Tyranny of the majority?

I swear, if I hear one more Beck-addled teabagger railing against the “tyranny” of the Obama administration and the Democratic controlled Congress, I’m gonna stomp somebody’s head or something.

See, this government is not a “tyranny;” it’s what we call a “democracy.” You know, like when voters go to the polls and elect the government they want? For example, if the Republicans seize control of Congress next week through free and fair elections, I won’t call that “tyranny.” “Idiocy,” yes. “Mind-fuckingly stupid, reactionary, irrational, fear-fueled flapdoodle,” sure.

But tyranny? No… I’d call it just a really bad election season from my party’s perspective. You know, democracy at work and all that. However poorly.

But only a self-delusional sore loser would call it “tyranny.”

Comments

  1. 1

    Medicaid-Motorchair Conservative spews:

    ‘If wishes were horses, then beggars would ride’

    But 1st they’d want free riding lessons at MY EXPENSE. How is that fair?

  2. 2

    proud leftist spews:

    Goldy,
    I surely share your sentiments. So many Americans would now deny that democracy, at its best, produced this guy (go to the Obama interview):

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/

    How many of you wingnuts have watched a real president face a real live interviewer? You all want to talk about his alleged dependence on a Teleprompter. Watch this, if you want to see a guy who can think on his feet. You want to see some rational interchange? Watch this. None of you wingnuts will, of course.

    This guy was elected, by a majority. He is a damned fine man, and a damned fine president. Do you think George W. Bush could have stood up to Stewart’s questioning like Obama does? God help you, if you believe that. Bush never subjected himself to such questioning.

    I’ll be at the Restore Sanity rally at Westlake Center on Saturday. Let’s all get there. There is way too much nonsense in our body politic at the moment. Wingnuts, watch the whole clip between Obama and Stewart. You’ll be amazed that we have a thinking, conversant president. (Ah, you won’t because you are who you are, but whatever . . . )

  3. 4

    LD spews:

    And the Majority is now saying just the opposite of your voting trend

    I1053 – passing
    I1098 – going down in flames
    I1007 – Passing
    I1100 – Passing

    Its gonna be time for Olympia to cut their wages and unrealistic benefit plans

  4. 5

    ld spews:

    And I swear if one more Acorn hatches illegal votes or hands out free Starbucks cards or free meals for voting I will also stomp somebody’s head.

  5. 6

    bob spews:

    Isn’t it a representative democracy? As in, we elect people to represent us and expect that they will be a sounding board for our expressed wishes? As in, if a majority of the country objects to a horribly expensive and irreparably flawed health care bill, the bill should be withdrawn and reworked rather than being rammed through by a series of evasive technical moves by Congressional leaders?

    Tyranny might be the wrong word but ‘democracy’ as it was envisioned isn’t correct, either.

    Tuesday will be the first effort to make things right. There will be more after that.

    Goldy’s indignation rings hollow, at best.

  6. 7

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    proud leftist @2
    The President of the United States on the Daily Show actually showed there is something deeply disturbed about this individual. He is an actor…Class B. He shifts from goofy, destructive comments like mocking & ridiculing the Tea Party (his demise) to telling folks who disagree they will “ride in the Back”. Nonsense unbecoming of a leader. Then he comes on a corny show and tried to ACT all serious to minimize the damage HE has already done in further dividing this country. I dislike lots of things about Bush…but he chose to NOT play mean, condescending guy with the opposition. It wasn’t his style. It is Obama’s. And the same America that seemed to like it when he was elected has now turned on him because they expected Obama to make the transition to a leader they could respect. Yesterday, Obama’s Strong Approval rating hit -20…after being +32 post-inauguration. By any measure, Obama has failed to be a leader to rally Americans. This is what happens when you make a Kommunity Organizer president. It was totally predictable. Especially a guy with deep-seated abandonment issues about his father.
    Look at me daddy! Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
    It’s sad really.

    PL tries to paint this guy a a “fine man”. That is debatable…based on his actions.

  7. 8

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    I’m not so sure tyranny is the wrong word. Obama has repeated sought to avoid Congress in his CZAR frenzy. Look what happened. He also jammed thru ObamaCare which was and is clearly against the will of the people…and he did it with smoke-and-mirrors accounting.

    tyr·an·ny   
    [tir-uh-nee]
    –noun, plural -nies.

