The Seattle Times has twice editorialized in favor of a sham process to placate opponents of the proposed Chihuly “museum,” and that’s exactly what we’re getting at the public hearing tonight at the Seattle Center.
The hearing didn’t start until 6:30 p.m. but Center employees, the arts board member crowd, and other surrogates of the Wrights and Chihully were lined up at 3:30 to sign up for all the speaking slots. An hour into the hearing only one person had spoken against the proposal, and yet according to City Councilmember Sally Bagshaw, emails and phone calls are running 10 to 1 against.
Go figure.
As for me, I’m the 201 person signed in, so I doubt I’ll get the chance to voice my opinion. But I suppose that’s what folks here mean by “process.”
Of course the meeting is a sham.
Your observation of the arranged line-up of speakers is accurate.
From what I have read since the announcement, this project seems to be counting on the pressure of a bad economy to hand over the use of public property at a discount for twenty + years.
Unfortunately, all that will really result from this – at least for the visiting public — is a couple of decades worth of cheap garage sale items.
Although the people running this project will have sold all these garage sale items at astronomical prices, I suspect that this museum will go the way of EMP.
The difference with EMP though, is that Paul Allen writes a huge check to support EMP every year. Are the Wrights and their project partners (who ever they are) willing to do the same if the project doesn’t get the public support / traffic that it needs to be profitable?
Goldy I’m here at the public hearing. Just heard you speak. Correction to your title several minority speakers spoke in favor of the project. No minority or non white speakers spoke against the project. You wrote your headline before even showing up. Please correct.
@1 “hand over the use of public property at a discount”
B-but … isn’t that SOCIALISM?!
@3 No Roger….socialism is when profits are distributed. Capitalism is when losses are distributed, and when public property is available for private use at a fixed price instead of base lease + profit sharing.
But then, that is assuming that this will be profitable in the long run. Which I seriously doubt.
I just don’t want to see the city get the losing end of a project that can’t live up to the business model. There should be an exit strategy for the city that is not another giveaway…
I would be in favor of a Chihuly glass eye museum. It would be extraordinary to be able to supply folks like Columbo with glas eyes with random purple, orange and yellow glass awirlies coming out of their sockets.
Now that’s art!!!
Goldy, the oldest people speaking were the Chihuly opponents!
While it’s true that the pro-Chihuly speakers included “diversity”, it was sickeningly staged. The whole thing felt like an orchestrated PR campaign. A better point to be made is that nearly every pro-Chihuly speaker stood to gain financially from the project. If Chihuly wasn’t such a fame whore & was willing to endow a museum devoted to glass art in general… but wait. We already have one of those. In Tacoma.
A single space dedicated to a living artist is usually called a gallery, right? Don’t we have a bunch of those down on First Ave? By Pike Place Market? Where tourists actually go?
Regarding the early signup procedure, on a hotly contested issue like this, the preferred way to sign up speakers is on three lists — Pro, Con, and Other, then the presiding officer takes people off of each list in sequence.
This way no one faction can just get their early and take all the prime speaking slots.
Ya made it on TV goldie.
You know, after all the back and forth, I’m not sure I care. Sure it’s another pay museum which will probably not come close to making a profit and I’m sure some ‘clause’ in their agreement will make the city (us) is responsible for making up any difference, but PROFITS stay with the Wrights (of course). Modern socialism…profits stay with the private business, loses belong to the public.
Anyway, I’m MUCH more concerned about the plans for the Center House and Memorial Stadiums. Those will have a greater visual impact on the area. And both of those seem stalled/dead.
Josh @2,
I was there by 6:30, and wrote my headline at around 7:30, by which time only one person had spoken against the proposal. Just because I didn’t speak until around 9 PM, doesn’t mean I didn’t show up until then.
As for the diversity of the crowd… please… don’t attempt to pretend that there is some multicultural outcry for a glass gallery. The first hour of speakers was filled with officers, staff and board members of arts organizations, Center organizations, and businesses.
Do any of you guys really want a socialist country?
Do any of you guys really want a socialist country?
