by Goldy, 09/27/2005, 8:40 AM

I logged on this morning to find a huge spike in traffic, and apparently the thanks goes to former International Arabian Horse Association Commissioner of Judges and Stewards FEMA director Mike Brown. He’s currently giving live testimony before a congressional committee (synopsis: “It’s not my fault”), and I’m told he actually gave HorsesAss.org credit for breaking the story about his inadequate resume.

Thanks for the on-air plug, Mike!

I suppose he thought that the domain name would discredit the information, but the facts are basically as I originally presented them: his immediate job experience prior to joining FEMA was a decade of regulating horse show judges for the IAHA, and subsequent investigation by both me and the MSM makes it pretty damn clear that he did indeed resign under pressure.

Further investigation by the MSM also revealed that his already thin resume was intentionally padded, and that he was just as unqualified to serve as FEMA’s general counsel (his first job at the agency) as he was to serve as its director. The guy simply was not qualified for the job.

That said, listening to Brown’s testimony, I think he’s saying something very important… something that speaks to the broader ideology of the Bush administration. He’s not just blaming the state and local authorities for the chaos in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina… he keeps repeating that various rescue and relief operations are not and should not be the responsibility of the federal government.

Uh-huh.

In response, I would just like to point out that the whole purpose of having a Federal Emergency Management Agency is to deal with regional events that are so catastrophic that state and local agencies are unable to respond. If we can’t expect that from our federal government, I wonder what purpose the Union serves?

[Cross-posted to Daily Kos]

UPDATE:
Think Progress has the transcript of Brown’s kind words:

Ironically, it started with an organization called horsesass.org, that on some blog published a false, and, frankly, in my opinion, defamatory statement that the media just continued to repeat over and over.

What a putz.

142 Responses to “Thank you Mr. Brown…”

1. Calvin spews:

This is fascinating – I never dreamed there would be such fur flying!

I loved the exchange with (Sheas?) about ‘what is coordination’ !!

This is going off the rails quick for the ReThuglicans

2. Janet S spews:

I guess I missed that part in the Constitution that says the Federal Govt is supposed to take over all actions in an emergency. If Bush had sent in the troops over the protest of Governor Blanco, you all would be calling for his impeachment for abuse of power and violation of the posse comitatas rule.

Brown was in over his head, but that doesn’t excuse the behavior of the Blanco and Ray Nagin. They are the front line in disasters, and they failed miserably at it. Their actions contributed directly to the disaster. Preventing food and water to be delivered, forbidding the Red Cross and other relief agencies to enter the city, failing to evacuate the most vulnerable of citizens – these are avoidable errors.

This is important because it addresses where we are going in the next disaster. People need to wise up and be prepared to live on their own for 3-4 days. I haven’t heard any more about Gregoire’s hearings to see how well prepared we are here, but it will be interesting to see the plans. I wonder if it involves throwing up her hands and crying because the circumstances are just to overwhelming.

3. 1000 SupportTheTroops magnets spews:

Hold on — everybody knows the purpose of the US National Guard — to fight international wars! Obviously, that’s the reason President Bush joined.

FEMA is simply a waste of time and money — FEMA belongs in Iraq, where it could do some real help, and get the National Guard support they need.

4. Thomas Trainwinder spews:

Regardless of this “success” — PLEASE change your site name to increase credibility. Just yesterday I gave it out and was met with an immediate reaction of “can’t be credible”. I had to spend 5 minutes explaining why it was.

Please make it easier for us.

5. NoWonder spews:

‘If we can’t expect that from our federal government, I wonder what purpose the Union serves?’

Finally, a lefty initiating a discussion over what role the Feds should have. Despite doing a dismal job fighting poverty, the health care “crisis”, and a myriad of other items, the left still wants the big brother to attend to the nanny state. History has shown that if the Feds try to fix something the problem only gets worse.

Goldy – In searching for an answer to your question I suggest starting with the Constitution.

6. windie spews:

Still layin’ that smokescreen, eh Janet?

Nothing that Blanco or Nagin did can hide the huge mountain of fault that lies with the administration in this. YOu can keep trying, but people aren’t buying it anymore.

7. NoWonder spews:

Thomas Trainwinder @ 4

‘PLEASE change your site name…’

No, please leave it as is. If you must change it to better reflect what supporters espouse how about:

rehashtriedandprovenfailedpolicies.com
or
IfYouCannotSayItOnAT-shirtTheDemsWillNotDoIt.com
or
targetpracticeforrighties.com
or
selectivequotesthatsupportmyideology.com

You get the drift.

8. NoWonder spews:

windie @ 6

‘YOu can keep trying, but people aren’t buying it anymore.’

Are you aware of some polls or other data that support what you are saying? Everything I have seen shows increasing positives for the Feds regarding Katrina, due in no small part to the $60 billion already flowing.

If the left is not careful the repubs will get all the credit for the gigantic slush fund working its way to NO, and scheduled to continue for years to come. LA may become a true red state within a year or two.

9. Janet S spews:

I’m not excusing FEMA. I have repeatedly said that Brown was in over his head, and actions taken by them were poorly done or just just made things worse. The same can not be said of the military. They did an exemplary job of rescue, security, and general management. The initial confusion didn’t stop the the Coast Guard from saving thousands from roof tops.

So, I’ve admitted FEMA didn’t work. When will you admit that the local guys screwed up?

10. Libertarian spews:

OK, Daily Kos, I’ll bite: what puroose DOES the Union serve?

11. Blogenfreude spews:

Actually, Brownie said “horsesass.COM,” but apparently people found you anyway ….

12. windie spews:

@8 if people are shortsighted enough that ‘free money’ (or the illusion thereof) will make them forget the massive incompetence of the Bushies, then thats bad news for all of us.

Janet@9 I’m willing to admit that mistakes were made at the state and local level– BUT: It shouldn’t be even coming up right now. I’m so sick of the Administration (and the rightie troll’s) “But the Democrats…!” rhetoric, I could puke.

We should be focused on fixing FEMA, not wasting time on people covering their (or the Administrations’) asses. The Blanco red herring gets directly in the way of this goal.

13. wes in wa spews:

Congrats on the notoriety — but isn’t “false and defamatory” some kind of prelude to his suing you?

A thought: maybe he thought the name of the blog was all about him — especially with the Arabians connection.

15. AvengingAngel spews:

Don’t forget that that horse’s ass Michael Brown helped George W. Bush carry hurricane-ravaged Florida in 2004.

For the details, see:

“FEMA: Florida Election Management Agency”

16. rujax206 spews:

You ARE the man, Goldy!

And we always need to remember the important lesson:

The lies will ALWAYS come back to haunt them. Even when there is seemingly NO ONE more adept than they…and their minions, and their lapdog paid-off press at the spin, the cover-up, the obfuscation…they just can’t stop somebody who knows somebody who knows something and can get it out.

The truth WILL be told. This emperor’s clothes ARE missing.

Thanks again Goldy, GREAT JOB.

17. Douglas spews:

I emailed Mike Brown after he repeatedly lied for the second day in a row, on the third day of the disaster on all the major news networks (Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, etc.). He lied about that there was food and water on the ground in New Orleans when clearly the people hadn’t yet received any food or water. The people were starving and dying because of his blatant stupidity and lack of character! In my email I told Mike Brown that he needs to stop the lies and come clean with the American people or he will be facing a Senate subcommittee. He never did that and here we are. I think if Mike Brown is found guilty of severe incompetence, he should be federally indited for all the people that died in the New Orleans convention center and the dome just before the evacuation. That way he’ll have a lot of time think about what he did wrong. I agree, what a putz!

18. Mr. Cynical spews:

Thomas @ 4
If Goldy were to change his name from HorsesAss.org to HorsesDick.org, I’m sure that would help.
OR possibly change it to GOLDY.org???
How about something like THEPARTIALTRUTH.org
That would be quite accurate.

19. Dan B spews:

“I’m told he actually gave HorsesAss.org credit”

That must be horrible… “I was exposed by a horse’s ass up in the other Washington…” Somebody, please give that man a tanto.

20. proud leftist spews:

The Bush Administration’s record of sticking political hacks into important government positions, positions with direct impact on people’s lives, is appalling. The cronyism and incompetence that mark Bush’s appointments makes us look like a Third World nation. Throw in the corruption of Republican party leaders–let’s see, Frist, DeLay, Rove all under federal investigation–and our government starts to look like that of Sierra Leone or Paraguay. These people truly have no shame. There should be a bounty on them.

21. Thomas Trainwinder spews:

Mr. C @ 18:

Ah…your suggestion brings back memories: http://yesrick.com/rh21897.htm

22. Mr. Cynical spews:

Thomas@20—
Good one!!!
The truth, the partial truth and nothing but the partial truth!!
Great motto for Goldy.
Goldy seems to prove it everyday!

23. Janet S spews:

This site seems to have an obsession about Michael Brown. It is as if he is the FIRST bureaucrat that ever messed up and got fired. Just because he wasn’t a strong leader doesn’t mean he is wrong about what happened. Maybe you need to listen instead of getting all emotional about it.

