Will TVW sue HA over fair use?

Late Friday afternoon I received the following email from TVW President Greg Lane:

Dear Mr. Goldstein:

As the President of TVW, Washington State’s Public Affairs Television Network, I am writing to inform you that we are contacting YouTube and requesting they remove video clips posted which violate our copyright.

Because our commitment is to “gavel-to-gavel” coverage of statewide public affairs, TVW does not allow editing of our programming, and our copyright generally requires prior approval before any use can be made.

TVW’s unique contribution to the public debate in our state is to bring the entirety of events such as debates, conventions and legislative proceedings before citizens. As a result, we do allow individuals to link to complete TVW events. For example, if you would like to link to the entire event you posted on your blog on June 4, you can find it here, and you are very welcome to link to the complete event. If you would like links to other events, you can find them by searching TVW’s website. Our staff is also available to provide assistance if needed.

Thank you for your cooperation. Please feel free to contact me if you have questions about our policy.


Greg Lane

Notice that Lane (formerly Republican AG Rob McKenna’s chief of staff) didn’t ask me to remove the clip, he simply informed me that they were going straight to YouTube. Well, I wasn’t in a very good mood at the time, and was in a rush to head out the door, so I just quickly and curtly replied that if YouTube pulled the clip “I suppose I’ll just have to serve it myself and leave it to you to sue me.”

And that’s exactly what I intend to do, more or less… though I probably should have explicated my reasons so as not to come off as angry or impolite. My bad.

The clip in question consists of only 37 seconds out of an hour and five minutes of total coverage, and while I sympathize with TVW’s mission, if there is ever an example of the “fair use” doctrine, this is it. I have updated the original post to include a copyright notice and a link to the source video, and if I’m forced to repost I suppose I’ll try to edit the clip down to under 30 seconds. But that’s about as far as I’m willing to go without a court order.

TVW can write whatever it wants into its license agreement, but they can’t automatically impose more stringent copyright restrictions than provided by law. I signed no contract nor agreed to any license; I merely downloaded the WMV file from the TVW website (using perfectly legal software), excerpted a contiguous clip, and uploaded it to YouTube. My actions were both ethical and legal.

There are reasons why the courts have carved out, and Congress eventually codified, a fair use exemption for the purposes of news reporting and commentary, no doubt one of them being that an informed electorate, absolutely crucial to the functioning of our democracy, has needs that clearly trump the prerogatives of the copyright holder. And there is no better indication of the newsworthiness of Dave Reichert’s embarrassing speech within the context of the current election cycle than the fact that his campaign (or his party) has obviously prompted TVW to seek removal of this easily accessible clip, knowing full well that few voters will bother to sit through the entire hour-plus of tedious speechifying.

The disputed clip is far from the only TVW material on YouTube; hell, I’ve had another TVW clip in my publicly viewable YouTube gallery for over a year and a half! Clearly, TVW does not actively search YouTube for potential copyright violations—as far as I can tell they only go after those clips they’re pressured to go after.

Somebody complained to TVW, and it’s not hard to guess who or why. Reichert’s campaign wants to prevent us from easily comparing and contrasting his words before a gathering of the party elite, with his promises to voters, because these words are damaging. And the best way to hide Reichert’s public words from the public is to keep them buried 41 minutes into a 65 minute piece of insufferably boring streaming video.

Of course, if Reichert isn’t embarrassed to have his speech widely disseminated, he could always waive the extraordinary protections TVW is seeking on his behalf, and publicly urge them to grant reproduction without restriction, rather than privately nudging them to harass me for exercising my legal rights. But I’m not holding my breath.

So for now, enjoy Reichert promising to cut Medicare… while you can:

(©2006 TVW. View full source here.)

YouTube finally pulled the clip, so I’ve uploaded it to LiveLeak. (I’m willing to play this game as long as TVW is.)


  1. 1

    The Real Mark spews:


    Thanks for posting a new thread. YLB and PTBA were having some fact trouble in the previous one. I was kinda starting to feel bad for them.

    Good to give the folks something else upon which to focus. Keep up the excellent work!

  2. 2

    michael spews:


    Denny Heck is a Dem and the founder of TVW maybe you should try getting in touch with him. Maybe see if they had any fair use issues while he was at the helm.

  3. 3


    I put it on my own blog and I will distribute it on blogsites thoughout the 8th district.

