:17 pm
Confusing that w/ the felon voters?
Roger , you are confused.
The trial w/ earring man ONLY showed GOP lacked evidence that each vote that put Gregoire over the top was not actually an illegal vote.
Said nothing about the broad mass of errors.
Nice try. Don’t they have 15 minute limits on pcs at the library?
@32
No — are you? Sounds like it.
@33
Hey dipstick, if you go into court without evidence you lose — thought I’d mention it, just in case you don’t know.
No evidence = not credible
Roger, oh wrong…
He didn’t allow case to consider beyond his narrow ruling. YOu can’t fight outside his ruling.
Lack of evidence = bereft of factual foundation; unsubstantiated allegation or accusation; untrustworthy; mere opinion; bullshit.
No evidence = B U L L S H I T
“For those of you who’ve forgotten even the GOP found only a dozen or so double votes in the entire fucking state, and the only voters who admitted voting twice said they voted for Rossi.”
Not true. There were four felon votes admitted by Judge Bridges for Rossi, therefore four votes for Gregoire.
Just thought I’d mention it, as it appears you don’t know that “shrieking allegation” and “fact” are not the same. All you wingers seem to have trouble with that concept.
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/13/05 @ 7:26 pm
Well, they got the evidence.
“GOP officials and Republican members of the Metropolitan King County Council said they officially will challenge the registrations of about 2,050 voters Monday.”
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....ns13m.html
Kind of hard to file a challenge w/o evidence, eh?
God Bless David Irons, Kathy Lambert, Reagan Dunn, their staffs, and the rest.
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/13/05 @ 7:27 pm
I think I know the difference. Do you see me claiming Dean Logan is a chef?
40
“There were four felon votes admitted by Judge Bridges for Rossi, therefore four votes for Gregoire”
Huh? Say what? Judge Bridges subtracted 4 illegal votes from Rossi’s total. That’s not 4 votes for Gregoire. Gregoire ended up with the same number of votes she had before the trial started.
Gotta admire these right winger bullshitters for their imagination, though — clever how 4 illegal votes for Rossi suddenly gets twisted into 4 felon votes for Gregoire.
If I can vote twice to defeat republicans…I’m all for it!
But it is, nonetheless, B U L L S H I T
Hey this is a popular thread, when I came on a few minutes ago there were only two dozen posts and now we’re almost up to 50 …
@42
Hey Joseph how is that evidence of Mark the Red’s claim that a lot of people double voted? Are you really this fucking stupid, or are you confused about what the topic is?
What they have evidence of is that we don’t have a system for purging registrations under maiden names when women get married and re-register under their married names. This is a common occurrence not only in King County, but across the state, and almost certainly throughout the entire country. But of all the women who are on the voter rolls twice — under the maiden and married names — the GOP was hard pressed to find even a couple who voted twice. I’ll bet Sharansky, an idiot who can’t even spell his own name right, can’t name a single one.
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/13/05 @ 7:30 pm
Will you stop? Four additional votes means 4 more votes distance… you know like in sports, the spread?
This flap is typical of how the GOP distorts facts to tell great big fucking lies. They take the fact that some women are double registered because their maiden name wasn’t purged from the rolls and distort it into a gigantic falsehood that thousands of people are voting twice. You’d be nuts to hire these people to balance your checkbook or do the accounts for your business.
Maybe the fact they can’t even perform one-step mathematical equations explains why:
1) They incurred $2,000,000 of legal expenses to get 4 votes subtracted from their own candidate’s total, and
2) They still owe their lawyers $650,000.
Actually, I can’t think of any reason why they should PAY the $650,000! Vance & Co. sure as hell didn’t get their money’s worth from Davis, Wright and Tremaine. Usually you spend money for value-added, but in this case Vance spent money for votes-subtracted. Hard to tell who’s dumber, Vance or his lawyers.
Oh, I know who’s dumbest — the fools who contributed the $2,000,000 to these liars..
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/13/05 @ 7:33 pm
In order to challenge a voter, you must have proof. Preferably proof they voted. They will produce that proof – mark my words.
@51
Son, you’re coming through garbled, I say again garbled … SKEEK SCRREECH SQUAWK FWEEEEP BZZZZZT PFFT
@54
Why don’t you hold your breath and see which happens first — they come up with proof or you choke.
You’re lookin’ a little purple already, Joe.
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/13/05 @ 7:42 pm
Now you’re changing the subject. Why?
Could that be because double voting under maiden names happened in… 1998?
Say, how’s your love affair with Zits coming along? Have you actually asked her for a date, or are you just a stalker?
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/13/05 @ 7:44 pm
The proof is coming on Monday, Roger Rabbit. Today was just round I.
Chill. Seriously. If you’re being challenged, Elections must send you notice of the King County GOP challenge.
Oh, don’t you love these trolls — now he accuses ME of changing the subject — hey dummy, the topic is Mark The Idiot’s claim that thousands of people double voted. You’re the one who’s trying to flip to another subject. Which is understandable, because you’ve made yourself look silly on this topic.
THIS is the topic:
“The real problem is that these dual registered voters can AND DID vote more than once. They … affected the outcome of the election … it took SS a while to uncover it all. But it’s certainty that Gregoire should not be in office.”
$2 million bucks, 2 weeks of trial, 2 million gallons of newspaper ink, and Mark still believes what the alien abductors told him while he was being held prisoner on that spaceship.
One thing I’ll say for Mark, he has the cojones to post bullshit, knowing full well that Roger Rabbit will rip him a new belly button; Joseph is merely pathetically confused about what the topic is.
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/13/05 @ 7:48 pm
Back to subject. First, I do not know anything more than the Orbusmax.com round-up of news stories.
Second, according to http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/.....ion13.html , “1,851 female voters registered twice under the same first name, date of birth and address, but with different last names. The GOP said those presumably were women who had changed their names because of marriage or divorce and had then filled out new registration forms.”
As Shark has shown on his blog, these registrations become used. Not everybody knows to be honorable when they get two (or more) opportunities to vote. That is why Monday either the KC GOP is a bunch of… cavern trash or flag-waving patriots taking these multiple registrations off the rolls through in most cases no accident of the registered voters who could very well be 99.99% GOP for all you or I know.
http://www.soundpolitics.com/a.....tml#005172
What do Ron Sims and Dean Logan have to say in their defense?
Election officials and Sims quickly said yesterday that at least one name on the GOP’s duplicate-voters list appeared to be a mistake — and they questioned the Republicans’ motives in making a media splash.
Elections Office spokeswoman Bobbie Egan said a woman singled out by the Republican Party as having voted twice in the 2004 general election and again in the 2005 primary actually appears to be two women with the same name but different birthdates.
The only person the GOP so far alleges to have voted twice under different registrations both last November and in this September’s primary is Patricia A Levesque.
Here are the two original voter registration forms, as released by King County Elections. The first was filed in 2002, the second in 2004. Other records show that the address on the first registration was changed in 2003 to 94 Bay St, the address that was given on the 2004 registration. Note that the signatures are all but identical and the birthdates are only one day apart: one is 10/15/1940, the other 10/16/1940. The handwriting on the two forms is different, suggesting that one might have been filled out by someone other than the voter who could have easily made a mistake in transcribing the birthdate. 94 Bay St. is a building of studio apartments.
Would any sane person believe that there are two different people named Patricia A Levesque, whose birthdates are one day apart and who have identical signatures and share a studio apartment? Of course not. But Ron Sims and his spokeswoman believe it!
Roger Rabbit, I’m going to give you 15 minutes to respond. Then I will reply to you and consider hitting the sack.
Voter fraud is good because Roger Rabbit took the call from REV Louis Farrakhan. The REV said it is racist to ask black Democrats to have IDs. Maxine Waters agreed. So did Tawana and Al and Jesse. So……….No voter fraud, no peace!!! Burn, baby, burn!!!!
Okay so now Josef you are saying a random sampling of 1,851 female King County voters are 99.9% Republican??
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@65
Respond to what? That the GOP found ONE alleged double vote — and was wrong? Why should I respond to that? IT’S NOT THE FUCKING TOPIC!!! The topic is Mark LeRedneck’s claim that thousands of people voted twice.
Roger Rabbit-50 ‘I’ll bet Sharansky, an idiot who can’t even spell his own name right, can’t name a single one.’
http://www.soundpolitics.com/archives/005166.html
I know. You meant to say that he can’t name TWO. Tomorrow it will be THREE, and so forth.
Once again the wabbit substitutes blather and written volume for substance. Some things never change.
But since you asked, my response is that no one should be surprised that the lame-ass GOP, after digging up only 1 double vote, couldn’t even get that 1 right. It’s consisent with their track record in the Rossi election contest: Massive fraud claimed; 4 fraudulent votes proved — for their own candidate!!
@68
I fail to see how Sharansky, an idiot who not only can’t spell his own fucking name right but also bases his arguments on assumptions and leaps of logic, has proved that one Patricia A. Levesque voted twice. He hasn’t proved shit. What’s going to happen is a professional employed by King County Elections will look into whether there are two registered voters named Patricia A. Levesque or one Patricia A. Levesque registered twice. It takes a professional to determine facts, to be distinguished from an assumer and innuendo-flinger like Stefan.
righton @ 33
“The trial w/ earring man ONLY showed GOP lacked evidence that each vote that put Gregoire over the top was not actually an illegal vote.”
Not true. He, in fact, said that if he had allowed the GOPs methodology, Gregoire would have prevailed. Sorry righton. No matter how you try to slice and dice the ruling, Gregoire won, fair and square.
“Said nothing about the broad mass of errors.”
Yes he did. He said numerous things about all of the errors. In fact he devotes at least one sentence to each class of error found in the election during his oral ruling. You had better go back and read it again (check the SoS office).
You want prove? I’ll show you what “proof” is — I’ll PROVE Stefan is an idiot!
Here’s my proof that Stefan is an idiot:
Stefan thinks “Roger Rabbit” is Dean Logan blogging on a King County computer.
righton @ 37
“He didn’t allow case to consider beyond his narrow ruling. YOu can’t fight outside his ruling.”
WTF???? Bridges allowed the entire trial to continue, took in all the evidence that either side wanted to present.
In the end, Rossi got his ass dropkicked back to Bellevue on EVERY aspect of the case. Had he ruled “narrowly,” he would have shit-canned the case right after the Frye hearing, rather than hearing the whole thing and dismissing it (first) on the Frye hearing.
It’s like you were not even paying attention, righton.
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/13/05 @ 8:01 pm
It could be all African Americans w/ portraits of Ron Sims over the mantle, driving BMWs for all I know. Or Asians w/ portraits of David Irons and driving Mitshibushis and Toyotas, dipstick.
josef @ 40,
“Not true. There were four felon votes admitted by Judge Bridges for Rossi, therefore four votes for Gregoire.”
Take your meds, Josef. There was corroborating evidence for each of the four felon votes—like donations from the person to Republican candidates.
You’re wasting your time, dj. “Righton” is a premeditated, deliberate liar! He’ll never tell the truth about anything until he finds Jesus.
Hey Righton do you want to get born again and find Jesus? Click here: http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/
@74
I knew that sooner or later Josef would play the race card.
Poor Josef is getting his ass kicked tonight by a 7 5/8-lb. bunny with pink ears and a cute cottontail.
Josef @ 42
“GOP officials and Republican members of the Metropolitan King County Council said they officially will challenge the registrations of about 2,050 voters Monday.”
Take some more of your meds. Those are doublely registered voters (typically under a maiden and married name). The GOP has not claimed these people have voted twice.
All that the GOP will accomplish is getting one of the doubled registrations removed from the rolls. Big fucking deal.
Uh-oh … here comes Mrs. Rabbit with a floor mop and frying pan … I’m sposed to be mopping … I’M OUTTA HERE!!! That’s my bus coming!!!
You know, it’s people like “Roger Rabbit” that take the fun out of this.
That said, I’m going to say this very bluntly to lay out the facts for the rest of us:
*We only know what has been publicized as to the details of this evidence
*We know that in 1998, under Sims, these problems existed
*We know in 2006, a statewide system will fix this
*We know that anybody has the legal right and responsibility to challenge another voter, provided they have evidence
*We know that 2 voter registrations for the same person = 2 chances to vote for the same person.
*We know absolutely nothing about the identity or biases here
*We know that Chris Vance said after Wenatchee the following:
“The Democrats taunted us that we needed to go out and challenge people’s voter registration,” he said. “OK, we will. We’re going to spend the time and money to comb through the voting rolls to find the problems there before the elections. We’re going to harass King County and make sure they mail out their military ballots on time.”
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....si08m.html
Told you so. He kept his word, bless his heart.
Comment by dj — 10/13/05 @ 8:24 pm
Doesn’t matter. We’ll see Monday how many of them voted or not.
