Apparently because our national debt and the long term stability of Social Security are our nation’s top priorities, the Senate just passed a Republican-crafted tax cut package that will make both dramatically worse.
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Awww Goldy, how you do go on. For a more nuanced and adult outlook read the Seattle Times editorial about the “art of compromise” that this deal represents. The argument in favor of this “compromise” is so clear and obvious the Times editorial writer didn’t even find it necessary to mention the reduction in the estate tax portion of the legislation.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....axcut.html
Leave it to me (again) to have to step in and tell you what Goldy isn’t telling you …
From cnn.com …
“The vote came hours after President Barack Obama urged lawmakers Wednesday to approve the deal, which the White House negotiated with Senate GOP leaders.
“I am absolutely convinced that this tax cut plan, while not perfect, will help our economy and create jobs in the private sector,” Obama said. “It will help lift up middle-class families who will no longer have to worry about a New Year’s Day tax hike.”
Let that sink in. ” … after President Barack Obama urged lawmakers Wednesday to approve the deal …”
Goldy, YOU told us to vote for Obama.
And we are STILL waiting for your apology.
Well, at least they avoided the Republican Tax Hikes that were coming in January.
I just wish that Democrats would start calling them what they are: Republican Tax Hikes on EVERYONE.
Xar–
36 R’s voted YES
45 D’s voted YES
The House is dominated by the Dems and Obama could veto this.
How is this a Republican-crafted tax cut?
Nice try=No Sale
The fringe lunatic left is rudderless right now.
You don’t have the courage to call out your “leadership” like the Tea Party did to the R’s.
Apparently you like to bitch at R’s more than get anywhere.
I can understand your great disappointment in Obama. He has lied to you repeatedly.
Yet you bend over for the guy and defend him.
Until some of you KLOWNS actually hold Obama accountable by running your own candidates, you will take it in the hinder again and again.
Obama is desperate to get re-elected.
You are his USEFUL IDIOTS…no matter what he does, bitch about the R’s!!!!!!!!!
You look foolish today Goldy.
Spin all you want…Obama is screwing you.
Sniff-sniff.
The Bill is stuffed with earmarks that are worse than the Porkulous Bill.
Watch the Tea Party go after the R’s who voted for this mess….while you idiots sit back and try to feel like you are somehow winning.
This Bill also makes a lot of Dems accountable in 2012….and Obama.
Obviously both parties have members who did not listen to the November message.
Republican strategy on achieving compromise with the Democrats: “What’s mine is mine, and what’s yours is negotiable.”
And the D’s let them get away with it!
Let them get away with it??
You’ve got it backwards BTW.
It’s the Dems who want to take more of folks hard earned money & wealth and give it to whoever and for whatever.
That is GREED at it’s worst.
This fuck is so stupid he doesn’t know how stupid he is.
re 4: An astroturf movement funded by the likes of the Cock brothers ‘called out’ the Republican leadership?
You are funnier than Mallard Fillmore, but, then again, funerals are funnier than Mallard Fillmore.
@8 He’s just a bitter dumbfuck KLOWN who fucks goats in the shed behind his double-wide.
He’s kind of hyper this morning. That’s probably bad news for the goat.
Washington state Sens. Murray, Cantwell support Obama’s tax cut deal
That’s it? That’s all it took?
I will work with the dems to get a better primary candidate for them. if that doesn’t’ work, and if the repubs can get their act together and nominate someone who is not a corporate shill three time loser, religious zelot or a whacked out tea bagger fanatic, I’ll vote for them.
I do admire that about republicans. They stand up for their wrong headed, cruel, and/or corrupt principles regardless of who it hurts. Dems, on the other hand, give in to republican principles regardless of who it hurts, for chump change.
Coudn’t have said it better Blue John. Senators must come cheap these days.
I don’t think Conservatives can articulate what their principles are beyond some angry bellowing and finger pointing.
I still like WFB, Jr’s definition of a conservative as a person who is like the goody two-shoes hall monitor in grade school who stands astride the yellow line and says to the other students: “No further, or I’ll tell on you!”
Senate extends Bush tax cuts
More like,
Senate votes to keep current tax rates
just sayin
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/.....rdoch-tax/
Fiscal responsibility MISTER-Cynical-ASS-Klown style.
