Those zany conservatives

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Just listen to those slap-happy jokesters at CPAC loudly laugh and cheer at the mere thought of Chicago being destroyed in a nuclear attack.  And who says conservatives don’t have a sense of humor?

Comments

  1. 1

    YLB spews:

    Miserable, fear and war mongerers.

    I don’t know. I can only hope the people have learned to tune them out and not fall prey to their paranoid whining.

  2. 6

    correctnotright spews:

    Let’s see:
    We have Bobby Jindal lying about gov’mint regulations in NOLA.

    We have idiots like Mitch McConnell and John Boehner who could not even put together a republican stimulus package (they ended up RAISING taxes by accident on 30 million Americans because they were too stupid to remember to raise the AMT). This was the same plan that Jindal cited when asked what the republicans woiuld do (instead of the correct anwer which was: Obstruct and do nothing).

    and now we have a third republican fool (who famously was never confirmed as UN ambassador because of hi obnoxious behavior) – John (idiot) Bolton who gets cheers for saying chicago is nuked.

    What a bunch of sick, perverted little people in the republican party.

  3. 7

    ArtFart spews:

    “they ended up RAISING taxes by accident on 30 million Americans because they were too stupid to remember to raise the AMT”

    You really think that was a mistake? Ha!

  4. 8

    ArtFart spews:

    The Republic Party in the new millenium–it’s just like sitting through someone telling the long version of the “aristocrats” joke!

  5. 9

    Chris Stefan spews:

    @2
    Such in-depth and insightful commentary and analysis! I never realized the error of my ways until now! From now on I will be a conservative and PATRIOTIC AMERICAN!

    Conservatives good, leftists bad!
    Conservatives good, leftists bad!
    Conservatives good, leftists bad!

  6. 10

    Al Minkman spews:

    You don’t get conservative humor —- but you better try or you are going to die! Har!! HAR!!!!

  7. 11

    Al Minkman spews:

    re 2: How did you arrive at The Truth? Is it a rigorous intellectual exercise or just plain ol’ common sense — the kind Granma had when she laid out her clean underwear on Easter morning?

  8. 12

    Al Minkman spews:

    As long as there is one foreigner to fear in this world, we must have billions for a missile defense shield — and a $9 an hour HOMELAND SECURITY GUARD for every container that comes into this country.

    We’ll charge a HOMELAND SECURITY fee for all imports and get our protectionist policies in under their radar.

    Sorry folks, it’s security (HOMELAND style)!

  9. 14

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Sounds like these freaks feel an urge to get a serious amount of disappointment over the election outcome off their chests.

  10. 15

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @9 That’s the most substance you’ll ever get from any wingnut, so savor it while it lasts.

  11. 17

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Food Prices Explode Again!!

    I’m sitting here eating a can of tuna and just noticed something — not only does a can that used to cost 69 cents now cost 89 cents, but they reduced the contents from 6.5 oz. to 5 oz.! That’s a 68% price increase! You can’t tell me there’s that much inflation! Bumble Bee is ripping off consumers. Not only that, they’re using the old 6.5 oz. cans to deceive consumers, and you don’t notice anything until you open the can and see a lot of air where there used to be tuna.

  12. 19

    YellowPup spews:

    You can talk this way in 8th grade debate club, but to hear an adult (in years), someone who works/ed at the national level, make this kind of statement in public (only half-jokingly) is just very sad.

  13. 20

    proud leftist spews:

    16
    Is there any chance you might name one? Hey, I believe that in a healthy democracy there should be a noble opposition. There is no noble opposition, presently. Rush Limbaugh doesn’t count for anything but blowhardedness. I wish to hell your party had something to say that counted anymore.

  14. 21

    David spews:

    So Bolton wants to nuke Chicago, Hannity has a poll on which type of insurgency his viewers would prefer. Some mayor in California is sending postcards with watermelons on the White House lawn to African-Americans he works with. Rush Limbaugh would like the USA to be a third world country.

    If these people were as ugly on the outside as they are on the inside, no one would be able to look at them.

  15. 22

    proud leftist spews:

    To my rightwing friends, might I say a few words?
    1) Idiocy is not a badge of honor;
    2) Facts actually matter; and
    3) Think, you dumbfucks, just think.

    That is all.

