* They counted 1,250 Seattlites of their 5,004 voters. That counts Seattle as 25% of the region instead of 20% as it is. And, in turnouts, Seattle performed worse than other areas.
* Their “rest of King County” did not show where they came up with those 1,998 voters. Were they all in Federal Way or Bothel? It’s a big county.
* They only counted 646 Snohomish County voters, half as many as Seattle voters, when far more Snohomish County folks voted than Seattle folks.
Even if this poll is shoddy, people do care about global warming. Do they care enough to trade in their comfortable, convenient, privately-owned automobile for a city bus?
I commuted to downtown Seattle by bus for years, and the bus was always standing-room-only.
Do they care enough to trade in their comfortable, convenient, privately-owned automobile for a city bus?
NO.
This election defeat should have shown you that your little dream of a Seattle liberal utopia is as mythical as Xanadu and sinking faster than Atlantis.
Daimajin did the math wrong.
RTA District (Portions of King, Pierce & Snohomish Counties) = 381,860 ballots cast to date
http://vote.wa.gov/elections/W.....Prop1.aspx
Seattle = 94,848 ballots cast to date
http://www.metrokc.gov/electio.....Page17.htm
That works out to be 24.84%. The RT Strategies survey had it at 24.98%.
Seems pretty close to me.
How are you coming up with 20%?
“far more Snohomish County folks voted than Seattle folks.”
Strike two.
It’s a pretty easy statement to fact check. Let’s go to the fabulous interwebs…
Snohomish County General Election Results
SOUND TRANSIT (RTA)
Total 62,728
http://www.snoco.org/elections.....urrent.htm
King County General Election Returns (City of Seattle)
Total 94,848
http://www.metrokc.gov/electio.....Page17.htm
Wow – Will’s buddy daimajin wasn’t even close to being right. In fact there were a lot MORE votes out of Seattle than Snohomish Co in the Prop 1 election.
Maybe you guys were confused that the entirety of Snohomish County was not in the RTA district…
YES – WHAT A BUNCH OF DUFUS BRAIN DEAD PEOPLE.
I HAVE WORKED IN A SMALL OFFICE 12 -17 PEOPLE FOR 25 YEARS ON THE HILL.
NEVER HAVE THEE BEEN MORE THAN TWO CAR OWNERS, AT PRESENT ONE OWNER. WE WALK, BIKE, AND CAB AND BUS. AND FLEX CAR AND CAR SHARE, ALWAYS. ASKING FOR RIDES IS VERY OK. THE OWNER WILL REIMBURSE A BUS PASS EVERY MONTH, NO PROBLEM. WHERE HAVE YOU ALL BEEN ALL THESE YEARS?
ALL YOU SUV TIT SUCKERS THINK YOU ARE THE UNIVERSE, NOT TRUE.
BUS RIDERS GET VERY SMART ABOUT HOW TO WORK IT, WHICH ROUTE, THE GOOD STOPS, TIMES, WHERE TO CALL, ETC. ETC.
Even if this poll is shoddy, people do care about global warming. Do they care enough to trade in their comfortable, convenient, privately-owned automobile for a city bus?
What makes you think they care about global warming? Hell they can keep their own back yard clean up and store to much junk in their house. They don’t even buy you bull shit and will not give up their SUV’s. They expect you to make all the sacrifices so they can travel around the world in their private jets just like Kennedy, Edwards, and Al Gore. You wouldn’t get me on a bus with a bunch of unbath foul mind folks who think the world owns them something. Especially retired goverment workers who claim to be a laywer and goes by the name of Roger Rabbit.
Bothell…Two l’s…
Odd how Seattle-centric types so loathe anything outside the city limits that they can’t bother spell-check references to other communities.
Bothell…a great place to spend a day or a lifetime…
The Piper
@7 The first thing that needs cleaning up is klake’s bullshit. None of the individuals mentioned owns a private jet.
Maggie says:
“YES – WHAT A BUNCH OF DUFUS BRAIN DEAD PEOPLE.
I HAVE WORKED IN A SMALL OFFICE 12 -17 PEOPLE FOR 25 YEARS ON THE HILL.”
Talk about ‘brain dead’ ..? What are us moms with small kids supposed to do? Haul our kids to bus stops two hours before school? Get 100 dollars worth of groceries and dog food to the bus and home?
