Yet another indication of the declining fortunes of our city’s two daily newspapers:
Rented furnishings and hidden cameras were among the props Seattle police vice detectives used to arrest nearly 100 men who showed up at a ritzy downtown condo in the past two weeks expecting to pay for sex.
Nearly three-fourths of the men who were arrested on suspicion of patronizing a prostitute responded to postings in the “erotic services” category on craigslist, the free online community where people can search for apartments, jobs, used cars, friends and dates. The rest answered escort ads found in the back pages of The Stranger and Seattle Weekly.
It wasn’t so long ago when the first place Seattle’s horny Johns might have looked for a fair view of a fanny was the pages of Fairview Fannie herself, but her classified ads — once the cash cow of dailies everywhere — are now little more than an afterthought. Nowadays, no self-respecting hooker would advertise her wares in the Times classifieds — it just doesn’t make business sense.
(Of course, I think the fact that this trivial prostitution story is currently the featured headline on its website — the preferred medium of readers in this tech-savvy region — also says something the Times‘ gradual decline.
OT crosspost…
From the “Ooohhh! That’s gotta hurt…” files…
AP: House Democrats Name Hoyer to No. 2 Post
If Nancy Pelosi had a “pair,” it’d be like watching her get kicked.
Go Blue Dogs!
Also, a decade or two ago the dailies expunged questionable escort/massage ads from their classifieds. Leave it to the Web. Although it still won’t clear up Aurora Ave.
I don’t care who the leaders are in the next Congress as long as they’re Dems. Now THAT”s gotta hurt, if you’re a winger that is.
In the mean time, the rethugs appoint a known racist (LOTT) to be their second in command. Proves you can take the GOP out of the Klan but you can’t take the Klan out of the GOP!
WHY THE GOP LOST
“Marketers Hope Smells Make You Pay Through the Nose
“By BARBARA PINTO, ABCNews.com
“(Nov. 16) – If your mailbox smells faintly of cheesecake or Jell-O, don’t be surprised. It’s just part of an increased strategy by marketers ….
“The smells are released when readers scratch the photographs printed with scented ink. ‘We took great care in choosing scents that were pleasing,’ (a spokesman) said.”
http://tinyurl.com/ynyd4u
Roger Rabbit Commentary: The GOP tried this too, but their scratch-and-sniff ads smelled like dog turds.
Stock market’s up AGAIN today! Wall Street likes Congress’s new management. Hey wingnuts — as Donald Trump would say, “You’re fired!”
Prostitution should be legal.
Goldy — on-line newspapers do have limitations … you can’t wrap fish guts in them.
So … whenever I need to dispose of fish guts (which isn’t very often as I’m a vegan) I buy a copy of Little Nickel.
Stupid @ 3 “I don’t care who the leaders are in the next Congress as long as they’re Dems.”
EXACTLY why people like you don’t deserve the vote… and why the Dems will forever take their constituents for granted (and pander just enough when there are problems).
Personally, I’d rather see good quality people — Dem or GOP — running things.
Go Blue Dogs!
I AGREE WITH LIBERTARIAN. IF A FELLA NEEDS SEX HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET IT IN THE FREE MARKET. IT’S ONLY HUMAN. IT’S PRETTY SAD STATE OF AFFAIRS WHEN FOLKS IN SEATTLE ARE ARGUIN’ OVER A DECENT COUCH DANCE.
A YOUNG LADY CAN CALL THE SHOTS. ANYONE EVER SEE “UNFORGIVEN”? DAMN GOOD MOVIE.
Is it really news that newspapers are being marginalized more every day? Will the Times report on it’s own demise or will it just fade away without a whimper?
Goldy, I’m curious though, why does the P-I escape scrutiny? They have classified ads too.
ANOTHER KCRE SCANDAL!
The fish wrapper reports this morning:
“Another glitch reported in handling absentee ballots in King County
“By Sharon Pian Chan
“Seattle Times staff reporter
“King County election workers discovered at least 485 absentee ballots that were improperly stored in supply bags on election night, officials reported at a canvassing board meeting Wednesday.
“At the end of Election Day, poll workers are supposed to place into blue bags all the absentee ballots that voters drop off. The blue bags are then locked with numbered security seals to ensure that ballots cannot be added after 8 p.m.
“Because more voters dropped off ballots than the office had expected, all the ballots could not fit inside the bags. Earlier this week, officials said 116 of about 550 blue bags were not properly sealed, affecting about 13,400 ballots.
“On Wednesday, election officials said an additional 485 absentee ballots had been improperly returned in black supply bags, which … are not locked with security seals. …
“The black bags were turned in to the department on election night after the polls closed and employees discovered the ballots the day after, when they opened the supply bags. The King County Canvassing Board, which certifies the election, voted to process the ballots. … The elections department will verify signatures on the envelopes before the ballots are counted.”
