This Week In Bullshit

* I’m glad that there’s someone calling bullshit on the foreign policy establishment. A desire to attack anyone who didn’t attack us on 9/11 is acceptable, but the idea of getting the people who attacked us is beyond the pale. Odd those serious people.

* Seriously chicken hawks, don’t complain about being called chicken hawks unless you’re willing to get your head handed to you.

* And speaking of chicken hawks, Bill Kristol is impressed with what the U.S. Military is doing in Iraq.

* But at least Kristol isn’t wishing for another terror attack on U.S. soil. You know, for unity sake.

* And in any event, an interviewer’s questions totally proves that all liberals are looking for an Islamic version of creation science.

Locally, the crazies can’t compete with all that. But they’ll try.

* Dino Rossi’s idea man has decided that we should annex Mexico. Just make it a state. Oh and then force them to all speak English. That’s my favorite part of the plan.

* Some conservatives engaged in media criticism.

* Dave Reichert is still neither independent or bi-partisan.

This is an open thread

Comments

  1. 2

    spews:

    @1
    What are you people afraid of?

    Having a blog where we’re obligated to read your addled mind to determine what topics we should be covering.

  2. 3

    The Guy With No Car spews:

    Hunh. Coulda sworn I saw a mention or two of Rove on the other threads. Musta been my ‘stigmatism.

  3. 4

    Dick spews:

    I’m not arguing that “It was Dan Savage’s column in the Stranger that got us into Iraq.” I’m arguing that as one of the voices added to the Bushies’ voices promoting and supporting the war Savage bears some of the responsibility for what has happened. Compared to Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld, Savage’s role is minor, but he, like every other war supporter, is responsible for some of the carnage nonetheless. I don’t know how to spell that out any more clearly.
    So Seattle’s liberals can associate with Dan Savage and applaud his wit, and make excuses for him saying that other people were fooled by the lying Bushies too; but he is, in fact, a war monger whether his fans like it or not.

    Read Dan Savage’s “SAY YES TO WAR column yourself. Read Savage’s contempt for stupid squish head liberals. Read how casually he argues that this war will be good for Iraqi children. Read his arrogant hubris! Here’s the link.
    http://www.thestranger.com/sea.....?oid=12237

  4. 5

    Proud To Be An Ass spews:

    Greenwald is a must read just about every day. Some more recommended readings on foreign policy:

    Nemesis, Chalmers Johnson
    Blowback, same guy
    House of War, James Carroll
    The Iron Cage, Rashid Khalidi
    Contours of Descent, Robert Pollin
    The Global Class War, Jeff Faux

    anything by Chomsky just so if you want to criticize him (which is OK) you will have some idea of what the fuck he wrote

    enjoy.

  5. 6

    Another TJ spews:

    No mention of Rove yet?

    What are you people afraid of?

    Rove resigns in disgrace, and our hosts are supposed to be afraid? Only in the wingnut mind…

  6. 8

    Dick spews:

    Sadly, I have no more time to waste pulling the covers off the war monger Dan Savage. If you so-called liberal/progressives want to hang out with a conservative self-promoter posing as a liberal–well it’s your credibility that is tarnished.

    Roger rabbit, headless lucy, proud to be an ass, daddy cool, wow, lee, guy with no car—I’m sure that there is no sock puppetry going on with you guys right? These are your real names right? I ask because Darryl told me yesterday that sock puppetry is frowned upon here at horsesass. But then he was upset with me for publishing Dan Savage’s own words. Words like these:
    “War may be bad for children and other living things, but there are times when peace is worse for children and other living things, and this is one of those times.”

    And these:
    “In the meantime, invading and rebuilding Iraq will not only free the Iraqi people, it will also make the Saudis aware of the consequences they face if they continue to oppress their own people while exporting terrorism and terrorists. The War on Iraq will make it clear to our friends and enemies in the Middle East (and elsewhere) that we mean business: Free your people, reform your societies, liberalize, and democratize… or we’re going to come over there, remove you from power, free your people, and reform your societies for ourselves.”

  7. 9

    Dick spews:

    Adios Roger Rabbit! Adios Headless Lucy! Adios Daddy Cool!
    Adios Proud to be ab ass! Adios WOW! Adios guy with no car!
    Adios Darryl and Goldy! Give Dan Savage a big wet platonic kiss the next time you circle jerk!

