(u)SP’s HA OCD

Is it just me, or does anybody else here find Stefan’s obsession with HA a little bit creepy? Writing on David Irons’ official website (soundpolitics.org), Stefan broods about the Seattle P-I finally pinning down Irons’ on I-912, an issue of great public import:

The P-I is merely in a struggle to follow in the horseproduct-caked shoes of Seattle’s favorite left-wing fiction blog, hitting hard on a fabricated non-issue that is of interest only to the lunatic fringe.

At first I found his political man-crush oddly flattering (if unrequited)… a backhanded tip-of-the-hat to my ongoing success at helping to shape the public debate. But his OCD-like focus on all things HA is beginning to weird me out. Next thing you know, he’ll be hiring somebody to follow me.

Ah well. I guess I’ll just continue to take the high road, by focusing on hard hitting reporting and analysis, while leaving the petty sniping and personal attacks to others.


  1. 2

    Frank spews:

    Careful – you two talk about each other so much the rumors are bound to start flying… it wouldn’t be quite “Romeo and Juliet”, but you’d make an interesting couple.

  2. 5

    JCH spews:

    Goldy, With a few years in the military [US military, Goldy], you could be the nexy John “Purple Heart” Kerry!!

  3. 7

    JDB spews:

    What do you expect Gold. He posts here more often than on his board. His board gets a lot fewer posts, especially since he bans almost anyone that disagrees with him. And since he is stuck either making up stuff or kvetching about non issues (Roger Rabbit, I note he still hasn’t appolgised for his rant on his public records request), he has to pay attention to you to know what is really going on. Its not like his minnions are capable of independant thought.

    What is amazing here is that Irons came out clearly against 912, and yet they are busy attacking the PI and you, Goldy. Its like somehow you evil liberal media types tricked Irons into a position. Goodness knows, they are not going to rethink their positions, even though all their leaders are (quietly) against 912, since they know the damage it will do.

    But at least give Irons and Rossi and other credit, they at least aren’t repeating the lies of the minnow and his followers. It is just a shame they won’t stand up to the wingnuts and explain to them that we are spending our transportation funds well, and that we need to make further improvements, across the state, so that we all will do better in the future. Sadly, there appears to be no leaders what-so-ever in the Republican party.

  4. 8

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    One thing you’ll never find on (u)SP or anywhere else is an answer to the Rabbit’s question: When did Stefan receive KCRE’s response to Stefan’s latest public disclosure request, and what is the postmark date on the envelope?

    You see, Stefan was bullshitting when he posted on Aug. 18 that Dean Logan “violated” the public disclosure law by not responding within 5 business days to Stefan’s request dated Aug. 10 and mailed to KCRE who knows when.

    The Rabbit called his bullshit, he’s been caught, and he knows it. Stefan is cared shitless of the 6-lb. bunny.

  5. 10

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    RCW 42.17.340(4) is where the rubber meets the road in the public records business (which I know something about, having served as a public records officer for a public agency).

    “RCW 42.17.340
    “Judicial review of agency actions.

    (4) Any person who prevails against an agency in any action in the courts seeking the right to inspect or copy any public record or the right to receive a response to a public record request within a reasonable amount of time shall be awarded all costs, including reasonable attorney fees, incurred in connection with such legal action. In addition, it shall be within the discretion of the court to award such person an amount not less than five dollars and not to exceed one hundred dollars for each day that he was denied the right to inspect or copy said public record.”

    Now, if Stefan Sharansky has been improperly denied access to King County records, the proof of that is a court order awarding him attorney fees and penalties.

    So Stefan, what is the amount of attorney fees and penalties the courts have awarded you against King County to date? Care to tell us? Are you above $0.00 yet?

    Meanwhile, Stefan urges the gullible readers of his lame blog to donate money to a “legal fund” to sue King County for public disclosure violations. Who knows, when Stefan has raised $2.75 — the price of a low end tap beer at Montlake Ale House — he might show up for a session of Drinking Liberally.

    I have a feeling it’s going to be a long wait.

  6. 11

    For the Clueless spews:

    Well whatdayaknow, the MSM has blessed Goldy with a tip of the hat.

    And the Minnow is jealous. Poor baby…. Waaaaaa… Waaaaaa….

  7. 12

    windie spews:


    I called it!

