Weekend open thread

I’ll be in transit Saturday, returning from a week of Florida sunshine. So talk amongst yourselves.

Comments

  1. 2

    Puddybud spews:

    Marks: I was looking to see what rise I could get from Goldy and his ASSHeads. The ASSes are running the French Asylum!

  2. 5

    marks spews:

    Puddybud,

    You reserved the Mark Steyn nuke for this? Please, remain semi- neutral, at least…

  3. 7

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    415

    So what would YOU have done, Puttybrains? Invade North Korea? Bomb their reactor? Start Korean War II?

  4. 8

    Puddybud spews:

    Roger Dumb Bunny: Wait a minute. If the Clintonistas did their job, the “fuel rods” would have never been created. You were the one who first floated the premise that NK had nukes under Bush’s watch in your post. Now you change your tune. It takes years to get to the place where the “Il” one “flips” Bush off. Those years were onder Half-Bright and Clinton’s watch. No excuse, no excuse!

  5. 9

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    416

    I see nothing in that piece that says North Korea acquired nuclear weapons prior to Bush taking office. The bottom line is that using centrifuges to process uranium into weapons-grade U-235 in clandestine labs is a slow and tedious process that would have taken NK many years. When Kim Il Jong flipped Bush the bird and carted off the duel rods to a reactor for processing into plutonium, that dramatically shortened the time it would take for NK to get a bomb — from over 10 years to a few months. This happened on Bush’s watch. You’ve posted nothing to refute that. Was NK pursuing nuclear weapons during Clinton’s presidency? Sure, and maybe no U.S. president could have kept NK from eventually acquiring weapons. But NK’s policy changes in response to Bush’s policy greatly accelerated the timeline.

    I personally don’t think nuclear proliferation can be stopped. Nuclear weapons provide governments with a level of security against foreign attack they can’t get any other way. And nuclear weapons are cheap — much, much, cheaper than maintaining a large standing army or a navy or an air force. In cost terms, nuclear weapons are within reach of even small third world countries. And I guarantee that a saber-rattling U.S. administration only encourages paranoid tinpot dictators to look at acquiring nuclear weapons as a kind of insurance policy. I think eventually nearly all countries will have them.

  6. 10

    Puddybud spews:

    CluelessASS: I haven’t had time to check Able Danger lately. Traveling to new site. Partial network crash today. One switch all red. No one knows why. Have to order one in. I suggested sledge! I’ll get back to you.

  7. 11

    Puddybud spews:

    Roger Dumb Bunny: Here is the link you missed. The Clintonistas telling GWB to stay the course (look the other way) on North Korea.

    http://www.isis-online.org/pub.....ef301.html

    Yeah, while they were building centrifuges,

    “George this is Bill. Look the other way. Don’t let Madeline look foolish. Don’t have Colin looking too good too early!”

    Why not Bill. I don’t trust North Korea. We think they have nukular weapons”

    “George, people are uneasy about this. Stay the course!”

    Above was a hypo conversation between Hill Billy and GWB. While Clinton dithered, NK worked!

  8. 13

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    407

    Puttybutt — I couldn’t find a single reputable source on the internet that agrees with your assertion that NK could have acquired nuclear weapons before Bush took office. You’re blowing smoke.

  9. 15

    Cougar spews:

    LMAO @ THis: HE MAY be the most powerful man in the world, but proof has emerged that President George Bush cannot ride a bike, wave and speak at the same time.

    Scotland on Sunday has obtained remarkable details of one of the most memorably bizarre episodes of the Bush presidency: the day he crashed into a Scottish police constable while cycling in the grounds of Gleneagles Hotel.

    Police used the term “moving/falling object” when discussing GWB.

    http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=297002006

  10. 16

    For the Clueless spews:

    Freep:

    I don’t get it Freep. Sonntag is a democrat. How are you going to square this with members of your whacked-out crowd who take Murdoch and Regnery publications as the ultimate truth?

    Everything else aside you made a good choice. I voted for Sonntag because I thought he was the best man for the job.

    Now how’s that Able Danger bullshit going?

  11. 17

    Cougar spews:

    This Makes Sense:

    GAY ADOPTION. State Senator Robert Hagan (D-Ohio) says he will introduce legislation to ban Republican couples from adopting children. According to Hagan, “credible research” shows that adopted children raised in GOP households are more at risk for developing “emotional problems, social stigmas, inflated egos, and alarming lack of tolerance for others they deem different than themselves and an air of overconfidence to mask their insecurities.” Hagan agrees there is no scientific evidence backing his claims about Republican parents — just, as Hagan notes, there is none backing State Representative Ron Hood’s (R) bill banning gay parents from adopting. Hood claims children purportedly suffer from emotional “harm” when they are adopted by gay couples. Hagen admits he created his proposal to mock Hood’s proposed ban on gay adoption in a way that people would see the “blatantly discriminatory and extremely divisive” nature of the bill. The GOP House leadership does not support Hood’s proposal.

    http://www.politics1.com/blog-0206a.htm#0227

  12. 18

    Voter Advocate spews:

    332.

    Oh, I’m not at all convinced that anything other than incompetance occurred in 2004, George.

    I just want to tweak the trolls who constantly accuse King County of being a political arm of the Democratic Party.

    It’s good to remind people that, had over 1600 ballots not been misplaced, the spin on that election would have been different.

  13. 19

    Puddybud spews:

    Roger Dumb Rabbit.From Google 16,800,000 hits. All indications on the web suggest that NK was enriching Uranium during Hill Billy’s years. Assume 100 centrifuges a month before 1994 to 2001. They had the material during Madeline Half-Bright’s years as SoS. It happened under your watch and we discovered it under our watch. Good try dumb bunny!

  14. 20

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    MTR … 500 thou … I hope she was a good lay while it lasted, Mark! (snicker) (chuckle) hee hee (snort) hee haw har ha ha ha ha ha

  15. 23

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wow! This thread is already over 400 posts! That’s more than Stefan’s sucky little blog gets in six months!

  16. 24

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Sucky Politics is so bad, even Stefan prefers to read HorsesAss. Don’t you, Stefan?

  17. 25

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Hey Stefan! I know you read this blog! Got a question for you, dude. Why are you gonna keep all the loot from your lawsuit against King County instead of sharing it with the generous donors to your “legal action fund” who paid for the lawsuit? Because you’re a greedy prick, or because you can’t hold a job and need the money?

  18. 26

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    372

    “Second, when did North Korea go nukular?”

    Probably sometime in mid to late 2003, after Bush fucked up the negotiations with North korea. See above.

  19. 27

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    372 (c0ntinued)

    Hey puttybetweenears, got a foot fetish? You can lick my furry paws anytime! For a good time, call 1-800-RRABBIT.

  20. 28

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Here’s an article taking the view that North Korea does have nuclear weapons — but points out the earliest North Korea could have processed enough plutonium to make a bomb was mid-2003:

    “Rolling Blunder

    “How the Bush administration let North Korea get nukes.

    “By Fred Kaplan

    “On Oct. 4, 2002, officials from the U.S. State Department flew to Pyongyang, the capital of North Korea, and confronted Kim Jong-il’s foreign ministry with evidence that Kim had acquired centrifuges for processing highly enriched uranium, which could be used for building nuclear weapons. To the Americans’ surprise, the North Koreans conceded. It was an unsettling revelation, coming just as the Bush administration was gearing up for a confrontation with Iraq. This new threat wasn’t imminent; processing uranium is a tedious task; Kim Jong-il was almost certainly years away from grinding enough of the stuff to make an atomic bomb.

    “But the North Koreans had another route to nuclear weapons–a stash of radioactive fuel rods, taken a decade earlier from its nuclear power plant in Yongbyon. These rods could be processed into plutonium–and, from that, into A-bombs–not in years but in months. Thanks to an agreement brokered by the Clinton administration, the rods were locked in a storage facility under the monitoring of international weapons-inspectors. Common sense dictated that–whatever it did about the centrifuges–the Bush administration should do everything possible to keep the fuel rods locked up.

    “Unfortunately, common sense was in short supply. After a few shrill diplomatic exchanges over the uranium, Pyongyang … expelled the international inspectors, broke the locks on the fuel rods, loaded them onto a truck, and drove them to a nearby reprocessing facility, to be converted into bomb-grade plutonium. The White House stood by and did nothing.

    “Why did George W. Bush–his foreign policy avowedly devoted to stopping ‘rogue regimes’ from acquiring weapons of mass destruction–allow one of the world’s most dangerous regimes to acquire the makings of the deadliest WMDs? Given the current mayhem and bloodshed in Iraq, it’s hard to imagine a decision more ill-conceived than invading that country unilaterally without a plan for the ‘post-war’ era. But the Bush administration’s inept diplomacy toward North Korea might well have graver consequences. President Bush made the case for war in Iraq on the premise that Saddam Hussein might soon have nuclear weapons–which turned out not to be true. Kim Jong-il may have nuclear weapons now; he certainly has enough plutonium to build some, and the reactors to breed more.

    “Yet Bush has neither threatened war nor pursued diplomacy. He has recently, and halfheartedly, agreed to hold talks; the next round is set for June. But any deal that the United States might cut now to dismantle North Korea’s nuclear-weapons program will be harder and costlier than a deal that Bush could have cut 18 months ago, when he first had the chance, before Kim Jong-il got his hands on bomb-grade material and the leverage that goes with it.

    “The pattern of decision making that led to this debacle–as described to me in recent interviews with key former administration officials who participated in the events–will sound familiar to anyone who has watched Bush and his cabinet in action. It is a pattern of wishful thinking, blinding moral outrage, willful ignorance of foreign cultures, a naive faith in American triumphalism, a contempt for the messy compromises of diplomacy, and a knee-jerk refusal to do anything the way the Clinton administration did it. …”

    For complete article, see http://www.washingtonmonthly.c.....aplan.html

  21. 29

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Of course, the only reason anybody thinks North Korea has nuclear weapons, is because North Korea says it has nuclear weapons.

  22. 30

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    From an article in the respected journal “Foreign Affairs”:

    “Much has been written about the North Korean nuclear danger, but one crucial issue has been ignored: just how much credible evidence is there to back up Washington’s uranium accusation? Although it is now widely recognized that the Bush administration misrepresented and distorted the intelligence data it used to justify the invasion of Iraq, most observers have accepted at face value the assessments the administration has used to reverse the previously established U.S. policy toward North Korea.

    “But what if those assessments were exaggerated and blurred the important distinction between weapons-grade uranium enrichment (which would clearly violate the 1994 Agreed Framework) and lower levels of enrichment (which were technically forbidden by the 1994 accord but are permitted by the nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty [NPT] and do not produce uranium suitable for nuclear weapons)?

    “A review of the available evidence suggests that this is just what happened. Relying on sketchy data, the Bush administration presented a worst-case scenario as an incontrovertible truth and distorted its intelligence on North Korea (much as it did on Iraq), seriously exaggerating the danger that Pyongyang is secretly making uranium-based nuclear weapons.”

    http://www.foreignaffairs.org/.....cheat.html

  23. 31

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    362

    “WhTF is Puddy’s Rosebud? You been pickin my roses? Ohhhh… that rosebud. I guess you want to lick it? Visit me in the midwest this week! Comment by Puddybud— 2/26/06 @ 7:58 pm”

    I have a cute cottontail that looks like a marshmallow. Want to lick my marshmallow? For a good time, call 1-800-RRABBIT.

  24. 32

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    353

    “Kill yourself for being stupid. We need to stop you from breeding more dumb bunnies before you spread your idiocy.”

    You first.

  25. 33

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    What the hell, these comment numbers change anyway as posts are released from Goldy’s spam filter.

  26. 34

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    352

    “Comforting note for all: In the most recent ‘job approval’ survey for the current US Senators the ‘bottom 10′ includes Sen Frist and 8 other RepubliCONS.”

    Why stop at 10? That survey shows 16 of the bottom 20 are Republicans.

  27. 35

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    250

    “left leaning ABA”

    I certainly hope the American Bunny Association is not right leaning!!! If I find out they are, I won’t renew my membership.

  28. 37

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Even North Korea — not people whose word you would trust in the first place — doesn’t claim to have had a bomb before 2001.

  29. 38

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    348

    “North Korea got nukes? … 1994 JackASS! Comment by Puddybud— 2/26/06 @ 2:17 pm”

    Bullshit! — and your own cite doesn’t support that claim.

  30. 39

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    North Korea got nukes on Bush’s watch, you lying fuck. And what has he done about it?

  31. 41

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    For you newbies on this site, my post above is a sexually explicit insult that comments on Puttybutt’s lack of manhood where it counts.

  32. 42

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    344

    “Roger Rabbit@95, why do you call most people who vehemently disagree with your socialist agenda bullshit ‘Kevin Carnes’? Comment by Puddybud— 2/26/06 @ 1:44 pm”

    Because most of them ARE Kevin Carnes. Interesting that you say being called “Kevin Carnes” is a “smear.” I would agree with you — I wouldn’t want to be called “Kevin Carnes” either — except it’s not a smear if it’s true.

  33. 43

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Of course, Kevin Carnes can prevent mistakes and misunderstandings by coming clean about which screen names are his. How about it, Kev? Hey Kev, we know you read this blog — how about publishing a list of your screen names.

    I notice Mr. Cynical, prr, chardonnay, and several others haven’t been around since Goldy “outed” Kevin.

  34. 45

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    349

    I might be impressed if it was U-235 (apart from the fact that believing NK has plutonium is not the same thing as NK having plutonium) — but in the case of plutonium, having weapons-grade nuclear material is not the same thing as having a bomb. There’s the little matter of explosive lenses and triggers. Anybody can build a gun-type bomb, but that design only works with U-235. Plutonium requires a much more difficult-to-build implosion device.

  35. 47

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    FLORIDA SAYS “NO” TO JEB BUSH FOR WHITE HOUSE

    From a Strategic Vision poll conducted Feb. 22:

    “7. Would you like to see Governor Jeb Bush run for President in 2008?
    “Yes 18%
    “No 65%
    “Undecided 17%”

  36. 48

    Puddybud spews:

    Wow RugratASS: Such witty blog material. Most worthy of Dullest knife status! Keep up the good work! You make donnageddon seem smart, you give a clue to clueless and air to vacuum packed windie, morals to RevMan, and a mind to drivel and that takes work!

  37. 49

    Puddybud spews:

    As I say good night from the midwest I present the full-on maximum brain power of rugratASS in #377.

  38. 50

    Puddybud spews:

    So CluelessASS, did you vote for Sonntag because he was donk or because he was the best candidate? My guess for you is because he was donk! You couldn’t vote for a right side thinker if your life depended upon it!

  39. 52

    Puddybud spews:

    RugratASS: Is there a Mrs. RugratASS? If so we need to meet the woman on ASSes. If she is real, what else did/does she see in you besides looking into your eyes and viewing two red letter flashing capital Vacancy signs?

    My wife says this site is too vulgar. I told her that’s the beauty of posting here. You never regret what you say to a librul!

  40. 53

    Puddybud spews:

    Yeah, RevMan enquiring minds want to know. Exclude rugratASS from the previous sentence! RugratASS – No mind, mo matter, no intelligence, no worries, no sense!

  41. 55

    Puddybud spews:

    So RevMan, I asked Roger Dumb Rabbit when North Korea became nuclear but it seems the fur is caught in his paws. So I’ll ask you.

    First, is it anabaptist or anababtist. You wrote it, please clarify!
    Second, when did North Korea go nukular?

    Thanks in advance for your well thought out answers!

  42. 56

    Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist spews:

    Nukular Kapability? Bush himself said it: “Fool me once …….ahh………….ahhhhhhhhh……….Won’t git fooled agin’!”

  43. 59

    Puddybud spews:

    rugratASS AKA “I want to Lick Puddy’s Rosebud: Did you figure out where Dulles Airport is located? Hint Google IAD, John Foster Dulles, DC Airport. Just trying to help you rugratASS.

    Regarding the inheritance tax, why do donko progressives want to tax wealth? Why not retroactively tax it? Start with the Mellons’, DuPonts’ Kennedys’ Rockefellers’ etc. See what uproar occurs with them rich white guys. Ohhh… they can’t have a monument at UW either!

  44. 60

    spews:

    rugratASS…Windie with ASSFacia…cluelessASS… DrivelASS…bwaaaaaakkkk…P.S. Puddy’s not BLACK…bwaaaaaakkkk…bwaaaaaakkkk…Puddy can’t read (the tax code)…bwaaaaaakkkk…rugratASS…Windie with ASSFacia… I want to lick it bwaaaaaakkkk…confusing drivel…bwaaaaaakkkk….worthless commentary…bwaaaaaakkkk…bwaaaaaakkkk…

  45. 61

    Puddybud spews:

    RevMan: You didn’t answer the question. Is it Anabaptist or Anababtist?

    You wrote it. Confusing drivel. Worthless commentary!

  46. 62

    Puddybud spews:

    CluelessASS: I’ll give you 100 minutes to find my response. I guess while you were busy doing something completely worthless, you missed my answer. I bet GBS know what I typed!

  47. 63

    Puddybud spews:

    CluelessASS: I have to iron my clothes for tomorrow’s meeting so I’ll help your sorry excuse for a human being ASS out! The wife and I voted for Brian Sonntag! In fact we remember meeting him once a few years back at some function the wife was invited to! He is a nice guy and smart. We wonder how he became donko because he has a BRAIN, unlike the cluelessASS one! There are good donkocrats doing good work. They are FEW and F A R between though!

  48. 64

    Puddybud spews:

    DrivelASS: You are aptly named by God, just like cluelessASS.

    WhTF is Puddy’s Rosebud? You been pickin my roses? Ohhhh… that rosebud. I guess you want to lick it? Visit me in the midwest this week!

  49. 65

    Drivel spews:

    There you have it. Proof that puddybud is not a real person, he is an educated parrot that someone let loose on the keyboard, nothing more.

  50. 66

    spews:

    1. rugratASS…Windie with ASSFacia…cluelessASS…bwaaaaaakkkk…P.S. Puddy’s not BLACK…bwaaaaaakkkk…bwaaaaaakkkk…Puddy can’t read (the tax code)…bwaaaaaakkkk…rugratASS…Windie with ASSFacia… cluelessASS…bwaaaaaakkkk…P.S. Puddy’s not BLACK…bwaaaaaakkkk…bwaaaaaakkkk…Puddy can’t read (the tax code)…bwaaaaaakkkk…rugratASS…Windie with ASSFacia… cluelessASS…bwaaaaaakkkk…P.S. Puddy’s not BLACK…bwaaaaaakkkk…bwaaaaaakkkk…Puddy can’t read (the tax code)…bwaaaaaakkkk…rugratASS…Windie with ASSFacia…bwaaaaaakkkk…P.S. Puddy’s not BLACK…bwaaaaaakkkk…bwaaaaaakkkk…Puddy can’t read (the tax code)…bwaaaaaakkkk…rugratASS…Windie with ASSFacia… cluelessASS… cluelessASS…bwaaaaaakkkk…P.S. Puddy’s not BLACK…bwaaaaaakkkk…bwaaaaaakkkk…Puddy can’t read (the tax code)…bwaaaaaakkkk…

  51. 70

    For the Clueless spews:

    Kevin Carnes @ 349

    Freep, why do you associate people you disagree with politically with the solid excretory organs? You and Oink ought to get together! A true meeting of the minds at its finest!

    And anyone who swallows wingnut bullshit at the rate you do can’t be the sharpest knife in the drawer.

  52. 71

    Puddybud spews:

    @158Dr.E: I’ll bite. Persian peeples are a different branch. They look different, they speak different, but they worship Mohammad!

  53. 72

    Puddybud spews:

    Roger Rabbit@95, why do you call most people who vehemently disagree with your socialist agenda bullshit “Kevin Carnes”? You have no argument so you smear your opponents. Moonbat lunacy at it’s best.

    Oh yes, hello marks & GBS from the Midwest!

  54. 73

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Pay To The Order Of: Mrs. Redneck, the Sum of FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND AND NO/100 DOLLARS … hey MTR she got you good, huh?!!! :D :D :D

    HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR

  55. 74

    Dr. E spews:

    “Persian peeples are a different branch. They look different, they speak different, but they worship Mohammad!”

    Here’s one thing all you right wingers need to think about before condining Bushco’s beating of the war drums in preparation for a strike on Iran: Iran is an ethnically complex country, made up of a number of different ethnic groups. Some of these groups, like the Kurds and Azeris, span national boundaries and consider the areas of Iran they live in to be part of their ethnic homeland.

    Now, we’ve already seen the type of internecine violence that Bush is responsible in Iraq. Do you want that in Iran, too, just because Bushco claims that they’ve got (or will have) nukes? (Which, of course, still leaves open the question as to how they’d lob them at us, but that didn’t stop the panic and fear over an even more tenuous assertion over Iraqi WMDs.) Want real and utter chaos across a good swath of southwest Asia? Bush is your man to deliver the goods.

    I’m just sayin’…

  56. 75

    Puddybud spews:

    RevMan@73: Check yer spellin boy!

    [JCH]: Since you are a conservative born-again after-birth, do you even know what an ANABAPTIST is? I doubt it.

    Comment by Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist— 2/25/06 @ 10:28 am

    Which is it? Anababtist or Anabaptist? Maybe with your anal persuasion in some of yer posts it’s Analbaptist?

  57. 76

    Dr. E spews:

    “Dr. E posts a reasonable press release @265 (that he promptly dismisses) explaining how the government assessed the issue:”

    Take it for what it is, a press release. As such, it does not get to the reasons behind why the gov’t suddenly has a hard-on for this deal. That’s why I’m dismissing it.

  58. 77

    Puddybud spews:

    Cougar@56: Yes, when Jesse HiJackson and Tawanna Al Sharpton quit preaching politics in the black churches or when they stop inviting the dummocraptic candidate to the pulpit on Sunday, I cheer too!

  59. 78

    For the Clueless spews:

    Freep, regarding crayons and construction paper:

    I don’t recall you ever answering my question from a while back: who did you vote for State Auditor in 2004? The Democrat, the Republican or the the Libertarian?

    And yes, I know who all three are.

  60. 79

    Puddybud spews:

    MTR: You have to excuse rugratASS (rujax)! He thought Dulles Airport was in Dallas! He is truly the Dullest of the dull moonbat ASSHead knives on ASSes!

