“The David Goldstein Show” tonight on Newsradio 710-KIRO

Tonight on “The David Goldstein Show”, 7PM to 10PM on Newsradio 710-KIRO:

7PM: Is the Port of Seattle taking on water?
With the Port of Seattle in the midst of an ethical scandal, Port Commissioner Alec Fisken joins me in the studio to answer some blunt questions about the culture at the Port, and what needs to be changed. Should Commissioner Pat Davis resign for authorizing a golden parachute for outgoing Port CEO Mic Dinsmore? Do the Port Commission’s executive sessions violate state “sunshine” laws? Call in and ask Fisken for yourself.

8PM: Is the U.S. becoming a prison state?
Author Sasha Abramsky joins me for the hour to talk about his new book, American Furies: Crime, Punishment and Vengeance in the Age of Mass Imprisonment. With over 2 million people imprisoned on any given day in a system that emphasizes vengeance over rehabilitation, Abramsky argues that “America’s incarceration infrastructure … has started to eat away at the country’s democratic institutions from the inside out.” Abramsky will be in Seattle doing a book reading and signing on Thursday, June 7, 7PM at the Elliot Bay Book Shop.

9PM: When is a terrorist plot not a terrorist plot?
This week’s high profile foiling of an alleged terrorist plot to blow up New York’s JFK Airport made screaming headlines around the nation, but didn’t even manage to make the front page of the New York Times. Why? Maybe because it was hard for the Grey Lady to get worked up about a plot “so nascent that there was no developed plan for how the plotters would get explosives, let alone gain access to the tanks and pipelines they hoped to target.” Kinda like my threat to blow up Sea-Tac Airport.

Tune in tonight (or listen to the live stream) and give me a call: 1-877-710-KIRO (5476).

Comments

  1. 1

    Mark The Redneck KENNEDY spews:

    The “Fairness Doctrine” in action with one of your fucking heros.

    newsDOTyahooDOTcom/s/ap/20070603/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/venezuela_media_protest

  2. 2

    Mark The Redneck KENNEDY spews:

    Speaking of “culture of corruption”… how bout TSWITW paying charter fares for private flights. I think these flights actually cost about $6000/hr. She pays nothing even close to that.

    But then again, she’s better than the rest of us…

    wwwDOTcapitolhillblueDOTcom/cont/node/2581

  3. 4

    Mark The Redneck KENNEDY spews:

    Speaking of corruption, when are the hearings for LiarFuckingCantwell giving taxpayer money to her fuck buddy?

  4. 6

    Mark The Redneck KENNEDY spews:

    The Inventor Of The Internet will be in the Feminist Utopia of Seattle tomorrow (Monday) talking about his new book.

    I find it hysterically funny that the guy who is foisting the biggest hoax in the history of the world has the fucking gall to write a book about being stoopid.

    Shit… pot callin’ the kettle black if ya aks me…

  5. 7

    Mark The Redneck KENNEDY spews:

    Speaking of Kennedy…I need some new panty dropper drink recipes. Any of you got any?

  6. 8

    harry poon spews:

    re 4: … and I DID live long enough to piss on Jerry Falwell’s grave. God is Great!

  7. 10

    harry poon spews:

    Reagan claimed to have personally toppled Communism — a claim the Chinese view with skepticism.

  8. 11

    spews:

    Mark the Moron @ 4

    “when are the hearings for LiarFuckingCantwell giving taxpayer money to her fuck buddy?”

    As usual, you have no fucking idea what you are talking about.

    Pay your debt to Goldy asshole.

  9. 12

    K spews:

    I’d go back and post the debunking of the whole Gore invented the internet thing, but MTR is so dense and unwilling to consider anything beyond his perverted world view, so I won’t bother.

  10. 13

    Mark The Redneck KENNEDY spews:

    I’m wondering if you moonbats can help me unnerstan’ sumfing…

    Socialist empty skirt Hussein was in town last week talking about “free” healthcare. Can you Takers splain to me the concept of “free”. Does that mean doctors don’t get paid? Does that mean pharm companies give away their products?