By the way, where is the outrage about the NO police? Not only did they not show up for work, but they DID NOT EXIST! Good thing the focus is on FEMA, because if the light goes on the true culprits, many Louisianna officials will end up in jail.

24. Erik spews:

Nice scoop!

25. Janet S spews:

Any outrage over Chuck Schumer illegally getting the credit reports of potential Senate Republican candidates? Of course not. The lefties here are only horrified by Halliburton, and Bush, and Delay, and the evil monster Karl Rover. It is far easier to make up stuff than it is to acknowledge that dirty tricks are played by politicians on both sides. The only difference is that the Democrats cover up for their side.

26. GBS spews:

Ms Chickenhawk aka Mr. Cynical @ 19

Horses Dick! What?!? Do you live in fucking Enumclaw? You redneck coward!

27. Mr. Cynical spews:

Janet S–
Isn’t it amazing how the LEFTIST PINHEADS actually hoped that thousands of people died during Katrina???
Just like these same LEFTIST PINHEADS can hardly hide their joy and glee when another suicide bomber kills US Troops.
Now their poster-girl Mrs. Sheehan, has clearly fallen off the deepend….basking in her notoriety. Smiling and laughing during protests and her arrest. Her joy is evident in all the news filmclips. I thought she was a grieving mother?????
On the same page, the LEFTIST PINHEADS were all gleeful when tens of thousands of body bags went to New Orleans. The more dead, the better for these LEFTIST PINHEADS. Some were actually disappointed when it only turned out to be 800 or so. And they are more disappointed to find out that many of the 800 who died were told to leave and KNOWINGLY made the decision to stay in their homes. KNOWINGLY! Many stayed to protect their property again their neighborhood looter thugs. Others stayed because they simply did not believe the predictions.
In the final analysis, very few died because they wanted to responsibly get out and simply could not.
LEFTIST PINHEADS thrive on second-guessing disasters and jumping to conclusions. I hope their is a public assessment of each death so we will know the truth about why they did not leave earlier. Of course, the LEFTIST PINHEADS will never admit people being stubborn, wanting to protect their property or not taking personal action and responsibility actually happened here.

28. Mr. Cynical spews:

GBS@26–
Thank you for once again bringing up the idiot FROM SEATTLE who went to Enumclaw to get fucked to death by the horse!!!
The dead guy was from Seattle’s FREEMOUNT District!
Once again, you try to BRAND Enumclaw when the knuckleheaded pervert was from SEATTLE!!!
Get your facts dude.

29. Mr. Cynical spews:

GBS@26—
So lets see you come up with a scenario to blame Bush for some LEFTIST PINHEAD from Seattle going to Enumclaw, getting a horse aroused and then dropping his doors and inserting?????
Please try….I cannot wait for this one!

30. GBS spews:

Janet S. @ 24

Please shut up.

You’re making yourself look like a Horses ASS (aka Brownie). Your spewing information that is so wrong it doesn’t even qualify as an opinion.

You are truly a misinformed moron. Please leave, and don’t come back.

Other than your total bullshit, “you’re doing a heck job.”

31. egalia spews:

Thanks for the good work. I had to come over after Brownie gave you such a raving review. Or as he now refers to himself, ‘happy to be a scapegoat.’ Wasn’t there a horse named Happy, Dale Evans old horse, methinks.

32. Marion Delgado, White House Press Secretary-Designate spews:

Notice the neofascists are descending here.

You are doing the right thing – that’s the one unmistakable sign.

And all you lifeless, soulless dittobot ghouls – you’re the reason things like Stalin’s purges and the Terror under Robespierre not only happen, but are, in fact, wildly popular for a while.

As Mark Twain observed about the latter – no one mentions the years of slicing the poor and powerless to death with 1000 small and medium cuts, they only mention the reaction.

33. Douglas spews:

Mr. Cynical-
You are forgetting the fact that there we a lot of people that COULDN”T leave because of severe poverty. In New Orleans the median income was under $17,000/year which is definitely under the national poverty level. Over 50,000 people in that city DIDN’T owned a car so how were they supposed to leave? HMMMM??! It didn’t help when all of those school buses were left in the flood either. Check the facts Mr. Cynical before you start with all the name-calling. By the way before you call me too a “LEFTIST PINHEAD”, I am neither a Republican nor a Democrat. I am a Centrist Independent.

34. Donnageddon spews:

Mr. Irrelevant @ 29 “So lets see you come up with” a post that is not a non-sequitor

35. Jimmynap spews:

Oh Boy Goldy, the trolls are sure angry today…er… well they are pretty much angry all the time as best I can tell.

By the way, I think Horsesass.org is a perfect name. After all, it was Timmy Boy who was the original Horses Ass. Now it appears it is also Brown (and his association with horses doesn’t help the imagery). Heck, you could have the “Horses Ass of the Week” all year long and never run out of material under this administration.

Congrats on the exposure from Browneye. He truly doesn’t have a clue if he is telling people about your blog. What an idiot.

36. GBS spews:

Ms Chickenhawk (aka Mr. Cynical) @ 27:

You FUCKING Un-American pig. NO one is happy or gleeful when Americans die from completely mismanaged and poorly thought out policies of the Bush administration.

Well, except for cowards like you who, in the still of the night, lay in their urine stained twin mattress beds, with your GI Joe sheets, down in your mother’s basement, terrified of the dark so you turn on your Star Wars night light. All the while tears are streaming down your face and dribbling into your ears while you blow snot bubbles out of your nose as you suckle on your thumb. Thank God, you have Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reilly to keep you company in the middle of the night as you listen to their brainwashing shit, thinking up new ways to smear Gold Star Mothers.

I guess Pat Tillman’s mother must be on your radar screen. She’s cranking up her attack against this administration for the lies about her son’s death. But fuckers like you keep right on thinking everything is going “great.” You’re just being the Good German. Well, fuck you.

You fucking puke. Supporting this dysfunctional administration is NOT supporting our troops. To support Bush is to be against the best interest of our troops and our nation.

You pansy ass mother fucker, you’re all gung-ho as long as someone else does the fighting. You’re the worst kind of coward imaginable. You are the enemy within. The enemy in our midst. The enemy that must be purged from our society.

37. Jimmynap spews:

er…well…alot of people are angry. Lets put be on our best behavior for the national audience children…..

38. Janet S spews:

Are we really going to recycle the story about the poor not being able to get out of town? Did you happen to notice the lines of school buses leaving Houston BEFORE Rita hit? The evacuation plan called for getting 100,000 out of town by bus, by train, by whatever means in advance of the storm hitting. The fact that there are now hundreds of buses under water seems to me, at least, to indicate a failure by the Ray Nagin to execute the plan. Of course, it is a lot more fun and emotional to make up stories.

Be honest – many of them didn’t want to leave because they were waiting for their government checks in the mail.

39. Mark spews:

GBS @ 35: “NO one is happy or gleeful when Americans die from… policies of the Bush administration.”

Bullshit. Look at the gleam of self-satisfaction in Teddy K’s (and others Dems’) eyes when they talk about Iraq. They may not be happy that people died, but that is outweighted by their self-congratulatory “see, we were right” comments. THEY and all of you that support them ARE un-American. You all put politics ahead of people’s lives. Yes, it is callous when the GOP pols pass off fewer deaths as a good thing (though, in a way, it is). However, the true American thing — the truly patriotic thing — would be to hope and pray that you’re WRONG and that nobody dies. I hope the next time you’re abusing some poor farm animal, it rears up and kicks you in the groin.

40. GBS spews:

@ 36 Nahhhhh. . .

I want the national audience to see how the righty trolls defame Gold Star Mothers and get all giddy when someone like Larry Northerns runs over crosses with the names of fallen US soldiers on them.

I won’t let Ms Chickenhawk (aka Mr. Cynical) get away with it. His hate values against Gold Star Mothers who dare to speak out against this administration are more aligned with Osama Bin Laden than anything else.

I want people of America to see this scum bag for what he is: a coward.

The Iraq War will be a “noble cause” when we see the Bush twins in Sadr City dodging IED’s and bullets and wearing faulty body armor. Then, I’ll believe the bullshit Bush spews. And not one second before then.

41. Peter Manning spews:

Please change your website name. I agree with Thomas.

42. GBS spews:

@ 38

Don’t worry, I’ll take it easy on your mother. Even if she kicks me in the groin.