  8. 10

    Me, the original and only spews:

    Rove resigns in disgrace?

    Hardly.

    Rove resigned when he wanted to resign. I suspect we’ll see a great big fat book deal (to really make the leftys foam at the mouth) then his being persuaded to jump back into presidential politics if only to smack down the Hillabitch broad.

    I can see why the lefties are miffed though. With Karl out of the picture, that eliminated a fantastic BDS tool. It’s like some big bully took away the lefties’ little red wagon.

    Bush/Rove kick the dems asses around for six years and the libs claim the Republican party is in tatters? With a 14% (some polls as low as 3%) approval rating for running Congress, what do the libs run on, new and creative post office names?

    If the Dems are winning and Rove (the devil) is leaving and the Repubs collapsing, why are you leftys getting madder instead of happier?

  9. 11

    klake spews:


    SM Schwartz what makes you think I’m a Republican? No I’m not 12 but 60 years old and the only voice I’m hearing is what you write. You miss the real connection about Roger and Joseph but that’s how you see it from your vantage point. You bring up many interesting points, but stay away from stereotyping I find it a slippery slope. Remember Melos they went down that very road that the Democrats are headed. Oh! By the way I’m a Democrat not a Socialist Democrat and I have seen more of this world than most folks. You really meet nice people even in the battle field. God Bless. Oh if offend you for not being Political Correct SORRY.

    1. SeattleJew says:
    More for Klake
    Congratulations. You pissed me off enough to get featured in the Pessimism column at SeattleJew.
    Puffybut

  10. 12

    klake spews:

    OH I FORGOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Roger is the Minister for Public Enlightenment and Propaganda for the Socialist Democrats Party today just like Paul Joseph Goebbels was in Hitler Germany. His Nazi friends taught him the trade when he visited them in jail.
    Yes Seattle Jew is a nice man but sometime missinformed.

  11. 13

    Another TJ spews:

    Rove resigns in disgrace?

    Yep. He’s under investigation for at least three high profile scandals (Abramoff, USA firings, and OSC tampering). His reputation as a political “genius” is in tatters (among others: Social Security, Katrina, 2006 elections – Republicans are even openly challenging his performance in 2000 and 2004). And his attempts to win over Latino voters have been sunk by the racist/xenophobic wing of the GOP.

    And, of course, the White House offered up four different explanations (seriously, four) today for why he was leaving. If he really was leaving on his own terms, they wouldn’t have had to do so much grasping and backtracking today.

  12. 14

    Proud To Be An Ass spews:

    By Dick. Your presence here was brutal, aggressive, merciless in its absolute fire breathing purity, and thankfully very short (Although I must confess my ignorance, since I don’t read Savage).

    But if I ever see him, I’ll give him your regards.

  13. 16

    spews:

    #10, What did Rove accomplish besides getting the worst president in our country’s history elected (not) and re-elected (not again) by using fear, election fraud, voter suppression, and his daddy’s reputation?

    The ability of Bush being elected twice only shows how retarded 50 million mouth breathing sheep can be.

    The Republicon Party has been completely destroyed, and almost twice as many people call themselves Democrats these days than Republicons. They have been nothing but a fraud for years anyway, and today most Americans understand this. Anyone with a working brain can see they are just a bunch of crybaby, corrupt, dishonest, fake christian chickenhawks.

    Just remember wingnuts. The investigations, and prosecutions for turning our justice dept. into a voter suppression unit for the Republicon Party have just begun.

    Gonzales admitted Rove was giving political briefings to justice department (not capitalized on purpose) officials. This is, if you don’t know it in violation of many laws. I know, I know, when it comes to running our government for the good of the GOP any law that can be broken will be, and not prosecuted right?

    When you start crying about all those investigations, remember they spent 10 times as much time investigating Clinton’s Christmas Card List as they did Abu Gharib.

    The sooner the GOP and their Anti-Constitution brain dead traitor loving maggot supporters are driven from power by the people (or put in cages which is what they deserve) the better. Good riddance. It is time for the government to serve the people, and not just the top 1%, Exxon/Mobil, and Halliburton.

    In a perfect world Rove, and Libby would already have been hung for TREASON, along with the rest of the gang that destroyed Brewster Jennings.

    I bet you cons don’t even know what Brewster Jennings was.

