Goldy started something of a theme with The Aristocrats, also known as The Greatest Dirty Joke Ever Told. Every comedian tells a slightly different version….
Now, political blogger Dan Conley offers a new Bush-themed twist on this classic joke: The Aristocrat.
Note: Expect language and concepts compatible with a title like “the greatest dirty joke ever told.”
(Source: TG Political Wire.)
As long as it doesn’t mention Puddybud’s wife I suppose you’re okay. JCH might even get a hard on.
Puddybud’s gone quiet. Maybe the wife put the kibbosh on him after reading a bit of his commentary here.
More than likely he tired of your ilks tireless meaningless and irrelevant ramblings………..
Green Thumb, Do you “miss” Democrat hero Tookie Williams? Do you miss his 9 inches of “love” pounding your anal cavity? I know he misses you!
read this http://www.marxists.org/
5, Socialist, Roger Rabbit, Is that you?
The battle for Minnesota’s open U.S. Senate seat is turning into one of the closer races of the 2006 election season in a state once ruled by Democrats but trending Republican in recent years. Even Minnesota’s Democratic state chairman, Brian Melendez, told The Washington Times that “this state is about evenly divided between Republicans and Democrats. It has become more conservative-leaning in recent years…. [……………………………………………………………Shouldn’t you commie lib Democrats be thinking about busing a few hundred thousand illegals into St. Paul in NOV 06? Maybe the Broward County [FL] Democrats could help count the votes in MINN/St. Paul? And Roger Rabbit could help slash Republican van tires on Election Day! Just a few ideas for you libs.]
A federal appeals court has allowed Rep. William Jefferson to review all the documents snip This would allow the Louisiana Democrat to say which documents are legislative in nature in the hopes of preventing them from being considered by the courts in any further action regarding the bribery case. The district court also must perform its own review of the documents to determine their admissibility.
For his 2-day review of personal documents, Democrat Jefferson has requested the assistance of Clinton Democrat Sandy Berger. hehe, JCH
A Muslim man angry with Israel barged into the offices of the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle Friday afternoon and opened fire with a handgun, killing one woman and wounding five others before surrendering to police. Three of the women were in critical condition late Friday. [……………………………………………………………………………………… I want to know where GBS and Roger Rabbit were yesterday!!!!]
3 – accurate judgement – of Puddybud’s commentary that is.
No doubt about it. . .JohnCraigHerman
fits right in. . .He’s definitely an “Aristocrat”.
Jay Leno: “Humanitarian aid from the US has begun to arrive in Lebanon. The US government sent 10,000 medical kits, 20,000 blankets, $30 million cash. And today the people in New Orleans said, ‘They did what?’”
Commentby Daddy Love— […………………………………………………..Hey! Where are the $2000 visa cards for Black Velvet, Marlboros, hookers,bitches, and hos???]
oops look out neo bOOb;s mel’s an anti semit
Gibson’s Anti-Semitic Tirade — Alleged Cover Up
http://www.tmz.com/2006/07/28/.....-cover-up/
Widespread Heat Waves “Very Strongly Connected†To Global Warming…from the HuffingtonPost.com
http://tinyurl.com/zd58y
-Cheap-labor conservatives don’t like social spending or our ‘afety net’ … (b)ecause when you’re unemployed and desperate, corporations can pay you … next to nothing … they want you ‘over a barrel’ and in a position to ‘work cheap or starve’. “Cheap-labor conservatives don’t like the minimum wage, or other improvements in wages and working conditions … (they)
have hated Social Security and Medicare since their inception … (they) like budget deficits and a huge national debt (because) a bankrupt government has a harder time doing any ’social spending’ ….”
http://www.conceptualguerilla......php?id=103
Commentby Roger Rabbit— 7/28/06@ 1:56 pm
Rabbit, if you don’t like cheap labor why do you support cheap labor corporate Dem Cantwell(D-Mexico, voted for NAFTA and CAFTA,voted to give social security benefits to illegal aliens) instead of Tran? When you wake up try to explain how NAFTA and CAFTA helped American workers, or would you prefer to run like a rabbit from Cantwell’s record.
Toxic Runoff Spawning “The Rise Of Slime†In Worldwide Oceans…from
Toxic Runoff Spawning “The Rise Of Slime†In Worldwide Oceans…
theHuffingtonPost.comhttp://www.latimes.com/news/local/oceans/la-me-ocean30jul30,0,952130.story
REP Pat Kennedy [D-Bitchslap the Black Security Guard At LAX]
HAVE YOU BEEN PEEING IN THE POOL AGIEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fmr. GOP Rep: “It Is In The Best Interests Of The Nation…To Return Control Of The House To Temporary Democratic Controlâ€â€¦
from the HuffingtonPost.com
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....26011.html
Gosh even the republicans are praying for the dem’s to take control of congress .