Here’s a question for you all, one which some of you will go gaga over:
What if Mary Lane marries Josef Abraham? She gets Mary Lane and Mary Lane Abraham. Want her to vote twice?
{I think not.}
Josef @ 54
“In order to challenge a voter, you must have proof. Preferably proof they voted. They will produce that proof – mark my words.”
Really, dude, take your meds. The GOP is NOT claiming that 2K people voted twice. Get help for yourself. Soon.
Josef for Honest Elections-82 ‘Want her to vote twice?’
Based on the answers from the HA “team”, yes. If she is a dem, hell yes!
You are wasting your time here Josef. The lefties not only like the results in WA/2004, they want all options open to squeak by in the future.
Not to say you should not keep trying. If anything the HAers are good target practice.
Roger Rabbit @ 7
“innuendo-flinger”
That’s a good one!
@81
So now harassing government officials is a virtue? Maybe in your mixed-up world, but not in mine.
Since when is politics supposed to be “fun,” Josef? Have you forgotten? Newt Gingrich told his fellow Republicans to wage politics with “all the savagery of a civil war” — and that’s exactly what your side has done. Ann Coulter said Democrats should be put in “concentration camps” and “executed.” You call that “fun?” This is a liberal blog, and it’s not reasonable for you to expect to have fun or enjoy yourself here, Josef. But what I really want to know is — are you a legitimate suitor or a stalker? Have you actually asked Zits for a date? And if you did, did she say yes or turn you down? We all wanna know!!!
Now I really — I mean REALLY — gotta go! Like RIGHT NOW!! Mrs. Rabbit is gaining on me, and my bus is almost here … oh God it’s gonna be close …
S H R I E K
The only hope the right has in WA is if wabbits like Roger multiply like crazy.
Josef @ 82
“What if Mary Lane marries Josef Abraham? She gets Mary Lane and Mary Lane Abraham. Want her to vote twice?”
You moron. If she actually does vote twice, then she has broken a serious law and would likely be convicted of a felony.
In the last election, there were a hadfull of people who voted twice, and KC turned turned the matter over to prosecuters.
Most people (except for a few brain dead Republicans, perhaps) would NOT even consider voting twice even if the opportunity arose. Why? Because this crime is exceedingly easy to spot, as a handfull of voters found out last year.
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/13/05 @ 8:38 pm
Ann Coulter does not speak for me. Mary “Marummy” Lane, my good friend the executive director of Forward Washington does.
Comment by dj — 10/13/05 @ 8:44 pm
Thank you for your support of the King County GOP. You have just announced support of challenging these duplicate registrations. Thank you and remember to go to http://honestelectionsproject.com to elect your county an auditor.
Comment by yearight — 10/13/05 @ 8:34 pm
Yeah, I think this is getting too cruel. And easy.
Josef, do you really think that dominating the thread is helping your cause?
Of course there are duplicate registrations. There are always going to be duplicate registrations, in every county and in every election, as Secretary of State Sam Reed pointed out in an interview on KIRO radio today:
This problem of dual registrations is one that all 39 counties have. I had when I was county auditor
What is the big deal. So there are democrats who cheat in all 39 counties. What is so suprising about that.
“Gregoire won fair and square” Yeah right. Dream on you stupid sheep. Keep smokin that funny stuff so you don’t get a clue. Obviously you don’t believe in democracy and free and fair elections. We’ve just moved one step closer to communism, you know, he who counts the votes wins. All I have is the image of Paul Berendt bawling like a baby to the press “COUNT EVERY VOTE”. Only if we knew that this was his super secret al-democrap code to Logan to go dig those fatal ballots out of the garbage!
Last I checked the best two out of three wins anyway. Don’t worry fellas there is no eveidence and what is in the past doesn’t always stay in the past.
the only voters who admitted voting twice said they voted for Rossi.
We should get rid of juries, we just need to ask people who broke the law the right questions, they would have no reason to lie, right?
roger, dj
for guys who claim to love empirical evidence, science, you guys sure live by blind faith
How about this one tonight from stefan “Given that the box contained 1,400 envelopes out of a total 28,000 provisionals counted, a simple extrapolation predicts that about 60 such bogus provisional ballots were counted. That could help explain why there were 111 provisional ballots tabulated in precinct 1823, but only 45 voters credited. “
This may be a little off topic but I ran into an interesting question today: If, as the Bush regime says, the Iraqi oil fields belong to the Iraqi people, then who do the American oil fields belong to? I think it was Roger Ailes who asked the question.
SP Fan @ 95
“Last I checked the best two out of three wins anyway. “
Ohhh…man we haven’t had a “fresh one” like you since mid-June around here. He’s mine, folks! :-)
You fucking idiot! The Repugs spent millions of dollars and lost ground in the process. They didn’t just lose, they got their balls crushed … they got their asses reamed. There was absolutely no merit to their case (except earning money for lawyers and expert witnesses).
Go back to “Fantisy Island” (a.k.a. uSP) and sulk your pathetic fucking life away, dweeb.
Michael @ 96
“the only voters who admitted voting twice said they voted for Rossi. We should get rid of juries, we just need to ask people who broke the law the right questions, they would have no reason to lie, right?”
You fucking moron there were no juries or a judge involved in those “confessions”. The double voters were not on trial.
The four votes deducted from Rossi’s total were from felon’s who admitted voting AND had corroborating evidence.
Holy shit … those with the biggest grudges are really the dumbest.
sp @ 95
“We’ve just moved one step closer to communism, you know, he who counts the votes wins.”
I’m not sure from your comment that you understand what Communism is.
Rufus @ 94
“So there are democrats who cheat in all 39 counties. What is so suprising about that.”
Perhaps, but Bridges found they were offset by even more Republican cheaters.*
*(He said he would have found that if he had allowed the GOP proportional deduction method to go forward.)
Josef @ 91
“Thank you for your support of the King County GOP. You have just announced support of challenging these duplicate registrations.”
I don’t have a problem with using the GOP data to assist with cleaning the voter role data (in fact, I encourage all parties and individuals to help in this task).
But, I also find that the Republicans are a bunch of duplicitous assholes for withholding the data for 2 fucking weeks (when they could have been easily used to clean the data), and then cry foul 2 days after the database was locked.
This was dishonest and unpatriotic.
Or, as stated in this press release:
Fucking duplicitous assholes!
re 100: Is Chuck Hegel a communist?
Roger Rabid-
If we just delete your posts to this thread, then it not too popular at all. You must account for half of them.
Looks like your posting strategy mirrors that of LEFTIST PINHEAD voting, post (vote) often, maybe no one will notice that you don’t amount to anything anyway.
Yes, you are just angry that your life is irrelevant.
Danno,
You must be new around here. Roger Rabbit isn’t angry. He is a cute fluffy bunny, who like to have fun with all the lady bunnies around Greenlake and produce even more bunnies.
How could a guy like that be angry?
BTW: The thread would be shorter yet by removing Josef wacky posts. Hopefully Josef gets his Ritalen perscription refilled before tomorrow.
DJ
You raise a good point. The problem with the judge’s analysis is that most of the precincts that had large amounts of questionable ballots in repub counties were in districts that were overwhelmingly democratic. A good example would be a district that included a large public university or college. You have to bring it down to the local level when using proportional deduction. If you are honest you will find what numerous studies over the last couple decades have already discovered… democrats are the overwhelming cause of voter fraud. Nuff said.
Danno: No member of the PRAYER BREAKFAST MAFIA , like you are, has the brains to call others names. You need the patience and forgiving nature of sweet bleeding Jesus Himself to put up with the ignorance of these PRAYER BREAKFAST MAFIA types!
re 107: You mean communities with highly educated people vote Democratic? Have any theories ( beside your usual crackpot righty ones) on why?
RUFUS @ 107
“You raise a good point. The problem with the judge’s analysis is that most of the precincts that had large amounts of questionable ballots in repub counties were in districts that were overwhelmingly democratic”
Absolutely wrong, Rufus. Obviously, you don’t understand the “proportional deduction” method. By that method, one “reduces” fractional votes from each candidates total based on the proportion of D v. R v. O votes in the precinct.
If what you said was true, proportional deduction would have suggested a Rossi win (or cut into Gregoire’s lead). Instead, it made things worse for Rossi*.
Sheesh … were you even around here during the election contest? You don’t seem to really grap what went on!
* Reference: Mark Handcock’s testmony during the trial. He used precinct level information on party voting and sex. By that analysis, Gregoire gained votes over Rossi. When the analysis was not adjusted by sex, Gregoire’s lead over Rossi was unchanged.
dj and Dr. E,
Based by your outrageous and extremly offensive replies. You both OBVIOUSLY understand what living in a Free Democracy really is. Thanks for the reply you two blind fools! I suppose all of the problems in the 2004 election were all proven a waste of 2 Million dollars by Judge Bridges in both of your non existant minds. It’s really too bad that low lifes like yourselves feel more important ranting and defending your Queen than defending yourself and freedom.
Keep telling yourselves your right, you know you are, just remember your leaders leader crying before the press and cameras durring the reount “COUNT…. EVERY…. VOTE…waaaaa….waaa. waa.”. He even looks like a commie.
SP Fan @ 111
“Based by your outrageous and extremly offensive replies. You both OBVIOUSLY understand what living in a Free Democracy really is.”
Yes, we certainly do. And, before you go, I just want you to know how much I appreciate that you stopped by. We really haven’t gotten someone as genuinely naive as you around here in months. It was fun reliving the good ‘ol days of last June.
Seriously, though, SPF, get your head out of uSP’s ass and talk radio. Most of the righties have made much better progress in recovery. Geez … really … it has been a long time since the “two out of three” falacy was raised.
Oh … if you do decide to come back, I recommend you read Judge Bridges decision (it is somewhere on the SoS web site). We really appreciate even righties who can argue from an informed point of view, rather than someone spewing ignorant bullshit.
Headless Loonie-
I am familiar also with your apparent anger at having no life- hint: posting here doesn’t count sistah.
re 11: Read a book. Start somewhere.
You are in such denial about the goingson down at King County Elections. But then again, that’s because they fabricated the result you wanted. So what of it? To be expected….but the rest of us aren’t going to sit quiet about it.
What you LEFTIST PINHEADS forget is the list of felons the Seattle Times found. Shall I revisit that link where they found +25 Felons voting for Gregoire?
Yes dj, fuck you! Why should the Republican Party help them purge the rolls. Everything the Rossi team said happened and was identified in the Seattle MSM your side said it didn’t happen. No fucking felons voted huh? No dead people voted? You are such a fucking liar. Just because the judge only approved four felons, why did this occur? How about dead people voting?
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/.....source=rss
“At least eight people who died well before the November general election were credited with voting in King County, raising new questions about the integrity of the vote total in the narrow governor’s race, a Seattle Post-Intelligencer review has found.”
“The Seattle Times found felon voters by comparing databases of nearly 100,000 court records and more than 1 million voter records in King and Pierce counties. The Times matched full names and birth dates, narrowing the search to more than 600 names. After checking court records for those cases, Times reporters eliminated cases in which felony charges had been reduced to misdemeanors or in which felons� voting rights had been restored.”
http://www.metrokc.gov/proatty.....voter1.htm
Hey dj, again.
http://www.citizenreviewonline.....felons.htm
What set it off this time Goldy?
Puddinghead @116,
If you want to convince yourself that the reason Republicans can’t win in WA is because Democrats keep stealing elections… by all means, continue to delude yourself. As far as I’m concerned, that’s the best way to assure that you’ll continue to lose elections.
@117
Multiple links.
Goldy,
You shouldn’t knock Stefan so much. He is doing the research — i.e. actually looking at the ballot envelopes — that the state GOP should have done intensively for all the King County ballots. And he is showing reckless or intentional decisions by K.C. Elections folks to count provisional ballots from people they knew were not registered, or to count provisional ballots from people they knew had already voted absentee. I told the state GOP they should have done this back in December 2004. Would have been much better to spend $100,000 to gather some credible nuts-and-bolts evidence, than to spend $2 million on attorneys to go into court without that much evidence.
Puddybutt @ 116
“Everything the Rossi team said happened and was identified in the Seattle MSM your side said it didn’t happen.”
Ummm … except for the fraud part. Oh … and except for the “Rossi won” part.
“No fucking felons voted huh? No dead people voted? You are such a fucking liar. Just because the judge only approved four felons, why did this occur? How about dead people voting?”
Are you fucking retarded, Pudster? There you go again, off on another Quixotic rant. You apparently read something I wrote and got a meaning that nobody else gets out of it. Learn to fucking read, you dolt!.
I’ve didn’t claim no dead people voted or that no felons voted. We both know that there were 1,678 illegal votes identified in Bridges ruling.
