Senate extends Bush tax cuts

Apparently because our national debt and the long term stability of Social Security are our nation’s top priorities, the Senate just passed a Republican-crafted tax cut package that will make both dramatically worse.

Comments

  1. 1

    Mrs Cynical-I am not a goat! spews:

    Awww Goldy, how you do go on. For a more nuanced and adult outlook read the Seattle Times editorial about the “art of compromise” that this deal represents. The argument in favor of this “compromise” is so clear and obvious the Times editorial writer didn’t even find it necessary to mention the reduction in the estate tax portion of the legislation.

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....axcut.html

  2. 2

    spews:

    Leave it to me (again) to have to step in and tell you what Goldy isn’t telling you …

    From cnn.com …

    “The vote came hours after President Barack Obama urged lawmakers Wednesday to approve the deal, which the White House negotiated with Senate GOP leaders.
    “I am absolutely convinced that this tax cut plan, while not perfect, will help our economy and create jobs in the private sector,” Obama said. “It will help lift up middle-class families who will no longer have to worry about a New Year’s Day tax hike.”

    Let that sink in. ” … after President Barack Obama urged lawmakers Wednesday to approve the deal …”

    Goldy, YOU told us to vote for Obama.

    And we are STILL waiting for your apology.

  3. 3

    Xar spews:

    Well, at least they avoided the Republican Tax Hikes that were coming in January.

    I just wish that Democrats would start calling them what they are: Republican Tax Hikes on EVERYONE.

  4. 4

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Xar–
    36 R’s voted YES
    45 D’s voted YES
    The House is dominated by the Dems and Obama could veto this.
    How is this a Republican-crafted tax cut?
    Nice try=No Sale
    The fringe lunatic left is rudderless right now.
    You don’t have the courage to call out your “leadership” like the Tea Party did to the R’s.

    Apparently you like to bitch at R’s more than get anywhere.
    I can understand your great disappointment in Obama. He has lied to you repeatedly.
    Yet you bend over for the guy and defend him.
    Until some of you KLOWNS actually hold Obama accountable by running your own candidates, you will take it in the hinder again and again.
    Obama is desperate to get re-elected.
    You are his USEFUL IDIOTS…no matter what he does, bitch about the R’s!!!!!!!!!
    You look foolish today Goldy.
    Spin all you want…Obama is screwing you.
    Sniff-sniff.

  5. 5

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    The Bill is stuffed with earmarks that are worse than the Porkulous Bill.
    Watch the Tea Party go after the R’s who voted for this mess….while you idiots sit back and try to feel like you are somehow winning.
    This Bill also makes a lot of Dems accountable in 2012….and Obama.
    Obviously both parties have members who did not listen to the November message.

  6. 6

    Perfect Voter spews:

    Republican strategy on achieving compromise with the Democrats: “What’s mine is mine, and what’s yours is negotiable.”

    And the D’s let them get away with it!

  7. 7

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Let them get away with it??
    You’ve got it backwards BTW.
    It’s the Dems who want to take more of folks hard earned money & wealth and give it to whoever and for whatever.
    That is GREED at it’s worst.

  8. 8

    Rujax! Reminding MISTER Cynical-ASS-Klown that the jesus threw pricks like him out of the Temple. spews:

    7. Mr. Cynical spews:

    Let them get away with it??
    You’ve got it backwards BTW.
    It’s the Dems who want to take more of folks hard earned money & wealth and give it to whoever and for whatever.
    That is GREED at it’s worst.

    12/15/2010 at 10:57 am

    This fuck is so stupid he doesn’t know how stupid he is.

  9. 9

    headless lucy spews:

    re 4: An astroturf movement funded by the likes of the Cock brothers ‘called out’ the Republican leadership?

    You are funnier than Mallard Fillmore, but, then again, funerals are funnier than Mallard Fillmore.

  10. 12

    Blue John spews:

    Washington state Sens. Murray, Cantwell support Obama’s tax cut deal

    By Les Blumenthal
    McClatchy Newspapers

    WASHINGTON — Democrats Maria Cantwell and Patty Murray of Washington voted yes Monday as the Senate cleared the way for a final vote on an $858 billion tax package that will allow Washington residents to deduct the sales tax they paid on their 2010 and 2011 federal returns.

