Times’ slurpee gives me brain freeze

The solemn defenders of public civility at the Seattle Times editorial board spank the WA Dems today, arguing that “Ethnic slurs have no place in political advertising in our state.”

I don’t really disagree, and had the Dems called Dino Rossi a wop or a dago or a greaseball or a guinea or a spaghetti nigger, well, that would have been offensive, and clearly out of bounds. But they didn’t. They merely soundtracked a web video with the theme song to The Sopranos—a critically acclaimed TV show—because the tune was catchy, energetic and a well-paced fit to the accompanying footage… and I can only assume, because they wanted to highlight the fact that the political thugs at the BIAW are about as close as we come to mobsters in this state, at least in attitude, short of the actual Colacurcio crime family and their consiglieri (and proud Italian Club of Seattle member) Albert Rosellini.

Oops! Did I cross a line there by suggesting that former Gov. Rosellini has known mob connections? Does that constitute an ethnic slur, despite the supporting evidence, simply because Rosellini is Italian? (Apparently yes, judging from the way our local media gingerly dances around Rosellini’s connections to the Colacurcios and their mob activities out of fear of offending Italian-Americans… or, perhaps, getting whacked.)

Indeed, the very same day the Dems released their video, Rossi gave a stump speech in which he directly compared Gov. Gregoire’s policies to that of Tony Soprano, by name, and yet the Times didn’t find that slur “sleazy” because, I guess, Gregoire is of Irish descent. So by the Times’ standards, it is acceptable public discourse to groundlessly accuse Rossi of being a whiskey swilling drunk, but not Gregoire, whereas mob related epithets are okay when launched at our Irish-American governor, but not Rossi, or even actual Italian-American mobsters like the Colacurcios.

No really… I want to get this stuff straight, because after 16 years out here I’m still trying to wrap my mind around West Coast etiquette, and I wouldn’t want to offend anyone to the point where I’m beaten to a pulp with a baseball bat. (Though if I were, no doubt the genteel folks at the Times would write an editorial cheering my attacker.)

Clearly, I just don’t get it. I don’t get why, when complaining about “sleaze,” the Times sees fit to devote an entire Sunday editorial to attacking the Dems’ Sopranos reference yet don’t see the need to even mention Rossi’s. And, I don’t get why the Times’ editors think it’s so sleazy to highlight Rossi’s cozy relationship with BIAW along with that organization’s actual positions on actual issues, while totally ignoring BIAW’s insane rants linking environmentalism to Hitler, and equating BIAW’s own suffering under DOE’s stormwater regulations with that of the millions of Jews exterminated in Nazi death camps.

The Anti-Defamation League complained just as vociferously as the Italian Club of Seattle, so where was the editorial decrying that outrage, Mr. Blethen? I guess I must have missed it.

Jesus Christ, this isn’t some tawdry little blog here. The editors at the Times have the most widely read op/ed page in the state at their disposal, and this is what they choose to write about this Sunday? Not our collapsing economy or the Bush administration’s warmongering with Iran or illegal Justice Department hiring practices? Not an honest explication of the Spokane gaming compact and how they and the rest of the media got the story entirely backwards? No, Jim Vesely and his crew determined that the most important issues facing Seattle’s citizenry today are the declining standards of a college football team, and a four-day-old manufactroversy over a measly web video for chrissakes, and the failure of a political hack to apologize in strong enough terms.

(See Kelly, this is why I urged you not to back down over what was never intended to be an ethnic slur… because no matter how sincerely expiatory your apology, those goddamn Rossi-loving bastards at the Times were never going to give you any credit. Pussy.)

Of course on the bright side, the R’s mock outrage has clearly backfired, leading to over 12,000 views of a video that would have been seen no more than a few hundred times if not for the controversy. And yes, this is a good thing for the Dems, because whatever you think of the choice of music, the content of the video itself is compelling (and totally accurate) on its own. Go see for yourself here. Or check out my genuinely (and intentionally) offensive ethnic remixes here and here.

And as a final middle finger in the face of Seattle’s morbidly polite society, here’s yet another remix, this time with a tune that in no way references either organized crime or Rossi’s half-Italian heritage, yet somehow manages to be entirely appropriate to the video’s protagonists… not to mention the editors at the Times. Enjoy.

