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Wednesday Morning Open Thread: December 1

by Carl Ballard — Wednesday, 12/1/21, 7:59 am

I have no idea if a $3.5 million settlement is correct for the Charleena Lyles case. It seems like a poor substitute to having her around. And I can’t imagine how difficult it would be for her children who were there. My goodness.

But given that the police killed her, a large settlement is in order. I have trouble wrapping my mind around any large amounts of money.

Anyway, please wash your hands right now. And get vaccinated if you haven’t yet.

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  1. 1

    RedReformed spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 9:00 am

    Why do we care what they say at the abortion case? What matters is how they rule next year. Given this set of judges, if they are going to overturn it, Mississippi could read the product reviews from Amazon for an hour and the judges would over turn it. Nothing anyone says matters.

  2. 2

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 9:21 am

    Why do we care what they say at the abortion case?

    Because Sotomayor just came out publicly as inhuman.

  3. 3

    Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 9:24 am

    Add the $3.5 million settlement to the $1 or $2 million the city already spent on the first trial and the appeal that they lost. Then ask yourself if Pete Holmes, a bankruptcy attorney, was really “representing the people of Seattle”, or just the SPD when he decided to fight this lawsuit.

    Raise your taxes. Settle the suits. And fix your fucked up police department.

    P.S. You don’t need robot drones or MRAPs to prevent a death like this. You need batteries and accountability.

  4. 4

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 9:25 am

    Sotomayor, to every expectant mother:

    “You know, that clump of cells kicking you from inside doesn’t mean it’s a living being or anything.”

  5. 5

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 9:25 am

    Sotomayor just left a big, steaming dump on the Vatican floor.

  6. 6

    Newt Hoenikker spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 9:31 am

    @5

    Like you really care. You champion death every chance you get.

  7. 7

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 9:32 am

    @ 3

    You need batteries and accountability.

    And a firearm.

    Taser Effectiveness
    Axon CEO Rick Smith claimed in 2015 that Tasers were “80 to 95% effective in the field.” Data from some of the biggest departments in the country show a much lower range than that. It’s important to note that every police department has its own way of tracking and defining effectiveness, and for this reason, their data are not directly comparable. Also, the time period of the data varies among departments.
    POLICE DEPARTMENT
    EFFECTIVENESS RATE
    Atlanta 67.8%
    Charlotte-Mecklenburg 69.7%
    Columbus 77.3%
    Dallas 68.0%
    Denver 73.6%
    El Paso 79.5%
    Fort Worth 62.4%
    Houston 73.7%
    Indianapolis 54.7%
    Los Angeles 57.1%
    New York 77.4%
    Seattle 60.6%

  8. 8

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 9:36 am

    @ 6

    You champion death every chance you get.

    And you champion black deaths every time there’s a cop involved. Otherwise, not so much.

    I’m pro-choice, within the limits of the Constitution. If this, ultimately, means that it’s permitted in some states and forbidden in others, that’s what it means.

    You want to blame someone for what will happen? Blame Hillary Clinton. Not me.

  9. 9

    Ggeeeee Money spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 9:37 am

    Not only a Pussy Grabber, but a damn liar, cheat and Fuckwad….but we already knew that and still know it, as with many fuckwad Repukes and Repuke Trolls…..change your fucking name Bob to something more accurate, like Fuckwad Troll.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/01/trump-tested-positive-covid-before-biden-debate-chief-staff-mark-meadows-book

  10. 10

    Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 9:39 am

    1,
    If every American voter expects the courts decision to be based upon politics instead of on the law, and if the questions asked by the anti-privacy majority confirm that, then people will conclude that “conservative” judges are not bound by the law.

    That’s why the oral arguments matter.

    Months from now when Roberts selects Thomas to write the majority opinion, Thomas will cherry pick a history of legal decisions affirming state’s authority to regulate, and ignore the underlying issue articulated in Griswold v Connecticut. In doing so the anti-privacy majority will camouflage the direction this leads. And that’s also why Sotomayor is asking the kinds of questions she’s asking today. To strip away as much of that camouflage as possible in advance.

    Because where it leads is straight to 1960 and empowering the “conservative” men in the Ohio state legislature to restrict birth control.

  11. 11

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 9:40 am

    Somebody should start a pool for the date of Chris Cuomo’s return to the chair on CNN.

    If CNN won’t protect women who work for it from unwanted sexual exposure by people like Toobin, why would it care to protect women it doesn’t like from targeting by people like Chris Cuomo?

  12. 12

    Newt Hoenikker spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 9:41 am

    @8 “And you champion black deaths every time there’s a cop involved.”

    This is a blatantly false statement, I’ve never champion a death based on skin color.

    “I’m pro-choice, within the limits of the Constitution.”

    So am I. However, I don’t believe the Constitution should be changed based upon one particular religious belief system. We are not a theocracy. If I’m going to blame anyone it would be the judges that seem to forget we are not a theocracy. They should know better and Hillary has nothing to do with that.

    You really are a dumbfuck.

  13. 13

    Ggeeeee Money spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 9:43 am

    Like you really care. You champion death every chance you get.

    You know what the Muslims would do….sure he cares.

  14. 14

    Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 9:44 am

    I’m pro-choice, within the limits of the Constitution.

    Which limits he will never say.

    And neither will Thomas when he writes the decision.

    Let’s not forget that Bob here is pro-choice in the sense that he supports the “choice” of his fellow mouth-breathers to decline highly effective, life saving vaccines because his completely fake “FB friends in CO” received a “bad batch”.

  15. 15

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 9:45 am

    Imagine the argument that a living, healthy Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg could have made today. What we heard today was far from it.

    Now imagine the concurring opinion that Justice Clarence Thomas will pen.

    #CrookedHillary made this possible. Think on your sins.

  16. 16

    Ggeeeee Money spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 9:46 am

    Changing the laws of abortion, based on one religious belief system, is just the beginning. – Just a stepping stone for the American Taliban. Freeedom!! Don’t Tread on Me!!!!

    Bunch of Fuckwads – Breeding will not save them!

  17. 17

    Ggeeeee Money spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 9:48 am

    Let’s not forget that Bob here is pro-choice in the sense that he supports the “choice” of his fellow mouth-breathers to decline highly effective, life saving vaccines because his completely fake “FB friends in CO” received a “bad batch”.

    Let’s also not forget that Bob here is for Freedom in the sense that he likes to have someone to compare to that is even further to his right, that makes it look like he’s for freedom.

  18. 18

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 9:49 am

    @ 14

    And neither will Thomas when he writes the decision.

    See my comment @ 15. No way will it go to Thomas. My guess is CJ Roberts leans left and AJ Alito gets the nod. Although an incredibly thoughtful, diplomatically negotiated majority opinion by the Chief Justice would really be something to remember.

    Alito.

  19. 19

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 9:51 am

    Hey, remember when y’all libbies made Martha-Ann Bomgardner cry?