    That’s it? That’s all it took?
    I will work with the dems to get a better primary candidate for them. if that doesn’t’ work, and if the repubs can get their act together and nominate someone who is not a corporate shill three time loser, religious zelot or a whacked out tea bagger fanatic, I’ll vote for them.

    I do admire that about republicans. They stand up for their wrong headed, cruel, and/or corrupt principles regardless of who it hurts. Dems, on the other hand, give in to republican principles regardless of who it hurts, for chump change.

  11. 13

    Rujax! spews:

    12. Blue John spews:

    Washington state Sens. Murray, Cantwell support Obama’s tax cut deal

    12/15/2010 at 11:10 am

    Coudn’t have said it better Blue John. Senators must come cheap these days.

  12. 14

    headless lucy spews:

    I don’t think Conservatives can articulate what their principles are beyond some angry bellowing and finger pointing.

    I still like WFB, Jr’s definition of a conservative as a person who is like the goody two-shoes hall monitor in grade school who stands astride the yellow line and says to the other students: “No further, or I’ll tell on you!”

  13. 16

    Rujax! Reminding MISTER Cynical-ASS-Klown that the jesus threw pricks like him out of the Temple. spews:

    http://thinkprogress.org/2010/.....rdoch-tax/

    Rep. Weiner To Hannity: ‘You Want To Borrow For Rupert Murdoch’s Tax Break’

    The U.S. government will have to borrow more than $400 billion to pay for the Bush tax cut extension of the next two years, according to the congressional Joint Committee on Taxation.

    Fiscal responsibility MISTER-Cynical-ASS-Klown style.

  14. 17

    Michael spews:

    @5

    Tea Bagger Republicans voted for this!

    I mean, I with you to the extent of thinking that this was a bad bill. But, your beloved Tea People that were voted into office voted for it too. The Tea People are not a voice for reform.

  15. 18

    Salsamanca spews:

    More and more I feel like our government is functioning like one big shell game. The system is rigged. Same bullshit different day.

  16. 19

    spews:

    @18

    You’re referring to Gregoire and Hiringfreezegate, right? Her hiring new employees like crazy during a “hiring freeze,” while at the same threatening us with drastic cuts?

    I agree, she is operating a shell game.

  17. 20

    headless lucy spews:

    re 19: Pointing out that there are hypocrites other than you does not explain or excuse your own hypocrisy.

  18. 22

    Rujax! spews:

    http://firedoglake.com/2010/12.....investors/

    Tax Cuts for the Rich and Their Corporations Hurt Middle-Class Investors

    It isn’t just quantitative easing that hurts middle class investors, these tax cuts for the rich are a big problem. We know that the wealthy aren’t going to spend their tax cuts. They haven’t so far, and there is no reason to think that will change. They will invest it, as they have been doing. There is so much capital chasing financial investments that yields are down, and Wall Street is busy creating new ways to make money with money.

    The simple explanation is supply and demand. There is an ever increasing flood of money looking to buy a limited number of financial assets. That will, absent other factors, drive up prices for financial assets. The rich are there first, and as small investors try to buy in, they pay more for less. There are a number of reasons for this, discussed by Thomas Palley in this clear and sensible article. I am going to single out one. Tax cuts mean more cash chasing a relatively fixed pool of investments.

    More tax-cutty goodness!!!

  19. 23

    Steve spews:

    @4 “You don’t have the courage to call out your “leadership” like the Tea Party did to the R’s.”

    Courage? The politicians the teabaggers supported are dumpster diving for their own earmarks. So where are the teabaggers? We haven’t heard diddly squat from them since the election. We said it was Republican astroturf bullshit and that’s all it was.

  20. 24

    Rujax! spews:

    http://www.eschatonblog.com/20.....eople.html

    Wednesday, December 15, 2010

    Rich People

    The idea that the personal income tax rate has anything to do with whether corporations sitting on tons of cash might hire people is about as logical as the Chewbacca Defense, but since Republicans keep saying it we must take the idea seriously.

