Will Chairman Dean make GOP scream?

A quick link to SPU political science professor Reed Davis’ guest column in today’s Seattle Times: “Why triple-talented Dean spells trouble for Republicans.”

Davis warns Republicans not to be so gleeful about Howard Dean’s ascension to DNC chair, noting that he’s a top-notch fund-raiser, a grassroots organizer, and a charismatic leader.

Dean’s appeal doesn’t lie primarily in the fact that he’s a great speaker (although he is) but in the fact that he’s a great listener.

Grass-roots activists in both parties have been so starved for attention and support during the past 20 years that they will flock to the first person who promises to listen and do what he can to support them.

And that, more than anything else, was the message that Dean took to the party faithful in his campaign for the party chairmanship: He’s there for them, not for the insiders, not for the professionals, and certainly not for the consultants. Dean will be there for the hardworking activists who make up the rank and file.

I was rather agnostic about the whole, very public battle over the DNC chairmanship. But I can’t say I was disappointed to see Dean triumph. I just hope he turns out to be as strong and visionary a leader as Davis suggests.

Carla of Preemptive Karma attended the recent Howard Dean / Richard Perle debate in Portland, and blogged on it here.


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    JCH spews:

    Goldy and Dan with UW Buddies Visit New Jersey. Read on!!! EAST ORANGE, N.J. – The five United States Army recruiters who work from a storefront office here arrived on the morning of Feb. 5 to discover that a plate-glass window above the main entrance had been shattered, along with a window in the Navy office next door. By noon, about 35 protesters were marching out front with antiwar placards, condemning the American invasion of Iraq and the recruiters’ efforts to enlist new soldiers. nother ROTC Center. Read on!!

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    Susan Bourland spews:

    My strawberries went in today and my kale is two weeks away from being in a pot of boiling water and tamari! I miss the mild northwest for gardening and had to learn the hard way about the 3 months of summer you can’t do much of anything in, in Texas. Way off topic. Are your peas from seed?

    Stop mentioning the Dean scream!

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    Hmm….I’m going to go out on a limb here and put this back on topic. (rolling eyes)

    My blog partner and I attended last week’s Dean/Perle debate in Portland, OR (the one where Perle had the shoe thrown at him). Dean was terrific.He was charismatic, articulate and on point the whole night. It was a fascinating and entertaining thing to watch.

    I blogged on it at Preemptive Karma.

    Dean brings some distinct strengths to the DNC Chair..not the least of which is a desire to be out front in framing the issues. He understands the importance of the grassroots…and how they need to feel empowered and connected to the Party (that’s part of the listening thing that Goldy alluded to).

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    JCH spews:

    3..”He understands the importance of the grassroots…”…..Does that mean he’ll be in charge of Democrats handing out Black Velvet and Marlboros to “enhance” the Black vote?

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    You mean next to the Republicans handing out fake prescription drug discount cards and gay bashing scare tactics to “enhance” the senior citizen vote?

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    chardonnay spews:

    what will the new third party call itself? The masses that will not vote for a democrat in the next few elections. Who will welcome them in? There is an entire group of people out there that Dean and friends are not addressing at all and haven’t for a long time. The original Democrats, pre present day Dean followers. they will leave your party in droves. If you think the princeton map of election 2004, nation wide county results looks RED, wait until 2006 and 2008.
    Here are some helpful hints for your party, free advice lets call it.
    1) your friends in Oly will raise taxes despite the sunday times advice. Majority of folks say they are already overtaxed.
    2) Majority of people are not extreme left screamers. They work, go home, mind their own business.
    3) The consistant message is doom and gloom, sky is falling (global warming). Lack of hope and vision.
    The masses will vote republican and the republicans will welcome them in. Happily.

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    GS spews:

    yeaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh! Dean couldn’t even with a lead navigate himself past Kerry! So I am happy to have him on board as the head of the Democratic Party! He is really in touch with America! It surely shows how continually out of touch you folks are. Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

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    Jpgee spews:

    chardonnay, aged wine that turned to vinegar. If I was a sour as you I would give up and move to another state. Washington has been Democratic for many years and it will remain that way. You and your fellow trolls would be better off to post relevant dissertations ( I hope you understand the word) and get on with your little lives as the ‘underdogs’

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    Mr. Cynical spews:

    “Washington has been Democratic for many years and it will remain that way”
    Uhhhhh…We have a $2.2 Billion Budget Deficit, a $58.8 million total boondoggle with the Pt. Angeles Graving Yard//Hood Canal Bridge pontoon construction etc. etc. Businesses are moving out of state and real estate prices are skyrocketing to the point average working class people can no longer afford to raise families here.