@5
Tea Bagger Republicans voted for this!
I mean, I with you to the extent of thinking that this was a bad bill. But, your beloved Tea People that were voted into office voted for it too. The Tea People are not a voice for reform.
More and more I feel like our government is functioning like one big shell game. The system is rigged. Same bullshit different day.
@18
You’re referring to Gregoire and Hiringfreezegate, right? Her hiring new employees like crazy during a “hiring freeze,” while at the same threatening us with drastic cuts?
I agree, she is operating a shell game.
re 19: Pointing out that there are hypocrites other than you does not explain or excuse your own hypocrisy.
@15 Word games. You can do better than that.
http://firedoglake.com/2010/12.....investors/
More tax-cutty goodness!!!
@4 “You don’t have the courage to call out your “leadership” like the Tea Party did to the R’s.”
Courage? The politicians the teabaggers supported are dumpster diving for their own earmarks. So where are the teabaggers? We haven’t heard diddly squat from them since the election. We said it was Republican astroturf bullshit and that’s all it was.
http://www.eschatonblog.com/20.....eople.html
Tax cuts ARE the answer.
But what IS the question!!!
If it weren’t so fucking tragic, I’d be amused by the extent to which people don’t understand the concept of marginal tax rates. But, clearly, people, mostly on the right-hand side of the aisle, haven’t a fucking clue.
It would be nice, however, if just one Republican would deign to explain why people making more than $250K a year should need additional tax rate reductions over and above the ones the would have gotten for income below $250K a year.
Cynical’s about to blow a gasket. He wants to brand this as Obama’s bill, so he can complain about it later.
Cynical would like us to forget that the Democratic bill in the House, which approved by the House but subject to certain filibuster by the Republicans in the Senate, was for everyone who was making under $250K to get their tax cut renewed ($500K for married couples). The Republicans rejected the bill because it didn’t include the top 1% of Americans making over that amount, some 316,000 individuals.
Republicans would rather everyone pay more taxes, as long as the wealthy financial interests they represent don’t have to go back to the rates which actually solved the U.S. budget deficits during the 1990’s.
To make sure they got their way, Republicans promised to filibuster any extension of Unemployement Benefits. Some 3.5 million Americans would have found their last safety net jerked out from under them, only three weeks before Christmas. And since unemployement benefits help pay mortage payments, utilities, groceries, car payments, etc., all of those merchants and bankers would also be affected, virtually guaranteeing a double-dip rescession – if not an outright depression.
So the Republicans made it clear that their priority was to allow 3.5 million people lose their last safety net, allow the U.S. economy to go into the toilet, all in order to protect some 316,000 of the wealthiest people in America afford yet another vacation home, or a European vaction, or just give them more cash to buy up the properties of those who just lost their homes because their unemployment benefits are cut.
Along the way, they also insisted on an extension of the estate tax moratorium, so that they could be assured that their financial masters could inherit even more money tax-free from their ancestors, all while continuing to pretend that they deserve more wealth and benefits because they work harder, are smarter, or are more moral than the rest of us.
The only reason why President Obama agreed to this was because… somebody had to be the adult in the room. If this compromise hadn’t been made, Congress would have recessed without taking any action, and on Jan. 1st the taxes on everyone would have gone up. The Republican House could have enacted a permanant tax extension, but it would have never passed the Senate. This tax increase actually wouldn’t have hurt the wealthy as badly as it would have hurt the middle-class, because for them it’s just discretionary income or digits on a balance sheet. For the working middle-class, it’s the difference between being able to repair or replace a ten-year old car, pay for a child’s college tuition at a state college, etc.
Moreover, the unemployed would be trying to figure out how to keep their families together as they lose their homes, with no income with which to make the payments. The foreclosures would dramatically increase, adding further to housing deflation, under-water home values, and threatening yet another collapse of the banking and home-loan industry. Local grocers and other shop-keepers would shutter their stores as their customer base declines even further.
So as much as I dislike the compromise, and especially the Republican tactics of holding the American economy hostage to get their tax breaks for the wealthy, I agree that it’s the only thing to do.
Just thought I’d check back to see if Goldy’s apologized yet for telling us to vote for Obama and Gregoire and McGinn? McGinn is now supporting a Seattle Center Chihuly exhibit.