  14. 17

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    #6 Another TJ says:

    Rove resigns in disgrace…

      
    What is the reason for him to stick around. Bush can’t run again. Rove did his job. Get over it, or as your fellow democrats say, Move On.

  15. 19

    PuffyButtPretendingToBeBlackSays spews:

    Speaking of BULLSHIT!

    “But there’s little doubt Rove is leaving under a cloud. He is the subject of a number of investigations by the Democrat-led Congress, including a probe into the firings of U.S. attorneys and political activity by officials at various government agencies.”

    So what did the gay-prostitute-loving Karl do? He quit. He cut and run. He did what all Publicans do when they’re called on their BULLSHIT. He stuck his tail between his legs and gave up. From top to bottom there’s NO doubt that the Bush regime will be remembered as THE most inept and corrupt in our nation’s history and a big part of that will be this asswipe Rove.

  16. 20

    PuffyButtPretendingToBeBlackSays spews:

    I have some friends that are followng Mitt Romney to all his campaign stops during the next two weeks holding signs that say:

    “Hey Mitt – why aren’t your five sons in Iraq?”

    Chickenhawk Chickenhawk Chickenhawk – when a Publican says he supports the troops it’s bullshit. If he supported the troops he’d send his sons to take their place!

  17. 21

    Me, the original and only spews:

    Rove didn’t destroy anything but Dems hopes and dreams
    Lefty’s just have some sort of man-love crush on him..
    love to hate him, gives them a reason… or did, to get up and spew.

    The Dims are more upset that the lost one of their hateful talking point mantras by the retirement of such a hated Republican.
    “War for Oil”
    “Haliburton”
    “Bush Lied”
    “Karl Rove… err… Global Warming”

    That’s the beauty of it! Dr. Rove has set the dems up to win the election during a time when we most certainly will be attacked. This will ensure a Republican administration for the following 32 years. It’s so obvious that this was his plan all along. Many people just don’t realize just how powerfull this guy is. For example, I also hear he has hollywood executives in his pocket that have a secret plan to bring back ‘Flipper’.

    Lefty refrain du jour:

    “Yaaaayy! We win! We “got” a member of the administration! Whooppeeeee!!!”

    Of course it’s not accurate, but even if it were, it’s infantile.

    Aw, hell. Let the leftys have their party. I mean, it’s not like they have much else to be happy about.

  18. 22

    The Guy With No Car spews:

    8

    I don’t know what you’re talking about. I’m a guy, and I have no car. That makes me The Guy With No Car.

    I’ve been online many years and I have many names. If you think I’m going to cop to any of them but this one, or that my not using a meatspace name indicates some sort of sockpuppetry, that’s your problem. I’m not going to change my life for you.

    And for the record, I really don’t pay a lot of attention to what Dan Savage says, one way or the other.

  19. 23

    The Guy With No Car spews:

    16

    Brewster Jennings? Ooooh! Ooooh! I know this one! He was the butler on some 70s sitcom, right? </snark>

  20. 24

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @1 We’re not afraid of Rove. He’s simply another crime case waiting to be worked.

  21. 25

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @8 “Roger rabbit, … These are your real names right?”

    HELL NO!!! Of course I post under a fake name! Do you think I want the FBI tapping my phone? Or some wingnut throwing a molotov cocktail into my burrow? Besides, people would laugh at me if they knew my real name is Clyde Bunny.

    “The War on Iraq will make it clear to our friends and enemies in the Middle East (and elsewhere) that we mean business: Free your people, reform your societies, liberalize, and democratize… or we’re going to come over there, remove you from power, free your people, and reform your societies for ourselves.”

    How’s that working out for you guys so far?

  22. 26

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @8 In response to your question of whether Roger Rabbit engages in sockpuppetry on HorsesAss, the answer is no. Posting under a pseudonym is not sockpuppetry.

    “Sockpuppet” has meant a number of things in common usage, but the definition used by HA’s moderators is similar to the following:

    “[A] recent NY Times article defines ‘sock-puppeting’ as ‘the act of creating a fake online identity to praise, defend or create the illusion of support for one’s self, allies or company.’ The key difference between a sockpuppet and a regular pseudonym is the conveyance that the puppet is a third party who is not affiliated with the puppeteer.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.....nternet%29

    Thus, to engage in sockpuppetry, one must have at least two online identities. An illustration of sockpuppetry would be if I posted under another identity and said, “Roger Rabbit is right.” I don’t do that. I’m sure the other liberal posters you mentioned don’t, either. So go fuck yourself.