    I’m sure that Reichert’s people do not appreciate the speed that this travels at.

  4. 4



    If you haven’t had a copyright attorney vet your use of the TVW clips, you’d better. What you think is “fair use” may not be what the law regards as “fair use.”

    And copyright owners are zealous in protecting their intellectual property, so don’t jump to a political conclusion and think this is all some big conspiracy.

    The only ones out to get you are the dudes in the white coats…

    And your invitation to them to sue you? Checked the costs associated with litigation lately? You might end up having to downsize from the HA Happy HooliHovel to Tent City 3 after the lawyers – theirs and yours – get done with you.

    It would be a shame to see you on a steam grate outside Nordie’s with a cup and a sign: “Will go uber-lefty venemous for food.”

    That free steak dinner you’re going to get at Outback when Grover Norquist teaches you Econ 101 may be the last decent meal you have for a while.

    The Piper

  5. 5

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Geez, Goldy. You didn’t need to write a legal brief. In fact, it’s better not to and keep the other side guessing. Lane is full of shit. That’s all you needed to say.

  6. 6

    The Real Mark spews:

    Piper @ 4 “The only ones out to get you are the dudes in the white coats…”

    Whew! At least you didn’t tell him about the black helicopters sent by the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. Ooops!

    While I applaud your efforts and suggestions to Goldy, don’t expect him to listen. He has a tendency to go all “fingers-in-ears-LA-LA-LA-LA” when he gets on a subject.

  7. 7

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Let them sue you, Goldy. Then you can post on your blog that McKenna’s office is spending taxpayer funds to suppress publication of an embarrassing speech by a Republican congressman fighting for his political life in the nation’s most hotly contested House race.

    If it comes to that, I have a suggestion for a title for your post:

    Waste, Fraud, and Abuse

  8. 8

    michael spews:


    The Black Helicopters were an invention of your militia buddies on the right. Your militia buddies that went to jail for things like building pipe bombs, mail fraud and threatening judges.

  9. 9

    ByeByeGOP spews:

    Wow once again I am just so very impressed that skirt-wearing, bag-piping, part-time job recruiter Pooper seems to think he’s playing the part of an attorney here. Just think, this stoooopid right wing trailer trash thinks anyone here believes or cares about what he says.

  10. 10


    I find it a little odd that TVW would even have a copyright in place; the reason that they exist is to distribute information about Washington state government, and they should be happy every time that happens. Why complain about a clip on Horses Ass, when that clip is doing what it is intended to do?

  11. 11

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @4 Piper, every time you open your mouth, you convince me you’re too dumb to be a lawyer.

    Worrying about litigation costs is something people with money do. Goldy is judgment proof, dummy! He’s poor! There’s nothing they can do to him!

    And, being poor, he’ll represent himself. Or maybe the ACLU or Electronic Freedom Foundation will represent him. Either way, he won’t have any litigation costs. Litigation is expensive only when you have to pay a lawyer.

    You’re right about one thing, copyright law is complex (what law isn’t?) and fair use can be tricky (what legal issue isn’t?). But a PUBLIC TV STATION??! Come on.

    Okay, let’s posit for a second that Goldy loses a lawsuit brought by TVW. What’s the measure of damages? What, exactly, would TVW be entitled to besides a restraining order? Since they’re owned by the state, what money damages have they suffered? But let’s say TVW is wins a monetary award. Then what? What’s a money judgment against a defendant who has to publicly beg for food money worth?

    Piper, you are a first-class idiot.

  12. 13

    Hussein the Redneck-Obama-Rodman-Goldshtein-Kennedy-Rabbit spews:

    Goldy is a typical librul freeloading thief. Has no talent, but feels free to steal from others.

    C’mon goldy.. even though you are classic backbencher, try to have an original thought.

    Either that or get a job in a warehouse where a superior tells you every fucking move to make.

    BTW, summer vacation is coming up. Will your daughter have enough to eat? I’d be glad to send you $100 in QFC gift certs so she can eat.

    Post yer address so I know where to send $$$.


  13. 15

    michael spews:


    Who are you going to vote for in the fall? Rossi, Hair Spray and McCain are all on record as believing in global warming. You’re running out of places to turn. And you keep trying to change the subject…

  14. 16

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Maybe Reichert and Rossi have a secret pact to work together. Reichert will throw the grandparents off Medicare, and Rossi will throw the grandkids off Basic Health.