Quoted under Fair Use; for entire story and/or copyright info see http://tinyurl.com/y5793f
Roger Rabbit Commentary: It’s becoming increasingly clear that the corrupt elections department stole the election for Reichert! Why aren’t you blogging about this, Goldy? If roles were reversed — if Burner had won — Steffy would. What’s good for the goose, is good for the gander.
EXACTLY why people like you don’t deserve the vote
OL’ MARK MISSES THE POINT AGAIN (REPUBLICANS SCREWED IT TOTALLY UP) AND NOW HE’S CHEERING FOR VOTE SUPPRESSION. APPARENTLY THE SOLUTION TO ALL THINGS IS TO VOTE REPUBLICAN NO MATTER WHO’S RUNNING THINGS.
THE DUDE’S UNHINGED. SORRY YOU LOST. GET OVER IT.
WINGNUTS ENDORSE VICE!
To wit:
6 Libertarian says: Prostitution should be legal. 11/16/2006 at 9:39 am
Roger Rabbit Commentary: Sort of understandable, inasmuch as they can’t get laid any other way.
Let’s hit ’em harder. Let’s eliminate the state sales tax for newspapers.
ROGER YOU GOT A POINT THERE. RON SIMS APPOINTED REICHERT. GOT HIM STARTED. OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE AN UNDERSTANDIN. I SCRATCH YOUR BACK, YADDA YADDA.
THERE’S YOUR CONSPIRACY THEORY WINGNUTS. RON SIMS IS THE KINGMAKER FOR SHERIFF HAIRSPRAY. RUN WITH IT.
Reply to 13: Newt Gingrich told the holy warriors of the Crazy Right that politics is “war,” which means anything goes! It never occurs to this self-anointed “Born Agains” that what they’re doing is evil, ungodly, and illegal — and they’re nothing but criminals. Pink jumpsuits for all of ’em!
I should have said, “Let’s eliminate the state sales tax exemption for newspapers.”
The new format is harder to read, and the page margins spill off the sides of my screen, but I’m glad to be rid of the spam.
I’m a Libertarian, Roger.
YOS @ 13
I guess one shouldn’t expect much from someone who doesn’t know how to find his/her CAPSLOCK key…
Actually READ what I said. I said “deserve.” That means to be worthy of the right & privilege. Perhaps some of you Lefties should spend some time getting to know people from other parts of the world where they don’t take the right to vote for granted, like you do.
As for your “apparently” comment, you should re-read my post @ 9. I said “Dem or GOP.”
Seems to me that you’re the one ranting, BTW.
You seem to know quite a bit about where skanky whores are to be found Clownstein. You must be a client.
What is all this criticism of librarians? I don’t approve. Not at all.
Checking today’s Letters to the Editor columns, I see that distraught wingnuts are still convulsing from their collective nervous breakdown. Should be a busy holiday season in psychiatrists’ offices all over the state.
Hey wingnuts, are you feeling BLUE? Call Dr. McDermott to schedule an appointment TODAY!
HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR
Today’s champion letter writer is Carolyn Walden of Seattle:
“Regarding ‘Rumsfeld’s resignation: long time coming’ [editorial, Nov. 9]: Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld’s distinction between ‘known knowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns’ omitted a very important fourth factor: unknown knowns. These are the things everyone else knows but he and the rest of the Bush administration hadn’t figured out yet, at least not until Nov. 7.”
Hey wingnuts — it sucks to be you.
20 Libertarian says: I’m a Libertarian, Roger. 11/16/2006 at 10:19 am
OK, have it your way … you’re a wingnutty libertarian.
Libertarians are anarchists who try to make their philosophy look respectable by grudgingly agreeing to a LITTLE government … as long as someone else pays for it.
HI MARK
SO YOU WANT TO TALK “BLUE DOG”?
THEY’RE FOR FISCAL DISCIPLINE. DUBYA’S EXCELLENT ADVENTURE IN IRAQ HAS BEEN AN INEFFECTIVE FISCAL NIGHTMARE FOR YOU, ME AND ESPECIALLY OUR KIDS. CONGRESS RUBBERSTAMPED IT. PEOPLE GOT SICK OF IT. SO IF THE BLUE DOGS WANT TO CHANGE THAT, I’M FOR IT.
JON TESTER, A CREW CUT “BLUE DOG” SAID HE DIDN’T WANT TO CHANGE THE PATRIOT ACT – HE WANTED TO ELIMINATE IT.
