by Goldy, 08/31/2005, 8:41 AM

As many as 1,000 Shia pilgrims were crushed, asphyxiated or drowned today, in a stampede on a bridge in Baghdad that started over rumors of suicide bombers. This is the single largest loss of life in Iraq since the US invasion, and yet another tragedy to add to the numerous others.

While it may sound unfair to blame the US for this calamity, many Moslems will, just as they blame the Saudi government when similar disasters occur during the pilgrimages in Mecca and Medina. As the occupying force in Iraq it is our responsibility to maintain order and ensure public safety, a responsibility we continually fail to live up to.

Had a similar tragedy occurred in the US, there would be inquiries and commissions and possibly, prosecutions. But I’m wondering if Americans can feel outrage over a tragic loss of life that occurs in a far off land, even when it occurs under our watch?

56 Responses to “Up to 1000 dead in Baghdad stampede”

1. Libertarian spews:

Goldy,

You really should bring this topic up with someone who cares.

2. Another Lawyer spews:

Librarian @ 1,…
You scroll down your list of bookmarked sites to HA because you DON’T care what Goldy has to say?

I think not.

That you don’t care about human suffering or ill-conceived US foreign policy? THAT I can believe. Hooray for us!

My resolve to not read this blog’s posted comments has obviously slipped. Blood pressure rising. Argh!

3. Goldy spews:

Libertarian @1,

I care. And that is all the reason I need to write on any subject.

4. Libertarian spews:

Goldy and Another Lawyer – You guys have me confused with someone who gives a s***.

5. drool spews:

They’re all in paradise. No worries.

6. Another TJ spews:

It never fails to amuse me when libertarians try to tell others how to live their lives.

7. Libertarian spews:

Hey Another TJ – Who’s telling who how to live their lives? All I said is that I just don’t care!

8. Karmalyzed spews:

Of course we care, but how is this our fault? Are the sandstorms our fault, too?

9. Roger Rabbit spews:

“Had a similar tragedy occurred in the US …”

… the Wingys would blame it on Clinton.

10. Another TJ spews:

Hey Another TJ – Who’s telling who how to live their lives?

You are telling Goldy how to live his life.

All I said is that I just don’t care!

Incorrect. Please read your first statement again.

You really should bring this topic up with someone who cares.

That is a clear expression of what you believe Goldy “should” do.

11. Roger Rabbit spews:

“All I said is that I just don’t care! Comment by Libertarian”

That’s the difference between Democrats and right-wing assholes like you. Couldn’t have expressed it better myself.

12. Roger Rabbit spews:

So Libertarian, why do you come to a liberal blog and post that you’re an unfeeling, uncaring jerk? What’s your fucking point? Why do you do that? Sounds like you have too much time on your hands and need to look for a job.

13. prr spews:

It’s just a damn shame that Rabbit does not live in New orleans…

14. Felix Fermin spews:

Any person who expresses indifference at the news of one thousand humans dead … well, it just isn’t human.

Roger @ #11 … I think that is essentially correct. I’m a Democrat for many reasons, chief among them that we are a party that tries to express basic human decency in our platform.

15. Libertarian spews:

Hey Roger Rabbit, is Harry Poon with you today?

16. Mark spews:

Felix @ 14: “we are a party that tries to express basic human decency in our platform”

You may TRY to express it in your platform, when it comes to putting it into action…

Can you explain where the “basic human decency” is in the following Associated Press headline from today: “Chicago Mayor Apologizes for Corruption”

I have to agree with Karmalyzed @ 8. Of course, we care and should do what we can to prevent such tragedies in the future. It is only the sue-happy and blame-everyone-but-yourself mentality of American Democrats that even suggests the US is directly responsible for what happened.

17. Libertarian spews:

Another TJ – Suggesting someone bring up a topic with someone else “who cares” is not directing that person’s life any more than suggesting a good restaurant to a stranger.

Oh, and Roger: Libertairians are not part of the right wing. We are separate from those folks just as much as we are not part of the left wing either.

Aren’t these bogs a wonderful wat to waste time and accomplsh nothing? It makes you proud of the First Amendment and the foresight of the Founding Fathers.

18. americaoneloaner spews:

I have been reading and watching this insane blog , now boredom, or just civic duty forces me to point out a much said cliche. “Sorry sir not my job” I love the liberal use of occupation forces, come on the Iraqi’s have their own goverment , their own police force and are drafting thier own constitution. The comparison of an U.S occupation army brings up comparisons of Germany, or stalin forces who ruled by force,torture and intimidation.