Homeland Security Spent $34B In Taxpayer Money On Wasteful Contracts Including Gyms, Fancy Office Art And Kitchens…
from the HuffingtonPost.com http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/hom....._contracts
I had to counter [REP Pat Kennedy [D-Bitchslap the Black Security Guard At LAX] redickuluse B.S. about Hey! Where are the $2000 visa cards for Black Velvet, Marlboros, hookers,bitches, and hos???]
AmericaFirst @ 15:
There’s no running from Cantwell’s record. Politics is the art of compromise. A democracy can’t function without it. That’s particularly true in Washington state, which has such polarities in ideology (e.g., eastside rural vs. Seattle metro).
Cantwell isn’t senator of Seattle — she’s senator of the entire state. Not surprisingly, she has a centrist voting record that strikes me as matching the centrism of the state’s electorate pretty well.
Is that my ideal? No. But Cantwell is much better than the alternative. Do you seriously think McGavick is going to be any better on trade issues?
If you answer that question no, then your choice (at least in the general election) is to vote Cantwell or vote Green. I’d consider doing the latter it I respected Dixon, but I think he is a particularly unqualified candidate (who will set the Greens back years in credibility). I also don’t want the Democrats to lose any more votes in the Senate.
Tran has no hope of winning the primary. Some may wish to cast a protest vote for her. That sounds reasonable to me. I’m not, because I don’t want to feed the Republican meme that Cantwell is vulnerable. If she had a solid lead I would consider a protest vote.
Now, apparently you don’t agree with this logic. But can you at least respect the fact that there is one?
Cheap-labor conservatives don’t like social spending or our ‘afety net’ … (b)ecause when you’re unemployed and desperate, corporations can pay you … next to nothing … they want you ‘over a barrel’ and in a position to ‘work cheap or starve’. “Cheap-labor conservatives don’t like the minimum wage, or other improvements in wages and working conditions … (they)
have hated Social Security and Medicare since their inception … (they) like budget deficits and a huge national debt (because) a bankrupt government has a harder time doing any ’social spending’
Commentby Roger Rabbit [……………………………………………………………………………Karl Marx, or Fidel, or Kim Il Jong couldn’t have said it better!!!]
Ya gotta really admire the bravery and courage of these terroist moooslims. Imagine how this guy musta felt knowing that he was walking into a building full of unarmed women. I’m sure he was trembling with fear as he did it. Regardless of whether you sympathize with their goals or not, you gotta admit they sure got big brass ones to pull of a risky assault like this.
That sounds logical to me Green. I am going to vote for Tran to as a protest vote. I think Hong could win. But I want to send a clear message to Cantwell she had better start being a democrat and stop siding with the big corporation agent’s the working people of Washington. And I am kind of tired of Democrats wooing the republicans base and ignoring there own base. But I will vote for Maria if she wins the primary because like you sead it is important to hold on to the seat. But I really don’t think any one is going to vote republican. And I think if Tran Hong wins she would win the main election to just as well as Cantwell maybe even better then she could. She would really energize the base of the party and I think excite moderates as well. She would be our first Asian Senator in the St. I don’t know about in the senates history. Any ways I think she would do just as well. http://www.hongtran.com/
Socialist – I admire your decision to “protest” mizz Cantwell. She certainly is not enough of a democrat to meet your moonbat standards. I would encourage ALL THE MOONBATS here to join Socialist to send a message to her.
MTR, why would any “moonbat” listen to you? You’re the guy who proposes that we exterminate all of the world’s muslims. You’re the guy who argues that global warming doesn’t exist using a hilariously inane chi square analysis. You’re the guy who has never, ever admitted to having been wrong about anything.
In short, you’re the archetypal modern-day fascist wanna be. Why on earth would anyone but fellow fascists pay the slightest attention to you?
Thanks Mark I would encourage them to as well :-)
Here is what I am studying right now if anyone would like to check it out . I find it very interesting it is like Marx is writing about today . But he wrote this in 1859 . It really helps you under stand what the Big corporations goals are and how they really think .
http://www.marxists.org/archiv...../index.htm
Mr. Socialist, out of curiosity, what do you think about Mark the Redneck’s viewpoint expressed below?
“Thumb – I appreciate the fact that you have picked up on the need to exterminate the cancer of isfuckinglam from the world. While the timing may not be quite right yet…the day will come. Perhaps when these raghead assfuckingholes fire SAMs at commercial airplanes and blow up innocent people, or maybe when they walk into your neighborhood grocery store and blow up everyone in the produce section, maybe fucking idiots like you will start to see the light. Until then, please continue to get the word out.
“And to be clear, this includes every fucking one of them. Every man, woman and child. Every man who is a terrorist, every woman who would breed terrorists, and every child that would grow up to be a terrorist or terrorist breeder.
“And don’t tell me that bullshit about ‘the religion of peace’. Don’t tell me the bullshit about islam being hijacked by extremists. If that’s the case, then I want to see the ‘moderates’ block I-5 once a week with a ‘not in our name’ protest. I want to see non stop commercials on TV saying ‘this shit isn’t us’. I want to hear stuff on the radio that they reject terror. So far, I haven’t heard shit from them. So until I do, I’m gonna assume that they support it.”
