Supreme Court stops GOP suppression effort in Ohio

The United States Supreme Court has overturned an appellate court that ruled in favor of the Republican Party regarding voter registrations in Ohio.

In a brief unsigned opinion, the justices said they were not commenting on whether Ohio is complying with a provision of the Help America Vote Act of 2002 that lays out requirements for verifying voter eligibility.

Instead, they said they were granting Brunner’s request because it appears that the law does not allow private entities, like the Ohio GOP, to file suit to enforce the provision of the law at issue.

About 200,000 of 666,000 voters who have registered in Ohio since Jan. 1 have records that don’t match. Brunner has said the discrepancies most likely stem from innocent clerical errors rather than fraud but has set up a verification plan.

While this is heartening, it’s not the end of Republican monkey business. Josh Marshall, as usual, leads the way covering highly suspect Department of Justice actions, this time with the ridiculous FBI folderol regarding ACORN. If that’s not an attempt to screw with the outcome of the election, I don’t know what is. That lady from Alaska even mentioned it this morning on my tee-vee. Here’s a bit from TPM’s story this morning:

“I’m astounded that this issue is being trotted out again. Based on what I saw in 2004 and 2006, it’s a scare tactic.”

Who’s that speaking? And what’s he talking about?

That’s fired US Attorney David Iglesias talking about the news leaked today that the DOJ and FBI are opening a nationwide investigation into allegations that the community organization ACORN is somehow working to undermine the November election through fraud. For more from Iglesias and his fellow fired US Attorney Bud Cummins, don’t miss TPMMuckraker’s Zack Roth’s interview post from earlier this evening.

There really needs to be intense scrutiny of the FBI investigation of ACORN in the traditional media. If there’s anything there other than everyday mistakes and the occasional people ripping off ACORN, then we all want to know about it. Because if there’s not anything worth investigating then the FBI itself is now being used as an arm of the Republican Party. (I know, who would think the Bush Justice Department would do such a thing?)

As Iglesias notes in his interview with TPM, the leaking of the investigation itself is highly suspicious. It’s hard enough to win elections without having to win by margins larger than Republican suppression efforts.

Comments

  1. 1

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Any illegal votes disenfranchise legal voters.
    Calling Voter Registration “Voter Suppression” is ludicrous.
    ACORN has 6 convicted fraud perpetrators in Washington and numerous nationwide. They did tthese shenanigans with PUBLIC MONEY. That’s the outrage!

    ACORN has brought this upon themselves by turning an intentional blind eye to what registrations are turned in.

    Nice Try==No Sale

    I insist every vote MUST come from a Legally Qualified Registered Voter.

    I would think most of you feel the same.

  2. 2

    Tlazolteotl spews:

    Mr. Cynical,

    somebody still needs to explain to you the difference between voter registrations and voter ballots? Please.

  3. 3

    MrRcguy spews:

    You realize of course that if there was a demonstrably republican organization that had an equivalent record of that of Acorn you all would be calling for heads. Wondering why more wasn’t being done to ensure the group couldn’t turn in massive lists with questionable registrations.

  4. 4

    MrRcguy spews:

    Matter of fact you’d be questioning how a partisan group with that record was able to secure govt. money. There would be freaking hearings.

  5. 5

    rla spews:

    @1

    I insist that everyone who has the right to vote has every opportunity to do so. I would think you would feel the same.

  6. 6

    delbert spews:

    Iowahawk nails it:

    “ACORN Files Voting Rights Suit on Behalf of Imaginary-Americans

    ST. LOUIS – Attorneys for the voting registration organizations ACORN and Project Vote filed an anti-discrimination voting rights suit in the U.S. Federal District court this morning, alleging the United States government is involved in “a widespread, systematic effort to disenfranchise Imaginary-Americans and deprive them of access to polls.”

    “Participation in our electoral process is a fundamental right, and the foundation of our democracy,” said ASDF ASDFG, a spokesperson for the National Association for the Advancement of Imaginary People, one of the groups named as plaintiffs in the class action. “We will not be silent when government denies people access to the polls on the basis of color, or sex, or existential status.”

  7. 7

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    rla:

    I insist that everyone who has the right to vote and has legally registered has every opportunity to do so. I would think you would feel the same.

  8. 8

    YellowPup spews:

    I haven’t been watching the coverage of the ACORN issue very closely, but from what I’ve seen, it’s either that the MSM doesn’t understand it, or is simply spewing Republican talking points, to gather ratings Lou Dobbs-style or perhaps to avoid accusations of being “too liberal.” ACORN is usually underrepresented in the reporting.

    The best (and it’s surprisingly balanced) coverage I’ve seen on this is on DN:

    http://www.democracynow.org/2008/10/15/acorn

  9. 9

    busdrivermike spews:

    I think everyone who voted by GW Bush should be stood to answer for aiding and abetting a war criminal who ordered people to be tortured over a period of years

    I think Mr. Cynical would feel the same.

  10. 10

    Don Joe spews:

    @ 8

    There’s a better web site that provides detailed information on absentee voting: http://www.longdistancevoter.org/help.