    But, for the record, what kind of awesome job creation did those Bush tax cuts give us?

    Total nonfarm employment increased from 132,469,000 in January of 2001 to 133,549,000 in January 2009. Just over one million jobs in 8 years, or 11,250 per month.

    -Atrios 12:23

    Tax cuts ARE the answer.

    But what IS the question!!!

  21. 25

    Don Joe spews:

    If it weren’t so fucking tragic, I’d be amused by the extent to which people don’t understand the concept of marginal tax rates. But, clearly, people, mostly on the right-hand side of the aisle, haven’t a fucking clue.

    It would be nice, however, if just one Republican would deign to explain why people making more than $250K a year should need additional tax rate reductions over and above the ones the would have gotten for income below $250K a year.

  22. 26

    rhp6033 spews:

    Cynical’s about to blow a gasket. He wants to brand this as Obama’s bill, so he can complain about it later.

    Cynical would like us to forget that the Democratic bill in the House, which approved by the House but subject to certain filibuster by the Republicans in the Senate, was for everyone who was making under $250K to get their tax cut renewed ($500K for married couples). The Republicans rejected the bill because it didn’t include the top 1% of Americans making over that amount, some 316,000 individuals.

    Republicans would rather everyone pay more taxes, as long as the wealthy financial interests they represent don’t have to go back to the rates which actually solved the U.S. budget deficits during the 1990’s.

    To make sure they got their way, Republicans promised to filibuster any extension of Unemployement Benefits. Some 3.5 million Americans would have found their last safety net jerked out from under them, only three weeks before Christmas. And since unemployement benefits help pay mortage payments, utilities, groceries, car payments, etc., all of those merchants and bankers would also be affected, virtually guaranteeing a double-dip rescession – if not an outright depression.

    So the Republicans made it clear that their priority was to allow 3.5 million people lose their last safety net, allow the U.S. economy to go into the toilet, all in order to protect some 316,000 of the wealthiest people in America afford yet another vacation home, or a European vaction, or just give them more cash to buy up the properties of those who just lost their homes because their unemployment benefits are cut.

    Along the way, they also insisted on an extension of the estate tax moratorium, so that they could be assured that their financial masters could inherit even more money tax-free from their ancestors, all while continuing to pretend that they deserve more wealth and benefits because they work harder, are smarter, or are more moral than the rest of us.

    The only reason why President Obama agreed to this was because… somebody had to be the adult in the room. If this compromise hadn’t been made, Congress would have recessed without taking any action, and on Jan. 1st the taxes on everyone would have gone up. The Republican House could have enacted a permanant tax extension, but it would have never passed the Senate. This tax increase actually wouldn’t have hurt the wealthy as badly as it would have hurt the middle-class, because for them it’s just discretionary income or digits on a balance sheet. For the working middle-class, it’s the difference between being able to repair or replace a ten-year old car, pay for a child’s college tuition at a state college, etc.

    Moreover, the unemployed would be trying to figure out how to keep their families together as they lose their homes, with no income with which to make the payments. The foreclosures would dramatically increase, adding further to housing deflation, under-water home values, and threatening yet another collapse of the banking and home-loan industry. Local grocers and other shop-keepers would shutter their stores as their customer base declines even further.

    So as much as I dislike the compromise, and especially the Republican tactics of holding the American economy hostage to get their tax breaks for the wealthy, I agree that it’s the only thing to do.

  23. 27

    spews:

    Just thought I’d check back to see if Goldy’s apologized yet for telling us to vote for Obama and Gregoire and McGinn? McGinn is now supporting a Seattle Center Chihuly exhibit.

    Goldy, apology please?

  24. 28

    Steve spews:

    “Just thought I’d check back to see if Goldy’s apologized yet for telling us to vote for Obama”

    Go stick your head up Palin’s ass and come back and tell us if you saw Russia. If not, you can apologize for your own lame self.

  25. 29

    headless lucy spews:

    I think that the development of a strong middle class in China, India, etc., will create a market for the better engineered and constructed American made goods.