SO IF YOU THINK THESE “BLUE DOGS” ARE JUST GOING TO RUBBERSTAMP MORE OF DUBYA’S ROTTEN AGENDA, YOU GOT ANOTHER THING COMIN’.
NOW I KNOW YOU’RE ALL ABOUT THOSE MOVEON.ORG AND GEORGE SOROS FANTASIES (AS IF THE R’S DIDN’T HAVE THEIR GAGGLE OF MILLIONAIRE AND BILLIONAIRE SUGAR DADDIES). SO HOW ABOUT “SAN FRANCISCO VALUES”? BRING IT ON MARKY. NANCY PELOSI’S NOT FROM THE CASTRO DISTRICT. SHE’S FROM MARYLAND. DID ANOTHER 1000 COMMENTS ABOUT ANOTHER WINGNUT DELUSION JUST VAPORIZE?
Think what you like, Roger. You have no other purpose in life other than pontificating on Goldy’s blog.
So in the election for House Majority Leader, the Congressional Democrats passed over a conservative, anti-choice, pro-gun, questionable-on-ethics reform Democrat who opposes our continued presence in Iraq in favor of a pro-choice, pro-ethics-reform, mainstream Democrat who opposes our continued presence in Iraq, and the conservatives are happy. Go figure.
So George Soros must be a wingnut, since he endorses vice (legalization of drugs) and his Open Society Institute has sued the US government over a requirement that receipents of federal AIDS grants pledge to oppose prostitution.
Hey Marky you don’t deserve to exist in a free country. You righties want the old Taliban theocracy. You’re all traitors in my book and if you ever grow a set of stones, bring your cum-drunk ass to Seattle and just TRY to stop me from voting. Now go bend over for the Mark Foleys of the world and take it like the bitch you are.
CF,
WHAT DO WE SPEND ON THE WAR ON DRUGS? REMEMBER THAT WAR? 80/90 BILLION A YEAR? WHAT GOOD HAS IT DONE? ALL THE INCARCERATION? IF THAT’S CONSERVATIVE THEN CONSERVATIVE MUST MEAN DUMB.
JUST LIKE IRAQ ANOTHER SINKHOLE FOR MONEY. AMERICAN PEOPLE JUST KEEPS BUYING ANOTHER BILL OF GOODS.
AND YOU’RE JUST SPOUTING THE WINGNUT LINE ON SOROS WITHOUT SHOWING ANY INTEREST IN WHERE THE MAN’S COMING FROM. OPPOSE THE WORLD’S OLD PROFESSION? GIVE ME A BREAK!
http://laceylibertarian.us/
HEY WINGNUTS IF WANT YOU END SOMETHING LIKE DRUGS OR PROSTITUTION JUST LEGALIZE IT AND GIVE IT TO THE CORPORATIONS TO RUN. THEY SCREW EVERYTHING UP. ANYONE BEEN TO VEGAS LATELY? THEY NICKEL AND DIME YOU FOR EVERYTHING JUST LIKE A MARINERS GAME. AT LEAST YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET 5 PERCENT TAXES ON IT. IT MIGHT JUST BALANCE THE BUDGET.
DUBYA GAVE IRAQ TO HALLIBURTON AND FRIENDS AND THEY TOTALLY SCREWED THE POOCH. OBVIOUSLY HE WANTED TO END THE WAR ON TERRA.
New SEC rules require companies to identify their paid “professional compensation consultants”. You know, the guys who are hired to say how much the CEO should be paid.
But these same guys are trying to get the lame-duck Republican congress to give them immunity from any shareholder lawsuits.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....ion16.html
Which makes me wonder – what, exactly, are they worried about? The article points out that no executive pay consultants have been sued to date that anyone is aware of. Perhaps they are concerned that the linkage between these firms and inter-locking Boards of Directors and CEOs will, when revealed in SEC statements, show an inherent conflict of interest?
This is my understanding of how it works. The entire Board of Directors appoints a smaller “Compensation Committee” to decide how much the executives and directors of the company are paid. The “Compensation committee” hires the “independent compensation consultants” to advise them. usually, one of the members of the compensation committee is the contact point with the consultants. By hiring the “independent consultants”, they insulate themselves from shareholder lawsuits, by pointing out that they performed with due dilligence by seeking an independent opinion, and their ultimate decision was consistent with its report.
So the compensation consultants issue a report which usually says” “(a) gee, executive pay is so high, your executives need a raise or they will be lured elswhere, and (b) while you are at it, your board members need a raise also!”
So, the compensation committee reports to the whole board that all their executive officers need big raises and more perks in order to stay “competative”.