    In particular, this

    If you are a first time voter in your state, and you register by mail, your state will attempt to verify your identity using the number you’ve provided. If they can’t, you’ll need to provide additional ID the first time you vote in person or by absentee ballot.

    exposes the lie that that wingnuts like delbert (who posts quotes from Republican press releases) have been trying to peddle.

  11. 12

    rla spews:

    @7

    Fair enough. Do you agree that it’s proper to help people who can legally register to do so? Someone turns 18 and doesn’t know where to go, or person just receives citizenship
    and needs assistance on getting registered.. etc..

  12. 14

    headless lucy spews:

    If you register an imaginary voter at a non-existent address, how will that affect an election one way or the other?

    To implement a vote fraud scheme using such erroneously registered voters would not be feasible in the real world. Think about it — if that’s not asking too much from a Republican.

    HOWEVER, Republican caging lists and and re-programming of voting machines is a real problem.

    It’s a proven fact that your side used these tactics in the 2000, 2004, 2006, and now the 2008 election. You know you are going to lose, even with all your cheating mechanisms in place. Your side is just trying to set up a ‘voter fraud’ meme to try to devalue the legitimacy of an Obama administration.

    I’m telling you right now that if the legal system in this country can’t get you Republican criminals under control, then posse law is sanctioned by the constitution.

  13. 15

    delbert spews:

    I have no problem with citizens, who need help, getting assistance in registering to vote.

    I have a problem with illegal immigrants, felons, and dead people voting.

    I have a problem with college students from a different state claiming to live in a battleground state while in Europe for the semester. See Ohio.

    I have a problem with the “denial of service” attacks on the registration process ala ACORN. They dumped 660,000 new registrations in the system in Ohio and overloaded the elections departments. 200,000 of those need further review and the Democrat SoS is dragging her feet to hold of checking past the election.

  14. 16

    Don Joe spews:

    delbert

    The comment you posted on the Open Thread was from a press release put out by the New Mexico Republican Party.

    And, you have a problem with a lot of things, not the least of which is your inability to tell the whole truth. Why do you need to lie, delbert?

  15. 17

    headless lucy spews:

    re 15: In some states it is not illegal for felons to vote. There is no constitutional rule forbidding felons to vote.

    Ollie North votes, and he’s a convicted felon. Being pardoned by a president (who was a co-conspirator, himself) in no way changes the fact that North is a convicted felon.

    But the fact of the matter is that all statistical studies show that erroneous voter registration has NO effect on the outcome of an election, but the illegal caging of voters (a Republican specialty) does.

  16. 18

    delbert spews:

    @16

    Yes, that was. But in THIS thread, my comment at #6 was a wonderful piece of mockery by IowaHawk.

    We’re over here now, in this thread, try to stay with us and focus.

  17. 21

    headless lucy spews:

    It’s funny that the BIAW is fighting ‘the environmentalists’ when it’s Republican policies that have killed the housing market.

    The BIAW can try to loosen the environmental rules (via Dino ‘carney barker’ Rossi), but it won’t make a bit of difference — because no one can get loans.

  18. 23

    YLB spews:

    I have no problem with citizens, who need help, getting assistance in registering to vote.

    Yes you do because it’s a fact pure and simple that the more people who participate (legally of course) in our democracy, the more right wing, Limbaugh-loving fools lose.

    The GOP Party vote suppression machine is massive: voter rolls purges, voter caging, voter intimidation, “no match, no vote” disenfranchisement, malfunctioning voting equipment, deliberate misinformation sent to voters – a whole host of dirty tricks that is commonly practiced by that most corrupt and ugly of parties – the GOP Party.

    Which you Delbert so obviously “prefer”.

  19. 24

    headless lucy spews:

    Re 19: Thanks for asking. Are these enough? Will you even read one of them?

    http://www.salon.com/news/feat.....ppression/
    “Behind the GOP’s voter fraud hysteria
    As Republicans warn of catastrophe at the polls, an expert on election fraud explains the real partisan hoax — the suppression of Democratic votes.”
    By Andrew Burmon

    http://www.eac.gov/clearinghou.....nload/file

    http://www.projectvote.org/fil....._Final.pdf

    http://www.eagleton.rutgers.ed.....timony.pdf

  20. 25

    So we won spews:

    Totally sleazy GOP trick. IF their honest concern was voter fraud, they would have raised this issue years ago. The ONLY theoretical reason to wait until 21 days till the election is to spread chaos and confusion and help invalidate the process (so when Obama wins they can claim it was all flawed and we don’t REALLY know who won). IF the GOP really cared about preventing voter fraud they would’ve done this a year ago so we fool proof solid system would be in place…not wait until days before and election to force some last minute poorly thought out emergency procedure. This is as transparent and stupid a joke tactic as John McCains “suspending his campaign”. Totally bullshit gimmick. Laughable.

    Ideally everyone in this country should vote (of course they don’t). If the GOP believes the only way they can win is to minimize the number of people voting and to “not talk about the issues”, then they’re running an intellectually bankrupt campaign.

  21. 26

    Don Joe spews:

    @ 18

    But in THIS thread, my comment at #6 was a wonderful piece of mockery by IowaHawk.

    On the other hand, the subject of this thread is the same as the subject of your comment in the open thread.