In fact, since you and I discussed those specific 1,678 votes on the very day Bridges made his ruling here (et seq.), I am astonished that you stoop to calling me a liar. Geez, Pudster, I have never called any poster in the comment thread a liar—I presume they have simply forgotten, are mistaken or are insane when they obvioulsy mis-state something. Which of these apply to your little rant?
Please, Pudster, try to read stuff more carefully.
I had the pleasure of seeing both David Irons and Ron Simms debate at a candidates’ forum last night up here on Beacon Hill. I’ll say that the substance of the debate was a bit lacking on both sides. Simms and Irons said things about Metro’s new hybrid buses that pretty much directly contradicted each other, but due to the format of the debate, the issue was left unresolved.
Simms did a bit of what I would consider to be politicking in saying that what his office did re: the SWA proposal at Boeing Field was merely due diligence and that the county executives’ office is required to consider all airport plans in their jurisdiction or face FAA decertification of the airport. (you’re not just saying this because you’re in a forum where the public support for an airport expansion is exactly zero?)
Let me get to the important part though:
MY FUCKING GOD IS DAVID IRONS A BAD PUBLIC SPEAKER!
He looked stiff. He could not make eye contact with his audience. He has a voice that suits a print journalist, but without the composition and organizational skills.
I’m sympathetic, really. Being in South Seattle can’t be comfortable for David. He’s going to lose this area by the sort of numbers normally associated with the local high school football team going up against the Washington Redskins.
Frankly, with the presentation he gave, he deserves to lose by those sort of numbers.
I’ll bet the two remarks he made that alluded to voting fraud in King County go over really well at meetings of the Republican faithful. In this forum, they made him and the GOP look like poor losers.
He harped on the CAO both through a question posed by the forum’s host, and through two “citizen’s questions” (who knew urban Seattleites cared so much about the CAO?).
I don’t own a 20 acre farm in Duvall that can now no longer be made into subdivisions. If I did, I’d probably care a lot about this issue. The fact that he spent so much time talking about this indicates he has his constituency, and we are so clearly not it.
David did, in fairness, get a little love by saying that he had found funding for some extra parking at a Park and Ride in Issaquah. David does not reflexively hate public transit. Good.
Irons had a public forum where he could have debated Simms about roads, about public transit, about government accountability or a bunch of other things that matter to everybody. No, he isn’t going to win South Seattle this year. But a good showing and I would have said “Hey, Irons is not all bad. He’s worth listening to.” Instead, he wasted the majority of his time with partisan jabs that alientated a room full of Democrats and incessant harping over rural property rights.
He puts the barbs in the old saw about “if God wanted us to vote, he would have given us candidates”.
Comment by SP Fan — 10/13/05 @ 9:13 pm
A-men
Comment by dj — 10/13/05 @ 10:07 pm
Monday will be a day of truth, eh?
Comment by dj — 10/13/05 @ 10:22 pm
dj, kiss my a**.
Comment by Puddybud — 10/13/05 @ 11:30 pm
Brilliant :-)
Comment by Richard Pope — 10/14/05 @ 1:30 am
Well-said. Couldn’t agree more. Maybe Dino Rossi would be weeks away from winning a third time…
Comment by jsa on beacon hill — 10/14/05 @ 6:16 am
His job isn’t to speak, it’s to lead.
Let me try to reply to you all:
#1. Ron Sims, Dean Logan, et. al. did not comply w/ the law. They still are not.
#2. I agree – the GOP info should have been released upon discovery, as per Sound Politics standards.
#3. To those who’d like me to shut my pie-hole, try instead screaming at Dean Logan for giving the GOP a free lunch by not having his department clean these rolls.
How many times was this argument hashed and re-hashed last spring – and never with a shred of proof? For those of you who’ve forgotten even the GOP found only a dozen or so double votes in the entire fucking state, and the only voters who admitted voting twice said they voted for Rossi.
Comment by Roger Rabbit— 10/13/05 @ 7:17 pm
Hey Wabbit do you think everybody is that NAIVE?
klake @ 123
Hey Wabbit do you think everybody is that NAIVE?
I have to say, it must be somehow comforting to be a hard-core member of the GOP faithful.
When you lose an election, claim fraud and go to court.
When you lose the court battle, claim corruption and go on the blogs.
I could go on, but we’ve heard it all before.
Are you guys wrong about anything, ever, or is it really those bad mean liberals who are beating you up?
http://theemailtheemail.blogspot.com
Enlighten me
Comment by Josef for Honest Elections — 10/14/05 @ 7:49 am
BTW, if this was Talmadge-Irons, I can assure you Phil Talmadge would have won. I was a Talmadge for Governor guy before a Dinocrat.
But my gorilla is going to pummel your gorilla on 8 November, break your elections department and demand nothing less than strict application of the law so we can have faith your county is telling the truth.
Goldy, this post captures my thoughts exactly. Irons, Rossi, Sharkansky, etal, have no shame throwing hissy fits and tearing down our institutions if it gets them into office or if it casts the slightest shadow on their opponents.
For gawd sakes, there are problems in all institutions, things needing to be fixed. When you find out about them, you fix them. It happens in the private sector no less than the public sector.
This crying wolf crap is getting really old.
“Double voters are unacceptable, Goldy.” Woah there Captain Obvious! I could have swarn this was about double registration, and the fact that double voting wasn’t even mentioned.
“Why is it that there are more illegal voters both in quantity and proportionality in King County?” Where did you find this out? I mean if you are going to make a point at least point to a source. You’re just spiiting out some information you may not even know is fact.
127
You can fix it by learning how to count and perform elections right in King County. Until then you donks deseve to get laughed at.
129
Rufus, as soon as Kittitas, Grant, Adams, Garfield, and all your Republican-run counties eliminate every single dual registration, I’ll take a comment such as yours seriously.
130
Dont get me wrong Felix. I not saying that all the other counties are perfect… it just in King county we have a big problem. In comparing the other counties to King county is like comparing J-walkers to felons. There is simply no comparison.
Lost the trust of the people? That already happened awhile ago. 1. The people voted in a Governor that is not in office, 2. Dean “I couldn’t find my ass with a flashlight and a mirror” Logan is still around, 3. King County thinks they are the center of the fucking universe and they’re not, and on a positive note: The people revolted again the illegitimate Queen and got over 420K signatures in 32 days to put her in her place. Hence, trust was a distant memory a long time ago. Period. But, she WASN’T going to raise taxes as evident by her campaign right? Hhhhhmmmmmm…..End run around a voter approved initiative in the name of the “emergency” clause when it is not. Maybe save some $$$$ and take less trips with good ole Gary “I don’t have a bad case of little-man’s syndrome damnit, I don’t”! Locke to China on taxpayers’ dime in the name of “trade”. I like free vacations too!
FYI:
35 posts on this thread by Roger Rodent/Rabbit as of Friday, 101405 at 10:29 AM.
Total posts: 132
=26.5% Roger Rodent’s bullshit
=loser that has nothing better to do all day that sit behind a computer screen and post on this tree hugging, way too left, tofu-eating website.
=tone it down, and get a job douche-bag.
131
Let’s pretend there was another very large city and very large county in Washington – where the populace was skewed toward the Republicans roughly to the same degree that King is skewed toward the Democrats …
Do you contend this hypothetical county would have any less of a problem with dual registrants, felons, and all the other problems that every elections office in the country has to deal with?
The numbers in that hypothetical situation would be similar to King’s, I am certain. In fact, you could go look up Dallas or Phoenix or Kansas City and I bet you’d find not much difference.
The numbers of errors in King are a factor of its large population. As a percentage of the total population, it has been well-documented here and elsewhere that there are other counties in our state, many of them dominated by Republicans, that have more of a vote counting problem than King.
Felix Fermin-133 ‘..it has been well-documented here and elsewhere..’
Where? Links? (preferrably not HA)
Felix Fermin-133 ‘Do you contend this hypothetical county would have any less of a problem with dual registrants, felons, and all the other problems that every elections office in the country has to deal with?’
Yes. It is all relative.
http://www.ac4vr.com/news/acvr.....attle.html
@83
Man, you’re suffering from some serious fantasies! Have you already stocked your medicine cabinet with a supply of Zits-B-Gone?
@88
Well if that’s what you want then stop running over my children on Aurora Avenue with your damn cars!
Comment by Mark1 — 10/14/05 @ 10:17 am
Can I claim credit for this one? (Wink, blush)
@95
“Last I checked the best two out of three wins anyway.”
Only in baseball or horseshoes, jackass! In an election, only the last recount, counts.
To say that Rossi “won” because he led the first two counts is like saying the Seahawks “won” if they led the game at the half, and at the end of the 3rd quarter, even though they were behind when the whistle blew on the 4th quarter.
Or, putting it another way, dumb shits like you might argue that if the Mariners scored in the 1st inning and led until the bottom of the 9th, then Mariner pitching gave up a game-winning home run to the opponents, the Mariners “won” because they won 8 innings and the other team won only 1 inning.
You are a dumbass, and that is a dumbass argument!
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/14/05 @ 11:39 am
Nice counter-sarcasm.
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/14/05 @ 11:46 am
For once, I concur w/ you. On that point and that point only.
@97
Even though I’m just a cute fluffly little bunny with pink ears and a cottontail, I can do statistical analysis just as good as Stefan can — like this:
Field research indicates that 99.9999% of Republican trolls are ignorant, uninformed, dumb shits who march in lockstep with whatever the right wing talking heads or blogs tell them to think.
Because Righton is a Republican troll, extrapolating from the above evidence proves to a 99.9999% probability that Righton is an ignorant, uninformed, dumb shit who marches in lockstep with whatever the right wing talking heads or blogs tell him to think.
You like? I like!
Reply to 105
Is that you, Cynical? Are you in hiding from Mrs. Cynical?
Comment by Mark1 — 10/14/05 @ 10:31 am
Yeah and I get to reply to this jackal. Wish me fair winds and following seas in Marummy Country, where we go deep and score! :-).
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/14/05 @ 11:53 am
Why do I think you’re cynicism incarnate.
106
You forgot to mention I’m a cute fluffy bunny with an AK-47 patiently waiting for Ann Coulter to try to arrest me for being a Democrat.
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/14/05 @ 11:54 am
She’s too busy to deal w/ piss-ants like you (and me)
I just gave $30 to Irons for Executive, BTW. Ha, ha.
Want me to donate some more to keep that “tragedy” from happening?
Oh, by the way Josef @ 90, I’ve never seen you repudiate or criticize Coulter or her remarks. Are you repudiating or criticizing her? I wish more Republicans would. She needs to be marginalized … she needs to just go away.
The GOP will never be a respectable political party as long as they continue inviting a violent inciter like Coulter to their functions. By doing so, they are endorsing her, and making her views their own.
150
And why didn’t Bush sic federal prosecutors on Pat Robertson for threatening the lives of Supreme Court justices and a foreign leader? Isn’t that a crime?
@107
“If you are honest you will find what numerous studies over the last couple decades have already discovered… democrats are the overwhelming cause of voter fraud.”
Care to share with us some factual evidence of this sweeping generalization?
Who did those “studies,” the RNC? The Weekly Standard? Ann Coulter? Did Richard Scaife fund those “studies?”
Reply to 11
“outrageous and extremly offensive replies”
You’re new here, aren’t you? This is a liberal blog. Offending right wing trolls is what we do here.
If you don’t like it, go back to fucking Free Republic or whatever other right-wing zoo you escaped from.
Ooops, that should read “Reply to 111”
13
God save us! Another wingy troll using racist spellings. You assholes need a new theme. How about the Simpsons? You can all do impersonations of the Simpsons. Hell, you don’t need to impersonate — you ARE the Simpsons!
Ooops, that should read “113”
There’s grape jelly stuck under the “1” key of my keyboard
Reply to 119
The problem is not with Stefan’s field efforts — he deserves a “B” for effort — but with his conclusions: Garbage in, garbage out.
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/14/05 @ 11:57 am
I repudiate the woman. Happy now?
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/14/05 @ 12:08 pm
Then challenge his so-called garbitious conclusions.
Stefan is not a legitimate researcher because he approaches the issue with a preconceived result and is selectively parsing the public records in an after-the-fact effort to justify the conclusions he dreamed up months ago in order to serve his purely partisan agenda. There’s absolutely no scientific, statistical, or journalistic integrity or validity in what he does.
Reply to 158
Yes! You are indeed a gentleman and a scholar, and I wish you and Marummy a long and happy life together. (Does she know anything about this happy union yet?)
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/14/05 @ 12:11 pm
Easier said than done. But The Seattle Times and others take him seriously.
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/14/05 @ 12:12 pm
You didn’t get 83’s preposition…
That was just to further the debate.
@120
“Geez, Pudster, I have never called any poster in the comment thread a liar—I presume they have simply forgotten, are mistaken or are insane when they obvioulsy mis-state something.”
dj, you are way too generous to these lying troll assholes like Puttybutt. He deserves no quarter, and you should give him none.