The fact that we are helping stabalize the country while they practice self rule does not make us resonsable. The Clerics and those who harbor terrorist who wish to be an occuping force are the root of the problem.

Until the people can stand up and take control of the city and country from those who impose tyranny,and terror they will never be free. we are not the occuping force . we are peace keepers trying to show a arab nation they have the right to self determination.

It is a sad day for humanity whenever these deaths occur but in the battle for democracy there will be casualities. So yes we invaded Iraq, but we did not occupy we handed over the reigns to the people of the Country , they must take responsabilty and shame for condoning thugs to be in thier midst.

19. Nindid spews:

And yet here you are Lib….

20. Another TJ spews:

Another TJ – Suggesting someone bring up a topic with someone else “who cares” is not directing that person’s life any more than suggesting a good restaurant to a stranger.

Who is this mythical “someone else”?

And that’s a poor analogy. Goldy didn’t ask you whether or not you cared. To make it more realistic, it would have you walking up to someone at a restaurant and providing your unsolicited view that that particular restaurant was unworthy of your time and the patron should eat somewhere else.

In light of your comments here in this thread, I’m wondering if you’ve confused being a misanthrope with being a libertarian.

21. Roger Rabbit spews:

Reply to 14

I can think of one right-wing apologist/troll who wouldn’t last 2 hours in the Democratic Party — you have to be human to belong — I won’t mention any names but he just pISSEDON rOGER rABBIT!

22. Roger Rabbit spews:

15

No.

23. Roger Rabbit spews:

16

“sue-happy and blame-everyone-but-yourself mentality of American Democrats”

Why shouldn’t we sue Republicans and blame them for all the shit they pull? Give me one good reason.

24. Roger Rabbit spews:

@17

“Oh, and Roger: Libertairians are not part of the right wing. We are separate from those folks just as much as we are not part of the left wing either.”

I know what a Libertarian is, dork! You are even more anti-government than wingnut Republicans. You guys should call yourselves Anarchists, because that’s what you believe in.

“Aren’t these bogs a wonderful wat to waste time and accomplsh nothing? It makes you proud of the First Amendment and the foresight of the Founding Fathers.”

So why are YOU here? on a liberal blog? don’t let the door hit your ass when you leave.

25. Roger Rabbit spews:

@18

Just what HorsesAss needs, another fucking idiot who thinks Saddam sponsored terrorism and Iraq was behind with 9-11.

26. Libertarian spews:

Another TJ – I really don’t care what you think.

27. Another TJ spews:

Another TJ – I really don’t care what you think.

Now that’s both misanthropic AND libertarian!

If this “conversation” has done nothing more than improve the consistency between what you claim to believe and how you behave, it has been worth it.

My good deed for the day…

28. Libertarian spews:

Another TJ & Roger – Why are you guys so agry all the time?

29. Another TJ spews:

Another TJ & Roger – Why are you guys so agry all the time?

I can’t speak for Roger, but I’m not angry (or “agry”). I’m happy. I like helping people better themselves. It feels good.

30. NoWonder spews:

Roger Rabbit @ 25

‘…Saddam sponsored terrorism and Iraq was behind with 9-11.’

Be careful what you wish for.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/010ewlke.asp

31. Libertarian spews:

Well, Another TJ, have a nice day. Don’t take that as an attempt to direct your life. Just have a nice day!

You too, Roger!

32. spyder spews:

“You guys should call yourselves Anarchists, because that’s what you believe in.”

No NO NOOO Roger, please do not suggest that Libertarians are Anarchists. The few of us still living and breathing would never accept the Libertarian’s fundamental concepts of private property and acquisiton and control of wealth. Those Lib types will support laws that protect their assets and their asses, and thus are certainly not Anarchists.

As for the post: It is rather ironic that Bush gives a speech emphasizing how our troops are there in Iraq, dying or receiving permanently debilitating injuries(including TBI) to protect the Iraqis from terrorism, and yet clearly are completely incapable of doing so. When all it takes is a few words of gossip and hundreds are killed, then all the mightiest, most well-equipped militaries in the world cannot protect anyone.

33. typicalrightwingdipshit spews:

Stay the course…things are going great. Pres. Bush said so.

34. JCH spews:

Darkness is descending on New Orleans, literally and figuratively. Just when you think it couldn’t get any worse, the N.O. Times-Picayune blog reports that the local children’s hospital is under siege: {Democrats [blacks] at play!!!]