    Great Democrat Legacy jpgee. Fail to see How (A) Washington has been Democratic for years plus (B) Results of Democrat rule will equal (C) Democrat rule for years to come.

    chardonnay–you are ever so wise. Most Democrats hate the Dean mantra of doom & gloom, hate-Bush and other fecal matter that comes out of their orifices. You will see more and more moderate Dems or people that claim neither Party, side with the Republicans BASED ON THE PATHETIC LEGACY OF THE DEMS IN WASHINGTON STATE!!!!
    We will see when there is another Governor’s Race in November and the November, 2006 Legislative races…won’t we!

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    chardonnay spews:

    CATO Institute. What are their core beliefs? Democrats should at least attempt to adopt some of those core beliefs. The first American leaders based our method of Govn’t based on the ideals of Cato. Give me liberty or give me death. christmasghost.com says it perfectly, when describing liberals, like a 13 year old making major family decisions. That describes Seattle & Olympian Govn’t and Dean. I say we will always win hands down when this is our competition.
    The Seattle Times Editorial Sunday gives Oly some advice on where they could make budget cuts so the Dem Legislators may keep their seats. Lets watch to see if they take that simple advice.

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    The “masses won’t vote Democratic”?

    LOL wow. Delusion is your friend, eh?

    The masses are already voting Democratic. The Democrats took over state legislatures this cycle in Colorado, Oregon. They won the Montana Senate, North Carolina House, Vermont House, and Washington Senate. The Dems also evened up the Iowa Senate and the House in Montana is virtually tied. They also won the governorship in Montana, a state considered very red.

    All politics is local..and the Democrats are making ground at the local level, where resurgance begins.

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    GS @ 8

    Lead? What lead did Dean have? He lost the FIRST primary. ??

    The GOP laughing over Dean shows how scared they really are. What they fear are people who don’t roll over for bullshit and noise.

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    rightwingbob spews:

    These are remarks from the speech given by Howard Dean to the Democratic National party’s winter meeting 2/21/2003

    “What I want to know is why in the world the Democratic Party
    leadership is supporting the president’s unilateral attack on Iraq.

    What I want to know is why are Democratic Party leaders
    supporting tax cuts. The question is not how the big tax should be, the
    question should be can we afford a tax cut at all” .

    If you want him as your leader fine, but America does not want higher taxes they agree with the war and do not want to socialize America, all the things that Howard Dean is backing. I used this quote instead of ones given more recently to show that he has and will not change,

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    chardonnay spews:

    thanks carla, good info, but I do not consider that a big triumph for your party.

    I keep listening to Air America and I just can’t seem to find the vision and optimism. All I hear is complaining about Jeff Gannon and WMD. That is not going to cut it my friend. Iraq was a success. Think happy thoughts, listen to “real” Americans!
    When the WA Democrats in Olympia lead by the Provisional Gov, cannot find ways to balance the budget, they will lose their seats due to raising taxes, a liberal answer to responsible govn’t. Forever a democratic policy, “never cut spending, just raise taxes”. How about “Just say NO” as a new mantra re: spending?
    The talking liberal heads on a national level are screaming over the Federal budget deficit. So which is it? Bush should cut spending and Gregoire should NOT?
    Talk out of your a$$ all you want, Americans are smarter than that.
    One thing that caught my eye in the Seattle Times Sunday, the $20 million spent on adult dental care. What’s wrong with this picture?

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    Americans actually don’t agree with the war, as any number of recent opinion polling results will indicate. At the VERY BEST, it can only be said that the country is evenly divided.

    I don’t know what higher taxes has to do with affording tax CUTS–apparently nothing. Again, cuts are way down the list of priorities for Americans, and have been for a while. People would rather reduce the deficit than take tax cuts.

    I don’t know what you mean by “socialize” America, either. I didn’t know balanced budgets were the result of socialism. I didn’t know a reduction in centralized political control was, either.