43. Mr. Cynical spews:

GBS–@35-
You consistently attack and misrepresent whenever someone who is RIGHT challenges you.
YOU claimed the LEFTIST PINHEAD who was fucked to death by the horse was from Enumclaw. FALSE!!!!
I have never said I support the Administration in IRAQ.
Certainly I don’t blindly support them!!!
My point is that Mrs. Sheehan is not a grieving mother….just look at her actions. She has morphed her son’s death into 15 minutes of fame. Just llok at her face during the protests, arrests etc. That is not a grieving mother. Why is Mrs. Sheehan always smiling and laughing????
Mrs. Tillman is a much different story. She is very sincere, reasonable and measured in her criticism of not getting the truth about her son’s death. That is WAY DIFFERENT than Mrs. Sheehan’s actions….WAY DIFFERENT.
I sincerely believe there are plenty of LEFTIST PINHEADS who find glee and joy in deaths in Iraq and hurricanes. They are FANATICAL HATERS who exploit tragedy for their political agenda’s. Are you one of them GBS???? Don’t even bother answering because it doesn’t matter what comes out of your mouth….it’s what you FEEL IN YOUR HEART that really matters.
Before you go to sleep tonight, do yourself a favor. Get down on your knees and ask God for a clean heart. Oh, you can fool us and type whatever…..but it is what is in your heart when you hear about these tragedies that matters.
Good luck GBS.

44. Josef, Formerly of Josef's Public Journal spews:

A West Wing Thought for today:

“…We need to be investigated by someone who wants to kill us just to watch us die. We need someone perceived by the American public as being irresponsible, untrustworthy, partisan, ambitious, and thirsty for the lime light. Am I crazy or is this not a job for the US House of Representatives?”
C.J. Cregg, Season 3, Episode 3 of “The West Wing”
SOURCE

45. s-choir spews:

re : Yeah! There must be a part of the constitution that I missed , too. The part that says the Supreme Court can stop vote counting in a state and declare who won the presidency. But I guess that part of the constitution is just the part that radical right wing activist judges used in 2000 to stop the vote counting in Florida. Maybe it’s the catch-22 clause? Where is it? It’s not in the constitution.

46. Josef, Formerly of Josef's Public Journal spews:

West Wing Thought:

“…we need to be investigated by someone who wants to kill us just to watch us die. We need someone perceived by the American public as being irresponsible, untrustworthy, partisan, ambitious, and thirsty for the lime light. Am I crazy or is this not a job for the US House of Representatives?”
C.J. Cregg, Season 3, Episode 3
Source

47. Josef, Formerly of Josef's Public Journal spews:

West Wing Thought:

“…we need to be investigated by someone who wants to kill us just to watch us die. We need someone perceived by the American public as being irresponsible, untrustworthy, partisan, ambitious, and thirsty for the lime light. Am I crazy or is this not a job for the US House of Representatives?”
C.J. Cregg, Season 3, Episode 3
http://b4a.healthyinterest.net/char/cj_q.html

48. s-choir spews:

The Federal Programs work fine until they are defunded and deliberately emasculated by irresponsible members of the extreme radical right wing of the Republican party and their reckless apocalypse-yearning nutsack co-conspirators on the RELIGEOUS RIGHT! Tell me, conservative Democrats and Republicans alike: Did you vote for a president that cuts his vacation short to get the Federal Government embroiled in false imbroglio over Terry Schiavo, the poor brain dead housewife, but couldn’t be bothered to cut his vacation short for a disaster like Katrina? Is that what you voted for.

I think not!!! AND YOU HAVE THE RIGHT AND RESPONSIBILITY TO REVERSE THE DAMAGE CAUSED BY RADICAL RIGHT WING EXTREMISTS STEALING YOUR PARTY!!!!!!!

2008 is JUST AROUND THE CORNER…

49. Jimmynap spews:

Like I said before, should have strapped a brain dead white chick on top of the Superdome.

50. Mark spews:

GBS @ 41

Even if that were true — which I assure you it isn’t (as my mother is a very nice lady) — I’d rather have a farm animal for a mother than to be like you and have my sister as my mother.

51. Mr. Cynical spews:

s-choir—@44
You may be better off cleaning up your own SHITHOUSE as opposed to lecturing those you obviously hate to clean up theirs.
Mark@46–
You know, you may be RIGHT once again about GBS. LEFTIST PINHEADS are known to be a direct result of inbreeding. Not all LEFTIST PINHEADS are inbred….however ALL inbreds are LEFTIST PINHEADS!!! Ask Goldy…it’s a proven fact according to….????
Hell, it doesn’t matter who said it. But somebody surely did!

52. Michael spews:

@32 You are forgetting the fact that there we a lot of people that COULDN”T leave because of severe poverty. In New Orleans the median income was under $17,000/year which is definitely under the national poverty level. Over 50,000 people in that city DIDN’T owned a car so how were they supposed to leave? HMMMM??!
If they could and did leave Sep 1-4, they could have left as easily (actually much easier) Aug 26-29. Lets see…school bus, city bus, Greyhound, Amtrack, all these resources could have been used to get people out at no cost to the individuals. But that didn’t happen.

53. Calvin spews:

I like HorseSass.org – It’s right after Horse Sense

I’m hooked on these hearings – man, Brownie is doing a heck of a job! He’s probably going to be sent to Siberia by the NeoCons before they ever let him in front of a mike under oath again!!

You ReThuglicans can attack and make noise all you want – Mike Brown’s testimony today is a disaster for the White House

He’s helping prove that Bush is the Worst.President.Ever.

54. Mark spews:

Cyn @ 47

Let’s take a poll! Or hold a vigil… or something.

55. prr spews:

Personally,

I’d like to see Mr. Brown go after Goldy for Slander.

As Goldy had the “Scoop” and has been very proud of the fact that he created all these accusations against him, it would be nice to see him get his just desserts, say a multi-million dollar lawsuit against him.

56. windie spews:

Brown is too chicken to sue. He knows the charges are well supported, and abundantly researched.

He might do it in order to try to hurt Goldy, but a good lawyer could probably get those lawyers fees turned around pretty quickly. Either way he knows a lawsuit is silly…. unless he’s way more dumb and incompetant than everyone thinks…

PS: Janet S: You’re doing it again! We won’t be distracted by your stupid tricks… This is about brown!

57. prr spews:

windie @ 51

You are on glue if you think this is all about Brown.

This is about complete government failure from top to bottom.

58. rujax206 spews:

Here’s a nice little story about chimpy’s “best boy” Brownie fron the Arizona Republic (via Raw Story).

Here’s a good quote:

“Michael Brown spent all their money on lawsuits,” said Janice McCrea Wight, president of the Arabian Horse Association of Arizona, which produces the world’s largest Arabian horse show, in Scottsdale, and is associated with the national group. “He was initiating lawsuits and investigations, and people were retaliating.”

Brown, an Oklahoma attorney with no background in horses, entered the equine world in 1991 as the association’s first commissioner of judges and stewards, a post some said they thought pointless, given the group has an ethics board that examines issues of competition.

****************************************************************

Check it out:

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0927brown27.html#

59. prr spews:

Interesting Rujax, so a lawsuit against Goldy should be in the mix.

excellent.

It’s a good thing you are suchj a supporter of big government, you and your family may be in need of public assistance.

60. windie spews:

prr:

So a post called ‘thank you Mr. Brown’ is about all the failures…

This scapegoating of others to hide the fed’s flaws (especially combined with Brown’s awefully self-serving paid testimony) is utterly unacceptable.

Theres no evidence that the rightie trolls have any interest in finding real responsibility or fixing the situation. They want to find a way to protect the Bush administration and its cronies from further political harm.

I really hate to be a broken record on this, but I’m just not gonna let you get away with it unchallenged.

Theres a place for that discussion, but no reason to start it until you bastards can come to the table in good faith.

61. Janet S spews:

The police chief of New Orleans is “stepping down”. Think it has anything to do with the sorry response of his force? Or maybe the phantom officers on the payroll? Or the police cars that ended up in Houston? Or the cops caught on tape looting stores?

FEMA is not responsible for civil order. That is the job of the local police, the state police, and the national guard (under the control of the governor). Is this really irrelevant, windie?

Seems to me that you all are “stuck on stupid.” Brown has resigned. Yes, he is being paid to answer a few questions, in some circles this is known as accountability. He has no part to play in the future.

62. GBS spews:

Ms Chickenhawk (aka Mr. Cynical)@ 47

Are you kidding me? Most, if not all, inbreed, gapped tooth, fucking retarded morons live in Red states like Kentucky, Alabama, Indiana, Tennessee, and wherever you live. Which means most if not all inbreds are Republican.

Demography and science, something republican cowards don’t seem to understand. That’s why a fucking loser like Bush who’s failed at every “C” level position he’s ever held gets elected, then re-elected. Because inbreeding in Red states leads to retards who are eligible to vote. Retards who are easily brain washed by the “two word” spin mantra of the RNC.

You guys are fucking pathetic. You’re so fucking arrogant and stubborn you won’t admit that Democrats, particularly President Clinton, did one hell of a better job at growing the economy, paying down the debt — not increasing it to record levels, the size of government, blah blah blah. You’ll hang on to the RNC no matter what. Even if it means serious harm to our nation.

That’s why you pricks are Un-patriotic. You’re putting partisan hack politics ahead of what is obviously a better choice for America.