Commentby Mark The Redneck— 4/8/06@ 3:47 pm
As a point of context, MTR’s missive repasted in No. 27 was a response to my “Are you serious?” queries after he originally posted the following:
“There are 6 billion people in the world. 2 billion of them are muslim. That means that all the rest of need to pair up and kill one of them. When we all do that, the problem will be solved. And it really is like a cancer… you hafta get every trace of it… every cell, or it will come out of remission with a vengeance. This also solves the global population problem you guys are so worried about, so we kill two birds with one stone.”
Commentby Mark The Redneck— 12/17/05@ 8:51 pm
So let me ask all you “conservatives” point blank: Is there any one out there who is willing to disagree with MTR’s modest proposal? If the answer is silence, perhaps we should assume that either 1) you agree with MTR, or 2) you’re too weak-kneed to speak up.
Remember what happened the last time when people didn’t speak up?
GT – When you get notified of the “Not In Our Name” march where the “moderate mooslims” will close I-5 in downtown Seattle and condemn this latest action… can you let us know? I will join them.
When the real mooslims start hanging signs on freeway overpasses which condemn terrorism and the shooting of innocent pregnant women, can you let me know? I will join them to condemn the extremsits.
Also, when you see or hear the ads on TV or radio proclaiming that “The Religion of Peace” has been hijacked by extremists, can you let me know? I will give them money to get their message out.
When the mosques open up to Christians to form a brotherhood of peace… can you let me know? I will go to mosque and join them.
I know you didn’t ask for my opinion, but: Mark the Retarded Redneck always bring such an elevated level of sensibilities to the discussion, whether it is promoting savagery or the proper etiquette for welshing on your debts. . . . .
GT – Give us an answer. Did Dayna Klein “have it coming”? She’s the pregnant woman who was shot by this raghead of “The Religion of Peace”.
Anything other than “Yes” or “No” will be interpreted as “YES ! ! “.
Exactly what big corporations were in existance in 1859? If they didn’t exist – Was Marx really Nostradamus?
Just for my information, are there any other pregnant women who you moonbats think should be shot?
Just wondering…
Thanks Mark I would encourage them to as well
Commentby The Socialist [………I agree with “The Socialist”! Democrats should vote third party!! hehe, JCH]
35 – just for my information – when are your going to salvage your “moral character” and honor the bet you made with Goldy?
The bet that you lost by the way. How can you live with yourself?
Muslims are NOT the problem, radical fundamentalist Muslims are the problem. As with any extreme, the extremist Muslims are very dangerous to any sane society.
Radical right wing Nazi’s are dangerous as are extremist left wing socialists.
Now, how many years is the shooter going to get and how many of you really think he’s just sick and needs some psychological help and then you think he’s fine back on the streets of Seattle?
The gathering for the Eid ul-Fitr at freeway park each year is easily large enough to peacefully shut down I-5 but that would not be fitting or in harmony with that celebration.
It does celebrate achieving greater piety and a greater desire to achieve peace. I have always found the participants to be serious, reliqious, and peace loving practitioners of Islam, who will attempt to answer any respectful questions.
If you are a true Person of the Book (a devout and practicing Christian or Jew) and are repectful of Islamic customs, you could participate in an Islamic Prayer Service. People of the Book are treated as a special category.
In Islamic countries under Sharia law, People of the Book are accorded certain rights, and certain responsibilities
as Dhimmis. It is this status which can be, and often is exploited by our military personnel in Iraq and Pakistan to further community development and aid programs. However, if you are not a devout Christian or Jew, or are not repectful of Islamic culture, you will not be accorded this status.
Mark the Redneck @ 34
“Just for my information, are there any other pregnant women who you moonbats think should be shot?”
So…Mark the Thieving Redneck…is your current girlfriend pregnant?
Oh…wait…human–horse hybrids aren’t viable. Nevermind.
I’d like to read the Reddick’s multi-volume work on reconciling bet-welshing with high moral character.
That I’ve got to see.
Say,dj. how would I route an e-mail to you at Hominid Views?
janet S why don’t you eat yourself out? Do you ever get tired of running that cum stained mouth of yours?
Commentby LeftTurn […………………………………………………….Er, Left Turn, Big talk to a girl.]
Er, JCH, how can you talk to ANYONE about human decency?
Oh, I forgot. You’ve got God on your side, and that justified anything.
Hey GT – Answer the fucking question @32. Did Dayna Klein “have it coming”?
We really want to know….
And do you still support the ragheads behind this:?
http://www.september-11th.us/media/jumpers.mpg
http://www.september-11th.us/media/jumpers2.mpg
Hey, nimrod! GWB is still holding hands with the Saudis. Eighteen of those hijackers were Saudi. WTF?
I know you don’t do nuance, just like you don’t pay your debts, but the problem is with Wahabi-ist cultists.