Late Tuesday, Gov. Blanco spokeswoman Denise Bottcher described a disturbing scene unfolding in uptown New Orleans, where looters were trying to break into Children’s Hospital.
Bottcher said the director of the hospital fears for the safety of the staff and the 100 kids inside the hospital. The director said the hospital is locked, but that the looters were trying to break in and had gathered outside the facility.

The director has sought help from the police, but, due to rising flood waters, police have not been able to respond.

Bottcher said Blanco has been told of the situation and has informed the National Guard. However, Bottcher said, the National Guard has also been unable to respond.

Things are spiraling completely out of control–and contrary to some naive observers, the crimes are not just being committed by people desperate for basic food and sustenance. Earlier, the Times-Picayune blog reported:

Those trapped in the city faced an increasingly lawless environment, as law enforcement agencies found themselves overwhelmed with widespread looting. Looters swarmed the Wal-mart on Tchoupitoulas Street, often bypassing the food and drink section to steal wide-screen TVs, jewelry, bicycles and computers. Watching the sordid display and shaking his head in disgust, one firefighter said of the scene: “It’s a f—- hurricane, what are you do with a basketball goal?” Police regained control at about 3 p.m., after clearing the store with armed patrol. One shotgun-toting Third District detective described the looting as “ferocious.”

35. klake spews:

http://radioequalizer.blogspot.com/

Folks is what its really like in Texas, wearing a tie-dye shirt and protesting the war in Iraq? Hey Warbbit would you put your two cents in on the subject matter and lets not leave out Mr. Cynical.

Conservative Sneaks Inside Cindy’s Circus

INFILTRATOR

Inside Camp Casey, Cindy Sandwich, Sharpton’s 110MPH!

What really goes on inside Cindy Sheehan’s Crawford camp?

Is it really about grassroots activists joining together, or has she merely been used by political operatives in Ben Cohen’s San Francisco-based nonprofit?

Friday’s Rusty Humphries show (where I filled in as host), featured Curtis Loftis, a conservative activist who managed to get direct access to nearly everyone in Sheehan’s group, merely by blending in.

Loftis followed up with an exclusive account of his experiences for the Radio Equalizer:

Two Days in Camp Casey:

A Conservative’s Belly-of-the-Beast Odyssey

By Curtis Loftis

On a hot and dry mid-afternoon, I arrived at Camp Casey, where the assembled demonstrators seemed in somewhat of a melancholy state.

Stressing cocktail conversation, not political discussion, I quickly made friends. My goal was not confrontation, but a desire to understand what was actually happening here in Crawford.

Going incognito was the only way pull it off.

After getting to know several nice women from California’s Central Coast, I drove with my new friends to the larger, tented camp with Ms. Sheehan and Company.

There I found a well-funded and orchestrated public relations campaign, run by media professionals, complete with the highest-quality electronic equipment.

From satellite trucks and cell phones to wireless computer access, every modern convenience to enhance the “message” was found in this remote part of Texas.

36. JCH spews:

Just watched FOX NEWS……..tones of black Democrat “progressives” “shopping” at the WALMART in New Orleans. Oh, Democrats at play. LMAO!! Parasites all!!

37. JCH spews:

New Orleans — Mayor Ray Nagin ordered 1,500 police to leave their search-and-rescue mission Wednesday night and return to the streets of New Orleans to stop looting that has turned increasingly hostile. “They are starting to get closer to heavily populated areas — hotels, hospitals, and we’re going to stop it right now,” Nagin said in a statement to The Associated Press. [Fun is almost over for Democrat looters in New Orleans. Get your 42 inch plasma Sony quickly!!]

38. Another TJ spews:

Crazy person @ 36

Just watched FOX NEWS……..tones of black Democrat “progressives” “shopping” at the WALMART in New Orleans. Oh, Democrats at play. LMAO!! Parasites all!!

Off topic, I know, but here’s a slightly different take on the situation.

I’ve had trouble with Wonkette links before, so we’ll see how well this works…:

http://www.wonkette.com/politics/ap/index.php#finding-versus-looting-123124

and

http://www.wonkette.com/politics/wonkette/index.php#loot-find-rinse-repeat-123297

39. JCH spews:

Well this should be interesting. A black Democrat Mayor just declared Martial Law in a predominatly black city. The ACLU will be all over this like white on rice. [Martial law just declared in New Orleans]. Classic…….Democrats at play, stealing, looting, and ready to vote 115% Democrat!!!

