Turnout differential bodes well for Democrats

It’s been obvious for some time that November is going to see an historic election, with either a woman or a black man heading the Democratic ticket, so while Barack Obama’s streak of ten straight landslide victories since Super Tuesday certainly adds more than a bit of drama to the campaign season, it hasn’t exactly been a surprise. February promised to be a good month for Obama, but it had to be a very good month to give him the momentum necessary to smash through Hillary Clinton’s presumed firewall in delegate rich Ohio and Texas on March 4. It has been, and with a small but widening delegate lead, and a narrowing gap in the firewall states, the smart money is now on Obama.

For an idea of how impressive Obama’s streak has been, yesterday’s 17.4% margin in Wisconsin was the closest this month, with Obama only winning 58.1% to 40.7%. More significantly, Obama racked up majorities throughout most of the state, capturing 40 delegates to Clinton’s 28, where he had only been projected to manage an 8 delegate pickup. Meanwhile in the Hawaii caucus, Obama thumped Clinton 76% to 24% for 12 delegates to Clinton’s 4.

Exciting for Obama fans, but again, not surprising; this has pretty much been the story all month long. Obama now leads Clinton 1140 to 1005 in pledged delegates. Sure there are some loyal superdelegates who will go for Clinton no matter what, but in general I really don’t see Democratic electeds being that stupid or that self-destructive to throw the nomination to Clinton if Obama manages to win a clear majority of the pledged delegates, the states and the popular vote… and unless Clinton stages a dramatic comeback in Ohio and Texas, that’s exactly what Obama looks like he is set up to do. In their speeches last night both Obama and McCain each turned their sights on the other, so with the focus beginning to shift toward November I think the big news coming out yesterday’s primary is another trend that’s been building since Iowa: the enormous turnout differential between the two parties nationwide.

In Wisconsin, a swing state with an open primary, Obama alone drew more votes than the entire Republican field combined. But more impressively, so did Clinton despite her distant, second place finish. And even here in Washington, where the Republican primary determined more than half the delegates while the Democrats held nothing more than a beauty contest, the Dems already enjoy a 35% turnout advantage with most of overwhelmingly blue King County yet to report. Nationwide the Democrats have produced a 45% turnout advantage thus far, and while such numbers won’t correspond to turnout in November, it surely signals a huge disparity in voter enthusiasm. Yes, rank and file Republicans will largely get behind McCain, but even a small turnout disadvantage or a couple point swing to the Dems amongst independents could spell disaster for GOP candidates up and down the ticket.

While our local Republicans like to blame all their losses on electoral fraud, it was the KCGOP’s lax Get Out The Vote effort that proved the decisive factor in our infamously close gubernatorial election in 2004. And with little more than half of KCGOP primary voters (and only a quarter of caucus goers) willing to cast their ballot for McCain, weeks after securing the nomination, that doesn’t say much for his potential presidential coattails. If I were a local Republican, I’d be feeling more than just “dirty” or “unenthusiastic” — I’d be awfully damn worried right about now.

Comments

  1. 1

    Puddybud, The Fact Finding Prognosticator... spews:

    Goldy, you’ve got to be kidding.

    You decidedly skipped over the real news. How close Heilary was to Obama in the primary vote, within 3.09% vs the caucii vote of 68-32 Obama. Why is that? The Party bigwigs didn’t want to enfranchise those Heilary supporters who couldn’t make it to the Sabbath activities like DustinJames sister?

    Real thinking people see how you skipped over the voting dichotomy the donkey displayed between the caucus and the primary. If I was Heilary I’d cry fowl.

    Oh yes… almost forgot – Looks like “Boss” Esser was right both times eh Goldy?

  2. 2

    Puddybud, The Fact Finding Prognosticator... spews:

    BTW: Our WA State StupidDelegates will jackboot march to Heilary, goosestepping all the way to the convention.

  3. 3

    ByeByeGOP spews:

    Another interesting fact is that the righties are so disenchanted with McCain a significant percent of them voted for the Mormon – and fucking Romney has dropped out. How bad must it be for the GOP if they are still voting for a guy who dropped out of the race?

    Must suck to be a republican.

  4. 4

    ByeByeGOP spews:

    Didn’t Boss Esser issue an order that any republican not voting McCain will be shot? Hope so.

  5. 5

    Puddybud, The Fact Finding Prognosticator... spews:

    Even the national news admitted the uneducated and old people are Heilary supporters. That’s amazing for them to now leave their “reported inevitable candidate”. Recently, Rush had a field day on that one on his show. IT WAS FUNNY.

    Want to see all the “inevitable” URLs again 16%ers?

    Pelletizer how does that Heilary endorsement feel?

    Clueless idiot I know you voted for Mr Two Americas in the primary along with other admitted 16%ers here.

    Oh oh wait… I feel a tear forming in my eye…

  6. 6

    Puddybud, The Fact Finding Prognosticator... spews:

    Maybe BBG they voted for Romney before he dropped out.

    What a tool.

  7. 8

    Puddybud, The Fact Finding Prognosticator... spews:

    I knew Ron “Tax to the Max” Simms was dumb. Recently he proved just how dumb. Yes, he’s one of yours lefties.

  8. 9

    rhp6033 spews:

    It’s just worthwhile noting how the Repubicans got into this position. Normally the incumbent party has a leg up in the Presidential race. First you look to the vice-president as the potential nominee, and if not them, then to any number of presidential appointees who have been visable throughout the past eight years, gaining experience, political clout, and name recognition.

    But the Bush administration has been the kiss of political death for everyone who has served. V.P. Cheney, already considered to be too old and in too poor health to become President, has in addition become far too unpopular, with approval ratings dropping into the single digits. Condoliza Rice, who was touted just a few years ago as the best Republican candidate to go against Hillary Clinton, is not saddled with the unenviable task as a defender of administration policy during the Iraq war. Alberto Gonzales, another “up and comer” who was touted as the possible first latin-american President, quickly folded as it was revealed that he couldn’t tell the truth, even while under oath, during the investigations of the attorney-general firings. Homeland Security chief Chertoff will forever have “Katrina” added to his biography, as FEMA (which had been added to his department) failed miserably to so much as deliver water to the SuperDome for several days.

    Other appointees may survive to have a political career, in the distant future, provided that they keep their head down and remain essentially invisible until memories of the Bush disasters fade fade. But this year, there is no hope.

    That just leaves a few Senators, Congressman, and Governors to run for Congress for the Republican Party. Of these, they have to convince the Republican base that the supported all of Bush’s important policies over the past seven years, but then later convince the electorate at large that they opposed those policies during the general election.