Reply to 124
Most liberals are better informed than you, and hardly any Republicans are.
Hell, even I’m better informed than you, and I’m only a cute fluffly 7 3/4 -lb. bunny with pink ears, a cottontail, and some contusions and bruises where Mrs. Rabbit smacked me with the frying pan last night. Domestic violence!! Call 9-11!!! Rabid rabbit on the loose — call Animal Control!!! Call Ron Sims!!!! No, on second thought, don’t call Ron Sims.
Reply to 125
They’re getting the shit kicked out of them by a cute fluffy 7 3/4-lb. bunny.
Reply to 127
Hey Josef, would you and Stefan like to work for us? We have a job for you both to do — in Florida and Ohio, where the corrupt GOP-controlled election machinery will make your heads spin!
@134
“35 posts on this thread by Roger Rodent/Rabbit as of Friday, 101405 at 10:29 AM.”
So what? This is a liberal blog. Liberal bunnies are allowed to post here. If you don’t like it, go back to fucking Free Republic or whatever right-wing zoo you escaped from. Who makes you read HorsesAss anyway?
You got a problem wih a poster, write your fucking whiny little complaint here [ ] and e-mail it to Goldy.
Hey Mark1, if you read Free Republic you won’t have to put up with Roger Rabbit — I got kicked off Free Republic. They don’t allow free speech or liberal opinions there. They only allow right wing nuts who threaten violence against government officials to post there.
I think this is going to make 200 comments.
But I’m not going to dignify each one of Roger Rabbit’s 75-100 w/ a response.
@137
Do you mean to say that linking us to a right-wing propaganda mill is the best you can do?
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@134
“tone it down”
drop dead
@145
“Wish me fair winds and following seas in Marummy Country, where we go deep and score!”
Huh?? Aren’t you mixing metaphors? Did your English 101 prof allow that? My English 101 prof didn’t allow that — automatic “D” on the paper.
Comment on 148
“She’s too busy to deal w/piss-ants like you”
But you’re not.
163
What does 83 have to do with my comment at 12:12 pm?
Wow! We’re up to 175 comments already! This is a kick-ass thread! Stefan usually gets only 4 or 5 comments per thread.
@170
So far you’ve seen fit to dignify only 40 or 50 of my comments with a response.
So if you aren’t going to dignify me by responding, why do you keep responding to me?
What Stephan is really promoting is just an extension of the Culture of Corruption that is the hallmark of modern day conservatism. He is desperately trying to make case for fraud in KCE which simply does not exists. He is attempting to cast doubt in the public’s mind about our election system and the foundation of democracy.
The same thing that is happening locally is happening on the national level. The cronyism, corruption, and crime that is being perpetrated by the leadership of the Republican Party is dividing this nation.
If there is one thing we all should remember from our from Ancient History class is Aesop’s famous quote: United we stand, divided we fall.
I simply do not understand “conservatives” who cloak themselves in patriotism, then blindly give their support to the conservative leaders who are Hell bent on destroying America from the inside out.
Why don’t you believe your own eyes?
If the exact same things were happening on President Clintons watch, you’d be screaming for impeachment — or worse. You know it, I know it, and the whole world knows it. Why do you, then, give a pass to people you know in your heart are ruining America, but wouldn’t stand for it if they had a (D) next to their name?
The ideals of conservatism are doing more to destroy America than anything Al Qaeda could possibly hope to accomplish.
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/14/05 @ 12:44 pm
“dignify each one” (Emphasis added)
Don’t you dare lecture me on English, anymore.
Roger Rabbit @ 165
Josef donated $30 to Irons and cannot afford his Ritalin this month. It is going to be a long month with lots of nonsense coming from that boy….
Reply to 180
The proper wording of that sentence is, “Don’t you dare lecture me concerning English anymore.” The word “on” means on top of something, e.g., “Josef is on top of Marummy.” By inserting the comma, you created a dangling participle (or, if “anymore” is not a participle, a dangling something-or-other), which is a no-no. You shouldn’t mix your methaphors, either.
It’s lunch time! I’m gonna hop up the street to Keystone Place and Stefan’s garden, and shit on his lawn. Later, guys!
Roger Rabbit @ 182
Are you sure you’re a “cute little fluffy” bunny?
You seem more like one of those bunnies that morphs into a huge, wild eyed monster-bunny whose fur is matted in mud and blood with huge fangs and razor sharp claws that have pieces of conservative flesh hanging off of them.
Yikes! I’m glad I’m on your side. Want a carrot from Stephan’s garden? I know where he lives.
Comment by dj — 10/14/05 @ 12:46 pm
You allege something that is not true.
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/14/05 @ 12:51 pm
I wanted to pause for effect.
reply to 136
from wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W.....on%2C_2004
you can take the number of vote changes per county
divide by the total vote
to get error rate per capita
here’s a random sampling:
County – Error rate per capita
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Asotin: 0.1737%
Franklin: 0.1578%
Kitsap: 0.1375%
Okanogan: 0.1185%
Adams: 0.0982%
King: 0.0631%
I pulled 5 at random and included King … King is the lowest of the bunch. hmmmm.
Felix;
Thanks for the link to the left-leaning source that also said, “Bridges also removed five votes from the final count: four for Rossi and one for Ruth Bennett after hearing testimony from convicted felons who had voted for both candidates.”
Not double voters. Nice to be acknowledged to be right.
At comment 188, 189 or 190, I’m going to pose this question:
In 1998, KING-5 dug up double voters because of marriage and you can watch in WMV. Why are you not enraged that Ron Sims’ administrations have not dealt with this? Or Democrats in the state legislature?
wikipedia is a left-leaning website? an encyclopedia? wtf!?!?
I guess I should have linked to the sec’y of state’s web page where the exact same numbers are posted:
http://vote.wa.gov/general/rec.....ounty.aspx
Comment by Felix Fermin — 10/14/05 @ 1:56 pm
No real controversy intended. Good sources, BTW.
@134 Roger Rodent:
Keep proving my point. Hardy-har-har.
Josef @ 187
‘Thanks for the link to the left-leaning source that also said, “Bridges also removed five votes from the final count: four for Rossi and one for Ruth Bennett after hearing testimony from convicted felons who had voted for both candidates.”’
Not much left leaning there—that is simply factual. It is not complete, though. There was additional evidence of each individual’s voter preference, like donating money to Shrub’s campaign.
“Not double voters. Nice to be acknowledged to be right. “
Ummmm … not sure what you are saying here. The votes that Bridges removed were not double votes, they were illegal felon votes. Has somebody claimed otherwise? Or, are you just off in your own private Disneyland again?
Comment by dj — 10/14/05 @ 2:24 pm
Claims they were double votes were in this thread.
Roger Rabbit-171 ‘Do you mean to say that linking us to a right-wing propaganda mill is the best you can do?’
The chairman is buddies with your heroes Jimmy Carter and Paul Simon.
Again, the wabbit substitutes farts for conversation. You must have confused the organization with every other organization you know nothing about. Not that it would be hard to do, as there are so many.
Brian A. Lunde, Board Chairman
Brian A. Lunde has served at the highest professional levels within the national Democratic Party. Since beginning his political career as a field coordinator for the 1976 Jimmy Carter for President campaign, Mr. Lunde has served as Executive Director of the Democratic National Committee (DNC), as Campaign Manager for the Presidential bid of Senator Paul Simon, and as Director of two winning campaigns for the DNC Chairmanship (Chuck Manatt in 1981 and Paul Kirk in 1985).
GBS-179 ‘The ideals of conservatism are doing more to destroy America than anything Al Qaeda could possibly hope to accomplish.’
Then why is it that the lefties in the US always seemed lined up with Al Qaeda? They want the same thing to happen in Iraq, they both prefer that terrorism be dealt with as a police action rather than with pre-emptive military, and they both prefer purely random searches at airports and subways.
yearight @ 194
You cherry-picking asshole. Try this from their web site
(http://www.ac4vr.com/news/acvrnews071905.html)
“The American Center for Voting Rights, formed in February 2005 by former Republican political and legal strategists to investigate election law abuses, has brought on board a Democrat amid criticism the group did not have one in its leadership.”
It looks like you are the one who doesn’t know what the fuck you are talking about.
Regarding Lunde: Remember, a decade ago, Harriet Miers was a Catholic Democrat, too.
Comment by dj — 10/14/05 @ 3:06 pm
Well, they made the guy chairman.
BTW, 90+ minutes later – no replies yet to my provocative comment.
dj-198 ‘It looks like you are the one..’
This group has embraced the CURRENT Carter/Baker election report. Did you even read their stuff, or is the reflexive “defend KCE at all costs” your motive?
What grade are you in by the way?
Reply to 184
“You seem more like one of those bunnies that morphs into a huge, wild eyed monster-bunny whose fur is matted in mud and blood with huge fangs and razor sharp claws that have pieces of conservative flesh hanging off of them.”
Shhhh! You tryin’ to give me away?! Let ’em thing I’m a cute fluffy 7 3/4-lb. bunny, or Dean Logan, or ….
It was radiation from Hanford leaking into the Columbia river that made me what I am today.
“Want a carrot from Stephan’s garden? I know where he lives.”
So do I — the dumb fuck published his home address on his own web site. I wouldn’t do that — too many creeps out there.
@195
“Then why is it that the lefties in the US always seemed lined up with Al Qaeda?”
Let me ask you the same question in slightly different form.
“Are you still beating your wife?”
Holy smackers!!! This thread has reached 200 posts in 1 day!!! Stefan is lucky if he gets 4 or 5 posts in a thread. HorsesAss is Number One!!!
this site is boring
Thank you for confirming to me and my Deepnet Explorer browser how much you care about truly clean elections and holding Ron Sims accountable to you.
Thank you for confirming to me and my Deepnet Explorer browser how much you care about truly clean elections and holding Ron Sims accountable to you. In 1998 he was well aware that there were duplicate registrations. In 2004 and this year he was made acutely aware of this. He has done nothing to protect you the voter from cheats – so $30 for Heavy Irons, round I.
yea-wrong @ 195
Apparently you are suffering from cranial-rectum inversion. You need to immediately stand up straight, take a deeeeeep breath of FRESH air into your lungs, hold it, hold it, now let it out slowly. Repeat several time.
There doesn’t the oxygen rushing to your brain feel better?
Know what that feeling is? That’s right! Your neurons are beginning to fire. You’re experiencing what is know as “your own thoughts.”
Neat, huh?
OK, now drop the right wing rhetoric and come up with some original thought, other than the one Karl “The soon to be indicted treasonist” Rove is putting out that is designed to divide America.
The light is probably blinding your eyes right now. Give it a few minutes and check out some real news beside the right wing spin machine called Fox “News.”
Roger Rabbit @ 199
Dude, when you turn into a 600 lb monster bunny, you’re not fooling anybody.
You know something folks, if you all had just demanded Ron Sims get his act together – he could brag about being as innovative as a certain junior US Senator from our state about cleansing the multiple voters.
To quote the King County Executive-Elect,
Q. “Would you speak to these individualized acts of fraud…?”
A. “When an individual votes twice or three times or, in some cases, four times with full knowledge that they are personally voting multiple times in an election, that’s fraud. When a person knows that they’re given a provisional ballot, and told the process for a provisional ballot and purposefully walks up and puts in the process, in the machine, that’s an act of fraud. When a felon goes back and reregisters after they’ve been told they’ve lost their right to vote, that is also an individual act of fraud. and we have had hundreds, we’ve seen, I’ve read in all your media sources – hundreds of those acts have taken place in this county.”
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Irons: “The biggest single problem I’m having with the election, from purely an intellectual standpoint, is that our processes were in place that allowed these individual acts of fraud to take place. If we had had the processes that we’ve had – and quite frankly in the past, where we simply followed our own processes, many of these would not have been able to take place. Why in our own courthouse where people were voting, when we found that we had people walking up and putting in provisional ballots, when we have Sheriff’s office literally feet away… and this happened all day long, why didn’t one of the elections official walk over and said, Dave Reichart, you have a vested interest in this, you want to come over and have somebody stand here. I’m sorry, that’s what we have officers for and certainly we could free up an officer stand next to a ballot box, the processing machine to make sure the provisional ballots weren’t being illegally inserted, and that is fraud”.
yearight @ 198
“This group has embraced the CURRENT Carter/Baker election report.”
Yea, so, there is a lot of common ground in that report. What is your point?
“Did you even read their stuff, or is the reflexive “defend KCE at all costs” your motive?”
That’s funny. I was going to as if you read their stuff. You were the one who tried to portray it as a left-wing institute. I meerly pointed out that it started as a Repug thinktank that then went out and hired a token “Democrat”.
My motive? Primarily to call you on your misleading bullshit.