  23. 29

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @17 We’re going to move on to investigations, subpoenaes, indictments, and prosecutions. Rove broke laws. He’s gonna need the signed presidential pardon he’s got locked in a safe somewhere.

  24. 31

    Me, the original and only spews:

    Angry Liberals: Check

    Kneejerk reactions by said Liberals: Check

    Mouth foam at the mere mention of ‘Rove': Check

    The absolute bitterness in not being able to touch Rove? Priceless.

    The “Rove” effect remains at full potency.

    Given the effect Karl invariably has on the moonbats, he must be doing something right . . . And really, who are the lefty’s going to blame everything on now that Rove’s gone?

    If I were a psychiatrist, I’d be advertising specials on treatments for BKRS (Blame Karl Rove Syndrome) and KRTS (Karl Rove Tourrettes Syndrome) withdrawls. Group rate plans would be available and would be administered through kiosks set up at laundramats, food stamp distribution points, media outlet centers, Starbucks and anti-everything rallies.

    Now lefty’s have a convenient excuse for fuck-ups too … Rove withdrawl.

    Funny how bold you lefty’s get after winning one election in a row, isn’t it?

  25. 32

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @21 “Dr. Rove”? Bwaaahaaahaahaha … you mean the honorary “doctorate” bestowed on him by Jerry Falwell’s Liberty University? In real life, outside the wingnut bubble, Rove is a dropout who never got a degree in anything.

    Hey Me, if you keel over from a heart attack and someone yells, “Is there a doctor in the house?”, I’ll send “Doctor” Rove.

    HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR

  26. 33

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @31 “Funny how bold you lefty’s get after winning one election in a row, isn’t it?”

    Stick around for the next one. The show isn’t over yet.

  27. 34

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Let’s not forget that, locally, GOP legislative candidate Mark Griswold also favors killing Americans in terrorist attacks as a campaign tactic:

    “Congratulations Speaker Pelosi, now let the bombs fall where they may. My prediction: terror attack on domestic soil passenger aircraft within the next six months. Casualties in the 2-300 range. And, unfortunately, maybe that’s just what we need. It’s obvious people don’t remember what happened 5 years ago. Posted by FullContactPolitics at November 8, 2006 10:52 AM”

    http://blog.usefulwork.com/cgi.....ry_id=7430

    (Note: “FullContactPolitics” was identified as Griswold by HA Ace Detective Richard Pope.)

  28. 35

    spews:

    The article about Rove in the Atlantic is pretty good.

    A lot of the Republicans in the Congress hated the guy. Rove even pulled dirty tricks on Tom DeLay in an old campaign.

    Rove sank Bush’s presidency trying to destroy Social Security just as Iraq was turning sour.

    Rove’s name is shit in DC. He’s running from the place with his tail between his legs. He was good at winning elections using dirty tricks and brutal tactics. He was crap at everything else.

    His dream of architecting a lasting Publican realignment has gone down the toilet. He failed miserably.

  29. 36

    PuffyButtPretendingToBeBlackSays spews:

    21/31 sounds like two of the Puffybutt alias names – and of course the Publican mind immediately goes to thinking about Karl’s “potency.” What is it about Publicans and their perversions? All they think about is sex. I guess it must be because they just can’t get any action.

  30. 37

    PuffyButtPretendingToBeBlackSays spews:

    Yeah I think Rove’s fate was sealed when he told the Publicans that 06 was no problem and that they’d hold the Congress – NOT! We went in there and bitch slapped the cunts like red-headed stepchildren. And the Publicans never forgave him for that. They thought his brand of politics – you know, to lie, cheat, defame, steal, etc., would work forever. Fortunately, Americans are only HALF stupid and figured it out. Now the punk is going back to TEXAS. That’s almost punishment in and of itself!

  31. 38

    klake spews:

    Seattle Jew, Dick and John Barelli new reading material from South West Asia enjoy and expand your horizon.
    Greetings,

    Currently am in Indonesia preparing to return to Iraq.