    1.
    arbitrary or unrestrained exercise of power; despotic abuse of authority.
    2.
    the government or rule of a tyrant or absolute ruler.
    3.
    a state ruled by a tyrant or absolute ruler.
    4.
    oppressive or unjustly severe government on the part of any ruler.
    5.
    undue severity or harshness.
    6.
    a tyrannical act or proceeding.

    I can understand why a lot of Americans view Obama as a tyrant. One of his big mistakes was creating a very small circle of hardcore, smash mouth advisers who obviously wound him up and sent him to do their bidding–
    Emanual, Jarrett and the worst of all David “The Devil” Axelrod.
    Then he keeps jamming Robert Fibbs in front of us the try to make us feel better after his lies and misdeeds.
    Didn’t work.
    Unfixable.
    The real man is known. The emporer has no clothes!

  8. 9

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Here is where your “fine man” sits today in the eyes of likely American voters–
    Friday, October 29, 2010

    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 26% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-five percent (45%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -19

  9. 10

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Conway in Kentucky tried the same scorched earth tactics as the Obama REGIME. Here is how folks are reacting–
    Friday, October 29, 2010

    Following the uproar over Democrat Jack Conway’s ad criticizing his opponent’s college antics and questioning his religious faith, Republican Rand Paul has taken a 12-point lead in Kentucky’s bitter U.S. Senate race.
    The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Voters in the state, taken Wednesday night, shows Paul with 53% support to Conway’s 41%.

    That tactics that got you into power are the same ones that got you out of power. You failed to make the transition to leadership. It’s not FoxNews or someone else to blame…it’s a lack of expertise in leadership in making that transition.
    None of you KLOWNS are willing to point the finger at your own guy…because you are his USEFUL IDIOTS! Wake up. The R’s had some tremendous battles with the Tea Party. In Alaska, it still wages. You are soooooooo excited about internal Party Civil Wars…yet you are in desperate need. Instead, you KLOWNS rally around inexperience and failure.
    I’m glad for that.
    Until the Dems have an internal civil war between the old fashioned Truman Dems and you Progressives, you will be mediocre with one small blip on sunshine (where you failed).

  10. 11

    ld spews:

    “See, this government is not a “tyranny;”

    The Great Uniter, who openly states the Republicans can sit in the back of the bus?

    If I had any respect at all for this president, I lost it all on that statement and will move to have him replaced.

    He is burying this country in his Marxist Community Organizer future, and next Tuesday America will have it’s word.

  11. 12

    Mrs. Cynical spews:

    Now, honey, I know you get all hot and bothered every time you have a phone conversation with Karl, but don’t you think you’ve laid it on a bit too thick this time? And what’s with this sticky stuff on the keyboard?

  12. 14

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Mrs. C-
    You know how much I like to poke the KLOWNS before doing my chores. It’s kind of pathetic to watch them let power slip thru their crooked little fingers…but it was inevitable. This election is merely the warm-up to 2012 where 23 out 33 Senate Seats up for re-election are currently Dems…and many are in serious jeopardy….as is our poop-for-brains President ImamObaMao.

    I see this as KLOWN eradication month….only I didn’t have to do anything. They have eradicated themselves!!

  13. 15

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    CPO-
    Yet another paranoid, conspiracy theory type who has worked himself into such a lather he honestly believes someone would get paid to post on HorsesAss.org!!
    Moron.

  14. 16

    YellowPup spews:

    It seems to be a moronic kind of payback for the Bush years.

    Back then, Bush ruled by redefinition of presidential power, signing statements, recess appointments, and emergency appropriations.

    Legitimate constitutional objections were raised about the use of torture, the status of detainees, and domestic spying. The label “fascist” and “tyrant” seemed to have something behind it.

    Republicans lost in 2008, and since their populist wing is wrapped up in crazy, it seemed logical that regardless of what Obama did since being elected to fix the damage, they would call him a tyrant or fascist.

    We’ll have to spot them on “socialist,” since the corporations, plutocrats, and whatnot see anything that threatens their government-backed privileges as socialism.

    If anything, Obama has been far too conservative, too conciliatory. Too many half-measures.