  15. 17

    michael spews:


    You really should find out if TVW has pattern of asking for clips that might be damaging to Republicans be taken off the air.

  16. 18

    "Hannah" spews:

    I bet if you had posted the entire video, rather than just the 37 second clip to use as a racial attack, TVW would have had no problem.

  17. 19

    Jane Balough's Dog spews:

    Just a side note. Did you know that when George Washington cut down the cherry tree he actually “swift boated” on what he did. It’s true…. I mean it’s “swift boat”. roof roof

  18. 20

    YLB spews:

    The greatest media attention to black helicopters was most probably paid in February 1995, when first-term Republican northern Idaho Representative Helen Chenoweth charged that armed federal agents were landing black helicopters on Idaho ranchers’ property to enforce the Endangered Species Act.


    I believe Chenoweth had an “R” next to her name Surreal Man.

  19. 21

    Jim, (a genuine musician) spews:

    Poopster lives!

    Goldy: let us know if you have legal expenses. It would be worth it just to read about this crud in other media.

  20. 24


    Riffing on Reichert comment thread:
    23. Jane Balough’s Dog spews:
    I wonder what you WingNutz will think when it dawns on you that all you elected to the white house was a little rough trade?
    05/31/2008 at 10:57 pm
    I will take a rough trade over a dem anyday. roof roof
    06/01/2008 at 12:51 am

    32. headless lucy spews:
    re 23: Yes. I know you would.
    “Rough Trade, a slang term for a masculine working class man who has sex with men (sometimes as a male prostitute)”
    06/01/2008 at 9:25 am

    Nuff said….

  21. 26

    My Left Foot spews:


    My calculation that you are a failed lawyer could not be made more clear (as pointed out by my good friend Roger Rabbit).

    You and I (I asked a real lawyer) both know that while fair use can have an ebb and flow, when used in a political context, the definition can be extremely broad and lenient. You might try looking up the practice of “sampling” as it is used in the music biz.

    I am not a lawyer. But I get all the free Ivy League legal advice I want. Even some I don’t.

  22. 27

    Geov spews:

    From the TVW web site:

    The majority of TVW’s operating cash – approximately $2.5 million per year – comes from the Legislature via a contract-for-service through the Secretary of State.

    In other words, TVW get paid money – a lot of it – by the state to disseminate public affairs programming. Except, apparently, when powerful people would prefer the public be kept in the dark.

    Wonder if Sam Reed or Frank Chopp thinks this is a good use of the SoS office’s money?

    Of course, after the first dozen or so blogs repost this video (hint, hint), it’s all kind of moot.

  23. 28

    ByeByeGOP spews:

    Another one of my favorite things is when Pooper pretends to be a patriot – only when it was his turn to fight, he went to the Dick Cheney, Rush Limbaugh, Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, Dick Army, Bill Frist and Tom Delay school of patriotism – i.e, have an excuse, duck the draft or just don’t enlist but pretend to support the war.

    Typical hypocrite, gutless, chickenshit, chickenhawk right wing gas bag.

  24. 30

    Facts Support My Positions spews:

    Goldy. That video was baaaaaaad.

    This slimeball Reichert talks of cutting medicare, and medicaid to impress his rich buddies.

    I can’t wait to see Reichert working as a security guard at K-Mart.

  25. 31

    31st District Voter spews:

    Rabbit @ 7: Why would McKenna be suing Goldy for a non-governmental 501(c)(3) (TVW)?

    and Rabbit @ 5: Agreed. Two overly long posts from Goldy in as many days.

  26. 32

    31st District Voter spews:

    One last thought: How do you copyright event coverage if you’re not the event holder?

  27. 33

    "Hannah" spews:

    MLF @ 25 – yes I did, BUT as Goldy claims these people threatening to sue him obviously support DR as they are republicans and just last week Goldy took a quote from a DR speech and chased the racism assumptions so I am sure this TVW group is pissed off and after HA.

  28. 34

    HappyHeathen spews:

    Just sent out an email to 50 of my local friends titled ‘quick before Reichert has this pulled’ with a link to your post.

  29. 35

    Laszlo Toth, Jr. spews:

    Well, let’s look at the meat of what Reichert says (we’ll leave aside the way the Republicans are using their activist judicial theories to shred the Constitution when it doesn’t suit them):

    “What are we wasting our money on?”