    If you go by comment count (nobody ever posts hits these days) Stefan is probably just really jealous.

    I actually think its natural for the biggest leftie and rightie blogs to talk about each other alot… They’re basicly competing for the same attention-share/mindshare.

  8. 14

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Nah, Goldy isn’t competing for the already-brain-dead. He gladly leaves those to Stefan.

  9. 16

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Just ahead of the upcoming September primary, Secretary of State Sam Reed’s office is running a misleading TV ad (at taxpayer expense) that tells Washington voters they need photo ID to vote (which is NOT the law in Washington). I heard this morning the state labor council is planning to call a press conference to demand the SOS pull this misleading and inappropriate ad. I also understanding that other groups are mobilizing to put pressure on the SOS to stop running this false ad.

  10. 17

    Wells spews:

    Mmmmmm waffles. I love waffles. Sugary waffles with sugary toppings. I vote for waffles. Give me waffles or give me death. To waffle or not to waffle; that is the question.

  11. 18


    I think they should change the laws and let you two marry

    You both spend way too much time worrying about each other.

  12. 19

    Erik spews:

    The tables now seemed to be completely turned. HA has passed up SP by such a margin that the biggest story SP can come up with is to give commentary on HA. I guess that’s how fast things can turn in the blog world. Can we now expect to see pro HA blogs and anti HA blogs rise up in Washington?

  13. 20


    The question I have for Stefan is how exactly does wanting to know where a candidate who would want to run King County stands on I-912 makes me a lunatic, or part of any fringe group?

    Irons still hasn’t addressed why he plans to vote against I-912. Is he so cowardly that he can’t stand behind his vote with an explanation of why, however little he thinks of the transportation package, he thinks less of the initiative that would kill it? Is he afraid that by actually having to explain his vote he would have to phase his position in such a way that explicitly comes out against the arguments I-912 proponents are making?

    The fact is he IS explicitly doing so, whether he wants to speak the words or not. David Irons knows we need the money and that the alternatives are not out there. He realizes that our infrastructure is in dire need of attention and that the funds are not there to address these needs. He realizes that despite the shortcomings of the legislation, the transportation package is the result of bipartisan negotiating and represents the interests of as many people as possible. He realizes that despite what people may feel about unrelated events, such as the Governor election outcome, voting for I-912 is not how we should be communicating “messages” to the legislature.

  14. 21

    JohnH spews:

    My first visit to this site- Now I know why it is called Horsesass…it is so full of horseshit! Not a thinking person among you.

  15. 22

    windie spews:

    oh good, I thought we’d scared all the trolls off.

    quick lesson in discussion:

    It goes better if you actually have a topic.

  16. 23

    JC Bob spews:

    So, what do you all think about King Ron wanting another $70,000,000 to fix the computer fiasco his minions created 5 years ago. Yes, almost twice as much money as he wasted on the first try.


    King Ron is an administrative genius! It is hard to imagine how anyone could have made such a mess of things as King Ron has.

    Yes, there is no doubt about it, you fools who elected King Ron are the horsesass.

  17. 24


    JC Bob – $70 million is indeed a lot of money. However, how much money do you think it should cost, and what do you base your figure on (assuming you have one)?

  18. 25

    My 2 cents spews:

    Re 24

    Due to extreme gross mismanagement the prevous attempt at a new system failed, essentially pissing away thirty five million dollars.

    This is a second attempt. If properly managed a new system would not be needed at this time.

  19. 26

    righton spews:

    How about same time finding the screw up (yet again) w/ the federal ballots by Deannie and his buds…

    Surely you lefties are outraged by bad government practices..??? Or do you defend blue KC and Seattle, whether in elections, unsound transit, non-o-rail,..??

  20. 27

    JDB spews:

    JC Bob @ 23

    “It is hard to imagine how anyone could have made such a mess of things as King Ron has. ”

    Oh, ye of little faith. You forget that there is always the once-selected President:


    “May 25 (Bloomberg) — The Federal Bureau of Investigation’s three-year, $170 million effort to modernize its computer system has become a case study in all that can go wrong. The bureau’s second attempt will test whether it learned from experience.

    In one college classroom, the failed bid by the bureau and its contractor, Science Applications International Corp., to make millions of investigation files accessible in the bureau’s computer system is presented as an example of a “spectacular” failure of an information-technology project.