    That was a mistake.

  20. 20

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 9:57 am

    The forthcoming decision will be the result of too many years of Democrat support for the likes of Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton.

  21. 21

    Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 9:59 am

    If you don’t understand the nexus between a Supreme Court decision reversing Roe and losing access to birth control then you just haven’t been paying attention.

    Reversing Roe sweeps aside the implied right to privacy that would otherwise bar a state from directly interfering with (burdening) a person’s private medical decisions reached in consultation with their physician. If states are empowered to regulate one private medical decision for arbitrary reasons then states are empowered to regulate any and all private medical decisions for arbitrary reasons.

    Reversing Roe legally undoes Griswold by definition. It would not stop with abortion. Nor even would it stop with birth control. Physician assisted suicide would obviously be included. As would trans gender medicine and sexual assignment. This is not to make a slippery slope argument. I think these kinds of restrictions are quite obviously intended ultimately. I’m sure there would be some limits to how far socially “conservative” men would go. They probably would never regulate or outlaw Viagra.

  22. 22

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 10:01 am

    Will homosexuals save abortion?

    Althouse:

    UPDATE: I listened to the entire thing. I predict stare decisis will prevail. The lawyer for the state was particularly weak in his effort to assure the Court that Roe and Casey could fall without endangering any other precedent (e.g., Obergefell). There was some effort to discover a compromise position, drawing the line somewhere other than viability, but nothing emerged.

  23. 23

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 10:05 am

    @ 21

    They probably would never regulate or outlaw Viagra.

    Um, Viagra is regulated.

    I feel your pain, QoS McHillbilly. Roe v. Wade is constitutionally indefensible, so stare decisis, except for all of those awful decisions which fortunately have been since overturned because stare decisis was ignored.

    You’re in a bind. I understand why it hurts.

  24. 24

    EvergreenRailfan spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 10:06 am

    Interesting story, Saskatchewan wants to amend their provincial constitution to eliminate a tax break for Canadian Pacific Railway. Wouldn’t be the only case of such special breaks that CP got when it was being built. The Kicker had to be Crows Nest Pass, where in exchange for Federal money, CP agreed that grain rates would be frozen at 1890s levels, forever. Repealed in the 1990s.

    https://www.trains.com/trn/news-reviews/news-wire/province-seeks-to-amend-constitution-as-a-result-of-tax-fight-with-canadian-pacific/

  25. 25

    Eleven Time Person Woman Man Camera TV Cognitive NOBLE Prize Winner in Dropping Humiliation Bombs on "FB friends in CO", Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 10:09 am

    Shorter 20:

    “As payback to women for for not letting me buy them drinks, overlooking my hair loss, or laughing at my tasteless jokes, I’m going to seize control of their bodies.”

  26. 26

    Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 10:12 am

    Roe v. Wade is constitutionally indefensible

    But you just can’t say how or why.

    It’s not a question.

    And Viagra is not arbitrarily regulated.

  27. 27

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 10:12 am

    A sufficiently woke SCOTUS knows when and when not to pull a Brown v. Board of Education.

  28. 28

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 10:14 am

    @ 25

    “…I’m going to seize control of their bodies.”

    “My body, my choice.” Unless the government wants me to vaccinate.

    We can do this all day long.

  29. 29

    Ggeeeee Money spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 10:15 am

    Hey, remember when y’all libbies made Martha-Ann Bomgardner cry?

    Who the fuck is she? I didn’t make her cry.

  30. 30

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 10:15 am

    It’s interesting, isn’t it, that so many committee chairpersons in the House of Representatives are choosing to retire.

  31. 31

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 10:26 am

    Because there’s no reason an establishmentarian would need to question the state’s approach.

    Josh Gerstein
    @joshgerstein
    ·
    2h
    Worrisome development for abortion rights advocates at #SCOTUS: Kavanaugh has no hard Qs for Mississippi lawyer Stewart. Just lay-ups.

    This argument at SCOTUS was going to happen eventually. It’s because the DNC put its thumb on the 2016 primary scale in support of #CrookedHillary that it happened today.

    Think on your sins.

  32. 32

    Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 10:27 am

    We can do this all day long.

    You can do bumper sticker slogans all day. I’ll stick with doing law.

    You can’t articulate a governmental interest in interfering with a private medical decision to terminate a 13-year-old’s pregnancy arising from rape/incest.

    It’s not a question.

    In order for the law to work, it has to be more subtle and more complex than bumper stickers. Otherwise we’d have idiots like you concluding that the ADA guarantees driver’s licenses to the legally blind.

    And whether it’s Thomas or Alito, what matters is that neither will be able to articulate a legitimate governmental interest supported in reason for granting unlimited authority to the states to arbitrarily interfere in private medical decisions.

    States have a legitimate governmental interest supported in reason for workplace safety and public health orders. It’s mind-numbingly stupid to ignore that. It’s bumper sticker stupid. We might even say it’s “Bob” stupid. It’s also you pussying out because you don’t want to admit that you support religiously based restrictions on medicine.

  33. 33

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 10:28 am

    Question for Democrats:

    How would an Associate Justice Kamala Harris have improved today’s oral arguments?

    Asking for a friend.

  34. 34

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 10:31 am

    @ 32

    You can’t articulate a governmental interest in interfering with a private medical decision to terminate a 13-year-old’s pregnancy arising from rape/incest.

    It’s not a question.

    The question arises with the interference with the transport of said minor across state lines to another state in which abortion is legal.

    ’cause that’s where we are headed. You are correct @ 21 about the slippery slope, just not in the way you think you are.

  35. 35

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 10:33 am

    @ 17

    Let’s also not forget that Bob here is for Freedom in the sense that he likes to have someone to compare to that is even further to his right, that makes it look like he’s for freedom.

    I had to do a double-take to realize this wasn’t written by QoS McHillbilly.

    Good one, Gman.

  36. 36

    RedReformed spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 10:33 am

    27 what are you implying? That the supreme Court won’t overture an abortion cuz Republicans make too much money in votes off of just promising to but never doing it?

  37. 37

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 10:41 am

    @ 36

    27 what are you implying?

    I’m implying that you should stick with How A Bill Becomes A Law until you understand it, before moving on to other things.

  38. 38

    RedReformed spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 10:52 am

    Republicans do not want people to have to get vaccinated even though it could mean those people infect and kill others yet
    they demand women to be forced to give birth against their will even if it could kill them.

  39. 39

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 10:54 am

    It’s not just All Cops who Are Bastards.

    So is First Vegetable Joe Biden’s granddaughter.

    Biden Family Christmas Stocking Photo Leaves Out Hunter Biden’s 3-Year-Old Daughter, Born Out Of Wedlock

    And in a story titled, “See the sweet tribute to Biden grandkids in White House Christmas décor,” The Today Show reported, “One display that stands out among the rest is in the State Dining Room, which encompasses the ‘Gift of Family.’ The knit stockings hanging on the mantle are a tribute to the Biden grandchildren — Naomi, 27, Finnegan, 21, Maisy, 20, Natalie, 17, and Robert Hunter Biden II, 15, and little Beau, 1.”