Comments

  1. 2

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Let it go Goldy–
    The Washington Voters are more interested in learning how Gregoire created this $2.5 BILLION Deficit out of a $1 BILLION Surplus….including why she hired 8000+ more State Employees, why she let go of a potential hunk of Tribal Gaming Revenue (while taking a huge donation), why she will negotiate any State Employee Salary increases during tough economic times (during which the Unions she is negotiating with spend $500,000 slamming Rossi for her) & what is the Underfunded Pension Liability ($7 BILLION now??) and what she will do about it.
    I think it is high time Gregoire came clean with Washington voters about this Fiscal TRAINWRECK SHE created and what SHE is going to do about it.

  2. 3

    ROTCODDAM spews:

    Isn’t it pretty clear by now that the Times Editorial Board longs to carve out an identity for themselves as somehow “politically independent” and maybe even just a little “edgy”?

    So they look around here in the PNW and they see that progressive Democrats largely prevail over the local political scene. They see lots of “Seattle process” and lots of “citizen study groups”. And so they decide, perhaps not consciously, to be a little bit contrarian and in their own perverse way a little “counter culture”. Kinda like The Stranger, only with a set of Pings in the trunk.

    Only problem is, unlike the folks at The Stranger, fuckers like Kate Riley, Ryan Blethen and Bruce Ramsey lack human souls. They aren’t born of woman like the rest of us. They are the nihilistic spawn of aluminum siding salesmen and Mary Kay reps hatched out of sanitized thermos bottles.

    I’m sure as they see it, bitching about every little thing that the WSDP does and cheering on meth heads with baseball bats lends them credibility. They can’t help but follow their natural instincts. And fundamentally, those are not human instincts. I can’t see that there is any point in criticizing the integrity of the Times Editorial Board at this point. You might as well criticize the ethics of a harvester ant.

  3. 4

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    Yeah Goldy, keep defending the use of the sopranos theme. Someday you might get why it’s offensive.
      
    It’s amazing how obtuse liberals act when their bigotry is outed.

  4. 6

    Seattle Jew spews:

    Unfortu7natelyn for CFG, this is not the first time she has been implicated in Rovian campaigning. Ask Ron Sims.

    OTOH, I am far more UPSET THAT rOSSI HAS CONDONED THE cLARK cO. nAZI.

  5. 7

    VolksMeinung spews:

    Get over it. This is ‘tantrum blogging’ at its finest. Whiny little bitches, all y’all.

    Reichert puts a woman in his add to depict marcy burner and you have a fucking tizzy over it.

  6. 8

    Mark1 spews:

    Oh I get it; Goldy only thinks its Ok when it is not in reference to a Jew. Hypocrisy at its finest!

  7. 9

    spews:

    Mark @8,

    If I’m a hypocrite than so is the Times, and I’ll take that trade off.

    That said, there’s no equivalency between using the theme song to the Sopranos and the Nazi bullshit the BIAW spews.

  8. 10

    zdp189 spews:

    If this is not bigoted, then certainly the infamous Willie Horton ad wasn’t either. Can’t have it both ways.

  9. 11

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Goldy, you seem a bit edgy lately.
    Not yourself..although that’s not necessarily a bad thing either.

    Goldy, when was the last time you had a real good piece of ass??
    I think that’s the problem.
    You need some gal to roll your eyes into the back of your noggin.
    You have all the classic symptoms of Excessive Semenal Backup (ESB)…..
    1) Threatening guys way bigger & tougher than your sorry little ass.
    2) Seeing Nazi’s under every BUSH! har-har
    3) Then you try to be real funny by launching a bunch of offensive references (“I don’t really disagree, and had the Dems called Dino Rossi a wop or a dago or a greaseball or a guinea or a spaghetti nigger, well, that would have been offensive, and clearly out of bounds. But they didn’t.”) under the guise of at least they didn’t say this.
    Kind of sick Goldy.

    Perhaps this political stuff has some unwanted consequences for you. Are your stools black? Is there blood in your urine??

    How are you supporting your daughter Goldy?
    Does she see the angry Jew in you??
    Hope you can compartmentalize all this sick shit you post away from your daughter.
    Something tells me she knows…..kids from broken families usually have their antenna up (especially with the absentee parent).

  10. 12

    ROTCODDAM spews:

    “If this is not bigoted,”

    It’s not

    “…then certainly the infamous Willie Horton ad wasn’t either.”

    In fact it was.