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    bob @ 14

    Americans do NOT agree with the war:

    Take your pick of results. At very best, the country is quite evenly divided.

    Your comment on higher taxes has nothing to do with Dean’s comments, which refer to unaffordable tax CUTS–something which Americans repeatedly say they don’t care much about. They overwhelmingly would prefer both deficit reduction and increased spending on education and health care, than reducing taxes.

    Your comments about socialism are out of left-field. What are you referring to? Balanced budgets? Decentralized political control?

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    rightwingbob spews:

    Nice work Carla , but the wins in both of those states hardly seem to be a surprise especially Oregon that is so far left I am afraid to drive through for fear that it will drift so far from the continental US that I would not able to get back to Washington state.
    As far as Colorado let me quote and article from the Rocky Mountain News by Jim Tankersley, Rocky Mountain News November 2, 2004 Republicans have owned the state’s biggest elections for a decade. They now control the governor’s mansion, both state legislative chambers, both U.S. Senate seats and five of Colorado’s seven seats in the U.S. House of Representatives. Democrats say this is their year to break the lock. They’ve poured money into legislative races and a trio of congressional campaigns.
    Now let me throw this out the people of Colorado were disenfranchised by the whole election process because of confusion and worries similar to Washington “Polls indicate large swaths of voters aren’t sure their votes will count this year. In Colorado, their fears have been fanned by weeks of confusion concerning state and local election rules – and the prospect that teams of lawyers are ready to take disputed elections to court”.
    Now let’s sit back and see if Colorado will continue on its left leaning move after the taxes are raised and the land grabs are proposed by the democrats.

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    bob, perhaps you should have posted an article from AFTER the elections. Democrats picked up a Senate seat and a House seat in Colorado (so the delegation is now 4-3 Rs), and Democrats went from 51-42 for Bush in 2000, to 52-47. And if Oregon is so left-wing that you fear it, why did Kerry win 51-48, and why does Oregon have both a Republican Senator and House member–while Washington went 53-46 for Kerry, and has only 3 of 9 House members from the Republican Party?

    At least get your facts straight, man.

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    chardonnay spews:

    The yardstick election everyone is talking about except baghdad jim mcdermott and Air America. Do you seriously think Americans are not viewing anti-war democrats as sore losers? kennedy and kerry especially? even your godess hillary agrees with Bush on this one, she said it on meet the press.

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    rightwingbob spews:

    My point was that going into the election that Colorado was already having confusing issues similar to Washington State. As far as Oregon my contention was not that Oregon was any farther left that Washington but that it was already leaning left to begin with so where is the surprise. Carla makes it sound as if the nation is moving left when in fact it is going the other way. The left coast is historically left so what is the surprise in Washington and Oregon I just don’t see the shift going left.

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    the yardstick election? What are you talking about? Do you mean the Iraqi elections, wherein turnout was falsely inflated, poorly reported to begin with (we compute turnout on eligible voters, not registered ones), disenfranchised millions, and now seems ready to install the person partially responsible for getting us into Iraq–a felon, fugitive from justice and admitted liar to our own intelligence services–as Prime Minister? The one that has caused interfactional violence to abate not a whit? That election?

    Yes, I seriously think Americans are not viewing anti-war democrats as sore losers, since most Americans in fact disapprove of our having gone to war, and even moreso disapprove of Bush’s policies in conducting it.

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    bob @20

    if your contention was that Oregon was not any further left than Washington, why did you suggest it was drifting away from the lower 48…but Washington was still attached?

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    rightwingbob spews:

    Because the right is coming back one state at a time, one city is running Washington (Seattle) but Oregon it is the whole State. By the way if Bush was so wrong on the Iraq war why are the European jumping on the band wagon and willing to help train Iraq’s military and help in re-building the country. Isn’t it the democrats that say we should be more like Europe?

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    bob, I don’t think you know much about Oregon. Oregon is almost exactly like Washington, in that a significant chunk of the population resides in one metro area, and that outside the main college towns, the rest of the state is Western Red. Not Southern Red, but a more independent, secular, libertarian kind of red.

    What do the Europeans have to do with US sentiment? You were making accusations about the American public in reference to Dean. When I call you out for having a poor factual grasp of the situation, you drop that entirely and start talking about Europe. WTD?