    Why buy a Honda Interstate when you can afford a Harley-Davidson? Let’s face it, one of the main reasons for owning a bike is its value as a pussy-getter — a task that Harley has excelled at for many decades.

  26. 30

    proud leftist spews:

    Steve,
    Cynny does seem even more manic and mindless today than usual. I truly fear for that goat today. God, it’s such a sad situation. I believe that every time Cynny posts here about having made a trade, what he’s actually referring to is yet another visit to the goat shed.

  27. 31

    Steve spews:

    @26 “Republican tactics of holding the American economy hostage”

    They got what they wanted. If the “producers” don’t add a half million jobs in January, off with their fucking heads. We can start things off with the dumbfuck KLOWN and the rest of the asswipe trolls who pollute these threads.

  28. 32

    headless lucy spews:

    Harley-Davidson will eventually create a worldwide political force of big, dumb, violent fat guys that will encircle the globe on their yearly drive for Toys for Tots.

    The hot dog contest? Brilliant — in its own way.

  29. 33

    Xar spews:

    @4:

    Reading comprehension fail, Cyn.

    The bill that passed the Senate today is a DEMOCRATIC tax cut, or an Obama tax cut. If it doesn’t pass the House, then everyone in the United States will experience a REPUBLICAN tax hike in January. The only people who voted for the bill that created the looming 2011 tax hikes were Republicans (via reconciliation)–therefore, it would be a Republican tax hike. And it’s about time we started talking about that.

    The “job-killing” tax increases Congressional Republicans like to bleat about are solely the responsibility and result of REPUBLICAN actions and votes.

  30. 34

    Steve spews:

    @30 We can let the goat pull the guillotine lever when it’s the dumbfuck KLOWN’s turn. Then we can free that poor, hapless beast at last.

  31. 35

    Xar spews:

    @19:

    Are you really equating a state government hiring essential personnel to a Presidentially-authorized politically-motivated burglary?

    I understand that adding -Gate to the end of every ‘scandal’ is popular on the right (unless it’s one of theirs, of course, ignoring the party responsible for Watergate), but seriously. Apples and oranges. Just plain silly. And it undermines what little credibility you might have had.

  32. 37

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    How can R’s hold anyone hostage?
    The Dems have a supermajority in the House, almost a filibuster proof Senate and the VETO pen by Obama.
    You KLOWNS are mighty silly if you think that dawg will hunt.
    I can see your messiah is blameless in your eyes.

    BTW..The Tea Party candidates haven’t taken office yet assKLOWNS. They will the 1st week of January.
    This is why this was soooooo important for Obama to ram thru now.
    Do you think anyone read the Bill before they voted??

  33. 40

    Xar spews:

    @37: The key phrase in that was “almost a filibuster proof Senate.” The Senate allows minority rule, and the Republicans are willing to twiddle their thumbs while Rome burns to avoid giving Obama ANY victory. That’s why Democrats can’t get anything done.

    And when Rs are in power, Democrats aren’t willing to twiddle their thumbs. That’s the difference between the two parties.

  34. 41

    spews:

    @1 Mrs Cynical

    obama has it hard. when he caters to the left, he’s a socialst. when he compromises with the right, he lacks integrity. its a no win situation for the shmuck!

    @8 Rujax!

    maybe you should feed your brain to cynical? i’m sure it’ll count as a tax deductible donation! nothing says “democrat” quite like the endowed giving to the less fortunate.

    @16 Rujax!

    i would never claim bush as a fiscal conservative. but then, i’m not a republican either. ANARCHY!!! =D =D =D

    @26 rhp6033

    the republicans DO want everyone to pay more in taxes. its true. they’re all small government until they get into office. don’t let the tea party fool you, they LOVE taxes.

  35. 42

    Zotz sez: The microchip in Klynical's ass was transmitting 6... 6... 6... spews:

    @32: You’re in fine form today, Ms. Lucy.

  36. 43

    ArtFart isn't ready to be classified as a "useless eater" spews:

    Apparently, Patty Murray is starting to realize after the fact that she voted for something her constituents aren’t very happy about. This morning her office launched a Facebook post asking people to sign some sorry-ass “petition” imploring John Boehner and Mitch McConnell to pretty please with sugar on it rescind the tax cut for bazillionaires after the whole shitpile has passed and been signed into law.