    There. Does that clear that up for you?
    Just ’cause you say something doesn’t make it so. You’d actually have to form an argument, providing some kind of rational analysis in support of your conclusion in order for it to have any persuasive value. Understand?

  11. 13

    spews:

    As always, CynicAL, when you’re on the losing side of an argument you go personal.

    If you want to get personal, be a man and come out from under your pseudonym. What are you so afraid of?

  12. 14

    My Left Foot spews:

    I just don’t get how the rightwingnuts do not get great satire. How can they not laugh at themselves.

    The rest of are laughing at them.

    Hey Al, when are you coming out from under your rock and into the light of day? Coward.

  13. 15

    ROTCODDAM spews:

    Darn!

    I was really hoping you would rise to his bait, Goldy, and proceed to compare recent sexual conquests.

    From what I hear, the crack-whore that Mr.Cynical has tied up in his basement is pretty amazing!

  14. 16

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Let’s simplify this. The fishwrapper’s editorial writers are hacks and partisan propagandists — like me, except on the other side of the fence, and without my cute pink nose and long pink ears.

  15. 17

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Somewhere in that editorial, hidden between the lines, is Frank Blethen’s secret desire to help Rossi get elected hoping that will lead to repeal of the state inheritance tax.

  16. 18

    spews:

    Roger @17,

    It’s no secret. The Times will endorse Rossi.

    I guess the editorialists have every right to be propagandists. I just wish they’d be honest and admit it.

  17. 20

    jeff spews:

    Hey Cynical–
    I’ll bet Goldy gets a stiffy when he talks tough. I think he is trying to light Darcy’s Burner.

  18. 21

    Daddy Love spews:

    Additional views aside, it was still stupid to use that theme when anyone with a brain could have told them that it would cause a flap among Italian-Americans that the press would latch onto and that in the process the message about the BIAW would be ignored. Funny? Sure, kinda. Politically smart? No fucking way.

  19. 22

    Daddy Love spews:

    Why do so many Republicans seem to consider sexual humiliation just part of a good day’s work?

  20. 23

    ByeByeGOP spews:

    Seems like CynCyn has an unnatural interest in young girls Goldy. Sufficient to out his IP address and let the rest of us hunt this cowardly cunt down and send him to justice.

  21. 24

    ByeByeGOP spews:

    By the Way Goldy BRILLIANT way to keep this topic up front – the righties fall for it, keeping the dialog going and all the time helping us remind folks that Rossi and the BIAW are running for Governor. NOT just Rossi.

  22. 25

    spews:

    I urge Goldy to step forth and say it would not be racist for the McCain campaign to score anti-Obama ad with the song Zippity Do Da.

  23. 27

    Puddybud spews:

    zdp189@10 spews: If this is not bigoted, then certainly the infamous Willie Horton ad wasn’t either. Can’t have it both ways.

    Remember Al Gore delivered Willie Horton. Plain and simple!

  24. 29

    Puddybud spews:

    Didn’t Gregoire’s sorry sorority reject black womin peeps? Did she leave that sorority?

  25. 30

    Robert KKK Byrd spews:

    29

    It’s a plus to be a racist if you are running for public office as a democrat.

  26. 32

    Robert KKK Byrd spews:

    Gregoire was PRESIDENT of a sorority that excluded blacks and Jews.

    Yeah, that’s called resume building. hahaha

  27. 33

    Lily spews:

    Rossi is the BIAW’s bitch. Or, he would be if he ever becomes governor. That’s not looking very likely, thank God and Goddess.

    Goldy, the new song on this ad is perfect!

  28. 35

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @13 What’s wrong with getting personal, Goldy? Kicking a wingnut in his nuts is as personal as you can get! We should do it every day!

  29. 36

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @18 “I just wish they’d be honest and admit it.”

    But then they’d look like propagandists instead of journalists.

  30. 38

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @26 I honestly believe you’re a liar, a shithead, and an idiot. Other than that, you’re not okay.

  31. 40

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @29 (continued) Hey Puddy, that’s how society was back then. You should be happy we’re all more enlightened now.

  32. 42

    Rujax! spews:

    Hey Shithead at #27…

    From Wikipedia:

    The first person to mention the Massachusetts furlough program in the 1988 presidential campaign was Al Gore. During a debate at the Felt Forum sponsored by the New York Daily News, Gore took issue with the furlough program. However, he did not specifically mention the Horton incident or even mention Horton’s name.