  16. 23

    gs spews:

    I truly love the democraps 1% property tax limit. They were so proudly touting it with signs in the last election. They limited Property taxes to 1%. BULL SHIT Ask those in Island can’t county that just got the highest whopping 15% or higher hike in the middle of a recession. Margaret Haugan, who is so unwilling to deal with anything but a bogus 1% lying property tax reform, will soon be in her taxing to hell everthing in this state. I hope she rots in hell for her lack of give a shit do nothing Camano Island 15% increases. To Hell with her and her tax happy bunch.

  17. 27

    Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

    Yes those zany conservatives

    73% Trust Judgment of People More Than Politicians Friday, February 27, 2009

    When it comes to important national issues, 73% of adults nationwide trust the judgment of the American people more than that of America’s political leaders.

    The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that just 13% place more trust in the judgment of the politicians.

    Twenty percent (20%) of Democrats trust America’s political leaders more than the American people, the highest level of support for the politicians found among any measured demographic group. But 63% of Democrats trust the general public more.

    Among Republicans, 83% trust people more than politicians as do 76% of those not affiliated with either major party.

    From Rasumssen in Fair Use

  18. 29

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @23 “Ask those in Island can’t county that just got the highest whopping 15% or higher hike in the middle of a recession.”

    Well let’s see. How, under Washington law, could property owners get a 15% increase? BY VOTING TO TAX THEMSELVES ABOVE THE CAP LIMITS! Doofus.

  19. 30

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @27 Didn’t we have a referendum just 4 months ago on how much people trust Democratic politicians vs. how much they trust Republican politicians? How did that turn out for you guys?

    [rabbit laughter]

  20. 31

    Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

    Pelletizer,

    Now people are thinking about that referendum. Your ‘adults’ are scaring the common folks.

  21. 32

    ArtFart spews:

    17 Hey, Roger, if that doesn’t get your knickers in a knot, there’s word that at least one airline (the UK’s Ryanair) is considering pay toilets.

  22. 34

    Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

    FartyArt, since libtards are full of shit they won’t visit the flying pay toilets. Constipation is your primary physical attribute.

  23. 35

    Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

    Yes bentoverdrinkinghisownpiss@33, Obama would rather add to the unemployment rolls those who would personally object to performing an abhorrent procedure. But then again you survived the procedure.

    I wouldn’t eat shit as it’s abhorrent to me. Nothing is abhorrent to you. It flows effortlessly from your mouth and ASS!

    You are now the most priceless pet chimp… no, baboon Goldy has in his leftist arsenal. You surpassed leadless douchy.

  24. 37

    Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

    Very telling clueless village idiot

    kos102

    Just can’t stay away.

    Thanks for proving me right again.

  25. 38

    Don Joe spews:

    I about drove my car into a Jersey barrier the other day, when I was listening to the radio and heard a Republican boldly proclaim, “The Federal Government is not ‘We the people’.”

    Now, there are really only two explanations for this:

    1) Republicans are too stupid to fully grok this democracy thing; or

    2) Republicans think we’re too stupid to figure out this democracy thing.

    Frankly, I think it’s a combination of the two. The Republican leadership fall into the second category, and the rank-and-file Republican membership (as evidenced by our resident trolls) fall into the first category.

    Republicans either fear the government or want us to fear the government, when, with a representative democracy, it should be the other way around. The government should be afraid of the people.

    Fortunately, I think most people are starting to catch on to this fundamental contradiction between Republican philosophy and the concept of a representative government. In other words, it’s becoming increasingly clear that the only people who are buying into the bullshit of the Republican Party leadership are rank-and-file Republicans.

  26. 39

    Honest Republican spews:

    Listening to you guys, one would think all Republicans should be shoved into gas chambers. Can you tone down the rhetoric a bit?

  27. 40

    YLB spews:

    Just can’t stay away.

    What in that photo wasn’t true moron?

    A bunch of fools looking like deers in the headlights, their minds gripped by fears:

    FOOLS LIKE YOU!! LOL!

  28. 41

    Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

    So us zany conservatives said forever the uninsured number is lower than the reported figure. The Real Census Data tells the story.

    “America’s 48 million uninsured” is another libtard lie fully propagated by the libtard MSM. But as always, libtards are dubious.

    9.7+ million are illegal aliens
    7.9+ million are under 24
    9 million+ are paid least $75,000 a year.

    So the new value is around 19 million uninsured. But why tell the truth? Libtards are a constipated lot.

    This is why men and women in the military are pissed. Puddy posted the military web site posts ignored by Goldy and his primate pets.

    But Rahmbo said never let a good crisis pass.