Goldy, apology please?
“Just thought I’d check back to see if Goldy’s apologized yet for telling us to vote for Obama”
Go stick your head up Palin’s ass and come back and tell us if you saw Russia. If not, you can apologize for your own lame self.
I think that the development of a strong middle class in China, India, etc., will create a market for the better engineered and constructed American made goods.
Why buy a Honda Interstate when you can afford a Harley-Davidson? Let’s face it, one of the main reasons for owning a bike is its value as a pussy-getter — a task that Harley has excelled at for many decades.
Steve,
Cynny does seem even more manic and mindless today than usual. I truly fear for that goat today. God, it’s such a sad situation. I believe that every time Cynny posts here about having made a trade, what he’s actually referring to is yet another visit to the goat shed.
@26 “Republican tactics of holding the American economy hostage”
They got what they wanted. If the “producers” don’t add a half million jobs in January, off with their fucking heads. We can start things off with the dumbfuck KLOWN and the rest of the asswipe trolls who pollute these threads.
Harley-Davidson will eventually create a worldwide political force of big, dumb, violent fat guys that will encircle the globe on their yearly drive for Toys for Tots.
The hot dog contest? Brilliant — in its own way.
@4:
Reading comprehension fail, Cyn.
The bill that passed the Senate today is a DEMOCRATIC tax cut, or an Obama tax cut. If it doesn’t pass the House, then everyone in the United States will experience a REPUBLICAN tax hike in January. The only people who voted for the bill that created the looming 2011 tax hikes were Republicans (via reconciliation)–therefore, it would be a Republican tax hike. And it’s about time we started talking about that.
The “job-killing” tax increases Congressional Republicans like to bleat about are solely the responsibility and result of REPUBLICAN actions and votes.
@30 We can let the goat pull the guillotine lever when it’s the dumbfuck KLOWN’s turn. Then we can free that poor, hapless beast at last.
@19:
Are you really equating a state government hiring essential personnel to a Presidentially-authorized politically-motivated burglary?
I understand that adding -Gate to the end of every ‘scandal’ is popular on the right (unless it’s one of theirs, of course, ignoring the party responsible for Watergate), but seriously. Apples and oranges. Just plain silly. And it undermines what little credibility you might have had.
I have one more to add to the list.
Comment#35gate.
How can R’s hold anyone hostage?
The Dems have a supermajority in the House, almost a filibuster proof Senate and the VETO pen by Obama.
You KLOWNS are mighty silly if you think that dawg will hunt.
I can see your messiah is blameless in your eyes.
BTW..The Tea Party candidates haven’t taken office yet assKLOWNS. They will the 1st week of January.
This is why this was soooooo important for Obama to ram thru now.
Do you think anyone read the Bill before they voted??
This is a great moment for the country.
As the last 8 years before Jan 2009 clearly showed – tax cuts do wonders for the economy.
And they’re already lining up at the trough.
http://hotlineoncall.nationalj.....-caucu.php
Right wing hypocrisy. Same as it ever was…
@38…
Motherfucker @37 can’t hide anymore.
This is gonna be juicy!!!
@37: The key phrase in that was “almost a filibuster proof Senate.” The Senate allows minority rule, and the Republicans are willing to twiddle their thumbs while Rome burns to avoid giving Obama ANY victory. That’s why Democrats can’t get anything done.
And when Rs are in power, Democrats aren’t willing to twiddle their thumbs. That’s the difference between the two parties.
@1 Mrs Cynical
obama has it hard. when he caters to the left, he’s a socialst. when he compromises with the right, he lacks integrity. its a no win situation for the shmuck!
@8 Rujax!
maybe you should feed your brain to cynical? i’m sure it’ll count as a tax deductible donation! nothing says “democrat” quite like the endowed giving to the less fortunate.
@16 Rujax!
i would never claim bush as a fiscal conservative. but then, i’m not a republican either. ANARCHY!!! =D =D =D
@26 rhp6033
the republicans DO want everyone to pay more in taxes. its true. they’re all small government until they get into office. don’t let the tea party fool you, they LOVE taxes.
@32: You’re in fine form today, Ms. Lucy.