    “They made all the classic mistakes,” said Susan Elliott Sim, an assistant professor at the Donald Bren School of Information and Computer Sciences, part of the University of California at Irvine.

    Of the $170 million the FBI spent on the project it abandoned in April, about $105 million was lost on services and equipment that can’t be reused, FBI Director Robert Mueller told a Senate appropriations subcommittee in February.”

    Trust me, set the bar on incompetence where ever you wish, and the Bush Administration will show you that it is too low.

  21. 28


    JDB – $170 million is indeed even more money.

    One common thread: software projects of this scale are expensive – period.

    Another point to made: most software projects fail.

    Final point: Ron Sims would not be the manager who would most appropriately be assigned blame for failure. While one might wish to attribute blame at the top, usually it belongs with those involved in the day to day management of the project. Government employees don’t typically have a reputation for being the cream of the crop when it comes to software and technology, deserved or not.

  22. 29

    JDB spews:

    Daniel K:

    You are very right when it comes to software projects and to where the failure belongs. And before our wingnut bretheren chime in demanding that Ron Sims fire those in charge, we should point out that, to this day, the only one fired because of 9/11 is Bill Mahre.

  23. 30

    Aexia spews:

    King county cleaning up its act is all well and good but what of the other half dozen counties revealed to have the same or even worse problems? Where are the task forces and call for resignation?

    I mean, all those Rossi voting counties with electoral problems… One could argue this is evidence of fraud by the Republicans of their attempt to steal the election contest.

  24. 31

    Roger Rabbit spews:


    “My first visit to this site- Now I know why it is called Horsesass…it is so full of horseshit! Not a thinking person among you.”

    Rest assured your arrival doesn’t change anything.

  25. 33


    JDB @ 29 – But we allow ourselves to be diverted from Dave Irons, who has yet to explain WHY he will vote against I-912 if the transportation legislation isn’t good enough.

  26. 34

    David T. spews:

    Just for the record, the original computer fiasco wasn’t during Ron Sims term anyway: Gary Locke was in charge at the time. In all fairness, however, I have seen many businesses experience the same sort of problem and I know of one company in particular that went bankrupt because of it. It is a result of too much faith being put in techies to do something correctly the first time.

  27. 35

    Roger Rabbit spews:


    Komo TV’s sage and beloved commentator, Ken Schram, is giving Preacher Pat the business today for the latter’s latest apoplectic paroxysm of putrid polemics. Schram, with his inimitable wit, says,

    “Piece of work that Pastor Pat. Sits around plotting and hoping for the death of those that he has no political use for. I’m left trying to come up with the name of that other religious guy who pretty much believes the same way. I think it’s Osama something-or-other.” http://www.komotv.com/stories/38710.htm

    Don’t know what the Fishers are paying you, Ken, but you’re worth every penny.

  28. 36

    Mark1 spews:

    Dictionary definition of incompetence= Dean “I couldn’t find my own ass with a flashlight and a mirror” Logan.


  29. 37

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Give it a rest, Mark1! Logan was brought in to clean up a department that was a mess. His predecessor was fired. Logan is a bona fide elections expert with years of experience in the field who was an elected county auditor before spending several years working in the Secretary of State’s elections division. He was recruited from the SOS to run KCRE precisely because of his second-to-none expertise in Washington election laws and administration. Unfortunately, Dean’s management skills do not match his technical knowledge. I’ve been saying for months that King County needs to hire a good head-cracker — e.g., a retired Marine colonel — who knows how to make things happen and get people to follow the instructions they’re given. Doesn’t have to know a damn thing about elections but needs top-drawer people and management skills. That’s the answer. Stop picking on Logan, he did the best he could, but he’s in over his head — like George W. Bush is.

  30. 38

    Roger Rabbit spews:


    Earlier in this thread @16 I posted about Secretary of State Sam Reed’s use of taxpayer money to run TV spots on behalf of the GOP under the guise of “public service announcements.” The ads, against the backdrop of an American flag, tell voters that regardless of whether you vote REPUBLICAN (loud voice-over) or democrat (barely a whisper) you MUST bring photo ID to the polls.

    That is NOT the law of Washington! It’s what the GOP wanted and couldn’t get in the Legislature. Now Sam Reed is breaking the law by imposing a photo ID requirement on voters that state law doesn’t permit, and using public money to encourage voters to vote for Republicans and to denigrate Democrats.