    We’re over here now, in this thread, try to stay with us and focus.

    Neither your lies nor your cingulate over-focus are my problems.

    And, you haven’t answered my question. Why do you have to lie, delbert?

  22. 27

    headless lucy spews:

    re 26: Delbert lies because he believes he is in the right on all things political; therefore, any tactic (whether a lie, cheating, or not)that advances Delbert’s agenda (which Delbert believes is ‘right’), is justified in the service of Delbert’s perceived (erroneously) truth.

    In short: He’s a fanatic.

  23. 28

    Daddy Love spews:

    This case has nothing to do with Acorn. I has everything to do with Republicans looking to force legally registered voters to vote using provisional ballots in order to clog and slow down polling places by challenging voters, all on no more compelling “evidence” than trivial differences in various database entries.

    For example, McCain-Palin shill and legally registered voter Sam “Joe” Wurzelbacher is reistered as Samuel Joseph Worzelbacher. Should he be deied his franchise because of some innocous error? I wouldn’t deny his right, even though I disagree with his politics.

    So let’s examine the record here: the Ohio GOP believes that important errors are imperiling the vote in their state, but they wait until 30 days before the election to take action? Doesn’t pass the smell test.

  24. 30

    Daddy Love spews:

    Voter registration should be automatic and universal. Let’s get a national ID and accompany it with universal registration.

  25. 31

    YLB spews:

    I[t] has everything to do with Republicans looking to force legally registered voters to vote using provisional ballots.

    Of which one-third to one-half are routinely not counted. Provisional ballots are yet another piece of the GOP vote suppression machine.

  26. 32

    Daddy Love spews:

    Let’s see, if I filled out a voter regisration in the name of Joe Biden to make a buck, come Elelction Day, who would vote using it? No one. Case closed.

  27. 34

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    9. busdrivermike spews:
    “I think everyone who voted by GW Bush should be stood to answer for aiding and abetting a war criminal who ordered people to be tortured over a period of years
    I think Mr. Cynical would feel the same.”

    Keep both hands on the wheel a$$hole…and don’t leer at the teenage girls.

  28. 35

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    rla spews:
    “Fair enough. Do you agree that it’s proper to help people who can legally register to do so? Someone turns 18 and doesn’t know where to go, or person just receives citizenship
    and needs assistance on getting registered.. etc..”

    I have no problem with that.
    I do have a problem with ACORN and their track record and giving them public money to do so.
    I think people should register in person and show some idea and have their registration crosschecked with Motor Vehicle Dept and Social Security.
    Who doesn’t have a SS number?
    If you don’t have one, WHY NOT?? Tax-Dodger??

  29. 36

    slingshot spews:

    If I was a paid registrar collector, and I wanted to cut corners- I could submit a registration with the imaginary information: Tiny Littlenutz, 69 Dumbfuck Ln, Dipshit, OH. I’d make some more money. But I’d be breaking the law, and Acorn, the organization I work for would turn me in to the brown shirts. But Tiny Littlenutz probably wouldn’t show up to vote in Dipshit, OH., on voting day because he’s imaginary. Far less real than delbert’s Dino Rossi blow up doll.

  30. 37

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    slingshot–
    Untrue.
    In 2004, we asked repeatedly in King Kounty for the list of names of who was credited with voting…the total of which would match up with the total number of actual votes.

    King Kounty could never do this simple thing…and were let off the hook because the old law did not specifically REQUIRE a reconciliation. NOW it is required.
    The problem here is we can only see who voted AFTER the votes are comingled & counted.
    See the problems??

  31. 38

    Rujax! spews:

    The bottom line is that asshole republicans will not be able to steal this election like they did in 2000 and 2004 without a fight.

  32. 39

    Rujax! spews:

    You motherfuckers can bitch and whine all you want, but ACORN played by THE RULES (like they WOULDN’T???…knowing what kind of republican DIP-SHITS were watching???? C’mon!)…and the Supreme Court said so. Unanimously.

    So fuck off.

  33. 40

    Rujax! spews:

    Problem for you guys is the Dems are ready, willing and able to stand up and fight.

    This is the new Democratic Party…and your “five minutes” are up.

  34. 41

    YLB spews:

    delbert’s Dino Rossi blow up doll.

    LMAO!! I bet those are selling like hotcakes to the (un)SP crowd.

  35. 42

    YellowPup spews:

    @35: I didn’t realize (but it makes sense, of course) that to protect against voter suppression, ACORN is required by law to submit all the registrations they receive, whether the registrations are obvious BS or not.

    ACORN reviews the registrations and flags obviously fake ones like that to help elections officials, but they still have to turn in everything that the canvassers submit.

  36. 43

    Rujax! spews:

    Oh and the asshole known as mr. cynical will do “just fine thank you” $$$-wise under the Dems. Since that’s ALL that the son-of-a-bitch cares about that’ll make him happy.

  37. 45

    Rujax! spews:

    So asshole BIAW shill…

    …what’re you gonna do if the voters (or the judiciary) won’t let you BUY the gubenatorial election…

  38. 46

    Steve spews:

    @35 “Far less real than delbert’s Dino Rossi blow up doll”

    LMFAO! Good grief! Dino dolls and goats!