Apparently, Patty Murray is starting to realize after the fact that she voted for something her constituents aren’t very happy about. This morning her office launched a Facebook post asking people to sign some sorry-ass “petition” imploring John Boehner and Mitch McConnell to pretty please with sugar on it rescind the tax cut for bazillionaires after the whole shitpile has passed and been signed into law.
I can picture Speaker Spray-Tan and Senator Frog Face and their pals laughing their asses off when they see it.
Troll, your continued asking that Goldy make an apology is pathetically stupid on so many levels, that it is staggering to behold. Indeed, you are demanding this in the name of “us,” which can only mean that you, of all people, took Goldy’s advice and voted for Obama, Gregoire, and all the other Dems. Since that seems utterly intolerable, regardless of your use of the pronoun “us” in your demand, one can easily surmise that you are making such a demand out of some rage and frustration of your own lack of any power. Would that you preferred the choice of John “i hold my positions for three minutes only” McCain, again an equally staggering stupidity, may we ask of you to not represent the communal “us’ in your insane demands? No one owes you an apology for your vote, and certainly, absolutely, not for ours. Get on with yourself.
Apparently because our national debt and the long term stability of Social Security are our nation’s top priorities, the Senate just passed a Republican-crafted tax cut package that will make both dramatically worse.
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Didn’t sound nearly so dire to these groups:
Senate: 81 yeas, 19 nays
Cantwell: yea, Murray: yea
Reid: “A major accomplishment”
Obama: “I am absolutely convinced that this tax-cut plan, while not perfect, will help grow our economy and create jobs in the private sector”
Once again ylb@38 makes no sense…
What a fool. This article was about last year’s numbers.
Let’s see this years numbers!
Do you actually read your material? NOPE cuz he’s a dope…
Still stupid….
What’s so funny here is not the reduction in Federal Government Spending but the crying over supposed government borrowing.
Why can’t the feds stops spending so much?
Hey you old fool Xar…
This new Porkulus Bill had to be crafted behind closed doors cuz you don’t create 1924 page documents in this short of a time. Looks like Pelosi knew she was gonna lose and that’s why she didn’t pass a budget!
Now we see the real shittiness of Pelosi and gang! They don’t care what the American public
@47 don’t you hate when your most intelligent thoughts go unnoticed?
thinks!
You noticed them!
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Wait for Stupid Solution Steve…
Twenty …
Nineteen …
Eighteen …
@47
You can’t please these clowns. Two years ago they were absolutely ecstatic over Obama and his message of hope and change – the last which they bought hook, line and sinker – and now they’re practically suicidal because of how badly that bet has gone.
So much for their judgement.
“Why can’t the feds stops spending so much?”
Because there are too many Republicans in Congress–you know, the guys who crafted a federal budget that had no numbers in it.
@48:
Umm . . . old fool? I’m 29, so at the very least I’m a young fool. But I’m apparently better educated than you most issues, so what does that say about your foolishness?
Where exactly did I talk about the new budget bill? On that topic, since you raised it, though, I would suggest that NO ONE can read the entire budget, and never has. It’s also pretty apparent that you’ve never experienced the budget process in D.C. (which I have, working for a Republican when they were in the majority, no less). It’s easy to bash a process that you don’t understand and don’t care to understand. Regardless, this budget isn’t Pelosi and her “gang.” It’s not even the House–this was produced by the SENATE appropriations committee, comprised of both Republicans and Democrats.
Staff members cover specific budgetary areas and provide summaries, but no one has the time or capability to read several thousand pages of federal budget. Ever. Regardless of who’s in charge. That was equally true under Republican control, though I’m guessing you didn’t have a problem with that (or when Rs rammed through the PATRIOT Act without letting ANYONE read it). When it comes to the federal budget, what matters is that members understand the big picture, not where each individual dollar goes. Plus, there’s no way someone like Michelle Bauchman is going to make it through more than a page every couple of hours. We can’t take the time necessary to educate every ignorant person who tricks the public into voting for them.
@48: Oh, and if you were rambling about the tax cut bill instead of the budget, well, that was written by Senate Republicans and the White House, so still not Pelosi and her “gang.”
Yeah, I’m pissed at Obama and the dems. But I know it would be so much worse if mcain/palin were in charge.
