This Week in Bullshit

Because you can never have enough bullshit.

*It’s pretty much bullshit that Democratic candidates have to come out in favor of science. Can you imagine that being an issue in 2000? I’m sure that every Democrat will be able to boast something similar, but the fact that it’s even an issue should tell you how far we’ve gone into crazyville these last 8 years.

* It would be bullshit to bomb these people.

* President Bush’s 4th veto of his term pretty much is for the same reason as his last three: he’s for more dead people.

* Not that your mainstream media would dare put it in those terms. Maybe they’re frightened?

* Maybe we should be frightened of Blackwater setting up shop in the States.

* And how about we let military spouses stay, you know, in the states.

Locally,

* I-960 is a bad idea.

* Activists who take time out of their weekend to doorbell in the B’ham area are not a conspiracy. And when that’s the best you’ve got, it’s sad sad sad.

This is an open thread. Enjoy.

Comments

  1. 1

    ArtFart spews:

    George W. has repeatedly given indications that he has some strange fascination with death and mayhem. When he speaks of war casualties, he appears to become quite agitated–his speech sounds more tense, he appears to be breathing faster, and his upper lip becomes beaded with sweat. It’s genuinely creepy, but there isn’t much about this man, or his most devoted supporters, that isn’t.

  2. 2

    Jane Balogh's dog spews:

    I will be holding my nose when voting for I-960, 2/3 majority is too low. roof roof

  3. 3

    Jane Balogh's dog spews:

    Why would you dems care if the Iranians were bombed? You wouldn’t hesitate in aborting their babies. Hypocrites.

  4. 4

    OneMan spews:

    This story (CRN) is yet another example of how incompetent and mendacious the Bush administration is.

    Not only do they change email systems and neglect to back up messages as they are required to do BY LAW, then they lie about it and blame it on a non-existant contractor.

  5. 5

    Jane Balogh's dog spews:

    When he speaks of war casualties, he appears to become quite agitated–his speech sounds more tense, he appears to be breathing faster, and his upper lip becomes beaded with sweat.

    No no no. He is just pissed he has to answer another idiotic loaded accusation formed as a question from the so called “non biased” press corp. He really needs to take more questions from Fox which is more down the center.

  6. 6

    OneMan spews:

    @4: Maybe the missing emails are in the same place as the missing ‘W’ keys from the computers.

  7. 7

    Jane Balogh's dog spews:

    4 & 6

    I wonder if he looked in Hillary’s closet he would find them. It seems like a lot of lost stuff in found there. Hehehe I mean roof roof

  8. 8

    Jane Balogh's dog spews:

    It’s pretty much bullshit that Democratic candidates have to come out in favor of science.

    Well donk science is bullshit. So I guess you are partially right. Does anyone know when those 6 huricanes are going to hit that you donks predicted back in 2006? They are almost two years late.

  9. 9

    YLB spews:

    Ah.. DOOFUS has made another prediction. May it turn out just like the ones he made about I-912.

    Silly mutt.

  10. 12

    Ozy's Dog spews:

    Hey, I know Jane’s Dog.
    Always been a dumb dog. I think it’s a case of values transfer.

    Doglanon is its only hope. They specialize in KOOLAID detoxification.

  11. 13

    spews:

    @3
    Why would you dems care if the Iranians were bombed? You wouldn’t hesitate in aborting their babies. Hypocrites.

    I guess it makes sense that someone who is brain dead can’t tell the difference between a fetus and an adult human being.

  12. 14

    rob spews:

    Carl Says: ” It would be bullshit to bomb these people.” They are killing Americans Soldiers, I guess Carl decided to support the “troop killers” instead of the troops. I am glad to see the left finally admit they never left the 60’s .

  13. 15

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @12 What do you expect from an animal species that greets people by sniffing their butts? Dogs are dumber than rocks. They eat their own shit. They keep chasing Roger Rabbit despite years of utter failure! You’d think they’d have figured out by now that I’m faster and more agile than they are, but no, all you can teach a dog is a few cute tricks like shaking paws and begging for food. I never beg for food! I don’t have to. There’s plenty of rabbit food available, right up the hill in Stefan’s yard. Yummy! I LOVE CARROTS. But I hate dogs. They should all be euthanized.

    P.S., Hey Jane’s dog, I just want to remind you that the last thing you’ll see in this world is the veterinarian pulling on a pair of rubber gloves and smiling at you as he picks up the syringe … :-X *

    * Representation of skull and crossbones

  14. 16

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Is The ‘Kennebunkport Warning’ Bullshit?

    Controversy has swirled around this document since its Aug. 26 release, both as to the authenticity of its signatures, and the contents. Various sources are calling the “Warning” a hoax on both counts.

    The document claims that Dick Cheney is behind the planning of a “false flag” terror attack on the U.S. as a pretext to attack Iran, and calls for his impeachment.

    Few progressives doubt that Cheney wants to attack Iran, or don’t want to impeach him, but many have shied away from the asserton that he would go so far as to stage a terror attack on U.S. soil to drum up public support for an Iran war.

    One of the Warning’s principal authors and peddlers now asserts the well-publicized B-52 flight carrying nuclear weapons on Aug. 30 was, in fact, not a snafu by low-level military personnel, but an intentional flight with Iran as the destination of the nuclear-tipped cruise missiles the plane carried, aborted at the last minute because of the publicity. http://rense.com/general78/kene.htm

    Such a flight did occur, and was reported by MSM. See, e.g., http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....ers23.html

    The notion that this administration would conduct a nuclear sneak attack against Iran is a stretch, but nevertheless within the bounds of what they seem capable of, and is lent some minor plausibility by the fact Bush has ratcheted up his anti-Iran rhetoric in his recent speech-making. And the undisputed fact of the B-52’s flight superficially lends it credence. (The flight was highly unusual; the Pentagon has moved nuclear weapons by ground transport for 40 years, and can be flown in U.S. airspace only by presidential order, because of a series of crashes in the 1950s and 1960s.)