Oh and Fraudiore Fan, on your stalker blog, bring it on.
Well, folks the WSRP just sent me some talking/blogging points:
Earlier this week, the King County and Washington State Republicans Parties revealed that King County Elections has over 6,000 duplicate voter registrations. This revelation comes right after a series of well publicized “reforms†initiated by King County Executive Ron Sims. Councilmember David Irons, who is challenging Sims for KC Executive, blasted his lack of leadership in trying to reestablish the public’s trust in the county’s elections system.
http://www.davidirons.org
6,000 – my, oh, my.
More talking points/blogging points:
Senate Republican Legislative Update
Meaningful election reform means photo ID requirement
By Sen. Pam Roach
Special to the Washington State Republican Party
During last year’s horror show known as the aftermath of the governor’s race, it was painfully clear that some long-overdue election reforms would finally be enacted in our state – or so we had hoped.
Voters throughout Washington were flabbergasted with the mistakes that surfaced during the recount process in the gubernatorial contest between Dino Rossi and Christine Gregoire. Not just Republicans but many Democrats were upset with the numerous blunders committed by King County’s election department. Distrust in our elections system reached an all-time high. In meetings around the state, voters in both parties wanted photo ID and proof of citizenship as requirements.
With the bitterness over the governor’s election still in the air, the Legislature convened last session with Republicans and Democrats alike sponsoring hordes of election reform bills. While some of the proposals that were passed into law actually provide meaningful reform, there is one glaring omission – a flat-out requirement that voters provide photo ID when they go to the polls.
Instead of requiring voters to bring photo ID, which would be the best way to make sure a voter is who he or she claims to be, majority Democrats in the Legislature allowed voters to bring less-reliable forms of ID, such as a utility bill or bank statement.
The Carter-Baker Commission on Federal Election Reform recently issued a report. Among its 87 recommendations: States should require voters to present a “REAL ID†card and provide non-drivers with a free photo ID card for voting. States might balk at the cost of providing free voting ID cards, but it’s a small price to pay to ensure fair elections and ballot integrity. Washington voters learned that the hard way last fall.
Real election reform won’t occur until photo ID and proof of citizenship are required for voters. If the Legislature won’t do this, we run the risk of individuals or organizations launching initiatives that require photo ID at the polls and requiring proof of citizenship. We know what the people want. We should provide the leadership to deliver.
Sen. Pam Roach, R-Auburn, is ranking Republican on the Senate Government Operations and Elections Committee.
No more talking points from the WSRP.
I just want to be open source like many of you, okay :-)?
@201 Roger Rodent:
UPDATE: As of 5:39 PM, Friday Oct. 14th;
Total posts on this thread: 212
Total Roger Rodent posts: 70
Roger Rodent has 33.02 %
equals: loudmouthed loser with nothing better to do.
Also, Roger Rodent at 201 is awed that there is over 200 total posts, even though the above stats are his. Must be a brain-surgeon by trade. Lonely, lonely, meaningless life existence. I almost feel sorry for him-almost.
Josef @ 207
To quote the King County Executive-Elect
Ummm…Josef there is not KC Executive-Elect right now. Only candidates…
Are we to assume you are quoting Irons?
If so, holy shit, Irons is even stupider than I ever imagined.
He seems to attribute all of the disenfranchised felon votes and all of the unvalidated provisional votes to individual fraud???? Geez … even the GOP lawyers recognized that most of these were probably honest mistakes.
Also, there were 6 double voters total, as I recall, and no cases of tripple and quadruple voting. To put that in context: 6 DUAL VOTES OUT OF NEARLY 3,000,000.
Why does Irons feel he needs to lie and exaggerate on the issue?
And Josef, you are going to condem Sims to hell because there were 6 dual voters? Ha ha ha ha! You are fucking wacked, man!
Mark1 @ 213
RR is just trying to keep up with our little ADHD boy, Josef with 58 (and counting) posts. That is close to 30%
@206
Can I help loving to eat?!!!
@207
Gee Josef, your heart’s in the right place, now let’s see you put some of that energy into cleaning up Florida and Ohio so we don’t get stuck with another unelected coke-sniffing president.
@210
Hmmm … 6,000 duplicate registrations out of 1,082,406 registered voters (as of Nov. 2004, per SoS data) … that’s an error rate of slightly over 1/2 of 1%. Sims was right — King County is over 99% accurate.
I’ll bet few, if any, of the Republican counties can claim 99%-plus accuracy on duplicate registrations.
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Yeah, you Republicans would just love a “proof of citizenship” requirement, wouldn’t you? It would discriminate against the poor, elderly, and minorities more effectively than outright racism ever did.
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So fucking what? This is a free country! Free speech, ya know? Is there a law against liberal bunnies posting on liberal blogs? Hey, if you don’t like it — go fuck yourself!!
@215
Josef is racking up all those posts because he can’t stand the idea of letting a 7 3/4-lb. bunny getting in the last word — or more posts than him.
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WOW this thread is up to 240 posts already! That’s more than Stefan gets on his entire blog in a month!
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/14/05 @ 6:36 pm
Nice cooking. I’ll go watch some more ACLS.
Roger Rabbit-200 ‘Let me ask you the same question in slightly different form.’
You forgot to address the examples I gave.
‘They want the same thing to happen in Iraq, they both prefer that terrorism be dealt with as a police action rather than with pre-emptive military, and they both prefer purely random searches at airports and subways.’
That is what you call parallel objectives.
GBS-205 ‘Apparently you are suffering from cranial-rectum inversion.’
You forgot to refute the point as well. Are you and the wabbit teaming up on everything?
@243
Do you seriously expect me to read, much less respond to, a post that begins with “Then why is it that the lefties in the US always seemed lined up with Al Qaeda?”
BTW, are you still beating your wife?
Why won’t you answer my question, yearight? I asked you a question: Are you still beating your wife?
Roger Rabbit: “Guvment” employee with little or no private sector skills and little or no life. Typical Democrat “guvment” hack.
dj-208 ‘You were the one who tried to portray it as a left-wing institute.’
I did no such thing. The wabbit thought it was right-wing stuff. I noted some things to show it was balanced.
Roger Rabbit-245 ‘Do you seriously expect me to read, much less respond to, a post..’
No. Sometimes no response provides the most information.
247
I didn’t “think” it’s a right-wing propaganda organ — that’s a fact.
It’s hardly a non-partisan, objective, intellectually honest advocacy group. Not even close. Not within a fucking country mile. Their charter is to parrot the GOP “voting reform” line. If the GOP or this ersatz “institute” was really interested in voting reform they’d investigate and prosecute Ken Blackwell and Katherine Harris for vote fraud.
I notice “yearight” won’t answer my question. So why should I answer his question? Screw him!
Hmmm, Josef disappeared, run off by a 7 3/4-lb. bunny.
Comment by dj — 10/14/05 @ 6:03 pm
If you would do some research, like I have, before you shot off your mouth I’d reply point-by-point.
Wow! This thread is over 250 posts in less than 24 hours!! Ya gotta admit Mark the Redneck’s b.s. about thousands of people voting twice provoked a lot of controversy. The trolls are in denial. They refuse to admit that only 6 people out of 3 million voters voted twice … the cheaters are Republicans … photo ID wouldn’t have kept a single ineligible felon from voting … because it blows their phony “election reform” (which is really designed to suppress the Democratic vote) out of the water! Republicans are lying bastards who are against democracy and free elections because they want a free hand to rip off the rest of us!
Gee, Josef, I spoke too soon … for a minute there I thought you got on the wrong bus …
So, Josef, if dj did more research he would find out who the King County Executive-elect is? For which year? 2002? yes, that’s researchable — his name was Ron Sims.
Hey Joe, are you saying dj was wrong that Washington has 3 million registered voters? That’s researchable too — according to the SoS web site, Washington had 3,508,208 registered voters as of Nov. 2004. After you subtract an estimated 6,000 duplicate registrations, that’s about 3.5 million registered voters. So yeah, dj was off a little, that’s 6 double votes out of 3.5 million, not 3.0 million.
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/14/05 @ 8:33 pm
I just want clean elections, you lying bastard monkey motherf—er.
You banging a Gregoire, tonight?
One more time, lying bastard monkey motherf—er, hit THIS WMV link and watch the 1-9-9-8 KING-5 report of the very same problem. Yes, the guy hosting this is a good pal of mine.
What was done about this? Call your pal Ron, will ya?
So Joe, are you saying dj was wrong when he said there were 6 double votes in the 2004 election? Do you have some other number? Would you care to share it with us? Along with WHERE you got it, and PROOF of its accuracy?
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/14/05 @ 8:36 pm
2002? I never said that.
As far as David Irons Executive-Elect, that’s a bit of teasing, okay?
Let’s see, I think that covers dj’s points in his 6:03 post, it was quite a short post which said like only 3 things, so which of those 3 things is dj wrong about Joe?
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/14/05 @ 8:41 pm
Apparently you’re taking this too far. I was referring to the acts of fraud being acts of fraud.
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There’s a lying bastard here but it ain’t me — I fuck female rabbits, not monkeys or Gregoires.
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Teasing? Bullshit, you mean, because Irons doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in Hell. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a Sims-lover, I’d like to see some other Democrat in that office but since a quisling like Irons is the best you Repubs can do I’m hold my nose and vote for Sims again.
I took apart Josef’s silly post @ 253 point-by-point and he responded by calling me a “lying bastard monkey motherfuck-r.”
Looks like I won THAT argument!
Hey scorekeeper, what are we up to now, Rabbit’s total posts vs. Josef total posts? Is he gaining on me, like Mrs. Rabbit with her frying pan did last night?
Maybe I should do another of those “passive aggressive” posts.
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/14/05 @ 8:49 pm
In your dreams.
WOW! We’re up to 267 posts! This sure is an active thread! Stefan is lucky to get 4 or 5 posts in a thread.
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/14/05 @ 8:46 pm
If he didn’t have a chance, why the misleading radio ad today?
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/14/05 @ 8:52 pm
Try sometimes over 100…
Hey Josef, don’t get your panties in a twist, I think you and I are the only ones still reading the posts in this thread.
Aftger all, how many people are willing to wade through 257 comments just to see you call me a “lying bastard monkey motherfuck-r?”
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/14/05 @ 8:54 pm
You called me a lying bastard, BTW.
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@271
I’ll check later to see how many posts Stefan has today. I don’t want him to be able to track me down and come after me with a 12-gauge! Unlike Stefan, I don’t post my name and address on the internet — because there’s too many wackos out there!! For example, just tonight, some wacko posted on HorsesAss that I’m a “lying bastard monkey motherfuck-r.” Who ever heard of a rabbit fucking monkeys? Anybody who thinks like that probably peeps in windows too. We already know you’re stalking Mary Lane, Josef, God only knows what else you might be capable of!
Hey Joe — do you have a picture of Marummy taped on the wall above your commode to jerk off to?
Or are you really Jo — a lezzie with a crush on Zits?
Hey, #1 this doesn’t involve my SecDef.
#2. “Republicans are lying bastards who are against democracy and free elections because they want a free hand to rip off the rest of us!” (SOURCE)
Shut your pie-hole, Rabbit. You’re a hypocrite. Next post will define that.
All from Dictionary.com:
Hypocrite: “A person given to hypocrisy.”
Hypocrisy: “The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.”
For someone to believe to be offended by my retaliatory use of profanity, they’d have to be offended enough not to use that themselves. Or at the very least not initiate that act or acts.
You did, therefore you are a hypocrite.
I’m coming back in 12 hours.
Or less.
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“You called me a lying bastard, BTW.”
You called me a “lying bastard” first! Besides, that’s not name-calling, it’s just stating a fact — I don’t fuck monkeys, I fuck female rabbits, so you were lying when you called me a “monkey motherfuck-r.” Your name-calling is no better than your English. If you’d had my English 101 prof you would’ve got an “F” on any paper in which you guessed at a fact instead of looking it up. This is a researchable fact because I’ve stated many times on HA that I fuck female bunnies, and I’ve never said anything about fucking monkeys.
As far as whether you’re a “bastard,” I can’t imagine you having a mother.
So it’s probably a fact that you’re a bastard, too.
Further to the point of whether Josef is a liar, he asserted @271 that Stefan gets “100 posts” but when I checked Sucky Politics earlier this afternoon I saw only 6 comments on Stefan’s posts for the whole day (i.e., today). And you can’t even read those, because if you click on “Comments,” all you get is a message saying, “Sorry, comments have been temporarily disabled due to comment spam.” So apparently somewhere between 1 and 6 of those comments were by liberal posters who disagree with Stefan!!
UPDATE:
As of 9:11 PM, Friday, Oct. 14th;
Roger Rodent now has a total of 118 posts on this thread out of 279 total posts.