    Easy, Dave… We’re wasting our money on deadbeat welfare queens like you who insist on double-dipping two taxpayer-funded pension schemes while you sit on your behind and don’t do a damn bit of work for 18 out of every 24 month term.

    Deadbeat Dave Reichert… Making Wally in Dilbert look like a conscientious worker.

    Best way for us to get value for our money: Fire Deadbeat Dave, and hire Darcy. After all, as a Democrat, she’s more conservative than any modern day Republican (and certainly more so than any of the commenters on this thread).

  30. 36


    re 4: Putting a camera on an event, taping it,and making it publicly available, can hardly be called ‘intellectual property’. Then, adding insult to injury, bitching about how others present the material.


  31. 38

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    My guess is your Assholeish response to a legitimate Copyright violation is inviting a lawsuit which you must respond to. Don’t be stupid & stubborn Goldy. Consult a copyright attorney or research the issue yourself. I doubt they can preclude you from posting say 30 seconds (rule of thumb).
    You have other battles to fight…don’t you??
    Walking into a legal fight without be armed with an attorney’s opinion is typical of you KLOWNS. It’s like David standing up to Goliath with a featherduster!!
    Sheesh Goldy…why must you make everything soooooo difficult.

  32. 39

    ratcityreprobate spews:

    TVW should be grateful that anyone watches or links to their broadcasts or website. They should pay you a fee Goldy, much as advertisers pay Google. Wait until this fall when the opposition research folks are mining every candidate’s speeches, off-hand remarks or writings for inconsistencies. TVW will see snippets of their programming all over broadcastTV.

  33. 40

    My Left Foot spews:

    Mr Cyniclown of course bends right over whenever anyone tells him too. He respects his government and all athority figures. Firmly believes all he is told by those authorities. Never questions, simply accepts. He is staunch supporter of all the governmental policies and further more anyone who questions the authorities is a traitor and appeaser, who should be jailed or shot or both.

    Your cornholio response is typical for Republican anal retentive closet homosexuals.

    Cyniclown, fuck you!!

    (yes, you are muuuuuuuuch better than me. I use bad language).

    Fucking asshole.

  34. 41

    Rick D spews:

    Sue Goldy for what?

    He doesn’t have two cents to rub together….so why bother.

    How ironic that he’s been going after Dave Reichert for an entirely legal practice, while he himself is in violation of copyrighted material.

    Oh what a wicked web that Wee, Weasely wiberals weave.
    I love it.

  35. 43


    re 38: If George W. Bush violated a copyright, would you consider that an impeachable offense. Your ‘law ‘n order’ stance is extremely risible. Hee Hee Hee !!!

  36. 44


    Piper @4,
    I know it is comforting to tell yourself that all those who disagree with you are idiots or lunatics or both, but you’d think by now you might have given up that fantasy, at least in regards to me. I know exactly what I’m doing.

    Roger @11,
    Exactly. What economic damage could I (or anybody) possibly cause to TVW? And in the unlikely event I should lose such a suit, what is the likelihood that a judge would punitively award TVW legal fees when a fair use defense under these circumstances clearly has so much precedent and merit? But my final ace in the hole is that the folks at TVW would come off as looking like total assholes if they actually pursued this in court. Sending a cowardly cease and desist letter is one thing… actually spending their taxpayer dollars suing me…? I dare them.

    Mark the Welsher @13,
    The deal was that you would donate $100 to Maria Cantwell. You reneged. If you want to restore your honor, I’ll accept proof of a $100 donation to either Darcy Burner or Gov. Gregoire. Your choice.

    Lucy @23,
    Isn’t that often the case?

    Cynical @38,
    No, it’s like David standing up to Goliath with a slingshot. (And we all know what happened next.) I can excuse Piper, but you of all people Cynical, should know by now that I’m not stupid.

  37. 45

    Fred spews:

    Goldy, you’re right, of course. It’s clear fair use, explicitly protected under the law, and TVW might have to pay all of your legal fees if they act legally knowing that this is fair use.


    § 107. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use
    Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include —

    (1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;

    (2) the nature of the copyrighted work;

    (3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and

    (4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

    The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors.