    Republicans would pick up the Horton issue after Dukakis clinched the nomination. In June 1988, Republican candidate George H.W. Bush seized on the Horton case, bringing it up repeatedly in campaign speeches. Bush’s campaign manager, Lee Atwater, predicted that “by the time this election is over, Willie Horton will be a household name.”[3] Media consultant Roger Ailes remarked “the only question is whether we depict Willie Horton with a knife in his hand or without it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Horton

  33. 43

    The Real Mark spews:

    Goldy,

    As I mentioned before, I think your response to the offense was childish.

    Your intentional stirring of the hornets’ nest is part of the problem and possibly part of the reason the Times felt the need to take a public stand. While you weren’t metioned in the editorial, you undoubtedly played your part in keeping the issue alive beyond its normal lifespan. While Alexa says that Soundpolitics.com has more traffic than you, your site definitely gets read in newsrooms here and elsewhere.

    If, as you allege, this is a non-story and that the Times only brought it up for their own benefit, why is it mentioned in other publications like the Investors Business Daily?

    As someone commented on another blog, what would you say about an ad with Barack and Michelle with the theme from The Jeffersons? If anything, the lyrics describe a solid relationship and positive accomplishments, right?

  34. 45

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @2 “Mr. Cynical spews: Let it go Goldy–
    The Washington Voters are more interested in learning how Gregoire created this $2.5 BILLION Deficit out of a $1 BILLION Surplus….”

    Two reasons:

    1) Bush Recession II; and
    2) Republicans’ refusal to adopt a state income tax.

    Any questions?

  35. 47

    gs spews:

    State Income tax with her spending spree! It’ll NEVER Happen!

    Go for it, campaign on it!

    Shout it from the highest hill.

    We just need another F’n 6% to 10% of your income in this state, on top of Obama’s 60% and all the massive property tax and sales tax, and gas tax and fee hikes your hearts can dream of.

    Might as well stay home and not work.

    Join Gregoire’s Gravey train!

  36. 48

    Jane Balough's Dog spews:

    Two reasons:

    1) Bush Recession II; and
    2) Republicans’ refusal to adopt a state income tax.

    Neither.

    Th correct answer is

    (3) Gregoire is just another tax and spend democrat..

    Next question.

  37. 49

    Rujax! spews:

    How do you fuckheads conflate an “Italian Slur” that ROSSI HIMSELF used against Gregoire with the BIAW comparing regular environmentally concerned citizens with a Fascist totalitarian regime that SLAUGHTERED SIX-MILLION of it’s citizens.

    THAT’S what this is about. The Times board is so in the pocket of the WSRP and Kemper Freeman and his fellow-travelers at BIAW that they can parrot their arrant nonsense without grasping the irony or at the very least the “cognative disonance”.

    Oh yeah…and Cynical…start your own fucking blog…you’re all about trasparency, be like Goldy…David Goldstein.

  38. 50

    Jane Balough's Dog spews:

    If the citizens of this state are dumb enough to allow a income tax they deserve to be taxed out of existence.

  39. 51

    The Real Mark spews:

    Roadkill @ 45

    Republicans refuse to adopt a state income tax because the WA Dems will still keep the sales tax, property tax and B&O tax.

  40. 52

    gs spews:

    Campaign on an income tax. Do you see it on any of Gregoire’s Campaign Pages?

    Hell no and if asked she will lie like she did in that last campaign when she said she had NEVER raised taxes on the citizens of this state.

    Let’s see her hang to that one with her massive spending spree!

  41. 53

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    45. Roger Rabbit spews:

    @2 “Mr. Cynical spews: Let it go Goldy–
    The Washington Voters are more interested in learning how Gregoire created this $2.5 BILLION Deficit out of a $1 BILLION Surplus….”
    Two reasons:
    1) Bush Recession II; and
    2) Republicans’ refusal to adopt a state income tax.

    Any questions?

    Yes Rog, as a matter of fact I do. Thanks for asking?

    1) How is it Bushes fault that Gregoire added 8000+ new State Employees and raised spending in other areas enormously?

    2) Sounds like if you are proposing a State Income Tax as a method to deal with the deficit, you are talking about a TAX INCREASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    At least you are willing to admit it Rog.
    Gregoire is hiding somewhere quivering at uttering those words….TAX INCREASE!!