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    marks spews:

    I don’t know if I really want to help D’s clean up their house (we R’s have enough to sweep up in our own), but…

    From a perspective of just how to get nationally viable again, I would suggest Dean sticks to fundraising and partisan gatherings (one and the same, I suppose). Occasionally go out on the Sunday talk show circuit, and while there refrain from flame-throwing. Terry McAuliffe is a master of rhetoric designed to impugn the right. I think Dean has quite a bit if McAuliffe in him, and if the D’s want such a message for their party, more power to them. McAuliffe’s record of national failure speaks volumes, as evidenced by 2002 and 2004.

    “All politics is local..and the Democrats are making ground at the local level, where resurgance begins.”

    I agree with Carla @ 12…(pause…Wow, no bolt of lightning! I thought I was a goner for sure…). If you can turn the local impetus into national success, I would be duly impressed…

    The national R’s in the 1993 general election did something I thought I would never see in my lifetime: they grew up. Time for your party to do the same, otherwise you will continue to fail, and possibly be replaced by a new party (perhaps an emergent Whig Party?). The reason I am a Republican is that you are the Democratic Party, a party which has fallen into an old-school syndrome of “that’s how it has always been done.”

    Find some ideas, folks…other than name calling and crying over glory past…

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    rwb @ 19:

    Either people are voting for Democrats or they aren’t. The contention by Chardonnay @ 7 was not. If you want to change the topic to now be about whether or not people are voting for Democrats in every state, that’s a different matter. But it’s pretty obvious that in many states, including red ones, Democrats are winning local races.

    In terms of Colorado…I guess torridjoe already caught you. Colorado’s legislature is Democratic now since the November 2004 election.

    The old saw about “raising taxes” seems to be trumped by the citizens of the mountain west (namely Colorado and Montana) due to environmental concerns. People want to have land available to hunt, fish and other recreational uses. Apparently they’ve awoke to the fact that Republicans aren’t especially good stewards of the enviornment. That is especially how the governorship was won in Montana.

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    chardonnay spews:

    and the environment is in crisis, global warming or global cooling? Try proving that one without fudging reports. Jury is still out in the eyes of regular americans. It is only the enviro”mental”ists that believe the theories. Just another dooms day message for the left to grasp on to.
    Yes, be good steward of the land you bought and paid for. Otherwise, get off mine.
    This is why algore is failed and why gregoire lost so badly (-261-42+129. her message to the DOE the other day was proof she is just like gore, “we’re back”. Watch the employees there update their resumes. LOL

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    It’s global warming..and if you’d actually read the reports you’re whining about, you’d know that temperature extremes (as in when areas set record lows) is a part of that.

    Gregiore lost? That’s quite a fantasy life you’ve got going there. Given the fact that she’s THE GOVERNOR and Rossi isn’t…

    Seriously…put the sauce down. Hurry.

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    torridjoe spews:

    gs @ 36

    When did Gregoire lose? There’s only been one election for governor; she won it. Rossi has never been certified governor by the Legislature, which is all that counts by law.

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    marks spews:

    Carla @ 35

    While you are in fantasyland (or assuming you ever come out of there), you might read Michael Crighton’s book “State of Fear”. Fictional stories you regurgitate from your environmental losers (oh, you call them “scientists”? You would be more pathetic than I thought) deserve the fiction rebuttal…but more to the point, you should have learned something from your ’60s indoctrinators…

    “There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.”
    – Mark Twain

    Credits page, Michael Crighton, State of Fear, 2004

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    marks spews:

    carla –

    “my enviornmental scientific

    It seems to me you obtain your information from Romper Room. Hence, my reference…

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    chardonnay spews:

    torrrrrid at 16, 17, etc

    The New Harris Interactive Poll 02/21 voters concerning Iraq. 1,012 U.S. adults between 2/8 and 2/13.

    • 88 percent of U.S. adults believe that Saddam Hussein would have made weapons of mass destruction if he could have.

    • 76 percent believe that the Iraqis are better off now than they were under Saddam Hussein.

    • 64 percent believe that history will give the U.S. credit for bringing freedom and democracy to Iraq.

    • 64 percent believe that Saddam Hussein had strong links to Al Qaeda.