  61. 80

    Puddybud spews:

    Dr E.: I am sure you uphold the ideals of law professor Dr. Alan Dershowitz.

    “But many supporters saw politics in Summers’ departure.

    Law professor Alan Dershowitz has argued Summers was done in by a core group of faculty angered over his support for the military, Israel, and for his comments on women in science — the last of which he apologized for repeatedly.

    “I’m clearly in the left 20 percent of the country, nationally. I’m a Ted Kennedy liberal,” Dershowitz said. “In the Faculty of Arts and Sciences, I’m in the 10 percent side of the conservatives.”

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.....d_politics

    Yes, the big time college campuses are run by the loony lefty moonbat donkocratic moby trolls! If Dershowitz says so, it must be TRUE! I am glad that is not my IVY League alma mater!

    Speaking of such: “K”, which IVY league school did you attend? I don’t remember your answer to my question!!!!!

  62. 81

    Drivel spews:

    Puddybud, drawing with color crayons and construction paper are probably the limit of your few talents. And I might agree with you on the RR breeding ‘dumb bunnies’ topic as everyone knows that 98% of all dumb bunnies are on your side of the political spectrum, now runalong, get out your KY Jelly and look for JCH.

  63. 83

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    338

    I’ve never said Republicans aren’t consistent. They’re consistently stupid.

  64. 84

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    They appear to have a consistency problem now, though. Wasn’t so long ago that wingers were talking about annihilating the people they call “ragheads” or “towelheads,” meaning every Muslim on earth and apparently a good many of the rest of the world’s non-Christian* population.

    * “Christian,” as used here, refers to the religiously-conservative pseudo-Christians who absurdly claim they believe or practice real Christianity.

  65. 85

    Tree Frog Farmer spews:

    Don’t worry Roger, Mark the Retarded Redneck is out there even as we speak, collecting aluminum cans. Just maybe, after getting a refill for those forty ouncers he’ll have some left over to kick toward the gambling debt.

  66. 87

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    336

    “Janet – I’m with you on the Sonics. Let them go. Does anybody GAF about basketball? I have never been to a sonics game and have never watched one on TV. The only good part about basketball are the occasional sound clips you hear on the news… those are priceless.”

    Hey MTR — we agree on something! I’ve had it with billionaires ripping off the taxpayers. (Hint: that’s why I’ll never vote for a Republican again.) Let Howard move his team to Bellevue! Janet can watch the games from her “deluxe seating box” (orange crate under faded canvas awning of her 1948 Airstream, with portable TV on folding card table).

  67. 88

    Puddybud spews:

    Donnageddon, I forgot to tell you. Lt. Gen. Russel Honore was on CNN last week. Great Interview. Do you remember his “You are stuck on stupid” comment. I immediately thought of you! Then I found these on the net and I modified them for your benefit!

    But then this comment is more likely of you: “You are the poster child for birth control. Can’t you see his face in Planned Parenthood? In ancient Greece you would have been left on a hill to die as a baby.”

    And Roger, since you claim to fuck as a bunny: “Kill yourself for being stupid. We need to stop you from breeding more dumb bunnies before you spread your idiocy.”

    And for cluelessASS: “What part of this do you not understand regarding RevMan and his anal fixations? Am I going to need to draw RevMan working his anal dildo on construction paper with crayon for you to comprehend?”

  68. 89

    marks spews:

    I see Donna continues to engage in Patrick J. Buchanan-style populist-xenophobic demagoguery. Dr. E posts a reasonable press release @265 (that he promptly dismisses) explaining how the government assessed the issue:

    The ports will remain under the ownership and control of state and local authorities, not DP World. As a port operator, not owner, DP World will manage the physical equipment and movement of containers on and off of ships […]
    Done so with US workers, naturally.
    Also, the latest on the review already conducted by the government, and the lone initial objection from Homeland Security, retracted when concessions were obtained.

    And then Bob from Boeing goes for the jugular @319, proving that the port security issue is at odds with Dem consistency. To marry the two issues, read this.

    An excerpt: In the background, down in the river, is a boat on an undefined, and perhaps perfectly legal, mission. But, the Web site informs us, “with not a single border patrol officer in site.” Spelling error aside, you have to wonder if the candidate wasn’t longing for Dick Cheney’s trusty Perazzi Brescia so he could enforce his own rough border justice.
    And: Congressional complainers should, as Bush suggested, “step up and explain why a Middle Eastern company is held to a different standard” than the British firm, an offshoot of the venerable old P&O maritime operation, that sold the unit to Dubai Ports World.

    At least somebody out there is thinking consistently…

  69. 90

    George Bakan spews:

    This old election stuff has shelf life – as they say. During the debacle, I had a couple of friends staying with me.

    Like you, Voter Advocate, they were convinced the
    R’s had stashed ballots in King County to supress the Gregoire count. I was never completely convinced, but it would make perfect sense. Poor Dean Logan, such rosy cheeks, kicked around like an old rag doll.

    Onward. That oh so close election should boost voter participation for a very long time. No voices saying my vote is not important, ever again.

  70. 91

    Mark The Redneck spews:

    Janet – I’m with you on the Sonics. Let them go. Does anybody GAF about basketball? I have never been to a sonics game and have never watched one on TV. The only good part about basketball are the occasional sound clips you hear on the news… those are priceless.

    I’m sure at least some of the moonbats here would want them to stay. Can any of you explain why? Also explain why billionaire owners should get taxpayer money to subsidize their foolish operations.

  71. 92

    Cougar spews:

    and on the more intellectual side of GWB:

    Cheney gets a call from his “boss”, W.
    “I’ve got a problem,” says W.
    “What’s the matter?” asks Cheney.
    “Well, you told me to keep busy in the Oval Office, so, I got a jigsaw puzzle, but it’s too hard. None of the pieces fit together and I can’t find any edges.”
    “What’s it a picture of?” asks Cheney.
    “A big rooster,” replies W.
    “All right,” sighs Cheney, “I’ll come over and have a look.”
    So he leaves his office and heads over to the Oval Office. W points at the jigsaw on his desk.
    Cheney looks at the desk and then turns to W and says, “For crying out loud, Georgie – put the corn flakes back in the box.”

    thanks to GeorgeWClampett

  72. 93

    Voter Advocate spews:

    275.

    Thank you very much RR. You not bad yourself. You are practically an expert at the “KC method” of rigged elections. I think the world would like to hear from you. Especially the third world.

    Comment by RUFUS— 2/25/06 @ 10:02 pm

    Yeah, counting all the votes is what Republicans think of as vote rigging. Even after they’ve terrorized all the people they don’t want to vote, they have to supress the votes that are cast.

    One last time. If all the votes cast in King County were counted the first time, Rossi would never have been ahead.

    # votes in first certification 876, 168
    # votes in certification of manual recount 877, 805

    That’s 1697 more votes in the last recount than on the initial count.

    For every 100 votes in King County, Gregoire gained on Rossi by 17.6.

    1,697 X 17.6 / 100 = 298.6 more votes for Gregoire. That’s the election.

    If you Republicans hadn’t been running around KCRE hiding trays of ballots, we could have save a lot of money and time.

    As it was, cameras had to be installed, more sheriffs deputies, added cage security, all to keep watch on you cheaters.

  73. 94

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Like Freep, Sucky Politics is nothing more than a circle jerk of wingnuts stroking each other.

  74. 95

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    327

    “I was struck by the fact that it is not filled with trolls from our side initiating insults and scatological references.”

    There’s two reasons for that.

    1. Stefan makes you register so he can found out who you are, then publicly outs you.

    2. Stefan bans posters who don’t toe the wingnut line.

    Makes for a pretty sterile blog, doesn’t it? Even the wingnuts can’t stand it … so they post over here.

  75. 96

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    323

    “George, I think you are correct. The rightwing has very few positive notes on their scorecard. What is one more black mark for this states minority party? Comment by Cougar— 2/26/06 @ 6:20 am”

    Hmmm … you’ve got a point. Another black mark against WSRP is analogous to another murder count against Gary Ridgeway — what more can the voters do to them?

  76. 97

    Cougar spews:

    Thomas, that should ensure Nixon of atleast 45 votes! ( the entire readership of unSoundPolitics)…oh, add the trolls here to get to the magic number….55

  77. 98

    vancouversucks spews:

    I scanned stefan’s little diner too. (for the first time) I was struck by the fact that it is not filled with trolls from our side initiating insults and scatological references. We don’t go there and track off into racist, homophobic slurs.

    This — for no other reason — ought to demonstrate just how UNCIVIL the right’s dialog is, and how they have no interest in civil society. Forget that their policies have been proven incorrect time after time. Even assuming thier policies are correct, their lack of civility provides the basis for an America constantly at war with itself.

    Who, in their sound mind, would chose a governing vision based on sustaining itself by causing cultural Balkinization, zealotry and constant cultural warfare? Why do they hate America so much?

  78. 99

    vancouversucks spews:

    Nevermind. I know. There are plenty of profits to be made eating the country from the indside out. Patriots my ass.

  79. 100

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    319, 320

    Hey Bob — I never said I was AGAINST Bush’s guest worker program … I merely pointed out that Bush’s motive is to drive down wages. The wingers are beside themselves! Forced to choose between greed or racism, they’re even more racist than greedy! if that’s possible.

    McGavick has an image problem, namely his $14 million CEO salary. How many people would vote for the Big Insurance Candidate from the Big Business Party if they knew who this guy is? That’s why McGavick doesn’t dare put the GOP label on his campaign ads. He wants voters to think he’s a Democrat or independent! Well, one of the reasons. Other reasons for concealing his GOP identity include: Iraq quagmire, torture scandal, Katrina fiasco, corruption, cronyism, ad naus. Mike McG. is giving the term “stealth candidate” a whole new meaning … i.e., when your party is only slightly more popular than the Khmer Rouge, try to fly in under the radar …

  80. 101

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    322

    Tebilius speechless? Hmmmm. That’s suspect — she loves to hear herself talk so much, her silence is ominous. She’s probably waiting for Karl Rove to get back to her on how to spin this so WSRP’s homophobia doesn’t look like homophobia. You know, the same way they portray torturing innocent Iraqi civilians in their Abu Ghraib hellhole as advancing the cause of freedom …

  81. 102

    Cougar spews:

    George, I think you are correct. The rightwing has very few positive notes on their scorecard. What is one more black mark for this states minority party?

  82. 103

    Thomas Trainwinder spews:

    Just scanned soundpolitics. Apparently, Stefan is now Rep. Toby Nixon’s front man for his re-election campaign.

  83. 104

    Cougar spews:

    and you thought Dubai Ports taking over the management and cargo security of 6 ports on the East Coast was bad?

    WASHINGTON, Feb. 24 (UPI) — A United Arab Emirates government-owned company is poised to take over port terminal operations in 21 American ports, far more than the six widely reported.

    The Bush administration has approved the takeover of British-owned Peninsular & Oriental Steam Navigation Co. to DP World, a deal set to go forward March 2 unless Congress intervenes.

    P&O is the parent company of P&O Ports North America, which leases terminals for the import and export and loading and unloading and security of cargo in 21 ports, 11 on the East Coast, ranging from Portland, Maine to Miami, Florida, and 10 on the Gulf Coast, from Gulfport, Miss., to Corpus Christi, Texas, according to the company’s Web site.

    http://upi.com/SecurityTerrori.....1657-4981r

    GOP “Greedy Organization of Prostitutes”…… sold their souls and actively selling our country, security and future well being.

  84. 105

    George Bakan spews:

    Please contrast with Diane Tebilius of the State Repubicans, falling all over herself to say nothing. Ah, so. Any bets – will the Republicans support the Referendum? I think they will follow their long record of massive homophobia and support the roll back attempt. Massive right wing money will flow to this campaign, a bonus for Tibelius and gang.

  85. 106

    George Bakan spews:

    Welcome to the Elecion Dogfight of the Year – This piece is from The Seattle Gay News – Friday edition.

    IN THEIR OWN WORDS:Washington State Democrats
    by Dwight Pelz, Chair, Washington State Democrats
    [Editor’s Note: In Their Own Words is a new column where individuals and community organizations will tell the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender community what they will do to defeat Tim Eyman’s anti-Gay referendum and initiative.]

    When Governor Chris Gregoire signed into law House Bill 2661, which ensures Gays and Lesbians are protected against discrimination, it marked a victory that was 29 years in the making. This was a fight that has had many champions, Rep. Ed Murray, who has sponsored the legislation for 11 years; the late Sen. Cal Anderson who sponsored it for many years before that; and the countless others in the community who have fought for fair treatment for everyone.
    The Democratic Party of Washington believes strongly in ensuring equal rights for everyone and opposes discrimination in any form. We support the anti-discrimination bill, having long called for its passage in our state platform for many years. Many of us in the Party admiringly refer to it as the Anderson/Murray act to honor the work of its two most prominent sponsors.
    I’m proud that every single Democrat in the State House of Representatives voted in support of this bill. Last month, the Democratic Party passed a resolution thanking our legislators. In this same resolution, the Party committed to opposing any referendum to overturn this historic legislation and to encourage Washington citizens to not sign any petition to help get a referendum or initiative onto the ballot.
    The Democratic Party of Washington will fight against any ballot measure which attempts to repeal the civil rights of our citizens. It’s sad to see that there are people who would attempt to take away these basic civil rights, to actually be pro-discrimination.
    Led by initiative sponsor-for-hire Tim Eyman, the cynical and close minded have filed an initiative and referendum to overturn the anti-discrimination law. Eyman is distorting the intent and meaning of the law to make a quick buck. Using fear tactics, Eyman would have voters believe the law passed by the legislature is about quotas and preferential treatment. He is purposely using false and inflammatory language to hide the fact that he is openly supporting discrimination.
    We need to be clear when talking about this law that it is about equal and fair treatment for everyone under the law.
    As Chair of the Washington State Democratic Party, I will vigorously oppose these sad attempts by Tim Eyman to drag us back into the dark days of Jim Crow-type laws. I believe the fair-minded and progressive voters of Washington will agree and share our values of equal treatment.

  86. 107

    BOB from BOEING spews:

    J U S T I N —- SUCK ON THIS MIKE SUPPORTERS

    from AP writer Dave A. in new Sunday P I —-
    DUELING POLLS. Last week’s report mentioned a Republican poll that showed Sen. Maria Cantwell, D-Wash., with just an eight point lead over her likely GOP challenger, Mike McGavick. Big trouble? Now independent pollster Stuart Elway reports Cantwell with a runaway 30-point lead – 55 percent definitely voting for her or inclined to do so, versus 25 percent inclined or definitely voting McGavick’s way. Elway interviewed 405 voters by phone Feb. 6-9; margin of error plus or minus five percentage points.

    -BUSH DRAG. Elway said his polls show Cantwell’s popularity gaining over the past five years and that the state is “darker blue” this year. Referring to President Bush’s dismal numbers here, Elway says “Cantwell will try in this campaign to make McGavick’s middle initial `W.'” Thus far, McGavick hasn’t shown voters a compelling reason to dump Cantwell, he says.

  87. 108

    BOB from BOEING spews:

    It is past time for the North American Union – and no borders at all between Mexico the US and Canada.

    Oh, how can we be so daring. Think – the Euros fought un told wars and came together for prosperity and to stop wars in the 21 st century. Harmony at last. Amazing. And here we are talking of fences between N. American countries. Shameful.

    We want more blocks to our two largest trading partners. Or at least two high on the list. How very stupid in a competitive world.

    It is manical economic suicide.

    Plus, both Canada and Mexico have oil – and democratic based govt.

    In one decade of capital flow, many of those workers would stay in Mexico.

    EU works. NMFTU should be our dream.

    Talking about Latino populations like projections of soon to arrive Mars fopk is stupid. Tens of millions are here, and were here thru the WEST — Western States are becoming brown folk. Thanks mom nature. And very handsome at that.

    RR – I never spotted you as regressive.

    There must be a guest worker program. There must be amnesty.
    Take a look Brazil, North America is debating your model of blending peoples – truly he melting pot, again.

    Racism to any degreee is an ugly concept. Anti human. Only creates misery and damage, nothing else. Ever.

    Racism has created the most horrid poisonous pages of American History, written in blood and suffering, and denied potential.

    Time for more change and another approach.

  88. 110

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    294

    “I think it’s time for RUFUS’ to get edjumacated. Let’s take up a collection and send him on a goodwill tour of Burkina Faso. Maybe he can explain to them why he thinks the rest of the world is a “shithole”. Comment by Dr. E— 2/25/06 @ 11:26 pm”

    Actually, the rest of the world — or a good part of it — IS a shithole. When I arrived in Vietnam, the first thing I noticed was the smell. The whole country smelled like an outhouse. That’s because they didn’t have any outhouses, they took a shit wherever they happened to be standing, which was usually in a rice paddy. I’m not kidding, the whole damn country reeked of human feces. Millions and millions of people taking one or more shits every day, and no place to flush it to. I swear their topsoil is nothing but a 10,000-year accumulation of human and water buffalo feces.

  89. 111

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    290

    “I thouhgt your side of the tracks are supposed to buy the deluxe seating boxes.”

    Janet’s “deluxe seating box” is an orange crate under the canvas awning of her trailer.

  90. 112

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    283

    “You know democrats believe in creationism too you know. Comment by RUFUS— 2/25/06 @ 10:20 pm”

    Only dumb ones like you who have a lot to lose by believing in evolution.

  91. 113

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    287

    “So who’s getting rich on this ‘war on drugs’? You know what, if you win the war on drugs you kill the gravy train. That’s why crooked Republicans can’t win it. Comment by Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist— 2/25/06 @ 10:46 pm”

    After Bush sends all our jobs to China, the only employment available in the Rossi counties will be cooking meth out in the woods.

  92. 114

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wow! This thread got more comments in 24 hours than Stefan’s pathetic little blog gets in six months!

  93. 115

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    275

    “Thank you very much RR. You not bad yourself. You are practically an expert at the “KC method” of rigged elections. I think the world would like to hear from you. Especially the third world.”

    Oh please! You’re killing me with flattery! I’m just a furry little rodent with a cute cottontail that looks like a marshmallow who eats grass and pops pellets out the other end. Hey — wanna eat my marshmallow? For a good time, call 1-800-RRABBIT!

    HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR

  94. 116

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Looks like Republicans just don’t care about workers or jobs. They have other priorities. In fact, Republicans like high unemployment, because when there’s more workers than jobs, they can buy labor cheap.

  95. 117

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Which is exactly why Bush wants to flood the country with millions of immigrant “guest workers.”

  96. 118

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Now let’s take a look at the job-creation records of 20th century presidents:

    Jobs Records of Presidents
    (as percentage of workforce)

    Democrat Roosevelt 5.3%
    Democrat Johnson 3.8%
    Democrat Carter 3.1%
    Democrat Truman 2.5%
    Democrat Clinton 2.4%
    Democrat Kennedy 2.3%
    Republican Nixon 2.2%
    Republican Reagan 2.1%
    Republican Coolidge 1.1%
    Republican Ford 1.1%
    Republican Eisenhower 0.9%
    Republican Bush Sr. 0.6%
    Republican Bush Jr. (0.7%)
    Republican Hoover (9.0%)

    Notice the worst Democrat did better than the best Republican!

  97. 119

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Hey kiddies — it’s time for a Roger Rabbit Reality Check!!!

    From Harding In 1921 to Bush in 2003:

    –Democrats held White House for 40 years and Republicans for 42.5 years.
    –Democrats created 75,820,000 net new jobs — Republicans 36,440,000.
    –Per Year Average-Democrats 1,825,200—Republicans 856,400.
    –Republicans had 9 presidents during the period and 6 had depression or recession.
    –DOW-grew by 52% more under Democrats.
    –GDP-grew by 43% more under Democrats.

    Comparing Clinton to Reagan:

    –JOBS-grew by 43% more under Clinton.
    –GDP—grew by 57% more under Clinton.
    –DOW-grew by 700% more under Clinton..
    –NASDAQ-grew by 18 times as much under Clinton.
    –SPENDING–grew by 28% under Clinton—80% under Reagan.
    –DEBT-grew by 43% under Clinton-187% under Reagan.
    –DEFICITS-Clinton got a large surplus–grew by 112% under Reagan.
    –NATIONAL INCOME-grew by100% more under Clinton.
    –PERSONAL INCOME-Grew by 110% more under Clinton.

    SOURCES-Bureau of Labor Statistics (www.BLS.gov)
    Economic Policy Institute (EPI.org)-Global & World Almanacs from 1980 to 2003 (annual issues)

  98. 120

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    256

    “Blame rampant inflation in the Carter adminstration on Ford”

    The inflation started under Nixon, jackass. Maybe you’re too young to remember, but some of us aren’t. Why do you think Nixon enacted price controls?

  99. 121

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Doofus @267

    “Clinton rode on the coat tales of the Reagan economy …”

    He sure did — Clinton rode into the White House on the coattails of the Reagan Depression under the slogan, “It’s the economy, stupid!”

    Ronald Reagan presided over the second worst depression of the 20th century.

  100. 122

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    249

    “K the only country that is concern about North Korea has Nukes is Japan. Russia, China, and the US would blow the country off the map if it tried to use any nuke. Comment by klake— 2/25/06 @ 8:28 pm”

    Explain why this same argument doesn’t apply to Iran?

  101. 125

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    247

    “K what makes you think that Iran does noy have nukes? Comment by klake— 2/25/06 @ 8:24 pm”

    No mushroom clouds have been seen over Israel.

  102. 126

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    ROGER RABBIT QUIZ

    What is smart, and what is dumb?

    1. Give your generals what they ask for and let them run the war. Smart [ ] Dumb [ ]
    2. Invade Iraq with 1/4th of the troops your top general says he needs. Smart [ ] Dumb [ ]
    3. Plan occupation before invading. Smart [ ] Dumb [ ]
    4. Invade first, worry about occupation later. Smart [ ] Dumb [ ]
    5. Make sure troops have body armor and armored vehicles BEFORE sending them into combat against urban guerrillas. Smart [ ] Dumb [ ]
    6. Economize on war-fighting expenses to protect tax cuts by not buying body and vehicle armor. Smart [ ] Dumb [ ]
    7. Win the “hearts and minds” of the civilian populace by making sure they have food, medical care, and safe drinking water. Smart [ ] Dumb [ ]
    8. Let the civilians know who’s boss by torturing them and stealing their government’s money. Smart [ ] Dumb [ ]
    9. Drum up support on the homefront by conducting a competent military campaign. Smart [ ] Dumb [ ]
    10. Drum up support on the homefront by calling anyone who dares to question or criticize your policy a “traitor.” Smart [ ] Dumb [ ]

    Let’s see, Bush’s score is … 0.