#27
Mark is an imbecile and typical of rank and file republicans . When your only tool is a hammer every problems look like a nail . I think that sums it up nicely .
The report says Gibson then launched into a barrage of anti-Semitic statements: “F*****g Jews… The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world.” Gibson then asked the deputy, “Are you a Jew?” [……………………………………………OK……Why is it bad for Mel Gibson to call a cop a “Fucking Jew”, but it’s OK for Hillary to call Dick Morris a “Fucking Jew Bastard”? Goldy?………. Bueller?………… Frye?……….. Anyone?
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Exactly what big corporations were in existance in 1859? If they didn’t exist – Was Marx really Nostradamus?
Comment by sgmmac — 7/29/06 @ 5:21 pm
Um the big rail companies, the big textile industry that yous to employ woman and children for 14 hours a day 7 days a week .
And many other’s, haven’t you ever herd of J.P. Morgan dip shit or John Rockefeller of standard oil
I wasn’t even going to reply to this it was so FUCKING STUPID!!!
Hillery is a republican butt breath. She is a total DINO demarcate in name only . That goes for bill to Clinton was the best moderate republican president we ever had .
And there is no way in HELL Hillary is going to be president.!!!
49, “The Socialist”, I know that is you, GBS!!!!!!
REP Pat Kennedy [D-Bitchslap the Black Security Guard At LAX]
you need to take your meds or something you seam to think im about 4 or 5 different people a day.
I don’t consider those tiny corporations bad or evil. Those corporations as you call them were hardly the big ugly monsters that people today consider the epitome of bad. I find it interesting that someone would seriously consider socialism. Where has it worked effectively? What is life like in a socialist country? Cubans have been defecting and fleeing their country for years. Is Chile wonderful? Was Russia wonderful under Lenin?
You can follow his (Marx)teachings and be all the rave as a pretend socialist that you wanna be. Just stay the fuck away from money and my property, it’s mine, it’s not yours to give away to someone else. I pay more than my fair share in taxes, thank you.
Socialism will NEVER happen in this country. There are way too many toys for us to enjoy with our capitalistic materialistic hearts. I want my cell phone, my house in the burbs, my truck, my computer, my MLB baseball games everyday on DirectTV, and every other lazy invention that I can enjoy and relax with. I especially like my IRobot Roomba vacuum cleaner. So go work on a farm somewhere and give all YOUR possessions and wealth away, just leave me and mine alone.
Hillary is a Democrat – a hard left wing Democrat. Don’t let her recent activity fool you, let her become President and you will see your socialist medicine……….
You really don’t know anything about histery do you. here watch this vidio and then get back to me http://video.google.com/videos.....ey+masters
History lesson for The Socialist (from comment #22, where he extolled Hong Tran with “She would be our first Asian Senator in the St. I don’t know about in the senates history.”:
As many Asian-Americans have served in the US Senate as African-Americans … five. Two of them are serving right now.
Of the five, four were/are from Hawaii. Hiram Fong (1959-1977) was one of the state’s initial pair of Senators, and that seat has never been held by anyone except an Asian-American, as he has been succeeded by Spark Matsunaga (1977-1990) and Daniel Akaka (1990- ). The other Senate seat from Hawaii is held by WWII hero Daniel Inouye (1963- ). The only non-Hawaiian Asian Senator is also the only non-Democrat in the bunch — S.I. Hayakawa (1977-1983) of California.
Akaka is in a tough primary fight this year, facing Congressman Ed Case. Whichever of the two wins the primary will win the general; Hawaii is very, very blue.
If Hong Tran won the primary and was elected in November (each of those conditions has a vanishingly-small probability, and their joint probability is {vanishingly-small}-squared), she would be the first female Asian-American Senator. Don’t bet the house on it.
thanks that was informative and I agree she probably wont win the primary. But I am still going to vote for her . And I will vote for Maria in the general election .
Watch those video’s if you haven’t ever seen them before there very good . The Money Master
Sorry, Socialist!
I am not interested in any type of socialism. I enjoy capitalism, thank you. I suspect – you do too!
I certainly had the chance to go live in a commune when I was in high school and it was the rage for us hippie generation kids. But I didn’t want any part of it then, or now.
58, Liberal Democrat: Socialist [not a lot of difference]
Tree Frog Farmer @ 41
“Say,dj. how would I route an e-mail to you at Hominid Views? “
Send your email address through Goldy at horsesass dot or or Darryl at hominidviews dot com, and ask for forwarding service.
Notice how MTR continues to equate the killing of one woman with the extermination of an entire group of people. Also notice the abusive way that he presses his point (e.g., 44).
Simply put, MTR is a fascist. If he had been alive during Hitler’s time he would have eagerly joined the Nazis.
One of the most chilling parts of MTR’s diatribe is this sentence: “While the timing may not be quite right yet…the day will come.”
Of course, this isn’t as hair-raising as his refusal to pay up on his bet.
45
“And do you still support the ragheads behind this:?”