  39. 47

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    I think I now understand what O-blah-blah was telling Joe the Plumber:

    “In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life’s prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly–only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.”

    From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.

    Joe needs to understand it is his responsibility to the GREATER GOOD that he work his ass off and risk capital…and then give it to O-blah-blah to distribute to all who “need”.

  40. 48

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    BTW–
    The guy who provided O-blah-blah with his redistribution by government wisdom was:

    KARL MARX!

  41. 49

    delbert spews:

    Then answer me this. If this really is just paid canvassers just gaming the system, why is ACORN so fucking stupid to do this nationwide again and again. Remember they got busted in 2004 here in Seattle.

    If I’m right, they’re corrupt.

    If you’re right, they’re fucking stupid.

    Well which is it? Evil or Stupid.

  42. 50

    Steve spews:

    @44 “So asshole BIAW shill…

    …what’re you gonna do”

    He’ll always have his Dino doll.

  43. 51

    Daddy Love spews:

    46 Cyn

    No, cynical, what Joe needs to understand (and I think he does now that he admitted it on television) is that he will save money under Barack Obama’s tax cut plan.

  44. 52

    Steve spews:

    @48 “Well which is it? Evil or Stupid.”

    I figure you to be too stupid to be any good at being evil.

    Dino doll? LMFAO!!! You’ve been bitch-slapped, troll.

  45. 53

    Daddy Love spews:

    36 Cyn

    In 2004, we asked repeatedly in King Kounty for the list of names of who was credited with voting…the total of which would match up with the total number of actual votes.

    King Kounty could never do this simple thing…and were let off the hook because the old law did not specifically REQUIRE a reconciliation. NOW it is required.
    The problem here is we can only see who voted AFTER the votes are comingled & counted.

    You’re the proof of the adage that a man will never understand what it is in his interest not to understand.

    There will NEVER be a complete one-to-one reconciliation of voters with voter rolls. And the reason is that voter regitration rolls are constantly being updated with people who get married, change their names, die, divorce, attain their majority, and move, while election vote records are but a snapshot of that constantly moving miasma of perfectly legal voters going about their business. This is all the more true now that we have absentee voting by mail, which allows more time after the vote is cast for changes to occur.

    Get used to it.

    If you think you can find fraud, fucking well find some, or shut the fuck up. 2 million dollars in 2004 found only four fraudulent votes (all for Dino Rossi) from, as I recall, some felons too dumb to understand they they weren’t allowed to vote and a poor schmuck who voted for his dead wife. The conspiracy you pray for does not exist.

  46. 54

    YellowPup spews:

    @48:

    Then answer me this. If this really is just paid canvassers just gaming the system, why is ACORN so fucking stupid to do this nationwide again and again.

    They want to help eligible voters participate in the election, which is neither particularly corrupt/stupid.

  47. 56

    Daddy Love spews:

    48 del

    False dichotomy. Those are not the only two choices. But thanks for playing Name That Fallacy.

  48. 59

    Steve spews:

    @52 “The conspiracy you pray for does not exist.”

    That only goes for the reality-based. Alas, reality and Cynical have only a passing acquaintance.

  49. 61

    Rujax! spews:

    Just look in the back of some fucked up Ford box van at a BIAW meeting.

    What a bunch of un-American assholes…

    …makes a hack like cynical proud. the old kkk tactics still work.

  50. 62

    delbert spews:

    @53

    “They want to help eligible voters participate in the election, which is neither particularly corrupt/stupid.”

    And the method they use has been corrupted by their employees/contractors since at least 2004 and they know it, since one of their supervisors was convicted. So, why do they CONTINUE to use that method? Evil or Stupid?

  51. 63

    Daddy Love spews:

    61 del

    We all go to doctors for medical treatment. Some doctors are stupid, careless, incompetent, and/or corrupt. Your response to this inevitability is that we should eliminate doctors as the means by which people seek and receive treatment.

    Yes, the way we register voters is sub-optimal. I have not heard an optimal plan from you.

  52. 64

    delbert spews:

    @55

    You can call anything a false dichotomy, but until you provide the other choices (or any other sort of an argument, anything at all, really) it’s still just ‘blah, blah, blah’.

  53. 65

    Daddy Love spews:

    I’n not surprised the del and cynical are breaking into the ACORN offices. After all, their presidential candidate warned us not three das ago the ACORN is a threat to “the very fabric of democracy.”

    Just think about that. A 10% registration error rate that does not affect votes is an exisential threat faced by democracy itself.

    How do you guys get out of bed in the morning with all the fear you feel? Don’t you know that bin Laden is voting with a driver’s license that says “Mickey Mouse?”

  54. 66

    Daddy Love spews:

    63 del

    No, it’s you with your hands over your ears saying “I CAN’T HEAR YOU LALALALALALALALA!!!”

  55. 67

    Daddy Love spews:

    But when I looked at up, it is more properly the excluded middle propaganda technique:

    The Either/Or Technique — Bifurcation — the Excluded Middle
    Present the audience with only extreme either/or, black-or-white choices, while admitting to no gray areas inbetween. Consider only the two extremes in a range of possibilities, to make the “other side” look worse than it really is. Carl Sagan called this the “excluded middle” technique.
    The Excluded Middle technique also includes:

    Short-term versus long-term comparison — a subset of the excluded middle —

    “why pursue fundamental science when we have so huge a budget deficit?”.