  29. 42

    YLB spews:

    39 – Nope that’s the way you has-beens think:

    ” Of course, we need to execute some of these people,” I wake up. Who do we need to execute? She runs her fingers through the sand lazily. “A few of these prominent liberals who are trying to demoralise the country,” she says. “Just take a couple of these anti-war people off to the gas chamber for treason to show, if you try to bring down America at a time of war, that’s what you’ll get.” She squints at the sun and smiles. ” Then things’ll change.”

    http://www.alternet.org/story/57001/?page=1

    We hope you stay around spouting the same old Limbaugh line like Jindal did the other night.

    It’s worked out just great for you!

  30. 43

    Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

    Yeah clueless village idiot is you are truly addicted to leftist warm man juice kook-aid.

    Good job Goldy pet chimp.

  31. 44

    Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

    Yep, those zany conservatives like Puddy called Hillary on this long ago. Goldy’s NorthWest Division of Lunatic Moonbat! Pets screamed Puddy was wrong.

    Well lookie here. Seems some NYC peeps are finally waking up, way too late though. Puddy likes it when Puddy is prescient. Priceless!

    Jewish Leaders Blast Clinton Over Israel Criticism
    Zuckerman, Lawmakers, Local Jews Say Secretary Of State Not The Hillary Clinton They Used To Know”

    Sorry Mortimer Zuckerman, you love Democratics. You supported her bud Erskine Bowles. Now deal with it!

  32. 45

    YLB spews:

    43 – You hate Goldy don’t you?

    He called the election contest right. You went into the drink off the short pier with the pied piper of Greenlake.

    He was on the right side of I-912 and you were on the wrong side of your bet with GBS.

    He slaughtered the mama-beater David Irons Jr.

    He got heckuva-job Brownie’s incompetent ass fired.

    He exposed the ugly lying ass of MWS.

    HA.org has cheered on the downfall of the Republicans from “don’t know him” Abramoff to happy feet Craig to poopy-pants Vitter. We’ve planted the victory flag on the expiring body politic of your ugly corrupt party.

    But I don’t get it. I thought Goldy was one of God’s chosen people and you had nothing but love for them. But you’re getting impatient aren’t you? Jesus can’t come back until Goldy goes to Israel and of course follows your silly-assed orders on HL.

    He ain’t gonna follow your orders Stupes. Goldy doesn’t support racism and sexism. HE REJECTS YOU FOOL!

    Everyone ignores your orders Stupes! What’s the tally up to? You’re a total fool! LOL!

  33. 46

    Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

    Yep, my Yeah clueless village idiot is you are truly addicted to leftist warm man juice kook-aid.gets your “goat” every time. You can’t think unless you visit Kos or another kook-aid site. Is it straight thought? HELL NO

    Hate Goldy? Nope

    Dislike many of his chimps and baboons? yep

    Exposed my one sockpuppet? Yep but won’t expose yours or others. But the mind of Puddy found all of yours without Goldy’s help. That’s the big issue you seem to miss.

    Puddy cheered the downfall of kiddie ACLU pedophiles, Democratic cheaters, Democratic ponzi schemers, and freezing money men.

    Where did Puddy think Goldy was one of God’s chosen when he rejects most of God’s tenets? Strange commentary from clueless village idiot.

    Racism and sexism? Puddy thought black people couldn’t be racist. That was a comment from a Goldy Fooltard long ago. Sexist? How? By Puddy pointing out Senator Obama screwed his female staffers by under paying them by an average of 22%? Sexist? I’d die in a heartbeat if it would save my wife’s life fool!

    What a fool you are. You’re not a Goldy chimp but a Goldy baboon!

    Did Goldy pull your leash tighter around that small scrote so the @45 rant?

  34. 47

    Rosie Redfinger spews:

    Would it still be funny if they blew up Palm Beach? Probably not. Chicago is funny, Palm Beach is serious.

  35. 48

    Rosie Redfinger spews:

    re 46: Speaking about yourself in the third person is a sign of syphylitic dementia.

    Sure you haven’t been participating in any government studies?

  36. 49

    Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

    Rosie (another leadless douchy sockpuppet) and all those rich Hebrew retirees whom Bernie Madoff screwed would be vaporized along with Rush Limbaugh.

    So you accept all that collateral damage?

  37. 50

    Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

    headless douchy@48: Puddy already explained why Puddy writes this way.

    Since you know all about syphilis, do tell us about your medical condition? It’ll be between friends.