    If she wins, I suppose the Tax Increase will be our surprise.

    PS–Gas Taxes go up again 7/1.
    Traffic still sucks.

  42. 54

    gs spews:

    Oh yet another gas tax increase with no results? Imagine that!

    Just what the people of this state need is higher gas prices.

  43. 55

    2cents spews:

    The Democratic Party would have to be pretty ignorant to not realize a) the song is the theme song to the Sopranos about a mobbed up Italian family and b) Dino Rossi has Italian heritage.

    I guess they thought it would be a subtle joke and it blew up on them. I agree that it also backfired on the Republicans. The YouTube video got more play than it should have and conservatives are often the ones complaining about political correctness going too far.

    Frankly I would have never associated Dino Rossi with organized crime before this brouhaha, but now in every paper across the state it’s front page news.

    PS – The gas tax is only going up 1.5 cents a gallon and that’s for road construction you use everyday. Meanwhile you chuckleheads complain about Senate investigations into oil company price fixing and god knows where those billions go to.

  44. 56

    michael spews:

    OK Goldy,

    I’m with ya on this one. There was no ethnic slur and The Times needs to move on, but so do you.

    We’ve got Peter Goldmark, Calvin Goings and John Ladenburg to get elected and we can’t do that if all our blogger in chief wants to do is play tit-for-tat with the times.

    It’s time to get your eye back on the ball.

  45. 57

    gs spews:

    And all the talk in at least 3 if not more fat ass hearings has produced what?

    Nothing

    Time to get off their fat ass hearings and start allowing drilling, and exploration off the coasts and at ANWAR.

    This is an Oil economy at present, blacktop takes oil, airliners need oil, Three tab and hot tar roofing are Oil based, busses and ferries are oil based, freighters and fishing boats are oil based, pleasure boats and airplanes are oil based, Massive farmer’s Combines that harvest your food are oil based, much heating is oil based.

    If you need none of the above, then vote for a democrat, because they are all about holding worthless one way hearings with oil executives, who are saying open up the drilling, and they walk away and do nothing.

    1.2 Millon Americans and growing are saying get off your F’n ass democrats and let the oil companies drill and build refineries.

    Democrats answer – non of the above – have another meeting – no answers – ziltch!

    Then fly back to California each week in your private military 767.

  46. 58

    Puddybud spews:

    Rudejax, who knew of the Massachusetts Furlough program before Al GOREbasm delivered it? No ONE except Mass Donkey.

    Pelletizer, who cares about how society was back then. She was PRESIDENT, she could have made a stand. She didn’t!

    NUFF Said!

    SIUYA Urkel

  47. 59

    2cents spews:

    @57
    Why do we need to hit ANWR and offshore drilling? Is there a world wide supply issue? Are we running out of oil?

    If that’s the case I say tap it to prepare for a future without oil. If that’s not the case then keep it for a stragetic reserve when that day comes.

    I’m guessing the current price has more to do with your buddy Bush’s desire to let the US dollar freefall and his total lack of influence in the Middle East to get his friends the Saudis to produce more oil. Meanwhile his Texas buddies are making record profits in the oil business.

  48. 61

    spews:

    Some have suggested that Mussolini was Italian. Rossi is also Italian.

    Need I say more. In the jubilantly dismissive phrase of our own PudWax:

    ‘NUFF SAID!

  49. 62

    michael spews:

    @57

    1) Oil is traded in dollars and right now the dollar is sucking hind tit to the Euro. We need to fix the dollar.

    2) Oil is traded on the global market and U.S. oil is a small fraction of that global market. Open up all the drilling you want our input wont make a dimes worth of difference at the pump.

    3) Yes, 3 tab and all sorts of other crap is made out of oil, but the over whelming majority of oil is used to fuel SOV’s (single occupancy vehicles). As to farming we do a lot of stupid shit in America like pave over perfectly good spinach fields in Fife WA and then ship spinach grown in Arizona and California to consumers in Fife and Tacoma. We need to fix that.

    4) Oil’s a bit like musical chairs, but instead of the last one with the chair winning, it’s the last one with the oil that wins. Let’s hold off on any drilling for another decade or two.

    5) Even the OPEC folks are saying that the current price of oil is unjustified.

  50. 64

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @51 At this point it’s the Dems who won’t replace our creaky, regressive, Rube Goldberg tax system with an income tax.