    This afternoon, one of my Democratic pals passed along the OSOS’s lame excuse for Reed’s law-breaking:

    “Out of deference to the strong debate that occurred in the Legislature on this issue, we are encouraging voters who have photo ID to bring it to the polls. Our office has taken the position that photo ID is preferred.

    Katie Blinn
    Assistant Director of Elections
    Office of the Secretary of State

    Well gee whiz, Katie, please tell your boss on my behalf that he has NO AUTHORITY to take “the position that photo ID is preferred” because

  31. 39

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    the law doesn’t authorize it!

    Apparently the double-speak about “deference to the strong debate that occurred in the Legislature” means that if the Democrat-controlled Legislature won’t enact the GOP’s favorite vote-suppression tactic, then the Republican Secretary of State will!

    My fellow HA bloggers, please flood Katie’s e-mail in-box with strongly (but politely) worded objections to the OSOS’s lawbreaking!

  32. 40

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Now Katie, you know good and damn well what’s going to happen — confused voters will stay home because they don’t have photo ID (lots and lots of elderly and poor people who tend to vote for Democrats), and lots and lots of poll workers — especially Republican poll workers — will turn away voters for not having photo ID, even though photo ID is NOT required!

    You people in the OSOS’s office give me the creeps. This looks like it came right out of the WSGOP’s PR mill, right down to your public statement, Katie.

  33. 41

    JDB spews:


    You need to keep quiet. If it got out that there were plenty of problems in places other than King County, the minnow’s site would cease to exist. Heck, they are over there still talking about people “stealing” the election, when a judge could not find any fraud, and what little fraud we know trended in favor of Rossi.

    Zen question of the Day, if there were no false charges of election fraud, would the minnow exist?

  34. 42

    NoWonder spews:

    Roger Rabbit @ 39

    ‘My fellow HA bloggers, please flood Katie’s e-mail in-box with strongly (but politely) worded objections to the OSOS’s lawbreaking!’

    You forgot to add – so that the lawbreaking by illegitimate voters can remain undetected!!!!

    Vote absentee, request provisional, and remember how you signed the registration for that particular identity. No ID at the polls mean one can vote many times as long as the signatures match for each individual ballot and the respective mail-in registrations.

    I will agree that the SOS “preference” should not advertised or made to seem like law. I also think ID at the polls and for registration is a simple idea that would get rid of many voterless ballots. The old intimidation thing is ridiculous though, as is the knee-jerk reaction to anything that smells like true election reform.

  35. 43

    For the Clueless spews:


    Please post the names of the counties along with stats of the problems in the 2004, i.e. number of dead people, double-votes, felons etc.

    We need to do an apples to apples with KC on a percentage basis as well.

    With those stats in hand we can throw these at wingnut trolls like Rufus the Doofus.

  36. 44


    Give it a rest, Mark1! Logan was brought in to clean up a department that was a mess. His predecessor was fired. Logan is a bona fide elections expert with years of experience in the field who was an elected county auditor before spending several years working in the Secretary of State’s elections division.

    Come clean, Dean, we know that you’re the shitheel who’s posting here as “Roger Rabbit”

  37. 46

    bill spews:

    karl @45 Not being a driver, I neither own one nor am required to own one. Requiring one disenfrancises me, or constitutes an undeclaired poll tax.

  38. 47

    bill spews:

    BTW, Stefan, I guess you really proved roger wrong there. But then thats the type of logic we’ve all come to expect from you.

  39. 48

    Roger Rabbit spews:


    “You forgot to add – so that the lawbreaking by illegitimate voters can remain undetected!!!!”

    Bullshit — and fuck you! There is not one single documented case where a photo ID would have prevented an ineligible or fraudulent vote from being cast in the 2004 election. Most of the problems were in the absentee ballots, on which a polling place ID requirement obviously has no effect.


    “would someone mind explaining why photo ID is a bad thing?”

    It disenfranchises eligible voters. Many elderly people in nursing homes and poor people do not have driver’s licenses or other photo ID, and it may be inconvenient or very difficult for them to obtain a photo ID.

    The substitutes for photo ID allowed by Washington’s law, e.g. government checks and utility bills, are actually harder to steal or fake than a photo ID, and provide better protection aainst voting fraud than photo ID.