Hmmmm. Previously, on a recent episode of “Ask the Wingnut”, Dr. E asked the following:
“…explain how a 110-story structure then can implode under virtual freefall conditions as an ostensible result of burning jet fuel.”
To which the community received the following reply:
“Ummm I think it had something to do with ragheads flying airplanes into them. Seems like I heard that somewhere.”
Commentby Mark The Redneck— 7/29/06@ 9:09 am
Let’s think about that one for a minute: the question was essentially “how did y cause x”, and the answer was, basically, “because y caused x”.
Grade: F-
Now, as to the first question above (“And do you still support the ragheads behind this:?”), the answer is pretty simple: I would never, under any circumstances support any political organization that would commit such an egregious, heinous act of mass murder. The problem, however, is that the government has not in any way proved conclusively that it was exclusively a bunch of Arabs that committed this act. Once that is proven beyond any reasonable doubt, i’ll concede that point, but as it stands right now, there are so many holes in the “official” narrative that I could drive a fleet of 18-wheelers through it.
OK, Dr. E, Enlighten us! What dropped the Trade Towers? Did GWB plant C4 after he had “snuck” out of the White House? Did Newt help? Perhaps Ronald Reagan was involved? [BTW, I WILL be grading your dumb shit answer.]
E – Take a big hit off the bong, and then tell us who dun it. I can’t wait to hear your theory and you conclusive proof.
Green@19, Tran has no hope of winning the primary. Some may wish to cast a protest vote for her. That sounds reasonable to me. I’m not, because I don’t want to feed the Republican meme that Cantwell is vulnerable. If she had a solid lead I would consider a protest vote.
Now, apparently you don’t agree with this logic. But can you at least respect the fact that there is one?
Commentby Green Thumb— 7/29/06@ 3:37 pm
Sure, it’s a reasonable position if you just want any Dem; my point is that liberals claim to fight for workers, but when they actually have a chance to do so they find excuses to back a corporate Dem over a real liberal who walks the walk.
Why should Cantwell take liberals seriously if you won’t support one of your own; she’ll continue to take you for granted and just go for the corporate money like she’s been doing. Why not at least give Tran enough support so Cantwell takes notice, instead of just writing her off? It would do Cantwell good to find out that a significant portion of her base doesn’t buy the NAFTA and CAFTA crap.
You liberals don’t seem to understand that massive illegal immigration hurts American workers, but you do seem to understand that free trade with low wage countries like Mexico and slave-labor countries like China naturally results in outsourcing high-wage jobs so we end up with lower wages here. Why not tell Cantwell that in a way she’ll understand?
Just so you know, I’d love to support an anti-NAFTA/CAFTA Rep in the primary for the same reason. I don’t buy the idea that party unity is more important than principle; and primaries are a good way to tell incumbents (or essentially unchallenged candidates like McGavick) what we’re thinking in a language they understand, even if we do end up voting for them in the general.
“I can’t wait to hear your theory and you conclusive proof.”
You don’t get it, do you Mark? The gummint [sic] hasn’t offered conclusive proof, and they should be the ones in the position to offer such. Instead they obstructed the “investigations” of their so-called (basically) self-appointed commission. I’ve read all the publicly available evidence, and it just don’t make no sense. Have you read it all? Till then, I’m still waiting for an answer… go ‘head, it can’t be too hard for an engineer to explain how a single aircraft caused exactly that type (twice replicated) of cataclysmic failure. Impossible? Perhaps not, but implausible? Highly.
“What dropped the Trade Towers?”
Well, shit, Craig, I don’t know. Why do you think I’m asking the question? I’m not a structural engineer, and I’m not a GOP flunkie, either. I would think that either of the two would be in a better position to answer that question than would I–the former because they should have the breadth of knowledge to address the issue, and the latter because they claim to hold sole access to the “truth” in virtually all matters, this one included.
“You liberals don’t seem to understand that massive illegal immigration hurts American workers, but you do seem to understand that free trade with low wage countries like Mexico and slave-labor countries like China naturally results in outsourcing high-wage jobs so we end up with lower wages here. ”
Whoa!!!!! Republicans aren’t supposed to talk like that!!! Do you support this sort of “free-trade” globalization, or are you a “protectionist”? If I understand the GOP position correctly, you can’t have it both ways.
As far as Cantwell is concerned, in my view, she lost her right to call herself a Democrat the moment she voted for cloture during the Alito nomination proceedings. She of course took the measured position of then voting against him, but that vote was utterly meaningless, as she had already aided in the wholesale surrender of the minority position. She’s a spineless POS, in my view, to the extent which I would say that such a horrendously unprincipled vote might as well just erase any of the positive things she has done during her tenure.
With that said, however, those of us who actually have an interest in the preservation and furtherance of American democracy (i.e. liberals and progressives) are stuck with the highly uncomfortable position of taking a measured approach to reclaiming the republic from the anti-democratic cancer (the GOP/corporate governing complex) that is rapidly killing it by opposing all GOP candidates, regardless of whom the Dems put forward for a candidate. The alternative would be to seek to defeat faux Democrats by voting for actual Democrats with real democratic principles, thereby installing GOP opponents, in the hope that the DLC would eventually see the error of their ways and listen to the real democratic base.