  103. 127

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Hey klake, I got a quiz for ya dude!

    What will happen if you invade Iraq with 1/4th of the troops you need to seal the borders and occupy the country?

    1. [ ] Mission accomplished!
    2. [ ] Your enemies will flock to Iraq, pour over the unguarded borders, enjoy unlimited access to weapons and supplies, wage an insurgency, attack at will, and defeat you.

  104. 128

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    242

    “Roger it was a good thing you didn’t stay in the military and served us all by becoming a lawyer. I don’t tell you haw to run a law office please don’t tell the military how to win wars. Comment by klake— 2/25/06 @ 8:11 pm”

    I can do it better than Rumsfeld, and I’m only an amateur.

  105. 130

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    241

    “Inflation was so bad under Carter that if you didn’t drive fast enough to the grocery store you ran low on money. Comment by RUFUS— 2/25/06 @ 8:07 pm”

    You’re forgetting Nixon … remember Nixon’s price controls? And Ford … remember Ford’s “Whip Inflation Now?” Where do you think this inflation came from, Doofus? LBJ’s and Nixon’s credit card war in Vietnam, that’s where. And what’s your boy superhero Dumbya doing? Putting a trillion-dollar war on a credit card. What do you think will happen after Dumbya leaves office? Inflation, that’s what. LBJ wasn’t innocent, but Dumbya doesn’t have the excuse that he doesn’t know any better.

  106. 131

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Reply to 225

    “What do you donks know about port secutity? Here is a quiz. In 2003 which group blocked criminal background checks for port workers in Baltimore? Comment by RUFUS— 2/25/06 @ 7:48 pm”

    I know more than you, Doofus. Here’s why the longshore union opposed the bill offered by Florida Republican Clay Shaw:

    1. Clay’s claim that there is “a high incidence of collusion between drug traffickers and port employees” is false.

    2. The bill would let employers to conduct wide ranging and intrusive background checks of its workforce without demonstrating any legitimate need for the information.

    3. Rep. Clay’s attempt to label dock workers as a major criminal threat was not based on facts and was nothing more than a crass attempt to score political points.

    4. The bill provided no safeguards to keep sensistive personal information of innocent workers from being disseminated to individuals and for purposes having no connection to port operations.

    5. Under Clay’s bill, there were no limits what information could be collected and the bill would have allowed the release years-old records that have no relation to the dock workers’ work.

    6. Under Clay’s bill, workers would have had no right to respond to or explain any information produced by the background checks. Thus, a potential existence for false or incorrect information to affect their employment.

    7. Clay’s bill failed to provide any safeguards to prevent inappropriate use of personal information.

    The issue was not protecting our ports, but unfair treatment of workers that does nothing to protect our ports. The issue is not blocking criminal background checks, but whether these background checks will be administered in a reasonable manner.

    As usual, Doofus, you have your head up your ass.

  107. 132

    Janet S spews:

    I like sports! I just can’t figure out why taxpayers should subsidize owners, so that they can pay outrageous salaries to the players.

    I guess I am missing the Enron/Halliburton connection. Enron was a case of fraud, Halliburton does business with the govt and is paid for it.

    I think Starbucks is a great company, and Schultz is quite a brilliant entrepreneur. That doesn’t mean I think he should demand money for his toys from the taxpayer. If he wants a bigger stadium, he can go build it. Will Seattle suffer with the loss of the Sonics? I suspect not.

  108. 133

    Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist spews:

    re 288: When you can say the same thing to Boeing and WalMart we’ll finally be on the same page.

  109. 134

    Dr. E spews:

    I think it’s time for RUFUS’ to get edjumacated. Let’s take up a collection and send him on a goodwill tour of Burkina Faso. Maybe he can explain to them why he thinks the rest of the world is a “shithole”.

  110. 135

    Dr. E spews:

    “That what I love about the guy. Most of the rest of the world is a shithole for a reason. It is time to start treating them that way.”

    Okay, RUFUS, what would that reason be?

  111. 137

    BOB from BOEING spews:

    Where they going to go — Portland.

    Bellevue, sure.

    Much negotiation ahead. So, Janet. Why do you dislike sports?

    I thouhgt your side of the tracks are supposed to buy the deluxe seating boxes.

    Duty to country.

  112. 138

    BOB from BOEING spews:

    285

    And to boot – the R’s changed many of the rules to make it look better. Changes in part time and seasonal to get better stats.

    Who would have guessed that they lie here too.

  113. 139

    Janet S spews:

    I have a question – does anyone here care if the Sonics pick up and move? Since there has been no comment about it all day, I have to assume the answer is “Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.”

    But it is fun to listen to billionaires whine about how they are losing money with their little toys. They need to get over it, and get their hands out of the public till.

  114. 140

    Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist spews:

    re 274: How’s that “war on drugs” going. Looks like not so good.

    So who’s getting rich on this “war on drugs”? You know what, if you win the war on drugs you kill the gravy train. That’s why crooked Republicans can’t win it.

  115. 141

    RUFUS spews:

    280
    I am still trying to fiqure out why democrats love sex offenders as teachers but I am game. What!!!

  116. 143

    RUFUS spews:

    It says here is Chapter 3 verse 5 in the book of Logan. “And on the third recount the great donks created mysterious provisional ballots. And there was exceeding joy in the donk kingdom of KC for their queen was selected leader that day.”

  117. 144

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    217

    ““Government does not tax to get the money it needs; government always finds a need for the money it gets.” Ronald Reagan (1911-2004), 40th US President

    Reagan wasn’t much of a political scientist, or economist either. If this piece of reaganbullshit was true, there would never be a deficit, because government would only spend the money it gets.

  118. 145

    Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist spews:

    Republicans take great pride in the fact that the unemployment rate is now at ( supposedly ) 4.7%. But it was at 3.2% when Bush took over.

    I fail to see a reason to celebrate!

  119. 146

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    If you were a Republican, which would you rather be, created by God or at the bottom of the hominid evolutionary ladder?

  120. 147

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    EUREKA!!!! I’VE FOUND IT!!!! I KNOW WHY REPUBLICANS LOVE CREATIONISM AND HATE EVOLUTION!!!!

  121. 150

    RUFUS spews:

    273

    Thank you very much RR. You not bad yourself. You are practically an expert at the “KC method” of rigged elections. I think the world would like to hear from you. Especially the third world.

  122. 153

    Cougar spews:

    Comforting note for all: In the most recent ‘job approval’ survey for the current US Senators the ‘bottom 10′ includes Sen Frist and 8 other RepubliCONS. The change is coming! Just over 8 more months and the entire US can hopefully breathe a sigh of relief when the Democrats take control of at least one of the branches of congress and can start holding GWB accountable for the disaster he has heaped on this nation.

    http://www.surveyusa.com/50Sta.....proval.htm

  123. 154

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    “That what I love about the guy. Most of the rest of the world is a shithole for a reason. It is time to start treating them that way.
    Comment by RUFUS— 2/25/06 @ 9:55 pm”

    My, you’re a wonderful ambassador for America. World, meet the Ugly American.

  124. 155

    RUFUS spews:

    Bushco has behaved like the neighborhood bully who beats up the kid with the biggest sandbox and steals all his toys – and then, just to be spiteful, takes a huge diarrheic shit in the sandbox before he leaves.

    Comment by Dr. E— 2/25/06 @ 8:55 pm

    That what I love about the guy. Most of the rest of the world is a shithole for a reason. It is time to start treating them that way.

  125. 157

    RUFUS spews:

    Spare me… Do anyone really want their 14 year old daughter hopping on public transit with crazy people, repeat sex offenders, drunks & bums… just to get to school & back… please!

    Then once you get them into school you have to deal with all the crazy people, repeat sex offenders, drunks & bums at the school. You know the teachers. Those teachers have one helleva union contract.

  126. 158

    Seattle Public Schools spews:

    Seattle is a kids place????

    Spare me… Do anyone really want their 14 year old daughter hopping on public transit with crazy people, repeat sex offenders, drunks & bums… just to get to school & back… please! I’d be taking my kids out of this joke of a system and moving to the burbs to commute 60 minutes a day…. Seattle is a joke of a city to raise kids in.

  127. 159

    RUFUS spews:

    264

    Look at Couver run his mouth. You haven’t won shit donk boy. I guess using “couver logic” Clinton rode on the coat tales of the Reagan economy since the boom years started with the Reagan administration. You are learning. Clinton was watching a lot of different things back in his presidency, especially interns. Hehehehehe

  128. 163

    vancouversucks spews:

    Geez Klake and Rufus. You 2 are such sissies. Mention a couple of inconvenient, commonly known facts and you run. Kinda like your hero-in-chief …. (pick one, Bush, Cheney, Rush, etc etc etc, it’s the common thread amoungst the righties in charge).

  129. 165

    vancouversucks spews:

    Klake, go read something other than Powerline or the Rush Report. Inflation began increasing under the Repugs in the mid-70s. Clinton did not give the N Korea’s the technology to build nukes, they had it and were being carefully watched until Bushco, the eternal bumblers and incompetents let then out of their contract.

    Don’t try to comment on the discussions here if you are too fuckin stoopit to know your correct HISTORY.

  130. 166

    vancouversucks spews:

    Klake, go read something other than Powerline or the Rush Report. Inflation began increasing under the Repugs in the mid-70s. Clinton did not give the N Korea’s the technology to build nukes, they had it and were being carefully watched until Bushco, the eternal bumblers and incompetents let then out of their contract.

    Don’t try to comment on the discussions here if you are too fuckin stoopit to know your correct HISTORY.

  131. 167

    RUFUS spews:

    Hmmm progress under Clinton. Well the Chineese finally got ICBM technology under Clinton. The N Korean were helped with their Nuclear reactor. With progress like this who cares about enemies.

  132. 168

    Dr. E spews:

    Bushco has behaved like the neighborhood bully who beats up the kid with the biggest sandbox and steals all his toys — and then, just to be spiteful, takes a huge diarrheic shit in the sandbox before he leaves.

  133. 169

    vancouversucks spews:

    Nice comeback Klake, I know thinking gets difficult with your tiny little microcephallic brain. Can’t argue facts so you go for the slur. You elitist motherfucker. Don’t even know your own state has a Vancouver.

  134. 170

    RUFUS spews:

    You gotta love donks like Vancouver. Blame rampant inflation in the Carter adminstration on Ford, and on the other hand blames Bush for N Korea eventhough Clinton gave them the technology.

  135. 171

    Dr. E spews:

    At least with Clinton there was an attempt at rapprochement with the DPRK. Bushco took any semblance of progress and flushed it right on down the toilet. Come to think of it, Bushco took just about all progress made during the Clinton years and flushed it right on down the toilet.

  136. 172

    vancouversucks spews:

    #251 Don’t forget N Korea got the bomb under Your Fearless Leader Bush’s watch.

    They were contained under Clinton.

  137. 173

    klake spews:

    They were contained under Clinton.

    Comment by vancouversucks— 2/25/06 @ 8:34 pm
    vancouversucks what are you smoking tonight? Yea I know that good old BC Bud.

  138. 174

    vancouversucks spews:

    #241 Gee nice to mention the high inflation caused by Ford with his WHIP INFLATION NOW buttons…

  139. 175

    klake spews:

    K the only country that is concern about North Korea has Nukes is Japan. Russia, China, and the US would blow the country off the map if it tried to use any nuke.

  140. 177

    RUFUS spews:

    Restart-

    Explain to me why Iran which MAY have a nuke is more of a cpncern than N. Korea which DOES have one?

    Comment by K— 2/25/06 @ 8:19 pm

    It is too late to prevent N Korea from getting the bomb now so we have to contain them. That is what we get with donks in control. We need to stop Iran from getting the bomb. The government cant be trusted.

  141. 178

    klake spews:

    Restart-

    Explain to me why Iran which MAY have a nuke is more of a cpncern than N. Korea which DOES have one?

    Comment by K— 2/25/06 @ 8:19 pm
    K what makes you think that Iran does noy have nukes?

  142. 179

    Dr. E spews:

    K

    Good point. Check out #218 & 219 above, if you haven’t yet. I find this quote to be particularly interesting:

    “Exports to the East
    Questions remain regarding whether Europe is the optimal market for Caspian oil and natural gas. Oil demand over the next 10 to 15 years in Europe is expected to grow by little more than 1 million bbl/d. Oil exports eastward, on the other hand, could serve Asian markets, where demand for oil is expected to grow by roughly 10 million bbl/d over the next 15 years. In particular, Chinese oil consumption is projected to rise almost 6 million bbl/d by 2020. Construction on an $850 million, 613-mile-long pipeline from Atasu, in northwestern Kazakhstan, to Alataw Pass in China’s northwestern Xinjiang region will be completed in December 2005 and marks the first steps to meet this demand. The Kazakhstan-China pipeline, when all three stages are complete, will span almost 1,860 miles from its start in Atyrau to Alashankou in China.”

  143. 180

    K spews:

    Restart-

    Explain to me why Iran which MAY have a nuke is more of a cpncern than N. Korea which DOES have one?

  144. 182

    Dr. E spews:

    DING DING DING DING!!!!
    Klake almost got full marks for question no. 1.
    Deductions:
    “Persains” are really historically known as “Persians”.
    “Arab’s” is the possessive, not plural form of “Arab”.

  145. 183

    RUFUS spews:

    Inflation was so bad under Carter that if you didn’t drive fast enough to the grocery store you ran low on money.

  146. 184

    klake spews:

    Best way to do it is insert commando teams.

    Comment by Roger Rabbit— 2/25/06 @ 6:24 pm
    Roger it was a good thing you didn’t stay in the military and served us all by becoming a lawyer. I don’t tell you haw to run a law office please don’t tell the military how to win wars.

  147. 185

    RUFUS spews:

    The terrorists klake thinks are living in my neighborhood are:
    [ ] a. Arabs.
    [ ] b. not Arabs.
    [ ] c. Bush supporters.
    [X] D. Democrats on the phone.

    Ding ding ding ding. Correct!!!

  148. 187

    Dr. E spews:

    Oh, and by the way, klake, I’m pretty sure that there are no terrorists in my neighborhood. That is, unless you could call Bush voters terrorists (by proxy).

  149. 188

    klake spews:

    Hey wingnuts – how many of you think that Iranians actually are Arabs? Just wondering…

    Comment by Dr. E— 2/25/06 @ 5:34 pm
    Dr. E you can stay on that high chair the Iranians are Persains not Arab’s.

  150. 189

    Dr. E spews:

    EXTRA CREDIT QUESTION
    The terrorists klake thinks are living in my neighborhood are:
    [ ] a. Arabs.
    [ ] b. not Arabs.
    [ ] c. Bush supporters.

  151. 190

    Donnageddon spews:

    I think what Rufus is trying to say is:

    “My NeoCon world is falling around me; The Iraq Civil War; The Horrible Economy; Selling Port Operations to Terrorist Supporting States; Vice President Shooting Old Men in the Face; Ken Lay; Scooter Libby; Duke Cunningham; DeLay; … it goes on and on…”

  152. 191

    Dr. E spews:

    Sorry klake, the dunce hat is for you. Go back and read the original posts from which your quote came. You can, however, redeem yourself by taking the simple quiz (see various posts above) which MTR has either refused to take. (Who knows, maybe he’s still researching the answers?)

    Ready? Here we go…

    Question No. 1:
    Iranians are:
    [ ] a. Arabs.
    [ ] b. not Arabs.

    Question No. 2:
    Euskadi Ta Askatasuna are:
    [ ] a. Arabs.
    [ ] b. not Arabs.

    Question No. 3:
    Jemaah Islamiyah are:
    [ ] a. Arabs.
    [ ] b. not Arabs.

  153. 193

    Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist spews:

    All youRepublican assholes want to do is sell off the country so we can pay for the tax cuts you’re giving the rich. The things you do are not nuanced, they are just the actions of stupid people who want to show the smart liberals what’s what and hurt themselves and everyone else in the process.

    Reagan was a dunce. And anyone who voted for him was an even bigger dunce.

  154. 194

    klake spews:

    “Wabbit and others here have correctly stated that “Not all Arabs are terrorists, but all terrorists are Arabs“.

    Comment by Dr. E— 2/25/06 @ 5:19 pm

    Dr. E. Return to the front of the class and sit on the high chair and put on the DUNCE hat. Not all terrorists are Arabs some live in your neighborhood.

  155. 195

    RUFUS spews:

    Every Republican along with all the rest of fair minded people would welcome a re-registration of all voters. The democrats do not. “Prima facie” evidence that donks are cheats. Donks are all talk and no action when coming to election reform. And it is obvious why.

  156. 196

    RUFUS spews:

    Worst thing that ever happen to this country:

    Most overated president every JFK.

    Lyndon Johnson and the 60’s
    Jimmy Carter

    Are by far the worst presidents of all time.

  157. 197

    Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist spews:

    Voting for George W. Bush is just as stupid as killing people over cartoons. The “Evil Ones” in case you haven’t noticed is a cartoon image of a complex reality that GWB uses to motivate dildoes like MTR to hate and kill — except for the port security business endorsed by president monkey butt.

  158. 198

    Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist spews:

    re 223: Ronald Reagan was the worst thing that ever happened to this country. I lost all respect for the WWII generation when their final gift to their children was to turn it over to a bunch Ronald Reagan and his band of traitors who sold us out.

    Reagan was ,as one journalist put it, an “amiable dunce”…

  159. 199

    Donnageddon spews:

    “What do you donks know about port secutity?”

    Enough to know better than to have a Terrorist Financing and Supporting Government run them.

  160. 200

    RUFUS spews:

    What do you donks know about port secutity? Here is a quiz. In 2003 which group blocked criminal background checks for port workers in Baltimore?

  161. 201

    RUFUS spews:

    “Government does not tax to get the money it needs; government always finds a need for the money it gets.”
    ~~ Ronald Reagan (1911-2004), 40th US President

    Amen.

  162. 202

    Donnageddon spews:

    Yeah, RUFUS, I am glad you are enjoying it.

    Never gonna find a NeoCon talking about US Security unless it is to find a way to steal an election or make money off it.

  163. 203

    BOB from BOEING spews:

    Perhaps the biggest mystery on the Planet at this moment — the real fate of all the Nukes — the many thousand of all varieties – from old days USSR arsenal.

    Are there claims from the CIA that all is well with all that stuff? Wonder what Euro experts think? Bush would lie to the moon on this one.

    Scattered about in ten nations, includes waste and armed nuke subs and in progress experiments — old and new working bomb —

    With Billions of Oil Money wanting to buy.

    Just thinking of it gets me scared and wondering about mountain caves to survive.

  164. 204

    RUFUS spews:

    Would you look at this thread. All the donks are done talking about Cheney. It fun to listen to all the leftist drivel about national security. LMFAO.

  165. 205

    Donnageddon spews:

    “Bin Laden’s terrorists found “deep-pocket contributions, government assistance”

    Yeah lets hand control for 21 US Ports the the U.A.E government owned Dubai Ports World.

    They have extensive experience in funding and supplying terrorists. And as far as ports are concerned, U.A.E ports were used as a key transfer point for illegal shipments of nuclear components to Iran, North Korea and Lybia.

    http://www.foxnews.com/project.....letter.pdf

  166. 209

    Donnageddon spews:

    Officials with the U.A.E. government, Central Bank and airports in the emirates of Sharjah and Dubai all insisted that the emirates have been vigilant foes of terrorism. “The U.A.E. has been consistent in its cooperation,” a Ministry of Information spokesman said. All of the U.A.E. officials declined to be identified by name.

    But current and former U.S. officials who urged the U.A.E. government to take action against Al Qaeda before Sept. 11 worry about the durability of the new commitment.

    By then, though, Al Qaeda and Taliban operatives had burrowed deep inside the emirates. Bin Laden’s terrorists found “deep-pocket contributions, government assistance, charities, banks, couriers and other ways of making money,” said one U.S. official. The emirates’ “assistance” took the form of “preventing information, preventing action,” said one former National Security Council official.

    At times, even the emirates’ rulers betrayed sympathy for some of Bin Laden’s aims.

    One telling comment came during a 1999 meeting in the emirates between emirate and American officials on the sensitive topic of money laundering. The session was so important to the U.S. that the request had come from President Clinton himself, in a letter to the emirates’ president, and in another from Defense Secretary William S. Cohen to his emirates counterpart.

    The Americans were intent on blocking Al Qaeda’s money in the wake of its coordinated attacks on two U.S. embassies in east Africa. But a senior sheik said it would be difficult to distinguish between Al Qaeda funds used for criminal activities such as the bombings and money meant for what he viewed as more acceptable training of Islamic rebels in Bosnia and Chechnya.

    The visitors were stunned.

    “That was a showstopper,” said a U.S. official familiar with the conversation.

    http://www.chichakli.com/la_times_report.htm

  167. 212

    Tree Frog Farmer spews:

    The wild card, of course, would be if Iran followed the same course as N. Korea, and used their first little ‘nut’ of enriched uranium to build a fastchain reactor and go for plutonium. . .assuming ANYONE would stand still for that one. . . .

  168. 213

    Cougar spews:

    Dr. E, that really breaks my heart! Isn’t she the same righteous Katherine Harris that pulled every trick in the book to squash minority voters in Florida when she was SOS? Another one of the Bush Brigade is gonna bite the bullet………… the house of cards and mirrors and lies is a tumbling down….

  169. 214

    Donnageddon spews:

    Keep crying “racism” on Patriots who do not want a Terrorist Supporting State owned company running 21 US Ports, Mark The Rake.

    Hating America seems to be your strong suit.