  38. 52

    Black Me spews:

    Puddy know what Puddy shits. Puddy dicks like Puddy is. Puddy smells like Puddy is. Puddy thinks like Puddy smells.

  39. 53

    ByeByeGOP spews:

    Been a banner day for the good guys. Democrats are beating the GOP into the ground. Race-traitors like the cunt Puffybutt are hiding out in their own communities for fear of retribution for being retards and cowards. The Bush regime war is being put to an end. Troops are coming home. We will now see coffins so we’re reminded of Bush’s war. We’re overturning the abortion rules Baby Bush put in place and WE are writing the budget. So far the best the right wing turds can do is call 1-800-WAAAAAAAAH!

  40. 57

    Don Joe spews:

    @ 41

    So us zany conservatives said forever the uninsured number is lower than the reported figure.

    Oh, goody. Puddy’s going to throw numbers at us, yet, again, fail to put forth a cogent argument that leads to any reasonable conclusion. While Puddy doesn’t actually articulate the argument, one would guess that he’s arguing that, while these people are actually uninsured, for some reason that he doesn’t articulate, they really ought not be counted among the uninsured.

    Let’s take each of these in turn:

    9.7+ million are illegal aliens

    In this case, Puddy simply has his facts wrong. The chart on table 22 discusses nativity, and lists a figure of ~9.7 million as “Not a citizen.” There’s nothing in that report about illegal aliens or undocumented workers.

    Is there a difference? Absolutely. My father-in-law, for example, is a legal alien resident who is married to a US citizen. He’s simply never bothered to become a naturalized citizen. Nevertheless, he worked in this country for more than four decades and paid taxes on his income. Why shouldn’t he be counted? We don’t know. Puddy never says.

    7.9+ million are under 24

    Again, Puddy isn’t careful with the facts. According to that same table on page 22, the 7.9 million figure is for people between the ages of 18 and 24, though I’m glad he thinks that children under the age of 18 should be counted as uninsured.

    But, again, Puddy gives no logic or reasoning for deciding that people between the ages of 18 and 24 ought not be counted. Do they, somehow, not require health care? Or, does Puddy simply think that you’re not a real person until you’ve reached the age of 24? And, if the latter, how convenient is it that the Census Bureau just happened to pick a cut-off age that corresponds to Puddy’s view?

    9 million+ are paid least $75,000 a year.

    At last! Puddy actually gets the facts correct, but, yet again, there’s no logic or reasoning given for excluding these people. One might presume that the reason would be that these people are able to afford private insurance, and, thus, have chosen to go without insurance, but, we’re left to speculate on Puddy’s argument. He simply doesn’t give one.

    But, let us presume that the issue of affordability is the basis of Puddy’s reasoning. Is there any evidence that this presumption is, in fact, true? What percentage of these people are simply unable, due to pre-existing conditions, to obtain health insurance at any price?

    Summary: Puddy gets a number of facts wrong, and makes presumptions about other facts that are simply not in evidence. Worse yet, Puddy doesn’t even bother to articulate a cogent argument in support of his conclusion, leaving us to speculate as to precisely what his reasoning might be.

    The truly pathetic thing is, Puddy’s one of the smartest of our wingnut trolls.

  41. 58

    Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

    I always wondered why clueless village idiot would LHAO. I guess he has flashbacks on the ride

    I finally figgered it out…

  42. 59

    Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

    Hey Don Joe, I see you are up to your standard systematic disambiguation again. Notice the way Don Joe phrases his questions. You can do that to the average libtard Don Joe but Puddy don’t play dat game. I guess it’s so ingrained you can’t see it any other way.

    Yep the U.S. government describes any foreign-born person who is not a citizen by naturalization or parentage an alien. So why do I have to pay for their medical costs illegal or legal alien? Is your father-in-law looking for free medical care? Is he on your plan? Why did you bring him up Don Joe? Looking for sympathy Don Joe? Does he buy his medical insurance? Does he have a plan Don Joe? Don Joe never answers this. Why Don Joe? Why is your father-in-law in this argument?

    Sympathy. It’s in the dictionary between shithead(you) and syphilis (leadless douchy’s disease) It’s your side who wants to call them undocumented workers. How politically correct. Various web sites recommend these alternative terms to “smooth” the conversation.

    My two sons are under 24. I pay for their medical insurance. So what? Christian Scientists reject medical insurance. Insure them too? Are you gonna pay for these people, usually the healthiest in America Don Joe? You never tell us Don Joe? You attack but there is never a Don Joe answer? Why is that Don Joe?