You GOPers have it easy: you only need tow the official, superficial, feel-good line, without having to understand the actual agenda; you can pretty much rest assured that the pretty much any one GOP candidate will offer essentially the same anti-democratic princilples as the next one.
“single aircraft caused exactly that type (twice replicated) of cataclysmic failure. Impossible? Perhaps not, but implausible? Highly.”
It certainly isn’t implausible, it very logical. Those buildings were not designed to withstand a huge Boeing 757 full of fuel slamming into them. If you watch the video’s carefully, you see the plane slam into the building and then fire erupt on the opposite side of the building.
Those planes were instantly turned into bombs on impact. The impact, the fire, the intense heat all contributed to the steel and concrete collapsing on itself.
You GOPers have it easy: you only need tow the official, superficial, feel-good line, without having to understand the actual agenda; you can pretty much rest assured that the pretty much any one GOP candidate will offer essentially the same anti-democratic princilples as the next one.
Commentby Dr. E— 7/29/06@ 11:27 pm
I appreciate your analysis of the GOP but I’m still hoping that you’ll tell us what really caused the twin towers to fall. I know you wouldn’t just talk out of your ass and tell us that tons of burning jet fuel couldn’t cause the structural failure without evidence of some other cause, so you really don’t need to be coy with us; you know more than you are saying, and we can take the truth.
Remember what happened the last time when people didn’t speak up?
Commentby Green Thumb— 7/29/06@ 5:14 pm
Yes, we had Seattle women shot by an Islamofascist.
3#65
I heartily agree with your points. Alito is the main reason I am not voting for cantwell in the primary . But cafta was my next in line problem with her.
I could fix the illegal immigrant. Issue in about 5 minutes. Fine the employers 100,000.00 dollars for each illegal’s there are caught with and a year in jail for each one there caught imploying . Strengthen unions to keep illegal out . And fine privet imployers 5,000.00 dollar for hiring an illegal to cut there lawn or what ever. And there would be 7 million illegal fighting to get back across the border in a matter of months.
Ah but you ask who will pick all our fruits and vegetables. Very simple allow the farm workers union to give seasonal working visa’s to Mexican farm workers to come over and pick and then go back after there done. With the protection of the unions and I think that would work very well.
No 71:
Remember what happened the last time when people didn’t speak up?
Commentby Green Thumb— 7/29/06@ 5:14 pm
Yes, we had Seattle women shot by an Islamofascist.
Commentby americafirst— 7/30/06@ 12:34 am
Americafirst, are you equating the death of one woman with the systematic extermination of six million people by a government? MTR is proposing that every single Muslim on the planet be killed. He’s not joking. When pressed, he makes the same moral equivalency that you just did. Are you saying that you agree with him? Do you even believe that the Holocaust happened?
“It certainly isn’t implausible, it very logical.”
Mac, you need to educate yourself a little bit. The opinions of numerous scholars runs directly contrary to what you’ve asserted. Let me give you a nutshell synopsis: assuming that jet fuel actually could have melted the steel core of the building (highly improbable, due to the insufficient temperature generated) and a structural failure resulting in the so-called “pancake” theory (i.e. one floor collapsing onto the one below, with each successive floor failing under the weight crushing down from above, that type of process would have taken much longer than 11 or 12 seconds. This is precisely what the 9/11 commission failed to explain, and what an expanding body of scholars are still struggling to understand.
You might want to start with David Ray Griffin’s two excellent books on the matter. You don’t have to agree with the premise, and he doesn’t (at least in his first book on the matter) draw one absolute conclusion; instead, he catalogues the evidence for the reader to decide.
Like has been said many times in the past: you can have your own opinion on the mattter, but you can’t have your own set of facts.
“I know you wouldn’t just talk out of your ass and tell us that tons of burning jet fuel couldn’t cause the structural failure without evidence of some other cause, so you really don’t need to be coy with us; you know more than you are saying, and we can take the truth.”
You don’t get it, do you? Who do you think would be most in the position to know, the government, or some patheticallly well-informed “librul” college professor? Unforturnately, while scholars are motivated by the quest for knowledge, the government is motivated by the suppression of documents and other information crucial to the most complete acquisition of such knowledge.
But no, I’m not talking out of my ass. Do a little research — and I’d encourage you to put sources other than right-wing websites into your reading material for a better overall picture (I’ve read attempts at refutation made by right-wing websites, and they’re not too convincing, in my opinion or in that of most of my colleagues). Again, the books I mentioned above are about as good a starting point as any.
“What dropped the Trade Towers?”