You fucking cowardice pigs. You Yellow Elephant pieces of shit.

63. GBS spews:

Windie @ 55

Unfortunately, these “bastards” lack the moral fortitude to come to the table in good faith and a clear conscience in the best interest of America.

Good luck ever seeing that day.

64. GBS spews:

Mark @ 38

You’re almost as fucking stupid as Ms Chickenhawk:

Did you really say this: “They may not be happy that people died, but that is outweighted by their self-congratulatory “see, we were right” comments. . . You all put politics ahead of people’s lives.”

A) We were/are right you dumb mother fucker!
B) It’s Bush’s extreme agenda that put politics ahead of people’s lives. You fucking dolt.

What’s the matter, don’t believe your own eyes???

Fuck! How stupid do you have to be to continue supporting these extreme Republicans in office who are destroying liberty, democracy and America?

What is it going to take? Another Civil War? God Damn it! You people are too fucking dumb to be believable!

65. Mr. Cynical spews:

GBS@57–
I think the Insanity Plea is your only option at this point.
Clearly you could care less about people that have died….in Iraq or from these Hurricanes. Your sole goal has been to HateBUSH and promolgate that agenda.
If Mrs. Sheehan is still your hero after watching her actions and gleeful joy…..you have broken the Goofy Meter.
GBS makes up stuff like the HorseDick Recipient was from Encumclaw …when it was clearly reported in the newspaper that he was from SEATTLE.
GBS is so aroused and angry, he is completely void of a lick of common sense.
Is GBS the model for Civil Dialogue you LEFTIST PINHEADS desire????
Perhaps GBS will be the next Horse Whisperer?!

66. windie spews:

gbs: Okay, using the term ‘bastards’ wasn’t the best… what can I say? I was kinda irked :p

67. Mark spews:

Gargantuan BullS**t @ 57:

“Did you really say this: “They may not be happy that people died, but that is outweighted by their self-congratulatory “see, we were right” comments. . . You all put politics ahead of people’s lives.”

A) We were/are right you dumb mother fucker!”

I rest my case.

68. windie spews:

Mark@60

so we’re not allowed to say we’re right, when we are?

69. CoolAqua spews:

Congradulations on the plug, it means your doing your job!!!

70. Mark spews:

windie @ 61

Assuming you’re right — which I’m not saying you are — you just shouldn’t do so with so much glee.

As I said before, a real American would be overjoyed at being wrong if it meant that lives were saved (or not lost). Take a look at the more vocal pols or the rabid protesters. They are one step shy of cheering when another death in Iraq is announced and they again chant “we told you so.” It is sickening.

I will reiterate that I think a number of folks in DC are too casual with the death numbers. I don’t think they used the best strategy and I don’t think they planned well enough to support the mission. I once had a Lefty HS teacher who said that, honestly, the real failing in Viet Nam was that we didn’t go in hard and get out quickly. Some of that applies to this case, too.

71. windie spews:

I wouldn’t call his (GBS’s) response ‘glee’ but more ‘rage’.

I think if we look at it honestly theres a LOT more ‘this is an outrage! something must be done!’ than there is ‘haha Bush looks bad!’

It goes back to my comments to Janet S. We can’t say anything to you without you trying to twist it. Again, you seem more concerned with ‘blame’ or ‘scoring political points’ than with ‘this is a terrible problem, lets solve it.’

72. wes spews:

‘so much for civil debate and well crafted arguments…and to think that someone actually pays for this bandwidth…how sad!

73. rujax206 spews:

mark@62 and calling ALL righty’s (seriously)-

Here is the definitive link between Iraq and Viet Nam (from Lew Rockwell.com via James Wolcott at http://jameswolcott.com/)

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig5/crevald1.html

THIS is why we will LOSE in Iraq because this is why we LOST in Viet Nam.

THIS is why we get so fucking upset. Did these idiots in this administration learn NOTHING from 20th Century history. We (us “lefties”) SAW this coming. We SAW the catastrophe that is now and will be Iraq. There are some smart people in D.C.-but they were STONE STUPID here.

It’s kinda long…but verrry interesting. Check it out.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig5/crevald1.html

74. Janet S spews:

Windie –
You are stuck on Michael Brown, who has been fired. Believe it or not, he was not the sole reason for what happened in NO. Other things went wrong, other people made mistakes. One is the local police force. The other was the mayor. Another was the governor.

If we don’t look at the bigger picture, we can’t learn anything. Now it looks like one of the biggest problems was Cable TV. They were so intent on finding a story that any rumor got put on the air immediately. No sourcing, no proof. The atmosphere was so poisoned that rescue workers were scared to go in to rescue people.

That isn’t spin. It is reality. It is something that can be fixed for the next time.

75. righton spews:

Wasn’t goldy out of the chutes after Katrina, to assign political blame asap…

comeone windie, ya’ll stirred this as much as you could. You gotta know we’re laying it on the other 2 doofus’ just to counter your singular attacks on bush.

76. Rosied spews:

Janet’s comment- “I guess I missed that part in the Constitution that says the Federal Govt is supposed to take over all actions in an emergency.”

Last time I checked the Constitution is not suppose to say that the Federal Govt is suppose to take over all actions. Maybe you should go read it. The Executive Office of the President is where DOH resides and FEMA is under DOH. Here is a statement from the FEMA website.

Here is a statement from the FEMA website. http://www.fema.gov/about/respond.shtm

Response begins as soon as a disaster is detected or threatens. It involves mobilizing and positioning emergency equipment; getting people out of danger; providing needed food, water, shelter and medical services; and bringing damaged services and systems back on line. Local responders, government agencies and private organizations take action. Sometimes the destruction goes beyond local and state capabilities. That’s when federal help is needed as well.
When the state and local governments are overwhelmed by a disaster, they make a request for federal aid through a Presidential disaster or emergency declaration. Typically, federal assistance is financial. However, the federal government may be asked to mobilize resources from any number of federal agencies, and to participate in the response. This is when the government implements the Federal Response Plan.

77. windie spews:

@66,67

no, and no.

It comes down to your lack of good faith.

There are a few conservatives on this blog that seem actually interested in discussing the issues and thinking, but most of them are partisan morons, or JCH/Cynical style mega-trolls.

78. Fritschie spews:

AAAAAAAAGGGGHHH!!!

At times like this, I wonder if sales of Excedrin has spiked since Bush came into office, because I know that I’ve had to take more than my fair share.

I know there are very few things worse than screwing up and being grilled about it in front of Congress and the national television audience. But isn’t blaming others in a vain attempt to save your own ass only gonna make it worse? Can anyone just cut the bullshit and abmit fault?!? For crying out loud, I learned how to do that in pre-school!

If they’re so concerned about their image and their future, just look at Janet Reno after Waco. She accepted responsibility for the whole mess because it happened on her watch. Has anything close to this happened in this administration? NO! If they can’t blame someone, they blame an ideology and declare war on it, and if that doesn’t work, change the name to something akin to “spreading democracy and freedom”.

79. Janet S spews:

Gosh, Windie, your argument is just simply overwhelming. I concede – you are right. Of course, I have no idea why I am wrong, or why I am a moron, but I must be, because you say so. Your name says it all. Why not try writing an actual paragraph, with a topic sentence, supporting argument, and conclusion? If the best you have is I’m not working from good faith, it’s time for you turn off your computer and go watch cartoons.

To Rosied – the Federal Govt doesn’t just get to come in and start running things. The governor has to give authority. The governor is in charge of the troops. The federal govt does not have the legal right to use military troops on US soil, unless an emergency is declared and the governor is deemed incapable. The governor kept FEMA out, kept the Red Cross out. Are you hoping for a coup the next time a hurricane strikes?

80. Mark spews:

windie @ 63: “Again, you seem more concerned with ‘blame’ or ’scoring political points’ than with ‘this is a terrible problem, lets solve it.’”

That is EXACTLY what those to the right of Kucinich have been saying about Dems for a long time.

Also… I didn’t say that GBS’s response was gleeful, but that the attitude I see from Teddy K, Nancy P, Lefty protesters, etc. is that of self-congratulation and shadenfreude than actual concern for the troops.

81. windie spews:

Mark@72

Anyone doing that deserves condemnation… But I think it happens alot less than what you’re saying.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I miss the non-rovian right so much.

82. windie spews:

oh yeah

Janet@71

Because we’ve done it a thousand times on a thousand topics. Eventually the pattern becomes clear… And its a pattern of distortion, avoidance, and lies. Its depressing to me.

But for the umpteenth time, here’s your paragraph, Janet S:

Lets deal with what Bush (and his appointee’s) did wrong. Thats the problem that can actually effect us directly. Mayor Nagin, or Gov. Blanco screwing up will never effect me. If it’d been an earthquake in Seattle instead of a hurricane in AL/MI/LA, Browns incompetence definitely would have effected me… And Bush’s tendency to appoint cronies with an emphasis on loyalty over skill can still hurt me. I’ve said this before, I’m saying it now, I’m sure I’ll say it again.