  11. 15

    Mark The Redneck KENNEDY spews:

    K the fucking idiot – Let me help you:

    Even though it’s from those nasty neocons at CNN, read it.
    wwwDOTcnnDOTcom/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/03/09/presidentDOT2000/transcriptDOTgore/

    Transcript: Vice President Gore on CNN’s ‘Late Edition’

    March 9, 1999

    CNN’S WOLF BLITZER: Mr. Vice President, thanks for joining us on Late Edition.

    BLITZER: I want to get to some of the substance of domestic and international issues in a minute, but let’s just wrap up a little bit of the politics right now.

    Why should Democrats, looking at the Democratic nomination process, support you instead of Bill Bradley, a friend of yours, a former colleague in the Senate? What do you have to bring to this that he doesn’t necessarily bring to this process?

    GORE: Well, I will be offering — I’ll be offering my vision when my campaign begins. And it will be comprehensive and sweeping. And I hope that it will be compelling enough to draw people toward it. I feel that it will be.

    But it will emerge from my dialogue with the American people. I’ve traveled to every part of this country during the last six years. During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country’s economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system.

  12. 16

    Tuor spews:

    No, it means we all pay of crapload of taxes so that poor people can afford to get health care. We need to keep our poor healthy so that they can continue to serve their betters for many years to come. Sick people can’t work, and retraining is expensive.

    Don’t worry: the Middle-class has our back.

  13. 17

    Mark The Redneck KENNEDY spews:

    When The Inventor Of The Internet is here tomorrow, can one of you gullible fools ask him why he thinks he is the one to make the judgement that today’s environment is the optimal one that is perfect and shouldn’t change?

    For zample…aks him why “Greenland” has that name. Seems like it oughta be “Whiteland” if he’s right.

  14. 18

    K spews:

    @ 15, no dumbshit, let me help you, to the extent you can be helped:
    “But as the two people who designed the basic architecture and the core protocols that make the Internet work, we would like to acknowledge VP Gore’s contributions as a Congressman, Senator and as Vice President. No other elected official, to
    our knowledge, has made a greater contribution over a longer period of time.”
    By Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf
    http://www.interesting-people......00052.html

    But continue to spread your foolish lies. Its the only way you have to advance your positions.

  15. 19

    spews:

    Mark the Dipshit @ 15

    You forgot part of the sentence, moron…

    During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet.

    How is this statement even the least bit controversial?

    I realize, Redneck, that you were busy dealing drugs to your future late ex-wife at the time, and have little to no understanding of the development of the internet. Here is a very brief lesson for ya…no charge.

    Through the 1980, the non-military version of the “internet” was almost entirely the private playground of the universities, and mostly computer science and engineering departments at those universities. Through the 70s and 80s major developments took place in these universities through federally funded research in CS/EE departments. It was not until the 1990s that the internet was taken (some would say ripped) out of its academic womb and made more widely available. Why? To a very large extent, because of the efforts of Al Gore.

    But, don’t take my word for it. From V. Cerf and B. Kahn (you know, Mark the Asshole, two relatively important people in the development of the networking technology) come these excerpts from Al Gore and the Internet, Sept 2000

    “Last year the Vice President …. said: “During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the Internet.” We don’t think, as some people have argued, that Gore intended to claim he “invented” the Internet. Moreover, there is no question in our minds that while serving as Senator, Gore’s initiatives had a significant and beneficial effect on the still-evolving Internet. …Gore was talking about and promoting the Internet long before most people were listening.”

    “As far back as the 1970s Congressman Gore promoted the idea of high speed telecommunications as an engine for both economic growth and the improvement of our educational system. He was the first elected official to grasp the potential of computer communications to have a broader impact than just improving the conduct of science and scholarship. …. Our work on the Internet started in 1973 and was based on even earlier work that took place in the mid-late 1960s. But the Internet, as we know it today, was not deployed until 1983. When the Internet was still in the early stages of its deployment, Congressman Gore provided intellectual leadership by helping create the vision of the potential benefits of high speed computing and communication. As an example, he sponsored hearings on how advanced technologies might be put to use in areas like coordinating the response of government agencies to natural disasters and other crises.”