    I can picture Speaker Spray-Tan and Senator Frog Face and their pals laughing their asses off when they see it.

  37. 44

    spyder spews:

    Troll, your continued asking that Goldy make an apology is pathetically stupid on so many levels, that it is staggering to behold. Indeed, you are demanding this in the name of “us,” which can only mean that you, of all people, took Goldy’s advice and voted for Obama, Gregoire, and all the other Dems. Since that seems utterly intolerable, regardless of your use of the pronoun “us” in your demand, one can easily surmise that you are making such a demand out of some rage and frustration of your own lack of any power. Would that you preferred the choice of John “i hold my positions for three minutes only” McCain, again an equally staggering stupidity, may we ask of you to not represent the communal “us’ in your insane demands? No one owes you an apology for your vote, and certainly, absolutely, not for ours. Get on with yourself.

  38. 45

    buyer's remorse spews:

    Apparently because our national debt and the long term stability of Social Security are our nation’s top priorities, the Senate just passed a Republican-crafted tax cut package that will make both dramatically worse.

    —-

    Didn’t sound nearly so dire to these groups:

    Senate: 81 yeas, 19 nays
    Cantwell: yea, Murray: yea
    Reid: “A major accomplishment”
    Obama: “I am absolutely convinced that this tax-cut plan, while not perfect, will help grow our economy and create jobs in the private sector”

  39. 46

    Puddybud identifying rujax liberal scientist deathfrog and zotz as fools! spews:

    Once again ylb@38 makes no sense…

    BTW..The Tea Party candidates haven’t taken office yet…
    And they’re already lining up at the trough.

    What a fool. This article was about last year’s numbers.

    According to a Hotline review of records compiled by Citizens Against Government Waste, the 52 members of the caucus, which pledges to cut spending and reduce the size of government, requested a total of 764 earmarks valued at $1,049,783,150 during Fiscal Year 2010, the last year for which records are available.

    Let’s see this years numbers!

    Do you actually read your material? NOPE cuz he’s a dope…

    Still stupid….

  40. 47

    Puddybud identifying rujax liberal scientist deathfrog and zotz as fools! spews:

    What’s so funny here is not the reduction in Federal Government Spending but the crying over supposed government borrowing.

    Why can’t the feds stops spending so much?

  41. 48

    Puddybud identifying rujax liberal scientist deathfrog and zotz as fools! spews:

    Hey you old fool Xar…

    This new Porkulus Bill had to be crafted behind closed doors cuz you don’t create 1924 page documents in this short of a time. Looks like Pelosi knew she was gonna lose and that’s why she didn’t pass a budget!

    Now we see the real shittiness of Pelosi and gang! They don’t care what the American public

  42. 51

    Puddybud identifying rujax liberal scientist deathfrog and zotz as fools! spews:

    You noticed them!

    HAHAHAHAHAHA

    Wait for Stupid Solution Steve…

    Twenty …

    Nineteen …

    Eighteen …

  43. 52

    buyer's remorse spews:

    @47

    You can’t please these clowns. Two years ago they were absolutely ecstatic over Obama and his message of hope and change – the last which they bought hook, line and sinker – and now they’re practically suicidal because of how badly that bet has gone.

    So much for their judgement.

  44. 53

    Don Joe spews:

    “Why can’t the feds stops spending so much?”

    Because there are too many Republicans in Congress–you know, the guys who crafted a federal budget that had no numbers in it.

  45. 54

    Xar spews:

    @48:

    Umm . . . old fool? I’m 29, so at the very least I’m a young fool. But I’m apparently better educated than you most issues, so what does that say about your foolishness?

    Where exactly did I talk about the new budget bill? On that topic, since you raised it, though, I would suggest that NO ONE can read the entire budget, and never has. It’s also pretty apparent that you’ve never experienced the budget process in D.C. (which I have, working for a Republican when they were in the majority, no less). It’s easy to bash a process that you don’t understand and don’t care to understand. Regardless, this budget isn’t Pelosi and her “gang.” It’s not even the House–this was produced by the SENATE appropriations committee, comprised of both Republicans and Democrats.