But I guess caring about what matters to Washington State is ‘shortsighted’ and ‘obsessing over Brown’.

83. windie spews:

response to janet will be at 74, don’t want ya to think I forgot you ;)

84. fire_one spews:

M @ 72 … so now you’re a mind reader!!!? You can tell what Ted Kennedy (who’s ass you’re not fit to wipe) is THINKING!!!?
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Get a grip.

85. GBS spews:

You’re all correct, I am full of rage as are many patriots around the country. I cannot stand to watch my beloved country that I served for 10 years continue to go down the fucking proverbial toilet any longer because you nimrods continue to blindly support the Republican party and Bush who are bankrupting America, making us more dependent of Middle East oil, ruining our alliances with our allies, killing American soldiers over a misguided war plan in Iraq, letting Osama Bin Laden roam free in Pakistan while Porter Goss has/had fix on OBL’s location, outing CIA undercover agents, . . . the list is long, too long.

The issues are no longer about tax cuts, abortion, big government, welfare or any of that other stuff from the 80′s and 90′s.

This is truly about a transformation of our way of life away from democracy as our forefathers envisioned it and a turn towards fascism, bankruptcy and the haves and the have nots.

No thank you. Not me. I won’t be a part of that.

Bush, DeLay, Frist, Roberts, Rove, Brown, Abramoff, Hannity, Limbaugh . . . do you think these are Good Americans or Good Germans? History will recount these people the same way we look back at McCarthy — poorly.

The rest of you can continue to engage in civil debate with the traitors ilk to salvage the few who have a modicum of patriotism left in their souls. For me, the time has come to choose another course of action. You might as well prepare yourselves mentally, because it’s coming and it’s going to be difficult.

86. Janet S spews:

I have never figured out exactly what responsibility Janet Reno took for Waco. She didn’t resign, she didn’t get fired, she didn’t change anything. She just said, my fault. So what? At least we are getting something for our money from Mike Brown. If you actually listen to what he says, he has some good critique. The fact that he doesn’t want to admit failure is irrelevant – he is out of the job.

87. prr spews:

Windie & GBS,

If your still online I’d love to have this debate.

First off,

The mayor of NO is a complete failure.

A topic which has not been discussed is the fact that the immediate surrounding area is a complete shithole, filled with gangland thugs. One of the reasons people did not eveacuate was that they did not want to take the chance of having their homes loooted.

Obvioulsy with good cause.

Another was the opportunistic greed of thugs who wanted people to leave so they could steall all they could.

Additionally, the mayors evacuation was a joke. Dumping poeple in the Superdome was an absolute clusterfuck.

The local governemnet is absloutely corrupt and when all this became the perfect storm in a perfect toilet, shit came to the top – not a big surprise.

The Governor, by her own admission screwed up, and failed to call in the federal government soon enbough, yet you still deny this.

No-one is arguing that federal response was quick, what we are saying is that everyone screwed up. However, by the time they were able to activate it was already too late.

And now reports are coiming out that the media was also creating more problems by fabricating stories (Goldy included) of high deaths tolls, rapes, murders, etc….. in an effort to make this a political/racial issue.

Now ask yourself, how are they fixing the problem of New Orleans? Are they relaocting a city, which ast some points lays 12 feet below sea level to higher ground? Are the dealing with levies that sit adjacent to this holding back a lake that sits 7 feet above sea level?

Nope, the Mayor (for the 2nd time since Katrina) is telling people to come back and put their lives at risk in a city that should be leveled and raised.

So I ask you, how is this the federal governments fault?

88. PAC spews:

Love your blog, the spirited forum and the name (my vote=keep it!).

For the record, I’m an independant. Too pro-choice to be a Rep and too conservative to be a big brother Dem, so I’m on almost no ones side here (and expect retaliation from all as a result…LOL).

Brown is clearly an idiot moron who has no place being in FEMA and his name will go down in history as another example of nepotism gone wrong.

As for the rest of the rhetoric being spewed, it’s amazing how the libs are jumping up in glee over it all. OK, so he’s an idiot, as if Dems never had one. Name one major crisis over the last 20 years that FEMA has shown itself anything but incompetent. My memory seems quite clear that FEMA gets it’s butt handed to them every time any crisis occurs. Be it Mount St. Helens, other numerous hurricanes, tornadoes etc. etc.

So why don’t the libs just finally acknowledge that Fed gov’t is indeed the biggest bureacratic mess and most innefficient way to do ANYTHING and be done with it and stop trying to score points already.

Everyone talking about this as if it’s the end of the world needs to get a huge dose of reality. Just last year, a Tsunami killed over 200,000 people (yes, read it again folks…2 HUNDRED THOUSAND!!!).

The whole world must be watching and gagging at our pitiful whimpering, whining, name calling and finger pointing after the loss of less than 1000.

I love my country, I wore my countries uniform for 6 yrs to protect all of your freedom from the (then anyway) terrible Communist threat that was the USSR. I respect your right to dissent and would have it no other way, but there’s a big difference between honest disagreement, political dissent and different philosophies and hysterical whining.

Many of you fall into the “hysterical whining” crowd and have clearly lost your objectivity.

As for the war. I’d love to post about that too, but that’s not what this particular topic is about…or did u forget?

(In my opinion)
regards,
PAC

89. CapnSeattle spews:

I think it’s important to note that the elected representatives in Louisiana will face the citizenry of that state when it comes time to assign blame for the mistakes made during Katrina. It’s up to the entire nation to expose the federally appointed officials who screwed up the response, and it appears now that’s starting to happen.

It’s unfortunate the 50.00001% of the people in this country are so undereducated and/or bitter they can’t see the total disaster they’ve now twice elected.

90. PAC spews:

“It’s unfortunate the 50.00001% of the people in this country are so undereducated and/or bitter they can’t see the total disaster they’ve now twice elected. ”

Well, perhaps 50.0000001% of the people are more afraid of what the opposition has offered in rebuttal so they go with the lesser of two evils.

Maybe it’s time the 49.9999999% took a look at the “horrible, doom, gloom, everyone is a victim, everything is a crisis, big govt is the solutions to all” message they keep spouting and realize that if they just moved a bit to stop alienating everyone not belonging to their personal little interest groups they’d have a huge majority.

Oh, can’t do that, too busy running to Jesse Jackson, Ted Kennedy, NOW, the Unions and everyone else with a “group” demanding a piece of the big fat pie for themselves.

Heck, if they did, I’d vote for them, but I can’t. I’m a heterosexual, protestant, white, male legal citizen. Clearly the enemy and not someone to be seen associating with (that’s sarcasm for the challenged out there).

When are they going to realize that I and people like me are sick and tired of being bashed? I’m not apologizing any more.

You lost the House of Rep and you didn’t understand why. You lost the White House and you don’t know why. Then you lost the Senate and you still don’t get it. Sheesh, who’s the blind one?

But if you’re so deluded that I’m “undereducated and/or bitter” to the point of blindness then I suggest you open your own eyes and think about/revise your message, Capn (unless you prefer to be a discontented minority, in which case, just keep it up you’re doing GREAT)

(in my opinion)
PAC

91. Mr. Cynical spews:

fireone@75-
How can anyone not be fit to wipe Teddy Kennedy’s ass?????
Obviously you are talking about some other Teddy Kennedy than the lying murderer who used his position of power to lure an underlying into his car and then kill her.
The mere thought of Teddy Kennedy’s drunken ass makes me want to vomit. Considering all his drunken escapades and venomous outbursts, only a true LEFTIST PINHEAD would even want to wipe Kennedy’s sorry alcoholic ass!
You may want to come up with a better role model fireone.
You couldn’t come up with a worse one than Teddy “The Killer” Kennedy.

92. thehim spews:

As always Goldy, you rule.

93. PAC spews:

ROFL…Ted Kennedy doesn’t need anyone to wipe his A$$. He has his own personal Bidet in Chappaquiddick where he dumps all his crap

Sorry to everyone for going there, but I couldn’t help but chuckle. In my defense, I didn’t bring it up…it’s all fire_one@75 fault.

PAC

94. Mr. Cynical spews:

PAC–@82–
When these LEFTIST PINHEADS try to make folk heroes out of the Teddy Kennedy’s and Jesse Jackson’s of the world….it’s like shootin’ PINHEADS in a barrel!

95. proud leftist spews:

GBS @76
Damn, it’s good to hear some heartfelt rage about what Bush and his boys are doing to this nation, and about how so many Americans are just bending over and taking it. Rage seems to me the most natural reaction to watching this nation, and our civil liberties, being vanquished. Every thinking American, except I suppose those privileged few who are getting a direct financial hit from Republican looting, should be standing and screaming. Keep it up.

96. Mark The Redneck spews:

“Brownie” is gonna expose all the stupid crap that Blanco and Nagin did that caused the problems. Let’s say he did like you fucking idiot HAs want. Remember last week when Nagin thought fed gummint overstepped and referred to “federal mayor of New Orleans”.