  170. 215

    Tree Frog Farmer spews:

    Hmmmm. My intuition is that a military intervention in i Iran would have all the success of a military intervention in Iraq. . . . .oh, never mind!
    My memory is a little hazy, but it seems to me that the Iranians will need several hundred thousand fuctioning centrifuges to produce appreciable quantities of enriched uranium. What I clearly remember is the assessment that at their current technical level they can only create about 100 functional centrifuges per month. They have only had this level of technical proficiency for a couple of years. My gradeschool math tells me that an appreciable nuclear arsenal OF ONLY IRANIAN PROVENANCE is more than a couple of years away.
    The game that is afoot here is NOT just about Iranian technical progress. The reality is they can easily, with their current level of technical proficiency, attain such an arsenal if supplied from OUTSIDE.
    What seems to be driving the military-political thinking here has more to do with, oh say, North Korea, or Pakistan, or the PRC, or even GWB’s soulmate, Putin, than any technical-scientific team in Iran.

  171. 216

    Dr. E spews:

    In other news…


    Harris Got Illegal Donations

    “A defense contractor who pleaded guilty Friday to bribing a California congressman told federal authorities he also funneled illegal campaign contributions to U.S. Rep. Katherine Harris of Longboat Key, who’s running for the U.S. Senate.”

    Et cetera…

  172. 217

    Donnageddon spews:

    “There’s no question that two of the 9/11 hijackers came from the U.A.E and money was laundered through there.” The U.A.E – Port deal “shouldn’t have happened, it never should have happened”

    Thomas Kean, former Republican governor of New Jersey and head of the 9/11 commission

    http://www.upi.com/SecurityTer.....1657-4981r

  173. 218

    Mark The Redneck spews:

    Hey moonbats – I’m working on an OO architecture project, but I’m struggling with how to apply Pubsub in a MVC pattern. Do any of you have any practical experience in this area?

  174. 219

    Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist spews:

    MTR is not going to go off message. He’ll keep repeating the racist message until he’s instucted to say somethink else. There’s Newthink and then there’s what MTR does, Somethink!

    Mtr has nipples the size of pieplates! It’s really gross and the tips are brown which is why liberals hate them.

  175. 220

    Gushing School Girl spews:

    Oooh! That Mark the Redneck is soooo smart! I’ll bet he is the smartest guy in the whole world because he is working on an OO architecture project!

    I just know he will figure out how to apply Pubsub in a MVC pattern. Nobody else in the whole widest world could do it!

  176. 221

    Yeah Right spews:

    MTR, who in the hell would like to help you? Maybe you can try Janet S, but be careful……you know your history with the fairer sex (even if Janet S is Kevin, still be careful, protect yourself) HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
    Watch out for that Rake, Mark

  177. 224

    Mark The Redneck spews:

    E – Tell me, how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? Regale us with your intelligence… LMAO…

  178. 225

    Dr. E spews:

    MTR
    Still waiting for your answers…
    They’re mulitple guess, should be easy for a guy like you…

  179. 226

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    This article from the English-language on-line edition of the German newspaper Der Speigel suggests the U.S. is preparing airstrikes against Iran in 2006, and concludes that ” … even experts in the West are skeptical of whether a military intervention against nuclear installations in Iran could succeed.”

    http://service.spiegel.de/cach.....83,00.html

  180. 227

    Drivel spews:

    Mark The Rake @ 178, what decision are you talking about? Trading your skanky ass for meth? Watch out for that RAKE! And pay your frigging losses, welsher!!!!!!!!

  181. 231

    BOB from BOEING spews:

    Vagimony – gosh, what a word.

    So, if men get to marry, then divorce, what is the synthesis?

    All my composites are very gross – need some native wit here not overy focused on pure porono like phrases.

  182. 234

    Puddybud spews:

    Goldy, is post #13 a “fair use” post? Or, is it “Hey it’s from Roger. Even it’s full a of bullshit post, he’s from the left so he gets a pass!” You love to let Roger Rabbit slide under the radar when complaining of people like klake when they post long winded articles. Be fair and implement the “fair use” policy fairly.

    Now for the content. Yeah right Roger. Where were you in the 90s? Were you complaining about it then against the donkocraps or is it only a sldge hammer issue now against Republicans? You are such a dork!

  183. 235

    Dr. E spews:

    Since MTR seems to have considerable difficulty in answering two simple questions, let’s give him the Bongload U multiple-guess questions he might be able to handle…

  184. 236

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Pay To The Order Of Mrs. Redneck * * * FIVE HUNDRED THOUSANDS and no/cents *** ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

  185. 237

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    185

    “RR, this has already happened once, right? 15 years ago.”

    Not in Iran. Israel bombed an above-ground reactor in Iraq. Learning from Saddam’s experience, Iran has dispersed and undergrounded their nuclear facilities, which makes it far harder to take out their nuclear program.

  186. 241

    Sir Patriot spews:

    MARK- you are a phony patiot – the Bush cult is a crimnal conspiracy. Just trust us. The Emirs do not have your best interests at heart. OK.

    And yes, Iran is a problem. No simple problem. Nukes all over the Globe are a problem. Either the US or Israel willl hit Irn. Don’t be so stupid. No invasion, all their research sites.

    RR, this has already happened once, right? 15 years ago.

    Iran and Iraq are pieces of the old Persian Empire. Is that your point — with a big dose of Greek, Arab, and African.

    Mother Biology does alway win this silly idea of rracial / ethnic / national purity. That is why the Iraqui are so handsome as a people – hybrids.

    Brazil is going nuke.

  187. 243

    Dr. E spews:

    “Because your brain is so addled by dope that you can’t follow simple logic. ”

    Sorry Mark, there was no simple logic to follow. In fact, you posted nothing other than an ad hominem non-response. Just FYI, the ad hominem argument in all its varieties is inherently illogical. So, (ad hominem follows) put that in your pipe and smoke it.

  188. 244

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Hey MTR did you get married in Vegas after she got you drunk in a hotel room? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

  189. 245

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Did you have to pass a credit check before she’d let you fuck her? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

  190. 247

    Mark The Redneck spews:

    E – Because your brain is so addled by dope that you can’t follow simple logic. That’s why you work at Laughingstock U and the only job you can get is leeching off those of us who pay all the fucking taxes.

  191. 249

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Hey MTR how come you got married without checking out the consequences of Washington’s community property laws? ha ha ha ha ha

  192. 252

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Hey MTR, do you have to pay vagimony for life, or did the judge let you off the hook when she turns 65 and goes on Social Security? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

  193. 254

    Dr. E spews:

    So let me ask you again:
    1. Are all terrorists* Arabs? (A “yes” or “no” will suffice.)
    2. If all terrorists are Arabs, then what the fuck kind of business would this country have in attacking Iran?

    *Note that I, like GWB, am not defining exactly what a “terrorist” is. For the sake of these questions, just consider “terrorist” to be whatever the term might mean to you.

  194. 255

    Dr. E spews:

    168
    “This illustrates why…”

    Alright Mark, I’ll dispense with the ad hominems for a moment. What illustrates whatever point you were trying to make?

  195. 256

    Mark The Redneck spews:

    Dr. E – This illustrates why the only job you can get is at a school that is the laughingstock of the state.

    Load it up, light it and inhale deeply. Hold as long as you can and exhale. Repeat 15-20 times…

  196. 259

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    148

    “The anti port people here”

    Oh, so now if we’re against a UAE company running U.S. ports, we’re quote anti port unquote people? Is this the new Bushspeak?

  197. 260

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    By the same logic, if you’re against American companies running U.S. ports, then you’re quote anti American unquote people. Am I right?

  198. 261

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Or if you’re in favor of foreign companies running U.S. ports, which is the same thing, you’re “anti-American.” But we already knew that, didn’t?

  199. 263

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    149

    “I’m also wondering how much influence the unions are having here. Clearly, there could be an impact to the unions who currently have members at the ports. Is that all this is about?”

    Yeah, I think so. I think Bush’s idea is to get rid of the longshore unions. That’s what it smells like.

    It would be consistent with Bush’s blocking the creation of a Homeland Security Department for over a year until he got the anti-union provisions he wanted included in the legislation.

  200. 264

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    So, given the history of the Homeland Security Department, you should be able to easily see why Bush doesn’t mind letting Arabs run our ports if it gets rid of the unions. Given a choice between terrorists or unions, he’d rather have terrorists.

  201. 265

    Dr. E spews:

    Iraq’s death squads: On the brink of civil war

    “Hundreds of Iraqis are being tortured to death or summarily executed every month in Baghdad alone by death squads working from the Ministry of the Interior, the United Nations’ outgoing human rights chief in Iraq has revealed.

    “John Pace, who left Baghdad two weeks ago, told The Independent on Sunday that up to three-quarters of the corpses stacked in the city’s mortuary show evidence of gunshot wounds to the head or injuries caused by drill-bits or burning cigarettes. Much of the killing, he said, was carried out by Shia Muslim groups under the control of the Ministry of the Interior.”

  202. 267

    Mark The Redneck spews:

    Rabbit – I think it’s great that you’ve become a capitalist. Really. You serve as an example to the other moonbats here that free markets are a great thing. If you’ve got money through your own sources, you won’t be lobbying the grouchoandharpoists in FUWA to steal my hard earned money to pay for your stupid choices and lack of character.

  203. 268

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    142

    “Wabbit and others here have correctly stated that ‘Not all Arabs are terrorists, but all terrorists are Arabs’.”

    MTR — can you provide a link? I don’t remember saying that. I doubt I said that. Plenty of terrorists are not Arabs. Dick Cheney, for example.

  204. 269

    Dr. E spews:

    “The anti port people here are making the assumption that all arabs are terrorists. I’m saying that’s not true… that while all terrorists are arabs, not all arabs are terrorists and therefore some of them can be trusted.”

    You’ve got to be kidding — all terrorists are Arabs? If that were the case, then what the fuck are we doing talking about bombing Iran because there are “terrorists” over there?

  205. 270

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Watching my stocks double in 6 months beats hell out of working for some asshole like MTR.

  206. 271

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Hey MTR would you please let me know when you’re gonna bomb Iran so I can buy some more oil stocks!!! ha ha ha ha ha ha

  207. 272

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    GOP VOTING RECORD ON HOMELAND SECURITY

    Nov. 14, 2001: Senate Democrats propose $15 billion for homeland security; the White House warns against “permanent spending on other projects that have nothing to do with stimulus and that will only expand the size of government.”

    Dec. 4, 2001: Senate Appropriations Committee votes 29-0 in favor of $13.1 billion for homeland security; the next day, Bush threatens to veto it.

    Dec. 6, 2001: Senate Republicans reduce homeland security funding by $4.6 billion.

    Dec. 19, 2001: Under pressure from White House, House-Senate conferees eliminate another $200 million of funding for airport security, port security, nuclear facility security, and postal security.

    June 7, 2002: Senate votes 71-22 for $8.3 billion of homeland security funding; the next day, Bush’s advisors recommend a veto.

    July 19, 2002: Under White House pressure, homeland security funding is further reduced by cutting money for food security, cyber security, nuclear security, airport security, port security, drinking water security, coordination of police and fire radios, and lab testing to detect chem-bio weapons.

    Aug. 13, 2002: Bush decides not to spend $2.5 billion appropriated for homeland security on the grounds of “fiscal responsibility.”

    Jan. 16, 2003: White House reacts to Democratic efforts to increase homeland security funding by stating, “The Administration strongly opposes amendments to add new extraneous spending.” Later that day, Senate Republicans vote against funds for smallpox vaccine.

    Jan. 23, 2003: Senate Republicans cut security funding for the FBI, FEMA, INS, TSA, Coast Guard, and National Nuclear Security Administration.

    Feb. 3, 2003: Bush submits a 2004 budget cutting homeland security funding by nearly 2 percent.

    Feb. 14, 2003: Senate Democrats request money for smallpox vaccine, police and fire radios, and public transportation security; no Republicans support it.

    March 21-25, 2003: Republicans defeat 7 amendments to bolster homeland security.

    April 2, 2003: Senate Republicans reject Democratic amendment to provide $1 billion for port security.

    April 3, 2003: Republicans reject protection of commercial airliners from shoulder-fired missiles and four other pro-homeland security amendments.

    June 2003: House Republicans reject Democratic proposal to raise $1 billion for homeland security by reducing tax cuts for 200,000 millionaires by an average of $5,000 each (from $88,000 to $83,000).

    Source: James Carville, “Had Enough?” (New York: Simon & Schuster, 2003), pp. 41-43.

    “Although Bush took credit for creating the new Department of Homeland Security, he vigorously opposed the idea when Democrats first proposed it. He insisted that a presidential adviser with no accountability to the American people would be more effective than a new Cabinet member. White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer said President Bush thought that a Department of Homeland Security was ‘just not necessary.’ Tom Ridge — then homeland security adviser — said that he would recommend that Bush veto legislation to create a Cabinet-level Department of Homeland Security.”

    Source: Democratic National Committee Newsletter, Jan. 29, 2003: http://www.democrats.org/news/200301290004.html

    “While the Department of Homeland Security has issued new warnings of terrorist hijackings on commercial airlines this summer, Republicans on the House Appropriations Committee voted just last week against a Democratic amendment to add $50 million in funding to prevent the Transportation Security Administration from cutting the number of air marshals. The vote came during the Committee’s mark-up of the 2003 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations bill, which funds the TSA’s air marshal program.”

    Source: Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee press release, July 31, 2003: http://216.25.5.15/press/newsr.....07-31.html

    “Senate Republicans once again blocked a vote on homeland security legislation solely because it preserved collective beginning rights and civil service protections for the 170,000 federal workers who would make up the new department.Sixty votes are needed to end debate and bring the measure to a floor vote, the move failed by a 52-45 count, with almost solid GOP opposition. President Bush has threatened to veto any measure that does not give him unlimited power over the workers and Senate Republicans also rejected a bipartisan bill that gave Bush most of what he sought.”

    Source: International Association of Machinists, Oct. 8, 2002: http://www.iamaw.org/publicati.....8_2002.htm

  208. 273

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    129

    “should Murka stop accepting shipments from foreign ports that are managed by that foreign country?”

    naaaaa … there’s nuthin’ to worry about. According to Bush, inspecting 1/2 of 1% of the cargo containers entering the U.S. is sufficient — no nuclear bombs in there.

  209. 274

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    125

    Janet, you are soooooo dense. If we’re gonna charge college students the full cost of attending college, why not charge children (or their parents) the cost of attending K-12 schools? Yeah, I’ll bet you’re in favor of that! The reason we publicly subsidize education, dummy, is because

    a) A democracy needs an informed electorate, and
    b) Educating our citizens at government expenses raises the productivity, competitiveness, and innovation of our economy.

  210. 275

    Mark The Redneck spews:

    I’m also wondering how much influence the unions are having here. Clearly, there could be an impact to the unions who currently have members at the ports. Is that all this is about? Since the unions have bought and paid for the Dems, is that what’s behind this? Surely it is a factor… probably a major factor in the way this is being presented.

  211. 276

    Mark The Redneck spews:

    E – Are you really that fucking stupid? Put down the bong. It has mathematical clarity.

    The anti port people here are making the assumption that all arabs are terrorists. I’m saying that’s not true… that while all terrorists are arabs, not all arabs are terrorists and therefore some of them can be trusted.

  212. 277

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    125

    “This is a simple economics problem – if the govt subsidizes, the price of the good rises to accommodate the subsidy. Professors are paid quite well in some institutions, particularly if they do a lot of writing and consulting on the side. Others struggle. But, if you can’t make a living at it, don’t do it. Go find a job outside of academia, or stop griping.”

    Janet — so you agree, then, that if a lawyer makes $1 million a year by suing doctors this is a worthwhile pursuit?

  213. 278

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    125

    “One of the problems at universities these days is the way it is all funded. Students who get degrees benefit the most”

    Janet, once again, you have displayed your ignorance. Most basic research is done by universities, and most products sold by private industry derive from this publicly funded research.

  214. 279

    Dr. E spews:

    Hey Mark, how do you reconcile these two statements, which you made back to back in the same post?

    “I just want to clearly establish here that you moonbats judge people 100% by the color of their skin. If they are brown, they are be definition dangerous according to you.”

    “Wabbit and others here have correctly stated that “Not all Arabs are terrorists, but all terrorists are Arabs“.

  215. 280

    Dr. E spews:

    Funny, isn’t it? Bushco had a fugitive with end-stage kidney disease in their sights, and couldn’t get him. How hard would it be to find dialysis clinics in that part of the world, anyway?

  216. 281

    Dr. E spews:

    “So it won’t be too much longer before we have to go bomb the fuck out of Iran. Since brown people who really are a threat live there, I assume all you moonbats will be cheering.”

    Which “brown” people would those be, Mark? I would imagine that, with a comment like that, you must know of some direct and credible threat from a nation some 7000 miles away. Do they want to kill us, blow us up, kabooom? And on whose authority do we know that?

    I’m just wondering, ‘cuz last I checked Osama was still officially alive (according to Bushco) and at large.

  217. 282

    Mark The Redneck spews:

    Patriot – That’s OK. I just want to clearly establish here that you moonbats judge people 100% by the color of their skin. If they are brown, they are be definition dangerous according to you.

    Wabbit and others here have correctly stated that “Not all Arabs are terrorists, but all terrorists are Arabs”. UAE is the most forward looking country over there and have been one of our few allies in the region as we start WW 3. They chose to be on the right side… the side that will win.

    I’m a helluva lot more worried about foreigners loading ships than I am in who calls the truck drivers and arranges for trains to show up. I’m a helluva lot more worried about Iran’s nukes than I am in who decides which ship docks next.

    You moonbats gotta dig into the details a bit and understand how ports work. I’m no expert, but I have listened to both sides of the argument. It’s not a brown/white thing as you guys make it out to be. Shit, at least educate yourselves instead of just reacting with knee jerk hate and racism.

  218. 283

    Sir Patriot spews:

    Israel will bomb Iran.

    Bet on it.

    You may support Israel or like the pervasive Arab rhetoric about destroying it, but they have been 100 per cent honest with the world.

    If thretened with desrtuction, they will strike first, and defend themselves with all means possible. We all know they have a large nuke arsenal and every type of modern weapons.

    They may have secret long range missiles or would use planes that would not return.

    They will not willingly go into oblivion without the fiercest of fights.

    I am very pro Israel. The blood of the Holocaust persuaded me many years ago.

    Iran is a big threat.

    At the collapse of
    Bushie Iraq, Iran will openly intervene with militia and maybe outright with troops.

    And as predicted here on this blog by several folks, the civil war seems near.

    The Kurds are armed to the teeth, their time to breakaway.

    No second generation American ever understood the Irish war between Catholic and Protestant.

    Sunni vs. Shite is beyond our comprehension, unless some of us did not grow up in a secular state.

  219. 284

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    If Mr. Cynical had bought NOV at $58 like I told him to, he could have sold three months later at $75, an annualized return of almost 120%.

  220. 285

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    I bought NOV at $44 and I’m waiting for it to hit $400 when you guys bomb Iran, which will take several million bpd off the world oil market. Can you say $200 a bbl oil? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

    Go ahead, Vagina Lips, bomb Iran!!! You’ll make Roger Rabbit very happy.

  221. 286

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    126

    “So it won’t be too much longer before we have to go bomb the fuck out of Iran. Comment by Mark The Redneck— 2/25/06 @ 4:00 pm”

    Vagina Lips — I hang on to my NOV stock precisely because every time wingnuts like you talk about bombing the fuck out of Iran, it goes up $10 a share! — and because I think you guys are stupid enough to do it! If that happens, I’m gonna make 1000% on my oil stocks. $7.50 a gallon for gas won’t be a problem for me, because with two powerful hind feet to get around with, I don’t have to drive.

  222. 287

    Sir Patriot spews:

    I think the nukes are alreay loaded somewhere in one of the Midle East Ports – waiting shippment for when the Emirs have enough control for their people to let them in.

    Then they are here – for use in the politics of the fanatics or blackmail.

    Mark the Dog Breath, you are foolish. America is First, and no one in their right mind wants to send control of any major infrastructure to Arab Kings. Send you kid there for schooling. Or you daughters to the whore houses of the Emirs. They like blonds, unspoiled.

    Interesting how hard it is for you to think. and separate issues.

    Remember, we finallyu stop selling scrap to the Japanese prior to Pearl harbor.

    Fu

  223. 288

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    MTR — if you asked me about white guys from Russia running U.S. ports, I’d say there might be a national security implication to that. So, you see, it’s not about skin color after all. I’m just asking a simple question: Why shouldn’t American ports be run by Americans? Not too complicated.

  224. 289

    Jerry Springer Jr. spews:

    MTR @ 132: “Answer the question you immoral hypocrite ignorant racist asshole.”

    Why bother? You aren’t listening anyway.

  225. 290

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    124

    MTR — it’s great to see you’ve become a champion of diversity and non-discrimination. I’m not against ARAB companies running U.S. ports, I’m against FOREIGN companies running U.S. ports. That would include white guys from Britain or Canada. I have a problem with giving away American jobs to other countries, get it? Glad to see you’ve adopted the AFL-CIO position. Now you can tell your friends that you’re a fellow traveler of Roger Rabbit and organized labor.

  226. 291

    Mark The Redneck spews:

    Answer the question you immoral hypocrite ignorant racist asshole.

    answer the fucking question…

  227. 292

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    120

    Well stated, VS. Wingnuts like Janet don’t know the difference between opinion and fact, and try to replace the latter with the former.

  228. 294

    Mark The Redneck spews:

    Rujax – Are you a racist too? Are you a fucking hypocrite? Like wabbit and dondon, do you think all brown people are a threat to us?

  229. 295

    Mark The Redneck spews:

    You moonbats against UAE operating ports… did you ever stop to think that those horrible brown people who are (according to you) all terrorists… are the ones who load nearly ALL the ships that come here? So the question is…. should Murka stop accepting shipments from foreign ports that are managed by that foreign country? Should we “invade” every port in the world and put our own kind in there?

    Inquiring minds like mine want to know…

    Fucking hypocrites. Stoopid fucking assholes. Ignorant fucks…

  230. 296

    Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist spews:

    Janet S. #125: Read what your cohort wrote at #126. Then You lecture me about nipples the size of pie plates and a clitoris the size of a ripe, juicy mango!!

    I’m tired of trying to get through to you about higher education.