    “As a Senator in the 1980s Gore urged government agencies to consolidate what at the time were several dozen different and unconnected networks into an ‘Interagency Network.’ Working in a bi-partisan manner with officials in Ronald Reagan and George Bush’s administrations, Gore secured the passage of the High Performance Computing and Communications Act in 1991. This “Gore Act” supported the National Research and Education Network (NREN) initiative that became one of the major vehicles for the spread of the Internet beyond the field of computer science.”

    “As Vice President Gore promoted building the Internet both up and out, as well as releasing the Internet from the control of the government agencies that spawned it. …. Gore provided much-needed political support for the speedy privatization of the Internet when the time arrived for it to become a commercially-driven operation.”

    “There are many factors that have contributed to the Internet’s rapid growth since the later 1980s, not the least of which has been political support for its privatization and continued support for research in advanced networking technology. No one in public life has been more intellectually engaged in helping to create the climate for a thriving Internet than the Vice President.”

    See what happen when you buy into wingnut talking points, Redneck?

  16. 20

    spews:

    Stefan is a coward.

    Stefan can’t handle people telling the truth on his blog.

    Goldy lets people as foolish as MTK post here, but you won’t let anyone that disagrees you prove you are wrong.

    Poooooooooor Stefan. Heza gotta blawwwwwwwwg, and he has to delete comments so only the retards comments remain.

    Poooooooooor Stefan.

    Stefan, I challenge you to a debate. Any time anywhere. Heck you can bring Karl Rove if you want. I will trash you with the truth so badly you will go crying home to your mommie, if she would take your hypocrite ass back……

    How bout it Stefan.

    Let’s make it public. You talk about “conservative” issues, and I will talk about criminal behavior. Sound fair?

    Coward.

    You Fuc*ing coward.

    I never once posted anything on your stupid blog that I couldn’t back up with links. Delete my posts will you? It only means I am right, and you can’t defend your positions. Period. I win. Hands down.

    You lose Stefan.

    You COWARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Pussie!!!!!!

  17. 21

    YOS LIB BRO spews:

    DARRYL,

    IT’S USELESS. GOLDY HAS TO GO TO REGISTERED HANDLES TO KEEP BRAINLESS SHITHEADS LIKE MTR OFF OF HA.ORG.

    MTR WON’T PAY HIS FUCKING GAMBLING DEBT SO HE HAS TO STEP THE FUCK OFF!

    HE CAN GO BACK TO (UN)SP FOR “INTELLIGENT” COMMENT, I.E. WALLOW IN THE CROWD OF TERMINAL LOSERS OVER THERE.

    HE’LL BE RIGHT AT HOME.

  18. 24

    spews:

    Mark the Moron @ 22

    “Are my questions too difficult? Apparently…”

    Naaa…the questions are simply too misinformed.

    But, you know, keep posting ‘em. You serve as a fine outstanding example of the Wacko Wingnut Right for us to laugh at.

  19. 25

    K spews:

    Your BS talking points on the invention of the internet are proven out of context and wrong. And I’m sure you’ll repeat it again soon.

  20. 26

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    2 million in prison, only 51 million to go (everyone who voted for Bush).*

    * Just kidding! Wingnut humor, Coulter-style.

  21. 27

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @1 Whatsamatter redneck, does it piss you off that Chavez behaves like Bush? Pay your gambling debt!

  22. 28

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @7 What do you plan to do with her after getting her panties dropped, Mark? Do you know? Have any idea? (Hint: First, ya gotta pay your gambling debt!)

  23. 29

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @13 “Socialist empty skirt Hussein was in town last week talking about “free” healthcare. Can you Takers splain to me the concept of “free”. Does that mean doctors don’t get paid? Does that mean pharm companies give away their products?”

    No, it means we steal back all the money that Republicans stole from us. Any questions?

  24. 30

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @15 “I took the initiative in creating the Internet.”

    Which is true. What part of that do you still not understand?