The next step is that many members of the compensation committee all happen to be CEOs of their own companies, also. They complain to the board that they have knowledge that other companies are paying their executives more than they are being paid, and it is time for a review of their executive pay and benefits package. The CEO of the first company happens to be on the Board of Directors of the second company, and also on the Compensation Committee. He hires the same “independent compensation consultant”, who issues the same report, except it revises its figures upward to account for the raises approved by the first company.
The process reproduces itself infinatum, with wages, benefits, and perks spiralling ever-upward.
Now what would happen if the “independent compensation consultants” ever reported that the company executives were already overpaid, and their executive pay and benefit packages should be reduced? The “independent consultants” would probably find that is the last report they were ever hired to issue.
I also think its funny how the word “competative” has an entirely opposite meaning in when used in the executive compensation setting, than it is used when evaluating every other worker’s pay. In the former context, the pay keeps “increasing” to be competative. But in the latter context, workers are told that they must accept lower wages and reduced benefits to remain “competative”.
Reprinted with author’s permission from: http://www.storesonline.com/si.....age/886073
From Reuters:
Glad to see these idiots out of power.
33 ConservativeFirst
Faulty logic. You propose that
A) Wingnuts endorse vice
and
B) George Soros endorses vice
implies
C) George Soros is a wingnut.
Nope.
YOS @ 30
Try again… and again. You can’t seem to get it out of your head that not every one is a talking-point-spouting, party-line-voting lemming like you and your ilk.
I DON’T expect the Blue Dogs to rubberstamp GWB. I DO expect fiscal restraint from my government (note here that, unlike your kind, I still accept it as “my” government even if I didn’t get all of the representatives that I wanted).
MorOn.org & George Soros are as bad as the Hyper-Christian Right & Abramoff. The only difference between Soros & Abramoff is the mechanism by which they “buy” their influence. And the two aforementioned groups are equally intolerant of any dissent — just at opposite sides of the political spectrum.
I made no mention of Nancy Pelosi other than to say that it is quite a kick to the groin to lose like that (Hoyer/Murtha) right out of the gate.
Stupid @ 34
Was there supposed to be a point to your homophobic rant? Quite the vivid obsession you have there. Do your Fearless Leaders know you talk that way? More importantly, I thought your mom had installed profanity filters on your PC…
Now Roger, before you suggest we are feeling blue….maybe you should check on your good buddy Michael Moore, who has been in bed, feeling quite blue for over two years now.
Is there security at Drinking Liberally?
Libertarians are anarchists who want the police to punish their enemies.
RM,
First, it’s nice you see you clear up the Blue Dogs equivocation that’s been going around amongst most wingnuts, as if fiscal conservatism translates into “conservative” on just about every other issue. Or, are you endorsing that equivocation as well?
Second, yes, the only difference between Soros and Abramoff is the mechanism by which they “buy” their influence. Soros’ mechanism happens to be legal. The Abramoff mechanism tends to land people in jail. Other than that, hell, they’re just the same.
I never said I oppose or support prostitution. Or the war on drugs. I was merely being absurd to make a point. Clearly Soros isn’t a wingnut. But even as an extreme leftist he supports the same ideas that Roger is criticizing “wingnuts” for because they can’t get laid or some other silliness.
See above.
You can’t seem to get it out of your head that not every one is a talking-point-spouting, party-line-voting lemming like you and your ilk.
OH AND YOU CAN? YOU’RE PROJECTING AND THAT’S WHY YOU’RE SO OFFENSIVE. I JUST SAID I WAS FOR FISCAL DISCIPLINE. IS THAT THE “PARTY LINE” ACCORDING TO YOU?
IF PEOPLE DON’T AGREE WITH MOVEON.ORG OR SOROS THEY DON’T HAVE TO GIVE OR TAKE THEIR MONEY. I DON’T. NEVER HAVE ALTHOUGH I’M AT LEAST PARTLY IN AGREEMENT WITH THEM.
MOVEON.ORG HELPED ORGANIZE 7 MILLION PHONE CALLS FOR GOTV FOR THE SAME “BLUE DOGS” YOU JUST CHEERED FOR? MAKES SENSE TO ME.
WHO CAN BE AGAINST AN OPEN SOCIETY? THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN IT’S CURRENT FORM OF COURSE.
KEEP ON TARRING EVERYONE HERE WITH THE SAME BRUSH MARK. LOOK WHERE’S ITS GOTTEN YOU. HIGH FIVE YOUR PALS OVER PELOSI’S “KICK TO THE GROIN”.
40 Mark
I don’t think so.
“MoveOn.org & George Soros are as bad as the Hyper-Christian Right & Abramoff. The only difference between Soros & Abramoff is the mechanism by which they “buy” their influence.
Goerge Soros is a self-made billionaire who funds the causes he wants to fund. His money is all his alone, to do with as he pleases as long as he’s not breaking any laws. You may not agree with his views, but that’s a privilege you each possess.