    One name not included among the stockings — Hunter Biden’s three-year-old daughter, Navy Jones Roberts.

    Though the youngest Biden son initially tried to deny that he was the girl’s father, or even that he’d engaged in sexual relations with her mother, as the Arkansas Democrat Gazette reported in March 2020, “A DNA test subsequently established, ‘with near scientific certainty,’ that Biden was the child’s father …”

    Shouda unloaded in her mouth, dude. That’s what they expect in strip clubs.

  40. 40

    RedReformed spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 10:55 am

    If vaccine mandates are ruled illegal and it’s perfectly fine to infect and kill other people, the rules that allow TB patients to be committed and forced to take their treatments should be removed from the books. Laws that make it a felony to knowingly infect others with HIV should also be struck down.
    Nobody can be stopped from infecting and killing others. It’s their freedom.

  41. 41

    RedReformed spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 10:56 am

    @27, 37. You didn’t answer the question. Are you afraid to answer?

  42. 42

    RedReformed spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 11:14 am

    #39. Prove to me that she wants to be, and is being shut out.

    Lunden Roberts declined to comment on her ties to Biden. “She really values her privacy,” her attorney told the Democrat-Gazette in 2019.

    Are you demanding the Biden’s publicly force a relationship on someone who doesn’t want it?

    You republicans sure are into forcing less powerful people to do things against their will. Ask republican Ex Governor Greitens about that or the republican ex speaker of the house, Dennis Hastert.

  43. 43

    Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 11:50 am

    Are you afraid to answer?

    He’s terrified.

    Because in doing so he would have to admit to feelings he can’t explain or justify. That’s why he’s responding to all of this with diversions and changing the subject.

    He probably doesn’t think that he supports religious based grounds for state laws interfering in private medical decisions. But he also doesn’t think that he’s a bigot.
    He just has all these feelings and they have to come out.

  44. 44

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 12:03 pm

    @7 Now tell us which one you’d use first, as if we don’t already know.

  45. 45

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 12:04 pm

    Look, human life is expendable. Doctors see death all the time. They learn to shrug it off, especially when they cause it. Not pointing fingers, just sayin’ …

  46. 46

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 12:05 pm

    Sobbing will become a new Republican thing, now that they’ve seen how well it worked for Kyle. (Who, by the way, was crying for himself, not the people he shot, which lines up well with Republican self-pity and victimhood.)

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/01/politics/capitol-rioter-assault-michael-fanone/index.html

  47. 47

    Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 12:07 pm

    “Epstein’s former pilot Lawrence Visoski testified this week during the trial against Ghislaine Maxwell, the convicted sex offender’s former confidant, that Trump had flown on Epstein’s plane years before his presidency.”

    Three times Republicans voted for that piece of shit. Even after Trump bragged to them on a hot mic that he had a lengthy history of violent sexual assault.

    “Aside from Trump, Visoski noted that he had also spotted political heavyweights such as former President Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew, as well as U.S. senators like John Glenn and George Mitchell on the plane. Hollywood stars including Chris Tucker and Kevin Spacey as well as violinist Itzhak Perlman were also named.”

  48. 48

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 12:12 pm

    $3.5 million is just a toll. The shootings will continue.

  49. 49

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 12:16 pm

    @42 Don’t forget to factor in the double standard. Republicans want a country where others have no rights and they have no restraints.

  50. 50

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 12:20 pm

    @34 The solution to that, of course, is to move to a blue state before she’s impregnated by her father, brother, uncle, or whoever. This kills two birds with one stone. One, she won’t have to illegally cross state lines to get an abortion. Two, she won’t need one.

  51. 51

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 12:45 pm

    Stacey Abrams is running for Georgia governor.

  52. 52

    RedReformed spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 1:47 pm

    51 Good. Hope she wins

  53. 53

    Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 2:02 pm

    52,
    It’ll help that Brian Kemp doesn’t get to count his own votes this time.

  54. 54

    RedReformed spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 3:59 pm

    Barrett said that banning abortion is not an undue burden since the woman can simply drop the baby off at an orphanage.

  55. 55

    Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 4:30 pm

    This is what Desperately Pussy Troll is so afraid of:

    https://youtu.be/VAvFfrYA2LM

    At the end of the day this is your alcoholic brother in law trying to say you can’t order wine with your dinner because he’s in recovery. White male xtian “conservatives” have a problem with women. They intend to make their problem everyone else’s problem.

  56. 56

    Ggggggeeee Money! spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 5:25 pm

    It is so understanable why Bob, the failed Doctor, wants to talk about Abortion.

    https://democraticunderground.com/10142834127

    Insurrection Day is so much less interesting. Just hugs and kisses. No Cop killings! No assaults on LEO (as Bob loves to effectionatley refer to them as).

  57. 57

    Ggggggeeee Money! spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 5:27 pm

    @55

    Amen!

    They’ve coopted the Constitution.

    That needs to be played on a billboard.

  58. 58

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 5:31 pm

    Looks like Jeffrey Clark is now tacitly conceding that he criminally conspired with Trump and others to overthrow the elected U.S. government. Innocent people don’t need to invoke the 5th Amendment.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/01/politics/jeffrey-clark-criminal-contempt-report/index.html

  59. 59

    Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 6:24 pm

    58,
    It’s been my understanding that Clark has not invoked his 5th amendment right on the record as part of sworn testimony before the hearing or before any independent judicial authority.

    That matters because nobody has a generalized right to decline to testify under oath in a judicial or quasi-judicial proceeding. Our right to decline to testify is strictly limited to questions that might be incriminating to ourselves. We may not decline to give testimony that might incriminate others. And any court may at its discretion give a limited grant of immunity for self-incriminating testimony. Clark has dodged this so far. And that’s why he is facing indictment for contempt.

    Under the law he has to appear, be sworn, and then specifically invoke for each question he or his counsel conclude would be incriminating. Then counsel for the committee can decide, on a question by question basis, whether or not to grant immunity.

  60. 60

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 6:51 pm

    @ 58

    Innocent people don’t need to invoke the 5th Amendment.

    Five of #CrookedHillary’s crew invoked the Fifth Amendment, Robinhood Dumbfuck Rabbit.

    Apparently it means that they criminally conspired with #CrookedHillary.

    Didn’t seem to concern you in 2016. Didn’t concern the DNC then, either. Which clearly was a mistake.