    “Why should we believe predictions of global warming when they can’t predict the weather two weeks in advance?”
    Slippery slope — another subset of the excluded middle — make unwarranted extrapolations of the effects of a course of action, like: “give ‘em an inch and they’ll take a mile.”
    For example:

    “If you’re not one of us, you’re one of them.”
    This is called “the sheep and goat distinction”.

    “If you aren’t a dirty, lying Communist, then of course you agree with us, and you will be happy to join our John Birch Society (or the KKK, or the Nazi party, etc.)…”

    “He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.” [Matthew 12:30]

    “Those who are not with us are against us.” [Comrade Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, Russia, 1917]

    “You are either part of the solution, or part of the problem.”

    “Either you are Serving the Lord (as our church defines it) or you are serving the Forces of Evil.”

  56. 68

    mark spews:

    Funny that democrats are the only ones who
    cant figure out how to register. You all must
    be so proud of your fellow democrats. I
    remember how much trouble you tards had just
    punching out a fucking chad. The best thing
    is the weak in society usually die off one way
    or another.

  57. 69

    delbert spews:

    @62

    Bad analogy there. ACORN is a third party in the voter/election office scenario.

    ACORN is the bum on the street with DTs talking to the EMT about your medical condition. It doesn’t help you, it wastes the EMT’s time, and costs a lot of taxpayer money.

    Wait, that’s not a bum, that’s Steve. I didn’t recognize him through the crusted vomit.

  58. 70

    mark spews:

    Did you tards see how well the “free” healthcare for kids program worked out in Hawaii? Jesus fucking christ you dems are stupid.

  59. 71

    Daddy Love spews:

    From ACORN:

    On Oct. 6, ACORN and Project Vote announced the conclusion of the most successful voter registration drive in history with more than 1.3 million new voters registered in 21 states in time for the 2008 Presidential election.

    “We met with unprecedented success in our efforts to ensure that all eligible applicants are on the voter rolls,” said Michael Slater, Executive Director of Project Vote.

    Slater said that the voter registration system in the United States – in which individual voters are responsible for getting on the rolls, unlike many European countries in which governments take responsibility for compiling voter lists – was designed to disenfranchise voters.

    Bertha Lewis, Interim Chief Organizer of ACORN, said that the majority of the voters registered in this drive are young, African-American, Latino, and low-income Americans – groups which are all historically underrepresented in elections.

    “Our voter registration drives are strengthening democracy,” said Lewis. “We see this as an opportunity to permanently change the face of the electorate. Politicians will have to listen to low-income and minority people.”

    The goal of ACORN and Project Vote’s voter registration drives, Lewis stated, is to empower low-income and minority communities by giving them a voice in the political process. ACORN hopes that expanding the electorate will result in more candidates who appeal to historically underrepresented voting populations.

    In addition to collecting and submitting voter registration applications, ACORN and Project Vote followed up with county boards of elections to make sure people made it onto the voter rolls. Beginning in August, ACORN began requesting lists of rejected and pending applications from county election boards and notified applicants there was a problem with their registration in order to attempt to fix the problem before the registration deadline. Oct. 6 is the deadline for registering to vote in the upcoming presidential election in most states.

    The government should AUTOMATCALLY register everyone who is eligible, with alternative registation channels for people the government does not know about.

  60. 73

    delbert spews:

    @66

    Nice research paper.

    Now if there is a plausible explanation for ACORN’s actions, let’s hear it…

    [crickets]

  61. 74

    Daddy Love spews:

    68 del

    I don’t agree that the analogy is “bad.” Doctors mediate between the medical establishment (consisting of knowledge, technologies, infrastructure, insurance carriers, governement regulations, and so on) and us, as ACORN “professionals” mediate between the governmental infrastructure around voter registration, for voters without the knowledge or confidence to navigate it themselves.

  62. 75

    Steve spews:

    @69 “Did you tards see how well the “free” healthcare for kids program worked out in Hawaii?”

    If they took what little money you have and gave healthcare to islamobrownpeoplecommiefascist terrorist kids, then it worked out just great.

  63. 76

    Daddy Love spews:

    72 del

    Take your hands off your ears.

    plausible explanation for ACORN’s actions

    ACORN is an organization running on donations and using a lot of volunteer labor. They hire people from the communities they are targeting (to put money into the comunity), who will work for very low wages (because ACORN deos not have lots of money to spend). Some of these people are not well-educated, and some (as is ineviable in any large organization) are incompetent or corrupt despite screening.

    As a result, some inaccurate and/or fraudulent registrations are mixed in among the valid, legal ones. The state laws require organizations such as this to turn in ALL registrations so that orgs can’t do things like throw away all the Republican (or Democratic) registrations. ACORN flags every problem registration. None of them results in a fradulent vote. Most ACORN reistraions are fine.

    That’s the plausible explanation, my friend.

  64. 79

    delbert spews:

    Heh. I asked for plausible, not unicorns and flowers coming out your ass.