  25. 31

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    ROGER RABBIT QUIZ

    Which rightwing moron loser on this board owes a $100 gambling debt that is more than a year in arrears?

    [ ] 1. Mark the Redneck
    [ ] 2. Mark the Redneck
    [ ] 3. Mark the Redneck
    [ ] 4. Mark the Redneck
    [ ] 5. All of the above

    No cheating now!

  26. 32

    FricknFrack, Seattle spews:

    Shucks Goldie, I WANTED to hear Alec Fisken. But by the time I stopped by HA and saw your post, he was already wrapping up the last couple of minutes.

    Is there any way/place to load up and re-play the rest of that discussion with Fisken? I didn’t see any spot there at the KIRO website.

    Now that he’s FINALLY got some support to start cleaning up the Port – – – with Hara being elected, a PROFESSIONAL (non pocket lining) Port CEO in Tay Yoshitan, Dinsmore’s long overdue exit, hopefully a successful Pat Davis recall, hopefully Dinsmore/Davis- lackey-Edward’s boot out the door this next Nov.,

    MAYBE the pieces are falling into place so that Fisken can actually help drain that swamp & clean up that Port ! He’s obviously got my vote already, but I wanted to hear him speaking with you. Dang! Next time give us some notice, will ya?

  27. 34

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Well whaddya know! Roger Rabbit is posting on HA at the same time Goldy is talking on the ray-dee-oh! Another Xmasghost theory is blown to hell!

    Blowing up wingnut theories is a lot easier than blowing up airports! Have any of you wingnuts out there in la-la-land managed to set jet fuel alight with a match yet? Why don’cha call in to Goldy’s show and let him know when you finally get ‘er goin’.

    HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR

  28. 35

    FricknFrack, Seattle spews:

    @ 31 Okay, I’m game:

    [XXX] 5. All of the above

    Wish someone would point us newcomers to the linked thread that tells of Redneck’s welshing of his bet, when he began doing the ‘loser’ limping. More than a year in arrears, huh? Give us newbies the juicy details, will ya?

    American Heritage Dictionary – Cite This Source
    welsh (wělsh, wělch) Pronunciation Key
    intr.v. welshed also welched, welsh·ing also welch·ing, welsh·es also welch·es Informal

    1. To swindle a person by not paying a debt or wager.
    2. To fail to fulfill an obligation.

    Pathetic for someone who needs to keep spouting off, hijacking threads for attention grabbing. Most welshers would normally just crawl under a rock, I ‘spect.

  29. 36

    FricknFrack, Seattle spews:

    @ 33, Darryl –

    Thanks a million! I will definitely go looking for the audio. The last couple of minutes sounded like it was a good & interesting interview. Thx

  30. 38

    Dan Rather spews:

    harry poon says:

    Reagan claimed to have personally toppled Communism — a claim the Chinese view with skepticism.

    06/03/2007 at 7:01 pm

    Wow. A commie quoting commies on Reagan. That is someting you dont see every…..nevermind.

  31. 39

    Tree Frog Farmer spews:

    Hmmm. Sometime when I am properly motivated, I’ll have give pointers to posts on (Un)Sound Politics where ‘the Marks’ give up their real names and e-mail addresses. Several Clues now, tho': One of them is named ‘Mark’. Right at the moment I can’t remember his medical specialty, but it is buried in my notes. Another ‘Mark’ is actually named ‘Jeff’, and is quite proud of his pissant PE. I’d give the numbers, but since the license has so few digits, I’m not sure how to obscure it properly. . .
    I believe these two clowns attended a stat class at SU. . .hence their misapplication of probably the one element of analysis they managed to grasp to the governor’s election. . . .
    I’ll leave the mangled tale of ‘Mark’s’ betting foibles to another. . .

  32. 40

    Dan Rather spews:

    19

    Ah, so you are saying through the leadership of a republican president Al Gore made the internet more widely available? Well why not. Clinton rode the coat tails of the Reagan economy in the 90’s, why not Gore with the internet. Thanks for clearing that up.