  231. 297

    spews:

    MtR-

    I’d rather somebody “bombs the fuck” out of your fevered, pint-sized cranial cavity that used to house a working brain (presumably).

  232. 298

    Mark The Redneck spews:

    So it won’t be too much longer before we have to go bomb the fuck out of Iran. Since brown people who really are a threat live there, I assume all you moonbats will be cheering.

  233. 299

    Janet S spews:

    Rev – why would I want to talk to someone who is hung up on “dirty talk”? I suspect the mark of a small mind.

    Okay, I take back the comment about those persuing academia or journalism to be less family oriented than those who go into business. But I maintain the “saving the world” mind set. There is nothing wrong with it, someone has to do it. But don’t expect to get rich doing so.

    One of the problems at universities these days is the way it is all funded. Students who get degrees benefit the most, and yet we seem to find new and different ways to keep them from paying for it. State schools charge only a fraction of what it costs, and private schools give scholarships and aid pretty easily to good students. But somehow, it never seems to result in lower college costs. The cost of college, if you consider the full cost and not the subsidized cost, has risen faster than even health care.

    This is a simple economics problem – if the govt subsidizes, the price of the good rises to accommodate the subsidy. Professors are paid quite well in some institutions, particularly if they do a lot of writing and consulting on the side. Others struggle. But, if you can’t make a living at it, don’t do it. Go find a job outside of academia, or stop griping.

    Research will happen even if the university system doesn’t fund it. Private business should be paying for it since they will reap the benefits. Pharmaceuticals and biotechs are doing lots of research, some of it independent, some in conjunction with academia. As long as both benefit, I’m fine with it. I am not a fan of the govt paying for lots of research that then is cashed in on by some company jumping in.

  234. 300

    Mark The Redneck spews:

    Seadog, Roger, Donna and other hateful moonbats – I’m glad to see you show your true colors… that all brown people represent a threat to us and must not be allowed to soil our nation with their presence. You talk of tolerance and diversity, but you sure don’t walk the talk. Typical fucking hypocrite democrats…

  235. 301

    seadog spews:

    I never thought the day would come, but I have to agree with Roger that the deal to allow the UAE company to control some parts of the harbor operations is a bad thing for the US. I think this thing has been completely botched by this whitehouse and we should not have any foreign companies control a vital part of our economy.
    The history and the connection of the UAE (as many so eloquently state) is enough to warrant suspicion of this deal.

    And while we are up there, I hope congress in their unity will now not worry about pulling out Arab males (of females as we have seen female suicide bombers already) traveling light in airport controls, making sure they are scrutinized correctly based on their possible connection etc.
    A few weeks back I was traveling with my 80 year old mother when she was pulled out and almost strip searched at the airport control, while two Arab males just went through unhindered and unchecked. Weird

    I’m glad Roger and Donna et al are now seeing the light there as well.
    Thanks

  236. 302

    Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist spews:

    B from B: Would a clitoris the size of a mango make you rethink your position on gay sex? I’ve never seen one in real life, but I saw some photos in Penthouse. Janet S. could do worse than have a clitoris the size of a mango. Your negative assessment of a mango-sized love button might hurt the feelings of a chick who has one. Doesn’t she deserve at least as much care and respect as you give to that hatemonger, Janet S. Her boyfriend has nipples the size of pie-plates.

  237. 304

    vancouversucks spews:

    In reading Janet’s comments I can’t help but think it is the same specious argument the righties use on the media. It is the F-Channel of academia. Forget the fact that most academics have come to their informed position due to the FACTS, the righties use the same formula. Informed, academic rigor based on facts = Left wing bias.

    Why does that not suprise me given we have been subjected to the rule of a bunch of criminals who think all you have to do to achieve the world they want … is WANT IT. This is the Latter Rain movement of government (name it, claim it).

    Janet, serious misinformed delusions don’t make an academic position. The purpose of college is to discipline the mind so it knows fact from fiction. Could that be why there are more of us than you? Could that be why those that question the positions of their teachers are called “students” instead of “professors”?

  238. 305

    Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist spews:

    Janet S.: I am not hearing from you on this Ward Churchill thing. You have, in the past, expressed strong feelings on what you think should happen to Ward Churchill and how he should lose his position at university in Colorado. But did you ever give the man you wanted to hang out to dry the courtesy of reading even ONE thing that he wrote that wasn’t some out of context passage from a right wing magazine.

    Rev. T—- 1

    Janet S.—0

    I’m winning. That’s why you are under represented at universities — because you are dishonest and have no intellectual curiousity.

    Here’s a quote from Ronald Reagan when he was asked to explain why he was against student loans: “Why should the private sector have to subsidize intellectual curiousity?”

  239. 306

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    The right wing complaint, as I understand it, is that the State Department and Bush administration should assert U.S. claims to these islands and rocks, instead of concluding there is no legal basis for such claims.

  240. 307

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    The right wing web site “State Department Watch” (which styles itself as a “non-partisan” watchdog group) also demanded criminal prosecution of government officials who “gave away” these islands and rocks to Russia.

  241. 308

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Janet @88

    “When you can have a discussion without gratutious insults, I’ll respond.”

    That’s like us saying, “When you can discuss Iraq without calling us ‘unpatriotic’ or ‘un-American’ or ‘commies,’ we’ll respond.” Sorry, it doesn’t work that way. Bush lied about WMDs in Iraq. He fixed the intelligence around the policy. Even if removing Saddam was a good idea anyway, Bush’s policy of allowing the CIA and military to torture Iraqis blew any chance of gaining popular Iraqi support for the U.S. invasion, and probably ensured a U.S. defeat in Iraq. The fact the Republican idiots responsible for this mess call us names doesn’t mean we shouldn’t talk about what their stupidity and corruption is costing our country and American taxpayers.

  242. 309

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    91

    Yeah Bob, I’m all too familiar with that vision. If I ran a company and someone with a degree from Bob Jones University applied for a management job, I wouldn’t consider that a qualification for the position. I’d rather see a degree from Harvard, Wharton, Stanford, or the University of Washington Business School, or — for that matter — from Highline Community College.

  243. 310

    Dr. E spews:

    111
    “Increasingly large class sizes, and faculty evaluation criteria that emphasize publishing over teaching.”

    And to add to that: faculty overloads. There is a critical shortage of faculty in many areas, with faculty numbers not increasing to meet the corresponding increase in student populations. Try balancing a 12-credit teaching load (which for myself and many of my colleagues ends up verging on 16-credits) with research/creative endeavors and service to the institution. FYI, many universities calculate credit loads in somewhat curious ways, where one “contact hour” with a student does not necessarily translate into one credit. Something has got to give somewhere.

    Facutly- and cash-strapped academic units tend to try to cope the best they can, which is often through the hiring of adjunct and/or part-time faculty, who often get saddled with unfair (and unrealistic) burdens, taking the courses with the highest enrollments, etc. Add to that the fact that many adjunct faculty are fresh out of graduate school and have little, if any teaching experience, and are supposed to get it when thrown into such environments, while simultaneously trying to bolster their resumes through research, publication, presentation at conferences, etc. — just to try to bolster their CV’s to help get themselves hired permanently somewhere. Again, something has got to give, and what do you think that would be?

  244. 311

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Reply to 87

    This involves the location of the boundary between Russia and the U.S. in the Bering sea. The U.S.-U.S.S.R. Maritime Boundary Agreement
    of 1991 left to further negotiation the question of sovereignty over several small islands and rocks. This proposed treaty apparently was rejected by Russia, and it appears the U.S. observes it under an Executive Order.

    An official State Department Fact Sheet published in 2003 stated:

    “No negotiations regarding the U.S.-Russia maritime boundary have occurred since 1990, when the U.S.-USSR Maritime Boundary Agreement was signed. The negotiations that led to that agreement did not address the status of Wrangel Island, Herald Island, Bennett Island, Jeannette Island, or Henrietta Island, all of which lie off Russia’s Arctic coast, or Mednyy (Copper) Island or rocks off the coast of Mednyy Island in the Bering Sea. None of the islands or rocks above were included in the U.S. purchase of Alaska from Russia in 1867, and they have never been claimed by the United States, although Americans were involved in the discovery and exploration of some of them.”

    When this fact sheet was published, various right wing web sites went ballistic, telling their readers (among other things) that the “cession” of these islands to Russia not only jeopardized U.S. national security but also gave away vast oil reserves rivaling those of the Middle East, which were not being exploited solely due to environmental restrictions. See, e.g., http://www.statedepartmentwatch.org/FactSheet.htm, http://www.newsmax.com/archive.....5309.shtml, and http://www.newsmax.com/archive.....3807.shtml.
    For an Atlantic Monthly article about the issue, see http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/prem/200102/rubin (subscriber access only).

    I don’t know of any new developments since 2003 involving this issue.

  245. 312

    Dr. E spews:

    Once again, Janet, your post displays some basic ignorance of life in the academy. To wit:

    “It must be an hard existence, given the shortage of candidates for positions – oh, that’s right – there is no shortage. Tenure buys you life security.”

    First of all, there is a shortage of candidates in some areas, and I have seen more than one search canceled for lack of qualified and/or capable individuals. This is particularly problematic for the more cash-strapped universities who cannot offer competitive salaries. Washington state, by the way, fares quite poorly.

    “I really am tired of the line that unless you work in an environment, you have no ability to comment on it. It isn’t true, and is intellectually lazy.”

    There’s nothing intellectually lazy about my factual comment. Unless you have worked within the intricacies of the system, which can be highly bureaucratic, you really don’t have much reference to comment on it in a truly substantive way. There is something, however, that is quite intellectually lazy about your comment above, which is that you don’t back up your accusation (i.e. of intellectual laziness) one iota.

    Incidentally, university internal (faculty) environments can often be bitterly political; I would imagine that such political infighting had a lot to do with Summers resignation, but saying anything more than that (not having worked at Harvard during the time concerned) would be little more than speculation.

    “I’m sure professors earn what they are paid, because they would go get other jobs if they weren’t. There is a large market for English professors who deconstruct poetry. Don’t get me wrong – if you can get someone to pay for you to do lots of silly irrelevant research, great! If they require that you actually teach a class and talk to a student now and then, well, that is just the price you have to pay.”

    This is precisely the anti-intellectual stance right-wingers exhibit that truly imperils the future of this country. If you can’t understand the importance of, say, critical theory to the intellectual life of the nation, then you’re not really in much of a position to comment on such intellectual life.

  246. 313

    Green Thumb spews:

    Janet S:

    Regarding those survey results, I challenge you to cite a specific study that was published in a reputable, peer-reviewed journal.

    In the meantime, I invite you to untangle your anti-intellectualism from your partisanship. You seem to be equating Democrats = biased teaching = irrelevant research priorities. If I am correctly interpreting you, that strikes me as vastly overreaching.

    I’ve worked in journalism and higher ed., and am hardly a knee-jerk defender of either. However, I get tired of ill-informed, broad-brush “bashing” exercises because it isn’t helpful if the goal is meaningful institutional reform. For example, you complain about faculty who don’t talk to students. In my experience, there are two reasons for this phenomenon: Increasingly large class sizes, and faculty evaluation criteria that emphasize publishing over teaching.

    I get the impression that you work in political “p.r.” Yes, that’s a tough field, but you know what? I strongly suspect that the professors I know who are dedicated to meeting student needs work longer hours and get paid considerably less than you do.

  247. 314

    Proud To Be An Ass spews:

    “There is no diversity of opinion on campus these days.”

    Oh, beat me with that wet noodle some more, Janet S! Myself, I am so tired of meetings & conversations in the private sphere where idiots casually bring up bigoted right wing nuttery of the worst most ignorant kind with a casual unflappability that leads me to believe their ignorance and predjudice is expected to be shared by their “audience” as a matter of course.

    By the way, tell me some more about democracy and diversity of opinion in the boardroom again, won’t you?

  248. 315

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    84

    “if you can get someone to pay for you to do lots of silly irrelevant research, great!”

    Exactly what we expect from a Trailer Park Intellectual like you, Janet/Kevin.

  249. 316

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Let’s see, how many failed experiments did Edison conduct before he came up with a light bulb that worked? As I recall, it was over 2,000. Now there’s an example of a guy who did “lots of silly irrelevant research.”

  250. 317

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    85

    “HOW ABOUT A FEDERAL JUDGE TAKING OVER THEIR ADMINISTRATION”

    Yeah Bob, I understand your argument, but why stop with Saipan? Why not put the whole federal government under court-supervised receivership — including the Supreme Court?

  251. 318

    Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist spews:

    What do you think of Ward Churchill’s writings , Janet S.? Things he actually wrote that you read all by yourself eithout some righty commentator telling you what to think.

    I think that I would not be conversing with you, but instead with the person’s views that you are parrotting.

  252. 319

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Comment on 82

    Good Reverend — I know you mean well, but you misunderstand the nature of both law professors and law students. There is a good deal more do-gooder sentiment in law schools than you realize. To quote an old law school cliche: “A students become professors, B students become judges, and C students make money.”

  253. 320

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Comment on 81

    I think what Janet means is that some professors have the audacity to tell students the earth is spherical, not flat.

  254. 321

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Comment on 80

    It’s always fascinating to see or hear the rightwing attack dogs talk about “freedom” and “free society” while they work so hard to suppress free speech, dissent, and views contrary to theirs.

  255. 322

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    As for the “blame America first” charge, what’s wrong with a little introspection, self-reflection, and self-criticism? I’ll tell you what’s wrong with it — if they let people think about our right wing government’s endless fuck ups, they might do something about it — like vote our right wing government out of office.

  256. 323

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    78

    “ought there not to be a smattering of closed-minded, asshole professors who will brook no intellectual dissent from their students?”

    On some topics, there SHOULD be closed-mindedness. For example, I don’t think academe should tolerate advocates of racial separation, Nazism, or witch-burning.

  257. 324

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    79

    “If you are a strong individualist looking to make a good home and family, you will tend to look where the most opportunity is, and probably find business. If you are out to save the world and right all the wrong in society, you might more likely look toward academia or journalism. A generalization, I know.”

    Your implication that people in business care more about their families is total pap! Your claim that “strong individualists” are more likely to be businessmen than academics or journalists puts on display your utter ignorance. There is no occupation in which social and intellectual conformity is more completely demanded or rigidly enforced than business, except the military. Janet, you are an idiot!

  258. 325

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    People go into business because they want money or because that’s what their interests and aptitudes lay, not because they have more family values than people in other occupations. In fact, to the contrary, small business owners and corporate ladder climbers often spend so much time working they neglect their families and end up divorced.

  259. 326

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    75

    “You are a totally transparent hypocrite, Janet S., and your clitoris is the size of a mango.”

    Hmmmm … well, she’s been spreading her legs for her elephant lover for a long time …

  260. 327

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    77

    “Students want to record their lectures, which is a common practice.”

    Hey Janet aka Paragon of Free Debate, try taking a tape recorder into a Bush “town hall” and see what happens.

  261. 328

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    “I’m betting there has been a lot of intellectual bullying going on in classes, and the students WHO PAY FOR IT ALL are tired of it.”

    Hey Janet, we don’t accept bets with wingnuts anymore, because we’ve learned that wingnuts who lose bets don’t pay up.

  262. 329

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    74

    Here we have Janet S (aka Kevin Carnes) weighing in with her flighty opinion. Geez and here I thought Janet S was dead or something, because I hadn’t seen her/his/its posts for a while. Oh well. To put a happy face on it, if that’s possible, I guess we need at least one apologist for McCarthyism on this board — just to keep things lively.

  263. 330

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    69

    “we might as well write that into the policy manuals of all US universities, do away with all hiring of non-US citizens, and remove all curricular content that might prove controversial and/or challenge previously accepted views of historical matter.”

    Actually, this is partly what they’re after, except for the least phrase, which should be reworded to read: “all curricular content that might challenge the beliefs of right wingers.”

  264. 331

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    63

    Good job, Mrs. Rabbit!!! You’re my kind of rabbit!!! I’d like to meet you!!! (wink wink)

    This is just the opening shot in the right wing’s long-planned “intellectual cleansing” campaign against America’s universities and colleges. Their ultimate goal is to remove professors they deem “too liberal” from campuses everywhere, and turn academic institutions into instruments of propaganda for the right wing agenda, just as they have done to the so-called “liberal media” (raucous bunny laughter in background).

  265. 332

    BOB from BOEING spews:

    WHAT IS THIS —

    Heard somewhere that the Bush people have sold several of the Aleutian Islands to Russia. possible settlement of old claims.

    And, so mentioned, the Russians are drilling for gas and oil. Another Bush pay back from the Russian Mafia?

    More info RR?? – you are an ace at fishing this stuff from the vapors and cyber particles.

  266. 334

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    64

    “We are the only country in history that has beaten its plowshares into swords.”

    Not really. The neoCONS are following a well worn path in the footsteps of such historical luminaries as Genghis Khan, Caligula, the Crusaders, Napoleon, Kaiser Willie, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, and others.

  267. 335

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    The capacity of the human species to produce mutant viral variants of our kind seems endless. Right wingers are merely the latest human germ to infect civilization.

  268. 336

    BOB from BOEING spews:

    86 RR

    In the Giant World Scheme of Things –Think of the value of a degreee from Bob Jones University or Liberty Bell University —yes, RR. those are the models for advanced education, where the home and charter schoolers go.

    And of course the Christian college age virgins, both sexes, get engaged — no sexual contact, abstinance, and enter the modern world prepared for the rosy future working at W Mart with grandma.

  269. 337

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    65

    “Ok wingnuts are you going to call for Buckley to be tried and hanged for sedition just like you did for Howard Dean?”

    Of course they will! Any criticism of wingnutism is treason. And if the criticism comes from one of their own kind, the critic gets double points. I guess that means Ann Coulter gets to execute Buckley twice.

  270. 338

    BOB from BOEING spews:

    Tappman – you are over the top in some of your remarks. Just go beat off with your plastic doll and quit insulting the women. Sexist pig – give a shit if you are right or left. And your fantasies will work at other sites.

    Tiresome and dull, and boring.

  271. 339

    BOB from BOEING spews:

    49

    HOW ABOUT A FEDERAL JUDGE TAKING OVER THEIR ADMINISTRATION BECAUSE OF THE FAILURE OF DC — THIS IS NOT HUMANE – IF FEDERAL JUDGES CAN TAKE OVER POLICE DEPTS. AND SCHOOL – THIS SEEMS A WORTHY PROJECT.

    BIGGEST PART OF THIS PROBLEM IS —- WHO GIVES A SHIT — AND NO REPORTING BY MEDIA —

  272. 340

    Janet S spews:

    Dr E – how do you explain the disconnect that has happened at Harvard, where the students and alums like the president, but a small group of influential professors got rid of Summers? Again, I’m sure that all you say is true and that the life of a professor is right up there with mine workers who break rocks all day long. It must be an hard existence, given the shortage of candidates for positions – oh, that’s right – there is no shortage. Tenure buys you life security.

    I really am tired of the line that unless you work in an environment, you have no ability to comment on it. It isn’t true, and is intellectually lazy. I’m sure professors earn what they are paid, because they would go get other jobs if they weren’t. There is a large market for English professors who deconstruct poetry. Don’t get me wrong – if you can get someone to pay for you to do lots of silly irrelevant research, great! If they require that you actually teach a class and talk to a student now and then, well, that is just the price you have to pay.

  273. 341

    Dr. E spews:

    Here’s something that a college professor probably won’t tolerate: a close-minded student who prefers the rabid spewing out of prefabricated talking points in place of a reasoned debate. I’ve seen these students at work — on both sides of the political spectrum — and they are very often impervious to both facts and differing points of view, insofar as they both might challenge their comfortable world view.

  274. 342

    Dr. E spews:

    “Surveys have shown that the percentage of professors who vote dem is about 80-90%.”

    Do you mean “who are registered as Democrats”? Even so, political affiliation is not a reliable indicator of lecture content. I know that might be hard for some right-wingers to swallow — that a “liberal” college professor might actually not only lecture on points of view diametrically opposed to his or her own, but even encourage such discourse in the classroom — but it is true.

  275. 343

    Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist spews:

    Janet S.: What surveys? Do the surveys isolate schools and give a breakdown on them. I’ll bet Progressives are underrepresented in the schools of Business and Law and overrepresented in , say, Sociology.

    It doesn’t mean there is discrimination, it is more like self-selection. If you are a confident, happy person who loves his own family and everyone elses’, you will probably want to enter one of the “helping” professions — like Sociology. If you are only looking out for yourself and your immediate family and think the rest of the world can take a flying leap, you will probably self-select into law or business. A generalization, I know.

  276. 344

    Dr. E spews:

    By the way, the right wing has a convenient label for academics who do, as I said above, contradict commonly accepted cultural narratives. They’re called the “BLAME AMERICA FIRST” crowd. It took ACTA all of three pages to make that point:

    “Rarely did professors publicly mention heroism, rarely did they discuss the difference between good and evil, the nature of Western political order or the virtue of a free society. Indeed, the message of many in academe was clear: BLAME AMERICA FIRST.”
    (“Defending Civilization”, p. 3.)

    This is “supported” by various and sundry out-of-context quotes, as one might expect.

  277. 345

    Janet S spews:

    Mr Tappman – I always respect an argument that ends with sex-ual insults. It shows that you are a very deep and considerate thinker.

    Surveys have shown that the percentage of professors who vote dem is about 80-90%. Same goes for journalists in the MSM. It doesn’t mean that there is discrimination, it is more like self-selection. It is also a mindset. If you are a strong individualist looking to make a good home and family, you will tend to look where the most opportunity is, and probably find business. If you are out to save the world and right all the wrong in society, you might more likely look toward academia or journalism. A generalization, I know.

  278. 346

    Dr. E spews:

    But heck, it’s a “free country,” right? People are free to believe what they want.

    In the interest of “diversity”, though, ought there not to be a smattering of closed-minded, asshole professors who will brook no intellectual dissent from their students?

  279. 347

    Dr. E spews:

    “Professors are a protected insular class of demogogues who have decided that they are just smarter than everyone else, and should be able to run the world.”

    Janet — with all due respect, you are full of shit.

    First of all, have you ever been a university professor, let alone worked at a university. Or perhaps you have, in some other way through direct experience, learned of the intellectual life and discourse amongst professors on university campuses? If not, then on what grounds are you basing your assertions?