There’s a process for dealing with emergencies. All the players have well defined roles and responsibilities. Nagin and Blanco fucked up their roles, and it cascaded all the way through the entire process.

It wasn’t until feds did locals job that things got going.

So you idiot fucking HAs can crow all you want now, but as the lid gets blown on this, you’re going to look foolish. As usual.

97. Mr. Cynical spews:

GBS’s rage is raw emotion. Period.
It is an unhealthy rage.
It is often void of common sense and facts to back it up.
It is LEFTIST PINHEAD rage at it’s worst.
All hate- and fear-mongering.
Zero reasonable solutions.
GBS can only play one note on his horn. B-O-R-I-N-G!!!

98. enough_of_this_bullshit spews:

Hey Goldy,

I have a great idea.

Why don’t you come down here to NOLA and take a look for yourself what is happening. It makes knowing what happened a little easier to see. If all you do is read the fucking newspapers and think you know the truth then count yourself among those who are tragically uniformed.

I have spent the last three weeks down here and I can tell you that the media is distorting the events down here to meet their own needs. you’re just stupid enough to buy into it.

99. PAC spews:

cynical@83

OK OK, I must admit, I’ll agree with you on that point, but at the same time Brown was clearly in way over his head and should never have held that office in FEMA in the first place.

I’m listening to that Seante commite now though and Brown does also make several good points that I don’t see anyone acknowledging either. As central as FEMA is and despite the important sounding name, they are only 3000 people, and if they tried to provide first response, evacuation, triage, protection, food and shelter within the first 24 hours of every disaster they’d never be able accomplish a thing.

Also, I can’t help but wonder why no one is reaching out to the hundreds of NO cops who ran and are now subsequently quitting and ask them why. I bet there are some pretty strong opinions about what heppened by them and I can’t help but wonder why I’m the only one curious as to what the real story is behind it.

PAC

100. Pam Martens spews:

Today, former FEMA Director Michael Brown testified as follows before Congress:

“FEMA doesn’t evacuate communities. FEMA does not do law enforcement. FEMA does not do communications… Many may be surprised to learn that, guess what, FEMA doesn’t own fire trucks. We don’t own ambulances. We don’t own search and rescue equipment…”

What Mr. Brown failed to tell the US Congress is that FEMA’s own website spells out the statutory authority FEMA has under the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act. http://www.fema.gov/library/stafact.shtm#sec402

Under this law’s Section 5170b, upon the direction of the President of the United States, FEMA could have performed all of the following functions by tapping each and every Federal agency:

Performing on public or private lands or waters any work or services essential to saving lives and protecting and preserving property or public health and safety, including–
debris removal;
search and rescue, emergency medical care, emergency mass care, emergency shelter, and provision of food, water, medicine, and other essential needs, including movement of supplies or persons;
clearance of roads and construction of temporary bridges necessary to the performance of emergency tasks and essential community services;
provision of temporary facilities for schools and other essential community services;
demolition of unsafe structures which endanger the public;
warning of further risks and hazards;
dissemination of public information and assistance regarding health and safety measures;

Was it Mr. Brown or was it the President of the United States who was not conversant with the established law of the land for providing the above critical services during the Katrina disaster. Or was it both?

Only an independent commission can satisfy the public’s right to know if laws were followed during this national disaster. Only an independent commission can determine if the elderly and poor drowned in New Orleans because neither the President nor his political appointee took the time to read the governing law of America on national disasters.

Pam Martens

101. PAC spews:

Pam@88

Are you going to be equally as curious as to why the governor of LA EXCLUDED New Orleans from his list of parrishes when he asked Bushy to declare disaster areas so FEMA could start taking action?

Are you going to be as curious as to why Louisiana was operating without an state Emergency Coordinator (whatever that office is called, I don’t know) because the one they had was currently under INDICTMENT? Are you further curious why the governor didn’t replace his indicted emgency dude (or dudette) and get someone in there to handle it besides adding the duties onto his Advocate General?

Do you join me in wondering why the NO police no-showed for days and abandoned their posts?

Do you just accept that it’s a given that no good, despicable thugs were firing on rescuers trying to help causing hundreds of people with boats to turn away for fear of their lives?

I welcome it anytime we uncover screwed up govt. Go ahead and clean house, okey doke with me.

But I challenge you to do it fairly and point equally indignant fingers at others that were just as responsible for the Chaos after Katrina – or, Pam, are you about nothing more than pointing fingers at bumbling Bush and scoring points?

102. Another TJ spews:

PAC,

Wow, you are a curious one. Are you also curious about how an “independent” could so thoroughly swallow inaccurate GOP talking points?

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/27/brown-false-smear/

103. rujax206 spews:

And cynical isn’t cynical enough to recognize there are little spin meisters everywhare. What a dupe.

104. Mr. Cynical spews:

rujax—
here is a story about yer HERO—

Inside the Beltway

Senator Kennedy in Daring Levee Repair Mission
Praised by locals for his bravery
New Orleans, Louisiana
September 25, 2005

(Reuters Photo) — Senator Edward Kennedy (D- Mass.) undergoing
rigorous training with the Louisiana National Guard for the dangerous
New Orleans levee-plugging mission.

New Orleans, Louisiana, September 25, 2005 (Reuters) — Shocked by the widespread suffering of those displaced from their homes by the flooding in New Orleans following Hurricane Katrina and more recently Hurricane Rita, Senator Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.) has offered to plug one of the holes in the Lake Pontchartrain levee with his own ample girth.

“The Bush Administration has failed to stem the tide of this appalling cataclysm,” said Kennedy. “I’ve had experience with aquatic mishaps. This experience will bolster me in this hour of desperation as I attempt to plug one of the leaks myself.” Kennedy has arranged to have the Louisiana National Guard transport him by a Chinook helicopter and lower him into the easternmost breach in the badly damaged levee which is allowing waters to flood the Lower 9th Ward and St. Bernard Parish.

The hope is that the senator’s doughy frame will be pliable enough to conform to the hole’s dimensions and halt, or at least slow the flow of water from the lake into the city. The Chinook is normally capable of lifting three huge sandbags per trip, however, due to the his weight the aircraft will be limited to hauling Senator Kennedy as a single load.

President Bush praised Senator Kennedy’s actions. “I think it’s mighty big of him to offer so much for the citizens of New Orleans during their time of need,” said Bush. “There aren’t many who could fill such a large role in this disaster.”

105. PAC spews:

another@90

I’m not swallowing anything blindly. I told you (see #87 above( that I was listening to Brown speaking myself on CSpan2. When he mentioned those points, it made me curious.

And I also actually read that quote you just linked. DID YOU????

It’s completely bogus. Brown said that New Orleans was excluded from the list of disaster areas that were discussed 3 DAYS before landfall. The letter you just posted was written on August 27.

I just pulled out a calendar. August 27 was Saturday, the day before Katrina hit.

Where’s the spin masters who are going to show the letter that was sent THREE DAYS PRIOR…You know…the one Brown was talking about?

I guarantee you. I’m am who I say I am, I’m a independant who’s generally pretty skeptical and disgusted with the Dems, but certainly not willing to give Reps a pass either.

I also, read and pay attention. I also listen to CSpan for myself rather than rely on someone’s little out-takes and spin. I only wish others would do the same.

I will reiterate that Brown wsa clearly in way over his head and appointed just because he’s one of the good ole boys. He should be fired. But while we’re at it, let’s look at all the other incompetent boobs and expose them too. Or are you afraid to look too deeply?

PAC

106. PAC spews:

You know, there’s one other interesting thing here. If you keep looking at the governors website, that press release they have on line says August 27th.

But if you follow the links to “Letters to President Bush” it only goes back as far as August 28 and stops. And if you click on August 28 (that would be Sunday…right?) there, lo and behold is that same request for declaration of emergency, but this copy, instead of being in Text form, is a scanned PDF file and IT SAYS AUGUST 28.

Now, let’s see here. We have two “documents”. One of them is a piece of text posted on a web page (very VERY easy to edit) and the other is a SCAN of an actual typewritten paper.

One says Saturday…the other says Sunday. Hmmmmm

So the only thing we have to ask is why? Well it seems obvious to me, Sunday was way too late for anybody (espcially FEMA) to do much to help, so if someone wants to blame FEMA, it would be pretty hard if word got out that they didn’t ask for help until it was too late.

Now I don’t know if I’m on to anything or not. Maybe it’s just a typo, maybe it’s all innocent. But I’ve been around a while now, and I’ve seen how things work in the “Big Easy” politically and I do believe that what we have here is some spin control and games being played with the truth.

PAC

107. Mark spews:

windie @ 73

We’re right here, but as disgusted (if not moreso) with the Far Left wing of your party — the one that used to be about unilateral peace, Kumbaya and S**ialism. Now they’re all about violence toward authority (e.g. assaulting cops at “peace” rallies) and blind hatred for anyone that doesn’t march lockgoosestep with them and their twisted ideals.