    A new dispatch awaits: http://michaelyon-online.com/w.....orizon.htm

    V/r,

    Michael Yon

    Somewhere, Indonesia

    Almost everyone (by now) must have heard about the “lazy” Iraqi parliament members who, like so many Neros fiddling while Rome burns around them, are taking a month off. Yet comparatively few Americans will ever hear or read about IA Scorpion Company Commander Captain Baker; or Iraqi entrepreneur and community catalyst, “Tonto”; or the Mayor of Baqubah, who summoned the courage to step out of the shadow of al Qaeda and fight to get his constituents a warehouse-sized stockpile of food.

  32. 40

    Libertarian spews:

    Rove probably resigned so he can work on keeping Hillary, the presumed 2008 Democratic nominee, out of the White House. All you guys may hate Rove, but he is effective at being a hatchet man for the Republicans. You have to admit that at least. Turning him lose on defeating Hillary in ’08 is a logical thing for the Republicans to do.

  33. 42

    spews:

    keeping Hillary, the presumed 2008 Democratic nominee, out of the White House.

    Rove will use an old reliable – start a whisper campaign about Hillary being gay.

    Yeah, like people haven’t seen that one before.

  34. 44

    spews:

    #31, Me. Angry Liberals? You ain’t seen nothing yet. The Republicons have hurt America far more than any terrorist could dream of. Regananomics has been a total disaster. Helping the super rich get even richer, and make the middle class, and poor pay more for government while borrowing trillions upon trillions from the Chinese, Saudis, and Social Security.

    I just can’t wait till you cons break a back, get parkinsons or diabetes, and watch a retard in the white house veto embrionic stem cell research while your body rots away.

    Anyone that still thinks Republicons are good for America’s future belongs in a nuthouse.

    Tell you what me. I know of a rusty old bridge you can drive your pickup load of manure over. Pack an oxygen tank.

  35. 46

    Libertarian spews:

    “Anyone that still thinks Republicons are good for America’s future belongs in a nuthouse.”
    ===

    There are a lot of us who don’t think the Democrats are particularly good for our future either.

  36. 47

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    Living on the public dime his whole life taught him a valuable lesson-
       
    “I’m an adult, but I don’t want to move out. I don’t want to start paying rent…”
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.....age_limits
      
    Any doubt this adult that doesn’t want to pay his own way in life will vote democrat.

  37. 48

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    “Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton cites her experience as a compelling reason voters should make her president, but nearly 2 million pages of documents covering her White House years are locked up in a building here, obscuring a large swath of her record as first lady.”
     
    http://www.latimes.com/news/po.....ome-center
      
    Nothing to fear but the truth. Maybe the lawyer roger rabbit can explain why she doesn’t want this information exposed.

  38. 49

    Daddy Love spews:

    8 Dick

    Yes, that IS my real name.

    Jesus, how dense ARE these people? I have only said this like ten times.

    For the record: IT’S MY FUCKING NAME.

  39. 52

    spews:

    Any doubt this adult that doesn’t want to pay his own way in life will vote democrat.

    Lie. Distortion. Straw man. She never said didn’t want to pay her own way. She said she couldn’t afford rent. How much are you paying in rent Stamn? Could an 18 year old afford that?

    Of course an 18 year old will vote Democrat-IC. Young people are getting the shaft in the social darwinist economy people like you, Stamn, have supported.

    Stamn, once again you’ve shown yourself as yet another lying Republican shill.

    Why don’t you play us that “Mars Warming” tape again. We can ‘t get enough laughs around here.

  40. 54

    Daddy Love spews:

    47 MS

    In my experience, people who don’t want to pay their own way in life turn Republican and go on wingnut welfare.

  41. 55

    spews:

    Nothing to fear but the truth.

    Here’s the truth Stamn from the same article:

    In 2002, the agency employed 334 archivists. This year, the number is down to 301. That 10% drop came during a period when the National Archives assumed jurisdiction over two more presidential libraries: those of Clinton and Richard Nixon.

    The workload is up and the budget is cut to the bone except for military hardware, ag subsidies and bridges to nowhere. That’s wingnut governance Stamn.

    The kind you love.

  42. 56

    spews:

    @50
    From that article:

    It hasn’t always been that way. In the 1990s, total money from university personnel hovered around $7 million per election cycle, ranking 34th among industries in 1996, but in 2000 the field’s contributions jumped to $17 million. In 2004, education’s giving spiked astronomically, to $38 million.