Jack Abramoff is a convicted felon (Conspiracy to Defraud the United States and Wire Fraud in re defrauding investors in his cruise business, and Conspiracy to Defraud the United States, Mail Fraud, and Tax Evasion regarding bribing public officials and defrauding his Indian clients).
He has repeatedly taken money under false pretenses, funneled money through fake fronts to Republican candidates to either evade campaign finnace plaws of bamboozle voters (laundering casino money flowing to Ralph Reed comes to mind), and used his restaurant and skyboxes as political leverage to basically bribe legislators.
Other than that, they’re exactly the same.
Damn you, Don Joe.
45 CF
huh?
DL,
First, sorry for stepping on your toes. Second, you’re expecting ConservativeFirst to grok the whole syllogism thing. Were he to grok the concept of syllogism, he wouldn’t be ConservativeFirst.
40 Real Mark
“I made no mention of Nancy Pelosi other than to say that it is quite a kick to the groin to lose like that (Hoyer/Murtha) right out of the gate. ”
I think it was a real miscalculation on her part. I really think that she didn’t suspect that this would blow up the way it did. I imagine she will be more attuned to the media impact of her actions in the future. She’s spent her entire ledership career thus far in an ignored minority. I think she’ll be an effective Speaker legislatively, but she needs to be a more effective figurehead for the party, and soon.
50 Don Joe
I was reacting in 48 to both of us writing an “Otherwise, they’re exactly the same” post about Soros and Abramoff. You got in first again.
But even as an extreme leftist
CF WHAT PLANET ARE YOU ON? WHAT’S AN EXTREME LEFTIST TO YOU? A MARXIST? SOROS GOT RICH OFF THE FREE MARKET!
ANOTHER DEMOCRATIC PARTY SUGAR DADDY IS THAT FOUNDER OF PROGRESSIVE INSURANCE. YOU GUYS NEVER TALK ABOUT HIM. IS HE A COMMIE?
EVER READ KARL POPPER, THE “OPEN SOCIETY” GUY? WAS HE A COMMIE?
AS FOR PROSTITUTION YOU IMPLIED YOU AGREED WITH THE BUSH POLICY AND SOROS, A U.S. CITIZEN, WAS “EXTREME LEFTIST” TO OPPOSE IT. SOUNDS LIKE JUST ANOTHER RUBBERSTAMP TO ME.
Regardless of how the whole Murther/Hoyer thing reflects on Pelosi’s leadership, I find it rather refreshing to see a House majority that doesn’t all march in lock-step with the leadership. See what happens when people think for themselves?
I like the shading on the comments. Now if we could just mark wingnut comments somehow so we can tell they aren’t worth reading.
Oh wait — I see, you’ve already done it. Those comments are marked with tags like “Mark the Redneck” and “ConservativeFirst.”
Don @ 54
So far, so good… But if they revert to the lemming ways of GOP & Dems of Old, The American public will be the ones going over the cliff.
Getting rich via free markets and form them are not necessary the same thing. It’s called gaming the system. Based upon his support of moveon.org, and OSI, and their positions, I’d call Soros an extreme leftist. What do you think his politics are, moderately conservative?
Again, I didn’t imply support of the policy the OSI sued the government over. Stop reading what I didn’t write.
Peter Lewis and Karl Popper have nothing to do with this discussion.
I don’t know why you are including me in with Mark the Redneck. If I lose a bet, I pay up.
It’s called gaming the system.
OH YEAH AND WEALTHY SUPPORTERS OF DUBYA AND THE R’S HAVE NEVER GOTTEN RICH THAT WAY.
KARL POPPER? COME ON! SOROS WORSHIPS THE GUY. OSI IS NAMED AFTER HIS IDEAS.
I’VE NEVER GIVEN MOVEON.ORG MONEY OR MUCH ATTENTION. LEMME LOOK AT THEIR “SUCCESS PAGE”.
VOTING MACHINES, PAPER RECORDS
DARFUR. END THE GENOCIDE.
MORE CLEAN ELECTIONS.
THEY’RE AGAINST TORTURE
THEY SUPPORT SOLAR POWER.
DON’T LIKE WAL-MART.
DON’T LIKE SHUB’S IRAQ POLICY.
DON’T LIKE PATRIOT ACT. (NEITHER DID RUSS FEINGOLD)
DON’T LIKE GIVEAWAYS TO BIG OIL.
THEY LIKE CINDY SHEEHAN. WHOOPS TRAITOR TIME TO WINGNUTS.
THEY LIKE PUBLIC TV.
SUPPORT ETHICS IN CONGRESS.