    But the addition of a preliminary “false flag” terror attack against the U.S. turns it into a wild conspiracy theory; and hoaxes often are built around kernels of truth. The kernels of truth in this case being the Bush administration’s antipathy toward Iran, and the extraordinary nuclear-armed B-52 flight.

    The ST’s explanation of the incident is more reasonable, although it leaves me wondering why (and whether) the Air Force would use a B-52 to transport unarmed cruise missiles to a scrapyard. And why cruise missiles destined for scrapping would be sent to Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana, instead of a desert boneyard in Arizona or Nevada. In other words, the ST story has its own plausibility problems, and reads like it was uncritically lifted from a USAF press release without any independent journalistic investigation or fact-checking.

    What finally convinces me the “Kennebunkport Warning” is bullshit is the fact some diligent progressive sleuths have linked the people behind this document to Lyndon LaRouche’s organization. That speaks for itself. They’ve also identified a motive, which is to divide and discredit the anti-war movement. http://arabesque911.blogspot.c.....versy.html

    Last month’s B-52 flight was for real. In the real world, a fubar of this magnitude automatically results in the base commander being fired and forced into retirement, and everyone else in the chain of command all the way down to the airmen who fucked up will get their heads chopped off too; if that doesn’t happen, then something’s fishy.

    But, for now, I don’t believe that B-52 was on a secret mission to launch a nuclear attack against Iran. Still, I can’t help but wonder if Bush and Cheney are crazy enough …

  15. 17

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @14 “They are killing Americans Soldiers”

    What’s your proof of that? Cites please.

  16. 18

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Bush Administration Leakers Wrecked Intel-Gathering Operation

    “Firm says leak ruined efforts to monitor terror groups

    “By Warrick
    “The Washington Post

    “WASHINGTON — A small private intelligence company that monitors Islamic terrorist groups obtained a new Osama bin Laden video ahead of its official release last month, and around 10 a.m. Sept. 7, it notified the Bush administration of its secret acquisition. It gave two senior officials access on the condition they not reveal they had it until the al-Qaida release.

    “Within 20 minutes, a range of intelligence agencies had begun downloading it from the company’s Web site. By midafternoon, the video and a transcript of its audio track had been leaked from within the Bush administration to cable-television news and broadcast worldwide.

    “The founder of the company … says this premature disclosure tipped al-Qaida to a security breach and destroyed a years-long surveillance operation the company has used to intercept and pass along secret messages, videos and advance warnings of suicide bombings from the terrorists’ communications network. … Government officials declined to be interviewed on the record but did not challenge Katz’s version of events.”

    Quoted under fair use; for complete story and/or copyright info see http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....ing09.html

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: Why should anyone be surprised? It’s what we’ve come to expect from GOP klutzes.

  17. 19

    Puddybud spews:

    PelletHead: Not bad, here’s is one for ya. An article I’m sure YLB- THE Clueless ONE missed too. The leader of the democratic nominating circus gets interesting endorsements:

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/n.....E_ID=57970

    Fair use and copyright to WND:

    “”The Iraqi resistance is succeeding,” stated Hamed. “Hillary and the Democrats call for withdrawal. Her popularity shows that the resistance is winning and that the occupation is losing. We just hope that she will go until the end and change the American policy, which is based on oppressing poor and innocent people.”

    The Brigades, together with the Islamic Jihad terrorist group, took responsibility for every suicide bombing in Israel the past three years. The Brigades also has carried out hundreds of recent shootings and rocket attacks.

    Abu Ayman, an Islamic Jihad leader in Jenin, said he is “emboldened” by Clinton’s calls for an eventual withdrawal from Iraq.

    “It is clear that it is the resistance operations of the mujahideen that has brought about these calls for withdrawal,” boasted Abu Ayman.”

    Maybe the surrender crowd will get the message? Naaah…

  18. 20

    Puddybud spews:

    Hey Pellethead the Pelletmaker:

    Did you know: “But the terror leader commented he was “worried” if Hillary “defied Israel” she would be “brought down like her husband,” claiming White House intern Monica Lewinsky really was an Israeli Mossad implant sent to destroy President Clinton’s career after he pressured the Jewish state to evacuate territory to the Palestinians.”

    Fair use and copyright to WND.

  19. 22

    Puddybud spews:

    Hey YLB – The Clueless One: I know you are a proponent of the SCHIP program. It may have some benefit for the POOR CHILDREN. But look at the expose on the poster child used by your side? These people are the ones you hate YLB – The Clueless One. They are “rich entrepreneurs”. Oh… are the Democrats too? This is real BULLSHITTIUM – The radioactive kind:

    Fair use and copyright to the Weekly Standard.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/.....buzz_1.asp

    “”Halsey Frost has owned his own company ‘Frostworks’ since…1992 so he chooses to not give himself insurance.”

    I like this comment: “Interesting that public schools aren’t good enough for their kids but public health insurance is.”

    Puddy commentary – What you say, chose not to self-insure?

    This is why you all hate me. I find this wonderful Bullshit about the crap your side loves to parade. The SCHIP program will not benefit my people as long as there are your people who can afford insurance stealing it from my people.

    Do you get it?

  20. 23

    Puddybud spews:

    Of course the Pee-In-Your-Eye editorial staph would cum out against I-960. And of course the ASSIE Voice minions would be against it too.

    Isn’t this another Tim Eyman initiative?

    Doesn’t ASSIE Voice hate Tim Eyman?

  21. 24

    YellowPup spews:

    Speaking of bullshit, it looks like basic civil liberties are going to continue to take a beating because of political cowardice. I’ll call my Congresspeople, but only to feel like I did something:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10.....09nsa.html

    Democrats Seem Ready to Extend Wiretap Powers

    By ERIC LICHTBLAU and CARL HULSE
    Published: October 9, 2007

    WASHINGTON, Oct. 8 — Two months after insisting that they would roll back broad eavesdropping powers won by the Bush administration, Democrats in Congress appear ready to make concessions that could extend some crucial powers given to the National Security Agency.