    Secondly, do you know the actual definition of “demagogue”? Your post suggests you do not, and I encourage you to look it up, to ensure that you are using the term correctly.

    Now, to address a couple of your points:
    “Students want to record their lectures, which is a common practice. Are the professors afraid that what they are saying might make it out of the classroom?”

    Students do not have the unlimited right to record lectures. They may do so with the professor’s permission, of course, but there are professors I know of who do not allow recording devices in their classrooms for a variety of reasons, personal and professional, but heretofore I have not heard of anyone prohibiting such devices out of a fear by being “blacklisted” by a hysterical right-wing organization. (Given the current political climate in this country, this might very well change.) Even with such stated opposition to recording devices, such professors must comply with university policies that allow for such devices being present when necessary, i.e. in the case of students with disabilities. (It’s a bit unfair to ask a quadriplegic to take notes, for instance, and even more unfair to ban such students from classes because they have no alternative to note-taking by hand.)

    “Yes, something might be taken out of context. That is what open discussions are for.”

    What exactly are these “open discussions” of which you speak? Certainly the “reports” issued by blatantly partisan operations like ACTA aren’t exactly “open discussions” of the merits of “academic freedom”. (That last term smacks of a cynical sort of doublespeak: you’re free to say whatever you want, so long as it doesn’t contradict previously accepted cultural narratives.)

    “I’m betting there has been a lot of intellectual bullying going on in classes, and the students WHO PAY FOR IT ALL are tired of it.”

    You can go ahead and keep betting, but until you have some hard factual evidence to back this up, that’s all you’ll be doing.

    “There is no diversity of opinion on campus these days.”

    Again, I’d like some evidence. Ever attended a facutly senate meeting? Ever been involved in the discussion of curricular issues? Are you aware of the ongoing symposia faculty representatives attend — in addition to their often overloaded responsibilities of teaching, scholarship, and service to the university (and community, in many cases) — in an effort to reform their curricula to make it both more competitive and effective? I doubt receive the scores of emails and other communications that I do during the course of a typical semester dealing with such issues, so I have to doubt that you’re in much of a position to speak authoritatively on such issues.

  280. 348

    For the Clueless spews:

    Yes, something might be taken out of context. That is what open discussions are for.

    Yes, it’s very productive for debate when “arguments” are supported with quotes taken out of context. Really moves things forward. Wingnuts have been doing this for decades and look what it has done for them. Now they want to do it in what is the “final frontier” for them – the universities. They got a majority of wingnuts in the Congress running up fiscal deficits now they want a wingnut majority in the universities running intellectual deficits.

    I’m betting there has been a lot of intellectual bullying going on in classes, and the students WHO PAY FOR IT ALL are tired of it.

    It’s a free country. If a student is displeased with the level of wingnuttiness in their school, they can attend another one – that serves up the appropriate level of wingnut propaganda.

    There is no diversity of opinion on campus these days.

    Absurd. Moonies, La Rouchians and college republicans were there in my day and they’re still there now. Dream on Janet S.

  281. 349

    Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist spews:

    Janet S: Do you know of any right wing web sites that Gody will not let his readers post a link to?

    I’ll save you the time. There are none.

    Stefan, at uSP, has banned this one on his blog: http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com His explanation is that the articles in it are “inappropriate”.

    Take a look at the website —- or do ideas that you don’t like so scary and “inappropriate” that you , like Stefan, ban them.

    You are a totally transparent hypocrite, Janet S., and your clitoris is the size of a mango. [JCH] told me.

  282. 350

    Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist spews:

    [JCH]: Since you are a conservative born-again after-birth, do you even know what an ANABAPTIST is? I doubt it.

  283. 351

    Janet S spews:

    Seems like the left wing faculty at our esteemed universities are afraid of free speech.

    Students want to record their lectures, which is a common practice. Are the professors afraid that what they are saying might make it out of the classroom? Yes, something might be taken out of context. That is what open discussions are for. I’m betting there has been a lot of intellectual bullying going on in classes, and the students WHO PAY FOR IT ALL are tired of it.

    Professors are a protected insular class of demogogues who have decided that they are just smarter than everyone else, and should be able to run the world. They got Summers fired at Harvard, even though students, alums and donors all like him. He didn’t toe the line, so he had to go. There is no diversity of opinion on campus these days.

  284. 352

    Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist spews:

    re #’s 67 & 68:[JCH]– Black people did not arrive in America speaking English. Your ancestors taught them how to speak. Much like in “ROOTS” where your ancestor does the call and response song to the Swahili speaking Kunta Kinte:

    [JCH]’s ancestor– singing: “What’s that thing runnin’ roun’ that tree?”

    Kunta Kinte: “That’s your wife, [JCH]! That’s your wife!”

    Get it? Kunta Kinte mistakes a dog for your ancestors wife. Hah!!! [JCH[: Go out by the oak Tell your ol’ lady the good Rev. says ,HI!

  285. 353

    Dr. E spews:

    IMO it’s largely just another non-issue to inflame the right wing against “liberals”. They’ve been purrty good at that kind of thing in the past: look at the myth of the so called “liberal” media for one.

  286. 356

    Dr. E spews:

    “The report documents 117 campus incidents as “evidence’’ of anti-Americanism.”

    You know, this is the kind of shit that really pisses me off. I’ve got a copy of the report concerned, Defending Civilization right here on my desktop, and it’s not much more than an anit-liberal screed with page after page of anecdotal “evidence” that purports to claim an imbalance in the intellectual life on American campuses. I call it a “screed”, because it progresses from a flawed thesis: that it was the responsibility of the academy to respond to Sept. 11th in exactly the same way the report perceives the American public to have done: “with anger, patriotism, and support of military intervention.” We are then offered copious examples of such failure to react in lockstep with the rest of America.

    The last time I checked, it was not the mission of most universities to react in lockstep with the masses, nor was “Americanism” (whatever that might be) a central value or concept to be upheld by universities. If this were the case, we might as well write that into the policy manuals of all US universities, do away with all hiring of non-US citizens, and remove all curricular content that might prove controversial and/or challenge previously accepted views of historical matter.

    ACTA also paints a crisis in its most recent “report”, Intellectual Diversity: Time for Action, in the purported paucity of “conservative” faculty members. This leaves me with two questions:
    1) Where are all these “conservative” academics, and;
    2) Why aren’t they applying for jobs?

    There is no evidence given of discrimination in the hiring process based on a candidate’s political views. I’ve been involved in at least half a dozen faculty searches in the past few years, and have never once seen the candidate’s political views be an issue — it’s not even a criterion in the application process. Sure, in my field such views would be tangential at best, and in many other fields almost completely irrelevant, but even in the more politically charged environments on campus (many disciplines in the Humanities might fall into this category) I still don’t know of any such discrimination.

  287. 357

    Puddybud spews:

    BigBullShitterRogerRabbit@Everywhere: You need to read more URLs than the links from Think Progress or even the left leaning ABA!!! It took me all of 0.40 seconds to find the correct URL to flush your bullshit down the toilet! Tsk, tsk!

    Now who ask Roger Rabbit to scour the Ether and search the Internet for help on their topic?

  288. 360

    For the Clueless spews:

    Hey Bush boot-licking, America-hating Wingnuts,

    The words of the father of modern American conservatism, William F. Buckley Jr:

    One can’t doubt that the American objective in Iraq has failed.

    Our mission has failed because Iraqi animosities have proved uncontainable by an invading army of 130,000 Americans.

    And the kernel here is the acknowledgment of defeat.

    Ok wingnuts are you going to call for Buckley to be tried and hanged for sedition just like you did for Howard Dean?

  289. 361

    Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist spews:

    If we had no reason for a war on terror we would have to invent oneto keep the defense industry flush. We are the only country in history that has beaten its plowshares into swords.

    But don’t you feel better that Bush and his cronies can continue to make obscene profits off this stuff and also quash freedom.

  290. 363

    Tree Frog Farmer spews:

    To all and Sundry: I want you all to know that what GBS did to JCH[POS] yesterday was Hyas Skookum. GBS, I know your not out there right now, but I want you to know you are tyee tillikum in my book.

  291. 364

    Mrs. Rabbit spews:

    A former US Republican congressman has resigned from the advisory board of a university alumni group after it emerged the latter was offering students money to police “liberal” professors at the University of California, Los Angeles.
    James Rogan, who served two terms in office, sent an email on Wednesday to Andrew Jones, the head of the Bruin Alumni Association, saying he did not want his name connected to the group. Mr Rogan’s resignation follows those of the Harvard historian Stephan Thernstrom and the UCLA professor emeritus Jascha Kessler, who both resigned from the board once they learned of the group’s activities.

    The group has been offering students up to $100 to supply tape recordings and notes from classes to expose professors suspected of pushing liberal political views on their students. The targeted professors have likened the effort to a witchhunt.

    “Any sober, concerned citizen would look at this and see right through it as a reactionary form of McCarthyism,” said Peter McLaren, an education professor whom the association named as No 1 on its list of The Dirty Thirty: Ranking the Worst of the Worst.

    AN aggressive attack on freedom has been launched upon America’s college campuses. Its perpetrators seek the elimination of ideas and activities that place Sept. 11 in historical context, or critique the so-called war on terrorism.
    The offensive, spearheaded by the American Council of Trustees and Alumni, a Washington-based group, threatens free speech, democratic debate and the integrity of higher education. In an incendiary report, “Defending Civilization: How Our Universities Are Failing America,” the American Council claims that “colleges and university faculty have been the weak link in America’s response” to Sept. 11. It also asserts that “when a nation’s intellectuals are unwilling to defend its civilization, they give comfort to its adversaries.”

    The report documents 117 campus incidents as “evidence” of anti-Americanism. More than 40 professors are named, including the president of Wesleyan University, who suggested in an open letter that “disparities and injustices” in American society and the world can lead to hatred and violence.

    Other examples abound. A Yale professor is criticized for saying, “It is from the desperate, angry and bereaved that these suicide pilots came.” A professor emeritus from the University of Oregon is listed for recommending that “we need to understand the reasons behind the terrifying hatred directed against the U.S. and find ways to act that will not foment more hatred for generations to come.”

    Dozens more comments, taken out of context and culled from secondary sources, are presented as examples of an unpatriotic academy.

    The American Council of Trustees and Alumni was founded in 1995 by Lynne Cheney, the vice president’s wife, and Sen. Joseph Lieberman. Its Website claims that it contributed $3.4 billion to colleges and universities last year, making it “the largest private source of support for higher education.” Cheney is cited several times in the report, and is reportedly a close associate of its authors, Jerry Martin and Anne Neal.

    Although the council’s stated objectives include the protection of academic freedom, the report resembles a blacklist. In a chilling use of doublespeak, it affirms the right of professors to speak out, yet condemns those who have attempted to give context to Sept. 11, encourage critical thinking, or share knowledge about other cultures. Faculty are accused of being “short on patriotism” for attempting to give students the analytical tools they need to become informed citizens.

    Many of those blacklisted are top scholars in their fields, and it appears that the report represents a kind of academic terrorism designed to strike fear into other academics by making examples of respected professors.

    The report might also function to extend control over sites of democratic debate — our universities — where freedom of expression is not only permitted but encouraged.

    At my campus, symposiums, teach-ins and lectures about religion, terrorism, central Asia, the Middle East and U.S. foreign policy have been organized recently. A teach-in entitled “Background for Understanding” drew hundreds of students, faculty and citizens from many political and intellectual perspectives. The audience had the opportunity to ask questions and comment freely. The discussion was lively and at times contentious.

    As a microcosm of society, the university is a place where people of different ethnicities, religions, generations, and class backgrounds exchange ideas and opinions. Anyone who has visited Bay Area colleges knows that they are especially rich places for intercultural exchange.

    The vigorous and often heated debates typical of such encounters are a hallmark of democratic processes. On most campuses this can still be done freely, but official accusations of anti-Americanism might intimidate and silence some voices.

    That is not patriotism, but fascism. The American Council’s position is inaccurate and irresponsible. Critique, debate, and exchange — not blind consensus or self-censorship — have characterized America since its inception.

    Our universities are not failing America. On the contrary, they are among the few institutions offering alternatives to canned mainstream media reports.

    The targeting of scholars who participate in civic debates might signal the emergence of a new McCarthyism directed at the academy. Before it escalates into a full-blown witch hunt in the name of “defending civilization,” faculty, students and citizens should speak out against these acts of academic terrorism.

    A former US Republican congressman has resigned from the advisory board of a university alumni group after it emerged the latter was offering students money to police “liberal” professors at the University of California, Los Angeles.
    James Rogan, who served two terms in office, sent an email on Wednesday to Andrew Jones, the head of the Bruin Alumni Association, saying he did not want his name connected to the group. Mr Rogan’s resignation follows those of the Harvard historian Stephan Thernstrom and the UCLA professor emeritus Jascha Kessler, who both resigned from the board once they learned of the group’s activities.

    The group has been offering students up to US$100 (£57) to supply tape recordings and notes from classes to expose professors suspected of pushing liberal political views on their students. The targeted professors have likened the effort to a witchhunt.

    “Any sober, concerned citizen would look at this and see right through it as a reactionary form of McCarthyism,” said Peter McLaren, an education professor whom the association named as No 1 on its list of The Dirty Thirty: Ranking the Worst of the Worst.

    A former US Republican congressman has resigned from the advisory board of a university alumni group after it emerged the latter was offering students money to police “liberal” professors at the University of California, Los Angeles.
    James Rogan, who served two terms in office, sent an email on Wednesday to Andrew Jones, the head of the Bruin Alumni Association, saying he did not want his name connected to the group. Mr Rogan’s resignation follows those of the Harvard historian Stephan Thernstrom and the UCLA professor emeritus Jascha Kessler, who both resigned from the board once they learned of the group’s activities.

    The group has been offering students up to US$100 (£57) to supply tape recordings and notes from classes to expose professors suspected of pushing liberal political views on their students. The targeted professors have likened the effort to a witchhunt.

    “Any sober, concerned citizen would look at this and see right through it as a reactionary form of McCarthyism,” said Peter McLaren, an education professor whom the association named as No 1 on its list of The Dirty Thirty: Ranking the Worst of the Worst.

    Lynne Cheney-Joe Lieberman Group Puts Out a Blacklist
    by Roberto J. Gonzalez

    AN aggressive attack on freedom has been launched upon America’s college campuses. Its perpetrators seek the elimination of ideas and activities that place Sept. 11 in historical context, or critique the so-called war on terrorism.
    The offensive, spearheaded by the American Council of Trustees and Alumni, a Washington-based group, threatens free speech, democratic debate and the integrity of higher education. In an incendiary report, “Defending Civilization: How Our Universities Are Failing America,” the American Council claims that “colleges and university faculty have been the weak link in America’s response” to Sept. 11. It also asserts that “when a nation’s intellectuals are unwilling to defend its civilization, they give comfort to its adversaries.”

    The report documents 117 campus incidents as “evidence” of anti-Americanism. More than 40 professors are named, including the president of Wesleyan University, who suggested in an open letter that “disparities and injustices” in American society and the world can lead to hatred and violence.

    Other examples abound. A Yale professor is criticized for saying, “It is from the desperate, angry and bereaved that these suicide pilots came.” A professor emeritus from the University of Oregon is listed for recommending that “we need to understand the reasons behind the terrifying hatred directed against the U.S. and find ways to act that will not foment more hatred for generations to come.”

    Dozens more comments, taken out of context and culled from secondary sources, are presented as examples of an unpatriotic academy.

    The American Council of Trustees and Alumni was founded in 1995 by Lynne Cheney, the vice president’s wife, and Sen. Joseph Lieberman. Its Website claims that it contributed $3.4 billion to colleges and universities last year, making it “the largest private source of support for higher education.” Cheney is cited several times in the report, and is reportedly a close associate of its authors, Jerry Martin and Anne Neal.

    Although the council’s stated objectives include the protection of academic freedom, the report resembles a blacklist. In a chilling use of doublespeak, it affirms the right of professors to speak out, yet condemns those who have attempted to give context to Sept. 11, encourage critical thinking, or share knowledge about other cultures. Faculty are accused of being “short on patriotism” for attempting to give students the analytical tools they need to become informed citizens.

    Many of those blacklisted are top scholars in their fields, and it appears that the report represents a kind of academic terrorism designed to strike fear into other academics by making examples of respected professors.

    The report might also function to extend control over sites of democratic debate — our universities — where freedom of expression is not only permitted but encouraged.

    At my campus, symposiums, teach-ins and lectures about religion, terrorism, central Asia, the Middle East and U.S. foreign policy have been organized recently. A teach-in entitled “Background for Understanding” drew hundreds of students, faculty and citizens from many political and intellectual perspectives. The audience had the opportunity to ask questions and comment freely. The discussion was lively and at times contentious.

    As a microcosm of society, the university is a place where people of different ethnicities, religions, generations, and class backgrounds exchange ideas and opinions. Anyone who has visited Bay Area colleges knows that they are especially rich places for intercultural exchange.

    The vigorous and often heated debates typical of such encounters are a hallmark of democratic processes. On most campuses this can still be done freely, but official accusations of anti-Americanism might intimidate and silence some voices.

    That is not patriotism, but fascism. The American Council’s position is inaccurate and irresponsible. Critique, debate, and exchange — not blind consensus or self-censorship — have characterized America since its inception.

    Our universities are not failing America. On the contrary, they are among the few institutions offering alternatives to canned mainstream media reports.

    The targeting of scholars who participate in civic debates might signal the emergence of a new McCarthyism directed at the academy. Before it escalates into a full-blown witch hunt in the name of “defending civilization,” faculty, students and citizens should speak out against these acts of academic terrorism.

  292. 365

    Mrs. Rabbit spews:

    The White House, last week, turned over 250 pages of emails from Vice President Dick Cheney’s office. Senior aides had sent the emails in the spring of 2003 related to the leak of covert CIA operative Valerie Plame Wilson, Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald revealed during a federal court hearing Friday.

    The emails are said to be explosive, and may prove that Cheney played an active role in the effort to discredit Plame Wilson’s husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, a vocal critic of the Bush administration’s prewar Iraq intelligence, sources close to the investigation said.

    Sources close to the probe said the White House “discovered” the emails two weeks ago and turned them over to Fitzgerald last week. The sources added that the emails could prove that Cheney lied to FBI investigators when he was interviewed about the leak in early 2004. Cheney said that he was unaware of any effort to discredit Wilson or unmask his wife’s undercover status to reporters.

  293. 367

    Mrs. Rabbit spews:

    1. Bush and his UAE connections: “A sheik from the United Arab
    Emirates contributed at least $1 million to the Bush Library Foundation, which established the George Bush Presidential Library at Texas A&M University in College Station.”
    2. UAE has had ties to terrorist networks, according to the Sept. 11 Commission report. It was one of the few countries in the world that recognized the al-Qaida-friendly Taliban government in Afghanistan; al-Qaida funneled millions of dollars through the U.A.E. financial sector; and A.Q. Khan, the notorious Pakistani nuclear technology smuggler, used warehouses near the Dubai port as a key transit point for many of his shipments.

  294. 368

    Cougar spews:

    In my continual quest to educate Mark the Rake and Just a Chicken Hawk:

    Secret Service agents guarding Vice President Dick Cheney when he shot Texas lawyer Harry Whittington on a hunting outing two weeks ago say Cheney was “clearly inebriated” at the time of the shooting.

    One agent at the scene has been placed on administrative leave and another requested reassignment this week. A memo reportedly written by one agent has been destroyed, sources said Wednesday afternoon.

    http://www.capitolhillblue.com.....8184.shtml

    enjoy

  295. 370

    Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist spews:

    marks: You can’t defend the indefensible. Your position is that you feel that we must allow baby killers to guard our ports AT ANY COST so that Bush doesn’t have to admit he made a mistake.

    Your assurances that these Arabs would be illogical to sabotage a profitable business by using it as a funnel for terrorism is as quaint as the Constitution is to Alberto Gonsalez. Give it up. You’re wrong about everything.

  296. 371

    Donnageddon spews:

    The U.A.E financed and provided personnel for the attacks of 9/11.

    Now Bush wants a U.A.E OWNED company to operate 21 US Ports. Bush threatens his first ever veto to anyone to stop the deal with the terrorist supporting country.

    marks, says “OK with me!”

    The vast majority of the US says “Hell No! We do not want terrorist supporting countries running our ports!” Both Democratic, and Republican Congress people do not support the anti-American, terrorist-loving deal.

    marks claims “racism!” marks further reveals that he never even knew that the company was owned by U.A.E. He “thought” it was just based there.

    What a dumbshit clown for the Democracy hating NeoCons.

    Why does marks hate America?

    Only marks can answer that.

    But sources say he just doesn’t think before he knee jerks a NeoCon response.

  297. 372

    Donnageddon spews:

    Remember, marks, this is not a “company” “based” in U.A.E, this is a company OWNED by the terrorist supporting country of U.A.E.

    Get it?

    Yet?

  298. 373

    Donnageddon spews:

    “Governor Kean knows as much as anyone how risky it is to deal with the United Arab Emirates,” said Rep. Peter King (news, bio, voting record), R-N.Y., chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee and a leading opponent.

    “This just proves that no real investigation was ever conducted, and it’s unfortunate that he and the other 9/11 commissioners were not contacted before the government approved this.”

    The former head of the CIA’s Osama bin Laden unit joined in the criticism.

    “The fact that you are putting a company in place that could already be infiltrated by al-Qaida is a silly thing to do,” said Mike Scheuer, who headed the CIA unit until 1999″

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.....s_security

    Get it, marks?

    Yet?

  299. 374

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    47

    “These Islands need some riots and revolution.”

    There’s nothing going on at those Islands that can’t be fixed by voting in a Democratic Congress and President.

  300. 377

    Donnageddon spews:

    Republicans = Right To Life = Unless you are on Saipan, where you will be bred like farm animals and required to succumb to abortion on the demand of your employer = Made in USA

  301. 378

    BOB from BOEING spews:

    13

    Thanks RR – this is the horror story of the season. Slave labor style sweat shops on territory controlled by the USA. Workers could not date, lived in compounds with barb wire.

    God, makes my belly churn. These Islands need some riots and revolution.

  302. 379

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    42

    “Corporations are the enemy of the living.”