  9. 10

    correctnotright spews:

    Washington state republicans: they can’t even run their primary right, they are still whining over Dino Rossi and have been embarassed by the firing of USAA John McCay. The republican party in washington state has made a series of bad decisions, had bad candidates, has shifted to the far right and is losing voters left and tight (no pun intended).

    The numbers don’t lie and the republicans here are losing voters and had only about 10% of the democratic turnout in the caucuses. All in all – it does not bode well for republicans in this stage – the remaining three republican congresscritters may be in trouble (yes – even on the EAST SIDE!) and we will have a democratic governor, two senators (dems) and at least 7 dems in congress.

    The national trends are also in the dems favor – incompetence and corruption on a massive scale with bush. I am even hearing some staunch republicans revolting against the war in Iraq and the police state tactics of illegal wiretapping and torture. The coalition of evagelicals and right wing conservatives is falling apart and McCain is not exciting the conservative base.

    Independents are going to the democrats to fix the deficit, the war and the corruption. Republicans are going to be a small whiny minority in the next election. They may make a comeback – but democrats are trusted to clean up the economic mess and the corruption – why put a party (republicans) in charge that doesn’t believe in government to fix up the governmental problems THEY caused?

  10. 11

    rhp6033 spews:

    “Even the national news admitted the uneducated and old people are Heilary supporters. ”

    No, that’s the Rush Limbaugh listening audience, and the Republican base. Everybody else is voting Democratic this year. It matters little whether they vote for Clinton or Obama, the GOP is going down!

  11. 12

    correctnotright spews:

    @1: Puddy
    the real news? come on – the primary was meaningless. the real news was Obama whupped Hillary in the primaries.

    There ain’t no controvery – just Obama winning ten states in a row starting with Washington and the smallest margin of victory was Wisconsin with 17 percent. Hillary will be ready on day one – to go back to the senate.

  12. 13

    rhp6033 spews:

    Actually, no meaninful numbers can be derived from the Washington Democratic Primary. The voters were told in advance that there delegates would be selected at the caucus, and the primary didn’t count. It was, what they call, a “beauty contest”. Therefore lots of potential Democratic voters didn’t even bother to vote in the primary, and neither campaign put any effort into getting out the vote for the primary.

  13. 17

    spews:

    I wonder how much of the “Democratic” vote in our meaningless primary was actually Republicans — or perhaps I should say, given the idiotic aversion to party identification hereabouts, “independents” — looking to do the kind of not-so-dirty trick suggested in the other direction by Goldy, Darryl, et al.

    Let’s face it — this state isn’t as Democratic as the turnout numbers would suggest.

  14. 18

    Puddybud, The Fact Finding Prognosticator... spews:

    rhp6033: Have you missed the uglygrams the Donkey have been saying about Condoleezza (at least spell her name right)? Remember the political cartoons? Oh you forgot? Here let Puddy refresh your simple liberal mind:

    Condoleezza Rice Political Cartoons : Results 1 – 10 of about 84,500 for Condoleezza Rice Political Cartoons . (0.22 seconds)

    Check them out from your good leftist progressive friends. Why would a real intelligent black woman subject herself to attacks? How about the sexual innuendo?

    Condoleezza Rice A Lesbian : Results 1 – 10 of about 107,000 for Condoleezza Rice A Lesbian. (0.19 seconds) and Results 1 – 10 of about 22,000 for Condoleeza Rice A Lesbian. (0.21 seconds) misspellingher name.

    Nothing from the leftist press on her Russian history or Russian language skillz. Her concert pianist skillz. Her poor childhood. Her Stanford post? Naaaaah… I wouldn’t jump into that game either the way the leftist MSM is.

  15. 20

    correctnotright spews:

    @9: rhp:
    Nice anaylsis of the republican problems – notice how many times Bush is mentioned by McCain? They can’t run and can’t hide from the pathetic Bush record – that McCain has supported.

    McCain has been a Bush boolicker to get the nomination. He can’t even get 50% of his own parties vote after being the obvious nominee. Some appeal!

    McCain campaign highlights:

    bomb Iran song
    calling a student stupid
    going to Baghdad in a flak vest
    Being against torture before voting for torture
    Looking tired
    Looking more tired

  16. 21

    Puddybud, The Fact Finding Prognosticator... spews:

    rhp6033: For the last time drop this lie: “ailed miserably to so much as deliver water to the SuperDome for several days.”

    The American Red Cross wrote on their web site the Louisiana National Guard blocked seven tractor trailers full of water and food to the Superdome under orders of Kathleen Blanco ex guvnur of LA.

    If you would take a few minutes and learn the facts you’d be a better person.

    You must hang with Pelletizer getting lessons in revisionist history…

  17. 22

    spews:

    Great title and subtitle I wanted to pass along from an article in Rolling Stone…

    The Chicken Doves. Elected to end the war, Democrats have surrendered to Bush on Iraq and betrayed the peace movement for their own political ends.

    Sorry for going off topic. I just loved that title. Chicken Doves.

  18. 23

    correctnotright spews:

    @18 Puddy: Ms. Rice ain’t running and wouldn’t have a chance after the way she handled Iraq. I think she is classy and intelligent – but she has made some real whopper mistakes.

    Colin Powell also embarassed himself by association with Bush – the kiss of death for any politician is association with bush.

    I used to like Colin Powell too – but rumsfeld and cheney ran him into the ground and made him give that pathetic UN speech on Iraq. No wmd’s has pretty much screwed Powell and “mushroom cloud” Rice.

  19. 24

    correctnotright spews:

    @22: It is the chicken hawks (bush, cheney) – who never fought) who started this unnecessary war and the democrats who will have to clean up the mess and end it.

  20. 25

    Lynne spews:

    I know this sounds dumb, but coming November I just can’t vote for Obama and its because I resent him (one) and (2) haven’t heard much more than talk out of his mouth. He won’t beable to get us out of Iraq, I don’t care what he promises. He won’t get my kids health insurance, its all lip service, but mostly I resent him because before I die I wanted to see a women in the White House in some other capacity than a good hostess. I’m of that age that if Hillary doesn’t make it, I maybe alive in 8 more year, but whether Ill be cogitative is another story.
    In my 65 years, I can’t remember voting for someone I really truly felt would make a good president, I always voted for the lesser of two evils and I’m just not going to do it again.
    I’ll work for Darcy, I’ll give my month to Cantwell but I wont be voting for Obama

  21. 26

    Tlazolteotl spews:

    @7: Puttybutt,

    Why on earth should ByeByeGOP or anyone else have to give a cite, when you never do for all those those talking points you pull out of your backside? IOKIYAR is dead, in case you haven’t heard, so put up or shut up.