    However, as noted above, impersonating registered voters at the polls simply isn’t a problem. It doesn’t happen. Therefore, photo ID is a solution for a problem that doesn’t exist, and the GOP’s real reason for promoting photo ID is to discourage turnout among certain groups whot tend to vote Democratic. Democrats oppose photo ID because in the real world it doesn’t prevent voting fraud and is only a cynical tactic for reducing Democratic voter turnout.

  40. 49

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Reply to Stupid Stefan @ 44

    Three comments, Steffie Baby:

    1. I may be a lot of things, but I’m not Dean Logan.

    2. You STILL haven’t told us whether KCRE responded to your letter dated Aug. 10, or when. I take it from your silence that you know perfectly well your assertion they violated the 5-business-day rule is bullshit.

    3. Apparently you’re not too worried about your personal safety, because you not only haven’t removed your home address from your web site, you reposted it again today. http://soundpolitics.com/Logan20050714.pdf Well, that’s your business.

    4. Oh God not again — here we go again — Logan properly denied your request back in April because the records you requested didn’t exist at that time! A public agency has NO DUTY to produce or create non-existence records! Read the fucking law stupid! Tell you what, Stefan — why don’t you spend $25,000 or so of your own money to SUE Logan under RCW 42.17.340(4) and report back to us how much the judge awarded you. How much in penalties have you collected from King County, Steffie Baby? Are you still stuck at $0.00? Poor baby.

    Steffie won’t talk to Roger Rabbit because Steffie is scared shitless of a 6-lb. bunny.

  41. 50

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Geez WHO could possibly be afraid of a 6-lb bunny that can only count to three? Stefan Sharansky, Seattle’s gutless wonder, that’s who?

  42. 51

    Roger Rabbit spews:


    You’re right about Roger Rabbit being a shitheel, Steffie Baby. Shitting is what I do best, next to fucking female bunnies, and if you insist on posting your home address on your web site, I’m going to eat your garden and shit on your lawn! Watch yer step! :D

  43. 52

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Hey Stefan don’t let the door hit your ass when you’re showing your backside running away from the 6-lb. bunny!

  44. 55

    Mark1 spews:

    Stefan @ 44: Agreed. Thanks my brother! Not even these lefties can defend (legitimately)a piece of human garbage named Dean Logan. Thanks.

  45. 56

    bill spews:

    Hey stefan, you’re letting your ADD get the best of you man, the topic is you not Roger.

    focus Pinky, focus.

  46. 57

    Roger Rabbit spews:


    First time you’ve ever been right about anything, Steffie Babe. I’m not a fucking fool like you. I know you’d love to “out” me but I’m an anonymous fucking bunny & it’s gonna stay that way!

  47. 58

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Except I’m not Dean Logan and don’t have a King County IP. But hell, you’re wrong about everything else, so you might as well be wrong about this, too. The only thing you’ve gotten right so far is that I’m not so stupid as to post on your web site.

  48. 59

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Hey Steffie Baby, when did you get Logan’s response, and what’s the postmark date? Is there some reason you don’t want to tell us?


  49. 60

    NoWonder spews:

    Roger Rabbit @ 48

    ‘There is not one single documented case where a photo ID would have prevented an ineligible or fraudulent vote from being cast in the 2004 election.’

    It is hard to prove a negative, I will grant you that. Common sense would dictate that having voters prove they are real and the same person that was (hopefully) legally registered is no large burden. With almost 2000 illegal votes in the last governor’s race, many of which were ballots with no unique voters, common sense needs to prevail. Photo ID is no big deal despite your stories about nursing homes, blah, blah, blah. If someone is sane enough to register and vote they can provide whatever is required to rent a video, cash a check or collect welfare benifits.

  50. 61

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    For those of you who haven’t followed this story, Stefan posted on Thursday that Logan “violated” the public disclosure law because he didn’t respond within 5 days to Stefan’s request for a copy of a ballot envelope.

    Stefan says he e-mailed the request on Aug. 9 but under the law KCRE only has to respond to MAILED requests. Stefan also posted a copy of a letter he wrote to KCRE which he dated Aug. 10, but who knows when he mailed it.