    45 other states have adopted the tax system I’m advocating. Why? Because it’s fair, and it works. Guys like you are the ones still using square wheels when everyone else is driving on round tires.

  51. 65

    Like a Chicken voting for Col. Sanders... spews:

    …so the PuddyBiotch condones racial attacks…like the ones Lee Atwater used against Dukakis.

    he should recuse himself from any discussion on this blog…for being terminally stupid.

  52. 66

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @53 Just throwing numbers out there, out of context, doesn’t mean anything Cynical.

    (1) The 8,000 employees were added because of population growth and past understaffing. Most are line-worker positions, such as the additional corrections officers made necessary by a growing inmate population. Gregoire reduced middle-level management by 1,000 jobs. And don’t forget that at the same time state government added 8,000 positions, the private sector grew by 220,000 employees.

    (2) No, I’m emphatically not talking about higher taxes, I’m talking about a more stable tax system. Sales tax revenues swing like a yo-yo with the economy. How smart is it to depend on a tax like that? About as smart as putting all your eggs in one bank stock.

  53. 67

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @54 Another lying wingnut. The 9 1/2-cent gas tax is paying for hundreds of projects all over the state. If you want to see a list of them, go to the WSDOT website. Yes, I know, it’s much easier to lie about it. No, I don’t expect any honesty from your ilk. Rest assured that I have no expectations of you or your fellow trolls.

  54. 69

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @57 Another pack of wingnut lies. U.S. refinery capacity has been expanding since the early 1990s. Drilling in ANWR and coastal areas won’t produce a drop of oil for at least 10 years, and will never produce cheap oil. That’s the most expensive oil on earth you’re talking about, pardner. And producing it will do nothing to solve the long-term energy crunch. There’s enough oil in ANWR for about 3 months of global consumption. Is that worth destroying the world’s most important arctic wildlife breeding range? Fuck you. Ride a bicycle or walk.

  55. 70

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @59 You are mostly right. The falling dollar is the primary culprit in high oil prices. Some OPEC countries say they can’t sell all the oil they’re producing. Lots of smart people who know this industry say price manipulation is going on. $4.50 gas? Another fucking failure of the laissez faire idiots who brought you the Katrina fiasco.

  56. 71

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    If you ask any of the trolls on this board how Cantarell factors into high oil prices, you’ll get a blank stare.

    They’ll probably tell you most of the oil imported by the U.S. comes from the Middle East. Wrong! The U.S. imports most of its oil from the western hemisphere, and most of that comes from Canada, Mexico, and Venezuela.

    Saudi Arabia’s supergiant Ghawar field covers hundreds of square miles, and produces about 5 million bpd. The world’s second-highest producing field, Cantarell, which peaked at 2.1 million bpd, covers only a few square miles.

    The Cantarell field is in an ancient meteorite crater. Nowhere else on earth is so much oil concentrated in so little space. This fact made possible extremely rapid extraction — which led to extremely rapid depletion. Production at Cantarell is now less than half of its peak output in 2005 and dropping by 15% a year. Most oilfields decline at a rate of 2% or 3% a year.

    Cantarell is a major source of the oil imported into the U.S., and that source is running out of oil. Cantarell’s decline is a big part of the global supply constraint story. And because its decline is due to geology, there’s nothing that can be done about it.

    Oil is a limited resource. The world may or may not be able to increase production in the future, but one thing is sure, someday oil production is going to peak and then go into irreversible decline.

    Anyone who advocates staking the future of civilization on oil is a damn fool.

  57. 72

    spews:

    Christine Gregoire, like Adolf Hitler, was the leader of an organization that had a problem with Jews and Blacks.

  58. 73

    Puddybud spews:

    Moron@65: Where did I write that? Show me!

    Time and Date Stamp?
    Citation?
    URL?

    I see you support Queen Chrissy not denouncing her racist sorority. No more words needed there, you forgot to add them!

    You can’t fathom truths. At the time I lived in NY. No one discussed Dukakis’ furlough program.

    Thanks Al Gorebasm.

  59. 74

    Puddybud spews:

    Again Pelletizer conflates the issue:

    U.S. refinery capacity has been expanding since the early 1990s.

    Sure they have added onto existing refineries. Sure efficiency has improved. We haven’t built a NEW REFINERY in 30 years.

    That’s the fact jack bunny!