WOW HOW EXTREME IS THAT! ESPECIALLY NOT LIKING WAL-MART! COMMIE CITY!
31
Libertarian says: Think what you like, Roger. You have no other purpose in life other than pontificating on Goldy’s blog. — 11/16/2006 at 10:44 am
And making MORE BUNNIES!!!! :D :D :D
(How could you overlook THAT?!)
My comment was absurd, to demonstrate the absurdity of Roger’s comment. Did you really believe I was serious in saying Soros is a wingnut?
So if I grokked the whole grokking thing what wouldn’t I be? (My guess is a science fiction writer). Are you saying that conservative thought and deductive reasoning are mutually exclusive?
42
Rodger Rabbid says: Is there security at Drinking Liberally? 11/16/2006 at 12:22 pm
Yeah, if I’m there, security is provided by my powerful hind feet equipped with razor sharp claws. Kinda like hiring Hells Angels as security guards, know what I mean?
Here’s one for the it’s gotta hurt file:
George W. Bush and the rest of the GOP have been throughly Pelosi Whipped!
Get used to it boys, it’s gonna happen three different ways: frequently, often, and repeatedly.
45
ConservativeFirst says: I was merely being absurd to make a point.
Roger Rabbit Reply: Most of the time you dispense with the point and are merely absurd. Why the extra effort this time?
55
Yer Killin Me says: I like the shading on the comments. Now if we could just mark wingnut comments somehow so we can tell they aren’t worth reading. 11/16/2006 at 12:56 pm
Ask Goldy if he can do bright yellow.
56
The Real Mark says: … if they revert to the lemming ways of GOP & Dems of Old, The American public will be the ones going over the cliff. 11/16/2006 at 12:58 pm
Roger Rabbit Replies: America is already over the cliff thanks to 5 1/2 years of wingnut rule.
Roger Rabbit:
You should do a Roger Rabbit poll on what/who will be investigated first by Speaker Pelosi. You know: the first one to get Pelosi Whipped!
“My comment was absurd, to demonstrate the absurdity of Roger’s comment. Did you really believe I was serious in saying Soros is a wingnut?”
No. Not the point at all. The syllogism you used to demonstrate that point was faulty. The absurd conclusion you tried to reach didn’t follow from the assumptions you gave.
Are you saying that conservative thought and deductive reasoning are mutually exclusive?
Well, if A (wingnuts) are B (promoting vice) and C (George Soros) is B (promoting vice), you still haven’t proved C=A. Boys are mean, Ann Coulter is mean, ergo Ann Coulter is a boy.
OK, maybe I should have picked a better example…
57
ConservativeFirst says: … I’d call Soros an extreme leftist. 11/16/2006 at 1:18 pm
So what? Does he have less right to be an “extreme leftist” than you have to be a rightwing extremist? I’d say more, because unlike you freeloading wingfucks, Soros pays his own way.
66
GBS says: Roger Rabbit: You should do a Roger Rabbit poll on what/who will be investigated first by Speaker Pelosi. You know: the first one to get Pelosi Whipped! 11/16/2006 at 2:03 pm
Good idea!
Well Bush can now say he “went” to Viet Nam!
Just like a chickenhawk to wait 30 years to go to a combat zone.
The pussy.
ROGER RABBIT IQ TEST
Ok folks this is a pretty simple test. The number of points you get is for each answer is exactly equal to your imputed IQ. The more points, the smarter you are! Are you ready? Here we go … be careful, there’s a trick answer in there …
Who will be investigated first?
[ ] 1. George W. Bush (150 points)
[ ] 2. Dickless Cheney (149 1/2 points)
[ ] 3. Rumsfeld (148 points)
[ ] 4. Karl Rove (166 points)
[ ] 5. Ann Coulter (147 1/2 points)
[ ] 6. Nancy Pelosi (0 points)
It must really fry these right wing traitors to know that they’re reduced to hoping America fails in order to get back into power.
And I knew Marky was a punk.
Hey righties….what happened to your bullshit predictions that Washington state would fail under Dem leadership?
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/.....ecast.html
Guess you’ll have to think up a new talking point now eh?
Who will be investigated first?
[X] 1. George W. Bush (150 points)
[ ] 2. Dickless Cheney (149 1/2 points)
[ ] 3. Rumsfeld (148 points)
[ ] 4. Karl Rove (166 points)
[ ] 5. Ann Coulter (147 1/2 points)
[ ] 6. Nancy Pelosi (0 points)
“Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.” – Democrat Sen Robert Byrd, KKK Grand Kleagle.
Can I vote 1-5 in that poll? And no, I’m not trying to prove that my IQ is 761.
Gads, Truthless, can you find a racist comment from Sen. Byrd that wasn’t uttered in the years before my mother was born?