    Yep, $75,000. Why should they get it free? You for this freebie for them Don Joe? You ready to open your wallet for those you manage Don Joe? Gonna cough up some extra tax dough Don Joe? I already said in another thread I’m not for paying clueless village idiot’s medical insurance. I guess you missed that argument on a thread. Was your head up your ass that day?

    Notice Don Joe never gives his answers. All he does is attack others but he rarely gives an answer. Why is that Don Joe? Why?

  43. 60

    YLB spews:

    Stupes you’re so funny.

    But the mind of Puddy found all of yours without Goldy’s help. That’s the big issue you seem to miss.

    Miss that mind of your Stupes? How can I? It’s only the gas that’s been escaping from between your ears of your pin head!

    Puddy cheered the downfall of kiddie ACLU pedophiles,

    And ignored “Puddy’s Heroes” pointed out by Steve.

    Democratic cheaters, Democratic ponzi schemers, and freezing money men.

    And paid no mind to these guys:

    http://www.republicanoffenders.com/

    Where did Puddy think Goldy was one of God’s chosen when he rejects most of God’s tenets? Strange commentary from clueless village idiot.

    I remember you running off at the mouth about God spreading the Jews everywhere throughout the world and then bringing them back together. It was classic Stupes conveying the inside scoop you have your sky god. Can’t google it right now. One would conclude your mission here is to help the man upstairs get Goldy back to promised land so you can go home to Jesus. Maybe I’ll find it one day.

    Racism and sexism? Puddy thought black people couldn’t be racist.

    Farrakhan isn’t racist? I’d think your white right wing peeps would disagree.

    That was a comment from a Goldy Fooltard long ago. Sexist? How?

    You’re paranoid of women who don’t tow your line.

    By Puddy pointing out Senator Obama screwed his female staffers by under paying them by an average of 22%?

    This is probably right wing bullshit but I have no time for it.

    Sexist? I’d die in a heartbeat if it would save my wife’s life fool!

    I’ll give you that. Who else could put up with your insufferable ass?

  44. 61

    Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

    clueless village idiot knuckle dragged:

    And ignored “Puddy’s Heroes” pointed out by Steve.

    You better ask Steve on this one. We’re at peace fool now Steve saw the evidence. Was your head up your ass that day clueless village idiot?

    Steve?

    All else above@60 is worthless blather from one of Goldy’s primates.

  45. 62

    Daddy Love spews:

    Funny how Republicans have been claiming that Barack Obama is “fearmongering” by merely describing the current economic crisis accurately, yet they cheer one of their own who tells them that it is likely that Iran will detonate a nuclear device (that they do not have) in a major American city.

  46. 63

    Daddy Love spews:

    Hey, conservatives are TOO funny! They look funny. They smell funny. They dress funny. They talk funny. They think funny.

  47. 64

    Daddy Love spews:

    I won’t discriminate against people who make over $75K. Why does Puddybud hate the well-to-do?

    Or, one might ask, why does he pretend not to understand the concept of risk pooling?

  48. 66

    Daddy Love spews:

    Yep the U.S. government describes any foreign-born person who is not a citizen by naturalization or parentage an alien. So why do I have to pay for their medical costs illegal or legal alien?

    In your original post you didn’t say these people did not deserve insurance, or that in your opinion they should not be included in an insurance program. Similarly with the 18-24-year-olds, and also the people making ore than $75K. You said that they were NOT AMONG THE UNINSURED.

    Don Joe called you on that false claim, and you tried to weasel by telling us how you don’t think they should be insured.

    Well, Pud, not only does it not matter to anyone but your mom whom you think should be insured or not, you should also fucking man up and admit that you were WRONG. Because we all know you were.

  49. 67

    YLB spews:

    I always wondered why

    It’s too funny seeing a mind willfully in the grip of discredited right wing garbage.

    Keep up the great work Stupes.

  50. 68

    Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

    In my original post Puddy asked…

    “America’s 48 million uninsured” is another libtard lie fully propagated by the libtard MSM. But as always, libtards are dubious.

    9.7+ million are illegal aliens
    7.9+ million are under 24
    9 million+ are paid least $75,000 a year.

    So the new value is around 19 million uninsured. But why tell the truth? Libtards are a constipated lot.

    This is why men and women in the military are pissed. Puddy posted the military web site posts ignored by Goldy and his primate pets.