    “because ACORN deos [sic] not have lots of money to spend”

    “Since ACORN is a private corporation, it does not divulge its finances. Further complicating any effort to calculate ACORN’s income is the fact that it operates an unknown number of front groups, many of which conceal their relationship to ACORN. But as of March 2006 ACORN claimed 175,000 member families on its website, each contributing at least $120 per year, which amounts to about $21 million in annual membership fees. ACORN’s website states, “Membership dues and a host of grassroots and chapter-based fundraising programs pay for 70 to 75 percent of the entire organization’s budget.” ”

    “In recent years, ACORN has received funding from many foundations, including but not limited to the Annie E. Casey Foundation; the Minneapolis Foundation; the Open Society Institute; the Public Welfare Foundation; the Surdna Foundation; the Woods Fund of Chicago; the Scherman Foundation; and the Ben and Jerry’s Foundation.”

    And Barry Obama’s campaign threw them $800k for “advance work”.

  65. 81

    headless lucy spews:

    re 37: I think we’ve amply demonstrated that the Republicans are not interested in honest elections. They are simply interested in winning by whatever means they can get away with — be they fair, foul, legal, or illegal.

  66. 85

    Right Stuff spews:

    If ACORN is so great and upstanding, why has Obama taken such great pains to hide his involvement and relationships with them?

    ACORN=vote fraud

    Erases any real good they might do…..

  67. 86

    Right Stuff spews:

    @80
    “I think we’ve amply demonstrated that the Republicans are not interested in honest elections. They are simply interested in winning by whatever means they can get away with — be they fair, foul, legal, or illegal.”

    Like registering the same person over 70 times? Did you hear the Cowboys roster is registered in 3 states? and now Mickey Mouse is registered too……

    Acorn=vote fraud

    @82 Internet tough guy

  68. 88

    Steve spews:

    @85 “@82 Internet tough guy”

    Geez, what a surprise, another America-hating, goatfucking, commie-fascist twit shows up at HA.

  69. 92

    Steve spews:

    @86 “wrong stuff only want rethuglicants to vote”

    He’s another America-hater. The internet tubes are full of these weirdos. Most of them fuck goats, you know. Others, like Delbert, get their kicks with a Dino Rossi blowup doll.

  70. 93

    YLB spews:

    Now if there is a plausible explanation for ACORN’s actions, let’s hear it…

    All ACORN did was to hire people to sign up folks to vote.

    Some of the people ACORN hired cut corners and didn’t do the work.

    This happens in just about every company or non-profit in this country. Are they all evil?

    While serious, there’s little chance of this leading to vote fraud.

    This is what’s evil to a wingnut:

    On Oct. 6, ACORN and Project Vote announced the conclusion of the most successful voter registration drive in history with more than 1.3 million new voters registered in 21 states in time for the 2008 Presidential election.

    The more people (legal of course) who participate, the more the Limbaugh-lovers lose.

  71. 94

    Steve spews:

    @90 “internet tough guy”

    What of it? It’s not like you’re going to do anything about it, you stupid goatfucking coward.

  72. 96

    YLB spews:

    The only thing more funny and disgusting than a Dino Rossi blow up doll is a Flush Limpblows blow-up doll.

    That’d crowd a wingnut off a king-sized bed.

    No that’s a substitute FOR a king-sized bed.

  73. 97

    Steve spews:

    @95 “Flush Limpblows blow-up doll”

    Rightstuff certainly has the hot air to blow that sucker up.

  74. 99

    Daddy Love spews:

    Irregular or even invalid voter registrations DO NOT EQUAL vote fraud

    States validate voter registrations every day of the year. They do not result in fraudulent votes. If you think they do, it is incumbent upon you to prove that hey do. Not a single solitary piece of eviddence has been presented so far that they do.

    On the other hand, there has been plenty of evidence presented to indicate that Republicans use concerns about voter registration to gin up hysteria over “vote fraud,” and pressured US attorneys to prosecute NONEXISTENT vote fraud for their own political gain. When honorable US attorneys refused to tak epart in this politicization of our public resources, they were fired.

    If you look for facts, it’s pretty fucking damning for Republicans.

  75. 100

    Right Stuff spews:

    @93 Once again…keep it up tough guy, you’re tough….
    you can type swear words….

  76. 101

    YLB spews:

    98 – Wingnuts are not interested in facts. An important distinctions between liars and bullshit artists: a liar knows what the truth is, a bullshitter doesn’t care what the truth is.

    Wingnuts are bullshitters.

  77. 102

    GBS spews:

    It’s completely disingenuous that those on the right get all up in arms over the sanctity of the “vote” and yet turn a complete deaf ear and blind eye to the congressional testimony of Monica Goodling when she confessed Karl Rove was involved in “voter caging” in Florida during the 2004 presidential election.

    The term caging comes for direct mail marketers. Basically, it means segregating mailing lists by geographical area.

    What area’s did they cage in Florida? Good question. Typically low-income black areas that had high concentrations of military service personnel.

    Why target black soldier? Great question. Because typically by race they vote Democrat and by military distinction they were overseas fighting in Iraq and couldn’t prove they weren’t a resident so their votes simply did not count when they were challenged by the Republicans who do not support the troops.