    I’m much more comfortable with people who are motivated by intellectual curiosity being a special interest group. This is a VERY good thing for the country.

  43. 57

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    #54 Daddy Love says:

    47 MS In my experience, people who don’t want to pay their own way in life turn Republican and go on wingnut welfare.

      
    Brilliant logic. Support the party that believes in personal responsibility and wants to reduce the ranks of people living off government dollar.
      
    If you weren’t so “intellectually dishonesty” you would admit the democrats live on the votes of people receiving checks from the government.

  44. 58

    spews:

    go on wingnut welfare.

    Yep, that’s what Stamn’s on.

    I posted a picture of a “blog warriors” outfit. Must be nice to be paid to troll all day.

  45. 59

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    #48

    “Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton cites her experience as a compelling reason voters should make her president, but nearly 2 million pages of documents covering her White House years are locked up in a building here, obscuring a large swath of her record as first lady.”

    
  
http://www.latimes.com/news/po litics/la-na-clintondocs14aug1 4,0,1390329.story?coll=la-home -center
  
     
    “..who do not expect them to be released until after the 2008 presidential election.”
     
    At least after the election she will make the info public (same link)
      
    How convenient to release them after the election, even an idiot know she’s hiding stuff. She’s not even the democrat nomination yet and already the cover-up has started. Kudos to the democrats for changing the culture of corruption, NOT!

  46. 60

    spews:

    even an idiot know she’s hiding stuff.

    An idiot like you can’t read. There’s not enough federal archivists to do the job. She has no control over that.

    The budget has been cut by Bush to pay for his failure of a war.

    It must be nice to be paid to be stupid.

  47. 61

    Daddy Love spews:

    57 MS

    You mean the compassionate conservatives who tell the poor “sink or swim” and “Sorry about your kid dying. Not.”

    Oh, I think I know what party I prefer, and magiclly without being “intellectally dishonesty,” whatever that means.

  48. 62

    RightEqualsStupid spews:

    I think Senator Clinton should release her documents when George Bush releases his. He still hasn’t made public all the documents he said he would when he was running for President. By that standard, Senator Clinton is ahead of the game. Also worth noting, the Publicans are asking for Senator Clinton to be open saying she should have nothing to fear from the truth – that’s funny – they don’t seem concerned about Monkey Face asserting executive privilege every time he and Karl Rove take a shit together.

  49. 63

    RightEqualsStupid spews:

    Come to think of it, what is the Publican party trying to hide by asserting EP and why aren’t so called conservatives more interested in freedom right here at home as opposed to in Iraq?

  50. 64

    RightEqualsStupid spews:

    Wasn’t it Publican Tricky Dickie Nixon who started the practice of trying hide things from Americans? Oh, and look how well that worked out! HE HE!

  51. 65

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    #62 RightEqualsStupid says:

    I think Senator Clinton should release her documents when George Bush releases his. He still hasn’t made public all the documents he said he would when he was running for President. By that standard, Senator Clinton is ahead of the game. Also worth noting, the Publicans are asking for Senator Clinton to be open saying she should have nothing to fear from the truth – that’s funny – they don’t seem concerned about Monkey Face asserting executive privilege every time he and Karl Rove take a shit together.

      
    If the best you can come up with is “bush did it” you my friend have lost this argument. Thanks for playing along.

  52. 66

    RightEqualsStupid spews:

    Just parroting you Marv – just parroting you.

    And nice deflection – care to comment on the openess you seek from Dems not being required of your Publican pals, i.e., EP claims by the White House? Of course you don’t – you’re a typical talking points Publican hypocrite. NEXT!

  53. 67

    Another TJ spews:

    If the best you can come up with is “bush did it” you my friend have lost this argument. Thanks for playing along.

    He’s not saying “Bush did it.” He’s saying you’re a hypocrite. Try to keep up.

  54. 68

    Daddy Love spews:

    It’s not “Bush did it” to demand that the fucking Bush administration COMPLY WITH CONGRESSIONAL SUBPOENAS.

    No one has any legal action pending to access the Clinton library, after all. It’s a mere observation that the documents are not yet public.

  55. 70

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    #66 RightEqualsStupid says:

    Just parroting you Marv – just parroting you.
    And nice deflection – care to comment on the openess you seek from Dems not being required of your Publican pals, i.e., EP claims by the White House? Of course you don’t – you’re a typical talking points Publican hypocrite. NEXT!