  15. 17

    sic semper tyrannis. oh wait; this is roger's blog. make it sic semper rodentia. spews:

    As the new Republican Congress gets geared up to democratically impeach Obama, and as Pat Fitzgerald comes back to indict Holder and the rest of you Goldycrat tyrants for war crimes, it’s useful to recall what real Democrat tyranny was like. Here again, in case you missed it, is Quirin:

    [Deleted --- see HA Comment Policy]

    Satisfied? Want to find out if Einzatsgruppen Rabbit gets it in the end? Stay tuned.

  16. 18

    Steve spews:

    My prediction is that next week the KLOWN will still be the dumbest MF on the entire planet. Anyone care to bet against that? Any takers? I didn’t think so.

  17. 19

    Bob spews:

    @16 You said:

    Back then, Bush ruled by redefinition of presidential power, signing statements, recess appointments, and emergency appropriations.

    Shouldn’t you acknowledge that The One is doing exactly the same thing?

    Just sayin’.

  18. 20

    correctnotright spews:

    @6: bob
    Umm, maybe you object to a “horribly” expensive health care bill – but that is because you are either brainwashed or too damn stoopid to actually understand what the bill does. According to the non-partisan congressionl budget office the bill will save taxpayers money:

    CBO and the staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) estimate that enacting both pieces of legislation will produce a net reduction in federal deficits of $143 billion over the 2010-2019 period.

    CBO and JCT estimate that by 2019, the two pieces of legislation combined will reduce the number of nonelderly people who are uninsured by about 32 million

    so “bob”, before you go “railing” against something – maybe you should actually know wwhat you are talking about and either not LIE or be informed.

    http://www.cbo.gov/publication.....health.cfm

    Oh, and it prevents the great insurnace industry from denying coverage for pre-existing conditions and prevents them from dropping you for trivial reasons when you do get sick.

    Of course, “bob”, you must love the insurance companies.

  19. 21

    correctnotright spews:

    @8: Wow, Klynical you are really on your game today…lies and ignorance all in one post.

    The health care plan saves money – but you are either too stoopid to know that or you are lying.

    I prefer to think you are too stoopid – given that a word like tyranny probably has about three more letters in it than you can possibly read.

  20. 22

    correctnotright spews:

    @7: Actually, I think Obama has been too nice to the obstructionist nutcase republicans.

    Why be nice to people who say out loud that their agenda is to obstruct?

    Why should I be nice to a fool like Klynical who only knows how to call people names and can’t actually engage in an intelligent discussion?

    Of course, I gave Bush a chance when he became President – but he proved to be ignorant (just listen to the idiot try to speak), lying (he started a war that we did not need to fight), and he turned the largest budget surplus in history into the largest deficit in history – while simulataneously destroying the economy.

    Of course, Klynical, at the time parroted the republican line that the economy was fine – even as we headed off the cliff to what WOULD have been the worst economy since the great depression.

    And Klynical cheered the war in Iraq,

    And Klynical said nothing about budget deficits at the time.

    Klynical is an ignorant hypocrital fool. Day one – he was against Obama and blamed him for the stock market collapse before he even took office.

    This shows me that Klynical is both a fool and a demagogue. Also, there is something psychologically wrong with an idiot who keeps posting stuff about how badly Obama is doing on a Rasmussen poll that only started with Obama and forgets that the Bush approval rating was 25% – and Obama is at 46%.

    I mean, how stoopid is that?

    And as soon as the republicans get any control – they will sef-destruct as the tea party will force them to be even more crazy than they already are.

    I predict Obama will win by a historically large margin in 2012 since the republicans have NO plans except to obstruct.

  21. 23

    t.patriot spews:

    I think the lady Goldie does protest too much!

    Barack Pelosi *IS* a tyrant, and his defenders like you are just as guilty. We’re taking back our country next week, and there won’t be any room here for socialists like you. So you better watch your back.

  22. 24

    CPO spews:

    @15: If you aren’t paid then you are either a pathetic fool pounding away on his keyboard in his single wide trailer in Montana arguing against your own best interest, or a greedy traitorous businessman who doesn’t want limits on his business or wealth at the expense of what is good for American. Either way you are still a fascist and a hired tool of them, whether you know it or not.

    The definition of fascism is the cooperation between big business and big government. Just about everything you say is in support of that form of government and against anything that might help the American people. Your answer for the American people who need help is let the churches do it. That didn’t work in the 1930’s and it sure wouldn’t work now.