    Notice Diddled Lover and Don Joe don’t make any case about the US Military men and women being pissed about this proposal. That’s was my original topic. Why? their contempt for the military. But they’ll attack everything else.

    My answers to Don Joe was his standard systematic disambiguation without understanding the point was on the military and them being pissed off over the health care for illegals and others. Did you read the military web site moron? Of course not it was factual and facts hurt your mind.

    Notice the military point zoomed right over their heads? That was my point fool!

    Wanna try again Diddled Lover?

  51. 69

    Don Joe spews:

    @ 59

    Hey Don Joe, I see you are up to your standard systematic disambiguation again.

    That phrase makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, at least not in the sense of being something bad. To “disambiguate” is to clarify the meaning of something. And, to do it systematically would imply clarification through rigorous thought and reasoning.

    ‘Course, if Puddy actually thinks that “systematic disambiguation” is a bad thing, that would certainly go a long way toward explaining the lack of cogent thought in any of Puddy’s posts.

    Frankly, I think Puddy doesn’t quite grok the notion that someone who asserts that a given proposition is true has the burden of proving that the proposition is true. The questions I ask serve to demonstrate where that proof has fallen short of the mark. If Puddy chooses not to answer those questions, then we are justified in rejecting Puddy’s conclusion. This is standard rhetorical operating procedure, of which Puddy appears to be quite unaware.

    Notice the way Don Joe phrases his questions.

    Yup. All of them designed to both clarify and denote the holes in Puddy’s implied argument–implied argument, because Puddy never articulates one.

    You can do that to the average libtard Don Joe but Puddy don’t play dat game.

    No shit. The game Puddy plays has no rigor or coherent thought whatsoever.

    Yep the U.S. government describes any foreign-born person who is not a citizen by naturalization or parentage an alien.

    Note, not any acknowledgement from Puddy that his use of “illegal” in reference to “aliens” was completely unjustified.

    So why do I have to pay for their medical costs illegal or legal alien?

    Note, again, Puddy’s ignorance, either willful or otherwise, of the facts. Legal aliens work and pay taxes just like citizens do. Given that this is true, it’s as equally likely that these legel aliens would be paying for Puddy’s health care as it would be that Puddy would be paying for theirs.

    The issue is, who pays taxes, not who is a citizen. But, Puddy won’t address that issue. Why? Because it’s inconvenient to the conclusion he wants to reach.

    Why is your father-in-law in this argument?

    Well, strictly speaking, given the Puddy hasn’t bothered to articulate an argument, it wouldn’t be necessary for me to point out that not all alien residents in this country are illegal residents.

    However, Puddy’s argument carried the implied assumption that all of the aliens referenced in the Census Bureau’s report were, in fact, illegal aliens. My father-in-law’s presence in this discussion, then, serves as a counter example to demonstrate that this implied assumption is false.

    Now, it’s entirely possible that most of the aliens counted in the survey cited by the Census Bureau are illegal aliens, but the onus is on Puddy to come up with evidence that shows us what the actual number is. After all, Puddy’s the one who is arguing that the Census Bureau’s number of uninsured people is misleading.

    My two sons are under 24. I pay for their medical insurance. So what?

    Indeed. So what? Puddy’s two sons are insured, as was I when I went to college and was covered by my parents’ insurance. Exactly what does this fact have to do with the accuracy of counting the number of uninsured people in the United States?

    Perhaps Puddy is assuming that the Census Bureau’s survey would count Puddy’s two sons as uninsured? If so, then, clearly, Puddy didn’t read Appendix C of the document that he, himself, linked. While there might be some issues of underreporting, those issues involve people who are covered by Medicare/Medicaid. None of those problems involve young adults who, for a variety of reasons, are covered by someone else’s insurance.

    So, again, Puddy assumes facts not in evidence.

    The same can generally be said of the rest of the questions in the same paragraph of Puddy’s comment. So what? If Puddy thinks that any of these categories are statistically significant, the onus is on Puddy to prove that they are.

    Yep, $75,000. Why should they get it free?

    First of all, note the amazing shift in gears, here. Puddy’s assertion, that the Census Bureau’s figures are not to be trusted in terms of the policy decision, has been completely abandoned. Instead, Puddy jumps straight to the policy issue. This wouldn’t be all that bad, if Puddy had bothered to properly justify his original assertion. Having failed to properly justify his original assertion, however, Puddy’s question is nothing more than a red herring.