    Giving Stefan and the post office a benefit of doubt neither of them deserves, I assumed Stefan mailed the letter on Aug. 10 and KCRE received it on Aug. 11. KCRE then had five BUSINESS days to respond, i.e., they complied with the law if a response was mailed at 5 PM on Aug. 17, which Stefan wouldn’t receive before Aug. 18 or more likely Aug. 19.

    In short, Stefan pulled the trigger before KCRE’s time was up. But that’s not surprising, inasmuch as Stefan is gaming the public disclosure law for the purpose of (a) harassing Dean Logan, (b) political grandstanding, and (c) scamming the gullible readers of his blog into contributing money to Stefan’s “legal” fund (a.k.a. Stefan’s beer fund) for the purported purpose of suing King County.

    The cute fluffy and totally harmless 6-lb. bunny also asked Stefan HOW MUCH he’s recovered so far from King County in penalties for public disclosure violations. I asked him if the total is over $0.00.

    Stefan doesn’t want to answer that question, either. Know why? Stefan is a

    B U L L S H I T T E R

    that’s why.

  51. 62

    No longer T.J. (now The Notorius P.I.E.) spews:


    Just face it, you and Stefan both go at each other like a couple of school kids with crushes. Since it was fate (and 129 ballots) which have brought the two you together (forever linked as arch-nemesis), why don’t you two just go for a romp between the sheets and see what happens?

    The sexual tention between you two is like Ice Man and Maverick. (think about that and watch Top Gun, you’ll see what a mean)

    I’m not saying you two are gay, just that you should be.

  52. 63

    Roger Rabbit spews:


    I didn’t ask anyone to prove a negative. I stated an affirmative fact — there are no known cases, not one, of illegal votes in the 2004 governor’s election that would have been prevented by a photo ID requirement. You don’t have to prove a negative, all you have to do is come up with one documented example.

  53. 64

    Roger Rabbit spews:


    Why are you still watching 1985 movies? Does watching jet fighters give you an urge to jerk off? Do you have a crush on Tom Cruise? Can’t believe you’ve got the hots for Kelly McGinnis, she’s an old hag now.

  54. 65

    No longer T.J. (now The Notorius P.I.E.) spews:

    Roger Rabbit can run the camara!!!

    Yes, I am typing all this on purpose, immediatly after my post a few threads down on using weB LOGS to restore decency to public debate.

    I am such a fan of hypocracy and irony, I just couldn’t help myself!!!

  55. 66

    bill spews:

    NoWonder @60 What part of not required to have a photo ID and don’t have one was unclear. I realize that if the current administration get what it wants that might change, but for now this is not Nazi Germany and we do not all ‘haf our papers’. Since I currently have no interest in “rent[ing] a video, cash[ing] a check (direct deposit!!) or collect[ing] welfare benifits”, I have no need to own one.

    Even if its only 10 bucks, I refuse to waste money on something I don’t need because you think someone somewhere might be cheating. Come back once you have proof and proof that me spending money would somehow have prevented that. An appeal to ‘common sense’ is neither.

    And stephens so called proof is worth than useless. First of all he is a documented liar. Second, his facts have all been presented in isolation. Until and unless you want to come back with some comparisons to other cities and counties, I really don’t think anything he has to say has any relevance.

    I have a friend who says that he can’t be a Democrat because he wants to spend his own money, and can’t be a Republican because he wants to spend it on whores.

    Its a funny joke, but really its true, Democrats are at least honest about the fact that they want to tax us, Republicans right now seem to be all about mandating how we spend our money. Photo ID is not free. Unless you are proposing to give them away free, you are mandating yet another expenditure, so much for less government.

    This dismissal of the middle is exactly why the right has lost so much popularity over the last couple of years.

  56. 67

    bill spews:

    Seems to me, that those who are fiscally conservative and socially liberal don’t have a party. Remember, elected officials are not just supposed to represent those who voted for them (think democrats) or those who paid them money for their campaigns (think republicans) but of all the people. Right now, I don’t see anyone in any party willing to pay attention to what the people want, rather, they both seem to be telling the people what they should want right now.

  57. 68

    NoWonder spews:

    bill @ 66

    ‘What part of not required to have a photo ID and don’t have one was unclear.’