    (f) Misrepresentations. – Any person who knowingly materially misrepresents under this section —

    (1) that material or activity is infringing, or

    (2) that material or activity was removed or disabled by mistake or misidentification,

    shall be liable for any damages, including costs and attorneys’ fees, incurred by the alleged infringer, by any copyright owner or copyright owner’s authorized licensee, or by a service provider, who is injured by such misrepresentation, as the result of the service provider relying upon such misrepresentation in removing or disabling access to the material or activity claimed to be infringing, or in replacing the removed material or ceasing to disable access to it.

  38. 46

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @38 “legitimate Copyright violation”

    Not so fast, Cynical. Fair use is an exception, not a defense. If you’re as ignorant about investing as you are about law, you probably have a negative worth by now.

  39. 47

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Let’s review the GOP program for working and middle class Americans.

    They promise you an every-man-for-himself society in which they grab as much as they can and you get whatever is left.

    They promise to change the minimum wage from $8 an hour to $2.13 an hour.

    They make no promises of a job, health care, or even basic subsistence.

    They promise that if they can make more money by sending your job to a foreign country, they will.

    They promise to eliminate unemployment benefits, injured workers compensation, social security, Medicare, Medicaid, Basic Health, and food stamps.

    They promise that injured or defrauded consumers will have no right to sue or recover damages.

    They promise not to regulate the people who manage pensions, mutual funds, insurance companies, or public utilities.

    They promise you will pay all the taxes, and they will pay none.

    They promise that government will be a profit center for corporations, not a servant of the people.

    They promise to criminalize dissent against the political and economic system they intend to inflict on us.

    They promise that minorities, senior citizens, and the poor will not be allowed to vote.

    They pledge that judges and prosecutors will use their offices to keep them in power and to suppress anyone who opposes them.

    THINK BEFORE YOU VOTE! Is this what you want to vote for?

  40. 48

    Rick D spews:

    @ 46 – Any proof to back that up Bunny?

    Or is that horseshit you’re trying to sell coming out of your floppy ears?

    I expect nothing else from one of Goldy’s marionettes. They lie when they open their disgusting pie holes just like their Lead Donkey who can’t seem to understand copyright laws.

  41. 49

    zip spews:

    Knock yourself out Goldy on the copyright issue, maybe getting yourself sued will teach you a valuable “life lesson”. You should think about whether you really will enjoy taking the martyr approach in legal matters. This approach does not usually work out well for the martyr.

    If you had any sense you would have gotten legal advice before you posted their clips and before you emailed back to them, just like any responsible adult.

  42. 51

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @48 Getting sued is fun when you have nothing they can take from you, because you hold all the cards in that situation.

    Your whining reminds me of the soldier’s standard response to superiors in Vietnam: “What are you going to do to me, draft me into the Army and send me to Vietnam?

    At some point, the world is out of options for dealing with you, and must accept you on your terms.

  43. 52

    zip spews:

    Roger 50: Right, so in the end Goldy will be linking to the video as TVW requests.
    Why not just do things right the first time? Oh I get it, Goldy would rather fight the good fight. Senselss BS.

  44. 53

    ByeByeGOP spews:

    How can fucking Cynical or Pooper know somebody isn’t stupid when they themselves are the dictionary example of stupid?

  45. 54

    YLB spews:

    How dumb are these right wingers? TVW is going after YouTube to remove the material. Not after Goldy.

    Goldy WILL post 30 second cuts from TVW that show Dave Reichert talking out of both sides of his idiot mouth, no matter what. All legal under fair use AFAIK.

    These tactics will predictably backfire on the Reichert crowd.

    Why are right wingers so afraid of the truth?

  46. 55

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Notice that we liberals are no longer either polite or deferential to these rightwing shitheads. We don’t do business that way anymore. From now on, we’re going to crack heads.

  47. 58

    Richard Pope spews:

    I think a lawsuit against HA for failing to post a new comment topic in over 21 hours would have more chance of success than TVW suing over the fair use of its video clips.

  48. 60

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    I don’t understand why that comment won’t post. There’s no link in it.

  49. 61

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @51 Who are you to say what’s “right”? Are you a lawyer?

    The law gives the public a right to quote from copyrighted material because of the public’s interest in free and open debate.

    From the law’s standpoint, the fact TVW is owned and subsidized by Washington taxpayers, and is operated for public benefit instead of private profit, is immaterial because the law is the same in either case. But the idea of a public TV station using its copyright to stifle public debate of a public issue involving a candidate for public office is ludicrous on its face.