    Staff members cover specific budgetary areas and provide summaries, but no one has the time or capability to read several thousand pages of federal budget. Ever. Regardless of who’s in charge. That was equally true under Republican control, though I’m guessing you didn’t have a problem with that (or when Rs rammed through the PATRIOT Act without letting ANYONE read it). When it comes to the federal budget, what matters is that members understand the big picture, not where each individual dollar goes. Plus, there’s no way someone like Michelle Bauchman is going to make it through more than a page every couple of hours. We can’t take the time necessary to educate every ignorant person who tricks the public into voting for them.

  46. 55

    Xar spews:

    @48: Oh, and if you were rambling about the tax cut bill instead of the budget, well, that was written by Senate Republicans and the White House, so still not Pelosi and her “gang.”

  47. 56

    Blue John spews:

    Yeah, I’m pissed at Obama and the dems. But I know it would be so much worse if mcain/palin were in charge.

  48. 58

    headless lucy spews:

    My definition of a fool is someone who is against Roe v Wade and keeps voting Republican.

    That bus in never going to leave the station.

  49. 61

    Sam spews:

    @60

    Yes . . . for the last two years. What’s changed is Goldy and Co. have become even more shrill as things haven’t exactly gone as planned.

  50. 62

    Puddybud identifying rujax liberal scientist deathfrog and zotz as fools! spews:

    Wow Zar,

    Puddy was only talking about one thing, the $1.1 Trillion new Porkulus Bill. Apparently you couldn’t figger that out. Simple english trips you up!

  51. 63

    Puddybud identifying rujax liberal scientist deathfrog and zotz as fools! spews:

    The tax cut bill should have been taken care of back last October. Pelosi didn’t do it and now you all have the mess you see now. A gigantic, humongous, stupendous mess.

  52. 64

    Steve spews:

    “as things haven’t exactly gone as planned”

    Plan? The only fucking plan you have is to let the rich rape the country before they head off to Dubai as they laugh themselves silly at your enabling dumb ass.

  53. 66

    Rujax! spews:

    http://emptywheel.firedoglake......ax-breaks/

    Wal-Mart Hikes Toy Prices Just as Congress Gives the Waltons Huge Tax Breaks

    By: emptywheel Wednesday December 15, 2010 2:58 pm

    If there was ever any illusion that the super-rich would start acting nicer after Congress gave them both income and estate tax breaks, I present Wal-Mart’s thanks for Congress’ willingness to make the Walton family even richer: (h/t Consumerist)

    Wal-Mart managers in the U.S. received instructions to mark up an average of 1,800 types of toys per store, according to a company e-mail dated Nov. 30 obtained by Bloomberg News. The e- mail didn’t disclose specific increases.

    [snip]

    “In previous years Wal-Mart has come out and hammered everyone with unbelievably low toy prices,” said Eric Johnson, director of the Center for Digital Strategies at the Tuck School of Business at Dartmouth in Hanover, New Hampshire. “They stepped away from that this year, and after Thanksgiving their prices have crept back up.”

    In a year when kids keep begging Santa for bare necessities for Christmas, the Walton family has been made even richer by Obama and Congress. And the thanks Congress and the American people get is higher prices for toys.

    The jesus would jack prices too. He was TOUGH, that jesus.

  54. 67

    Salsamanca spews:

    And..to make matters worse was a ridiculous email petition from Patty Murray. After she voted yes on this bill asking for a petition to hold the Republicans accountable. Too little, too late-the horse has left the barn and she needs to be accountable for her own vote.

  55. 68

    Xar spews:

    @62: In that case, my first post (@54) pretty much summed up why you don’t know what you’re talking about. It was hard to tell which bill you were talking about though, since you chose to use a nonsense word to describe it, and were confused about who wrote it (and even which house of Congress it was in).

    You’re welcome.