  61. 61

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 6:57 pm

    JUSTICE BARRETT: Would a decision in
    your favor call any of the questions — any of
    the cases, sorry, that Justice Sotomayor is
    identifying into question?
    MR. STEWART: No, Your Honor, I — I
    think for a couple reasons. First of all, I
    think the vast run of those cases, and some
    mentioned from time to time are Griswold,
    Lawrence, Obergefell, these are — these are
    cases that draw clear rules: you can’t ban
    contraception, you can’t ban intimate romantic
    relationships between consenting adults, can’t
    ban marriage of people of the same sex. Clear
    rules that have engendered strong reliance
    interests and that have not produced negative
    consequences or all the many other negative
    stare decisis considerations we pointed out,
    Your Honor.
    Also, I — I’d add none of them
    involve the purposeful termination of a human
    life.
    So those two — those two features, stare
    decisis and termination of a human life, Your
    Honor, puts all of those safely out of reach if
    the Court overrules here.

    pp24-5 of https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2021/19-1392_gfbi.pdf

    He’s right. Gays marrying doesn’t result in dead babies. Might even result in more live ones, come to think of it. Two of them might even be in the White House in 2025.

  62. 62

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 7:00 pm

    Democrats: If you overturn Roe, the Supreme Court has been politicized!

    Also Democrats: Breyer must retire right quick so our guy can nominate his replacement!

  63. 63

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 7:09 pm

    Page 43.

    JUSTICE KAVANAUGH: And as I
    understand it, you’re arguing that the
    Constitution is silent and, therefore, neutral
    on the question of abortion? In other words,
    that the Constitution is neither pro-life nor
    pro-choice on the question of abortion but
    leaves the issue for the people of the states or
    perhaps Congress to resolve in the democratic
    process
    ? Is that accurate?
    MR. STEWART: Right. We’re — we’re
    saying it’s left to the people, Your Honor.

    What a concept. Let the people decide.

  64. 64

    RedReformed spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 7:30 pm

    Greedy racist incel, you are lying and you know it. By your logic, Hillary should have been president because more people chose her than the impotent, bankrupted, twice impeached, failed reality television actor who hires prostitutes to jerk him off with rubber gloves. When a majority of Americans chose Biden to be president, the republicans tried to over throw the government.

  65. 65

    A Better Troll spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 7:35 pm

    Republicans: The blood of dead school children is a small price to pay for our freedom.

    Also Republicans: Any requirement to wear a mask during a deadly pandemic is tyranny!

  66. 66

    YLB laughing at pos vacuous troll mcdimfook teh feckless, irrelevant widbee kreepah and "sugar daddy" spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 7:42 pm

    What a concept. Let the people decide.

    Heh. Maybe the tiki torchers can take over West Virginia and “decide” to prohibit jews.

    “Liberty”, ya know..

    Let the “people” decide.. FREEDUMB!

  67. 67

    A Better Troll spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 7:48 pm

    Republicans: Schoolteachers should be required to be armed with guns!

    Also Republicans: Schoolteachers shouldn’t be allowed to teach the history of racism, slavery and inequality in America.

  68. 68

    RedReformed spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 7:50 pm

    Better troll is on a roll.

  69. 69

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 7:52 pm

    @ 64

    Twice, in one spew, The Even Bigger Fucking Moron alluded to the presidency as a popularity vote contest.

    # 1:

    Hillary should have been president because more people chose her…

    # 2

    When a majority of Americans chose Biden to be president…

    It is not. This is why @ 36, 37 I won’t answer his questions.

  70. 70

    A Better Troll spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 7:54 pm

    Republicans: Outlawing guns won’t stop gun violence.

    Also Republicans: Outlawing abortion will stop abortion.

  71. 71

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 8:04 pm

    I just read today’s SCOTUS argument. The solicitor general performed most poorly.

    The attorney for the respondent, I thought, made the best arguments from difficult material.

    AJ Kavanaugh’s questions were closest to my own perspective. It’s a states’ rights issue. Abortion prohibited in some states and permitted with nearly no restriction in others fits best with the Constitution.

    Casinos are commonly located on state lines. Abortion clinics can be, too, for the same reasons. I’m OK with package deals. I just won’t use the jetted tubs in stateline casino hotels with an abortion clinic next door.

  72. 72

    A Better Troll spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 8:05 pm

    We Republicans would drink the blood of dead schoolchildren to own the libs. Added bonus: What blood that might fall from our lips shall refresh the tree of liberty.

  73. 73

    YLB laughing at pos vacuous troll mcdimfook teh feckless, irrelevant widbee kreepah and "sugar daddy" spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 8:19 pm

    AJ Kavanaugh’s questions were closest to my own perspective. It’s a states’ rights issue.

    Beerbong didn’t take “states rights” into account when it wanted to prevent that 17 year old girl from getting an abortion.

    Because further delay was clearly unacceptable, we asked the full court of appeals to review the case. It did so, and reversed Judge Kavanaugh’s decision, ordering the government to allow Doe to have an abortion without further delay.

    That 17 year old had already gotten an ok from a TexASS judge.. Wow, those were the days before the vigilante law.

    Beerbong is an asshole.

  74. 74

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 8:22 pm

    Speaking @ 72 of uncontrolled hemorrhage:

    Tyler Pager
    @tylerpager
    ·
    52m
    News: Two more staffers are scheduled to depart VP Kamala Harris’ office

    -Vince Evans, deputy director of public engagement and intergovernmental affairs

    -Peter Velz, director of press operations

    Both are expected to take new jobs in or close to the administration

    “She had blood coming out of her….whereverPR office.”

  75. 75

    YLB laughing at pos vacuous troll mcdimfook teh feckless, irrelevant widbee kreepah and "sugar daddy" spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 8:29 pm

    Abortion prohibited in some states and permitted with nearly no restriction in others fits best with the Constitution.

    Rich “pro-life” assholes in “prohibited” states will transport their wives, mistresses, daughters etc where ever convenient for their abortion needs..

    Not so rich? Not so much..

    “Liberty” for some. The rest, too bad.. Jeebus says no..

  76. 76

    Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 8:40 pm

    61,
    After forcing your pie hole repeatedly to form the magic words “stare decisis” you failed to ascertain the concept.

    What is the legal precedent in Roe that Stewart seeks to reverse? Upon what constitutional right is the precedent based?

    It is the right, and the precedent found in Griswold. It is upon that precedent that Roe was decided. You don’t know this because for all your faithless genuflecting to “dead babies” you’ve never bothered to read either one. You’re too stupid for that. So instead your lips move silently as you dutifully read the misguided pronouncements of other “conservative” xtian white men.

    Stewart lied. He was invited to do so by Associate Justice Opus Dei. But nobody who knows the law is fooled. Sweep aside the precedent, reverse stare decisis, and the right to privacy is removed from the law. And with it goes all the other decisions that hinge upon that right. It’s not about reversing Roe. It’s about how they do it. And that is precisely how they intend to do it.

    They just said so right out in the open. You may be too dumb to understand it. But we aren’t.

  77. 77

    YLB laughing at pos vacuous troll mcdimfook teh feckless, irrelevant widbee kreepah and "sugar daddy" spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 8:51 pm

    Associate Justice Opus Dei

    Holy krap.. Nice name. Never crossed my mind that she was that way..