    It’s not necessary to delve into the details of copyright law or fair use. Suffice to say that nobody appointed you to act as arbiter of what Goldy can post under fair use. You’re nothing but an officious intermeddler.

    You also missed the real issue. What’s important is not whether Goldy violated TVW’s copyright but the difference between what Reichert tells voters and what he tells party officials about how he’ll vote in Congress on Medicare. The public has a right to know about that.

    Mr. Lane resorted to this lame bullying because he doesn’t want this issue discussed. He doesn’t want voters to know what his party’s position on Medicare is. He doesn’t want an informed electorate to decide whether Dave or Darcy should represent them in Congress.

    That’s because Republicans are out of sync with the majority of citizens. They represent the selfish interests of a tiny elite at the expense of the majority. They can’t win elections if they have to honestly debate policy issues, and they know it.

    But Mr. Lane was hired to run operational side of the TV station, not dictate what information the voting public should have access to. He wasn’t hired to be an information czar, and overstepped his authority by behaving like one.

    You’re arguing over the wrong issue, zip. And you’re on the wrong side of both issues. Therefore, go (bleep) yourself.

  50. 62

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Hmmm, maybe Goldy’s spam filter doesn’t like the word “fuck” anymore.

  51. 64

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Anyway, my response to ziplock’s vapid and pointless comment at #51 is now up.

  52. 65

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @57 Yeah, maybe you and I should get together and build a case based on blogger misfeasance, Richard. What relief should we ask for?

  53. 66

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Bennett Intended To Personally Profit From Taxpayer Expenditures

    Quoted under fair use from today’s P-I:

    “As Ward indicated in his e-mail, the Sonics ownership was open to the idea of a ‘sweet flip’ arrangement whereby they might sell the franchise for a significant profit if they did get a new arena in Seattle, which would leave them in better position to fulfill their long-held goal of buying another team for Oklahoma City.

    “‘We fully expected to get a building built,’ Bennett said. ‘And so then the question was what we should do at that time. We felt that clearly we would have enhanced the value of the franchise, so it would make sense to sell it at a flip and make money at that point.'”

    This excerpt gives us a window into Bennett’s thought process. And his thought process was that if Washington taxpayers built the $500 million arena he wanted, he wouldn’t keep the team because he wanted to own a team in Oklahoma City, but he sell the Sonics for an enhanced price based on the new arena. And he had no intention of giving that increased value back to the taxpayers who paid for it. It would go straight into his own pocket.

    What a greedy asshole.

  54. 70

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    On second thought, maybe it’s better to make them go without fucking anyone for a while.

  55. 71

    Rick D spews:

    Welcome to the Roger Rabbit on-line chatroom. He both asks and answers his own retarded questions and whines about being censored by the lead Donkey at HA.

    Don’t you have a hobby Bunny?

  56. 72

    tensor spews:

    I think I’ll ask one of my state legislators — like, say, Rep. Chopp — to hold a hearing on this.

    Because our commitment is to “gavel-to-gavel” coverage of statewide public affairs, TVW does not allow editing of our programming, and our copyright generally requires prior approval before any use can be made.

    Poor guy — he has to sort his shoes in the morning, based on whether they were designed for long-distance running, or just short trips. Because it would be wrong to wear distance shoes for a short hop. I find it most impressive that he expects anyone to believe this.

  57. 73

    Richard Pope spews:

    Roger Rabbit @ 64

    I thought it would be blogger nonfeasance if Goldy laid down on the job and didn’t post a new comment thread. I used to know the distinction between nonfeasance, malfeasance and misfeasance.

    Anyway, the lawsuit threat was effective in spurring Goldy to action. I raised the question of a lawsuit at 3:20 PM, you said a lawsuit might be a good idea at 3:33 PM, and then at 3:38 PM we finally got a new comment thread from Goldy.

  58. 74

    Daddy Love spews:

    All this stuff about Goldy and copyright issues is beside the (political) point.

    Point one (yes, it’s about copyright):
    Nothing Dave Reichert says can be called intellectual property. Or intellectual anything.

    Point two:
    Dave Reichert wants your grandmother (or mother, or whoever) to lose her Medicare coverage. Fuck that.

    Fuck Dave Reichert. Vote Darcy Burner. I saw both Darcy and Governor Gregoire at the Storm game last night

  59. 76

    The Real Mark spews:

    NAMBLA @ 73 & 74

    Both of those guys are WAAAYYYY older than your tastes, aren’t they? By about 40 or 50 years.