    • 61 percent believe that Iraq, under Saddam Hussein, was a serious threat to U.S. security.

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    chardonnay spews:

    last Thursday at the PU debate with Perle, your boy Dr.Dean said that the problem facing Democrats on national security was “solely one of image”.
    This poll is another “peace” of evidence that counter Dean’s statment.

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    chardonnay @ 45

    …and? People believe the lies they were told, is that what you want me to conclude? You’ve chosen a set of figures that don’t even ADDRESS agreement with the war. Which stands to reason, since you’d have so little to work with if you did.

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    chardonnay spews:

    swelteringjoe@ 47
    oh, so now I need to narrow it down. ok i’ll brb, any other specifics while I’m out searching poll results? Geez, “conspiracytheoryjoe” is what you should call yourself.

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    it’s no conspiracy, and why are you searching? I linked you to a non-partisan review of major polling questions on Iraq over the last several months.

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    mark @ 44:

    Romper Room? Please. You asked me to read a novel to discount years of scientific research on global warming.

    Next you’ll be asking me to believe the writings of a gay male prostitute who’s shilled for the White House when it comes to statements made by Harry Reid.

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    marks spews:

    When a “scientist” can’t get his own HISTORICAL data correct, and other scientists who question the validity of it are ostracized, how are we to know anything on the subject is correct?
    Scientist wrong on facts, becomes advocate of “Groupthink”

    “Question Authority” should be applied to the “climatologist” who works for the environmental groups, colleges, and other suspect organizations who are postuling a theory that they “know” is “fact”…

    Show me a meteorologist who always gets the weather forecast right. Naturally, the forecast is always cushioned with a ‘percent likely’ figure, which should make it easier for said meteorologist to get it right by some percentage of the time.

    Then, show me a climatology model that has ever been right in the past by, say, 50%. You can’t, because climatology models cannot predict future events. Too many variables and no known algorithm…they do not know enough about it, and until they find a climatology model that is not off by a large degree (or several) year-by-year, they will continue to be wrong.

    Beyond that, though, I think it is wise to find an alternative source of energy. If we could harness all the hot air from these environmental groups (and you), we’d have a renewable energy source for years to come…

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    Mark @ 51:

    So now we’ve moved from getting scientific data on global warming from a novelist (Michael Crichton) to the editorial section of the Wall Street Journal.

    I prefer to get my information on enviornmental science from actual enviornmental scientists. You ask me to be skeptical and “question authority”….I’m asking you to get your head out of the ideological clouds and go the actual scientific information…instead of having it filtered for you.

    You’re a big boy, right?

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    marks spews:

    Carla needs to open her mind This report is also related to the election controversy (of 2000)…

    Not everyone agrees Even Don would appreciate this, from a retired scientist who now spends all his time doing what he did when he was working…(in Don’s case, he spends his day bitching about Mr. Cynical)

    If you are doing environmental research, be political in a bi-partisan fashion Everybody has an agenda. Except me…

    Otherwise, you become a group of one-party hacks advancing a pseudoscientific agenda These guys have great potential, but they are deluding themselves by thinking they are above politics or economics. I suggest they merge with these hacks on the other side of the aisle

    So, are you right? Am I? Are “they”? I couldn’t tell you, because they can’t either…

    If you want to dismiss this as crap, that is fine, but I just slaughtered your sacred cow…

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    marks @ 54

    You missed the point on Florida. The source cites voter registration for Democrats exceeds that of Republicans. Yet a Republican won the Presidency. My point in citing it is that voter registration is no guarantee whatsoever in terms of determining who voted for whom. It was to directly refute a point made by Sharkansky.

    Finally some links on global warming from (maybe) scientists? That’s finally better than having people try to glean information from the Wall Street Journal Ed page and Michael Crichton. Yay!

    Dismiss it or not..it’s up to you. But thank God we’re at least sticking a toe in science rather than psuedo journalism.

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    marks spews:


    You conveniently miss my point! You stated:

    It’s global warming..and if you’d actually read the reports you’re whining about, you’d know that temperature extremes (as in when areas set record lows) is a part of that.

    How do you know that, when I can’t glean any such data from these sources?