That is 42.3%
(almost half)
@254 Roger Rodent states that: ‘Wow! This is over 250 posts in 24 hours!’
Of course when you are the source of 42.3 % of the total, then strangely enough it shouldn’t come as a suprise. (Obviously in Roger’s delusions it does)
I’ll bet Roger sits his fat ass in a bathrobe all fucking day, glued to this site as if it were a religon.
My advice: Seek help from a medical professional; and upon completion of that, get a life. Poor bunny.
If you’re not a lying bastard, Josef, you’re at least an exaggerating bastard. That’s not name-calling, it’s just stating facts.
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Scorekeeper, how many posts does Josef have now? Is he gaining on me?
Make that plus four more posts in the time it took me to type my post at 287.
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Looks like the Rabbit ran off Josef for real this time. Hope you got on the right bus, Jo!
Josef sure is thin-skinned. He comes to a liberal blog, posts bullshit, then lets himself get sucked into a fur fight with a 7 3/4-lb. bunny and runs for the #358 bus when he gets his shins kicked 118 times by my powerful hind feet with razor-sharp claws!
What the fuck did he expect? Hey Joe, if you want to participate in a GOP circle jerk, go to Free Republic or Sucky Politics.
Not worried about Josef. Did I hit a nerve there Rodent? Hehe. Signing off now, as I unlike you, have more important things to do tonight. I’ll be eager to see the numbers tomorrow A.M. Cheers!
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Since when is 118 half of 279? 118 x 2 = 236 not 279
typical Republican math
WOW! This thread needs only 6 more posts to break 300! Of course, only 2 people are still reading it, and they’re both Republican troll-idiots.
It’s easy to suck these trolls in. They’re stupid.
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/14/05 @ 9:22 pm
Comment by Mark1 — 10/14/05 @ 9:22 pm
I’m back. I think Roger Rabbit cannot read a complete comment, like, “I’m coming back in 12 hours. Or less.”
Mark1, I presume you and I should tag-team this rascal.
Well, then answer my question HERE
Wabbit- Wow! This is over 250 posts in 24 hours
No problem, what with hundreds of one-liners that provide no real information or effective rebuttals. A sixth-grade project could do better.
The wabbits of this world do not want any real voting reform. With all of the knee-jerk defense of the current system it really makes one wonder if there isn’t a more organized system of fraud intact on the left. The old canards about disenfranchisement, voter ID requirements, etc. are getting old and ineffective. When the left has to pay people to ride buses to the polls it is clear those voters could care less about voting.
The real irritant tonight came when I suggested that the HA “team” and associated lefties have exactly the same goals for Iraq and the war on terror as our enemies. It seems that I hit a soft spot, as not one of the replies adressed those parallel objectives. No, none of you are likely to be card-carrying Al Qaeda members, yet the goals are the same.
Or my assertation HERE about Ron Sims’ grand royale incompetentence.
Comment by yearight — 10/14/05 @ 9:32 pm
We are apparently talking to a wall, here. At least we aren’t getting (too) sucked in. I’m up beyond my time-to-grab-the-Atlantic-Monthly because I just like tormenting this blow-dry.
Aaah, the big 3-0-0.
WOW! This thread has over 300 posts!!!!
Stefan got only 6 comments today, and you can’t even read those, because he blocked — he called them “spam.” We may assume because he didn’t like their content. Six lousy posts, and he has to block them. Poor Stefan can’t get a break by jumping off a roof.
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What question? All I see in that link is Goldy’s comment and 301 posts. Did you ask a question in there somewhere?
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Do you have a problem with giving old people and poor people bus fare so they can vote? Although I’m not aware of the Democrats doling out bus fare to voters — did they? That doesn’t sound illegal to me. Political parties have been providing transportation to voters since horse and buggy days. This is news?
Speaking of David Irons, while Ron Sims attacks him for leaving a failing buisness venture as Chief Operating Officer, David Irons went on to create Convention Communication Provisioners Inc. Do a Google of them and what’s the first hit?
Try your State Convention and Trade Center website. That buisness is still up and running, BTW.
Gotta tell ya, Ron that was a low-ball that’ll backfire on you.
BTW, Councilor Irons says he was “Chief Operations Officer of Brigadoon.com – 1995 to 1997” and has been honest about his association w/ that group. More than I can say for the Big Citizen.
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The ID requirements you Repugs want wouldn’t have stopped 1 illegal vote in 2004, but would have kept dozens if not hundreds or thousands of legitimate voters from voting. That’s why we liberals don’t support your bullshit ID scam — because the problem it’s supposed to solve doesn’t exist, and its sole purpose is to get a partisan advantage by suppressing Democratic turnout. Fuck you!!! The Democratic Party will continue to oppose this bullshit, and the only way you will ever get it is by stealing enough elections to get enough of your own people in office to enable you to enact this anti-Ameican bullshit!
Roger Rabbit, you’ve convinced me that I need to give you 12-14 hours to calm down and read what I’ve said.
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/14/05 @ 10:06 pm
The ID requirements you Repugs want wouldn’t have stopped 1 illegal vote in 2004
Try removing the need for provisionals, ID’ing felons w/o voting rights restored, stopping the dead from voting, and stopping multiple votes from being cast. It isn’t just the photo – it’s the ID # that’ll be the secret. We could also add thumbprint and hopefully soon DNA data to provide 99.99999% certainity the possessor is true.
but would have kept dozens if not hundreds or thousands of legitimate voters from voting.
Washington Identification Cards for those who need them (like… me) cost $20 (SOURCE)
Comment by Josef for Honest Elections — 10/14/05 @ 10:05 pm
Well, that wasn’t the whole story.
A note to leave off on.
Comment by Josef for Honest Elections — 10/14/05 @ 10:32 pm
F—ing s–tty English.
Try again, now w/ a 5-yard penalty:
Well, what I posted earlier wasn’t the whole story on Convention Communication Provisioners Inc. and their CEO David Irons. In fact they are…
SOURCE
A note to leave off on. Hopefully got the 1st down!
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....er14m.html
Keith Earvin points out the obvious. Do dual registrations happen? Yes. But when many voters take advantage of them to vote twice, that is the issue. And there sure were a lot of double voters in November 2004. Were there enough obvious problems that Logan and team failed to investigate in the 2004 election, that Logan was fully aware of prior to certification? There are a lot of moderate Seattle Democrats who are seeing a lot of news about Logan’s mistakes and will be asking themselves this question. This is a real problem for Ron Sims. There’s a very real chance that he will be defeated. I suspect that’s why many on this post are quite frantic and why the blogger is so defensive.
This is a real problem for Ron Sims. There’s a very real chance that he will be defeated.
Sure pal. That’s why he got 41% of the primary vote with thousands more Democratic votes to come his way, and Irons got 32% of the primary vote with virtually 100% of the GOP (primary)vote with a motivated base. I’ll bet that Irons never breaks 35% in the general.
Comment by John McDonald — 10/15/05 @ 12:15 am
Well said.
Comment by Curtis Love — 10/15/05 @ 7:25 am
He’s about to pull through, thank you very much. This is what happens when you don’t demand better.
UPDATE:
As of 10:04 AM, Sat. Oct. 15th there is:
129 comments by Roger Rodent.
318 totals posts.
That is 40.6% of the total.
@293 Roger Rodent criticizes my math, (@287) but if he read my comment closely, he would see I stated “almost” half. The math itself is correct too.
@300: My pal Josef wants to tag-team this Rodent. Mark1’s answer is yes. Rabbit is easily overpowered anyway, as all his posts offer no intelligent inputand are baced-up by nothing, other that Roger’s own delusions. He’s just a lonely, angry little bunny with nothing to do all day but cash his government cheese checks I suspect.
@293 Rodent is irritated with me beacuse I have not posted any information on Josef’s posts. Why? Josef’s posts at least offer information, substance, and are backed up by someone who obviously has an above average intelligence and an education. Roger, on the other had, appears to have non of the above and probably rode the short bus to school. Maybe even a dropout I suspect. Roger’s post very rarely offer any substance, other than conservitive bashing, and trying to make up for his own lack of self-esteem, confidence, and loneliness. I sincerely hope Rodent finds some professional help for himself.
@313
“Try removing the need for provisionals”
Hate to tell ya this, but the federal HAVA law REQUIRES states to allow provisional ballots. Of course, you Repugs are against anything that HELPS people vote!!
“ID’ing felons w/o voting rights restored”
ALL felons have photo ID, dumbshit! How does an ID card show whether a felon’s voting rights have been restored — when the felon doesn’t know, his parole officer doesn’t know, the county auditor and SoS don’t know, even a battery of lawyers and judges might have a hard time figuring out, given Washington’s confusing civil rights restoration laws? Until ex-felons’ voting status is simplified through legislative reform ID won’t mean a goddam thing. The American Correctional Association supports automatic restoration upon release from custody. The WSRP says nobody should be allowed to vote until all their fines and restitutions are paid — even though fines and restitution are doled out by judges disparately (perhaps discriminately) and sometimes in amounts that no ex-felon could ever repay. But that’s another issue — one for the legislature to deal with.
“stopping the dead from voting”
How does an ID keep spouses (or anyone else) from voting on behalf of a dead person? Was a single one of these votes cast at a polling place? I don’t think so. This problem, like many of the illegal felon votes, crop up in the absentee balloting where ID cards are meaningless and stop nothing. BTW in every case where the candidate receiving a dead vote is known, the vote was for Rossi — so this problem seems to be confined to cheating Republicans. Glad to see your concern about Republicans who commit vote fraud, but you need to think this problem through some more, before going off half-cocked. Your “solution” doesn’t work, in fact it’s irrelevant to the problem. The statewide database will help prevent dead voting by unscrupulous Republicans in the future, although it probably won’t totally eliminate the problem of GOP voting fraud in our state.
“and stopping multiple votes from being cast.”
Once again, there is no evidence that anyone impersonated another voter or cast multiple votes at any polling place, and this problem seems to occur solely in the absentee balloting, and is caused by cheating Republicans.
“It isn’t just the photo – it’s the ID # that’ll be the secret.”
We have an ID# now — it’s called the voter registration card. It didn’t prevent ineligible felons from voting, or spouses from voting on behalf of their dead mates, or double votes. Why would your bullshit photo ID requirement have any more success in preventing illegal voting? It won’t. That’s just a hollow rationalization for a scheme that’s really intended to discourage traditionally Democratic eligible voters from voting. Fuck you, you’ll get your bullshit ID law when Hell freezes over!!!
“We could also add thumbprint and hopefully soon DNA data to provide 99.99999% certainity the possessor is true.”
We could also enact a death penalty for illegal voting and execute the cheating Republicans who cast their dead spouses’ ballots or vote twice, to prevent future recidivism and rid society of these parasites.
You want draconian voting rules? How’s that for a draconian voting rule, you fucking freak.
(squeaky rabbit voice dripping with caustic sarcasm)
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“Mark1, I presume you and I should tag-team this rascal.”
The more, the merrier!!! I’ll take on 100 of you low-life scumbag weasels at once!!! I LOVE KICKING THE SHIT OUT OF REPUBULICANS!!! Almost as much as I love eating, shitting, and fucking.
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“And there sure were a lot of double voters in November 2004.”
Like to give us a firm number for that, John? Before you step in it, let me warn you, the WSRP published their number of ALLEGED double votes and it was as I recall in low double digits — around 28 or something like that — out of more than 3 million votes cast. And nobody knows who those votes were for, but some were in heavily GOP counties — once again suggesting that Democrats are NOT the people who commit voting fraud in this state, by and large.
By far and away, the largest category of illegal votes was ineligible felon, and most of the illegal felon voting was caused by our state’s confusing civil rights restoration laws, not by deliberate lawbreaking by the felons themselves. Even their parole officers couldn’t tell them if they were allowed to vote, so mistakes were made. And — again — statistical evidence indicates the illegal felon votes favored Rossi because most ex-felons in Washington are white males who tend to vote Republican.
Any sensible person would focus legislative reform on clarifying Washington’s ex-felon voting eligibility laws and creating a reliable database for election departments to use for determining voting eligibility. The Democrats got half the job done in last spring’s legislative session by establishing a statewide voter database. The Republicans obstructed the other half by opposing reform of our state’s confusing and complicated ex-felon voting eligibility law.
Trusting Republicans with voting reform is like trusting Republicans with the lives of our soldiers.
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Oh, I think Irons will break 35% next month. He’ll get slightly over 40%.
Hell, he might even get 45%. But he won’t win.
@319
How many posts by Josef are there? Is there some reason why you’re covering up this information? Did Karl Rove tell you to do that? You are nothing but a partisan hack focusing on volume posting by a Democratic bunny while ignoring volume posting by a Repug stalker! Hey Josef you still haven’t answered my question — do you have a picture of Zits taped to the wall above your commode to jerk off to?