  60. 78

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @75 The situation calls for a generic solution. Fuck all you worthless Republicans. Every last one of you.

  61. 79

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @70 Want a thrill? Kiss my cute cottontail!For a good time, call 1-900-KISS-ROG. All proceeds go to the Help Roger Rabbit Live Like A Republican Fund.

  62. 80

    NobodySpecial spews:

    David, in the land of MSFT, chief benefactor of all things IP, here you are STEALING from public affairs programming to make a political point. Isn’t that the cheapest form of partisan hackery? Stealing something that’s free for your own benefit? I guess that makes sense, since you’re supposed to be the hard-edge of Burner’s campaign…you know, the same one that got caught red-handed stealing from TVW last time around, and then lying about it to Bernard Choi?

    Furthermore, how about you give us some more of your prized CONTEXT. Are you sure Reichert didn’t say something right after that…sounded like he was in mid-sentence.

  63. 81


    Didn’t this same issue arise with people posting stuff from C-Span to YouTube?

    As I recall, the C-Span people tried more or less exactly the same tactic as TVW appears to be trying, and they got spanked down by a bunch of people who pointed out “hey, dumbasses, we paid for that coverage, we expect to be able to use it however we damn well please.”


  64. 82

    The Real Mark spews:

    NS @ 79

    Goldy has pretty much admitted that he is a partisan hack. He has little interest in fairness or truth. The HA blog has only two purposes: entertainment and playing a stacked-deck game of Gotcha with anyone that isn’t Far Left.

    So, if you want to splash around in Goldy’s little mud puddle, have fun! But don’t expect any sort of balance and, least of all, don’t expect Goldy or any of the other Lefties to offer a mea culpa. They’re more likely to abandon the discussion before they admit they’re wrong.

  65. 83

    Rick D spews:

    Why am I not surprised that Daddy Love attends the WLBA Seattle Storm games….I’m sure all 32 people in attendance had a great time.

    @80, you’re right of course Mark. Goldy wouldn’t know objectivity if it him in the noggin. He’s got no job, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he prances around the house in Darcy’s thong underwear praising all things “Burner” and decrying the very existence of Dave Reichert. Liberal fascists work on this ideological paradigm yet think they don’t hold fascistic feelings. Conservatives are able to agree to disagree while Liberals hate you on a personal level if you don’t toe the liberal mantra.

  66. 84

    WingDing spews:

    But don’t expect any sort of balance and,

    Conservatism is all truth, sweetness and light my dear friends Abramoff, Ney, and Cunningham excluded of course.

    And that’s being very objective..

  67. 85

    Daddy Love spews:

    Of course I go to Storm games. They’re the Seattle basketball team that prople care about.

    And yes, the crowd of perhaps 10,000 of its 17K capacity was on hand to watch them demolish the Detroit Shock. What a great place to watch a game. Fuck Clay Bennett.

  68. 86

    Daddy Love spews:

    81 RD

    Conservatives are able to agree to disagree

    Good one. Yes, USA conservatives are a model of tolerance for the world. Uh-huh.

  69. 87

    Puddybud spews:

    Tommygunnerthemoron: Thanks for the sentiment. Back east they used to say $10 and a note from your mother. Besides your dick is too small to measure pleasure. Bybygooper or clueless idiot are always available for your use!

  70. 89

    The Real Mark spews:

    NAMBLA @ 85 “Fuck Clay Bennett.”

    Boy, you sure have that ruttin’ on your mind all the time. Is the ankle monitor making dating hard for you? Or is it because the neighborhood parents have received flyers?

    In any case, I’m sure even they’d say you can have at Clay — as many times and in as many ways as you wish.

  71. 91

    rhp6033 spews:

    Not that I expect this comment to be read, this far into a thread….

    I seem to recall that not too long ago the successor of West Publishing Co. lost a copyright fight when the court held that a contract with the state to publish court decisions isn’t covered by copyright of the decisions themselves, which are public records.

    I may be wrong, my memory is pretty fuzzy on this one….

  72. 92


    Goldy, you’re right about this, it is Fair Use. Let them sue. (They won’t, they’re just trying to bully you and are using Google/YouTube, who doesn’t CARE about your rights [and why should they?] to do it.) Piper is right that Fair Use isn’t necessarily what you think its, but this clearly is Fair Use, if anything is.