  60. 75

    Puddybud spews:

    Again Pelletizer conflates the issue:

    Drilling in ANWR and coastal areas won’t produce a drop of oil for at least 10 years, and will never produce cheap oil. That’s the most expensive oil on earth

    Really? Why is it going to take 10 years Pelletizer? Well if I remember history your people blocked exploration since the early 90s. Your people are anti-nuke too. Now it’ll take 10 years due to continual roadblocks to anything being done.

    Latest poll 75% support domestic drilling. You are losing……

  61. 76

    ByeByeGOP spews:

    Hey Puddy – somebody finally outed your bitch JohnBoy!

    “Well, I don’t think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president.” General Wes Clark

  62. 77

    Puddybud spews:

    bybygoober: Somehow you beat out 4,000,000 other sperm. Amazing.

    Since you have no memory and you are still a moron, McCain ain’t my man, boy or “bitch”.

    You and Steve are each other’s bitches though! So bend over and take it like a man!

  63. 79

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Rog sez:

    (1) The 8,000 employees were added because of population growth and past understaffing. Most are line-worker positions, such as the additional corrections officers made necessary by a growing inmate population. Gregoire reduced middle-level management by 1,000 jobs. And don’t forget that at the same time state government added 8,000 positions, the private sector grew by 220,000 employees.

    C’mon Rog…there was NEVER any public accountability about this sham by Gregoire. All she did was count retirees and started to call these former “middle-managers” something else. THERE WERE ZERO LAYOFFS!

    (2) No, I’m emphatically not talking about higher taxes, I’m talking about a more stable tax system. Sales tax revenues swing like a yo-yo with the economy. How smart is it to depend on a tax like that? About as smart as putting all your eggs in one bank stock.

    Ahhhhhhhhh…therein lies the rub Rog. We were talking about how Gregoire would fix the $2.5 BILLION Deficit she has created. You brought up the Income Tax as a way to fix it. SOUNDS LIKE A TAX INCREASE TO ME ROG!
    Plus few trust our elected officials to do away with the other taxes even if the unlikelihood of an Income Tax were to transpire. Rog, admit it, Gregoire needs to mine for additional dollars if she won’t cut spending….squeezing more out of her constituents. Why doesn’t she just say it??

    PS–You know I don’t have all my eggs in 1 basket Rog….just 1-1/2% or so of my liquid eggs. Everything is relative my friend. Look at everything in terms of percentages and AFTER-TAX rate of Return. You’ll be a much happier guy…errrr furry creature.

  64. 81

    Daddy Love spews:

    Here are some “numbers to throw around.” The US has only about 2% of the world’s proven oil reserves.

    So here’s the deal: Dig it all up, drill it all out, drain it dry. Destroy ANWR and the coasts of Florida, California and the Gulf Coast states.

    And all of that still won’t do fuck-all to the world price of oil.

    How fucking stupid can you be and remain a Republican? Apparently there is no floor.

  65. 82

    Tam spews:

    The seattle times had absolutely no mention of John McCains tax default on his San Diego home. The times has printed plenty of stories and/or editorials of Edwards $400 haircut and Obama’s flag pin, but McCains tax evasion is not worth mentioning? Nothing on the morning news shows, (King 5 and Northwest Cable News) although when Al Gore got a speeding ticket driving threw Oregon a while back, that story was played over and over and over.

  66. 83

    Like a Chicken voting for Col. Sanders... spews:

    You support Republicans and the Republican Party.

    The Republican Party imfamously uses divisive race-based advertising campaigns for their candidates.

    Ergo…

  67. 84

    YLB spews:

    79 – Aren’t you paying an income tax now in Montana? What a loser…

    78 – PuddyStupid: According to National Journal, Obama was the Senator with the most liberal voting record. They said it. Take your bullshit to them.

  68. 85

    John425 spews:

    This thread is a joke! Rossi and the Sopranos? How would you like an Obama ad with a Muslim call to prayer playing in the background? Moron!

    As to McCain’s so-called tax evasion” that is a crock too. As per their pre-nup, it is Cindy McCain’s property- held in, and managed by a trust, that forwarded the wrong billing address to the assessor’s office. BTW- it is a condo that she provides FREE to her elderly aunt. Tony Rezko was not involved in the financing.

  69. 86

    2cents spews:

    @74

    Part of the reason the oil companies have built a new refinery is because they haven’t wanted to.

    There have been no applications to build new refineries.