    Second, it’s a pretty pathetic red herring. Someone who makes more than $75000 in annual income pays taxes, and, as such, would not be getting government-provided health care for free. What a monumental disconnect of facts floating around in Puddy’s head.

    Notice Don Joe never gives his answers. All he does is attack others but he rarely gives an answer.

    First, notice the contradiction in those two sentences, and, while I’m perfectly willing to allow for the first sentence being hyperbole, the notion that I rarely give answers strikes me as rather poorly founded. Perhaps Puddy could do a survey of the number of questions people have asked me in the comment threads and compare that number to the number where I’ve actually answered questions.

    Second, as for why I attack faulty arguments, the explanation above about the burden of proof borne by someone who contends that a particular conclusion is true.

    Why does Puddy complain about my attacks on his arguments? Is it because those attacks have been very effective? One wonders.

  52. 70

    Don Joe spews:

    @ 68

    Notice Diddled Lover and Don Joe don’t make any case about the US Military men and women being pissed about this proposal.

    Fascinating. From Puddy’s original comment:

    This is why men and women in the military are pissed.

    The “this” referent in that statement is Puddy’s argument about the Census Bureau overstating the number of uninsured people in the United States and his lament that the “liberal MSM” don’t tell the whole truth.

    Apparently Puddy doesn’t quite understand that, if his premise lies in shambles (which is pretty much the case right now), then his conclusion is flawed. Now, rather than go back an rehabilitate his premise, he’s pissing and moaning over the fact that we haven’t bothered to discuss his conclusion.

    What an incredibly pathetic and addled mind this Puddy possesses.

  53. 71

    Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

    Hey Don Joe… You missed the point. It was the military being upset. I posted the link earlier this week… Did you read that one too?

    My premise is in shambles? HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR. Check the military sites. Wait a minute that may force you to visit them… They are upset about illegals being uninsured. Premised supported fool.

    But as I stated above it went zoom over your head.

  54. 72

    Steve spews:

    @61 I should say something here.

    I followed some links posted by Puddy the other evening and was soon satisfied that he had indeed very strongly condemned the behavior of those Republicans in the links I had posted many times. I had long taken issue because the only post of Puddy’s I was familiar with was from much earlier than the others and where he had only said he didn’t “condone” such behavior. I wasn’t satisfied with that. It turns out that I had missed his subsequent condemnations and hadn’t bothered with his previous attempts at links to his comments. As far as Puddy goes, I’ve dropped this matter.

    I had also in the past made statements directed at Puddy accusing him of that very abhorent behavior. To borrow Puddy’s third person narrative, that wasn’t Steve at his best. Steve can do better than that. Steve has done better than that. Steve will continue to do better than that. Steve apologizes to Puddy for making many false and mean-spirited accusations. Steve’s apology is non-conditional. That is, the apology offered isn’t contingent on Puddy apologizing in return. That said, Steve will continue to kick Puddy’s ass in spirited debate which contains none of the previous vicious name calling and other low brow tactics in which we both participated.

    Puddy is invited to save this post for future reference.

  55. 73

    Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

    Steve, Thank you. Entering first person personal mode, I accepted your apology when you said you are always right on other issues. Remember my response?

    I appreciate you explaining to the clueless village idiot the truth. We’ll leave Pelletizer, Ekim and others to enjoy the goats. The breaking bread and having a drink offer still stands. Now back to 3rd person inpersonal mode.

    Puddy says, now back to the fun.

  56. 74

    Don Joe spews:

    @ 71

    [The military] are upset about illegals being uninsured.

    And? Is there a point there somewhere? Are they, somehow, experts in the number of illegal aliens being reported as uninsured?

    We didn’t miss this. What’s missing is any attempt on Puddy’s part to show ho the Census Bureau’s report has anything to do with what some people in the military believe to be true.

    Premised supported fool.

    “Premised”? Yeah, typo, but it would seem that Don Joe’s getting inside Puddy’s head.

    Having said that, one does wonder whether Puddy even understands the meaning of the word “premise” in this context. Perhaps he understands it as well as he appears to have understood the meaning of the word “disambiguate”.

  57. 75

    Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

    Don Joe: disambiguate means to establish a single grammatical or semantic interpretation. Sorry but your clarifying remarks don’t cut it.

    Your single semantic interpretation to life is the World According to Don Joe. That was my standard systematic disambiguation point back on your definition of abortion in the other thread.

    This time the standard systematic disambiguation is what should be insured. Puddy argued the military isn’t happy over this argument and Puddy posted a link for this earlier this week.