Well, shit, Craig, I don’t know. Why do you think I’m asking the question? I’m not a structural engineer, and I’m not a GOP flunkie, either. I would think that either of the two would be in a better position to answer that question than would I–the former because they should have the breadth of knowledge to address the issue, and the latter because they claim to hold sole access to the “truth” in virtually all matters, this one included.
Commentby Dr. E […………….F minus……..Did not answer the question. Repeat 4th grade.]
Dr E, Too much bull shit. Not enough facts. Another F minus. [Don’t worry, you probably will still keep your NEA union job.]
The Socialist, Why not have the Democrat welfare and food stamp hacks pick the apples?
Dr E.
Stop looking for a conspiracy where there is none. It’s a waste of your time.
The steel structure was severely comprimised by the IMPACT of the 757 slamming into it at over 500 MPH. Thousands of gallons of Jet fuel exploded inside of the building.
Steel does melt. Concrete is made of sand, gravel and cement. Cement works because of the chemical reactions. Concrete disintegrates by impact and by extremely high temperatures.
Unless the writer of your book is a structural engineer with years of expierence in structures, physics, chemistry and explosives, his book isn’t worth reading. I am sure it is making him a small fortune with sales to all of the liberals who are looking under every rock in the solar system to find a conspiracy to link to President Bush.
Give it a rest.
Mac, you need to understand that the official narrative as offered by the government is a conspiracy theory. The author of the books I have mentioned is not a structural engineer, he’s a theologist (gasp!), but among his sources are the aforementioned physicists and structural engineers — scholars in such disciplines are actively engaged in investigating the implausibility of the widely accepted 9/11 narrative. Just google “scholars for 9/11” and click through to the first half-dozen links or so. The central argument made by many such scholars is that the structures were not compromised in such a way as to have triggered — in both cases — a symmetrical implosion.
Do some reading. It ain’t a tin-foil hat position these people are taking. They’re scholars.
Americafirst, are you equating the death of one woman with the systematic extermination of six million people by a government? MTR is proposing that every single Muslim on the planet be killed. He’s not joking. When pressed, he makes the same moral equivalency that you just did. Are you saying that you agree with him? Do you even believe that the Holocaust happened?
Commentby Green Thumb— 7/30/06@ 7:04 am
Try to focus,Green,can you see any comparison between Nazi genocide and Islamofascist genocide. Do you even believe that 911 and the bombings in England, Spain and India happened?
But no, I’m not talking out of my ass. Do a little research – and I’d encourage you to put sources other than right-wing websites into your reading material for a better overall picture (I’ve read attempts at refutation made by right-wing websites, and they’re not too convincing, in my opinion or in that of most of my colleagues). Again, the books I mentioned above are about as good a starting point as any.
Commentby Dr. E— 7/30/06@ 9:21 am
It’s clear that you don’t have the slightest idea of any reasonable alternative explanation for the twin towers other than the obvious one that the burning jet fuel was hot enough to cause structural failure. You evade the question of what really caused it in every post you make. Just go ahead and admit that you think Bush did it and get it over with.
It’s already obvious that you are a moonbat conspiracy theorist, so why not have the guts to say what you really think caused it; you’ll probably feel better getting it off your chest.
Americafirst, I’ve never said any of the terrorist attacks didn’t happen. I’ve never condoned them in any way, shape or form. What I’m trying to figure out is whether you think these justify the wholesale extermination of ALL muslims on the planet.
That’s a very simple question, really. Why are you having trouble with it?
“It’s clear that you don’t have the slightest idea of any reasonable alternative explanation for the twin towers other than the obvious one that the burning jet fuel was hot enough to cause structural failure.”
Really? Is that clear? That’s funny, because, not only do I have far more than the slightest idea of alternative explanations, I also have far more than the slightest idea of their refutations. I could go on at length here, but I feel that my words are falling on eyes that are impervious to opposing views.
You know, Thomas Jefferson once said (and I’m paraphrasing) that a nation that wants to be both ignorant and free is wishing for something that never existed nor never will exist. This is precisely my problem with the vast majority of right-wingers in this country, and probably 95% of the wingers on this board: they are unwilling to consider viewpoints that may challenge their world view, radically or otherwise. They are often unwilling to admit the possibility of the existence of such viewpoints, and when confronted with such, they dismiss them forthwith. Such dismissal bespeaks of a vast and hideously willful ignorance formed of blind allegiance to ideology that truly imperils the future of this democracy.
I, for one, am more than welcome to be challenged by right-wing views that would radically alter my views, provided they are logical and credible. As for this particular topic, I have neither seen nor read such viewpoints. If you have any, go ahead and fire away.
Americafirst, I’ve never said any of the terrorist attacks didn’t happen. I’ve never condoned them in any way, shape or form. What I’m trying to figure out is whether you think these justify the wholesale extermination of ALL muslims on the planet.
That’s a very simple question, really. Why are you having trouble with it?
Commentby Green Thumb— 7/30/06@ 3:32 pm
Green, I’m not quite ready to answer your absurd question because I’m waiting to see if you can point to anything I’ve said which even remotely suggests that I’m calling for “the wholesale extermination of ALL muslims on the planet.”