    I was actually responding to silly wabbit. I do like your line –
    ‘I refuse to waste money on something I don’t need because you think someone somewhere might be cheating..’
    I feel the same way about most taxes. I actually would not want you spend money on a simple ID unless it became law, which in this state would mean lefties approve. I am not holding my breath. My main point is that it is very easy to register and then vote, and have your vote counted, without really being the person listed on the ballot. And then repeat as desired. All reforms, regardless of topic involve compromises from at least some of the people. I tend towards libertarian and understand your concerns, yet your complaints are noise-level as compared to other intrusions in the name of healh care “reform”, etc.

    The only easy way to prove how easy the fraud in voting can be would be to do something illegal. I think there are many documented cases in the last election where voting at polls and requiring ID would have cut the number of voterless ballots by a significant amount.

    I also chuckled at your “in-the-middle” rendition of dems represent their voters and repubs only the contributors. If you do not think the dems pay back for contributions ten-fold as well your are sleeping.

  58. 69

    No longer T.J. (now The Notorius P.I.E.) spews:

    Bill @ 70;

    Since Democrats are so honest about wanting to tax, please inform me which of the Dems in the State Legislature ran around there district in November saying that a 10 cent gas tax was the solution to transportation. Even better, where on the Gregoire for Governor Education Roll-out (which I still have a copy of), does it say we need to fund education through sin taxes. Maybe you can fill me in on the honesty with that one.

  59. 70


    Roger Rabbit/Dean Logan — you’re a liar and an idiot.

    1) There’s nothing in the Public Disclosure Act which says that a public records request can be ignored if it is not sent in the mail. I challenge you to prove otherwise.

    2) I sent a request by e-mail on August 9 and followed up with a fax and first-class letter on August 10.

    3) I have not received any response to the above.

  60. 71

    The Notorius P.I.E. (aka Lean Dogan) spews:

    Stefan; What makes you think Roger Rabbitt is Dean Logan?

    I always figured it was one of the 20 names that Goldy post under to make his blog look like it has some traffic.

    Besides, Dean Logan wouldn’t think to go with a totally different name.

  61. 74

    Goldy spews:

    Stefan @44,

    Come clean, Dean, we know that you�re the shitheel who�s posting here as �Roger Rabbit�

    “Shitheel.” Hmm… and yet you keep (u)SP so profanity free. Do your readers know you use foul language like that?

    Oh… what am saying… of course they do… just like you, they’re all over here at HA, having fun in the comment threads… because your blog is so godawful boring. I guess that’s why nobody posts comments over there anymore.

    Putting aside for a moment your penchant for outing people, real or imagined, do you really mean to call Dean Logan a “shitheel”…?

    Definition : An asshole; a despicable, loathesome person. someone who’s low; mean; dishonest

    Question his management skills if you like, but hurling insults like that is not going to prop up your already sagging credibility with the MSM. And you know as well as I, that when the MSM ceases to pay attention to us, we cease to exist.

  62. 75

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    No Wonder @ 68

    You remind me of the research scientist who staggered out of the lab shouting “Eureka! I found it!” and then, “Somebody invent a disease for my new cure!”

  63. 76

    Roger Rabbit spews:


    Hey Stefan, if my being Dean Logan makes you happy, then I’ll be Dean Logan. Okay? I don’t want you to get despondent and jump off a bridge.

    (1) RCW 42.17.270 — “Agencies shall honor requests received by mail for identifiable public records unless exempted by provisions of this chapter.”

    A request which an agency “shall” (i.e., must) honor has 3 elements: It must be (i) received by mail, and request (ii) an identifiable public record, which (iii) is not exempt from disclosure. These requirements are conjunctive; i.e., if any one of them is missing, the agency doesn’t have to honor the request.

    Don’t believe me? Use your “legal” (i.e., beer) fund to pay your lawyer $250 an hour to explain it to you. He’ll tell you the same thing, but dumbshits like you only listen to advice you have to pay for.

    (2) I’ll momentarily ignore the fact you’re a notorious liar and take your word for it that you mailed and faxed the letter on Aug. 10. By the terms of the statute, five (5) business days begins when KCRE “received” the request. So … when did KCRE receive your fax or letter?

    If you don’t know, you’ll probably have to find out from KCRE. You might try phoning Dean Logan and saying, “Hey Dean, this is your old buddy Stefan, listen man I really need a personal favor from you.” If that doesn’t work, you’ll have to file a public disclosure request for this information.