You idiots who think everyone wants to live in the city are NUTS – we live in suburbs to get away from miscreants like you people on ‘the hill’ who think the entire universe revolves are ‘the city’ … I’ve lived here for 11 years and rarely do i need anything in Seattle, much less the bus system.
Private jets are an interesting topic. Most are owned by a charter or fractional-ownership firms that, in effect, run private airlines for their corporate customers. Most of this fleet flies key personnel or critical parts to locations not served by commercial airlines. This is a fast growing business — manufacturers and flight schools can’t keep up with demand — because small jets fill a business need. The fact Warren Buffett snapped up the largest of these companies tells you something.
@10 Since there are no jobs in the ‘burbs, other than low-paying retail jobs, and since you have time to shuttle around kids and groceries, we may infer you live on a paycheck earned by someone else, who presumably commutes to somewhere.
Yes and the breadwinner COMMUTES to/from the AIRPORT in his great big F150.
AND the breadwinner commutes alone because the fucking airport bus requires the breadwinner to be ready to leave 4+ hours BEFORE a flight, then requires the breadwinner to sit on dirty seats while they traipse about the area to pick up other travelers who have to be ready 4+ hours before a flight.
Time is money, fools and folks like the the breadwinner don’t have it to waste sitting on dirty seats.
You are simple minded fools.
Not every job requires sitting on your ass in an office.
AND some of those require stepping out. I knew someone at the AG’s office…took the train everyday… BUT there were days when it was imperative to get to Tacoma and back with documents (or whatever)…OOPS… can’t do that on a bike.
Don’t listen to otterpop, he’s comparing two completely different numbers by cherry picking whichever county’s website makes the numbers look correct for him.
In an apples-to-apples comparison on Washington State’s election site, there were 103914 Yes + 129151 No votes in King totalling 233065, and 38780 + 51939 totalling 90719 in Snohomish.
http://vote.wa.gov/elections/W.....TypeCode=M
Then go back the county’s site, they say that in total 286607 people voted in King County. That’s 53,000 MORE people than the state says. In that context, the 90,000+ Seattle voters makes sense, Seattle being about a third of the county’s population.
Moral: you can’t compare the two numbers like otterpop is. They are completely different. Don’t listen to him, he’s an idiot.
Andrew,
You made 2 very understandable mistakes:
1) You assume that everyone in King County lives in the RTA (Prop 1) district. That’s incorrect. Here’s the map:
http://www.soundtransit.org/x3064.xml
And here are the numbers:
997,798 registered voters in King County (286,607 voted so far – as you pointed out)
http://www.metrokc.gov/electio.....sPage2.htm
861,620 registered voters in Sound Transit (RTA) portion (245,796 voted so far)
http://www.metrokc.gov/electio.....sPage5.htm
As you can clearly see, the RTA portion comprised 86.35% of registered voters, and 85.76% of the turnout so far.
2) You’re using numbers for the RTID boundary from Snohomish Co. All of the poll documents clearly say the sample was done in the RTA (Sound Transit) district.
From the poll memo:
“All of the interviews were conducted November 4-6, 2007 with a representative cross-section of voters in the Central Puget Sound Regional Transit Authority (Sound Transit) district.”
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....002460.pdf
Do the math again, using the right numbers for King and Snohomish County, and tell us what you come up with.
Seattle Times is wrong, according to the Sierra club, they used the RTID district:
http://cascade.sierraclub.org/node/1685.
Look at the link: “Exit Poll for RTID/Prop 1 Released” “The Sierra Club sponsored a poll of 5000 voters in the RTID region who voted”
That says RTID, so you’re wrong on that count.
Second, the numbers I used above were for Prop. 1, not for the county at large so I didn’t include anyone that was outside the boundary, so you’re wrong a second time.
Try as you may otterpop, you are the one who is wrong here.
Hey guess what! Nobody wants to pay any more taxes. That’s really it.
Look at the actual poll memo — the poll was done in the Sound Transit district, not the RTID district.
I am having trouble understanding why pro-transit commenters and bloggers are having such a hard time with this poll — it shows that environmental concerns are important to voters and transit is popular (okay, except for that segment to tacoma). What gives?