    Administration officials say they are confident they will win approval of the broadened authority that they secured temporarily in August as Congress rushed toward recess. Some Democratic officials concede that they may not come up with enough votes to stop approval.

  22. 25

    Puddybud spews:

    For YLB – The Clueless One – Something from your side of the MSM. 38 Million Illegals. I wonder how many of them don’t have health insurance that are part of the 47.2 million “uninsured”?

    http://www.chron.com/disp/stor.....89638.html

    Can’t get much more left in a newspaper. Bill O’Reilly dislikes The Chron.

  23. 26

    YLB spews:

    Eff you and your Hillary paranoia PStupid. I just might vote for her to burn your silly ass and cancel your vote for Mitt the panderbear, granpa lazybones Fred or Rudy the cross-dresser

    And Eff your Wingnut Daily and its stupid fear mongering that you lap up like the stupid mutt you are.

    You and DOOFUS ought to hang out near the fire hydrant – Senator Craig, Foley or Ted Haggard might drop by. You might be surprised by man on dog Santorum and you can all have a prayer meeting.

  24. 27

    Puddybud spews:

    YellowPup: You are a day late. I posted this yesterday. Puddy is always ahead of the pack, but people like YLB – The Clueless One doesn’t like that!

  25. 28

    Puddybud spews:

    More Truth’s spun as Bullshit by the liberal MSM:

    http://tennessean.com/apps/pbc.....80385/1003

    Yet when you visit here:

    http://www.census.gov/svsd/www/adseries.html – click on Furniture sales. Values are in Millions!

    You see:

    Retail sales at “furniture and home furnishing stores” were $7.65 billion in August 2001,
    $7.85 billion in August 2002,
    $8.22 billion in August 2003,
    $8.81 billion in August 2004,
    $9.46 billion in August 2005,
    $10.23 billion in August 2006.
    $10.44 billion in August 2007.

    My math says this 36 percent higher August 2001, and since March 2006 this is the 18th consecutive month it passed the $10 billion sales level.

    So why does the AP like to lie?

    More truths that scare people like YLB – The Clueless One

  26. 30

    Puddybud spews:

    YLB – The Clueless One – I have to visit the “wing-nut daily” sites to counter the BULLSHIT from the left-wing whacko sites you drink the white sauce from (liberal kool-aid)!

  27. 31

    Puddybud spews:

    YLB – The Clueless One – You don’t fool me. When Hilary receives the democratic nomination, you’ll run from your job to vote for her. You won’t vote as a protest vote, you’ll vote for in with glee like a dog panting for it’s daily Milk-Bone(r) dog biscuit.

  28. 32

    Ricky Ricardo spews:

    Pud: The ‘Weekly Standard’ is published by Rupert Murdoch, who is an illegal alien. He needs to be jailed and deported.

  29. 33

    Puddybud spews:

    Ahhh Yes Ricky Ricardo, the truth hurts the liberal mind!

    I didn’t know Rupert Murdoch lives in the US illegally. Can you prove this muy “cubano” amigo?

  30. 34

    Puddybud spews:

    Ricky Ricardo: I googled “Rupert Murdoch illegal alien” and I couldn’t find anything in a quick cursory search. I’ll wait for the “impressive mind” response from your search.

    URL

    Citation

    Date and Time for Rupert Murdoch illegal alien.

  31. 36

    Don Joe spews:

    Puddy,

    Since I work for a living, I don’t have time to fact-check all of your bullshit, but I’ll take on a couple of them.

    @ 22, here’s what another Maryland resident had to say about insurance “choice” there:

    After my husband quit his job earlier this year (to become a full-time stay-at-home dad), we had a choice. We could either buy health insurance from his former employer through a program called COBRA at a cost of more than $1,000 per month(!) or we could go it alone in Maryland’s individual market. Given our financial circumstances, that “choice” wasn’t much of a choice at all. We had to go on our own.

    You’ll never guess who said that.

    @ 28, apparently your mathematics study never included a discussion of the concept of a “trend”, but the data you posted actually confirms what the AP article says. The smallest year-over-year increase in furniture sales was from Aug. 2006 to Aug. 2007, which is entirely consistent with a down-turn in sales from Aug. 2007 to the present.

    But, we get that “time” is a concept you don’t quite understand, so most folks here will probably cut you some slack for that but of bullshit.

    @ 19, saving the best for last, only a Republican would talk about “surrender” regarding a war that we won more than four years ago, and only a Republican would believe that the best way to fight the war on terror is to allow terrorists to influence the way we vote. This blatant use of the politcs of fear is what makes the Republican Party the largest terrorist organization operating within the United States, and, frankly, I think we should start treating all Republicans the way we treat any other terrorist.

  32. 38

    Another TJ spews:

    Re #22,

    This is why you all hate me. I find this wonderful Bullshit about the crap your side loves to parade. The SCHIP program will not benefit my people as long as there are your people who can afford insurance stealing it from my people.

    I don’t hate you; I pity you.

    What you found does qualify as B.S. but not in the way you believe. If you had done even a little bit of research, you would see that the characterization by the wingnuts of the Frost family finances is absolutely wrong. They fed you B.S., and you ate it up and asked for more.

    But I can’t blame you; you’ve got several sockpuppets to feed.

  33. 41

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @40 Has anyone else noticed it’s getting harder to tell the difference between conservatives and commies these days? (Note, both words start with “c”, and that’s not all they have in common! Neoconservatism’s Trotskyite roots are well known.)

  34. 43

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @28 Congratulations! You’ve proved housing sales are strong and home prices are rising! I can hardly wait to see your numbers on CDOs! I know of some banks that are trying to sell theirs.

  35. 44

    Another TJ spews:

    Don Joe @ 42,

    Ouch. I had suspected it was her, but I couldn’t bring myself to believe she’s *that* big a hypocrite (and I chose not to look it up – I figured you’d enlighten us). I should have known.