For the most part, windie, I’ve enjoyed the back-and-forth with the more sane Lefties on here. I may not agree, but it is usually about methods, not results (e.g. my free markets vs. their welfare state as a means of helping the poor).

I still can’t figure out Roger Rabbit. Sometimes he gets a lightbulb moment or two, but then it is like he is channeling Donna, lucy & rujax — all at once. Could be the meds. I dunno.

108. Mark spews:

fart_one @75

I didn’t say I knew what he was thinking, but I said I could SEE it in their attitude — the tone of voice, the choice of words, the smirk and the gleam in the eye.

The Far Left will always choose schadenfreude over the lives of Americans. And that is sick.

109. Puddybud spews:

Douglas@18: You are a putz. You must be blind or daft, or both. The Red Cross on their web site specifically said FEMA has seven, you know the number after six trucks of food (two days) and water (three days) at the three sites but the LA NG was told to block the Red Cross and Salvation Army from delivering the goods to the people by Governor Blanco (since admitted her mistake last week Douglas) so she would force them to leave New Orleans. Been proven by the LA Times, The Houston Chronicle, The Dallas Morning News and the Washington Post. Get a life buddy. Stop reading the mooron.org news or listening to almost bankrupt Air America. The President of the Red Cross was on Fox News and Bill O’Reilly. But then you listen to Commie News Network right?

110. Rhonda L. spews:

Ummm….actually Blanco did issue a state of emergency on Friday. Why do I know this? Well heck I’m just one of the citizens of dysfunctional Louisiana and I had a vested interest to keep tabs on the news and I heard her issue it. Yes, we already know Gov.Blanco should have followed the hurricane plan of Louisiana. She has readily admitted her mistake. Mayor Nagin, well he can’t figure out who is to blame yet, but we know it is not him – just ask him. To clarify, there were National Guardsmen in the Superdome approximately 500 then 750 before Katrina hit. The convention center was NEVER a designated shelter. Although I am not a Bush Baby supporter, he also declared a state of emergency before Katrina hit and that in turn gave FEMA the power to move forward. It was NOT the state of Louisiana that kept the Red Cross or any other aid from getting to anyone – it was FEMA that was stopping volunteers and responders. If you are not sure on this there are a whole host of individuals from across the United States that came to help but were stopped from entering the areas hit by Katrina. This not only happened in my state but also in Mississippi. There were people along the coast that were begging for help from anyone and FEMA was the last to arrive. Lets face it, Brownie could not handle it. So what if Blanco cried. I’m glad to see she has feelings. Next time she can stack the bodies up and crawl on top with a bullhorn and give a rousing speech. Oh and let us not forget the wonderful person that told Cheney “go f**k yourself” – that was a Mississippi hurricane victim. Hmmm…could he have been angry at the goverment? Gee, I wonder.

111. Puddybud spews:

Hey Dan B. – aren’t you one of those guys who hates Israel, calling all of us neo-cons (we like Israel)? Another putz! September 16, 2005 commentary here on animal hind parts.

112. Donnageddon spews:

Mark @ 96 “The Far Left will always choose schadenfreude over the lives of Americans. And that is sick.”

First off, the “Far Left” you speak of, are your clear headed neighbors, the people who used to be called Centrists, Republicans, and Clear thinking patriotic Americans.

The Neo-Con Spin Machine has made anyone left of Adolph Hitler out ot be a “Far Left Radical”. We are here, we are near, and we are gonna shake you kool aid drinking zombies out of your delusional dreams to self destruct America.

No one… and I mean NO ONE cherishes every soldier in Iraq or anywhere else in the world more than what you snidley and ignorantly call the “Far Left”.

Neo-Con’s spit on our soldiers and cut their and their families healthcare and bemifits, while the “Far Left” wants them to be honored and cared for. Respected for their sacrifices and NEVER abused for a war based on LIES and coporate welfare.

Suck on that MARK! You soldier hating scumsucking anti-American asshole!

113. Puddybud spews:

Janet@24: They started the review process on the NO 5-0 people who were videotaped looting and ran off with the cars all over the south.

114. Donnageddon spews:

PuddyBud @ 99 “Another putz! September 16, 2005 commentary here on animal hind parts.”

Another exclusive bit of jabberwacky from our resident “Special” TROLL.

115. Donnageddon spews:

PAC @ 94, actually one only needs to check the REAL TIME reports that came out on the MSM. What really makes me Ill is you Neo-Con assholes attempting to rewrite RECENT history that we all watched in REAL TIME!

You have a special place in Hell reserved for you.

“In anticipation of a possible landfall, Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour and Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco declared states of emergency Friday.”

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/08/26/tropical.weather/index.html

I have posted these facts over and over agin, but the Right Wing Spin Devils continue to try to lie.

May you all die soon.

116. Donnageddon spews:

Oh, and PAC, you are no MAN.

117. Puddybud spews:

S-choir@43: Damn you be a putz too. Al Gore sued to stop 25,000 absentee ballots in Seminole and Martin counties from being counted. Al Gore sued to have a partial recound in Broward, Miami-Dade, Palm Beach and Hillsborough counties. I have posted many links to this affect, but you sorry putz of a brain missed them. The US Supreme Court said he could not do that. You better get your facts straight bud.

What did the people of Tennessee know that had them vote for GWB in 2000? If he carried his home state he would have been president!!! Maybe it was that Gore was a cheap bastard when it came to charities? $353 in 1997?

Or maybe the Tennesseeans were pissed he delivered Willie Horton to the national stage in his primary with Gov. Dukakis?

Robert Novak, Washington Post, 10/22/99: Al Gore’s mean streak was not engineered by [adviser] Bob Shrum…In his failed 1988 campaign for president, Gore nailed Massachusetts Gov. Michael Dukakis for the Willie Horton affair long before George Bush Sr. took up that cry.

Paul Gigot, Wall Street Journal, 10/29/99: One thing we know about this White House is that it plays for keeps. Recall that the candidate who first raised the prison furlough (Willie Horton) issue against Mike Dukakis in 1988 wasn’t George Bush. It was Al Gore.

William Kristol, Newsweek, 11/1/99: Big Al can be a tough, mean player, not afraid to be tough and inaccurate himself. After all, he’s the guy who introduced Willie Horton to the American public in his primary campaign against Michael Dukakis.

Sam Donaldson, This Week, 11/28/99: Al Gore does use fear. Remember 1988, it was Al Gore when he was running in the primaries for president who found Willie Horton, and he used Willie Horton against Dukakis.

Andrew Cain, Washington Times, 12/7/99: Mr. Gore has never been reluctant to go for the jugular. During the 1988 presidential campaign, Mr. Gore was the first candidate to raise the Massachusetts prison furlough program and Willie Horton issue against fellow Democrat Michael Dukakis.

Dan Balz, Washington Post, 12/20/99: Gore prefers the cut-and-thrust of traditional politics and has often defined himself by criticizing his opponents. It was Gore, after all, who in 1988 introduced Willie Horton into the presidential campaign.

118. Puddybud spews:

Hey donk****don, that is not PacMan posting as PAC. He emailed and said never again. He told me to tell you the door did not hit his ass. I look forward to meeting him when I return from this trip!

119. Donnageddon spews:

Yeah, PuddyBud. Right.

120. RUFUS spews:

In anticipation of a possible landfall, Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour and Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco declared states of emergency Friday.”

And what a beautiful job they did. You know what would work better to evacuate these democrat run cities. Just hold a special election with one polling place 500 miles away. You would have the whole city there in buses in no time.

121. Donnageddon spews:

PuddyBud “I look forward to meeting him when I return from this trip!”

Hey PB, just drink a couple of beers, and remember that your face IS NOT melting.

The trip will soon pass, and you will know never to take the brown acid ever again.

122. Mr. Cynical spews:

Donnafuckinggeddon@100
Yeah, just like the “Far Left” honored our soldiers returning from Viet Nam…..spitting on them and calling them baby-killers and worse.
Nice memory a$$hole.
I was there when my Uncle came home wounded in approx 1968-69….to a jeering crowd of LEFTIST Hippies.
I was about 14 years old.
I couldn’t understand why those protestors were angry at him. He was hurt.
I SAW the Far Left in action. Some things NEVER change.

123. Katrina Coverage spews:
Michael Brown of FEMA 9/27 Congressional Testimony transcript, news links
Former head of FEMA Michael Brown testified before Congress today. He spoke and was questioned for several hours, and the massive transcript is here and here in PDF form.
From the AP:
Former FEMA director Michael Brown blamed others for most governm…

124. Donnageddon spews:

Mr. Irrelevant @ 109 “Yeah, just like the “Far Left” honored our soldiers returning from Viet Nam…..spitting on them and calling them baby-killers and worse.”

You forget (probably because of bad acid you took) that the Hippies became Beo-Cons, and continue spitting on veterans with benifit cuts and useless wars for corporations.

I hate you fucking hippie scum, Mr. I!