    Only too obvious..

  78. 78

    EvergreenRailfan spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 8:53 pm

    The aghast of Bomber Harris strikes again. Usually the Polizei and Bumdeswehr have time to disarm them, as the discovery of UXO in Germany is almost a daily occurrence. Four injured in Munich when a WWII bomb went off at a construction site On Election Day, one delayed opening a polling station in Wuppertal.

    https://www.dw.com/en/germany-wwii-bomb-explosion-injures-several-near-munich-train-station/a-59974247

  79. 79

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 9:07 pm

    @ 76

    What is the legal precedent in Roe that Stewart seeks to reverse?

    My understanding is that Casey already reversed it.

    It’s the precedent of fetal viability as the cutoff time in gestational age beyond which the life of the fetus is controlling, undue burdens excepted.

    The legal precedent is the fetal age as established in Casey. The Mississippi law will reduce that to 15 weeks.

    Has nothing to do with the right to privacy. Has to do with the pregnancy stage beyond which “privacy” will no longer include the right to kill an unborn fetus under cover of law.

    It’s the MS law’s constitutionality that is being argued, but what is being asked for by the state is that there be no gestational date.

    The Court can always uphold the MS law as constitutional, setting the pregnancy stage at 15 weeks for MS, and go no further. It’s an option.

    It’s also an invitation, but that can be punted.

  80. 80

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 9:27 pm

    @ 76, 79

    “Our consideration is limited to the present circumstances.” is not something we will likely see.

    15 weeks does the least damage, given the inherent problems with Casey and Roe to begin with. Unfortunately, it also sucks for a lot ofsome women in MS.

    The rebuttal did make a reasonable point. An abortion in MS runs $600, minimum, plus travel and accommodations, etc. Contraception is cheaper. Even though it infringes on “liberty”.

    OK, that last sentence is mine, not his.

    I really did read the whole thing. Not clear on Alito, and Gorsuch had little to say, but I think I understand the others.

    5-4 to overturn. Alito opinion. Thomas, Kavanaugh concurrences. Three-four dissenting opinions.

  81. 81

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 9:31 pm

    Desperate to avoid blame, Kamala shifts it to the black chick.

  82. 82

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 9:45 pm

    It wasn’t even a real cold sore.

  83. 83

    Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Wednesday, 12/1/21 at 10:44 pm

    79,
    Bzzzzt. You are wrong again and still and forever.

    You didn’t articulate the constitutional right.
    You articulated one state interest. You don’t even understand the difference.

    Remember earlier when I mocked your stupidity because you’d moronically conclude that the ADA forces states to grant driver’s licenses to the blind? There you managed to see the right. But you failed to see the governmental interest.

    The constitutional right cited in Roe is the implied right to privacy held in Griswold. Without a right there is no case. Something must be at stake for the Court to hear such a case. Think about it.
    “fetal viability as the cutoff time in gestational age beyond which the life of the fetus is controlling” describes a balancing test. Balancing against what? Controlling against what? Burdening what?

    Individual privacy.

    Have you really allowed yourself to be this bamboozled?
    Or are you just letting Jesus take the wheel?

  84. 84

    Ggggggeeee Money! spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 2:47 am

    You are wrong again and still and forever.

    And he cheers for really bad things to happen at the expense of America. He isn’t American. He’s a traitor. He’s a fucking Nazi.

  85. 85

    RedReformed spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 5:35 am

    Ethan Crumbley was the Oxford High shooter. There is a photo.
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/01/us/michigan-oxford-high-school-shooting-wednesday/index.html

    Two separate videos were recovered from the suspected shooter’s cellphone in which he talked about shooting and killing students the next day at Oxford High School.
    In addition to the cellphone, a journal was recovered from Crumbley’s backpack detailing his “desire to shoot up the school,” Willis said.

    Crumbley began firing outside the bathroom, prosecutor Marc Keast said. After students started running away, he proceeded down the hallway at a “methodical pace” and shot inside classrooms and at students who hadn’t escaped, Keast said.
    The video shows Crumbley “methodically and deliberately” walking the hallways, aiming a gun at students and firing, Keast said.
    Video from the school shows the assailant was “shooting people at close range — oftentimes toward the head or chest,”

    When deputies arrived, he set down the gun and surrendered, authorities said.

    What could have mitigated this? Mental Health treatment? Given how quickly he and his family lawyered up, expect the family would have rejected it in the name of FREEDOM!
    Gun regulations? how do you make the parents do the right thing and secure their guns.
    Hope the parent and the shooter go to jail for a long time.

    Wonder if Tucker and Gaetz will rally around him? Will he also become a conservatives celebrity?

  86. 86

    RedReformed spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 6:23 am

    What is Susan Collin’s forrowed level today?

  87. 87

    RedReformed spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 7:03 am

    86. …Forrowed brow.level …
    Yeesh

  88. 88

    Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 7:08 am

    86,
    Not as deep as it will be next June.

    When the decision is announced it’s going to immediately have a massive impact on the mid term elections. The plans of swing district Republicans to make their races about inflation and CRT will be swept aside as dozens of Republican controlled state legislatures are called into special session to enact abortion bans.

  89. 89

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 7:15 am

    @ 86, 87

    Furrowed. Not forrowed.

    Yeesh, indeed.

  90. 90

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 7:20 am

    @ 88

    When the decision is announced it’s going to immediately have a massive impact on the mid term elections.

    It won’t.

    32% of Americans want abortion without restrictions. It’s a safe bet that those Americans overwhelmingly already vote Democrat.

    The others either oppose abortion and are pleased with yesterday’s arguments, or are somewhere near Daniel Patrick Moynihan in their feelings about it.

    Abortion will still be legal, even in Mississippi, if the law is upheld.

    QoS McHillbilly, it’s a massive forthcoming decision for you. For the vast majority of Americans, the economy is what counts.

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/1576/Abortion.aspx

    32%. In 1992 it was 34%.

  91. 91

    Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 7:22 am

    85,
    Some of the evidence indicates the gun-humper parents purchased the gun with the purpose of supplying it to the boy.

    They were exercising their freedom.

  92. 92

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 7:27 am

    @ 83

    The constitutional right cited in Roe is the implied right to privacy held in Griswold.

    Read yesterday’s arguments by petitioner and SG. They didn’t come down on privacy. They came down on multiple implications, most strongly liberty as protected by 14A.

    Maybe dispense with what you learned from one instructor when you were a 1L, Turow, and read the arguments.

    There’s still an implied right to kill the unborn under protection of privacy in the Mississippi law. Right up until the end of the 15th week.

  93. 93

    Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 7:41 am

    The others either oppose abortion and are pleased with yesterday’s arguments,

    Aside from the fact that there is no data to support this conclusion that you long for, when it comes to the mid term elections in swing districts what matters is how swing voters in those districts feel about abortions and how the campaigns in those districts address those feelings. Because they know “the vast majority of Americans” will not decide their suburban district elections. White women between the ages of 30 and 50 will.