    And dude, you have some issues with women, don’t you? I know, just stating the obvious.

  22. 27

    Tlazolteotl spews:

    @18 Did you google to see if there was anything about how completely incompetent Dr. Rice has been first as National Security Advisor and then as Secretary of State? No, I thought not.

  23. 28

    spews:

    @25,

    I understood everything you said, except the part where you said you “resent” him. Could you explain that?

    I also think you’ve swallowed the Clinton Koolaid when you say all Obama does is talk. You need to learn how to think critically and independently. It sounds like you’re the kind of person who tends to believe whatever you’re told.

  24. 29

    correctnotright spews:

    Puddy:
    Here is the FEMA response to the lack of water, testimony before congress (and FEMA can direct the national guard):

    “The only FEMA official on the scene in the early stages, Marty Bahamonde, has testified to Congress that he begged FEMA director Michael Brown for water, food, toilet paper and oxygen, saying that “many will die within hours.” Brown’s press secretary, Sharon Worthy, responded that the FEMA director needed more time to eat dinner at a Baton Rouge restaurant that evening. “He needs much more that [sic] 20 or 30 minutes,” Worthy wrote. “Restaurants are getting busy,” she said. “We now have traffic to encounter to go to and from a location of his choise [sic], followed by wait service from the restaurant staff, eating, etc.” Let them eat gumbo.”

    Brownie (Heckuva good job, said bush of this sorry political crony appointments work in New Orleans) needed time for his dinner – screw the people of New Orleans – Brownie needed his dinner.

  25. 30

    JamesA spews:

    Lynne – If you “haven’t heard much more than talk” from Obama, it’s either because you are not listening, or because you are too lazy to do even the most simplest of research. He has extremely detailed plans on nearly every issue and, in my opinion, his plans are superior to and have a better chance of being implemented than Hillary’s.

    I also would like to vote for a woman some day, but I want a change from the polarizing dynasties that have been ruling America for nearly 16 years. I also think it would be nice to elect a woman other than Hillary… someone that actually made it on their own and didn’t have to rely on her husbands power and influence to get her foot in the door. And there are plenty of those women out there, and they will get elected, it’s just not going to be Hillary.

    It’s sad and telling that the strongest arguement you seem to have is that “before I die I wanted to see a women in the White House”. Frankly, I have heard this arguement before, and it’s incredibly selfish.

  26. 31

    correctnotright spews:

    @25: You are right Lynne – it does sound dumb. You may want a woman as president – but the bigger question is who will be the best president. Hillary has not shown leadership and the ability to unite people. She would encounter more resistance to getting out of Iraq than Obama. she would be less likely to beat McCain and carries more negative baggage.

    Not voting for Obama will put in McCain – and he wants to be in Iraq for what? 100 years? And health care – kiss it good bye with McCain. Hillary had her chance with health care and messed it up – what makes you think she would do better this time?

    As for talk – have you actually been to Obama’s web site – he has extensive policy details on health care and the war. He just said in a speech we will be out of Iraq if he is president – did you hear that?

    Really – what you are saying is (and what it comes down to) – I want a woman and if Hillary is not elected I will pout and not vote. I would love to vote for a woman – but Hillary is not the one to win it. Doesn’t it negate equal rights to base your decision solely on gender?

  27. 32

    Daddy Love spews:

    1 Pud

    The “real news” (which apparently you never got) is that the primary vote doesn’t count.

  28. 34

    Daddy Love spews:

    17 NIS

    Caucus turnout is not a representative sample of registered voters. If anything, it is a measure of “energized” voters; a measure of who is so intensely interested and committed that greater numbers of them will put forth greater efforts for their candidates.

    By that measure, that type of Democratic voters do far outnumber the demoralized and half-hearted Republicans.

  29. 35

    rhp6033 spews:

    Puddy said: “The American Red Cross wrote on their web site the Louisiana National Guard blocked seven tractor trailers full of water and food to the Superdome under orders of Kathleen Blanco ex guvnur of LA.”

    Your not getting off that easy. First I’ve heard of that attempt to blame the Democrats for Katrina, . I don’t believe it. Sounds like something out of a wingnut web site, or typical Karl Rove spin. I suspect that if tractor-trailers were stopped, there is quite a bit more to the story – the roads they were on were impassable (but others were not), they were arriving late (the Superdome already having been evacuated), etc. You are going to have to do a lot better than that.

    By the way, although I support and respect the thousands of Red Cross volunteers and all the work that they do, the head of the organization has, for a long time, been co-opted by the Republicans, even before Elizabeth Dole was it’s chairwoman. It’s had lots of problems in leadership and fund-raising over the past ten years, and it’s response to the Katrina disaster was a black eye in an otherwise grand history of that organization. It wouldn’t surpise me that the leadership might try to put out some excuses on its web site to excuse their poor performance (on a national headquarters level). That doesn’t mean it’s true.

    Besides, when has the Red Cross been part of FEMA’s organization? It hasn’t. FEMA has it’s own job to do, the Red cross is just supposed to supplement it.

    FEMA didn’t even start moving water in the direction of the SuperDome until the Thursday after the hurricane hit (Sunday night/Monday morning), when the news media reported deaths occuring at the Superdome and asking when FEMA was going to “do something”, and everybody looked incredulous when Bush had that “deer in the headlights” expression, and shrugged his soldiers, and said that this was the first he had heard of a problem at the Superdome (which by then had been reported by several news organizations on-site for several days), and argued that nobody could have anticipated this problem (despite a multi-series article in the New Orleans newspaper the year before, predicting exactly this disaster). E-Mails between Brown and others indicated that nobody at FEMA thought about moving water towards New Orleans, althogh there were a lot of discussions about what Brown should be wearing during his news conferences, and the importance of him eating his dinner uninterrupted, and how hard it is to find a good restaurant in Baton Rouge.

    In the meantime, Bush & Co. saw Katrina not as a natural disaster made worse by completely incompetent government response. They saw it as a public relations problem. But they had left the public relations to Karl Rove for most of Bush’s presidency, and Rove was on vacation. By the time he arrived, the damage had already been done. The public had already had a peak behind the curtain, and they saw that Bush & Co. were completely divorced from reality.

  30. 37

    rhp6033 spews:

    And as for Rice, you will notice that I didn’t say anything negative about her, other than that her support for Bush’s Iraq policy may well have doomed her political career. I was going to make a comparison to Hubert Humprhey, who saw his presidential ambitions hindered by the necessity that he support Johnson’s Vietnam policy, thereby depriving him of much of the vote he needed from his own party. I didn’t, just because it was taking the discussion down that path was a diversion from my main point, which was how Bush has managed to ruin the careers of many of the younger appointees.