    Voter caging is illegal, but isn’t it curious to the right wing whack jobs that the Bush DOJ didn’t investigate this matter?????

    Normally, I’d say a big GO FUCK YOURSELF. But, you know what? Nothing to get angry about any more. The brilliance of our Liberal founding fathers wisdom is proving itself once again. And, as the Reagan Republicans watch the last glimmer of sunlight fade on their dynasty they’re becoming increasingly angry.

    I don’t’ blame you. In 2010 when you do not regain any part of congress and the wheels of progress generated by the Democrats rolls over the top of your rotting corpses, you’ll have to rethink your entire political agenda and America will be safe again for another 40 years at least.

    Thank you, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Paine and the rest of my Liberal founding fathers. Your wisdom will ensure that I’ll go to my grave knowing that Liberals are in charge of America’s prosperity again and we will not fail future generations of Americans like the Reagan Republicans did.

  78. 104

    YLB spews:

    99 – What’s wrong RS? Aren’t you going to keep running the right wing bullshit tape for our entertainment?

    Where’s the Ayers? How about the “Obama is a muslim” meme? What about mixing in some ACORN?

  79. 105

    Daddy Love spews:

    Yep. Even ranting that some ACORN-collecetd voter registrations are invalidaed, they still registered one fuck of a lot of low-income and minority legal voters who sure as shit aren’t gonna vote for grampy McSaGme.

    The funnniest part is, Obama doesn’t even need the extra voters to win.

    You can call Obama anything you want, but on November 5 you’re gonna be calling him “Mr. President-Elect.”

  80. 106

    Daddy Love spews:

    Obama has, among his other huge advantages, a nationwide networks of lawyers fighting GOP voter suppression.

  81. 107

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    I hope President Obama puts his U.S. Attorneys to work prosecuting GOP voting suppression operatives for civil rights crimes and election fraud.

  82. 108

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @87 “Geez, what a surprise, another America-hating, goatfucking, commie-fascist twit shows up at HA.”

    Nah, he’s been here before; he’s just one of our same old America-hating, goatfucking, commie-fascist twits.

  83. 109

    Steve spews:

    @105 “Obama has, among his other huge advantages, a nationwide networks of lawyers fighting GOP voter suppression.”

    On the other hand, McCain has RightStuff and his buddy, the Flush Limpblows blow-up doll.

  84. 111

    GBS spews:

    @ 104:

    “President-elect Obama” has a nice ring to it, doesn’t it?

    Yeah it does.

    Know what else sounds good? A filibuster proof majority preventing the Reagan Republicans from obstructing the progress of America.

    I cannot wait for Nancy Pelosi with her SAN FRANCISCO values grind out all sorts of WAY WAY left legislation, and Senate Majority leader Reid overriding the whiners, and President Obama signing all KINDS of Pelosi legislation into LAW.

    Oh, and I cannot WAIT for Hillary Rodham Clinton to be appointed to the Supreme Court of the United States of America.

    Yes, revenge is best served cold, and who could be colder than the woman who has put up with the more Reagan Republican bullshit than anyone else.

    Mmmmm . . . mmmmm. . . mmmmm!!!

    See ya wouldn’t wanna be ya!!

  85. 112

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Steve aka Rog Rabbit..
    Don’t you get tired of changing your identity??
    This is a clear example of ATHEIST LEFTIST thinking…
    You can post on HA using multiple identities..
    Then by God, you can vote twice or more too!

  86. 113

    GBS spews:

    Mr. Cynical:

    Don’t you know that 4 out of 2 people in Seattle vote Democat??

    Baaa haaa haaa haaa haaa.

    Hey, risky play on JRCC, but it looks like it paid off. Sure is odd that someone who was holding stocks for 1 year + to avoid capital gains is all of a sudden a contratian investor in one of the most volitale markets ever. We’ve never seen VIX as high as it is now.

    You bullshitting paper trader.

  87. 114

    Daddy Love spews:

    National polling
    Pollster.com:
    Obama 49.8% MccCain 43.1%

    RealClearPoliics.com:
    Obama 49.5% McCain 42.6%

    Electoral vote estimtes based on state-by-state polls
    Princeton Election Consortium:
    Obama: 364 McCain: 174

    Electoral-vote.com:
    Obama 352 McCain 171 Tied 15

    FiveThirtyEight.com:
    Obama 349.2 McCain 188.8

    Keep that yelling about voter registration up. Obama’s going to jam it down your stupid throats.

  88. 116

    Daddy Love spews:

    109 Steve

    They won’t be. They’re Republicans. As realtively admirable as they are.

  89. 119

    Steve spews:

    @110 “Yes, revenge is best served cold”

    I hear that Obama plans on rounding up all the nation’s treasonous goatfuckers and putting them in Gitmo for some aquatic thought correction therapy.

    @111 “Steve aka Rog Rabbit”

    Stupid goatfucker.

  90. 120

    headless lucy spews:

    re 86: You’ve never answered my question. How does a bogus voter registration translate into an illegal vote?

    And, if you can figure out a way to do it, how would that be done on a scale massive enough to affect an election?