    The restrictions proposed in Mississippi would establish an arbitrary gestational period. Most voters who have not thought deeply about the issue for the last four or five decades might be unmoved by that. But the Mississippi law would also ban abortions in cases involving rape, incest, and young children. That’s going to get noticed, especially by women, since pretty much every woman you know has either been raped or has a close friend who has.

    Because this is America.

  94. 94

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 7:43 am

    Two more people have spontaneously aborted from Team Kamala.

  95. 95

    RedReformed spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 7:45 am

    92. Thats a new spin. Liberty? The government has the right to take liberty of a woman and force her to give birth?

  96. 96

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 7:48 am

    @ 93

    Not quite.

    (b) Except in a medical emergency or in the case of a severe fetal abnormality, a person shall not intentionally or knowingly perform, induce, or attempt to perform or induce an abortion of an unborn human being if the probable gestational age of the unborn human being has been determined to be greater than fifteen (15) weeks.

    and

    (j) “Medical emergency” means a condition in which, on the basis of the physician’s good faith clinical judgment…

    Same “out” as always.

  97. 97

    Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 7:54 am

    92,
    This is sophistry. It’s “just so” reasoning incapable of persuading.

    It makes a lot of sense not to lean too hard on Griswold under these circumstances, since that’s precisely what no fewer than four of the nine have gone on record to say they’d like to see removed from the law. But also you have to read Griswold, because the reasoning in that decision is rooted in the same arguments and the same amendments.

    There’s still an implied right to kill the unborn under protection of privacy in the Mississippi law.
    What’s protected in the Mississippi law isn’t what’s at stake. What’s protected in the constitution is. A “right” that may be burdened arbitrarily is no right at all. A constitution that places no limits on how a state may violate a right does not protect that right.

  98. 98

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 7:57 am

    @ 95

    Am I the only one who finds The Even Bigger Fucking Moron‘s perpetual grade-school approach to EVERYTHING rather tiresome?

    Liberty is a new spin in that it has only been around since, oh, the signing of The Declaration of Independence, The Even Bigger Fucking Moron.

    Liberty is what your side pointed to yesterday. There’s nothing “new spin” about it.

  99. 99

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 7:58 am

    @ 97

    Arbitrary is the argument against 24 weeks, QoS McHillbilly.

  100. 100

    Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 8:12 am

    99,
    Go down that road and you will be faced with a binary choice that is unfavorable to womb worshipers.

    That’s largely why this tip toeing up to the line with hallway widths and calendars is so politically fraught. Regular folks don’t think, know, or maybe even care, including probably most women. But what almost all women do know is that they don’t want men mansplaining to them about their own bodies and dictating their private decisions about their bodies, and that includes fucking with or without a condom or a diaphragm.

    Roe is a compromise. Casey is a subtle modification of that compromise. T2 was a compromise. The fetal viability standard is a compromise. If you discard that compromise you discard the right that it seeks to protect. You get a binary choice between no implied right to privacy in the constitution or unlimited and unrestricted abortion. I don’t think most people want either of those two outcomes. However, forcing a choice between those two outcomes, which is what “conservative” xtians are doing, will lead most women to choose the later.

  101. 101

    Eleven Time Person Woman Man Camera TV Cognitive NOBLE Prize Winner in Dropping Humiliation Bombs on "FB friends in CO" and "Shipspotters" Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 8:15 am

    Am I the only one who finds The Even Bigger Fucking Moron‘s perpetual grade-school approach to EVERYTHING rather tiresome?

    Now do your “unlubricated barebacking” bit. That one kills.
    Then you can close with fake “FB friends in CO”.

  102. 102

    RedReformed spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 8:38 am

    After Abortion is no longer the law of the land. Birth control. Pornography. Marriage equality.

  103. 103

    Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 8:42 am

    You know, it’s almost funny. If you look at the voter file data out of VA and elsewhere it’s very clear that Republicans clawed back a lot of ground with suburban women, white women in particular, but also women of color. And the panel responses all indicated that it was the focus on public schools that made the difference.

    Now, the way that worked made it clear to me at least, that there was potential for some campaigns to fuck that strategy up. Youngkin was tailor made for it. And he and his campaign handled the messaging perfectly while in contrast VA Democrats did everything possible to fuck up their response. But I think skilled Republican candidates and their campaigns really could have counted on that fucked up response from most Democrats.

    The last two years have left most school aged parents deeply frustrated with their public schools. Perpetually under resourced and with a White House and many state governments that were committed to their failure, public schools could not adjust to the pandemic without plenty of failure. And because of the pandemic most of that failure was taking place right in front of parents in their dining rooms.

    With public education, public school unions and teachers closely associated with Democrats this creates an “outsider” opportunity for Republican candidates and campaigns. And it’s an opportunity laser focused on the demographic they most need to win back in order to win elections. Voting age women.

    Now, thanks to an unrepresentative base minority in their party pushing a largely dead agenda, they are poised to throw that opportunity away. Dr. Oz gets to answer questions about abortion, to which there can be no “good” answers. And it’s unlikely that social media misinformation peddling can come to their rescue in the case of abortion. Meme wars over doctored fetal photos driving extremism will not serve these candidates or their campaigns. And in a “conservative” political ecosystem addicted to clickbait and grift it will be impossible to avoid that extremism.

  104. 104

    Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 8:48 am

    102,
    Birth control almost certainly.

    But the other two probably not. Marriage equality is rooted directly in Equal Protection. And of course porn is rooted in freedom of expression.

    The effect of overturning Roe will be more narrow and specific. And where “conservative” xtian male state lawmakers are concerned, I expect they will focus their new found authority over people’s bodies on the bodies they hate the most. Women for sure. But also trans.

  105. 105

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 9:00 am

    More than a little funny to see Democrats begin to call for a suspension of the gas tax.

    This is necessary due to the suspension of pipeline construction.

    And because the SPR release was a silly gimmick that did nothing to help lower gasoline prices.

  106. 106

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 9:04 am

    Marriage equality doesn’t involve the purposeful termination of life.

    It also has majority – and growing – public support.

    It is a silly comparison although admittedly I have never been legally forbidden to marry. I appreciate the angst despite believing it misplaced.

  107. 107

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 9:06 am

    Birth control already limited in some states. As is abortion.

  108. 108

    Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 9:09 am

    Marriage equality doesn’t involve the purposeful termination of life.

    Capital punishment does.

    Discuss which constitutional “right” is implicated.

  109. 109

    Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 9:18 am

    107,
    Let’s contrast this with Bob’s typical performance following a successful campaign by any random Republican to win a Democratic held seat on a water commission.

    Notice any difference?