  31. 39

    spews:

    I’m going to put in a pitch for being nicer to Puddy here, and even manage to stay (somewhat) on topic.

    With the results of the latest batch of primaries and caucuses, the poor fellow has been reduced to comments about how Senator Clinton didn’t lose by as much in the primary as she did in the caucus.

    He’s been unable to really drum up much anger around here, because even the most enthusiastic supporters of Senator Obama tend to agree that either of our candidates would make a pretty good President, and most of us could happily vote for either one.

    And while a few of the Clinton supporters around here have been less flexible, most of them that I spoke with at the caucus and in other discussions have voiced much the same opinion.

    This was the overall tone of our caucuses, and was reflected in the primary. We’ve got two really good candidates, and whichever of them ends up going back to the Senate, they will be joined by Senator McCain.

    Poor Puddy is left with a Republican candidate that his wing of the party seems to dislike intensely, to the point where some of them have switched to supporting Senator Clinton.

    So, let’s all take a moment and give a bit of sympathy to dear old Puddy, who makes our conversations here so amusing.

    ——

    OK, the moment is over. We can go back to either ignoring him or ripping his “arguments” to shreds, depending on our mood.

  32. 40

    rhp6033 spews:

    And yes, I know my spelling is bad. When I am preparing something important, I use spell check. But there isn’t a spell check available on this forum, and since these posts will be ignored within a day or so, I usually don’t take the time to do it here.

  33. 41

    Daddy Love spews:

    39 JB

    I don’t want to forget to throw in the McCain didn’t even get 50% of Republican voters here in WA even though he is the clear nominee. It’s a lame performance even among his own people. Obama will pwn him.

  34. 42

    busdrivermike spews:

    Bush at 19%! That would put him behind Romney, McCain and Huckleberry in a primary contest.

    Don’t worry Puddy, he would still beat Ron Paul.

  35. 43

    spews:

    @2 Puddy

    Drop the fucking Republican foul mouth!

    You know damn well what the term jackboots means. If you need to call other Americans nazi’s, do it on the men’s room wall!

  36. 44

    spews:

    Sez Daddy Love:

    17 NIS

    Caucus turnout is not a representative sample of registered voters. If anything, it is a measure of “energized” voters; a measure of who is so intensely interested and committed that greater numbers of them will put forth greater efforts for their candidates.

    By that measure, that type of Democratic voters do far outnumber the demoralized and half-hearted Republicans.

    With which I completely agree.

    But I was talking about turnout in the primary. As I write, it’s a bit under 520,000 on the Democratic side, somewhat more than 380,000 for the Republicans. So almost 58% of the votes were in the meaningless Democratic primary rather than the delegate-distributing Republican one.

  37. 46

    YLB spews:

    Bush job approval rating sinks to 19%!!

    Stupes, get on the horn to your r/w bullshit buddies. This means 81% of the people have the BDS virus.

    Otherwise known as being sane.

  38. 47

    YLB spews:

    I know you voted for Mr Two Americas in the primary along with other admitted 16%ers here.

    You don’t know shit. Did you vote for Mumbles “My friends” McCain?

  39. 48

    slingshot spews:

    It’s the reality of the turnout numbers that has the right wing loonies in wounded animal mode. We can refer to it as the impending tsumani, if you will. Remember that when approaching a wounded animal, it’s best to use extreme caution; no weapons in hand, no threatening gestures or posture, etc. Approaching the wounded republican is much the same. However do not confront the beast with facts, common sense or recent historical recaps of their party/philosophy’s failures. This will result in extreme irrational behaviors such as chest beating while bleating “Clinton fault”, “9/11″, or “mushroom cloud”. Be careful out there.

  40. 49

    Laura in WA spews:

    You decidedly skipped over the real news. How close Heilary was to Obama in the primary vote, within 3.09% vs the caucii vote of 68-32 Obama. Why is that?

    I don’t think this is very meaningful at all (though I’m sure Hillary’s people will try to spin it as important.) The fact is that telling voters that an election is of no consequence will distort the results (which is why counting the delegates in Michigan and Florida would not be not “fair and evenhanded” — especially not in Michigan since Obama wasn’t even on the ballot, but also in Florida even though he was.)

    Look, since the Democratic primary was meaningless as far as delegates and the Republican primary was not, many independents may have decided they wanted their vote to matter and voted for McCain (perfectly legal as long as they didn’t caucus for Dems and “considered themselves Republicans” at the moment they signed their statement.) Others probably stayed home since they couldn’t honestly claim to be Republicans and the Democratic election didn’t matter. One of my coworkers has several friends who said they didn’t want to “waste a stamp” mailing in their meaningless Democratic absentee ballots! Also, independents probably make up a very large percentage of the people who didn’t sign their statements out of protest — thus preventing their votes from counting. And, as we’ve seen, independents tend to lean heavily toward Obama over Clinton.

    It’s really beginning to look like Obama may be our nominee. And I think most Democrats would be VERY happy if that could happen WITHOUT a brokered convention and nasty fights over superdelegates — one reason why I’m thinking (or at least hoping) that Texas and Ohio may decide it’s time to wrap this thing up and vote for Obama.

  41. 50

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    “It’s been obvious for some time that November is going to see an historic election, with either a woman or a black man heading the Democratic ticket”

    Meanwhile, the Repubs are running a hard-drinking, womanizing white guy who made lousy college grades and would have been a dishwasher without his family connections.

  42. 51

    correctnotright spews:

    19% think Bush is doing a good job – well that is republican base.

    the 19% delusional sycophants who think:

    Iraq was a good decision
    the economy is doing “great”
    the average worker is better off than 8 years ago
    Health care is the best in the world
    the budget deficit shrinks under republicans
    torture is good for america

    Illegal spying and wiretapping is fine and the constitution give the president unlimited power to subvert the constitution.

    Corruption and Abramoff are fine and that Abramoff must have been a democrat.

    Lying to congress, the american people and to the world is OK.

    WMDs are still in Iraq – we just haven’t found them.

    The USAA’s serve at the pleasure of the president and that means that justice is based on party affiliation.

    al Qaeda is not a problem.

    Democracy is on the increase in the middle east since the invasion of Iraq and that is a good thing in Pakistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, the gaza strip and Iran.

  43. 55

    correctnotright spews:

    @44: the meaningless Democratic primary draws more voters than the republican primary that counts – are you kidding me?