    New rule of thumb: when estimating the bottom of Malkin’s “barrel,” think of the worst I can imagine, then go at least two notches lower.

  36. 47

    Don Joe spews:

    Not the kid, but the dad’s a deadbeat now. Never mind that he’d done everything according to Republican “values,” but still couldn’t afford health insurance.

    This is the Republican gift that just keeps on giving. Apparently Limbaugh, using the original freeper comment as his source, waxed numbingly about this on his radio program as well.

    Really, wingnuts, how far does this kind of distraction have to go before you denounce it for what it is?

  37. 49

    Puddybud spews:

    Don Joe: I’ll start with you. I’m done working for da day so here goes:

    From the furniture article since your puny one celled mind missed this; “”I know the economy has been down since 9/11, but the housing slump combined with the weak economy, you have a double whammy.””

    Economy down since 9/11? The furniture industry has been posting gains just about every month – moe-ron! That’s what I posted Don Joe. Again facts are lost on your mind!

    Next one:”industry is the latest casualty of the ongoing housing and mortgage lending bust.”

    Golly Don Joe: You take out large sums of money to purchase furniture? Where did “buy it with cash” go?

    Don Joe: Surely on his way to dull knifedom!

  38. 50

    Puddybud spews:

    Don Joe; No onto your “retort” of my post #19.

    Where did a Republican say this? It was the enemies of Israel who said this. Just like when Nancy Pelosi was making her comments in early November and these same groups were cheering her on! I posted those comments too.

    Good try Don Joe. I guess your “friends” are scary huh? Are you sure your other name on Wipes isn’t chadt?

  39. 51

    Puddybud spews:

    Don Joe: Now about the Frosts.

    I seem to remember all these posts on ASSWipes about priorities. Amazingly the Frosts chose not to invest in health care where it would cost them:

    “$1200 per month for a family of 6 in Baltimore. Really? What are they smoking?

    A check of a quote engine for zip code 21250 (Baltimore) finds a plan for $641 with a $0 deductible and $20 doc copays.”

    My wife pays almost $200 a month just for herself here in FUWA and she pays $20 copays!

  40. 52

    Don Joe spews:

    @49, You were complaining about the Associated Press, not the people quoted in the piece. Are you now saying that the Associated Press shouldn’t quote the people they interview? I guess my “dullness” is a distinct inability to read your mind as opposed to what you actually wrote.

    @50, You’re also not paying attention. I don’t give a flying pig’s poke for what the enemies of Israel have to say about politics in the United States, and I find your suggestion that I should pay one iota’s attention to what enemies of Israel have to say about politics in the United States to be a completely reprehensible use of fear for the sake of political gain. I’ll merely note that the general term for the user of fear for political gain is “terrorism.”

    Stop using the politics of fear, Puddy, and I’ll stop calling you out for being the terrorist that you are when you so.

  41. 53

    Don Joe spews:

    Terrorist @ 52,

    Go back up and read through several of the links that ATJ and I have posted. All of the wingnut talking points you’re about to inflict upon us have already been dismissed. With prejudice.

    But, keep it coming. You expose yourself and the likes of Malkin and Reihl as the terrorists that you really are.

  42. 54

    Puddybud spews:

    Don Joe: Since there is no dispute they spent a sum of money to remodel their home instead of health insurance, where ‘s the priorities? Sure now after the accident all is being questioned but what about before?

    Didn’t your parents say if you fail to plan you plan to fail?

  43. 55

    Don Joe spews:

    Terrorist @ 54

    Puddy, the talking points have already been addressed several times over, including the alleged “facts” that your wingnut terrorist buddies have not been able to adequately document.

    As for my parents, they both live in homes I own debt free. I think I’ve stopped needing their advice for quite some time now.

  44. 56

    Puddybud spews:

    Ahhh yes, Don Joe: The AP should have questioned them on that comment but they let is slide. So when someone questions an AP article they are wrong to do so?

    You guys do it all the time on ASSWipes!

    When the enemies say Hilary’s position will empower them in their jihad it matters dumb ox! Apparently you’ve never been to the Middle East, but Puddy has four times! Visit Al Jazeera and read what they are saying!

  45. 57

    Don Joe spews:

    Terrorist at 56,

    Actually, sport, I’ve been to Isarael more times than you have, the first time being March of 1975 and the most recent being just a little short of four years ago.

    Now, why are you using the threats of Israel’s enemies to achieve political ends in this country?

  46. 58

    Puddybud spews:

    Oh so Stink Pukeheads is the “source of all that’s good”? Whiskey Fire tells it like it is?

    Don Joe: Do you self-insure? Do you use the self-employed insurance pools? I know what the rates are.

    Waaaa haaaa haaa haaa

  47. 59

    Don Joe spews:

    As for the AP article, you terrorist you, why blame the AP when the person they quoted is the one whom you have a beef? Not only are you a terrorist, you can’t even figure out the appropriate direction in which to point your fear-mongering tactics.

  48. 60

    Puddybud spews:

    Don Joe: I’ve been to the Arab countries “sport”. A few of them “sport”.

    How am I using their threats for political means except to post their rhetoric to Hilary’s pronouncements. They like what’s she’s saying.

  49. 61

    Another TJ spews:

    Oh so Stink Pukeheads is the “source of all that’s good”? Whiskey Fire tells it like it is?

    Says the sockpuppet relying on the “research” of a Freeper…

  50. 62

    Don Joe spews:

    Terrorist @ 58,

    Check out ATJ’s link at 46.

    And, no, I don’t self-insure. On the other hand, neither you nor your terrorist friends have sufficient information about the Frost family to obtain an accurate insurance quote for their particular circumstances. The only appropriate thing in your comments on this is that you’re making them in a thread about bullshit. At least you’re staying on topic.

  51. 63

    Puddybud spews:

    Golly Don Joe: I post the words and the AP article.

    1) Their guy has to be a Moonbat! to say the economy sucks since 9/11 because if he studied it the economy has not been that way.