  56. 69

    Don Joe spews:

    @68

    It might help you to know that Puddy thinks Alan Greenspan is a liberal–and tried to use the fact that Greenspan was one of Ayn Rand’s acolytes to prove his claim.

  57. 70

    Puddybud identifying rujax liberal scientist deathfrog and zotz as fools! spews:

    Xar,

    You blew it dude. The Porkulus II bill is another of those DUMBOCRAPTIC monstrosities straight from the dungeons of liberal thought! It’s full of liberal pork. It’s the last gasp of Nancy Pelosi, straight from the gates of hell!

  58. 71

    Puddybud identifying rujax liberal scientist deathfrog and zotz as fools! spews:

    Walmart might have had some decent toy prices on Black Friday, but a new report says that not only did those low prices not last — many of them went up.

    Ummm rujax, if you actually could think around your link… so did Target, Sears, K-Mart, Toys-R-Us, etc. It’s called a Black Friday sale for a reason. And there is a reason your fool at FDL “snipped” that. Did you go to buy something for l’il rujax and you failed at WalMart? If you actually paid attention all the electronic stores jacked their prices up the Black Friday afternoon!

    Keep passing the kook-aid rujax! Puddy will keep draining your swamp!

  59. 72

    Puddybud identifying rujax liberal scientist deathfrog and zotz as fools! spews:

    and were confused about who wrote it

    Really Zar? Puddy not confused. Everyone in WA DC knows this has Pelosi’s fingerprints on it even though it was “delivered” by Senate DUMBOCRATS. Everyone knows Harry Reid isn’t bright enough to guide the senate to create this monstrosity. It’s Pelosi’s last gasp trick!

    Let’s see Omnibus Spending Bills

    Generally, one bill is passed for each sub-committee of the U.S. House Committee on Appropriations.

    Source – WikiPedia

    Yes the Senate DUMBOCRATS wrote the bill as you claim and these DUMBOCRATS went against the US Constitution which says all US appropriation bills are generated by the House. Hence per your argument this is an illegal bill! There has to be collusion with the House and no one on the house side is saying anything about who generated it. Pelosi is all yes all over it.

    Now who are these leaders Xar?

    Follow the link Xar.

    If you had a brain you’d be dangerous!

  60. 73

    Liberal Scientist spews:

    Oh hey – Puddy’s here!
    Hey Pud, hadn’t seen you appear in a while – I see you’re still puffing and blustering about how everyone is stupid and cannot understand your brilliance.

    So…I never heard back from you – how did the Emperor Penguins get from Antarctica to Noah’s Ark?
    Did god let them fly?
    Did the Ark swing by their neighborhood and pick them up?
    Where are the genomic fingerprints of a near-extinction event in their DNA? (Such things exist in the Cheetah, which nearly went extinct about 10000 years ago – close, but about, what, 6000 years before the Ark? One would certainly expect this if only a breeding pair of a species survived a near-extinction event)

    What say you, Pud?

  61. 74

    seriously spews:

    when you go on strike, it hurts a bit. working families make do with no pay for a while, to build the strength to force concessions.

    this is what we should have done on taxes.

    let them rise. it’s about $500 a year for a moderate income family. yes, that’s a hurt in this economy, but, really, it’s doable.
    then the milloinares and billionaires would see their taxes go up $100K or $500K whatever.

    Nice!

    Then we hold them hostage. They scream for relief. We use our majority in the senate and our veto pen to block said relief and force them to come to terms.

    In the end, we get what we want. Cuts for the middle class and 39% for $250K and what the fuck, a special 5% surplus tax on anything over $4 million a year, whatev.

    Oh wait, that requires:
    1. backbone
    2. being a real political party with actual core beliefs, not just a bunch of weaklings who only get criticized in the blogosphere then relected by the so called liberals anyway.
    3. oh, my gosh, actually organizing actual poor people down at the unemployment office and the foreclosure courts. ooooooh how could the beltway elites stomach that? Imagine if Chris MAthews left his upper class coccon in DC and had a few guests from the employment line. Imagine if whenever he had a talking head from the right wing he said, “okay, you’re a congressman, you make what, $175K? so the tax hike would be $3K for you. why can’t you afford that?”