@ 54
I’d be surprised if Michelle Bachman even knows that parentheses are used to denote negative numbers.
My definition of a fool is someone who is against Roe v Wade and keeps voting Republican.
That bus in never going to leave the station.
re 54: And I’m only 39 — just like Jack Benny.
“Oh, ROCHESTER!!!”
does anybody get the feeling every thread is essentially the same argument, repeated?
@60
Yes . . . for the last two years. What’s changed is Goldy and Co. have become even more shrill as things haven’t exactly gone as planned.
Wow Zar,
Puddy was only talking about one thing, the $1.1 Trillion new Porkulus Bill. Apparently you couldn’t figger that out. Simple english trips you up!
The tax cut bill should have been taken care of back last October. Pelosi didn’t do it and now you all have the mess you see now. A gigantic, humongous, stupendous mess.
“as things haven’t exactly gone as planned”
Plan? The only fucking plan you have is to let the rich rape the country before they head off to Dubai as they laugh themselves silly at your enabling dumb ass.
@51 STFU and take your meds.
http://emptywheel.firedoglake......ax-breaks/
The jesus would jack prices too. He was TOUGH, that jesus.
And..to make matters worse was a ridiculous email petition from Patty Murray. After she voted yes on this bill asking for a petition to hold the Republicans accountable. Too little, too late-the horse has left the barn and she needs to be accountable for her own vote.
@62: In that case, my first post (@54) pretty much summed up why you don’t know what you’re talking about. It was hard to tell which bill you were talking about though, since you chose to use a nonsense word to describe it, and were confused about who wrote it (and even which house of Congress it was in).
You’re welcome.
@68
It might help you to know that Puddy thinks Alan Greenspan is a liberal–and tried to use the fact that Greenspan was one of Ayn Rand’s acolytes to prove his claim.
Xar,
You blew it dude. The Porkulus II bill is another of those DUMBOCRAPTIC monstrosities straight from the dungeons of liberal thought! It’s full of liberal pork. It’s the last gasp of Nancy Pelosi, straight from the gates of hell!
Ummm rujax, if you actually could think around your link… so did Target, Sears, K-Mart, Toys-R-Us, etc. It’s called a Black Friday sale for a reason. And there is a reason your fool at FDL “snipped” that. Did you go to buy something for l’il rujax and you failed at WalMart? If you actually paid attention all the electronic stores jacked their prices up the Black Friday afternoon!
Keep passing the kook-aid rujax! Puddy will keep draining your swamp!
Really Zar? Puddy not confused. Everyone in WA DC knows this has Pelosi’s fingerprints on it even though it was “delivered” by Senate DUMBOCRATS. Everyone knows Harry Reid isn’t bright enough to guide the senate to create this monstrosity. It’s Pelosi’s last gasp trick!
Let’s see Omnibus Spending Bills
Source – WikiPedia
Yes the Senate DUMBOCRATS wrote the bill as you claim and these DUMBOCRATS went against the US Constitution which says all US appropriation bills are generated by the House. Hence per your argument this is an illegal bill! There has to be collusion with the House and no one on the house side is saying anything about who generated it. Pelosi is all yes all over it.
Now who are these leaders Xar?
Follow the link Xar.
If you had a brain you’d be dangerous!
Oh hey – Puddy’s here!
Hey Pud, hadn’t seen you appear in a while – I see you’re still puffing and blustering about how everyone is stupid and cannot understand your brilliance.
So…I never heard back from you – how did the Emperor Penguins get from Antarctica to Noah’s Ark?
Did god let them fly?
Did the Ark swing by their neighborhood and pick them up?
Where are the genomic fingerprints of a near-extinction event in their DNA? (Such things exist in the Cheetah, which nearly went extinct about 10000 years ago – close, but about, what, 6000 years before the Ark? One would certainly expect this if only a breeding pair of a species survived a near-extinction event)
What say you, Pud?
when you go on strike, it hurts a bit. working families make do with no pay for a while, to build the strength to force concessions.
this is what we should have done on taxes.
let them rise. it’s about $500 a year for a moderate income family. yes, that’s a hurt in this economy, but, really, it’s doable.
then the milloinares and billionaires would see their taxes go up $100K or $500K whatever.
Nice!