    As for calling me a moron, you would be right if I keep arguing with a fool like you! So good-bye, I’m done with you for now.

  23. 25

    Steve spews:

    @22 “I mean, how stoopid is that?”

    As I’ve said before, the dumbest MF on the entire planet.

  24. 26

    Steve spews:

    I see that Puddy was justifying the curb-stomping of a woman by a teabagging man over on the open thread. I mean, really, guys who are cool with men curb-stomping women shouldn’t be whining about tyranny. Further, what are the odds that freaks like that beat their own wives? heh- My money is on Puddy being a wife beater. And the KLOWN? He probably beats the goat.

  25. 27

    Steve spews:

    @23 “So you better watch your back.”

    Why? Are you gonna sneak up on a woman and curb-stomp her to death? How patriotic of you.

  26. 30

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    27. Steve spews:
    @23 “So you better watch your back.”

    Why? Are you gonna sneak up on a woman and curb-stomp her to death? How patriotic of you.

    Steve, I would think with your background in violence, you really ought to let this curb-stompin’ go. Know what I mean?

  27. 31

    Another TJ spews:

    The Great Uniter, who openly states the Republicans can sit in the back of the bus?

    If I had any respect at all for this president, I lost it all on that statement and will move to have him replaced.

    And if he didn’t say that, wow, won’t you look like an ass!

    [Pssst. He didn't say that. Which means...]

  28. 32

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    It’s about accountability…it’s about positions on issues…and it’s about the misconduct of Democrats and the ImamObaMao Regime.
    All the personal attacks in the world do is make your opposition more pissed off and more determined.
    Your lack of understand about making the transition from ideology striving for power…to leadership is appalling.

    Frankly, I think a few of you (like rhp) actually get what I am saying.
    Until you are realistic about what caused your demise, you will not have a chance of rising again.

    And Yellowpup @ 16 sez-

    If anything, Obama has been far too conservative, too conciliatory. Too many half-measures.

    Yet you sit back and support him like a USEFUL IDIOT. At least the Tea Party took the R’s head-on and changed the debate & the solidified the direction of the Party. Free Enterprise over Big Government. That’s it..like it or not. Americans need to choose which direction.

  29. 33

    Rujax! spews:

    @7…

    OH! That GW. Now THERE was a leader.

    Fucking moron could NOT speak in complete sentences. But that’s ok.

    That’s the kind of easily manipulated doofus that cyniprick wants for a president.

    Godd fucking luck asshole,

    Besides…Barack Hussein Obama IS the President of the United States of America and the Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces.

    …AND probably the best American President I will see in my lifetime.

  30. 34

    Steve spews:

    No wonder the KLOWN has time to post so much the last couple of days. The inmates at Whatcom County Jail obviously have internet access.

    FERNDALE, Wash. (AP) — A Ferndale man accused of sexually abusing a goat pleaded guilty to animal cruelty.

    The Bellingham Herald reports the 27-year-old man, Gary Veldhuizen, was sentenced Monday to a month in the Whatcom County Jail.

    He was arrested by sheriff’s deputies in May after a relative caught him having sex with the animal.

  31. 35

    slingshot spews:

    It’s mass projection. The Sociopathic right-wing conciousness has to deny fault at all costs. Realizing failure, accepting and learning from it is not possible to sufferers of this disease. Therefore, the shame and regret that should be a part of the psyche’s learning experience are shunted toward outward anger, and subconcious shame and denial. That’s how they end up blaming their percieved adversary for the very things they are guilty of. Amurka’s beer hall putsch is just around the corner.

  32. 36

    Steve spews:

    On his Facebook page he is a self-described Republican and Christian. heh- Yup, that’s our KLOWN alright.

  33. 37

    Rujax! spews:

    Gee…I wonder if the cyniprick remembers who brought us the savings and laon scandal.

    Who brought sex scandals to the House and the Senate?

    Who destroyed the checks and balances in the financial servics industry.

    Who outsourced American jobs and killed the middle class.

    Who de-funded American Public Education?

    Clue…It WAS’T the Democrats.

  34. 39

    Steve spews:

    No need for me to watch my back around the KLOWN. Goats, on the other hand, might want to take some precautions.