    They are about to pass two billion more much o which goes on the credit card issued by china to the usa. The rich have just used us again. They did it before with their financial bubbles — reaping profit off the top, leaving USA with the risk. Now, they get their tax cuts and estate tax giveaway, they get paid up front, while the risk of default passes to us, the people. Mainly to our kids. The one trillion addes $3000 in debt per person. thanks a lot Obama. And btw it’s not a republican crafted tax plan it’s an Obama tax plan. The rich don’t care, they get theirs up front, the money and debt is kicked down the road and your 25 year old kid when he’s thirty is going to see the bank of china come over here and tell us how to cut our budget because of this crap.

    I expect it of republicans. Stop blaming them. That’s like blaming a scorpion for stinging. I don’t expect it of the democrats. So if we don’t blame them and make them stop supporting republican ideas, we will soon have budget austerity like Ireland only rather than the EU telling us what to do it will be China. And the rich will laugh even more as we, the middle class and working class become slaves to pay the debt that financed the looting that went to the rich in the form of these new bailouts a/k/a “booty.”

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    Xar spews:

    @72:

    I don’t know how many times or differnt ways I can say this, Puddy. Omnibus budgets may usually come from the House, but this one was drafted by the SENATE APPROPRIATIONS committee, and was a joint Democrat/Republican project. Which is why both Democrats and Republicans support it. Last time I checked, no members of the House (including Pelosi) were on any Senate Committees, at least not in the real world (maybe in Puddy-world).

    You can keep talking about Pelosi and the House, but that ignores the fact that this particular bill came from the Senate and was bi-partisan. I guess you can choose to believe that Senate Republicans are in Pelosi’s pocket and are doing her bidding, but that seems deliberately ignorant. I guess you’re entitled to your own wrong opinions, though. You’re clearly not interested in the actual facts, which is a little sad.

    Anyway, you’ve been thoroughly debunked and exposed for your ignorance. My job is done. Feel free to keep mumbling though.

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    Don Joe spews:

    @75

    Anyway, you’ve been thoroughly debunked and exposed for your ignorance.

    Not to mention the way attention has now be diverted away from other important facts.

    #1 such fact: under the Democrats’ proposal, rich people would have benefitted the same tax breaks that everyone in the lower tax brackets would have received.

    #2 such fact: Everyone getting the same tax breaks wasn’t good enough for Republicans. They were going to block, in the Senate, any legislation that didn’t include special tax breaks available only to the very wealthy.

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    Xar spews:

    @76:

    Thank you for pointing those facts out. Its deeply frustrating that the conservative media’s ignored them.

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    ArtFart isn't ready to be classified as a "useless eater" spews:

    Xar…glad to have you with us. Your insights are appreciated.

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    ArtFart isn't ready to be classified as a "useless eater" spews:

    @67 “Republicans” and “accountable” in the same sentence? Murray should have known better.

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    Mr. Cynical spews:

    seriously spews–

    I expect it of republicans. Stop blaming them.

    That advice falls on deaf ears no matter what the facts are. It’s easier to pretend to be the victim for the Left…even though they are in charge Nationally, statewide & locally.
    Blame Bush & the Republicans is a recipe for self-destruction.

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    Mr. Cynical spews:

    What an excellent Question the Judge asked of the IMAMOBAMAO Dept of No Justice–

    Does the federal government have the power to make you eat broccoli so that every American can be healthier? That’s a devil’s advocate question — one of many, and one of the more amusing ones — posed today by US District Judge Roger Vinson inside his Pensacola, Fla. courtroom.

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    Puddybud identifying rujax liberal scientist deathfrog and zotz as fools! spews:

    They were going to block, in the Senate, any legislation that didn’t include special tax breaks available only to the very wealthy.

    What? Where is this Don Joe? Display the exact wording…

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    Puddybud identifying rujax liberal scientist deathfrog and zotz as fools! spews:

    Now back to Xar…

    Where did Puddy say Pelosi is in the Senate? Puddy said the common wisdom in WA DC is Pelosi’s dirty finger prints are all over the bill.

    You can’t read either.