Now that was funny, untrue, but funny.
I never said Soros doesn’t have the right to be whatever he wants to be. If Soros isn’t an extreme leftist, where does he fit into the political spectrum?
I have the right to be a rightwing extremist, but I’m not one. But, I think you know that already.
OOOOOH! MOVEON.ORG!!! GEORGE SOROS!!!!! SAN FRANCISCO VALUES!!!! THE HOMOSEXUAL AGENDA!!!!
FELLOW LIBERALS. THEY TRY TO FOOL THE PEOPLE WITH FEAR. THEY ARE SO BANKRUPT. I HOPE THEIR TIME IS FULLY BEHIND US.
OK CF I’VE FIGURED IT OUT.
SOROS IS A STUDENT OF KARL POPPER. KARL POPPER WAS A HUGE CRITIC OF PLATO AND BELIEVED HIS IDEAS LED TO TOTALITARIANISM.
OF COURSE THE NEO-CON STRAUSSIANS FANCY THEMSELVES AS PHILOSOPHER KINGS. THEY (CHENEY, RUMSFELD, WOLFOWITZ, BOLTON, ETC.) WHISPER LIES TO THE “KING” (DUBYA) AND PROMOTE MYTHS (“WANTED DEAD OR ALIVE”, “SMOKE ‘EM OUT OF THEIR HOLES”) TO UNITE THE PEOPLE AROUND THE “KING”.
MYTHS DIE HARD SEE NOV 7. SOROS IS APPALLED BY THIS DECEIT AS AM I.
Prostitution is the free market in its purest form. You have a product or service that makes a small profit and you do the same thing over and over and over again until you are rich!
The Popperian concept of the open society stems from his philosophy of science. Since no one has the perfect knowledge on the perfect government, the next best thing is a government that is ready to change the politics it runs. An open society also has to be pluralistic and multicultural, in order to benefit from the maximum number of viewpoints possible to the given problems.
YOU SEE CF A LOT OF WINGNUTS HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THIS. THAT’S WHAT THE CULTURE WARS ARE ABOUT. THE WINGNUTS BELIEVE IN THIS “AMERICAN” ANGLO-SAXON KIND OF THING. THAT’S WHAT YOU HAVE TO BE IN ORDER TO RULE. IF ANYONE HAS A DIFFERENT VIEW, JUST MAKE FUN, DEMONIZE, MARGINALIZE, CALL HIM A TRAITOR. ITS WORKED OUT GREAT THE LAST 5 ODD YEARS HASN’T IT?
“If Soros isn’t an extreme leftist, where does he fit into the political spectrum?”
Damnedifino. What’s “extereme,” and how does that map to the multiple dimensions of politics?
Nothing releveant in three posts.
I’m not sure what your obsession with Soros is, I was merely using his viewpoint to make a point. Any other leftwinger that advocates prostitution or legalizing drugs would have fit. Soros is just the most recognizble.
CF, EVERYTIME I TURN AROUND, YOU RIGHT WINGERS ARE SPOUTIN’ SOMETHING ABOUT SOROS. YOU BROUGHT HIM UP FIRST, I DIDN’T. YOU CALLED HIM AN EXTREME LEFTIST. ALL I’M ASKING IS WHY?
I TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE RIGHT WING’S OBSESSION. I THINK I FIGURED IT OUT. IT’S A HUGE CORE PHILOSOPHICAL DIFFERENCE THAT BOTH SIDES ARE WILLING TO SPEND HUGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY ON.
Any other leftwinger that advocates prostitution or legalizing drugs would have fit.
LIKE LIBERTARIANS PERHAPS?
Leo Strauss and the Grand Inquisitor
by Shadia B. Drury
“There is a certain irony in the fact that the chief guru of the neoconservatives is a thinker who regarded religion merely as a political tool intended for the masses but not for the superior few. Leo Strauss, the German Jewish émigré who taught at the University of Chicago almost until his death in 1973, did not dissent from Marx’s view that religion is the opium of the people; but he believed that the people need their opium. He therefore taught that those in power must invent noble lies and pious frauds to keep the people in the stupor for which they are supremely fit.
Not all the neoconservatives have read Strauss. And those who have rarely understand him, for he was a very secretive thinker who expressed his ideas with utmost circumspection. But there is one thing that he made very clear: liberal secular society is untenable. Religion is necessary to provide political society with moral order and stability. Of course, this is a highly questionable claim. History makes it abundantly clear that religion has been a most destabilizing force in politics—a source of conflict, strife, and endless wars. But neoconservatives dogmatically accept the view of religion as a panacea for everything that ails America.”
http://www.secularhumanism.org.....drury_24_4
LIB BRO
It’s about “isa” politics. What someone’s actual views might be on various issues are irrelevant so long as wingnuts can paint them with any kind of “isa” brush that marginalizes those views. It’s a way to avoid actually discussing the issues. Find a wingnut willing to talk about poverty or health care without them either accusing you of being some kind of left-wing extremist/socialist and without them falling back on theoretical platitudes that amout to saying, “Not my problem.”