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/15/05 @ 10:35 am
Although I shouldn’t dignify this w/ an answer, in the hope you will reply to the fact that in 1998 KING-5 found multiple voter registrations in King County, the answer is a hell no.
Back @ 291 you said RR had 42.3% of the posts, now you say I have 40.6% of the posts — looks like the Repugs are gaining on me.
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/15/05 @ 10:38 am
Good.
@319
“@293 Roger Rodent criticizes my math, (@287) but if he read my comment closely, he would see I stated ‘almost’ half.”
118 of 279 isn’t “almost” half, you lying piece of shit. I suppose the next thing you’re gonna tell us is that Iraq “almost” had WMDs and we’ve “almost” caught Osama and Bush “almost” balanced the budget.
@319 (continued)
“Rabbit is easily overpowered anyway”
In your fucking dreams
@319 (continued)
“He’s just a lonely, angry little bunny with nothing to do all day but cash his government cheese checks I suspect.”
You fucking idiot!!! I don’t eat cheese!!! You’re confusing me with Mickey Mouse. You’re such a dolt you can’t even read a comic book. As I’ve posted on HA many, many times I work the night shift and live off Stefan’s garden.
I’m not angry. I wouldn’t waste the energy it takes to get angry on 2000 lameass wingnut trolls, much less only 2 of you. You’re not worth the effort. I’m just setting the record straight about your lies and bullshit, that’s all. You puss-filled boils are pimples on America’s ass, very similar in liquid composition to the zits on Marummy’s puss. And equally intelligent — i.e., not.
Let’s see, what other bullpucky in #319 do I need to clear the air about? Oh, here’s one.
“Rodent is irritated with me beacuse I have not posted any information on Josef’s posts …”
Don’t flatter yourself. I wouldn’t waste any irritation on a puss-filled boil like you. You’re not worth the effort. All this posting is not for you — I could care less if you exist — the only reason I’m doing this is to run up Goldy’s hits.
Here’s another one.
“Roger … probably rode the short bus to school. Maybe even a dropout I suspect.”
No, I hopped to school, you fucking idiot.
And another …
“Roger’s … loneliness.”
Loneliness is not one of my problems, dummy. I am not lonely. I have 6,998 children. (I would have a lot more if motorists on Aurora Avenue would learn how to fucking drive and stop running over my kids.) If you could read this blog, you would know that, because I’ve posted the statistics on my reproductive productivity many times on this blog. You can’t read this blog any better than John MacDonald can read WSRP’s web site.
@328
“Hell no” to what, whether KING 5 found in 1998 that King County has multiple voter registrations, or that you have a picture of Zits taped to the wall above your commode to jerk off to?
And WTF does KING 5 finding in 1998 that King County has multiple voter registrations have to do with anything? How the hell is KCRE supposed to do anything about double registrations when reporting name changes depends on voluntary reporting by individual voters, and there’s no coherent database to work from? Do you expect them to do the impossible? No, this is just a bullshit GOP talking point — just like all the GOP talking points are bullshit!
The GOP controlled the state senate from Jan. 1995 to Jan. 2005, and during that time, the legislature did not enact a statewide voter database. The Democrats won control of both houses in the Nov. 2004 election, and after taking office in Jan. 2005, it took the Democratic legislature less than 2 months to enact a statewide voter database which will, among other things, help county election departments get a handle on double registrations. Comprende? Republicans criticize, Democrats get things done.
WOW, this thread is almost up to 338 posts
And when I say “almost,” I don’t mean a statistical variance of in excess of 7.5% (279 / 2 – 118 divided by 279 = .077).
When a Repug says “almost” the fucking liar means Iraq “almost” had WMDs, Bush “almost” balanced the budget, and Bush “almost” knows what the fuck he’s doing.
WOW this thread is almost up to 340 posts
Sure is a popular thread!
Although it appears the numbers are to some extent artificially inflated by Josef spamming this thread.
Upon being made aware of this, the Sims Administration should have stopped this. A simple countywide database would have solved this problem.
All that was necessary – and this is from somebody who has done similar work for a Democrat-leaning law firm as a consultant – was for them to put the data into MS Excel the voter registration data and look for apparent doubles such as two people w/ the same birthdate at the same abode (one example of many). They could then pass this information to the County Prosecutor who would then challenge the registrations. Upon challenge, notice would be sent to the person(s) to attend a formal hearing.
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/15/05 @ 11:07 am
The pot calling the kettle black.
@343
There you go again, Disingenuous Jo — you don’t want to give Sims a dime to do anything, yet you expect him to institute optional programs and expand governmental process on thin air! In case you haven’t been paying attention, cash-strapped King County has been laying off employees and downsizing functions to make the square peg of demands from unrealistic citizens such as yourself fit into the round hole of budget reality.
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righton @ 97
“for guys who claim to love empirical evidence, science, you guys sure live by blind faith.
How about this one tonight from stefan “Given that the box contained 1,400 envelopes out of a total 28,000 provisionals counted, a simple extrapolation predicts that about 60 such bogus provisional ballots were counted. That could help explain why there were 111 provisional ballots tabulated in precinct 1823, but only 45 voters credited.”
Sorry, righton, I missed this post until just now, or would have answered it earlier.
Unfortunately, you would have to provide more information on your analyis—it doesn’t make much sense to me the way you have posted it. But, I am wondering about what you mean by “extrapolation.” As any statistician will tell you, extrapolation can be dangerous to your conclusions unless backed up by pretty good theory. In any case, extrapolation is not empirical evidence!
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/15/05 @ 8:01 pm
When did I say, “you don’t want to give Sims a dime to do anything”? When did I “make” “square peg” “unrealistic” “demands”?
@352
Does this mean King County has your permission to build a $22 million office building for election staff?
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/16/05 @ 12:06 am
Yes. If that’s part of a comprehensive strategic solution, on top of firing Dean Logan and cleaning the department up.
@354
Would you accept 2 out of 3?
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/16/05 @ 9:05 am
Try all 3.
I’m an Independant – not a blind R or a blind D. Frankly, painting anyone with a bunch of jingo-istic slander because of their affiliation is being a drone. So Irons is not a great speaker…and your point would be we should elect the best orator? Seriously, that’s your point? How about electing the candidate that investigates a situation and takes a stand based on his own principles – not those of his party? That would be Irons. How about the candidate that suggested a way to save the county millions of dollars each year by eliminating his own job? That would be Irons. And how about the candidate that listens to everyone and then forms an opinion? That too would be Irons. NONE of those are Sims. About five years ago – I, a registered D – had a petition signed by over a thousand of my neighbors regarding development restrictions. We tried for over 6 months to get an appointment with Sims and he never NEVER saw us. Wouldn’t even accept the package. I’m appalled by Sims arrogance and failure to acknowledge his own mistakes (computers, election department, transportation short-falls). Irons is a good manager, a hard-worker and a “can do” kind of guy. We need him – desperately. The Times says it’s too close to call. Vote for Irons and remove the possibility of another 4 years of Sims disasters. It is the man, not the party.
@356
Try screwing yourself — you might like it!
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/16/05 @ 2:00 pm
Matt Hasslerons has handed me the ball and I’m going down the Sims 30, Sims 40, the 50, my 40, my $30 like Shaun Alexander!!! Can you catch me?
Why? Read Comment by Jenny — 10/16/05 @ 12:54 pm, who I blow somewhere in Libertyville XOXO!!!
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/16/05 @ 2:00 pm
In the words of Marummy: “This is essential for our democracy, that we have a fair and clean election.”
Here’s some more Marummy for you: “It’s in the vested interest of King County, the Democratic Party, and Christine Gregoire to keep it the way it is. It has worked for them, but it hasn’t worked for democracy!”
GOT THAT RIGHT. WE’RE COMING DOWN THE FIELD AND YOU CAN GET OUT OF OUR WAY OR KISS TURF!!!
Man, that was so… on Roger Rabbit I have to say that again:
Marummy to The Seattle Weekly: “It’s in the vested interest of King County, the Democratic Party, and Christine Gregoire to keep it the way it is. It has worked for them, but it hasn’t worked for democracy!â€
Oh and some more Jenny:
Yeah, while Ron Sims has done whatever the Dems want. No matter what people think.
Yup, because he heard the people wanted less representatives. Why, personally, is beyond me. I think they should have dozens of King County Councilors. So much talent…
Remember the CAO? Sims didn’t do that. Remember Southwest moving to Boeing Field? Sims didn’t do that until David Irons started making life heck for him. Remember King County Elections?!? Where’s the turnaround team, Ron!!!
Man, that was so… on Roger Rabbit I have to say that again:
Marummy to The Seattle Weekly: “It’s in the vested interest of King County, the Democratic Party, and Christine Gregoire to keep it the way it is. It has worked for them, but it hasn’t worked for democracy!â€
Oh and some more Jenny:
Yeah, while Ron Sims has done whatever the Dems want. No matter what people think.
Yup, because he heard the people wanted less representatives. Why, personally, is beyond me. I think they should have dozens of King County Councilors. So much talent…
Remember the CAO? Sims didn’t do that. Remember Southwest moving to Boeing Field? Sims didn’t do that until David Irons started making life heck for him. Remember King County Elections?!? Where’s the turnaround team, Ron!!!
Man, that was so… on Roger Rabbit I have to say that again:
Marummy to The Seattle Weekly: “It’s in the vested interest of King County, the Democratic Party, and Christine Gregoire to keep it the way it is. It has worked for them, but it hasn’t worked for democracy!â€
Oh and some more Jenny:
Yeah, while Ron Sims has done whatever the Dems want. No matter what people think.
Yup, because he heard the people wanted less representatives. Why, personally, is beyond me. I think they should have dozens of King County Councilors. So much talent…
Remember the CAO? Sims didn’t do that. Remember Southwest moving to Boeing Field? Sims didn’t do that until David Irons started making life heck for him. Remember King County Elections?!? Where’s the turnaround team, Ron!!!
Oh and some more Jenny:
Yup, because he heard the people wanted less representatives [why is far beyond me – so much untapped talent] and knows that as King County Executive he can make the 912-funded package better for all of us.
Remember the CAO? Sims didn’t do that. Remember Southwest moving to Boeing Field? Sims didn’t do that until David Irons started making life heck for him. Remember King County Elections?!? Where’s the turnaround team, Ron!!!
Oh and some more Jenny:
Remember the CAO? Sims didn’t do that but whammed down the throats of Eastern King County something that all Washington finds repugnant. Remember Southwest moving to Boeing Field? Sims didn’t do that until David Irons started making life heck for him. Remember King County Elections?!? Where’s the turnaround team, Ron!!!
@ 361
Maybe you could get Marummy to blow you, then report back to us on how good it was (or wasn’t — watch out for those teeth!).
@362
Fair and clean elections — now there’s something I can support! Where the hell was Marummy when we needed her? Like in Florida, Ohio … where corrupt GOP election officials stole 2 presidential elections and put a fucking idiot cokehead in the White House. 6 more Americans died for Iraq oil today — I hope they’re happy … and I hope Marummy’s conscience is bothering her. I won’t say the same of you, Josef, because you don’t have a conscience or you wouldn’t shill for these lying warmongering traitors.
@ 362
“GOT THAT RIGHT. WE’RE COMING DOWN THE FIELD AND YOU CAN GET OUT OF OUR WAY OR KISS TURF!!!”
I’ll meet you at your own 30-yard-line, nose to nose. I’ve been lying to you, Josef — I don’t weigh 7 3/4 lbs., I weigh 220 lbs.
Don’t forget — bring bandaids with you to our meeting.
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/16/05 @ 10:23 pm
If you hadn’t said, “put a fucking idiot cokehead in the White House”, this gent who voted K-E would have replied.
Besides, I’m too busy running down the field!
UPDATE:
Since my last report @319:
Now there are 373 total posts.
Roger Rodent now has 165.
That is 44.24%.
Roger wastes many posts (and the majority of) talking about nothing; other to himself, in the middle of the godamn night I might add. He exclaims with joy that there are ‘over 250 posts in 24 hours’ (@258) as if it should be shocking, as most are his delusional rantings.
=still a loser that needs to obtain a life outside of this site.
Also equals: probably one of those guys who stood up against a wall at the school prom and was beat up a lot at recess.
Comment by Mark1 — 10/17/05 @ 11:24 am
I too was beat up during recess, but man I’d be carrying flowers to the prom and picking up the girlies!! Sweetness works!!!
46-43-7 IRONS-SIMS-LANGE
In the words of Josh Lyman: WE GOT SOME MO!
@ 375
If you’re such a ladies man, why do you have to jerk off in the can to a photo of Zits pasted above the commode?
Yeah, I know you denied that, but why should I believe you? C’mon, get real — you’re a Republican … and Republicans lie!