    2) The AP didn’t question his supposition so they too are Moonbat!s.

    But Don Joe don’t let the facts get in your way.

  52. 66

    Don Joe spews:

    Terrorist @ 60,

    I’ve been to the Arab countries “sport”. A few of them “sport”.

    And your point, sport, is… what? You asked me if I’d ever been to the middle-east. The answer is that I, in fact, have been there. Not sure why it’s even relevant. Are you claiming some special knowledge that the rest of us don’t have? If you are, I can assure you, that it’s not readily apparent.

    How am I using their threats for political means except to post their rhetoric to Hilary’s pronouncements. They like what’s she’s saying.

    You’re not discussing Mrs. Clinton’s remarks on their own merits. Rather, you’re implying that we should completely discount the merits of her ideas merely because the enemies of Israel happen to like what she says. You’re attempting to invoke fear in order to achieve a political end, and that’s why I’m, quite justifiably, calling you a terrorist.

  53. 67

    Don Joe spews:

    Terrorist @ 63,

    See, this is what happens when you’ve lost any distinction between reporting the facts and stating an opinion. Is this why you keep dredging opinion pieces in order to find facts that will support your forgone conclusions?

  54. 68

    Don Joe spews:

    Terrorist @ 64,

    Are you claiming that the quotes you get through an online services are the actual fees said insurance companies will always give to people regardless of their particular circumstances? And, on this, you claim that Mrs. Frost was lying about their inability to afford health insurance?

  55. 69

    Don Joe spews:

    Terrorist @ 65,

    Make sure you scrub really hard after that meeting, so you don’t carry around any traces of C4.

  56. 70

    Another TJ spews:

    Check out ATJ’s link at 46.

    The money quote:

    I simply can not believe this is what the Republican party has become. I just can’t. It just makes me sick to think all those years of supporting this party, and this is what it has become. Even if you don’t like the S-Chip expansion, it is hard to deny what Republicans are- a bunch of bitter, nasty, petty, snarling, sneering, vicious thugs, peering through people’s windows so they can make fun of their misfortune.

    I’m registering Independent tomorrow.

  57. 72

    Another TJ spews:

    And because the sockpuppet is afraid to click on links that he knows will destroy his argument, here’s a little from Think Progress to help set Lambchop straight:

    1) Graeme has a scholarship to a private school. The school costs $15K a year, but the family only pays $500 a year.

    2) His sister Gemma attends another private school to help her with the brain injuries that occurred due to her accident. The school costs $23,000 a year, but the state pays the entire cost.

    3) They bought their “lavish house” sixteen years ago for $55,000 at a time when the neighborhood was less than safe.

    4) Last year, the Frosts made $45,000 combined. Over the past few years they have made no more than $50,000 combined.

    5) The state of Maryland has found them eligible to participate in the CHIP program.

    Desperate to defend Bush’s decision to cut off millions of children from health care, the right wing has stooped to launching baseless and uninformed attacks against a 12 year old child and his family.

    Right wing bloggers have been harassing the Frosts, calling their home numerous times to get information about their private lives. Compassionate conservatism indeed.

    Perhaps relying on Freepers for information is less than smart?

  58. 73

    Don Joe spews:

    ATJ,

    If that weren’t enough, Limbaugh and company only managed to garner a silver today in Olberman’s Worst Person in the World for the attack on the Frosts. The gold went to BillO. And, I have to agree. BillO deserved it even more.

  59. 75

    Don Joe spews:

    He still refuses to apologise for his comments about Shawn Hornbeck, despite Devlin’s revelation that he had intended to kill Hornbeck.

  60. 77

    Puddybud spews:

    HEy Don Joe, I’m back. Terrorist huh?

    Yes, you better look out for me in an airport. Not!

  61. 78

    Puddybud spews:

    #60: My Point?

    My point is they hate anyone who disagrees with their world view. They call for US withdrawal. What does Hilary preach?

  62. 79

    Puddybud spews:

    Don Joe: What happened to the little sister is horrible. But again, one has to make choices. That’s my argument. Why do I have to pay for their insurance when they made their choices?

    So I guess I should give up my insurance so you can pay for my insurance? This is the bottom line Don Joe.

    I’ll send you my bill.

  63. 81

    Puddybud spews:

    #67 I reported the facts from the government sales. The person stated his opinion of the economy after 9/11. The AP didn’t correct his opinion.

    And your point is?

  64. 82

    Puddybud spews:

    Don Joe: It’s because anything Hilary says has no merit. Have I posted anything on Wipes where I like her?

    Ahhhh… NOPE!

  65. 83

    Puddybud spews:

    And Don Joe: I like how you skip over the other posts to focus on three, two of them weakly. I guess you have no comeback for those other ones.

  66. 84

    Don Joe spews:

    Terrorist @ several,

    Yes, you are, indeed, a terrorist. Your uncritical spouting of the politics of fear has done more harm to America than the 9/11 terrorists, and that’s not hyperbole. When are you going to realize that you don’t fight terrorism by using fear?

    Regarding the Frosts: your rabid anti-government ideology prevents you from seeing how government is actually better equipped to provide insurance than the private sector. First, the government is able to spread the risks out over the entire population. Second, government doesn’t have to make a profit, which means there are more funds available to provide services to those who actually need the services. But, rather than discuss these issues, you’d rather parrot someone else feeble attempt to attack a 12 yr old boy and his family.

    As for my point with the AP article, it should be obvious. You define people as “moonbats” as a matter of rhetorical convenience and not based on any reasonably objective definition. By practice, you’ve rendered your use of the term “moonbat” completely and utterly meaningless. Wwell, except if you want to define a “moonbat” as anyone saying something you think is stupid, but that’s really not saying much. You calling someone stupid is like a snake calling a worm short.

  67. 85

    Don Joe spews:

    Terrorist @ 82,

    You don’t discuss Mrs. Clinton’s policies at all, well except to post comments designed to invoke fear and loathing. That doesn’t require your agreement, but it does require you to say something intelligent in response.