    Even the incel troll recognizes the political peril this decision will entail. So he resorts to non sequitur and diversion while soft peddling the import. Fucking corn row braids are already “limited” if you buy this nonsense. Sushi is “already highly restricted”.
    So no big deal. Right?

    I get how this would work with some beer drunk dudebros sitting around at the local sports bar swapping off color jokes about “the blacks”. It gets nowhere with voting age women in swing districts. They already know far more about birth control and unwanted pregnancy than most male physicians, let alone the random Chad wearing his hat backwards.

  110. 110

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 9:33 am

    @ 109

    Second stage of grief.

    He’s gettin’ ready for The Pain.

    Meanwhile, Robinhood Dumbfuck Rabbit is looking into investments in stateline abortion clinics in the Southeast.

  111. 111

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 9:34 am

    Remain in Mexico is a thing again. Trump was right.

    The First Vegetable is weak.

  112. 112

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 9:40 am

    Nine minutes @ 109 after diverting the abortion conversation to capital punishment @ 108, QoS McHillbilly accuses me of diverting the abortion conversation.

    Nice.

  113. 113

    Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 9:43 am

    Just to be clear, the House Jan 6 committee should not hold Clark in contempt if he appears and pleads the 5th. Not only because it would be wrong under the circumstances but also because when referred the DOJ would not prosecute.

    I’m not sure why they wouldn’t already be working on a negotiated grant of limited immunity. But even short of that, getting Clark on the record stating under oath that answers to specific questions would criminally implicate him is a huge win for the committee all by itself. It means and it tells the world that the guy Trump selected to spearhead his efforts to use the DOJ to overturn the election broke the law in doing so.

    That would be a big step forward toward appointment of a Special Counsel.

  114. 114

    Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 9:54 am

    112,
    This is bad faith nonsense.

    You attempted to change the subject, as you have done consistently, by trying to shift to a discussion about “the purposeful termination of life.”

    This is you unable to respond in any other way.
    I mean, you didn’t even bother to specify human life.
    This leaves you arguing that “life” – a thing you cannot define in anything other than arbitrary terms – “begins” – another term you cannot define in anything other than arbitrary terms – at “conception” – a final thing you are also unable to define in anything other than arbitrary terms.

    The result is an ideological movement committed to establishing state authority over women’s reproduction on a purely arbitrary basis.

    It’s either about a recognized, safe, and therapeutic medical procedure or it’s about some superstitious gobbledygook about “the sanctity of life”. And if it’s about the later (and clearly at this point given all your comments that’s what you want it to be about) that “sanctity” is no less arbitrary than your concept of “life”.

    Like I said, bad faith nonsense.
    Stupid maybe. Lazy for sure. Nice? Not so much.

  115. 115

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 10:34 am

    @86 Furrowed to a flinty squint, and smelling like dead fish.

    http://handbill.us/2021/12/01/.....n-collins/

  116. 116

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 10:36 am

    @89 They need to make the virtual keyboards on phones larger.

  117. 117

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 10:46 am

    @106 “Marriage equality doesn’t involve the purposeful termination of life.”

    Your attitude toward due process and police brutality does, though.

  118. 118

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 10:48 am

    @110 “Meanwhile, Robinhood Dumbfuck Rabbit is looking into investments in stateline abortion clinics in the Southeast.”

    You thought of it first.

  119. 119

    RedReformed spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 10:50 am

    If precedent no longer matters, and the law arguments don’t matter, then the Supreme court can do what ever 5 people agree to. If the five don’t want Marriage Equality, it’s gone once some conservative lawyer reads the product reviews from Amazon for an hour and the judges would over turn it. The judges don’t care how correct the opposing arguments are.

  120. 120

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 10:51 am

    Mark Meadows is a subversive POS.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/02/politics/mark-meadows-election-fraud-liaison/index.html

  121. 121

    Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 11:18 am

    119,
    Yes, I agree that ideologically this court could soon overturn Obergfell. I think there are four justices who would like to do so. But they’d have to win over both Roberts and Gorsuch to do so. So any shift of position along those lines would probably require a change in the current makeup of the court, as opposed to any change in the law.

  122. 122

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 11:44 am

    If Kamala was sincere that last sentence wouldn’t have been needed.

    Christopher Cadelago
    @ccadelago
    ·
    34m
    “I love Symone,”
    @VP
    Harris told us in response to question about
    @SymoneSanders46
    leaving at year’s end.

    “I can’t wait to see what she will do next. I know that it’s been three years jumping on and off planes, going around the country …

    And I mean that sincerely,” Harris adds

    Nobody treats a liberal woman more viciously than another liberal woman.

  123. 123

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 11:51 am

    Well, she couldn’t very well choose fake Indian. Liz Warren already cornered the market on that lie.

    Noam Blum
    @neontaster
    ·
    42m
    I just checked and every year except for 2020 and 2021, Harris wished a happy Hanukkah to “those celebrating” it. Then last year it became “we celebrate.”
    Quote Tweet
    Kamala Harris
    @KamalaHarris

    United States government official
    · 48m
    Hanukkah is one of our family’s favorite holidays, and every year, our family—like so many around the world—gathers to reflect on the lessons of the Hanukkah story.

    The power of the people, the belief that, even in despair, there is hope, that even in darkness, there is light.

    So fake Jew it is for Kamala.

  124. 124

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 11:59 am

    @ 100

    Roe is a compromise. Casey is a subtle modification of that compromise. T2 was a compromise. The fetal viability standard is a compromise. If you discard that compromise you discard the right that it seeks to protect.

    15 weeks is a compromise. Isn’t it.

  125. 125

    Eleven Time Person Woman Man Camera TV Cognitive NOBLE Prize Winner in Dropping Humiliation Bombs on "FB friends in CO" and "Shipspotters" Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 12:02 pm

    122, 123,
    Just trying to work out how many of Vice President Harris’ staff have been asked to resign because they beat the shit out of some girls they were fucking or slipped some RU486 into their Ovaltine?

    Asking for Jason Miller.

    Is this your example of “non-grade school approach”?
    Asking for an HA Hero.

  126. 126

    Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 12:07 pm

    15 weeks is a compromise. Isn’t it.

    15 weeks is as arbitrary as your definition of “life” or the “sanctity” thereof. Just ask any one of the likely hundreds of unvaccinated people who contracted COVID after encountering the vaccine disinformation you eagerly spread.

    15 weeks can just as easily be 15 hours, once the right articulated in Griswold is swept aside. And adopting an arbitrary standard does just that.

  127. 127

    Vicious Troll spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 12:08 pm

    @ 125

    Why defend her staff? Shouldn’t you be defending Harris?

  128. 128

    Chris Cuomo spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 12:30 pm

    Does anyone know where, a greasy wop bastard like me can find a job spewing liberal progressive bullshit and criticizing and belittling decent people?

  129. 129

    Eleven Time Person Woman Man Camera TV Cognitive NOBLE Prize Winner in Dropping Humiliation Bombs on "FB friends in CO", Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 12:35 pm

    127,
    Who’s defending anyone?