Then we hold them hostage. They scream for relief. We use our majority in the senate and our veto pen to block said relief and force them to come to terms.
In the end, we get what we want. Cuts for the middle class and 39% for $250K and what the fuck, a special 5% surplus tax on anything over $4 million a year, whatev.
Oh wait, that requires:
1. backbone
2. being a real political party with actual core beliefs, not just a bunch of weaklings who only get criticized in the blogosphere then relected by the so called liberals anyway.
3. oh, my gosh, actually organizing actual poor people down at the unemployment office and the foreclosure courts. ooooooh how could the beltway elites stomach that? Imagine if Chris MAthews left his upper class coccon in DC and had a few guests from the employment line. Imagine if whenever he had a talking head from the right wing he said, “okay, you’re a congressman, you make what, $175K? so the tax hike would be $3K for you. why can’t you afford that?”
They are about to pass two billion more much o which goes on the credit card issued by china to the usa. The rich have just used us again. They did it before with their financial bubbles — reaping profit off the top, leaving USA with the risk. Now, they get their tax cuts and estate tax giveaway, they get paid up front, while the risk of default passes to us, the people. Mainly to our kids. The one trillion addes $3000 in debt per person. thanks a lot Obama. And btw it’s not a republican crafted tax plan it’s an Obama tax plan. The rich don’t care, they get theirs up front, the money and debt is kicked down the road and your 25 year old kid when he’s thirty is going to see the bank of china come over here and tell us how to cut our budget because of this crap.
I expect it of republicans. Stop blaming them. That’s like blaming a scorpion for stinging. I don’t expect it of the democrats. So if we don’t blame them and make them stop supporting republican ideas, we will soon have budget austerity like Ireland only rather than the EU telling us what to do it will be China. And the rich will laugh even more as we, the middle class and working class become slaves to pay the debt that financed the looting that went to the rich in the form of these new bailouts a/k/a “booty.”
@72:
I don’t know how many times or differnt ways I can say this, Puddy. Omnibus budgets may usually come from the House, but this one was drafted by the SENATE APPROPRIATIONS committee, and was a joint Democrat/Republican project. Which is why both Democrats and Republicans support it. Last time I checked, no members of the House (including Pelosi) were on any Senate Committees, at least not in the real world (maybe in Puddy-world).
You can keep talking about Pelosi and the House, but that ignores the fact that this particular bill came from the Senate and was bi-partisan. I guess you can choose to believe that Senate Republicans are in Pelosi’s pocket and are doing her bidding, but that seems deliberately ignorant. I guess you’re entitled to your own wrong opinions, though. You’re clearly not interested in the actual facts, which is a little sad.
Anyway, you’ve been thoroughly debunked and exposed for your ignorance. My job is done. Feel free to keep mumbling though.
@75
Anyway, you’ve been thoroughly debunked and exposed for your ignorance.
Not to mention the way attention has now be diverted away from other important facts.
#1 such fact: under the Democrats’ proposal, rich people would have benefitted the same tax breaks that everyone in the lower tax brackets would have received.
#2 such fact: Everyone getting the same tax breaks wasn’t good enough for Republicans. They were going to block, in the Senate, any legislation that didn’t include special tax breaks available only to the very wealthy.
@76:
Thank you for pointing those facts out. Its deeply frustrating that the conservative media’s ignored them.
Xar…glad to have you with us. Your insights are appreciated.
@67 “Republicans” and “accountable” in the same sentence? Murray should have known better.
74. seriously. Nice post.
seriously spews–
That advice falls on deaf ears no matter what the facts are. It’s easier to pretend to be the victim for the Left…even though they are in charge Nationally, statewide & locally.
Blame Bush & the Republicans is a recipe for self-destruction.
What an excellent Question the Judge asked of the IMAMOBAMAO Dept of No Justice–
Does the federal government have the power to make you eat broccoli so that every American can be healthier? That’s a devil’s advocate question — one of many, and one of the more amusing ones — posed today by US District Judge Roger Vinson inside his Pensacola, Fla. courtroom.
What? Where is this Don Joe? Display the exact wording…
Now back to Xar…
Where did Puddy say Pelosi is in the Senate? Puddy said the common wisdom in WA DC is Pelosi’s dirty finger prints are all over the bill.
You can’t read either.