      
    Of course bush should. Any one living off of my tax dollars should open their books/records. Remember it’s only cause I’m trolling a left-wing blog that you assume I’m a publican. You can’t find a post of mine supporting bush, only poking fun at your democrats.

  56. 72

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    #71 chadt says:

    Marvin is as useful and welcome as foot odor.

      
    Great job, your posts are so well thought out and insightful. You sure have a way with insults I haven’t seen since elementary school.

  57. 73

    RightEqualsStupid spews:

    Marv – the worst Democrat is better for America than the best Publican. And you finally said something I believe – you’re a troll.

  58. 74

    spews:

    @72
    Considering what you wrote in comment 70, I actually think that comment was very apropos. We’re living in an extraordinary time in American history where a Republican President is trying to re-define much of what this country has stood for since its very inception. The fact that you find it somehow valuable, noble, or something else to spend your time trolling a left-leaning comment thread as your way of dealing with this actually does make you about as welcome and important as foot odor. But then again, you’ve pretty much proven yourself to be dumb as a post, so I can’t really say I’m all that surprised.

  59. 75

    Another TJ spews:

    Lee,

    Now that you’ve got the keys to the kingdom, can’t you do something about the trolls? I don’t mean banning or anything like that. I just mean… well… I want a better class of trolls. The ones we’ve got now aren’t very good at this. I almost feel bad for them. Almost.

  60. 76

    spews:

    @75
    I’ve been trying my best to help Marvin. It’s no fun when the trolls are as stupid as him. I like the ones who are smart enough to start to get a sense of how dumb they are. I’m not sure Marvin’s even that smart. He may be a lost cause.

  61. 78

    OneMan spews:

    @38:
    Klake, I read your post with some interest since I hadn’t seen your work before. Unfortunately, the point of your post was lost on me. You start out apparently intending to discuss the political state of affairs in Iraq but then devolve into a paean to the American foot soldier.

    What am I supposed to take away from that? Are there brave soldiers in both the American and Iraqi forces? Sure, never disputed that. Is that going to fix the political problems in Iraq? You sure haven’t made any kind of persuasive argument that it will.

    Muddy prose leaves me cold.

    -OneMan’s opinion.

  62. 80

    spews:

    Sorry, my ‘ha’ was for #77… :)

    As for comment @78, I agree. There are brave Iraqis, brave American soldiers, and a lot of people who really, really, want Iraq to work out. But all of that doesn’t mean anything when you have to deal with the seriousness of the political problems…

  63. 81

    klake spews:

    OneMan says:

    @38:
    Klake, I read your post with some interest since I hadn’t seen your work before. Unfortunately, the point of your post was lost on me. You start out apparently intending to discuss the political state of affairs in Iraq but then devolve into a paean to the American foot soldier.

    What am I supposed to take away from that? Are there brave soldiers in both the American and Iraqi forces? Sure, never disputed that. Is that going to fix the political problems in Iraq? You sure haven’t made any kind of persuasive argument that it will.

    Muddy prose leaves me cold.

    -OneMan’s opinion.

    08/14/2007 at 2:42 pm
    OneMan, great observation you can win military but you can’t politically no matter what goverment is running the show. This Nation is the best example of that problem. Define Win and stablize the country(Iraq) and let them run it anyway they want. But don’t expect them to adope the Democrat Party to run their country.

  64. 82

    OneMan spews:

    @81:

    wth?

    I don’t imagine they “adopt”ed the Republican party to run their country either. As I recall, they didn’t have much say in who was going to (mis-)run their country.

    you can win military but you can’t politically no matter what goverment is running the show.

    Um, I believe that’s the problem in a nutshell. Too bad the Neocons didn’t think of that before going in with no plan for the aftermath.

    And what in anything you’ve said (either here or in your blog entry) gives you any basis for your presumed optimism? Once again, you throw a lot of words around but don’t make many points. Spell it out for a dumb ol’ liberal: what are you trying to say?

    I don’t get it.

    Oh: need I point out the irony of you bringing up Mosul as a bright spot in your blog in light of today’s news? Not that I take any particular glee in scoring political points on the backs of so many dead and wounded.

    -OneMan

  65. 83

    spews:

    @83
    klake,
    I want to second OneMan’s sentiments. Your comments make less sense than some of the spam comments we filter out.