    Bosses fire people. For all kinds of reasons. Some good. Some…

    …not so good.

    Failure can be measured in all kinds of ways.
    It can be measured in terms of people whose personal ambitions surpass their loyalty.
    It can be measured in terms of the kinds of personal character failures that have historically defined the last two Republican administrations, whether in the form of black eyes or “otter smooth 9 inches, uncut”.
    And it can be measured in terms of the kind of personal weakness that leads to early career burnout and a life devoted to debating day trading strategies and mirthful mocking of dead children.

  130. 130

    Eleven Time Person Woman Man Camera TV Cognitive NOBLE Prize Winner in Dropping Humiliation Bombs on "FB friends in CO", Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 12:37 pm

    Bob’s “decent people” or holding on line 2:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/01/ilhan-omar-airs-death-threat-and-presses-republicans-on-anti-muslim-hatred

  131. 131

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 1:00 pm

    If you’re gonna attack police officers, tatooing “Fuck You” on your middle finger doesn’t help keep you incognito.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fingerman-capitol-attack-justin-jersey-trump_n_61a9091ee4b025be1af50402

    This is what detectives refer to as “distinguishing marks.”

  132. 132

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 1:04 pm

    @128 Try Gateway Pundit, although they’ll like require you to modify your messaging. However, that aside, they welcome pundits of your character.

  133. 133

    RedReformed spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 1:39 pm

    The greedy racist incel routinely refers liberal women and black women as “cunts” and denegrates the appearance of black women. Would that be popular on the gateway pundit?

  134. 134

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 1:40 pm

    It’s to be expected that when a school imposes a strict moral code against premarital sex, and enforces it by punishing students who report sexual assaults, its professors will abduct and rape students.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/liberty-university-professor-charged-alleged-abduction-sexual-battery-rcna7390

  135. 135

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 1:50 pm

    Arbery killer’s GoFundMe accounts are being shut down on every platform. “Woke leftists!” his racist attorney screams.

    Boo-fucking-hooo, sayeth the rabbit sage.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fundraisers-shut-down-man-convicted-ahmaud-arbery-murder-n1285226

  136. 136

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 3:30 pm

    TheMichigan school shooter is white, alright. (Whew! Did I take a chance on that one! Can’t trust photos.) His mommy wrote to Trump thanking him for supporting gun rights (thank you for letting me carry a gun to work!) and blaming her son’s struggles in school on Common Core and … illegal immigration.

    She complained about paying a tutor because she herself can’t understand fourth-grade math. She apparently dropped her car insurance to pay for it. (Isn’t driving without insurance illegal in Michigan? Yes it is!) She complained about illegal immigrants getting free tutors and tablets. She claimed “moswt of their parents are locked up.”*

    * Statistics show American citizens are twice as likely to be incarcerated as illegal immigrants.

    What a piece of work. The best news we’ve heard today is this asswipe and her husband are likely to face criminal charges for their laissez-faire attitude about kids’ access to guns.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10268829/The-mom-accused-Oxford-High-School-shooter-penned-letter-revealing-sons-struggles.html

  137. 137

    RedReformed spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 4:03 pm

    @136 Wallowing in her victim hood. “Immigrants get everything, they get nothing! So unfair. ” Someone undeserving like an immigrant somewhere (maybe Canada) might be getting something more than they are getting. SO UNFAIR!

  138. 138

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 4:17 pm

    @137 More likely wallowing in the realization that her kid isn’t the only one facing serious jail time.

  139. 139

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 4:19 pm

    Just think, if he’d waited for a BLM protest to take his aggressions out on, he could’ve walked. His mom should’ve hired Tutor Kyle to give him pointers.

  140. 140

    EvergreenRailfan spews:

    Thursday, 12/2/21 at 9:30 pm

    139)Surprised he hasn’t asked why I haven’t said anything about the Metro bus accident today. The injuries came on the other vehicles. The bus had finished a peak tripper run, Route 102, Downtown Seattle-Renton-Fairwood and was deadheading back to base.

  141. 141

    RedReformed spews:

    Friday, 12/3/21 at 3:43 am

    DeSantis proposes a new civilian military force in Florida that he would control
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/02/politics/florida-state-guard-desantis/index.html
    St, Petersburg, Florida (CNN) Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis wants to reestablish a World War II-era civilian military force that he, not the Pentagon, would control.
    In a nod to the growing tension between Republican states and the Biden administration over the National Guard, DeSantis also said this unit, called the Florida State Guard, would be “not encumbered by the federal government.” He said this force would give him “the flexibility and the ability needed to respond to events in our state in the most effective way possible.”

    This will end well.

    Probably why he made calls for unvaccinated cops cause he’d have the most easily corrupted and loyal force available. Maybe ensure a “fair” election?

  142. 142

    Ggggggeeee Money! spews:

    Friday, 12/3/21 at 3:52 am

    A doctor who is dumber than me, that’s what fucking Bob is.

    He criticized me for relating Truvada (PrEP) as possible protection against COVID. He referred to it as silly for me to think it was a “twofer”!

    Well, the new medicines being researched are similar to HIV medicines

    “ Both Pfizer’s and Merck’s treatments are pill regimens that people take for five days after a positive Covid test. The pills prevent the virus from replicating inside the body and are broadly similar to treatments that revolutionized H.I.V. care in the 1990s.” NY Times

    So it wasn’t a stretch for me to think the way I did. Only a stretch that Bob even has a fucking brain.

  143. 143

    RedReformed spews:

    Friday, 12/3/21 at 4:08 am

    Ggggggeeee Money!, don’t bother getting upset. It lies constantly.
    The conservative vegetable will type anything, regardless if it believes it or not, if it thinks it will piss off a lib.

  144. 144

    Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Friday, 12/3/21 at 6:46 am

    Evidence of seriousness is… …claiming tweens have a constitutional right to build ghost guns.

  145. 145

    Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Friday, 12/3/21 at 7:03 am

    No Biggie!

    Here are the states where abortion would be severely restricted or banned immediately upon overturning of Roe/Casey:

    Alabama
    Arizona
    Arkansas
    Georgia
    Idaho
    Iowa
    Kentucky
    Louisiana
    Michigan
    Mississippi
    Missouri
    North Dakota
    Ohio
    Oklahoma
    South Carolina
    South Dakota
    Tennessee
    Texas
    Utah
    West Virginia
    Wisconsin

    All of these states currently have on their books either pre-Roe laws banning abortion, or post-Roe trigger laws banning abortion held in abeyance by Roe. Overturning Roe puts these laws into full effect immediately.

  146. 146

    schedule slippage again spews:

    Friday, 12/3/21 at 9:05 am

    141

    “A doctor who is dumber than me, that’s what fucking Bob is.”

    Correction scheduler-guy, nobody is dumber than you.

    and cross dressing will not save you….or pay your rent.

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