40. JCH spews:

36………Classic BS!! “Crazy person”? Hmmmmmmm….FOX NEWS was classic!! Yes, those were white YUPPIES looting WALMART!! Right? WRONG!! Not a Republican within miles. ANOTHER TJ, watch the FOX NEWS. It was like an NAACP “giveaway”, with free Michael Jordan sneakers. [I assume WALMART was out of stock on the 42 inch plasma Sony TVs!] Democrats: parasites, and the recent broadcasts of looting proves my point. It is simply not arguable.

41. JCH spews:

BTW, these film clips should insure LA goes Republican in 08.

42. rujax206 spews:

Yeah Baby…that’s the “Leader of the Free World”, the Commander in Chief steppin’ up to the plate to help the suffering like he always does.

What a selfish heartless dick. What a moral vacuum this despicable coward has created. Rejoice my righty friends. You’ve got what you wanted.

hope you’re happy.

“The Republican Party – you really ARE in hell. It really IS this bad.”

43. JCH spews:

38…….Rujax 206………..Bush is spending billions on the rescue and cleanup. Texas has just spent millions opening the Astrodome. WTF are you talking about? Democrats: WALMART looters!!

44. RUFUS spews:

38

Go stick your dick in a intern and take a chill pill would ya.

45. rujax206 spews:

Fuck you rufus…you and your asshole repthuglifuck knee-jerk right wing smug fucking attitude.

You ARE a hateful little son of a bitch aren’t you.

Rot in hell motherfucker.

46. Donnageddon spews:

KarmalyzedBrain @ 8 “Of course we care, but how is this our fault? Are the sandstorms our fault, too?”

It shames me that I need to explain this to you.

Yes, it is our fault. We are the Occupying Armed Forces in Iraq. We are in charge of Security.

Every car bomb that goes off, every suicide bomber that kills tens of people is our fault.

It is our fault because we still allow Bush to occupy the White House.

47. Mr. Cynical spews:

rujax@40–
My or my aren’t you testy tonite. Could you be laundering some of that Walmart merchandise your brothers and sisters was ripping off? I have no problem with folks taking the food to survive. Totally understandable. But ripping off Nike’s??? Gimmee a break. And what the hell is with ripping off computers & TV’s??? THERE IS NO FUCKING POWER!!! HOW DO YOU PLUG THEM IN??? Did you see the NY Times picture of the goofball riding a kids BMX bicycle thru the Walmart aisles while holding a BB Gun that looks like a real rifle??? What if a cop saw him and the goofball pointed that rifle at the cop?? FUCKERS like you Rujax would be screaming racism and police brutality!!!
PS
Also notice in that NY Times picture that most of the Women’s Lingerie section has been pilfered. YOU WERE TOO LATE GOLDY!!! The only thing left appeared to be the womens size 68DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD’S!
You could pack half the store in one of them babies!

48. JCH spews:

Democrats: looters of society. Nothing but parasites, and the FOX NEWS film clips PROVE it. These looters are today’s core group of Democrats, voting at 115% of registration.

49. RUFUS spews:

Rujax

FUCK YOU AND YOUR MORAL OUTRAGE YOU FUCKIN DONK ASSHOLE. Go defend some more terrorists. Go defend the muslim killers. Kill some more jews. YOU GO TO HELL.

50. Rujax206 spews:

48- Here…I’ll paraphrase your comment posts:

Kill kill kill kill

Hate hate hate hate

More war

Jesus would have killed you if they had guns in 32 AD.

That should do it, Mr. Shit-for-Brains.

51. Donnageddon spews:

RUFUS @ 48 “Go defend some more terrorists. Go defend the muslim killers. Kill some more jews. YOU GO TO HELL.”

Some Neo-fascist wingnut has been reading a wee too much Ann Coulter (aka Andy Kaufman)

52. Donnageddon spews:

@ 47

Did someone fart?

53. Donnageddon spews:

@ 47 Hey! Crack a window buddy if you are gonna spew that foul smelly crap all over the place!

Have you no manners?

54. Donnageddon spews:

JCH @ everywhere

Uh.. you don’t mind f I call you a racist do you?

55. JCH spews:

Don, Was that you with Maxine Waters looting the New Orlean’s WALMART? The FOX NEWS film clips will make great PR in 08. Thanks in advance, JCH

56. Mark spews:

Roger @ 23

Do you Dems EVER accept responsibilty for your own circumstances? Clearly, you’re living proof that Democrats just regress to toddlers in their old age. Whine, cry, stomp your feet, poop your diapers and blame everyone but yourself.