125. Donnageddon spews:

Beo-Cons , Neo-Cons, same dif. (mea culpa)

126. Puddybud spews:

Stuckonstupiddon: You don’t read too much. I’m in LA on a bidness trip. Goldy has my IP. Sunday, I mentioned I thought Head-in-de-ass Lucite was on the plane. You know the type: high brow forehead, uncombed hair, big ass beer gut, rude as can be type. So I know you be projecting your drugged induced state on me. That’s quite alright, you need medical assistance. Yes donk****don, you ARE stuck on stupid!!!

127. Donnageddon spews:

“You know the type: high brow forehead, uncombed hair, big ass beer gut, rude as can be type.”

PuddyBud, I can now picture you in my mind!

128. Puddybud spews:

Stuckonstupiddon: You have a mind? I thought your writings were random synaptic firings. Regarding trying to picture me: I appreciate you thinking of me, but you are very wrong in your projection assessment.

129. RUFUS spews:

This has been a tough 8 months on GWB. I hope the next 40 months are little easier.

130. RUFUS spews:

You know 40 months is a loooooonnnng time in politics.

131. Mr. Cynical spews:

Donnafuckinggeddon–
So the Hippies of the 60′s are now Neo-Cons???? Interesting.
Did you pull that out of your ass like everything else you post here?? I thought so.
Your anger and rage will eat you up.
On your tombstone, it will sadly read:
Here lies Donnafuckinggeddon
His happiest moments were his anger and rage.
Donnafuckinggeddon….He died PISSED OFF!

132. Donnageddon spews:

Mr. Irrelevant, I am not sure, but I have a feeling I am the laughing Buhhda to your Nixon scowl.

Do not cry for me, Mr. I, I am laughing my ass off at your torturous knee bends to explain the GWB fiasco!

These are great times to be a Real American! The fascist Neo-Cons are on the ropes and no hope is headed their way.

Donnageddon,
Happy as an Ivar’s clam

133. Donnageddon spews:

RUFUS @ 116 Shouold have read “This has been a tough 8 months on GWB. I hope the next 40 months are” … cut a little short.

134. Donnageddon spews:

I mean, lets be real, RUFUS. GWB is a highway accident that people hate to see, but keep looking at. We need to get rid of the rubberknecking and just push the failed administration to the side of the road, and get on with the Real America for the 21st century.

GWB’s administration is playing out like the 19 century Robber Baron era. Hell, we even have a Railroad Magnate as Bush’s Treasury Secretary.

Been there, done that. Time to evolve to a brighter future!

135. Another TJ spews:

PAC,

Brown said that New Orleans was excluded from the list of disaster areas that were discussed 3 DAYS before landfall. The letter you just posted was written on August 27.

I just pulled out a calendar. August 27 was Saturday, the day before Katrina hit.

First, Katrina made landfall on Monday, August 29, not Sunday the 28th.

Second, please note the following two paragraphs from the press release:

Under the provisions of Section 501 (a) of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act, 42 U.S.C. §§ 5121-5206 (Stafford Act), and implemented by 44 CFR § 206.35, I request that you declare an emergency for the State of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina for the time period beginning August 26, 2005, and continuing. The affected areas are all the southeastern parishes including the New Orleans Metropolitan area and the mid state Interstate I-49 corridor and northern parishes along the I-20 corridor that are accepting the thousands of citizens evacuating from the areas expecting to be flooded as a result of Hurricane Katrina.

In response to the situation I have taken appropriate action under State law and directed the execution of the State Emergency Plan on August 26, 2005 in accordance with Section 501 (a) of the Stafford Act. A State of Emergency has been issued for the State in order to support the evacuations of the coastal areas in accordance with our State Evacuation Plan and the remainder of the state to support the State Special Needs and Sheltering Plan.

The 26th is three days before the 29th.

Now, either Brown was simply mistaken about when the letter was written, or he was intentially trying to mislead Congress, or he is referring to some mysterious letter sent the 26th but of which no copy exists anywhere. Based on his demonstrated competence level, I’m inclined to believe the first explanation is most likely, but I’m not ruling out the second. The third is least likely. If LA had sent a formal request on Aug. 26 and such a letter did exist, the Bush administration would have their propagandists in the media touting it on every right-wing talk show and blog they could.

Maybe this letter is with Bush’s missing TANG documents. More likely, the state and the feds were communicating informally throughout the lead-up to Katrina’s landfall, and someone in FEMA screwed up in writing the formal Statement of Federal Emergency Assistance, leaving out the southeastern parishes.

Regarding your other next post, some related comments:

You know, there’s one other interesting thing here. If you keep looking at the governors website, that press release they have on line says August 27th.

But if you follow the links to “Letters to President Bush” it only goes back as far as August 28 and stops. And if you click on August 28 (that would be Sunday…right?) there, lo and behold is that same request for declaration of emergency, but this copy, instead of being in Text form, is a scanned PDF file and IT SAYS AUGUST 28.

Now, let’s see here. We have two “documents”. One of them is a piece of text posted on a web page (very VERY easy to edit) and the other is a SCAN of an actual typewritten paper.

One says Saturday…the other says Sunday. Hmmmmm

Yes, quite mysterious, perhaps even downright fishy.

If you read the letter dated Aug. 28, you’ll see that Blanco once again points out that the statewide state of emergency was declared on Aug. 26.

But, of course, none of this is actually relevant. Brown is not referring to this letter in his testimony. He’s claiming there is another request that was transmitted from the state of LA to the feds on Aug. 26. If you could direct me to this document, I would love to take a look at it.

Most likely, the Aug. 28 letter was just one of many communications between LA and the feds, and it doesn’t appear to be what Brown was referring to. Perhaps he was confusing the request that LA sent with the Statement of Federal Emergency Assistance the White House actually issued:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/20050827-1.html

Or perhaps he’s just trying to cover his ass.

136. PAC spews:

OK then. I give big credit points to another TJ@122.

finally someone willing to look into things (as best as we can surfing) for him/herself.

I have no doubt there is some serious duck and CYA going on. I’m pretty sure Blanco is doing some, no doubt whatsoever that Mayor whatshisname is in serious panic (let us not forget the sea of schoolbusses…LOL).

Brown, is just the higest federal flunky in the chain, but I doubt the only “weak link”.

He does seems to be the favorite on to dog-pile right now though.

As for PACbuddy…never heard of him. I just dropped in and joined the fray after hearing Brownie boy mention it. Call me a troll if you like, that’s ok I just can’t resist a lively argument ;)

PAC (not your buddy)

137. Mark spews:

Donna @ 113

I am not a neo-con and never have been. I have more than once said that I don’t agree with neo-cons and/or the Far Right.

Did you ever take (and publish on HA your results of) the quiz at http://www.politicalcompass.org ? I ended up dead center on social and just two ticks to the right on economic. Where are you? Upper left corner?

The Far Left IS the Far (Out, maaaaannnn) Left. Dennis Kucinich is NOT centrist. The Blame-America-First’ers are NOT centrist. The idiots at “peace” rallies that throw crap at and otherwise assault my police officer friends and family members standing in formation are NOT centrist.

Face it, you Far Left assholes DO get even the slightest jolt o’ joy when another death in Iraq is announced — all because you get to chant, “see, we were right!” Look up “schadenfreude” in the dictionary and there’ll be your picture and “see US Democratic Party” as a reference.

Hating anything to the right of Kucinich is your raison d’etre! You are completely devoid of any ideas that don’t involve protesting or mayhem. You have become what you allege you oppose — a party of blind hatred for anyone that is not like you. You don’t want freedom, you want fascist control — “hand over your money and do as we say! We know best!” You guys created political correctness. It isn’t respect for differences, it is groupthink and attempted social control — both hallmarks of the Far Left.

Now, I’m betting that I’ll get nothing but verbal vomit from you, rujax, lucy and the rest of the Loony Left in response to this post. There’ll be more than a few profanities and Kool-Aid-induced talking points. You’ll ignore 1/2 of what I wrote and will go off on some tangent about how I must drive an SUV and have Karl Rove on speed-dial or something. You’ll be wrong… again. And again… and again.

138. Donnageddon spews:

MArk, you are completely wrong on all counts.

Again

139. Mark spews:

Donna @ 139

No, I’m not wrong. At least Bunny Fru-fru has the balls to denounce those who assault police officers.

Go ahead… Denounce political correctness and all other groupthink. Gimme a list of Republicans you don’t hate. Denounce those on the Left who think America, on the whole, is an evil empire. Can’t do it? Make your brain hurt?

Go take the http://www.PoliticalCompass.org test and tell us how you did.

140. Terry Dalton spews:

Thank goodness liberals like most of you are not in power. You are so out of touch with the majority of America.

141. s-choir spews:

re 141: You are so insulated from reality. Bush’s only remaining support comes from the religeous (racist) right.

142. Puddybud spews:

Is the racist religious right the ones who like Israel?

Come on David, be a man, denounce those on your side who continually denounce Israel. Just think; I thought you were a mensch.