IMHO, yes, sort of. There are elements of a generic socialist country that I would love for the US to adopt. I would love it if we copied some aspects of Denmark and the other northern European countries. They seem to have found a way to have universal health care and free tuition while still seeming to have a mostly happy populace.
I could just as easily ask
Do any of you guys really want a capitalistic country?
and talk about the consequences of unfettered capitalism and the book “The Jungle” and would you want to live in Hong Kong or Singapore as a regular person?
I watched some of the people read their statements in favor of a Chihuly shrine and kept thinking…is anyone that passionate anymore about his work? Naturally he is cutting edge, opened the door for U.S. glass artists, etc. I have to say though that the actual art pieces just aren’t all that interesting. How many squiggly globs of glass hanging from a ceiling can you look at and gaze upon? Once you’ve seen it, why would you go back and see it again for $10.00 a shot?
Blue John… Do you know anything about anything? Doesn’t seem you do! They found a way… tax the hell out of their citizens that’s how.
Denmark Tax Rates… Yes sign Puddy up!
“Denmark is currently the highest taxed country in the world, along with Sweden. Taxable income is taxed at progressive rates up to 59% in Denmark. The income tax rate ceiling will be 51.5% beginning 2010.”
Don’t get your hopes too high Blue John on DK 347,700 as that’s only $62,883 US. Also you start paying an 8% health care tax at DK 42,900 ($7770). Even the arschloch wouldn’t be exempt! Heh Heh Heh
Sweden Tax Rates – Yep, sign Puddy up!
“Sweden individual income tax for 2009 is calculated at progressive rates up to 59.17%.
Sweden is one of the countries with the highest tax rate in the world, along with Denmark. Individuals pay both national income tax and municipal income tax in Sweden. The tax rate changes slightly according to where the individual lives.”
Don’t get your hopes too high Blue John on SK 380,200 as that’s only $52,410 US. The city state takes on average 31.52% ($16,520) in taxes. And if you make more than SK 580,200 ($74,273) the Swedish guvmint takes an additional 25%.
So please Blue John move to Scandinavia. I have some friends who live there and would love to come to America and pay less taxes!
Puddy asked this question before and no HA Leftist Progressive would answer…
Is Jeff Wright a leftist progressive? Puddy thinks he is, and is only showing his soft underbelly with this museum activity.
Denmark?? Wow what a socialist hellhole..
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/sto.....038;page=1
Know ya love ABC there Stupes..
CORRECTED!
arschloch,
Denmark… Please move there. They have the Jyllands-Posten Cartoons there. You can get your personal copy!
@18
The arschloch still hasn’t had an original thought. Now he has copied Puddy’s corrected posts.
Puddy’s friends are against the Iraq war fool. That doesn’t discount them as Puddy’s friends. They are big time liberals who hate the elevated taxation rates they pay in Denmark. Since you’ve never been there (maybe you looked at some undressed Danish ladies with your left eye of porn while your wife is out of the house working hard) how would you know anything about Denmark fool except through your normal vicarious arschloch ways?
Regarding Denmark arschloch please go… You can start paying 8% on $7770 and up for your health care tax. Take Blue John with you.
Wait for it… The arschloch doesn’t take orders. Yet he wears the skirt and lace panties around the house!
CORRECTED!
@ Puddybud is Sad my friend died
Facts and reality don’t match your “opinions”.
The free market IS in effect. Everyone in “socialist” Canada, England, Germany, France, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, etc…are free to leave. Dude? If you’re right and they’re such HORRIBLE countries, why do people live there? Why are ANY businesses located there? Why does Starbucks have ANY stores in socialist Canada? Why are there shopping malls in Germany? We’re not talking the Soviet Union from the 60’s…the people can leave and no business has to start up there.
Same within our country. Fox News (giggle) has it’s HQ in tax friendly, gay friendly, liberal New York City. They are FREE to move to rural Mississippi or Wyoming where the taxes are HALF what they’d pay in NY. Why don’t they? NO ONE is stopping them. They hate taxes, gays and liberals anyway…so why not get away from them. It’s like there are OTHER reasons that are more important or overriding. Unless … gasp…it’s a secret plot by secret Muslim Obama to prevent Fox News from escaping New York! Yes it must be! Someone call Glen Beck!