  35. 40

    Another TJ spews:

    It’s hard to take conservative claims of tyranny seriously when they scream bloody murder when Democrats are in the White House and they don’t make a peep when Republicans are in the White House. It’s almost like they don’t really believe what they’re saying.

  36. 42

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    steve–
    Ummm, I posted the original story a month ago and accused YLB. Get some original material, willya? Although copying me is a smart way to live your life…and a compliment.

  37. 43

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Perhaps the Obama REGIME should be referred to instead as “Despots”?
    Definition of DESPOT

    a : a ruler with absolute power and authority
    b : a person exercising power tyrannically

  38. 44

    Steve spews:

    @42 “I posted the original story a month ago and accused YLB.”

    I seem to recall our having previously discussed how you always project your ill traits onto others. Someone here mentioned that it’s a Psych 101 thing.

    Any surprise here that you’d have known about it first? heh- Nope.

  39. 45

    Steve spews:

    Come next Wednesday morning, no matter the election results, you’ll still be a stupid, goatfucking KLOWN and there’s no way that’ll ever change. So sad! heh-

  40. 46

    Rujax! spews:

    43. Mr. Cynical spews:

    Perhaps the Obama REGIME should be referred to instead as “Despots”?
    Definition of DESPOT

    a : a ruler with absolute power and authority
    b : a person exercising power tyrannically

    10/29/2010 at 9:20 am

    Sorry goatfucker that was Dick Cheney,

  41. 47

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    But steve–
    The fact that you would follow me when I am so ignorant in your opinion sez what about you?
    The fact that you read & respond to my posts sez what about YOU??
    It’s a Psych 101 thing I guess.

  42. 49

    Armstrong spews:

    Can I go back 61 years and warn America that George Orwell’s novels are WARNINGS not How To Guides?

  43. 50

    Medicaid-Motorchair Conservative spews:

    re 5: “…if a majority of the country objects to a …health care bill….”

    Mighty big if. What if 70% of the people objected to the bill because it did not go far enough?

    What, then, would be your ‘democratic’ remedy? I would suggest to you that the latter scenerio is the correct one and that you and your ilk are the authoritarian monsters.

  44. 51

    Steve spews:

    KLOWN sez, “The fact that you would follow me when I am so ignorant in your opinion sez what about you?”

    I believe that it says that I find the ignorance of people fascinating. I try to distill the ignorance down to as few words as possible. It’s kind of a game I play. I’ve got you down to one word. “Goatfucker” With Puddy it’s, “Meds!” With Lost it’s, “Narcissism unbound!” Your entire existences summed up with four words between the three of you. Not bad, huh?

  45. 52

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @1 The people who have all the money is this country have gotten an awful lot of free riding lessons at the expense of the rest of us.

    How, for example, is a state tax system that taxes poor people 17% of their income while taxing rich people 3% of their income “fair”? When it’s the wealthy people whose businesses, professions, and incomes benefit most from the public infrastructure and services that government tax dollars provide?

    You see, Mr. Conservative Mohair dude, the platitudes spewed by guys like you loses all its moral force because you folks are, in fact, freeloading hypocrites. Nobody drinks deeper at the public trough than the Greedy Class. Nobody whines more about taxes and pays less actual taxes. It’s all hot air, as empty as Donald Trump’s real bank account, as vacuous as Glenn Beck’s Nielsen ratings. All hype, no substance, like a Texas cattleman trying to sell a herd he doesn’t own.

    Shame on you for trying to peddle this crap here, on a blog where people know how to think.

  46. 53

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @4 “Its gonna be time for Olympia to cut their wages and unrealistic benefit plans”

    I worked for the state for over 25 years and it was continuously my experience that people working in banking, private law firms, professional practices of all kinds, owners of small businesses, private investors, and so on, all — without exception — lived in larger homes and drove more expensive cars and took fancier vacations than my family ever did.

    The truth, dipshit, is that state workers are poor compared to those who prosper in the private sector. Government salaries are a third of what comparable private jobs pay. Benefits? What benefits are you talking about? The state pension plan, which never provided a lush retirement to anyone (except the politicians and agency heads), has to be paired with Social Security just to pay basic bills, and then only if you’ve given your whole life to public service (i.e., worked 25 to 30 years). If you’ve put in only 5 to 10 years with the state, your pension won’t even pay the property taxes and utility bills.