    I refer you to this article:
    http://www.salon.com/news/feat ure/2008/10/15/voter_suppressi on/

    “Behind the GOP’s voter fraud hysteria
    As Republicans warn of catastrophe at the polls, an expert on election fraud explains the real partisan hoax — the suppression of Democratic votes.”
    By Andrew Burmon

  91. 123

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    More from AP on your upstanding man, Rep. Tim Mahoney (DEMOCRAT-Florida):

    Rep. Mahoney admits affairs, says he broke no laws
    By BRIAN SKOLOFF, Associated Press Writer Brian Skoloff, Associated Press Writer –


    U.S. Rep. Tim Mahoney, embroiled in an adultery scandal and a tight race for re-election, admitted Friday to having at least two affairs but insisted he broke no laws and will not resign. The first-term Democrat conceded that one of the affairs began as he was running on a family values platform to replace Mark Foley, a Republican who resigned amid revelations that he sent lurid Internet messages to male pages who had worked on Capitol Hill as teenagers.

    Mahoney, 52, apologized to his wife, his daughter and his constituents, even as he maintained he hadn’t been hypocritical.”

    Y’all must be real proud of Mahoney.
    He’s a real piece of work boy.
    I’m sure you ATHEIST KLOWNS see no problem with Mahoney’s actions or his response…after all, when you are your own God, you can justify anything!! Right ATHEIST KLOWNS??

  92. 125

    Steve spews:

    Of course, Cynical, there’s also the public toilet wing of the Republican party, guys like Bob Allen who solicited an undercover black cop in a Florida park toilet. He offered the cop $20 if he could blow him.

    http://blogs.orlandosentinel.c.....convi.html

    Yup, he’s a real piece of work, goat-boy. Y’all must be real proud of Bob Allen.

  93. 127

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    112. GBS spews:

    “Mr. Cynical:
    Hey, risky play on JRCC, but it looks like it paid off. Sure is odd that someone who was holding stocks for 1 year + to avoid capital gains is all of a sudden a contratian investor in one of the most volitale markets ever. We’ve never seen VIX as high as it is now.”

    GBS–aka Gutless Bastard Sackless

    I have made about 15 short-term trades. All profitable. I made my move all out of the market last year when it hit 14,000. Several of the guru’s I follow said at the time, “market trending downward long-term with increasing volatility”.
    That was clearly an all-out signal on my Long-term investments…comprende?

    I started doing the short-term plays about 6 months ago or so when the message was…
    “buy good stocks on big dips & sell into the rallies.”

    This ain’t genius stuff GBS.
    The only real questionable stock I traded was JRCC. BTW, thanks for the tip.
    Highly volatile…but with some underlying value.

    Right now, I’m sitting on Wells Fargo & Waste Management. I have a bunch of Max. CD’s outside my Retirement Fund coming due starting November 10th. It may be a perfect time to go nearly all in again. The CD’s are staggered every couple weeks for 3 months or so.

    BTW…
    I did some of my early ST trades outside my Retirement Account. When I became more confident, I realized that was dumb because I was paying 35% ST Capital Gains Tax.
    So the last 8 I’ve done in my Retirement Account. Will pay tax when I take it out…starting in a few years.

    You KLOWNS can be as doubting as you like…it probably makes you feel good, right? Better than being overcoming by jealousy…and remorse for not doing it yourself. I understand. Being Sackless is a recipe for staying just above water….treading like the Bastards you are. But why not be like Michael Phelps….and swim!

    Life is a series of decisions. I have been very conservative over the years. My $$ comes from a couple all in and all out stock market moves at the right time…and buying real estate back in the mid-70’s when it was cheap and being a landlord (often a pain in the ass).

    We all put our britches on one leg at a time. Some of us just have more “sack” than others.
    Comprende??

  94. 128

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    steve aka Rog Rabbit–
    This goat thingy you are obsessed with may have some baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad long-term side effects for you.

    When are pretend to be a rabbit, then show an obsession with goats…it’s kind of creepy.
    I’m just guessing steve aka Rog Rabbit…but it sounds like yer Mama was a goat and yer Daddy was a Rabbit. No wonder you are ill Rog.

  95. 129

    Steve spews:

    @126 Here’s a tip for ya straight from Ol’ Sigmund – your delusions have a lousy future.

  96. 132

    nps spews:

    Being a legal immigrant and an American citizen, I am ashamed of all these people, especially govt officials, judges who condone and promote fraud voter to register all over the U.S. and support the ACORN organization. By doing this, the U.S. is now the laughing stock worldwide! Where is the traditional American belief that made this country great? Unfortunately, the democrats, liberals, terrorists and anti-Americans are destroying that foundation. Wake up America, if we support this liberal ideals, Obama’s economic socialist plan and giving our hard-earned money to everybody who does not work for it, who else will be left? Have you seen poor people hire employees? Where will Obama get the money to give equality… Through taxpayers. I will believe him if Obama will give his salary,financial incentives and future pension to these poor people who are not paying taxes.

    Maybe I should start an organization that will boycott any products, businesses located in Ohio. I will tell every friends, relatives, customers, business associates to not do business with Ohio!