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So, you two gamecocks want to double-team Roger Rabbit, huh? Hell, why stop at two, bring all your friends!! Then, for some real laughs, try picking me up by my pink ears and see what happens to your belly button!!
I’m amused by these indignant trolls accusing me, Roger Rabbit, of putting up posts devoid of meaningful content — as if that’s something they’ve never done themselves …
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Wow! This thread has almost 410 posts!
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Hey Mark, don’t burn out your calculator! (snicker)
Goldy has 410 posts on just this 1 thread … this weekend, Stefan posted only 1 thread, and got only 6 posts — and you couldn’t even read them because Stefan blocked them, because (in Stefan’s words) they were “spam.” They must have been liberals posting refutations of his bullshit. Poor Stefan gets no respect! But then, why should he? He’s a blowhard.
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/17/05 @ 10:54 pm
Get stuffed. I’m not a card-carrying Republican member (yet) and even then, most Republicans don’t lie.
“most Republicans don’t lie”
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Good one, Josef! Thanks for the laugh!
Well, it’s time for me to hop up the hill to Stefan’s garden, and get stuffed! Soon the 7 3/4-lb. bunny will be an 8 1/2-lb. bunny.
Ta-ta, see you tomorrow!
UPDATE:
As of Wednesday, Oct. 101905 at 10:11 AM,
Roger Rodent posts: 208
Total post on this thread: 420
That is 49.52% Roger Rodent’s delusional posts.
@407:
Rodent exclaims with joy: ‘Wow! 410 posts!’
Even though damn near half are his. Don’t slap yourself on the back too hard there loser.
Comment by Mark1 — 10/19/05 @ 10:13 am
Thanks. The guy is a riot. How does a rabbit type?
@422:
Probably with his rabbit pencil-dick, or maybe with a carrot. I think I struck a nerve with him. Mission accomplished!
@422, 423
With his front paws, dickheads.
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By the way, trolls, it’s not the size of your dick that matters but how often you use it. The world will run out of Republicans long before it runs out of cute fluffy baby bunnies — nuf said.
@ 436:
Haha. That’s what people with little ones say to make themselves feel better. Those of us that are secure need not talk about it. It IS the size. Sorry you’re hung like a field-mouse there Roger bunny. Damn, that porecelin is cold!
I just don’t care for jock size. I get things done.
My team is gaining on Sims, my team is fighting for clean elections, my team got Reagan Dunn a coast to a return to his beloved King County Council, my team is fighting for clean elections, my team got Bob “Fergiecain” Ferguson past the elitist piglet, my team is fighting for clean elections, oh and did I say my team is gaining on Sims?
We are leading in the polls, we have not one but two TV and video Internet ads, we have the endorsement of the second-place finisher in the Democrat primary and we have more $$$ on ze way. Some of which thanks to me.
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“my team is fighting for clean elections”
Where? In Florida? Ohio? Were you jerking off to your photo of Zits taped above the commode when you wrote that? I gotta say, Josef, you have an ironic sense of humor — an unusual trait for a Republican!
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All the GOP whoop-de-doo about “honest elections” rings utterly hollow … Republicans send other people’s children (never their own) to die for “democracy” in Iraq while sparing no effort or expense to keep Americans from voting in our own country!!
Fuck you sanctimonious bastards.
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/19/05 @ 5:06 pm
Ever hear of SoundPolitics.com?!?!?
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/19/05 @ 6:45 pm
“Democrats” duck through tax loopholes while they tax “the other guy”.
“Democrats” use our freedoms… but don’t support expanding that freedom to other nations.
“Democrats” say “count every vote”… but don’t support photo ID, don’t support a fair vote on the floor of the King County Council as to Resolution 2005-0219 (the No-Confidence Resolution in Dean Logan), don’t support a re-vote in WA (Stefan and I did in Florida for Prez), and don’t support # of votes = # of legal voters = # of legal votes.
Get stuffed.
Roger Rabbit is on vacation. The following is an automated response.
Roger Rabbit is already stuffed — with yummy lettuce and vegetables from Stefan’s garden! Roger Rabbit now weighs 8 1/4 lbs.
@ 442 Roger Rodent:
Yeah, you’ve said you’ll be on vacation before, but I suspect history will repeat itself and you won’t be able to stay away. Gotta spend that government cheese $$$$ someway. And you are stuffed…..full of bullshit that is. Let me know when you get a job.
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First of all, if Bush can take 3 vacations a month, why shouldn’t Roger Rabbit get 3 vacations a month too? Why should Republicans be the only ones to get 3 vacations a month?
Secondly, fuck you and fuck the horse you rode in on, too!
Thirdly, wow, this thread is up to 443 posts! Although Roger Rabbit is on vacation and this is an automated response, the computer that created this automated response is wondering if you troll assholes want to try for 500 posts on this thread?!
@ 444 Rodent:
Asked and answered. I knew it. Hehe.
Automate answer this:
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/19/05 @ 6:45 pm
“Democrats†duck through tax loopholes while they tax “the other guy”.
“Democrats†use our freedoms… but don’t support expanding that freedom to other nations.
“Democrats†say “count every vote”… but don’t support photo ID, don’t support a fair vote on the floor of the King County Council as to Resolution 2005-0219 (the No-Confidence Resolution in Dean Logan), don’t support a re-vote in WA (Stefan and I did in Florida for Prez), and don’t support # of votes = # of legal voters = # of legal votes.
Reply to 446
Tax loopholes are a Republican phenomenon — Republicans create them and use them; Democrats don’t make enough money to benefit from them.
Democrats fought America’s wars while Republicans got deferments.
Photo ID keeps legitimate voters from voting but doesn’t prevent a single illegal vote.
Why the fuck should Democrats support a revote, when neither the state constitution nor state law authorizes a revote, and a Democrat won the election? Revote = GOP sore losers
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 10/25/05 @ 9:21 pm
Yeah, and Bill Clinton got a deferment too.
Photo ID is a reasonable safeguard and can stop illegal votes. Case-in-point: A photo ID w/ a pin number would alert elections officials when that person committed a felony. Plus, photo ID works in Iraq and Afghanistan and Mexico.
A re-vote, well, like I said – when elections departments screw up, do-over. You probably want to do over Florida, 2000, too? So do I. So did Stefan Sharkansky.
“Yeah, and Bill Clinton got a deferment too.”
George W. Bush – AWOL from National Guard
Dick Cheney – 5 deferments, never served
Phil Gramm – 4 deferments, never served
John Ashcroft – deferment, never served
Karl Rove – never served
Newt Gingrich – never served
Dick Armey – never served
Tom DeLay – never served
Dennis Hastert – never served
Trent Lott – never served
Bob Dornan – never served
Don Nickles – never served
Richard Shelby – never served
Elliott Abrams – never served
Vin Weber – never served
Richard Perle – never served
Rudy Guiliani – never served
George Will – never served
Chris Matthews – never served
Bill O’Reilly – never served
Paul Gigot – never served
Bill Bennett – never served
Pat Buchanan – never served
Rush Limbaugh – never served
Pat Robertson – never served
Bill Kristol – never served
Ann Coulter – never served
“Photo ID is a reasonable safeguard and can stop illegal votes.”
Photo ID is a solution looking for a problem — voting under someone else’s name SIMPLY DOES NOT HAPPEN!!!
“Case-in-point: A photo ID w/ a pin number would alert elections officials when that person committed a felony.”
So will the statewide database enacted by Democrats last spring. Problem solved, photo ID not needed.
“Plus, photo ID works in Iraq and Afghanistan and Mexico.”
Works for WHAT??? Voting honesty in the 3 most corrupt countries on Earth? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Josef you are funny, you should be on Jay Leno HA HA HA HA HA HA
“A re-vote, well, like I said – when elections departments screw up, do-over. You probably want to do over Florida, 2000, too? So do I. So did Stefan Sharkansky.”
Well Josef, the problem is, there’s a thing called “law” and the law says the second recount sticks. Your guy lost, game over.
Hey Josef, if the Astros lose tonight’s game (currently tied in the 11th inning), do you think it’s reasonable for them to get a do-over?
Reply to 446 (continued)
Republicans are for …
War
Deficits
Corruption
Cronyism
Greed
Selfishness
Torture & Murder
Pollution
Ignorance
Coathanger Abortions
Right Wing Dictators
To be a Republican you have to believe:
Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush’s daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him, and a bad guy when Bush needed a “we can’t find Bin Laden” diversion.
Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is communist, but
trade with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international harmony.
The United States should get out of the United Nations, and our highest national priority is enforcing U.N. resolutions against Iraq.
A woman can’t be trusted with decisions about her own body, but
multi-national corporations can be trusted to make decisions affecting all mankind without regulation.
Food, shelter, health care, and education are a right of the rich and a privilege for the lucky, not a right for all.
Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary Clinton.
The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in speeches while slashing veterans’ benefits and combat pay.
If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won’t have sex.
A good way to fight terrorism is to belittle our long-time allies, then demand their cooperation, troops, and money.
Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy. Providing
health care to all Americans is socialism.
HMOs and insurance companies have the best interests of the public at heart.
Global warming and tobacco’s link to cancer are junk science, but
creationism should be taught in schools.
A president lying about an extramarital affair is an impeachable offense, b ut a president lying to enlist support for a war in which thousands die is good policy.
Government should limit itself to the powers named in the
Constitution, which include banning gay marriages and censoring the Internet.
The public has a right to know about Hillary’s cattle trades, but who determines the nation’s energy policy is none of our business.
Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, except for conservative talk radio hosts.
What Bill Clinton did in the 1960s is of vital national interest, but Bush’s violations of securities laws, DUIs and cocaine use in the ’80s are irrelevant to his fitness for public office.
Rambling
Enthusiasts
Predestined
Upon
Blatantly
Lying
Ignorantly
Causing
American
Nazism
Greedy
Oligarch
Plunderers
GOP fear FOUNDING FATHERS
LASER Independent News Service
By Richard T. Roetenlammer
November 23, 2003 17:12 CST
If our Founding Fathers were alive today they would be targeted by the FBI, and the Bush administration, simply because they protested against King George. This, my friends, is inexcusable. We must not allow such an attack on our civil liberties. I am not opposed to targeting “real terrorists”, but under the Patriot Act, and now the republican blank check given to the FBI, makes anyone who speaks out subject to personal invasion, and perhaps even a trip to a Guantanamo Bay prison cell. There, you could face incarceration for years, and even end up before a secret military tribunal where you would even be denied actual representation. There is nothing to stop the Bush Regime from targeting any and all people who do not agree with the direction that our country is headed. “If you are not with us, you are against us” is a line typically made by dictators of totalitarian regimes, not from a president of the United States of America. It is obvious from recent GOP political ads, and now the Bush Regime’s decision to use the FBI to target US citizens, that Bush does not want any debate or protests against his regime. Does anyone remember when Bush constantly said he “trusted the people, not the government” during the 2000 election? It is obvious from his actions that Bush wants the government to control people, and strip people of their civil rights. Bush doesn’t “trust the people”, far from it.
Shades of the Nixon administration. President Nixon used all of our governmental institutions to target almost a thousand United States citizens. Nixon even used the IRS to harass certain people that the paranoid Nixon thought were “subversives”. On the Nixon enemies list were such notorious “terrorists” as Paul Newman, John Lennon, Bill Cosby, Joe Namath, Gregory Peck, and Edward Kennedy. If they were alive today, other “terrorists” like Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, and Thomas Jefferson would be targeted by the Bush Regime, and the FBI, since they were considered very staunch opponents of the British oppression. Our Founding Fathers definitely violated the “If you are not with us, you are against us” mandate by President Bush.
Beware my fellow citizens…
For a more complete list of “terrorists” go to http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~p...../enemy.htm.
Copyright 2003, LASER Independent News Service, All Rights Reserved
If the Astros were playing in King County they would win the game by 1 run. The umps (KCRE) recounting the box score would find some provisional runs for Chicago that were overlooked at batting practice. Walla the White Soxs win. You know there is a connection here. Chicago.. King County. Mayor Daly.. Dean Logan,Ron Sims. Democrats cheating.. democrats cheating…well democrats always cheat. Kinda of spooky huh.
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Last time I checked, your beloved Astros got their clocks cleaned.
Like the White Sox, the Democrats don’t have to cheat to win — all we have to do is let Republicans be themselves.
Roger Rabbit needs medication, kapeesh?
Obviously he doesn’t read the papers – nor SoundPolitics.com. Or watch KING 5.
I’m not going to respond to runny mouth…
It’s not surprising that Josef the Dinolackey thinks the Astros won. He thinks Rossi won, too. Poor Josef needs to be fitted for a straitjacket.
Hey Josef – are you still whacking off to a pic of Zits taped above your toilet?
Roger;
I rooted for the White Sox and no, dumbf–k. You are the one who needs to be banned from this blog.