  44. 57

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Another prominent Republican, Low Tax Looper, hoped voters WOULDN’T vote for a dead guy. After murdering his opponent he was the only candidate on the ballot. But his belief this made him a shoo-in proved a miscalculation; the dead guy’s widow won 96% of the vote as a write-in candidate, and the only thing Looper got was free room and board for the rest of his life.

  45. 58

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @5 “Pelletizer how does that Heilary endorsement feel?”

    I’d rather be me than you, puddinghead.

  46. 59

    Laura in WA spews:

    Roger Rabbit says:

    @1 What “Sabbath activities”? The cauci were on a Saturday.

    Well, Jewish people and Seventh-Day Adventists observe the Sabbath on Saturday. However, religious obligations were one of the three “exceptions” (at least at the Democratic caucus) that would allow a person to send a proxy rather than appear in person. The other two exceptions, I believe, were for medical reasons or military service. (If they keep the caucus system, I’d like to see them add “not being able to get out of work” to that list, since many people have to work on Saturdays!)

  47. 60

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @4 I think that was Stalin. Or maybe Hitler. Hard to tell the difference between Stalin, Hitler, or the GOP these days.

  48. 62

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @17 It’s Democratic enough, even when the Repubs turn out, and I have a strong feeling that dispirited crowd will sulk this year.

  49. 63

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @22 Trust us, troll, our grass-roots disgust with our congressional leaders is NOT going to work to YOUR advantage.

  50. 64

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @35 Puddy’s remark is just another example of how Republicans “take personal responsibility” (NOT). They swagger a lot, but don’t walk the talk.

  51. 65

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @59 He never said his sister was Jewish or attending synagogue (or church). He said she had to work. The “Sabbath” remark was a wisecrack of some sort, but one that doesn’t make any sense, given that the caucuses were on a Saturday, not a Sunday.

  52. 67

    cmiklich spews:

    Golly RR @ 60:

    Did you go to public school? That’s the only way you could confuse conservatism w/ Socialism or Communism, both LEFT-WING (like the democrat party).

    Old saying: Never count your chickens. Osama will be outed for the drug-doing, homosexual communist he is. That is, if the MSM cares anything about America.

    BTW, getting lots of positive comments about the shirt I’m wearing here @ work today (I know you commie-demos don’t know what “work” is. Put it this way: It’s the opposite of collecting welfare): “Remember 9/11. Because the Democrats have already forgotten.”

  53. 69

    The Blatantly Obvious spews:

    I nominate post @ 67 as the most delusional bit of wingnut poofery as I have seen in awhile. And with Buddypud, Pooper and Mark the Retard Redneck still posting here, that says a lot!

    And the line

    getting lots of positive comments about the shirt I’m wearing here @ work today … : “Remember 9/11. Because the Democrats have already forgotten.”

    In a real workplace (not the imaginary place cmiklich is pretending he goes to) a t-shirt like that would get you reprimanded, and perhaps fired.

  54. 70

    spews:

    Lynne

    Lynn I can understand your feelings and will not make yet another appeal that you vote for BHOvs. HRC.

    Instead, let me suggest a scenario that wold be wonderful for all of us …Imagine BHO as President and HRC as Senate Majority Leader working together to repair the damages of the Bush era! The prospect for both History and … more importantly .. the nation and the world would be far greater than either could achieve alone!

    I suggest the idea of Der Fueherer is a male idea that may not be valid today. As female traditions become a normal part of our culture, maybe teamwork IS possible?

    Frankly, I think HRC would be winning if she did not have the remains of the tar and feather coat inflicted byt the all t real right wing conspiracy. If anything, I think the otne of her campaign has hurt her by evoking some of that and, yes, she does suffer from sexism while BHO seems to have transcended the race issue .. possibly building on the successes of Tiger Woods and Bill Clark and Oprah.

    So, I agree we still have way to go before gender is a neutral issue. That said, I do not believe that prejudice and slander vs. HRC isa reaon to retaliate vs, Obama.

    Let me try to deal with a few specifics:

    Most of the charges about policy differences between the two are BS.

    1. Healthcare The programs are, despite Paul Krugman’s handwringing, very similar. Obama’s version requires insurance for everyone under 26. This covers children and the group most likley to not want to buy insurance. His plan, like Hillary’s, is vague on the penalties issues. If you get sick under Obama’s program (and are over 26 and not covered) there will have to be some penalty but what that might be is not clear. Similarly, her program, if enacted as written, would effectively be a tax with penalties like the current nes if you do not pay the tax. The problme with this model is that the prosed tax is a flat tax! I.e. it is regressive.

    Hopefully, in the real world the real program will utilize elements of both programs.

    2. Rheotric vs Specifics Hillary is simply hyping. On every issue I know of, they both have plans, generally similar ones. Where there aee differences, e.g. on Social Security, there are reasonable argu arguments on bityh sides. CONSTRUCTIVE arguments. For example, BHO advocates makinhg the Soc Sec tax progressive to inlcrease income thus alleviating the expected crisis. HRC does not agreee with this but has no presented an alternative plan.

    3. Foreign Policy This is a hard one. NEITHER one has issued much more than platitudes. I think this is ebcause they both realize that campaign statements can cause great harm once in office. Unoike the right, our side is realistic and responsible.

    FWIW, my opoinion here is that the key issues on both sides will be who they choose as S of State and Nat Sec. Advisor. Both have top notch people in the adviser roles now. (I prefer the folks in the bHO camp, but am also hoping he chooses Clark as SOS.)

    Bottom line: There is no question that HRC and BHO are both talented people and that both have a lot to offer.

    HRC IS more of a proven quantity. Moreover,like some others at DL, I do feel she has been hurt by a feckless, unpatriotic right wing smear machine. If you ask my Dad about her (he is 95 and an ex Dem), he spouts a lot of Rovian nonsense he reads in the Boston Herald. My sense of personal justice says to me “support HRC!”

    BHO is a lot more of a proven quantity than HRC’s campagin hype says. He is oart of a very impressive communityn iof young intellectuals. Early on I decided to support him because of the recommendations by Nora Ephron, Ethel Kennedy and Brezhinski. I am also very impressed by Caroline Kennedy’s recommendation and by the comments I have read form people in Chicago who have worked with him. The organization of hid campaign also says something good about him.

    Can I finish with an appeal to patritotism?

    If HRC does not become President and chooses (as I am sure she will be offered the VP) not to be Veep then President, imagine instead an era where she and BHO work together! To the extent HRC goes down in history as a great person, history does not only elevate Presidents to greatness, it elevates leaders. Hamilton, Franklin, MLK, Chavez, Brandeis, Warren, Seward, Kissinger, Marshall, .. all of these figure in our history at the same level as the great Presidents.