    Your standard systematic disambiguation revolves around what Puddy said in my original post and your definition it’s lost on what the fine men and women are arguing on their blogs.

    Correctly used and referred to.

  58. 77

    Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

    Steve, good. HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH! Ever been to 13 Coins? 24 Hour Restaurant!

  59. 78

    correctnotright spews:

    Puddy has been fairly consistent about condemning racist on this blog.

    Now back to kicking the BFPA on the facts.

  60. 79

    Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

    Thanks Steve and Dr NotRight.

    Why are these facts lost on clueless village idiot and others?

    One explanation… They are Goldy’s baboons and chimps…

  61. 80

    Steve spews:

    @77 Mmm, yes. I used to go to the 13 Coins in Seattle all the time. It was an alternative to another great all-nighter that was called “the Doghouse.”

  62. 81

    Don Joe spews:

    @ 75

    Oh, my. Puddy’s got himself so contorted, that there’s a chance he’ll never get himself untied. According to Puddy, my “single semantic interpretation to[sic] life” constitutes a “standard systematic disambiguation”. In other words, my “standard” is subjective. Perhaps Puddy will go back to that dictionary where he found the definition of “disambiguate” and notice that the words “standard” and “subjective” are antonyms.

    That still leaves the question: if the issue, in Puddy’s mind, is who should and should not be insured, then why, on earth, did Puddy even bother to discuss the number of people who are uninsured according to the Census Bureau.

    Whatever Puddy means by his manufactured phrase of “standard systematic disambiguation,” the fact remains that Puddy has drawn absolutely no logical connections between the data that he cites, in error I might add, and the conclusion with which he thinks we should agree.

    We’ve seen this before. Puddy and his disconnected facts. I think it’s time to add a new adjective to the alliterative phrase. It’s now the Pathetic Puddy Parade of Partial Punditry.

    Will Puddy ever pull together a coherent argument that goes from facts to a conclusion? One wonders.

  63. 83

    Don Joe spews:

    @ 80

    I used to go to the 13 Coins in Seattle all the time.

    The one by SeaTac has great calamari.

  64. 84

    Don Joe spews:

    @ 82

    Looks like somebody doesn’t understand the difference between seasonally adjusted and non-seasonally adjusted employment figures.

    And that “somebody” isn’t Joe Biden.

  65. 85

    Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

    Almost a good job Don Joe. It’s your definitions of every thing I disagree with. You don’t touch the military and their position on uninsured illegal aliens and others. That’s the disconnected fact.

    Somehow I remember people eviscerating you in link 13008 over what you are accusing me of here, disconnected facts.

    Good job Don Joe, but not good enough.

  66. 86

    Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

    Steve, wanna meet there sometime soon? Close to I-5 and easy access.

  67. 87

    Don Joe spews:

    @ 85

    It’s your definitions of every thing I disagree with.

    I’m having a conversation with Humpty Dumpty:

    ‘When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone,’ it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.’ [Lewis Carroll. Through the Looking Glass]

    Of course, in this case, it seems that it’s my fault for not understand what our resident Humpty Dumpty is really trying to say. I’m the one who, supposedly, is “denser than spent uranium.”

    Truly amazing.

    You don’t touch the military and their position on uninsured illegal aliens and others. That’s the disconnected fact.

    I don’t “touch” that, because, well, Puddy hasn’t bothered to connect it up to anything. He has still not produced a cogent argument. Indeed, he hasn’t even articulated a conclusion we’re supposed to reach on this.

    We could speculate. Let’s see, we shouldn’t do government-insured health care for everyone, because the idea pisses off too many people in the military? Oh, lordy! Can’t piss off people in the military! The world will come to an end.

    But, until Puddy comes up with an argument that connects the facts he cites to some kind of conclusion, there’s no point in trying to “touch” the facts he cites. As usual, Puddy starts nowhere, and ends up in mid air. He’s starting to remind me of the famous Cooper indians.

  68. 88

    Real American spews:

    Nothing better than watching Pubbydub get his wingnut garbage thoroughly exposed for the mind numbingly foolish lies that they are, AND see him sputter and fume as he gets his ass handed to him, yet again!

    Pubbydub is laying the last shovel fulls of dirt on the Republican party’s grave!

    Excellent!

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  69. 89

    Steve spews:

    Yes, we should do that. I think it’d be great. We’ll have to time it with a trip of mine to the Seattle area as my home is out in Union at Hood Canal.