I’m happy to have a rational discussion with you, but putting absurd words in my mouth is not my idea of a rational discussion. I copy the specific language you use; show me where I said anything resembling a call for “the wholesale extermination of ALL muslims on the planet.” You are simply making a silly strawman argument.
It’s clear that you don’t have the slightest idea of any reasonable alternative explanation for the twin towers other than the obvious one that the burning jet fuel was hot enough to cause structural failure. You evade the question of what really caused it in every post you make. Just go ahead and admit that you think Bush did it and get it over with.
Really? Is that clear? That’s funny, because, not only do I have far more than the slightest idea of alternative explanations, I also have far more than the slightest idea of their refutations. I could go on at length here, but I feel that my words are falling on eyes that are impervious to opposing views.
Commentby Dr. E— 7/30/06@ 4:23 pm
Yes,E,it’s quite clear. You keep evading the question. You are a moonbat who thinks Bush did it.
AmericaFirst, it is not an absurd question. One of the most prominent conservatives who participates on this blog has strongly and consistently advocated for the extermination of all muslims. He argues that it is only a matter of time before this will be done.
I didn’t accuse you of saying this. I’m simply asking whether you agree with MTR’s proposal. After all, I’ve never seen you or any other conservative take the initiative to speak out against MTR when he has offered this view. So I’m just curious as to whether this silence reflects agreement or whether you feel like you need to present a united front at HA.
So the question: Do you agree with MTR’s proposal? If so, why? If not, why not?
88
“Yes,E,it’s quite clear. You keep evading the question. You are a moonbat who thinks Bush did it.”
Hate to nitpick with you, but I’ve scanned your previous posts and you asked precisely zero questions of me. There having been no question asked, I’m not evading anything. Want to ask me a direct question? Go ahead, I’ll answer as honestly and straightforwardly as possible. And, you can keep spouting your ad hominems to no effect; “moonbat” is (in my view) a pretty useless epithet based on the last name of a Guardian columnist that most of its users have never read. I could easily call Republicans “Nazis”, and that would be more befitting, since the GOP’s tactics since 2001 have a pretty spooky parallel to Hitler’s ascendance to and consolidation of power. But, aside from blowing off steam and delivering an insult, it serves no purpose in a rational debate. Right?
So, let me try to engage you one last time with a direct question:
Since you’ve suggested that I think that Bush “did it”, do you think it is impossible for the government to have been involved to some extent (directly or indirectly) in perpetrating, facilitating, or enabling (through negligence, for instance) events of 9/11?
A simple yes or no answer is all that’s necessary.
Green @88-The answer is no, and if you don’t know why the answer is no you are more f’d up than I thought. You make a typically lib strawman argument without any basis in my prior statements.
89–You have been asked many times what caused the towers to fall and you never answer, you just ask more questions. I think moonbat is pretty mild for this blog, but if it bothers you I’ll just call you a conspiracy theorist and let it go at that.
AmericaFirst, it’s pretty funny how you choose to not read the context of my question despite my repeated explanations. It’s also fascinating how you conservatives will allow your colleagues to continually say the most outrageous things without a peep. When I attempt to get a simple answer as to whether you agree with such outrageous statements and virtually all of you hemmed and hawed before giving what should be a pretty simple answer.
And, of course, you have to attack the questioner along the way. I’m the one who is fucked up. May I suggest to you that something is wrong with modern conservatism if the call for a Holocaust against muslims could get this far on HA without people like you saying a word, and only then when pressed.
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Hey, go right ahead and call me a conspiracy theorist. That’s precisely what you are as well, if you ascribe to the official (government) conspiracy theory. What do I think caused the collapse? I don’t know, because there has not been sufficient investigation. (I think I’ve been pretty clear on that matter, not evasive.) The physical evidence, in the opinion of many scholars who have studied the matter, suggests a controlled demolition.
So, now that you should hopefully have an unequivocal answer, let me reask my question of you (just slightly rephrased, but still a yes/no answer will suffice:
Do you think it is possible for the government to have been involved to some extent (directly or indirectly) in perpetrating, facilitating, or enabling (through negligence, for instance) events of 9/11?
92- Who appointed me censor of this blog? If you want to enforce political correctness here I suggest you look at the following:
Leave it to the Christians. Hey, aren’t most (if not all) the right wing, whackjob, inbred, cowardly, chickenhawk, idiot, batshit crazy baby-raping republicans on this board Christians? Hey, you all have something in common with the shooter at the Jewish Center. Isn’t that special?
Commentby LeftTurn— 7/30/06@ 1:39 pm
93-The physical evidence, in the opinion of many scholars who have studied the matter, suggests a controlled demolition.
Commentby Dr. E— 7/30/06@ 7:23 pm
You call that an unequivocal answer? What physical evidence? If there is physical evidence tell us what it is. If you want to be taken seriously tell us your opinion, not the “opinion of many scholars who have studied the matter.”