  55. 71

    JamesA spews:

    cm… the big difference between Obama’s drug use, and George Bush’s drug use, is that Obama is at least honest about it. W, on the other hand, was born with a silver spoon up his nose and doesn’t have the honesty or courage to talk about his own failings.

    And I’ve worked with chicken-shit cowards like you all my life, and I’m sure people are laughing behind your back, but you’re too stupid to notice.

    I remember 9/11 very well. It’s the day the coward in chief and his goosestepping lemmings, decided they were so scared of the islamic boogeyman, that we needed to start shredding the constitution, torturing on enemies and spying on Americans. One word for that: Yellow!

  56. 72

    spews:

    Laura:

    “If they keep the caucus system, I’d like to see them add “not being able to get out of work” to that list, since many people have to work on Saturdays!

    A similar sentiment was voiced by a lady who sings in my church choir. She was (and is) an active Democrat and supporter of Senator Obama, but she felt left out of the process since she had to work that day.

    She also did not understand that her vote would have been counted even if all she could do was show up and sign the register, then go. She’d seen the news stories about how it would take a couple of hours.

    While I’m opposed to opening the process to the point where folks can just mail in their votes, we need to find a way to include anyone that wants to participate in the process.

  57. 73

    Richard Pope spews:

    The change in presidential primary numbers from 2000 to 2008 is particularly significant. Back in 2000, the Republicans had overwhelming turnout in their primary in Washington, compared with Democrats. I have posted the numbers from February 2000 below from the WA SOS.

    Back in 2000, roughly 500,000 people signed for the Republican ballot, versus 300,000 for the Democratic ballot. There was also an unaffiliated ballot, on which Republicans outpolled Democrats by 330,000 to 180,000.

    The basic rules haven’t changed since 2000. The Democratic delegates were determined by caucus in both years, with the primary being a mere beauty contest. The Republican primary in 2008 is somewhat more significant than it was in 2000 — determining 19 out of 37 delegates this year, instead of 12 out of 37 delegates eight years ago.

    In addition, it was much more obvious this year that the Democratic primary was merely a beauty contest. In 2000, the primary was held a week before the caucuses, so people might have believed it actually determined something. In 2008, the primary was held 10 days after the caucuses, with the news media having prominently informed everyone that the Democratic delegates had already been decided.

    Considering all this, the drop in the Republican share of the presidential primary vote from 63% in 2000 to 42% in 2008 is especially significant.

    February 2000 Primary

    President – Democratic Primary
    Candidate Party Votes Percentage
    Al Gore D 202456 68.17%
    Bill Bradley D 93375 31.44%
    Lyndon H. LaRouche D 1170 0.39%

    President – Republican Primary
    Candidate Party Votes Percentage
    George W. Bush R 284053 57.83%
    John McCain R 191101 38.91%
    Alan Keyes R 11753 2.39%
    Steve Forbes R 1749 0.36%
    Gary Bauer R 1469 0.30%
    Orrin Hatch R 1023 0.21%

    President – Unaffiliated Primary
    Candidate Party Votes Percentage
    John McCain R 208879 40.08%
    George W. Bush R 118234 22.68%
    Al Gore D 107950 20.71%
    Bill Bradley D 69352 13.31%
    Alan Keyes R 9369 1.80%
    Steve Forbes R 3387 0.65%
    Lyndon H. LaRouche D 1406 0.27%
    Gary Bauer R 1401 0.27%
    Orrin Hatch R 1240 0.24%

  58. 74

    Daddy Love spews:

    73 RP

    Yes, I believe that in 2000, Republicans were determined to win back the presidency, and that Democrats were somewhat fatigued. I also believe that this year Democrats are extremely determined to win back the presidency, and that supporters of King 19% Approval are extremely fatigued. This year, Democrats will outraise, outspend, outwork, out-turnout, and outvote Republicans nearly everywhere. It’s gonna be a real hard year for Republicans seeking office.

    McCain = toast

    oh, and Reichert = toast

    gee, and Rossi=toast

  59. 75

    Richard Pope spews:

    Okay, this is off-topic, but I couldn’t resist posting it. Maybe My Left Foot is responsible for this mysterious problem …

    3 right feet found in running shoes … but whose?

    The Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) and the British Columbia Coroners Service are investigating three cases of washed-up right feet inside running shoes. The latest was discovered on a beach on the east side of Valdes Island on Feb. 8.

    The first foot was found washed ashore on Jedediah Island on Aug. 20, and six days later a second was found on Gabriola Island.

    Both were in size-12 runners. No information on the size of the shoe of the third foot has been released.

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....et19m.html

  60. 77

    Bagdad Bush spews:

    What will happen is exactly what happened the last time we bitch-slapped the GOP. The right wingers will disappear for a while from this board – running from the shame that is associated with being a republican idiot. I look forward to that.

  61. 78

    Sempersimper spews:

    But then they’ll be back shrieking about the “stolen elections” and “dead voters” and so on….and on, and on.

    People like Piper and Puddy are addicted to this blog, and congenitally incapable of silence.

  62. 79

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @67 I have no trouble at all comparing Republicans to Nazis or Stalinists these days. You guys aren’t the party of Eisenhower anymore (and haven’t been for a long time):

    “YELLOW SPRINGS, Ohio (AP) – Republican presidential candidate John McCain said President Bush should veto a measure that would bar the CIA from using waterboarding and other harsh interrogation methods on terror suspects.”

    http://news.aol.com/story/_a/m.....0909990048

    Don’ t like being compared to the Gestapo or KGB? Then stop behaving like them.

  63. 82

    Daddy Love spews:

    Oh, and I repeat my prediction that the last man standing in Iraq will be Muqtada al-Sadr. For the metaphor-challenged among you, that means I think he will be the eventual “leader” in Iraq, whatever that means and whatever is left of Iraq at that time.

  64. 83

    Daddy Love spews:

    John McCain McCain thinks when ‘only’ 4 US troops are wounded in a single day in Iraq, or when only 15 Iraqi police are killed in mortar strikes in a single day, that is a sign of ‘calm’ and that the ‘surge is working’ in Iraq, and it is all right for us to put up with these US casualties for the next 100 years and spend $9 billion a month on this boondoggle for his friends in Houston. McCain somehow even manages to celebrate the defeat of al-Qaeda in Iraq at the same time as he insists the US has to stay in Iraq a hundred years to fight al-Qaeda! Which is it? Either the surge has failed in its goals or it has succeeded. If it has succeeded, why do we have to stay? If it has failed, when will it succeed?