    Where are these great retirement benefits I get? I pay $1,000 a month out of my pension income for my Group Health plan. There is no taxpayer subsidy for my health care, none, nada, zip. Yeah, active employees get such a “subsidy”, i.e. the employer pays about three-quarters (or something like that) of their premiums, but that’s part of their compensation and is offset by the salary they don’t get.

    Benefits? It’s true state workers get a lot of paid holidays and vacation days compared to, say, teenaged minimum wage workers in an espresso shop. But those paid days off were given to them over the years in lieu of cost-of-living increases. Instead of keeping state pay competitive, the legislature gave them more paid days off. This is a great deal for the state and the taxpayers, because the workers have to do the same amount of work. I spend quite a few of those “paid holidays” in the office working. So did my colleagues. We had to, because it was the only way we could keep up with the workload. The number of files in your in-box doesn’t go down just because they’re closing the office on more days of the year. That’s why they give you a key to the office — so you can come in and work on those “holidays” and “vacation” days.

    You don’t know a fucking thing about what it’s like to be a public servant. I spent my life serving people you, and I didn’t get paid for it, or appreciated for it. Which makes me wonder why the fuck I did it. I would have been better off to be an ambulance-chasing shyster lawyer who raked in millions by suing guys like you because some dude slipped on a banana peel down the block. You were negligent because you lived on the same street, you see. Or how about if I had been a mortgage broker. Yeah, now there was a racket! I remember reading a news story about a young woman, a twenty-something, who went from being a hairdresser to hawking bundles of high-risk mortgages to Wall Street. By age 28 she was making $2 million a year. People like her made fifty-something attorneys slaving away over Medicaid files for $50,000 a year look like fools. And maybe that’s what we were, to work our hearts out for peanuts, for ungrateful assholes like you.

  47. 54

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @4 (continued) Oh yeah, one more thing, twit: I paid for my pension. They took it out of my pay. I also paid for my social security with FICA taxes. (Actuarial studies I’ve read indicate social security is not a Ponzi scheme; my generation will get back about the same as we paid in, adjusted for inflation.) The taxpayers didn’t give me anything. I worked my ass off for a meager salary and paid out of my own pocket for the “benefits” I get.

    Why do shitheads like you think private sector bankers and executives should be compensated with extreme generosity but government workers should be required to work for free?

  48. 55

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @5 You sure do like to trade in fabrications, you? You should try writing comic books for a living. You might do well in the fantasy genre.

  49. 56

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @5 (continued) Hey, I have an idea. Why don’t you come to my burrow and try to stomp my head? Please bring a gun so I can claim self-defense.

  50. 57

    YellowPup spews:

    @19: It’s been done by all presidents. I guess the question is, in what proportion, and to what end?

    In any case, I don’t recall anyone calling Clinton a fascist. No one accused Reagan or Bush of being a tyrant for appointing czars.

    Whatever happened to good old-fashioned accusations of lack of patriotism and “moral values”? Can’t you distract your peeps with flag burning, “In God We Trust,” or the pledge of allegiance?

  51. 58

    Bob spews:

    @20:

    First, can the ad hominem.

    Second, the CBO assumes that the forced payments by individuals will actually occur. If they do not, and it seems likely they will not because they are likely unconstitutional, then that revenue goes away, doesn’t it?

    Further, if one looks at the number of companies preparing to drop coverage and dump their enrollees on the Federal government, the costs go ever-higher.

    CBO is limited to making estimates according to what is asked of it, and cannot bring in extraneous information, like, say, the cost of restoring the Medicare reimbursement reduction to physicians that everyone knows will occur but was kept out of the health care bill because……wait for it…….it was too expensive.

    Using March data when a ton of information has been released since them indicating that costs are spiraling far further than predicted just makes your point irrelevant.

    For relevance, here’s Brian Baird, quoted in WSJ, today:

    “It’s been an authoritarian, closed leadership. That style plus a general groupthink mentality didn’t work when Tom DeLay called the shots,” Mr. Baird says. “We’ve made some of the same damn mistakes, and we were supposed to be better. That’s the heartbreak.”

    Since my point in @6 was that the current administration isn’t listening to the people, I think Baird’s quote pretty much validates my perspective.