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    marks spews:


    You are proving the greenhouse effect? That is well known. However:

    “Internationally, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), under the auspices of the United Nations (UN), World Meteorological Organization (WMO), and the United Nations Environment Program (UNEP), is the most senior and authoritative body providing scientific advice to global policy makers[…] Due to the enormous complexity of the atmosphere, the most useful tools for gauging future changes are ‘climate models'[…]by definition, a computer model is a simplification and simulation of reality, meaning that it is an approximation of the climate system[…]wide range of possible forcing scenarios, and consequently a wide range of possible future climates.1.4 – 5.8°C from 1990-2100. However, this global average will integrate widely varying regional responses”

    Now, to the detractors who also cite this crap:

    ”There are several problems with the theoretical underpinnings of the standard IPCC theory of global warming due to anthropogenic greenhouse gases (AGHG)[…] the IPCC says a doubling of carbon dioxide will cause a warming of 1.5 to 4.5 C and have a climate sensitivity between 0.43 and 1.29 C/W/m2. They get these high numbers by assuming a number of positive feedbacks exist including changes in water vapor, cloud cover, and snow and ice cover[…]IPCC economic models overestimate the rate at which carbon dioxide will enter the atmosphere over the next century. It leads to farfetched warming numbers such as 5.8 C[…] the upper limit on warming due to a doubling of carbon dioxide is 0.7 C and it is probably much less. The high numbers used by the IPCC are not supported by measurements.”

    I told you to read the links, and you give me this crap?. Face it, you don’t know, despite the ‘science’ you are so proud of…

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    marks spews:


    To the drivel you posted:

    ”UCS was founded in 1969 by faculty members and students at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology who were concerned about the misuse of science and technology in society. Their statement called for the redirection of scientific research to pressing environmental and social problems.”

    No, they could not be ADVOCATING, could they?

    Nature: ”EDITOR:[…] She has a PhD in medical microbiology/ Helen Pilcher, Reporter, London[…]The Comedy Research Project, a stand-up comedy show about science. Helen Pearson, Reporter, New York Helen has a PhD in genetics and a taste for adventures in far-flung destinations. ”

    Where are the Climatologists?????

    Now we are getting somewhere…
    ”The World Meteorological Organization is an intergovernmental organization with a membership of 187 Member States and Territories. It originated from the International Meteorological Organization (IMO), which was founded in 1873. Established in 1950, WMO became the specialized agency of the United Nations for meteorology (weather and climate), operational hydrology and related geophysical sciences. ”

    Oh, yeah, the people who can’t tell you within an 80% certainty that the sun may make an appearance?

    Carla, I expected real science, and you give me a Microbiologist, stand up comic (oh, but it is about science), and geneticist????

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    marks spews:

    Just for laughs,

    “It originated from the International Meteorological Organization (IMO)”

    Hence the shorthand: (I)n (M)y (O)pinion…

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    chardonnay spews:

    not to rain on your enviro”mental”wackoextremist parade, but i found a cute article re: liberals eating their own.
    February 25, 2005

    Liberal Groups Keeping Close Eye on Dean
    It’s this balancing act between pleasing the more liberal parts of the party while also appealing to middle-of-the-road voters that will be Dean’s biggest challenge, said Charles Franklin, a political scientist from the University of Wisconsin-Madison.

    “Howard Dean almost certainly has to disappoint his strongest liberal supporters simply because he’s going to have to serve a broader Democratic Party,” Franklin said. “So it’s almost inevitable that there will be charges of sellout.”

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    If you want to debunk the science, go for it. But please spare me the righteous indignation of “advocation”. Either they’re using good science or they’re not.

    You’re using the well worn out Republican strategy of shooting the messenger. While it might be cute and timely in GOP circles…it’s nothing more than intellectual vacuity.

    So debunk their science or prove they’re not using good science. Or don’t, if you can’t.

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    marks spews:


    I think it is fair to say this: You are correct, to an extent. As am I, to an extent.

    I posed this in partisan terms, as I view you as adversarial when it comes to dealing with opinions from my side of the aisle. That characterization is likely true based on your response above.

    I was ready with a number of Web articles and analysis from sources in the climatology field. I realize now they are not necessary…

    I want you to know that this effort has helped me learn something, not about the science of global warming, but of personal crusades. They can be damning to the person who embarks upon them.

    With that said, I offer my apologies for impugning your beliefs. Mother Earth has become a religion…