    Stolen with impunity from http://www.juancole.com/2008/0.....ry-in.html
    Read the whole thing to get all the Pakistani history and politics you can stand.

  65. 84

    Daddy Love spews:

    Good line from Juan Cole, BTW:

    “Bush and Cheney put most of their eggs in the basket of a military dictator, Pervez Musharraf, who has been on a self-destructive downward spiral during the past year that makes Amy Winehouse look level-headed.”

  66. 85

    correctnotright spews:

    @67 Cmklich:

    Who is the president that has forgotten 9/11? Who has stated that Bin laden is not important? who didn’t go after Bin laden in Afghanistan – and instead delegated the Northern Alliance to do the job Americans should have done? Who started an unnecessary war in Iraq instead of going after Bin laden? who kept trying to link Sadaam and 9/11 even though there ARE NO LINKS? Who has wasted america’s influence and sympathy in the world so much that we can’t even get europeans to help us in Afghanistan now?

    Gee- wear the stupid shirt and ask why Bush isn’t interested in 9/11 and bin Laden. Democrats haven’t forgotten 9/11 – Bush has forgotten it. And then Bush has forgotten our constitution by illegal spying and torture that don’t make us more secure.

    I guess in your warped universe you feel safer that Bin Laden is still out there – and need to blame democrats for the failings of Bush. WAKE UP!

  67. 86

    cmiklich spews:

    A guy walks into a bank (or ANYWHERE). Says he’s got a gun. Do you wait ’til he shows it to you? Hell no. You blow him away.

    Saddam said he had a gun. Oops. He shouldn’t have done that. BTW, what exactly was that facility in Syria that the Israelis blew up? Oh, that’s right. It was NUCLEAR PLANT FOR MAKING WEAPONS! Thank God for the real Jews (not like the ones posting on this blog)!

    As for the Democrats being strong on terrorists, the best examples are the last 2 Democrat presidents. Carter couldn’t surrender fast enough. And Clinton never did strike back at ‘em. Too busy acting like an adolescent.

    Barry Osama/Obama (whichever, his middle name is still HUSSEIN!) will allow/enable the worst disaster this country has EVER SEEN. In the real universe, the USA hasn’t been attacked since 9/11 (BTW, all of those terrorists came in under Clinton).

    Thank God for George W. Bush. And, who cares if some ragheads get their beards wet?

  68. 87

    YLB spews:

    Forget cmklich, he doesn’t come here that often but he’s as loony bananas as the right wing gets.

  69. 88

    Puddybud, The Fact Finding Prognosticator... spews:

    Tlazolteotl says:

    @18 Did you google to see if there was anything about how completely incompetent Dr. Rice has been first as National Security Advisor and then as Secretary of State? No, I thought not.

    This is a liberal blog. Pelletizer can show you Door #1 again. Not my yob to Google that above. You should have and told us all about it.

  70. 89

    Puddybud, The Fact Finding Prognosticator... spews:

    Ms Tlazolteotl, Garbage Eater (name definition): BBG didn’t give a reference.

    Puddy gives references tout le temps. If you’d check them you’d see they are not from my ass. My brain sits upon my neck connected to my shoulders. The malady to which you refer to is the major problem with 16%ers here. It is called ASSFacia. You know where you face has been up you ASS so long that when you finally pull it back out you bowels don’t know which way to move.

  71. 90

    Puddybud, The Fact Finding Prognosticator... spews:

    rhp6033: I always have to clean up your piles of pellets:

    http://www.redcross.org/faq/0,.....24,00.html

    Disaster FAQs

    Hurricane Katrina: Why is the Red Cross not in New Orleans? [Posted Sept. 2, 2005]

    * Access to New Orleans is controlled by the National Guard and local authorities and while we are in constant contact with them, we simply cannot enter New Orleans against their orders.

    * The state Homeland Security Department had requested–and continues to request–that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans following the hurricane. Our presence would keep people from evacuating and encourage others to come into the city.

    * The Red Cross has been meeting the needs of thousands of New Orleans residents in some 90 shelters throughout the state of Louisiana and elsewhere since before landfall. All told, the Red Cross is today operating 149 shelters for almost 93,000 residents.

    * The Red Cross shares the nation’s anguish over the worsening situation inside the city. We will continue to work under the direction of the military, state and local authorities and to focus all our efforts on our lifesaving mission of feeding and sheltering.

    * The Red Cross does not conduct search and rescue operations. We are an organization of civilian volunteers and cannot get relief aid into any location until the local authorities say it is safe and provide us with security and access.

    * The original plan was to evacuate all the residents of New Orleans to safe places outside the city. With the hurricane bearing down, the city government decided to open a shelter of last resort in the Superdome downtown. We applaud this decision and believe it saved a significant number of lives.

    * As the remaining people are evacuated from New Orleans, the most appropriate role for the Red Cross is to provide a safe place for people to stay and to see that their emergency needs are met. We are fully staffed and equipped to handle these individuals once they are evacuated.

    Who controlled them Kathleen Blanco. If you called the National Affairs office of the Red Cross (202-303-5551) and spoke with Red Cross spokesperson Lesly Simmons, she would have told you that the shipment was not turned away by the US Dept of Homeland Security, but the Louisiana Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness (LHLS & EP) and is under the Louisiana Military Department controlled by Kathleen Blanco.

    See ya.

  72. 94

    Puddybud, The Fact Finding Prognosticator... spews:

    More at you rhp6033: Since I don’t read the liberal kool-aid as gospel:

    Why didn’t the National Guard evacuate the people at the Superdome and Convention Center sooner?

    http://www.defenselink.mil/tra.....-3850.html

    Puddy, one of the small group of voices truth cleaning the lefty lie Pellets left here.

  73. 95

    Puddybud, The Fact Finding Prognosticator... spews:

    rhp6033: I stated Mike Brown was incompetent. But Kathleen Blanco and Ray Nagin made some dumb decisions.

  74. 97

    Puddybud, The Fact Finding Prognosticator... spews:

    SeattleJew says: @2 Puddy Drop the fucking Republican foul mouth! You know damn well what the term jackboots means. If you need to call other Americans nazi’s, do it on the men’s room wall!

    SeattleJew: Search HorsesASSHoles and witness who was the first , second, third, fourth, fifth and sixth to use that term here.

    THEY WERE ALL DONKEYS. First up was headless lucy.

  75. 98

    Joe King is really GBS spews:

    Do you think McCain will ask the famous question during the Presidential debates?

    You know, “Are you better off now then you were 8 years ago?”

    Answer: Fuck no he won’t ask it. That would be political suicide. Oh, and to get caught having an affair right about now wouldn’t be too good either. Wonder how “proud” McCain’s wife would be of him IF he were, you know, caught having a Monica moment.