  33. 41

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @35 Mark the Welsher bet Goldy $100 that Initiative 912 (the gas tax repeal) would win by 10 points (or was it 15 points? I don’t remember).

    Then, after I-912 went down in flames at the polls, Welsher asked me a legal question about the enforceability of gambling debts, and I advised him (in the HA comment threads) that the law does not recognize gambling debts as legal obligations and courts will not enforce them.

    Since then, Welsher has steadfastly refused to pay.

    However, I doubt the legality of gambling debts is the governing factor here, as child support clearly is a legal and enforceable obligation; and, in Welsher’s case, there seems to have been a problem with payment of his child support obligation, too.

  34. 42

    spews:

    FricknFrack, Seattle @ 35

    Redneck offers a bet to Goldy that Initiative 912 would win by 15%.

    Goldy accepts Redneck’s offer.

    Here is where Goldy tries to collect. (This entire thread has an extensive analysis of the bet.)

    And here is where Redneck even admits he made the bet and lost it.

    Redneck even tried weaseling out of it by lying that the site didn’t work (alternatively, maybe he is too stupid to figure out how to use a web form?).

    The “broken website” theory was falsified.

  35. 43

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Blame the war critics …

    That’s what the rightwing spin machine is doing tonight in response to the sad news that 14 more American soldiers died in Iraq this weekend.

    Right after Goldy’s talk show ended, CBS news came on, and quoted CBS military analyst Jeff McCausland as saying insurgents are reacting to discontent at home by killing more American troops.

    Sounds like it was scripted by Karl Rove. In fact, it probably was.

    It’s also bullshit. Stop and think about this for 1/2 of one second. Don’t ya think the insurgents have been killing as many American soldiers as they possibly could, all along?

  36. 44

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    What does it take to get rightwingers to admit they fucked up? That they don’t know how to plan or execute and invasion and occupation? That they blew this war with incompetence and bad judgment?

    American soldiers are dying in Iraq because Republicans sent them there. It’s no more complicated than that.

  37. 45

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    And then there’s James Oxard who sent Goldy an instant message tonight containing a thinly disguised attempt to get Goldy to stumble over his speech and say a prohibited word on the air, to get him in trouble with the FCC.

    Nice try, James. Good thing they didn’t put an idiot like YOU in charge of supervising the Iraq occupation or we’d have even MORE dead soldiers over there.

  38. 46

    Tree Frog Farmer spews:

    Bye the bye, I think the last hour of Goldy’s show tonight was probably some of the best radio heard in Seattle in quite some time. When he is passionately involved in his subject, he is quite compelling.

  39. 47

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @42 FNF, as you can see, Redneck’s welshing has been thoroughly documented. In fact, MTR doesn’t even attempt to claim anymore that he didn’t welsh a bet.

    Of course, Goldy could/should have seen this coming. When have you ever heard of ANY Republican NOT being a liar, welsher, and freeloader?

  40. 48

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    The Monkey-In-Chief is a welsher, too. For example, the “commander guy” promised to spend $15 billion fighting AIDS in Africa. Needless to say, Africa never saw the money. He also promised NASA $100 billion for a manned Mars mission. That, too, was pie-in-the-sky. And it goes without saying that everything Bush has done in the areas of homeland security and federal interference with education has consisted of unfunded mandates that have diverted local resources away from more cops on the streets and more teachers in classroms — is it any surprise that crime is up and test scores are down?

    Show me a Republican, and I’ll show you a welsher.

  41. 49

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    And don’t even talk about wages! Washington’s Department of Labor and Industries has a whole program devoted to going after employers who don’t pay their employees the wages owed to them. Show me a Republican, and I’ll show you a welsher.

  42. 50

    Tree Frog Farmer spews:

    @42FNF&@47RR And of course, this also leads in to the essential character of Mark the Retarded Redneck’s presence on HA as a ‘bombthrower’ and thread hijacker. He hasn’t anything worthwhile to contribute, but still harbors a grievance over the loss of the governor’s contest.