    A corporation, in and of itself, is not an evil thing. It’s simply a legal form of organization that makes possible endeavors that require large amounts of capital and large organizations. A small business couldn’t build Boeing jets, for example.

    The enemy is not the corporate form of business organization by itself, but rather the individuals who have perverted the purposes of corporate organization for the wrong ends.

  303. 380

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    42

    “Most of it,RR, is being done by Republicans, but you have to admit that ‘centrist’ Democrats are no slouches either when it comes to this selling us out to the corporations.”

    Yeah, I realize that’s a problem, but it’s an internal problem we have to take care of within the Democratic Party, and we don’t need any Republicans for that job. And it’s a trivial problem compared to the rape of the working and middle classes by the GOP.

  304. 381

    Donnageddon spews:

    “you have to admit that “centrist” Democrats are no slouches either when it comes to this selling us out to the corporations.”

    Have to hand it to the Right Wing. They have successfully made “centrist” Democrats into nothing but moderate Rupublicans.

    We need to get control of the Congress, and then teach these “centrist” Democrats were their roots grow.

    And it sure as hell ain’t corporate roots.

  305. 383

    Donnageddon spews:

    Chuckles should learn this phrase:

    The U.A.E supported the Terrorists. Two of the terrorists were from the U.A.E.

  306. 384

    Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist spews:

    Most of it,RR, is being done by Republicans, but you have to admit that “centrist” Democrats are no slouches either when it comes to this selling us out to the corporations. What is it we think we need from them anymore?

    Corporations are the enemy of the living. We either need to find a way to control them or , if that’s not possible, to destroy them. They will eventually self-destruct, but will it be too late by then?

    As people becomemore sophisticated about what corporations are really all about you will see communities ,as they are with WalMart now, fighting to keep them out.

    Why don’t we organize a “shopper’s strike” against WalMart? What are they gonna do — fire us? close the damn store? The surest way to close a WalMart is to try to unionize it.

  307. 385

    Donnageddon spews:

    Stefan won’t share the loot from his lawsuit against King County with the generous donors to your �legal action fund� who paid for the lawsuit because:

    [ ] 1. He’s a selfish prick,
    [ ] 2. He can’t hold a job and needs the money,
    [X] 3. What loot? his lawsuit has no merit and will be summarily dismissed,
    [ ] 4. All of the above.

  308. 386

    Dr. E spews:

    Did any of you catch Chucklenuts’ ultra-bitchin’ speech today? My informal word count shows 37 explicit references to “terror” (e.g. “terror”, “terrorism”, “terrorist(s)”, etc.) in just over 5500 words.

    That’s pretty impressive, if you think about it: on average, he can’t go more than about 150 words without using the “T” word. Since most people speak at around 150 words per minute, that’s a rate of 1 “T” word per minute.

    Who ever knew der GröPaZ was so talented?

  309. 387

    Donnageddon spews:

    Corporations became evil when they became “people”.

    Corporations as “people” are sociopaths, bent on nothing but their own profit. As such they need strict oversite and regulation.

    Nothing wrong with profit. But a Person who would kill, lie, cheat, and defoul anything in its wake only for profit, is a sociopath.

  310. 388

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Hey Stefan — I know you read this blog — why aren’t you going to share the loot from your lawsuit against King County with the generous donors to your “legal action fund” who paid for the lawsuit?

  311. 390

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    ROGER RABBIT POLL

    Stefan won’t share the loot from his lawsuit against King County with the generous donors to your “legal action fund” who paid for the lawsuit because:

    [ ] 1. He’s a selfish prick,
    [ ] 2. He can’t hold a job and needs the money,
    [ ] 3. What loot? his lawsuit has no merit and will be summarily dismissed,
    [ ] 4. All of the above.

  312. 391

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wow! This thread already has 34 comments! That’s more than Stefan’s pathetic little blog gets in a week.

  313. 395

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    “Thirty years ago the average annual compensation of the top 100 chief executives in the country was 30 times the pay of the average worker. Today it is 1000 times the pay of the average worker. A recent article in The Financial Times reports on a study by the American economist Robert J. Gordon, who finds ‘little long-term change in workers’ share of U.S. income over the past half century.’ Middle-ranking Americans are being squeezed, he says, because the top ten percent of earners have captured almost half the total income gains in the past four decades and the top one percent have gained the most of all – ‘more in fact, than all the bottom 50 percent.’

    ” … In the words of Louis Brandeis, one of the greatest of our Supreme Court justices: ‘You can have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, or democracy, but you cannot have both.'”

    http://www.tompaine.com/articl....._trust.php

    If you vote Republican, you are evil and will go to Hell.

  314. 396

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Hey MTR don’t expect any sympathy on this blog — we can’t think of a nicer guy for it to happen to!!! Next time go to Aurora Avenue, it’s cheaper! ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

  315. 397

    spews:

    Tom Delay = anti-choice…

    …which means the women in the Marianas sweatshops are forced into having abortions. You know, against their choice.

  316. 398

    RUFUS spews:

    Doofus @3

    You should talk! Wingnuts like you are experts at sucking up. But for what? You don’t think the Republican power brokers who are amassing all of America’s wealth in their own pockets will share any of it with you, do you?

    Comment by Roger Rabbit— 2/24/06 @ 9:48 pm

    WTF are talking about. The tax rates are low and the military is strong. That is all we republicans ask.

  317. 399

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    19

    “Because lies didn’t stick to him of course. Everyone knows that. Comment by RUFUS— 2/24/06 @ 10:09 pm”

    If that’s so, why are Bush’s approval ratings in the toilet?

  318. 400

    Donnageddon spews:

    Doofus “The tax rates are low and the military is strong. That is all we republicans ask.”

    And deficits are at record levels, job growth is non existant, and middle class wealth is shrinking.

    Your NeoCons ask too much.

    That is why you are gonna be as dead as the Dodo, come Novemnber.

  319. 401

    Donnageddon spews:

    And the military is lowering standards to entice new recruits.

    Yeah the Military is strong. IF by “Strong” you mean “broken”.

  320. 403

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    “WTF are talking about. The tax rates are low and the military is strong. That is all we republicans ask. Comment by RUFUS— 2/24/06 @ 10:11 pm”

    This is WTF I’m talking about:

    “For years now a small fraction of American households have been garnering an extreme concentration of wealth and income while large corporations and financial institutions have obtained unprecedented levels of economic and political power over daily life. In 1960, the gap in terms of wealth between the top 20 percent and the bottom 20 percent was 30-fold. Four decades later it is more than 75-fold. … By the end of the ’70s, corporate America had begun a stealthy assault on the rest of our society and the principles of our democracy. … What has been happening to the middle and working classes is not the result of Adam Smith’s invisible hand but the direct consequence of corporate activism, intellectual collusion, the rise of a religious orthodoxy that has made an idol of wealth and power, and a host of political decisions favoring the powerful monied interests who … set out to trash the social contract; to cut workforces and their wages; to scour the globe in search of cheap labor; and to shred the social safety net that was supposed to protect people from hardships beyond their control.”

    http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?.....cle=040810

    All of this is being doing by REPUBLICANS and those who vote for Republicans, pardner. And you’re gonna go to Hell for it.

  321. 404

    Donnageddon spews:

    Mark The Villiage Idiot Reddick

    “Include vaginamoney and asset split. Adds up in helluva hurry. ”

    Especially for an asshole sperm doner like you, dipshit.

    Clue Phone: MTR, quit getting women pregnant and then expecting them to raise a family in your single wide trailer.

  322. 405

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Hey Mark TR! So you fucked her once, she had a kid, and you paid 500K for one fuck!! That’s rich!!! You should’ve gone to Aurora Avenue, it’s cheaper. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

  323. 406

    RUFUS spews:

    Roofass: The same people own it now as Then. What was all that crap about the “teflon” president? You paranoid little baby turd.

    Comment by Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist— 2/24/06 @ 9:41 pm

    Because lies didn’t stick to him of course. Everyone knows that.

  324. 407

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    11

    Oh I see — you’re counting alimony and property settlement as “child support.” You ARE a fucking liar!

  325. 408

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Well, a liar, anyway. Given your attitude toward women, it’s hard to imagine any woman letting you fuck her. So the adjective “fucking” probably shouldn’t be used to describe you, because you’ve probably gotten very little fucking in your miserable lifetime.

  326. 409

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    4

    “explain to me what fucking business government has in subsidizing recreation”

    Well gee, Mark TR, as I’ve posted before, I’m against taxpayer subsidies for football and baseball stadia, basketball arenas, and NASCAR tracks.

    OK, now it’s your turn: Explain to me what fucking business our federal government has protecting and perpetuating the slave labor camps on Saipan, and why U.S. retailers should be able to sell the garments made in those camps by foreign slave laborers with “Made in U.S.A.” labels?

  327. 411

    Donnageddon spews:

    On the U.A.E Port seel off

    The quicker the Bush administration can get out of the deal, the better, There’s no question that two of the 9/11 hijackers came from there and money was laundered through there,”

    -Thomas Kean, former Republican governor of New Jersey and head of the 9/11 commission

    Hey marks and MTR, wanna defend this Port Operations sell off to a terrorist supporting state?

    Go ahead, suckers.

  328. 412

    LeftTurn spews:

    Well it’s been 1030 days since the cowardly draft dodging drunk Baby George Bush declared MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. How’s that working for you righties?

  329. 413

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Doofus @3

    You should talk! Wingnuts like you are experts at sucking up. But for what? You don’t think the Republican power brokers who are amassing all of America’s wealth in their own pockets will share any of it with you, do you?

  330. 414

    Mark The Redneck spews:

    Roger – Include vaginamoney and asset split. Adds up in helluva hurry. You fucking idiot.

  331. 415

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Hey Mark the Redneck … I didn’t catch your explanation of how you managed to owe $500,000 of child support for 1 kid. Could you post it again, please? I’m curious about why the judge gave you a special rate of $3,000 a month for 1 kid. Did you threaten to kill the judge, or are you a fucking liar?

  332. 416

    Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist spews:

    Roofass: The same people own it now as Then. What was all that crap about the “teflon” president? You paranoid little baby turd.

  333. 417

    RUFUS spews:

    re 3: We learned how to do it onuSP. There’s plenty of time to read stuff like that because, guess what, that flippin’ OCD moron Stefan bans anyone who disagrees with him.

    Good. Now you know how the right felt when all we had was the MSM back 20 years ago. You lefties are such whiners.

  334. 419

    Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist spews:

    re 3: We learned how to do it onuSP. There’s plenty of time to read stuff like that because, guess what, that flippin’ OCD moron Stefan bans anyone who disagrees with him. Read some articles on this site: You really need to http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com

  335. 421

    Mark The Redneck spews:

    What do you moonbats think of the blank check for “civic improvements” that your great leader Sims wants? Do you think private money should go to pay for a stadium for rich multimillionaires players and their more wealthy owners?

    If so, explain to me what fucking business government has in subsidizing recreation? And if you’re so delerious that you think that’s OK, then explain why not stealing money from wealth producing business is bad.

    Watch for rakes…

  336. 422

    Puddybud spews:

    WithoutaClue@AllOver: Trust me, I am not Kevin. Also the Analbaptist has been posting about dildoes, anal sex, etc. I was clearing the FUD he was spewing.

    Roger, since your red bloodshot eyes may have issues reading facts from the link above: “On 22 April 1997, U.S. Defense Department spokesman Kenneth Bacon officially stated, “When the U.S.-North Korea nuclear agreement was signed in Geneva in 1994, the U.S. intelligence authorities already believed North Korea had produced plutonium enough for at least one nuclear weapon.” This was the first time the United States confirmed North Korea’s possession of plutonium.”

Weekend open thread

You may have noticed I’ve been throwing in an open thread a bit more frequently. I’ve been busy. Deal.

Comments

  1. 426

    JCH spews:

    Daddy Love, It looks like the Iraq Air Force No. 2 said that Sadaam moved WMD to Syria by air and ground 30 days prior to the war while France and Russia bought delay time at the UN. BUSH LIED!!! BUSH LIED!! BUSH LIED!! Oh, he didn’t? ………… Never mind!! [SNL’s Roasanna Rosanndana]

  2. 428

    Drivel spews:

    JCH…..the result of a ‘jaundiced coat hanger’. Too bad his mommy did not have any health insurance! If she had, we would not have to listen to his infected babble each day.

  3. 430

    EXPERT from BOEING spews:

    JCH – you need to get some help with your dementia and hate monger style. Goldy, zap this shit face — way over the top.

    Used to debate with the KKK on the radio — they had more class.

  4. 433

    fire_one spews:

    Why don’t you run off to (u)SP where you can join your Nazi brethren in reciting Faux talking points….

  5. 434

    Drivel spews:

    Just like a Wingnut, JCH is now calling Sadam’s #2 an honest type of guy. Funny, seems their heroes are all the same. Sadam’s ex-enforcers, Koresh types, basically anyone that has fallen to the lowest level of the human scope. Hey JCH, you fit right in their with them!

  6. 435

    JCH spews:

    Drivel, the Democrat Party is more of a threat to America than any terrorists. You are the parasites and losers who demand others pay your way. Atlas has Shrugged. Die in the cold winter, Grasshopper. The ants just don’t give a shit anymore.

  7. 436

    Emily spews:

    Goldy–are you going to do a story about the Republicans’ election of a new Majority Leader in the House? The first vote the held resulted in more votes than people in the room. Is this a technique they learned from the King County Republicans? Or did both groups learn it in College Republicans?

  8. 437

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    College Republicans — aren’t they the con artists who fleeced senior citizens? http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....bs28m.html

    “Fund-raising group milks vulnerable senior citizens

    “Copyright 2004, The Seattle Times Co.
    “By David Postman and Jim Brunner
    “Seattle Times staff reporters

    T”he College Republican National Committee has raised $6.3 million this year through an aggressive and misleading fund-raising campaign that collected money from senior citizens who thought they were giving to the election efforts of President Bush and other top Republicans.

    “Many of the top donors were in their 80s and 90s. The donors wrote checks — sometimes hundreds and, in at least one case, totaling more than $100,000 — to groups with official sounding-names such as ‘Republican Headquarters 2004′ …. But all of those groups … were … projects of the College Republicans, who collected all of the checks. And little of the money went to election efforts … 90 percent went to direct-mail vendors and postage expenses, according to records filed with the Internal Revenue Service.

    “Some of the elderly donors, meanwhile, wound up bouncing checks and emptying their bank accounts.

    “‘I don’t have any more money,’ said Cecilia Barbier, a 90-year-old retired church council worker in New York City. ‘I’m stopping giving to everybody. That was all my savings that they got.’

    “In Van Buren, Ark., Monda Jo Millsap, 68, said she emptied her savings account by writing checks to College Republicans, then got a bank loan of $5,000 and sent that, too, before totaling her donations at more than $59,000.

    ” … since at least 2001, some leaders of College Republicans have objected to the tone and targeting of the fund raising done by Response Dynamics, the Virginia company that handles the direct-mail campaign. … ‘We felt their fund-raising practices were deceptive, to say the least,’ said George Gunning, former treasurer of the College Republicans. Gunning said he and two other board members fought to cut ties with Response Dynamics but were blocked by other leaders ….

    “The board debated the fund-raising practices after the family of an elderly Indiana woman with Alzheimer’s disease demanded that her donations be returned. The woman’s family said it had sent a registered letter asking that she be taken off the mailing list, but the solicitations continued. Only after a newspaper reported on the story did the College Republicans refund $40,000 to the family, according to Jackie Boyle, one of the woman’s nieces.

    “‘I think this is a nationwide scam,’ Boyle said on hearing of recent complaints. ‘They’re covering the whole country … they need to be investigated.'”

  9. 438

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    HEY TROLLFUCKS!!! Give up your hopes of this windstorm knocking Roger Rabbit off line!!! I’ve got a GENERATOR!!!

    HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR

  10. 442

    lower case mark spews:

    Yeah, it is alot better to give the Chinese weapons technology
    for campaign donations and crack to the rest of the democrats
    in town for their votes.

  11. 444

    Mark The Redneck spews:

    Iran continues to threaten the world. They continue to tell the french and the UN to fuck off.

    How long should we wait before we bomb the shit out of them? Or should we not do that because “violence doesn’t solve anything”?

    The world has taken the moonbat approach with them and look how well that has worked. Is it time for the adults to step in?

  12. 445

    RUFUS spews:

    5 & 6

    Wabbit is trying to knock repubs down to the donks level. I cant wait or the Libby trial, its going to be a disaster for the donks. Donks = Traitors.

  13. 446

    Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist spews:

    kissing rich peoples’ booty X S-Corporation tax free money to rich people for pitiful contributions = Republican Congress

  14. 447

    RUFUS spews:

    15

    You rely on CNN and the MSM to give the straight truth about the military? Haven’t you donks learn anything from the Newsweek scandal. Next thing we will see is these donks pointing to stories on 60 minutes as the truth. Geeeesh

  15. 448

    RUFUS spews:

    Comander ogg, does CNN have “donkuments” backing their story? If so what subscript is it in? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

  16. 449

    Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist spews:

    Well, we don’t have much to worry about with Doofus & Co. trying to declare martial law ( not “marshall law” as they say at uSP ) with a worn out army and if they try to use the nouvou Pinkerton Army they’re trying to put together we may be forced to pull a Hutu on them.

  17. 450

    Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist spews:

    Ban righty trolls who comment here and on uSP. Fair and Balanced, that’s my motto!

  18. 451

    fire_one spews:

    Looks like we will be headed into Iran shortly. When are the Democrats in Congress going to grow a pair and IMPEACH that son of a bitch?

  19. 452

    Mark The Redneck spews:

    ROger, C’mon… do you really believe that most rich people got that way through illegitmate means? Those people get a lot of press, but how about the rich guy next door? Do you think he’s a crook? It doesn’t even occur to you that hard work is rewarded.

    You’re pathetic…

  20. 453

    Mark The Redneck spews:

    Fire One – I agree. Let’s wait until Iran lobs a nuke on us or somebody else, and then go to the UN and debate it for a year or two. We can then admonish them in the “strongest possible terms”.

    Is that what you want? Or should we bomb the shit out of them now before they do it?

  21. 454

    Wells spews:

    Sheesh. I predict Bush will step down, resign the Presidency in disgrace. For the love of God and country, this criminal administration must be stopped. Activist republicans are lying traitors. Evangelical christian republicans are the chaff, Christ would winnow and throw away. It’s a damned disgrace that any member of the Bush political dynasty could hold public office.

  22. 455

    fire_one spews:

    MTR – What the fuck you talking about? The Iranians are years from having any sort of nuclear weapon. And if they had one, what exactly would they LOB it with? Why are R’s so scared of everything? They are scared of their own shadow, and want us to be scared with them… The only reason they want us scared is so they can take away our civil liberties and establish a kingdom…

  23. 456

    JCH spews:

    Dear Muslims and Democrats, May I post a cartoon of Muhammad taking it from a pig “Democrat Tookie” style? Will you libs be “offended”? Will the Muslims burn down Honolulu? Will the Democrat muslims in Detroit robbed liquor stores, loot gas stations, and close down 8 Mile?

  24. 457

    Mark The Redneck spews:

    Rev – What’s your problem with “rich people”. Why do you hate productive successful people?

  25. 458

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    12

    “successful people”

    Like Mike McGavick? Who got $14.5 million a year for screwing his policyholders? Or did they just pay him all that money as a disguised campaign contribution, so he can be an insurance industry lackey in the U.S. Senate, and carry on his work of screwing consumers?

    McGavick ain’t gonna get elected dogcatcher. Eat shit, Pukes!

  26. 459

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Hey MTR, our “problem” with most rich people is they don’t get their money honestly, they get it by plundering corporations, fucking over workers and consumers, licking the government tit, or just plain stealing it. Getting big money has nothing to do with “earning” anymore, it’s just looting now.

  27. 460

    Commander Ogg spews:

    Mr. Mark The Redneck,

    The “adults” stepped on it in Iraq 3 years ago. The body count is now at 2382 dead.

    Exactly what troops and equipment are we going to use in Iraq now that the Flight Suit in Chief has wrecked the Military?

    Army stretched to breaking point, report says

    Rumsfeld says military not overextended but ‘battle hardened’
    Wednesday, January 25, 2006; Posted: 4:08 p.m. EST (21:08 GMT)

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Stretched by frequent troop rotations to Iraq and Afghanistan, the Army has become a “thin green line” that could snap unless relief comes soon, according to a study for the Pentagon.

    You people really do not live in the reality based community. You keep repeating the same thing over and over until you actually believe it is true. Amazing.

    MTR, our young men and women have bent over backwards trying to cover up the stupidity of the FSIC and the litter Rummer boy. But they only have so much to give before Reality Bites,

  28. 462

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    20

    “Ban righty trolls who comment here and on uSP. Fair and Balanced, that’s my motto! Comment by Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist— 2/4/06 @ 12:05 pm”

    What on earth for? If they want to come here and get the stuffing kicked out of them — let ‘em!!!!!

  29. 463

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    11

    “kissing rich peoples’ booty X S-Corporation tax free money to rich people for pitiful contributions = Republican Congress”

    Rich people contributed $4 billion to the GOP between 2000 and 2004, and got $400 billion in tax breaks — a 100-fold return on their investment. From a purely accounting point of view, it’s the best money they’ve ever spent.

  30. 464

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Doofus @17

    “You rely on CNN and the MSM to give the straight truth about the military? Haven’t you donks learn anything from the Newsweek scandal. Next thing we will see is these donks pointing to stories on 60 minutes as the truth. Geeeesh”

    Question for you, Doofus. Bush has been caught lying so many times, why do you believe anything he says? Just curious.

  31. 465

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Doofus @10

    “Wabbit is trying to knock repubs down to the … level.”

    Nonsense. Repubs do that so well I can’t compete.

  32. 466

    JCH spews:

    HEY TROLLFUCKS!!! Give up your hopes of this windstorm knocking Roger Rabbit off line!!! I’ve got a GENERATOR!!! [RR]……..RR, Take the word “got” out of your sentence. [4th grade grammar]

  33. 467

    JCH spews:

    [26] REV, Your “Marxism” is showing. Very sad that today’s Democrat Party has “morphed” into The American Communist Party.