    Baaa haaa haaaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa

    Fuck there is a God.

  76. 99

    Daddy Love spews:

    86 c…

    A guy walks into a bank (or ANYWHERE). Says he’s got a gun. Do you wait ’til he shows it to you? Hell no. You blow him away.
    Way to set it up falsely, dude.

    Let’s say, instead, “It’s like a guy walks into abank. Says he has a gun. Teams of experts in the field swarm over the man, his home, his workplace, and everywhere he’s ever been, and say that they find no evidnce that he has a gun, gun parts, gun precursors, or any way to buy a gun. You blow him away. You go to fucking jail for murder.

    Oh no, I mean, you ge re-elected.

  77. 100

    Daddy Love spews:

    John McCain fucks a woman not his wife, and in fact writes letters on her behalf to to persuade government regulators to favor her business. Has he done anything wrong?

    Fuck no, he’s the Straight Talker™!

  78. 101

    spews:

    cmiklich said:

    A guy walks into a bank (or ANYWHERE). Says he’s got a gun. Do you wait ’til he shows it to you? Hell no. You blow him away.

    Saddam said he had a gun. Oops. He shouldn’t have done that. BTW, what exactly was that facility in Syria that the Israelis blew up? Oh, that’s right. It was NUCLEAR PLANT FOR MAKING WEAPONS! Thank God for the real Jews (not like the ones posting on this blog)!

    No, wait. Saddam said he didn’t have a “gun”. Several times. The inspectors said that Saddam didn’t have a “gun”. Bush said he had a “gun”.

    Here’s an example. Sidd walks into a bank. Geo tells everyone that Sidd has a gun. Sidd is a really unpleasant fellow, and he has done bad things, but he says he doesn’t have a “gun”, and is willing to be searched.

    Other folks say “we should see if Sidd really has a gun”, whereupon Geo grabs a gun and shoots Sidd dead, killing a bunch of innocent bystanders in the process and generally destroying the bank.

    Then we find out that Sidd really didn’t have a gun. Oops. Sorry. But Sidd was really a bad person, so it’s ok, right?

    In the real world, we would start by checking on Geo’s sanity. There’s a pretty good chance that Geo’s elevator doesn’t make it to the top floor.

    Assuming that Geo isn’t just completely around the bend, we would send Geo off to some deep, dark hole where we might consider pumping in sunlight on alternate Shrove Tuesdays.

  79. 102

    Sempersimper spews:

    I don’t think your analysis will faze mr. cmiklich, John.
    He’s stranger than Thursday afternoon at the Cern LHC. He’d be a good companion for Puddy, if we could get them in the same dimension at the same time.

  80. 103

    spews:

    @cmichlick

    I assume your aspersions about “real jews” was meant for me?

    Tx a lot. Except, I am in fact very proud of the Israelis and ashamed of this government.

    As a Jew, I am ashamed of a President who spent nearly seven years with NO efforts to bring peace to Israelo and Palestine.

    As an American, I am ashamed of a President who used 9/11 to siphion money to the rich and make war on the backs of the rest of us.

    As a Jew, I am ashamed of a President who uses ethnic humor to dispaarge the French while trading dirty jokes with the Saudis.

    As a Jew, I am ashamed of any leader who would invade another country under the belief that hsi or her Christianity would somehow lead the way and cause the “good people of the invaded land to adopt democracy.

    As an American and a jew, I am angry at a leader who gets himsalf elected by swiftboating a true hero after being, himself, too cowardly to complete his own duty.

    Tell ya what, next time you wonder what a real Jew is remember this, we have a motto … NEVER AGAIN. Do you know what that means to us? Yeh .. it means we will NEVER AGAIN go to death camps, but it also means we will never again tolerate the kind of bigotry that led to Hitlerism.

    Tell, you what bubbelah, if you read my blog you might even figure out I supported the war. I would do so again, If the war were led by a competent, patriotic, government. Bush and his crew were neither. Bush is incompetent, plain and simple. Chaney and his brethren are unpatriotic, willing to trade their own countrymen for a buck!

    Y’all want more …. watch out fella because WE are taking over. We means the true Americans, the people who have fought for our ideals from the minute men and Crispus Attucks to Jefferson, Jackson, Douglas, the Roosevelts, Gompers, MLK, Kennedy, and yes … even the man you diss Jimmy! What uioted all these heroes was exactly the patriotism and devotoopn to ideals that your side sadly lacks.

    Obama is in that tradition. Hell so are HRC and John McC. John is wasteing his time, he is a good men leading a lost cause. He can not fix this country by leading the party of myths and privilge.

    So yeh … us real jews are proud od the Israelis and voting for the best guy to fight for oUR ideals, Barack Hussein Obama.

    be good.

  81. 105

    Puddybud, The Fact Finding Prognosticator... spews:

    Ahhh yes SeattleJew.

    You know what, I feel for you for a nanosecond. Sorry bub, my acnestors had flaming crosses on their front yards. In fact some of these leftist pinheads did it to an Arlington family a few years back. Spray paint cans? That was invented by NEW Progressives.

    This blog is full of lefties who spewed this crap and call us every name in the book. When we on the right use the same penned words back at you all of a sudden righteous indignation?

    Sorry SJ, call out your people … Meanwhile I’ll cry me a river…

  82. 106

    Puddybud, The Fact Finding Prognosticator... spews:

    Headless Sempersimper Lucy:

    Speaking of Time and Space Twilight Zones (hhere you live 24/7) I met Rod Serling in the 1970s with my girlfriend at the time. Short guy. Smart. Chain smoker. Died too young.

    He’d have a field day with you and your 17 names.

  83. 107

    Puddybud, The Fact Finding Prognosticator... spews:

    BTW SeattleJew, where were you and your cronies when “lynching” was recently discussed?

    See ya!

  84. 108

    cmiklich spews:

    Golly, Mr Jew: Mr GWB is saving the bacon (love that irony) of the Jews right now. ‘Cause the Mudlims (spelled correctly) wantcha all DEAD!

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20.....iranisrael

    Wake up, you idiot.

    BTW, there were 2 Roosevelts: TR (the good one) and FDR (the idiot who strengthened Stalin and gave us the Cold War).

    And JFK was an absolute idiot. From his failure at the Bay of Pigs, to Vienna where Khrushchev “owned” him and put up the Berlin Wall because of JFK’s hubris, to Oct, 1962 where JFK wound up surrendering our missile bases in Turkey. Thankfully, he was taken out before he surrendered the whole world to the USSR!!