    Terrorist @ 83,

    I begain my participation in this thread by saying that I work for a living, and, therefore, don’t have the time to respond to all of your bullshit. Did you simply forget what I said, or are you now calling me a liar?

  68. 87

    Puddybud spews:

    Moe-Don the Moe-ron@85.

    Hilary Clinton’s pronouncements on the campaign trail are her policies. Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh!

    Is that clear enough for you? Remember John Effin Kerry and how he “claimed” World Leaders liked his 2004 campaign pronouncements? Ohhhhhhhhh, but this is different isn’t it Moe-Don because it’s Hilary?

    What a sap!

  69. 88

    Puddybud spews:

    Yes, the government is better equipped to handle insurance issues?

    That’s a bunch of crock.

    How many government programs are full of greed, graft and earmarks?

    How many government programs have overruns?

    How many government programs have failed the inner city since 1965?

    We’ve spent over 9 Trillion on social programs and we still have the problems Moe-Don!

    Back to the Frosts. When my wife and I started in life we bought insurance plain and simple. Life choices cause life issues later.

    Why do you liberals think government is ALWAYS the answer?

    Tell me one government program which has helped people out of poverty.

    WIC?
    Welfare?
    Reduced price School Lunches?
    Food Stamps?

    Not anecdotes – a government program that has brought people out of poverty!

    You may claim college scholarships but that’s debatable.

  70. 90

    Don Joe spews:

    Terrorist @ 87

    I know what Mrs. Clinton’s policies are. That’s not the point. The point is that you refuse to discuss those policies in any meaningful way. Your only comentary on them is to quote terrorists, which is what makes you a terrorist yourself.

    Why, by the way, do you insist on misspelling Mrs. Clinton’s first name?

    Terrorist @ 88

    How ’bout the GI bill, or the fact that the most efficient health care system in America is run by the Veteran’s Administration?

    And, yes, we’ve failed to eradicate poverty, in no small part due to Republican efforts to dismantle programs rather than work to resolve some of the problems with the programs. Are you prepared to argue that the problem of poverty has not been alleviated by government programs? Are you prepared to say that these programs cannot be improved, and, therefore should be cut entirely?

    Your diatribe about government “ALWAYS” being the answer is yet another straw man. Government is part of the answer, but not the entire answer, and certainly not for everything. I have never, for example, argued that government should take over the means of production. I have argued that a combination of market solutions and government presence is most likely to produce a favorable result, and nearly every conservative with which I’ve tried to have this discussion has failed to address the issues. Nearly every one of them have digressed, as you just have, into an anti-government diatribe that seems little more than a tacit admission that you cannot intelligently discuss the issues.

    Your failure to address the specifics involved in government-run vs. private insurance is a classic case of this. When are you going to realize that your refusal to discuss the specific details concedes the argument?

    As for the Frosts, you really are missing the big picture. This is another Schaivo moment for the right wing nut-o-sphere. If you truly value conservativism, then I suggest you start nudging folks like Michelle Malkin, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’Reilly to the edge of the herd. While you’re at it, you might also tell Fox Noise to can the “far and balanced” act, and just report the truth.

  71. 91

    YLB spews:

    It matters for two reasons: one, to minimize the damage wingnuts can and will do to those people they choose to target, and two, in order to discredit the system by which slime bubbles up from the wingnut cesspits and ends up as Conventional Media Wisdom

    Hah! Nice catch ATJ – that’s exactly the world of Puddybud’s mind – the wingnut cesspit. When the wingnuts get all going on a bullshit tear like Able Danger or the Gorelick wall – Puddybud does what he’s told and brings it to HA.org.

    He is directed, controlled, conditioned and manipulated by total right wing bullshit and those who believe political advantage can be gained by the manufacture of that bullshit.

  72. 92

    YLB spews:

    Puddybud loves terror. He loves being afraid. He loves spreading fear, uncertainty, doubt. Some people are stupid enough to fall into those traps of being manipulated by fear mongering instead of rationally and calmly dealing with potential threats. Puddybud is one of those people and he deal with his fears by copying and pasting fear mongering bullshit here at HA.org.

    It’s the wingnut mentality. He reads WND, NewsWhacks, Murdoch, Scaife and Moon publications to lap up fear-mongering crap about the swarthy guys with funny last names with that wild glint in their eye.

    Watch out for those guys Puddybud when you hop on that plane!

    Boo!

  73. 93

    Puddybud spews:

    Isn’t this the same group who complained about FEMA, which as I remember was a government agency. But wait… I heard this too FEMA was Bush’s fault. When Puddy reminded you all of Jesse Jackson’s complaints about FEMA response to the 1999 Carolina Hurricane… of course you gave that a pass.

    Or how about the government and education? You complain about the No Child Left Behind. Hmmm…? As Puddy remembers that was a Ted Kennedy “program”.

  74. 94

    Puddybud spews:

    Moe-Don the Moe-ron above: I mispelled Hilary’s name because I don’t respect her or her policies.

    IS THAT SIMPLE ENOUGH?

    Oh so I’m a terrorist for telling you all what they think of her “policies”?

    Waaa haaa haaaaa haaaaaaahaaaaa haaa haaaa haaaaahaaahaaahaaa

  75. 95

    Puddybud spews:

    Moe-Don the Moe-ron finger-belched:

    And, yes, we’ve failed to eradicate poverty, in no small part due to Republican efforts to dismantle programs rather than work to resolve some of the problems with the programs. Are you prepared to argue that the problem of poverty has not been alleviated by government programs? Are you prepared to say that these programs cannot be improved, and, therefore should be cut entirely?

    Hmmm…? What has that got to do with the tea in the Boston Harbor since 1770? Wasn’t it the great black President BillyBob who claimed one of his greatest successes was welfare reform?

    So Moe-Don the Moe-ron, we’ve spent close to $5.1 trillion in fighting the poverty war and we still have poverty “sport”!