  43. 51

    harry poon spews:

    “Should any American soldier be so base and infamous as to injure any [prisoner]. . . I do most earnestly enjoin you to bring him to such severe and exemplary punishment as the enormity of the crime may require. Should it extend to death itself, it will not be disproportional to its guilt at such a time and in such a cause… for by such conduct they bring shame, disgrace and ruin to themselves and their country.”

    – George Washington, charge to the Northern Expeditionary Force, Sept. 14, 1775

  44. 52

    harry poon spews:

    MTR
    “…they bring shame, disgrace and ruin to themselves and their country.”
    George Washington, charge to the Northern Expeditionary Force, Sept. 14, 1775

  45. 54

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @50 Should be a Republican, and I’ll show you a sore loser.

    Let’s see. Republicans are liars, thieves, welshers, freeloaders, bad sports, and hopelessly incompetent. How much longer are the media and American public going to give them the time of day? It’s time for the rightwingers to be relegated back to “the fringe” where they belong, and ignored as they deserve.

  46. 56

    spews:

    Rufus @ 40

    “…so you are saying through the leadership of a republican president Al Gore made the internet more widely available? “

    Al Gore did his championing of the internet through one Democratic and two Republican presidents. Notice that none of those presidents get credit from Cerf and Kahn (and they’re the guys who ought to know…).

    Besides, we all know that Shurb is the first Republican president to ever explore the toooobes of the internets, and he doesn’t use the emails. He only uses the Google to look at his ranch.

  47. 57

    Tree Frog Farmer spews:

    Harry@51 Just as the Constitution has been reduced to ‘just a an old piece of paper’, the thugs in the Whitehouse would totally discount Washington as a’doddering old man’.
    After all, what good is what he says, he’s dead.

  48. 58

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Where is Xmasghost tonight? She must have missed the part of Goldy’s show where he was talking on the ray-dee-oh while I was posting on HA …

  49. 59

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Should we surprised that “the surge” is resulting in more U.S. casualties? Wasn’t that completely predictable?

  50. 61

    Tree Frog Farmer spews:

    RogerRabbit@58 You really are accomplished. I find it amazing that you can ‘run’ Goldy as a ‘sock-puppet’ on the radio at the same time as you are commenting here on the ‘threads’.

  51. 62

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Another cute little item on the CBS News report at 10:00, right after Goldy’s show, is that New York Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly says Al Qaeda is now a “philosophy.”

    How convenient. By redefining Al Qaeda from a specific organization with specific leaders to a “philosophy,” the rightwing spinmeisters of the Fear Cult can stir up public fear by labeling every gang of crackpots who fantasize about blowing up airports with kerosene as “an Al Qaeda terrorist cell.”

  52. 63

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    It’s sort of clever, when you stop to think about it. If Al Qaeda is a “philosophy” instead of an organization, then it will never be defeated and the “war against terrorism” can go on forever, right? — and so can illegal prisons, restrictions on civil liberties, suppression of free speech and protests, etc.

    It’s a fascist police commissioner’s wet dream.

  53. 64

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Yep, I’ll bet a certain Raymond Kelly spends every night dreaming about being police commissioner in a police state, in which he has absolute power to do anything he wants to anyone who criticizes his Republican pals.

  54. 65

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @61 All you need is string and 10 fingers. Oops, wait, I don’t have 10 fingers … I have four paws and 20 toes. Another wingnut theory blown to hell …

  55. 67

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    And no thumbs … that’s why I make so fucking many typos. Have you ever tried to type with 16 toes and no thumbs?

  56. 70

    Puddybud Who Left the Reservation spews:

    Pelletbreath: So by your “knowledge” of cumbustion, flying a plane into the World Trade Center should have left a large hone in the building right?

    1) Pipeline explodes
    2) Oxygen and Kerosene mix
    3) Ignition from explosive charge ignites the kerosene oxygen mix.
    4) Resultant explosion take out oil pipeline

    I hope this helps.

  57. 71

    spews:

    Well, Puddybud, maybe my knowledge of jet fuel storage might add a bit to the conversation, as that “AW” after my Navy rating indicates that I am an “Enlisted Aviation Warfare Specialist”.