    (3) Stefan, if you can prove they didn’t respond in five (5) business days — SUE THE BASTARDS! And use the penalty money to buy Roger Rabbit a beer.

  64. 77

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Now that I’m Dean Logan, I’m gonna fire my ass, and hire a retired Marine colonel to run King County elections! What KCRE needs is a good head-cracker, not a nerdy wimp like me!

  65. 78

    Roger Rabbit spews:


    Stefan can call me a “shitheel” if he likes. I’ve got it coming for running such a lousy election department! Shit, he can even call me a cute fluffy bunny if he wants to — but if he tries to pick me up by my ears I’m gonna rip him a new belly button!!! :(

  66. 79

    headless lucy spews:

    Stefan’s so vain.( Or is it,paranoid?) He probably thinks THAT song is about him. I know, because someone told me about the apricot colored scarf he wears to accessorize his tin-foil hat. How KOOKY is that?!?!?

  67. 80

    NoWonder spews:

    Roger Rabbit @ 75

    ‘You remind me of the research scientist…’

    You remind me of the three monkeys, at least the two who cover their eyes and ears. Are you saying that it is not easy for one person to vote multiple ballots, have the votes counted and NOT have any means to identify that voter?

    I apologize for the similarities in presentation of my question to you and your frequent questions to Stephan, whoever that is.

  68. 82

    JDB spews:

    Boy, is the minnow having a breakdown or what. His lies are falling flat. His board is becoming a waste land because he has blocked out most of the interesting posters just because they won’t toe his line. And apparenlty even he realizes this is the one place you can go to have a real conversation. Pretty soon his blog will just consist of posts saying “Read what I posted at HA.”

    Well, the BIAW and GOP Central Comittee seemed to enjoy wasting money on a foolish election challange that only served to prove there was no fraud and that Christine Gregoire won free and clear. I guess they will continue to fund the minnows decadent life style long after his blog becomes a footnote in the big book of losers.

  69. 83


    Re Photo ID.

    I still dont see the beef. We have to show ID for a multitude of things less important the Voting.

    I dont have a problem with making sure the system has some integrity.

  70. 84

    JDB spews:

    The system has integrity, the point is, that showing a photo id wouldn’t change a single problem in the last election.

  71. 85

    JDB spews:


    Isn’t it interesting that the minnows only response to any challange is to either ban the person from his site, or to threaten to out them. Give him credit, he is consistently a small, bitter man.

  72. 86


    Isn’t it interesting that the minnows only response to any challange is to either ban the person from his site, or to threaten to out them.

    No. that’s not the response to any challenge [not “challange”]. It’s only the response in rare cases to people who hide behind the veil of anonymity so they can be chronically obnoxious and/or dishonest. Like you, “JDB”.

  73. 87

    Goldy spews:

    Gee… I dunno Stefan. I just checked out your blog… As of 6pm there were six posts and only 40 comments. (And one was from me… I make up 2.5% of your comments today… that’s almost Roger Rabbit territory.)

    Maybe you should try some sort of promotion… like a free “Revote” bumper sticker with every 20 comments?

  74. 88

    JDB spews:

    Minnow, what veil of anonymity? I list a perfectly valid email. You can write me any time and ask my identity. And I would take you seriously if you started posting the identities of all your posters. Heck, that would be an interesting feature.

    Beyond that, I ask one simple case of me being dishonest. That would be a first. Obnoxiousness is in the eye of the beholder, but I can’t remember me ever starting anything. I just gave as good as I got…, well, better, since your posters aren’t that witty. Snarky, sure, but look at your blog. If you banned everything snarky, you wouldn’t be able to post on it yourself.

    I’ll await your apology, but I’m not going to hold my breath.

  75. 89

    JDB spews:

    Roger Rabbit:

    Note how much it drives the minnow crazy if he doesn’t know who you are. What a little control freak.

  76. 90

    Harry Poon spews:

    Beyond everything that’s been said we must never lose sight of the very real fact that Stefan is a consistent loser. Name one instance where he has ultimately prevailed. You can’t . Because it hasn’t happened and never will. Republicans in WA state are particularly pathetic because they belong to a party that values WINNING at any cost as the prime directive. But their most nationally prominent figure is Jim West—which makes them not only weak and pathetic on the state level— but the subject of hilarity on a national level.