  76. 96

    Puddybud spews:

    YLB The Clueless One: The Gorelick Wall – Validated by FBI Agent Colleen Rowley and US Asst Attny Mary Jo White. You use Slade Gorton out of context which I corrected you on twice now. Go back and read his exact quote. You created your liberal paradise in your puny single celled mind which can’t let allow you to let it go!

    If I was “directed, controlled, conditioned and manipulated by total right wing bullshit” why am I for R-67?

    You live up to your Clueless name and are in the Dull Knife Ring of Honor on ASSWipes and one of the new Three Stooges!

  77. 97

    Puddybud spews:

    Wasn’t it Jon Corzine this week who said: “New Jersey spends more SCHIP money on adults than they do on children.”

    I thought the C in Chip was Children?

  78. 98

    Another TJ spews:

    When the wingnuts get all going on a bullshit tear like Able Danger or the Gorelick wall – Puddybud does what he’s told and brings it to HA.org.

    Good call. Lambchop just can’t help it.

  79. 99

    Puddybud spews:

    Moe-Don the Moe-ron also fingered:

    Your diatribe about government “ALWAYS” being the answer is yet another straw man. Government is part of the answer, but not the entire answer, and certainly not for everything.

    Wait a minute… That’s the democratic mantra. For every ill in America your side proposes an NEW guvmint program. I thought that’s the NEW PRogressive deomcrat mantra? Now Moe-Don the Moe-ron, you deciding to leave the reservation? Welcome to Reality 101.

  80. 100

    Don Joe spews:

    Terrorist @ 93,

    Isn’t this the same group who complained about FEMA, which as I remember was a government agency.

    Why the group-think, and why do you persistently refuse to discuss the issues in detail? Are you saying that FEMA has gotten better under Republican rule?

    As for NCLB, are you saying Kennedy is also responsible for the underfunding of the program, and don’t you think it more than a bit disingenuous to underfund a program, and then point to the program as an example of government failure?

    Terrorist @ 94,

    Oh so I’m a terrorist for telling you all what they think of her “policies”?

    Not entirely. It’s your use of fear combined with the fact that you adamantly refuse to discuss the details of those policy proposals that garners you the “terrorist” label. You’re invoking the politics of fear. Your argument isn’t that we should disavow Mrs. Clinton’s policy ideas because those policy ideas are flawed in any way. Your argument consists solely of saying that we should refuse Mrs. Clinton’s policy ideas because certain bad people like those policy ideas. You’re doing nothing but invoking fear.

    Terrorist @ 94,

    Again you fall into the fallacy of the excluded middle. Why the false dichotomy between having the government do nothing at all and asking the government to completely eradicate poverty? Can we agree that we will likely not ever completely eradicate poverty, and move on from there?

    Of course, I’m asking you questions when you’ve dodged the other questions I’ve asked you. Perhaps I shouldn’t cut you quite that mush slack, but I take it, then, that you are not prepared to argue that government programs have failed to alleviate poverty. It’s nice to see that at least a modicum of reality is able to seep into this discussion.

    But, again, I have to point out your adamant refusal to discuss the issues in any reasonable detail, and how that refusal undercuts anything you have to say on the subject.

  81. 101

    Puddybud spews:

    Isn’t your side Moe-Don the Moe-ron, using your side using this as a political issue?

    Didn’t your guvnur Gregoire claim this is not a political issue yet behind the scenes she sends out a mailer bemoaning this Schip veto?

  82. 102

    Puddybud spews:

    Moe-Don the Moe-ron, I FIRST asked you to name a government policy that has worked.

    You can’t answer my question with another question and then claim I’m dodging you! Debate 101.

    I still await your answer to my original question that you DODGED!

    BTW I have to go to work in less than four minutes.

  83. 103

    Puddybud spews:

    Moe-Don the Moe-ron, Hilary is promoting everyone have health insurance given by the government and $5000 to boot.

    Where is the excluded middle there?

  84. 105

    Don Joe spews:

    Terrorist @ 101,

    Now you’ve managed to descend into complete incoherence. Grab a handi-wipe, clean the spittle off your keyboard and monitor, and see if you can’t restate the point you’re trying to make using complete sentences.

    That said, I presume you’re trying to justify the wingnut-o-sphere’s harassment of the Frost family. What a pathetic bit of sputtering. Whatever the politics involved, you can’t possibly justify the kind of harassment directed at the Frost family. But, keep trying. As I said, this is yet another Schaivo moment. The more you try to justify the way the wingnut-o-sphere has treated the Frost family, the more extreme you look and the less credibility you have with anyone who isn’t a partisan hack.

    That said, I’m at a loss to understand how Governor Gregoire’s efforts to inform us about the details of the SCHIP program and the effect of the President’s veto should be considered in the same light as the behavior of the Stalkin’ Malkins, but I’m sure you’ll be able to clear that up for us all (like just about the time pigs start flying).

    PS, I think your “Moe-ron” shtick is really quite funny. It reminds me of Stork’s line in Animal House, “What are we s’posed to do, ya moe-ron?” I can just see you with a pocket-protector and Coke-bottle glasses exhibiting just about the same amount of intelligence. I’m half expecting you to talk about the time the Germans bombed Perl Harbor.

  85. 107

    Don Joe spews:

    Terrorist @ 102

    I named two of them. If you’re not going to read what I write, then concede the arguments and slither away.

    Terrorist @ 103

    You state the facts wrong. Sen. Clinton’s proposal allows people to continue with whatever health coverage they currently have, and involves a cooperative venture between government and private insurance companies (largely relying on insurance companies to handle the administration of claims). As it stands, it’s one of the better proposals on the table, though, frankly, I think I like Sen. Obama’s plan a little better. Sen. Obama’s plan does a better job of pooling the risks.

  86. 108

    Another TJ spews:

    Hunter, over at the Great Orange Satan’s place, has this to say about the attacks on the Frosts:

    These people think the premise of not doing the worst possible thing to even the smallest political enemy at every possible opportunity would be nothing but an act of weakness. God help them and me both, but I sincerely hope they someday find themselves on the receiving end of the same treatment. They lack all semblances of human empathy: like exceptionally vicious and stupid dogs, punishment in-kind would be the only way they would ever learn. No, that is not true — dogs do learn from kindness. In the entire animal kingdom, only conservatives do not.