    Unlike gasoline, jet fuel is pretty hard to ignite, and even more difficult to make explode. One demonstration I remember is watching an instructor putting out matches in a beaker of JP5 (jet fuel).

    Not impossible, mind you, just difficult. Situations like the World Trade Center, where lots of fuel gets aerosolized in a location with multiple ignition sources could do it, as the aerosolized fuel is relatively easy to ignite, and the resultant fire is extremely hot, which can cause the liquid fuel to vaporize, which continues the process.

    If the terrorists flew a jet into the tank farm, it would be a mess, and the fire would be seen for miles. The airport would have to be shut down, and certainly some people would be killed. It would make headlines around the world.

    The airport would be able to resume at least partial operations the next day.

    Driving a truck full of explosives into a tank farm would also make a mess, and the resultant fire would also shut down airport operations for a day or so. If the terrorists did it just right, they might even take out more than one fuel storage tank.

    But if they were dumb enough to choose that sort of target, I wouldn’t bet on it. It’s far more likely that the only loss of life would be the terrorists.

    Perhaps I should be a better person, but I’m having a tough time working up a lot of sympathy for them, although perhaps we could nominate them for a Darwin award.

  58. 72

    YOS LIB BRO spews:

    <grin>
    PUDDYWHACKO, SUFFERING FROM ALZHEIMERS IS SCARED TO DEATH OF A “SAD OLD GUY”, A FORMER BAGGAGE HANDLER.

    IT FIGURES.

    WELL, THEY CAUGHT THE GUY. SHOWS THAT INVASION OF IRAQ, THOSE 400 BILLION PLUS, THOSE PILES OF DEAD BODIES AND LIMBS ARE WORKING THE WAY THEY’RE SUPPOSED TO.

    </grin>

  59. 73

    emily littela spews:

    What’s this president’s fuss and fear about tourists? We need tourists. They’re an important part of the economy.

  60. 74

    Richard Pope spews:

    Is everyone ready for Mrs. Gregoire’s plan to spend $54 billion dollars — 2/3 of it going to (un)Sound Transit — that will be on the ballot this fall? On a per capita basis (divide that by 3 million people), this is far more expensive than all of George W. Bush’s wars and deficit spending put together.

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....bt04m.html

  61. 75

    Tree Frog Farmer spews:

    YLB@72 The amazing thing is, with Darrell Dumbass (ButtPutty/MWS/etc.), he plays at being a volunteer fireman. . .or at least has hius name on a roster to that effect.
    Kinda scary, with his ignorance about combustibles. . . .

  62. 77

    ArtFart spews:

    MTR can’t possibly have a closed mind. That would require first having a mind to close.

  63. 78

    RightEqualsStupid spews:

    My guess is Pope got his math wrong or is as usual taking things to the extreme regarding the Governor’s transit plan. But let’s point a few things out. People will get their say. It’s going to be voted on. So if you want gridlock vote no. Also, EVEN IF POPE SHOCKED THE WORLD AND GOT SOMETHING RIGHT, paying more per capita in Wa for transit than in Iraq for death and destruction makes perfect sense to me. Plus, the transit plan at least has a chance to work. The war does not. It’s already lost.

  64. 80

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Hey puffy, why don’t you share with us your expert opinion about how blowing a hole in a fuel pipeline takes out the whole airport? If the fire is big enough it melts the concrete runways, is that the theory?

  65. 82

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    See this morning’s news reports re: these “plotters” were hot air and little else.

  66. 84

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    They even had to go shopping for a terrorist organization willing to support them, and of course didn’t find one.

  67. 85

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @74 $54 billion is more than $450 billion? No wonder you can’t get elected to a $6,000-a-year job running the port commission, Richard.

    That said, I nevertheless must concede that even your financial skills would be an improvement over the existing commissioners’ financial skills …

  68. 87

    Puddybud Who Left the Reservation spews:

    Pelletbreath, where did I say that? Constipation again?

  69. 88

    Puddybud Who Left the Reservation spews:

    75 Frogkisser: You are so right again, like I “live” in Mason County!