  34. 468

    JCH spews:

    REv, Was that you outside of the New Orlean’s Best Buy with the looted 52 inch Sony plasma TV? Did George Bush make you “run” with your “lootin bros”?

  35. 469

    JCH spews:

    MTR – What the fuck you talking about? The Iranians are years from having any sort of nuclear weapon. And if they had one, what exactly would they LOB it with? Why are R’s so scared of everything? They are scared of their own shadow, and want us to be scared with them… The only reason they want us scared is so they can take away our civil liberties and establish a kingdom…

    Comment by fire_one — 2/4/06 @ 12:50 pm [FireOne……Who needs the NSA or CIA when YOU [think you] know everything!]

  36. 470

    JCH spews:

    REV AA, Why is it that blacks make up 12% of the population in America, but are 50% of the AIDs cases? Please explain!

  37. 471

    JCH spews:

    If Iran nukes the NY Times Building or the DNC Building, we should write a stern letter to the United Nations!! [hehe]

  38. 472

    fire_one spews:

    JCH – Wow! What a zinger. You have nothing to contribute, so you stoop to personal attacks. Typical neo-Nazi. According to Fox news, they are still several years away from any sort of nuclear weapon. While I don’t usually believe Faux News, I know it is a source YOU trust…

  39. 478

    Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist spews:

    Where in the Constitution or anywhere else , for that matter, does it say that American style Corporatism is the only type of economic system that is compatible with our constitutional republican democracy?

  40. 481

    lower case mark spews:

    Fire one, We are afraid of those muslim pieces of shit because
    eventually they are going to procure some nuclear weapons
    and maybe detonate 10 or 20 of them in BLUE RETARDED Town
    near you. I just pray you are sterile. Too bad your mom
    didn’t have an abortion. What kind of earrings do you have?

  41. 482

    Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist spews:

    Prescott Bush made big money knowingly and willingly off of Jewish slave labor in the holocaust. A part of the Bush family fortune is based on the broken lives and bodies of holocaust victims. This is a matter of public record.

    The acorn doesn’t fall far from the tree, Jch. This president will not protect you from anything

  42. 483

    K spews:

    You make Kennedy all things Democratic. And then object when other examples are brought to the table. You don’t get to make the rules.

  43. 484

    K spews:

    And fuck you about predators in schools. I have spent years on the PTA board and countless hours volunteering in classrooms. WHat have you done?

  44. 485

    RUFUS spews:

    And fuck you about predators in schools. I have spent years on the PTA board and countless hours volunteering in classrooms. WHat have you done?

    Comment by K— 2/4/06 @ 8:26 pm

    Read the newspaper. You should try it sometime asshole. It is not all lies.

  45. 486

    RUFUS spews:

    Repeat it and it must be true, or not.

    Comment by K— 2/4/06 @ 8:22 pm

    Why you donks do it with Bush with your lies. The only difference is I am telling the truth.

  46. 487

    K spews:

    When you read the newspaper, try understanding it. You no doubt are referring to the union resisting releasing the names of teachers accused but not convicted. There is still a presumption on innocence in this country. And again, in my real world involvement in the schools when a teacher did have credible evidence of improper conduct with students, the union stepped aside and let hustice take its course.

    Using that BIG LIE again. Repeating a discredited story from the repub talking points.

  47. 489

    RUFUS spews:

    115

    Well that is one story. How about the teacher at a public school in North Seattle who just got busted after repeated warning signs. How about the teacher in Bellevue who even more recently got busted. How about the Janitor in a central seattle public school. I can go on and on. As far as the teacher union is concerned I am glad to see our kids are in such capable hands. Geesh give me a freaken break.

  48. 490

    Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist spews:

    re 22: So, all this Republican hubbub about repealing the inheritance tax is to benefit : “productive , hardworking people”? Nobody begrudges a hardworking person their just reward unless you’re a union-busting multimillionaire who never worked a day in his life and inherited every cent he has. This 1% of Americans has no right to sit on all that money that they did NOT earn.

    You’re a pathetic buttkissing rich-man wannabe. That warm “trickle” you feel on your neck ain’t money.

  49. 494

    JCH spews:

    Fire_one, A few days in the brig on bread and water might improve your attitude toward superior officers.

  50. 499

    fire_one spews:

    I am having a wonderful day. Any day I can tell a Nazi to lick my balls is a good day.

  51. 503

    JCH spews:

    43……..Bull Shit. It was Big Joe Kennedy who was the Nazi suck up. George Walker Bush was a Naval Officer during WWII, and the now President Bush flew F-106s [Delta Daggers, 350 hrs]. REV, your military service?? [I thought so. Why don’t you join your “bros” and go burn down your neighborhood, smoke some crack, and knock up some 12 year olds.]

  52. 505

    Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist spews:

    RUFUS: A thirty year old car wreck? as opposed to trading with the enemy? You’re an idiot!

    Sympathy for the Devil is a far cry from building machines of war to be used against your own coutrymen.

    I hope the bin Ladens had a nice flight out of the country after 9/11.

  53. 506

    Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist spews:

    re 46: As I recall a few Kennedys were in that conflict as well. But what’s all that compared to their little brother’s car wreck?

    Rufus & JCH = Dumb Righty Louts

  54. 507

    fire_one spews:

    Little Mark – Don’t be scared. The big bad boogie man is not going to blow you up. If Muslims were going to blow us up, why, the Afghanis have had nukes for some years now. And if you are scared of these guys, why don’t you secure our borders? Why don’t you inspect incoming container ships? Why is it all you do is take away toe clippers from airline passengers? Moron.

  55. 508

    fire_one spews:

    Little Mark – why don’t you shut off your daddys computer now and go do your homework.

  56. 509

    JCH spews:

    REV, If Bill Clinton was the first black President, would Teddy be the first black Senator from MASS?

  57. 510

    fire_one spews:

    And remember to take the trash out tonight, you know how it smells up the trailer when you forget…

  58. 513

    JCH spews:

    Too bad the towel heads didn’t hit the DNC Building or the NY Times Building. Then the libs on this board would be screaming for revenge!

  59. 515

    fire_one spews:

    JCH – My god, you really are a scaredy-cat. Don’t worry, we will protect you with the blood of our children. And if the Chimpanzee in Chief has his way, we will be attacking Iran shortly. We really really really need to impeach that stupid cocksucker.

  60. 517

    fire_one spews:

    JCH – What the fuck do you know about anything. After my 24 years of military service, I don’t understandd how you weren’t fragged….

  61. 518

    RUFUS spews:

    43
    You are right about the acorn not falling far from the tree but used a bad example. Everybody knows Joe Kennedy was a known Nazi sympathizer. We all know how well the swimmer protects the American people, just ask Mary Jo Kopechne.

  62. 519

    Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist spews:

    What do you think of a family that profitted from making weapons in Germany during WWII, JCH?

    Killing our own soldiers for the almighty dollar. They are capable of any depravity — including turning against YOU, JCH!

  63. 521

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    22

    “ROger, C’mon… do you really believe that most rich people got that way through illegitmate means?”

    Let’s see … wasn’t so long ago rightys like you were bitching about how Kerry got his money (married it) or how Teresa Kerry got her money (married it) … so which is it, guy? Do you admire the Kerrys for being rich, or not?

  64. 523

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Hey MTR … is Barbara Streisand one of your heroes? How about George Soros? Jon Corzine? Maria Cantwell? Don’cha think Cantwell EARNED her money?

  65. 527

    Drivel spews:

    RR, big conflict in your wording of #87!!! You used MTR and “think” in the same sentence, the two words are mutually exclusive!!

  66. 529

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    31

    “REV AA, Why is it that blacks make up 12% of the population in America, but are 50% of the AIDs cases? Please explain!”

    JCH, why is it that white people make up 60% of the population in America, but have 98% of the money? Please explain!

  67. 530

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    47

    “44.RUFUS, Great post. Best regards, JCH”

    I see the wingys are scratching each others’ balls again.

  68. 531

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    52

    “REV, If Bill Clinton was the first black President …”

    Hey JCH can you say, “President Barak Obama”? Stand in front of a mirror and practice until it feels good.

  69. 532

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    57

    “Maybe a few years in military service would be good for you, Fire_one!”

    Didn’t do you any good.

  70. 533

    RUFUS spews:

    still don’t understand how a monkey became Chimpanzee in Chief.

    Comment by fire_one— 2/4/06 @ 4:44 pm

    Did it bother you that we had a rapist if office for 8 years. Man you donks dont understand much do you.

  71. 534

    RUFUS spews:

    “Everybody knows Joe Kennedy was a known Nazi sympathizer.”

    You mean Prescott Bush, don’t you? http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-b.....ush_Nazi_2

    Comment by Roger Rabbit— 2/4/06 @ 6:37 pm

    No I mean Joe Kennedy. You know the same guy who stole millions from stockholders through insider trading. The same guy who ran moonshine back in the 30’s. The same guy who told Chamberlin to work with Hitler. That Nazi loving Joe Kennedy.

  72. 535

    RUFUS spews:

    re 46: As I recall a few Kennedys were in that conflict as well. But what’s all that compared to their little brother’s car wreck?

    Comment by Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist— 2/4/06 @ 4:34 pm

    Yeah and GW Bush was in that conflct too, but that didnt stop your spouting your drivel. Kennedy’s = Nazi lovers.

  73. 537

    K spews:

    Is Rufus criticizing Democratics’ business ethics? What a joke.

    And regarding Nazi lovers, is he forgetting that Democrats lead the country (initially quite against the prevailing mood) into the war against them?

    Talk about buffons.

  74. 538

    RUFUS spews:

    If Iran nukes the NY Times Building or the DNC Building”

    With what?

    Comment by Roger Rabbit— 2/4/06 @ 6:31 pm

    I hoping Bill didn’t get any campaign contributions from the Iranians. If they did they have a ICBM for sure, just look at China.

  75. 539

    RUFUS spews:

    And regarding Nazi lovers, is he forgetting that Democrats lead the country (initially quite against the prevailing mood) into the war against them?

    Talk about buffons.

    Comment by K— 2/4/06 @ 7:52 pm

    Was Kennedy president in 1941? Shit you donk rewrite history on the fly now.

  76. 540

    RUFUS spews:

    Of course I can understand why it did bother you donks we had a rapist in office; you definitely don’t care about sex predators in our public schools.

  77. 542

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Doofus @ 144

    Last time I checked, the teachers were doing significantly better than I ever did as a government lawyer, dollar-wise.

    That’s because our Legislature rewards teachers for striking and punishes state employees for not striking by taking money away from non-striking state employees and giving it to striking teachers in order to pacify the teachers.

  78. 543

    Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist spews:

    re 144: RUFUS: You need to take personal responsibility for your stupidity and quit blaming it on rich public school teachers who get big salaries and play all summer. You’re just jealous.

  79. 544

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    HEY MIKE you chicken turd whatsa matter are you SCARED to tell people you’re a REPUBLICAN?!! bawk bawk bu-uhk-cluck-cluck

  80. 545

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Speaking of MIKE MCGAVICK, he’s running TV ads that talk about “responsibility” — and don’t mention he’s a Republican.

    (His ads also don’t say he made $15 million a year as Safeco’s CEO while the policyholders and shareholders got fucked.)

    I guess Mike doesn’t like the GOP label. Maybe because it’s poisonous these days. Or maybe Mike has decided he’d prefer to see his name like this:

    U.S. Senator Mike McGavick (D-WA)

  81. 546

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Despite that, I would rather have my little bunnies educated by a public school than not educated. Not everyone can afford private schools, you know. Most Democrat families can’t — something that Mike McGavick, who makes $15 million a year, probably wouldn’t comprehend.

  82. 548

    K spews:

    132- And Bush is cooperating with any investigations? New Orleans response, wire tapping, Abramoff association….and much, much more.

  83. 549

    Donnageddon spews:

    Holy Christ! RUFUS is still pushing the Foster “murder” bullshit?

    How low we have fallen, Mr. Rufus. You are deranged.

  84. 550

    K spews:

    How are communications about the Katrina prep subject to executive privilige?

    Can you say stonewall?

  85. 551

    RUFUS spews:

    Holy Christ! RUFUS is still pushing the Foster “murder” bullshit?

    How low we have fallen, Mr. Rufus. You are deranged.

    Comment by Donnageddon— 2/4/06 @ 9:27 pm

    Has more truth to it than diebold voting machines so why not. You guys can handle a little truth between your daily lies can’t you.

  86. 552

    Donnageddon spews:

    Rufus, if you have a desire to tell some truth, do so.

    But you just make an ass of yourself with that bullshit.

    You are deranged AND desperate.

  87. 553

    RUFUS spews:

    Clearly you cannot read. If teachers are moved, it is the fault of the adminstration. If there is evidence of wrong doing, get them and throw the book at them.

    Comment by K— 2/4/06 @ 9:25 pm

    It is a problem of government schools. That is why we need to open up education to choice. You donks know what freedom of choice is right, just think of killing babies. Thats it.

  88. 554

    K spews:

    Again, you hate American values. Public education is another foundational value. If you want to make another choice, it is available. If you do not like what’s happening in your schools, become involved. You like to bitch. Have you ever volunteered? Do you know who the principals are in your local schools? Have you ever actually tried to get involved to change something you do not like? Served on a committee? Given your time?

    Or is the extent of your involvement BIG LIES on open threads?

  89. 555

    Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist spews:

    Neither Rufus nor JCH even tried to refute my true assertion that part of the Bush family fortune rests on the profits that Prescott Bush DIRECTLY EARNED from slave labor in Nazi Germany. This kind of inhuman war profiteering is a BUSH FAMILY TRADITION.

    The Bush family is being sued for reparations as we speak by survivors of this Bush family holocaust slave labor profits.

  90. 556

    RUFUS spews:

    K you are a typical donk. The catholic church get caught playing musical chairs with its priests and the left wants to hang them from the highest gallows but if it is a teacher well we have a presumption of innocence we have to abide by. Typical donk bullshit.

  91. 557

    Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist spews:

    …I thought the name was, “McStankdick”, but I could be mistaken…

  92. 558

    jaybo spews:

    The “Administrative Wing” of Al Qaeda.

    Terrorist Seeks To Get Off the Hook Due To NSA Surveillance
    by Jay on 02-04-06 @ 5:53 pm

    Why does the ACLU seek FOIA file on the NSA Surveillance program? Perhaps this can shed a little light on the subject.

    Back in December, Iyman Faris, the only named American target of the National Security Agency’s secret warrantless wiretap program announced his consideration of a lawsuit against the president of the United States. To accomplish this goal, his lawyer David Smith issued an all points bulletin for civil liberties attorneys and constitutional scholars interested in taking up his client’s case.
    The offer comes at a time of concern among civil liberties attorneys, who worry that the courts may never get a chance to adjudicate the legality of President Bush’s secret wiretap program. “Courts don’t like to hear hypothetical matters,” said Barry Steinhardt, director of the ACLU’s Technology and Liberty program, who has been preparing for a court battle. “There has to be a real plaintiff with a real injury.
    Despite Faris’ admitted guilt, civil libertarians were chomping at the bit to get him off the hook.
    In many ways, Faris is not an ideal plaintiff for attorneys who hope to focus their case on whether the president abused his authority by spying on innocent Americans. Faris’ guilt is widely acknowledged, despite his recent claims of innocence. Among the evidence against him, prosecutors alleged that he sent a message to al-Qaida leadership in 2003 claiming that “the weather is too hot,” a signal that he could not follow through with his Brooklyn Bridge plan.
    But if civil libertarians wait for the perfect case, they may have to forgo a legal challenge altogether. The targets of the secret NSA program are classified, and barring additional leaks, it is unclear how innocent American citizens would discover that they have been monitored. “The reality is that the people in Fourth Amendment cases are rarely the people you would invite over to dinner,” said Chris Hoofnagle, senior counsel to the Electronic Privacy Information Center.
    The ACLU’s Steinhardt said he welcomed a phone call from Smith. “A likely route to this challenge is in the context of a criminal case,” he said.
    So it is no suprise that yesterday, Faris’ lawyer asked a Federal judge to throw out his case due to the fact that he was spied on.
    Iyman Faris’ challenge is among the first to seek evidence of warrantless electronic eavesdropping by the National Security Agency, a practice that began after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. Government officials have reportedly credited the practice with uncovering Faris’ terrorist plot and several others.
    A motion filed by Faris’ attorney David Smith in U.S. District Court in Alexandria, Va., argues that investigators improperly obtained evidence against Faris and that his trial lawyer was ineffective.
    Given the likelihood that Faris’ phone conversations or e-mails had been electronically monitored, Faris’ trial lawyer, Frederick Sinclair, should have asked for evidence of such surveillance, Smith said in the motion.
    Nevermind the fact that Faris pleaded guilty to conspiracy and aiding and abetting terrorism, he is now backtracking on that. He now says his guilty plea was false.
    And there are others trying to get their terror convictions overturned.
    A lawyer for Ali al-Timimi, an Islamic scholar in northern Virginia serving a life sentence for exhorting followers to fight U.S. troops, has said he plans to challenge his case based on NSA involvement. So has an attorney for Adham Amin Hassoun, a Lebanese-born Palestinian living in Florida who is charged with being part of a cell dedicated to supporting violent Muslim extremists.
    http://stoptheaclu.com/archive.....veillance/

  93. 559

    Daddy Love spews:

    Mark, mark, and JCH

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01453.html
    A major U.S. intelligence review has projected that Iran is about a decade away from manufacturing the key ingredient for a nuclear weapon, roughly doubling the previous estimate of five years, according to government sources with firsthand knowledge of the new analysis…The carefully hedged assessments, which represent consensus among U.S. intelligence agencies, contrast with forceful public statements by the White House.

  94. 560

    Daddy Love spews:

    Of course, those “forceful public statements by the White House” are otherwise known as LIES.

  95. 561

    Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist spews:

    George W. Bush went to college on money his family earned off of slave labor from the holocaust. They owe reparations and a public apology.

    This whole family is a criminal , anti-American crime syndicate.

  96. 563

    RUFUS spews:

    Oh yeah and there is evidence that Foster was murdered so that make Cliton and rapist and a murderer. Hehehehe

  97. 564

    K spews:

    Accused sex predators should be given a fair trial. Those convicted should serve the sentences established under the law. It is entirely reasonable for a union to insist it’s members get a fair trail and, if acquitted, are allowed to move on. “Repeated warning signs” is more likely an administration issue then a union issue.

    To say Democrats protect sex predators is a BIG LIE.

  98. 565

    K spews:

    FOSTER murder- BIG LIE.

    If Ken Starr and his years and millions wasted couldn’t prove it, it didn’t happen.

    BIG LIAR

  99. 566

    K spews:

    RUFUS at 119- Why do you hate American justice? Presumption of innocence is a foundational value.

    As a Catholic, with relatives in the priesthood, I am disgusted by what they ADMIT they have done. Those admissions remove the presumption of innocence.

    But you do have a problem distinguishing facts from figments of your twisted imagination

  100. 568

    RUFUS spews:

    FOSTER murder- BIG LIE.

    If Ken Starr and his years and millions wasted couldn’t prove it, it didn’t happen.

    BIG LIAR

    Comment by K— 2/4/06 @ 9:12 pm

    Still haven’t explained how he shot himself on the left side of his head when he right handed. Do you know how that could happen ?

  101. 569

    K spews:

    And you still haven’t explained why Ken Starr found nothing. I do not give any credence to anything you bring to this conversation.

  102. 570

    K spews:

    You had the House, the Senate and Ken “the Inquisitor” Starr after this and they found nothing. Give it up. Find another BIG LIE to carry on about.

  103. 571

    RUFUS spews:

    K how do you explain teachers who have moved not once or twice but three times after allegations of sexual misconduct. Oh wait I forgot, that would be profiling. Hehehehe

  104. 573

    RUFUS spews:

    129

    Clinton never obstructed justice. He went along with the investigation. He would never lie would he….. oh never mind.

  105. 574

    K spews:

    Clearly you cannot read. If teachers are moved, it is the fault of the adminstration. If there is evidence of wrong doing, get them and throw the book at them.

  106. 575

    RUFUS spews:

    Government schools are run by buecrats who suck up most of who suck up most of the money before it even gets to the teacher.

    As you can see I went to public school.

  107. 576

    K spews:

    Government schools are run by citizen school boards. Ever been to a board meeting? Ever tried to run for office?

    Easier to BIG LIE.

  108. 577

    RUFUS spews:

    Again, you hate American values. Public education is another foundational value. If you want to make another choice, it is available. If you do not like what’s happening in your schools,become involved. You like to bitch. Have you ever volunteered? Do you know who the principals are in your local schools? Have you ever actually tried to get involved to change something you do not like? Served on a committee? Given your time?

    How about if you dont like the school your child is in you can change schools. How about having more schools to choose from. How about the schools run by people not government. How about changing the system. Why are you lefties against freedom of choice in where to send your child? Why should poor people get taxed for failing schools and have no other choice on where to send their child?

  109. 578

    RUFUS spews:

    Government schools are run by citizen school boards. Ever been to a board meeting? Ever tried to run for office?

    Easier to BIG LIE.

    Comment by K— 2/4/06 @ 9:41 pm

    Government schools are run by buecrats who suck up most of who suck up most of the money before it even gets to the teacher. Seattle public schools spend almost 10k per child which doesnt even cover building maintenance and improvements. The private schools do a far better job educating children at a far less cost and they also supply the building. Nuff said

  110. 579

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wow! This thread already has 100 posts! That’s more than Stefan’s pathetic little blog gets in a whole month.

  111. 580

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    64

    “Fire_one, A few days in the brig on bread and water might improve your attitude toward superior officers.”

    What makes you think officers are superior?

  112. 581

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    91

    “RR, big conflict in your wording of #87!!! You used MTR and “think” in the same sentence, the two words are mutually exclusive!!”

    How right you are!!! I made a booo-booo!!! My bad!!!! :(

  113. 582

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    59

    “I still don’t understand how a monkey became Chimpanzee in Chief.”

    By sucking farts out of the asses of all the other monkeys on Monkey Island.

  114. 583

    Drivel spews:

    JCH you are absolutely right on one point in comment #158. Atlas has shrugged. And shit on your wimpy shoulders. Try preparation H, they tell me it will help with your inflamed rectum.