    It’s long past time for people to stop treating Fox-style, Malkin-style, Limbaugh-style conservatism as merely a “political” phenomenon. It may once have been, but it isn’t now. As of this millennium, it’s nothing but a hate movement with neckties. Protofascism with bright, patriotic logos. Stop treating it with anything but revulsion and disdain. Stop pretending for even a bare moment that they are anything more than thugs.

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....224358/287

  87. 109

    Puddybud spews:

    Moe-Don the Moe-ron: I asked “Tell me one government program which has helped people out of poverty.”

    You offered: GI Bill as your final answer!

    GI Bill gets poor people out of poverty?

    Now that’s a great one Moe-Don the Moe-ron

  88. 110

    Puddybud spews:

    Moe-Don the Moe-ron: I suggested family choices from the Frost family put them where they are. Read this thread again.

  89. 111

    Puddybud spews:

    Moe-Don the Moe-ron: You are right about one thing. Hilary does allow you to keep your existing plan. I stand corrected.

  90. 112

    Don Joe spews:

    Terrorist @ 109

    You asked for government programs that worked. I gave you an answer, at which point you moved the goal post to this effemeral notion of “getting people out of poverty,” and, frankly, I have no idea what you mean by that. Clearly you’re objecting to the GI bill as an example, but it sure has opened the doors of opportunity to people who would have had those doors opened without it. Do you have some obscure notion of cause-and-effect in mind?

    Terrorist @ 110

    Oh, I’ve read the thread. What you did was post the same talking points that the wingnut-o-sphere have been kicking around the internet all week, which is more than simply saying that they made their own choices and should live with those choices. You’ve participated in the same smear campaign.

    I’ll note that neither you, nor any of the other right-wing HA regulars have answered my question posted at http://www.horsesass.org/?p=3544#comment-698991.

    You’re more than welcome to backpedal on the whole Frost family thing, or you can do the honerable thing, as you did at 111, and for which I commend you.

  91. 113

    Another TJ spews:

    Lambchop: I suggested family choices from the Frost family put them where they are.

    With a modest roof over their heads, a modest income, food on the table, a good education…

    They had to choose between these things and health care. That’s why they were the perfect people to explain what is being lost when the CHIP program is vetoed. CHIP fills the gap between the people who can afford private insurance and people who are destitute (and qualify for other programs).

    There are a lot of people who are getting squeezed. Even though they work hard, pay their bills, raise their kids right, they don’t make enough money to insure themselves. Putting food on the table and a roof over that table are not luxuries; they are necessities. As Michelle Malkin put it so eloquently, “that “choice” wasn’t much of a choice at all.”

  92. 114

    Another TJ spews:

    Read this thread again.

    Lambchop, interesting statement from someone who’s afraid to click the links offered in the thread. If *you* had read the thread, you wouldn’t have made quite the fool of yourself.

  93. 117

    Puddybud spews:

    Moe-Don the Moe-ron: Go look at my original ephemeral goal post you so aptly continue to miss. You don’t like my premise so you try and spin shit out of my silky question. Good try little padowan, but the master has been there and done that with other ASSWipers!

    Last Time: I have asked the same question three times “Tell me one government program which has helped people out of poverty.”, not “a government program that worked” per your definition.

    Spin it all you want. You’ve a had over a day to discuss a program that has helped people out of poverty, and you are a miserable failure to boot.

    All this other argumentum ad nauseum you and ATJ are sockpuppeting back and forth is FUTILE!

  94. 118

    Puddybud spews:

    Moe-Don the Moe-ron:

    Life is about choices.

    The first time you match clothes against your mother’s wishes

    The first time you date someone

    The first time you kiss someone

    The first time you fuck someone

    The high school curriculum you choose

    The first time you vote

    The first used/new car you choose

    The first college or university you attend

    The first major you choose

    The first suit you choose for interviewing

    The first job you accept

    The apartment you live in

    The new car you choose

    The new motorcycle you choose

    The spouse you choose

    The honeymoon location chosen

    What INSURANCE you purchase for your family

    When you decide to have children

    How many children to beget

    What bigger house you get

    How you react to the life curveballs delivered by circumstances

    All those are life choices. Some do wisely others not so wisely.

  95. 120

    Another TJ spews:

    Oh, and just in case you hadn’t figured it out yet, Lambchop, you’re dismissed… with prejudice.

  96. 121

    Don Joe spews:

    Terrorist @ 117

    My apologies. So I misread your original question. Nevertheless, I did point out that there is ample reason to believe that programs like the GI bill have helped people out of poverty. You’ve pooh-pooh’ed that claim without a serious argument.

    Having said that, you still haven’t addressed my original point, i.e. that there are some things the government is very will suited to doing. You danced down the whole poverty sideline without actually addressing that point, and now you accuse me of “spin”. Pot, kettle, black, sport.

    Even if I concede your point on poverty (which I am under no rhetorical obligation to do at this pont), that, by no means, counters the point that there are, in fact, some things where the government can actually do something worthwhile, and being an insurance agent is one of them for the reasons I’ve already stated. In fact, two of the most successful government programs in U. S. history are, effectively, insurance programs.

    Terrorist @ 118

    Yes, life is about choices, and you’re still failing to take responsibility for your original choice of posting the now completely discredited claims about Graeme Frost and his family. That horse is dead, and the Republican side has lost. Big time.

    Can you explain why Republicans so often remind other people about the consequences of choices while failing to take responsibility for their own choices?

  97. 122

    Don Joe spews:

    By the way, Terrorist, this particular thread has just scrolled off the bottom of my RSS aggregator. So don’t expect me to reply to anything else you have to say in this thread. If you want me to see your remarks, post them in one of the more recent open threads.