DON JOE, YOU’VE NAILED IT AT LEAST IN PART. ROADS/BRIDGES CRUMBLING – NOT MY PROBLEM. MARKET FAILURES IN HEALTH INSURANCE – NOT MY PROBLEM.
ETC…
BunnyBoy @ 65: “Ask Goldy if he can do bright yellow.”
It should properly be YOUR messages and those of the other DemAutomatons that shoud be yellow since you’re all clearly Yellow Dog Democrats.
“The Real Mark says:
BunnyBoy @ 65: “Ask Goldy if he can do bright yellow.”
It should properly be YOUR messages and those of the other DemAutomatons that shoud be yellow since you’re all clearly Yellow Dog Democrats.
11/16/2006 at 4:27 pm
Nahhhh, it’s for the conservatives that are clearly cowards and to denote which one of you whimps have been Pelosi Whipped!
Get used to it boys! **Wuuhhh-TSSsshhh**
Pretty simple. An extremist is someone who holds a viewpoint that is far from the center or middle. Anyone who advocates legalizing prostitution and drugs would fit, since a vast majority of Americans don’t support these ideas. Soros is also a leftist based upon his support of left wing political ideaology, i.e. moveon.org. (I think I just might grok this syllogism stuff).
Now you are just being obtuse. See above.
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RightEqualsStupid says: “It must really fry these right wing traitors to know that they’re reduced to hoping America fails in order to get back into power.” 11/16/2006 at 2:18 pm
It’s worse than that; they’re hoping for a terrorist attack:
“Congratulations Speaker Pelosi, now let the bombs fall where they may. My prediction: terror attack on domestic soil passenger aircraft within the next six months. Casualties in the 2-300 range. And, unfortunately, maybe that’s just what we need. It’s obvious people don’t remember what happened 5 years ago. Posted by FullContactPolitics at November 8, 2006 10:52 AM
http://tinyurl.com/ydlfwu
78 Yer Killin Me says: Can I vote 1-5 in that poll? And no, I’m not trying to prove that my IQ is 761. 11/16/2006 at 2:30 pm
I’ll allow cumulating points, but the score for Pelosi is hereby changed from “0” to -350.
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ConservativeFirst says: I was merely being absurd to make a point.
Roger Rabbit Reply: Most of the time you dispense with the point and are merely absurd. Why the extra effort this time?
ConservativeFirst says: Now that was funny, untrue, but funny.
Roger Rabbit Reply: I trust you realize you left your flank unguarded — next time watch out for those bunny kicks coming in sideways! And it IS true.
“Now you are just being obtuse. See above.”
Not obtuse. Oblique, perhaps, but not obtuse, and for two reasons:
1) It’s possible to define “extremist” in a number of ways, and I have confess that I find your “majority opinion” litmus test less than satisfactory. Indeed, if you want to go that direction, then you’d have to say that staying the course in Iraq represents an “extremist” view.
2) You’re attempting to map multiple dimensions down to a single, linear space, and the result manages to lose quite a bit in translation. For example, Soros happens to hold minority views with respect to prostitution and legalization of drugs, but what about other issues? Are his views with respect to, say minimum wage, also minority views?
Combine both of those points together, and it’s not at all difficult to conclude that “extreme leftist” is just a label you want to slap on someone for the sake of marginalizing his views. Ultimately, it’s your standard ad-hominem argument. It’s a cheap shot used by those who are intellectually lazy.
And, by the way, no, you’re not grokking the concept of a syllogism. In fact, you’re not grokking several concepts related to sound reasoning and logical arguments.
it’s not at all difficult to conclude that “extreme leftist” is just a label you want to slap on someone for the sake of marginalizing his views.
YOU NAILED IT GOOD DON JOE. THESE WINGERS ARE SO CONDITIONED THEY DON’T EVEN KNOW THEY’RE DOING IT.
BORAT’S PROTEST SIGN:
For those who haven’t seen “Borat”, he converts to christianity at a low point in his experience in the US. When Borat goes to protest marches ‘nowadays’, he goes as one of those “You’re all going to hell” christians, with a edge. The sign he carries reads:
Believe on the Lord
Jesus Christ,
and thou shalt get laid.
Following the Nov 7 election, Borat prayed, “Thank you Lord, for bitch-slapping them God-damn republicans.”