Puddy 8% for healthcare in Denmark.
That is a lot less than anyone here pays.
Seriously, Goldy? You hardly cover anything in person…but a privately built glass museum taking over a cement wasteland sets you off?
How on earth can this be deemed an important issue from a political or policy perspective? Maybe you’re channeling that tired & boring throwback Geov guy?
You were outgamed. You and your supporters should have been there at 2:30.
Bitching about being outgamed is even worse.
Your political skills are all pretense; you need to learn the fundamentals at Class A-level ball.
As was pointed out at DL last night this is about the Wrights getting a large catering hall and gift shop at the base of the needle for far less than they would have to pay if they propsed it directly rather than cloaking it in a sham “museum” proposal.
I was there too, and I have no direct gain from either party offering the deal. I was among the last to speak. There was a wide swath of folks there, along with FOC…
Your comments were great about taking your kids to the attractions there. Had this debate occoured before you got to Seattle, we might have bulldozed the attractions you so fondly recall… many of them live in buildings never meant to last this long. IF we had OPENED UP the SW corner, we could have bulldozed the Science Center. The Childrens Museum used to be a tacky collection of vendors. (I worked in one of them in High School). The Bubblator was originally in the Coluseum, and later MOVED to the Center House.
This is not a hijacking of land. Parks will still own it, but is IS a pragmatic solution. We paid for the building. The Fun Forest folks cannot afford the rent and expenses. IF they could, they would still be there…
The center is full of places never meant to still be in use today. We have slowly torn down and opened up a lot.
I am not sure the trade of the Opera House Parking on Mercer, nor the Gates Foundation parking swap were the best choices, but fiscally, they made sense at the time to those in charge.
I agree with open space advocates in that we need more space, in town, and a more cohesive planned process to create it. BUT stopping the Chihuly plan leaves us with an empty building, the black top would remain for several years as there is NO BUDGET. We again would be scrambling for the $350,000 in revenues we got from the Fun Forest.
The process IS flawed, but as Bismark best said, “Those who like Law and Sausages should never watch either being made”.
The Wrights COULD take this concept elsewhere, possibly for less, but that would again leave a gapeing $350,000 dollar hole in the Center Budget… one they are willing to gamble $500,000 a year to play, not to mention additional revenues from admissions tax, rental etc.
OH Dear, yes, they will make money too. But they are taking the risk. So are the folks running the boat rental at Greenlake, the Golf Concession, the Driving range, and many other public private arrangements the parks and other parts of the city enter into.
Private money built the original opera house. A majority of private money funded it’s remodel. (thats why it is named McCaw Hall). The UW proudly points out 200 MILLION in new development ALL privately funded. Our original streetcar system was almost fully paid for by developers hoping to sell new suburbs at the time… City street spaces given over to Private Streetcars… OH MY.
We are NOT giving up the land. Parks will still own it. Wright and Chihuly are on the hook for a minimum of a HALF MILLION a year to the center. If it does not pan out, I suspect they would opt out of their lease and then we can again address bulldozing the building. Maybe we can set aside some of the rent money over the next decade to cover the cost of greening it when they vacate.
As to not being free… You paid to bring your kids to the Science Center, the IMAX, the Kids Museum and to ride the monorail. You also pay to go to the zoo and aquarium. Both are city parks. We pay to use McCaw Hall, a city property. The city owns a number of theatres on the grounds, which most all charge admission to various programs. But there are also programs for low income access, and educational access, and senior and student pricing. They are demanded as we own the property.
This is a pragmatic solution, originally sought by the Center. This is not corporate Chihuly & Wright enterprises taking over. They could pay less in this market for other space privately owned, but that rent money would not help the center with ITS budget. THATS what begat the process, flawed as it was.
Yes, they will make money… any concessionaire hopes to.
As to the bigger picture. Phylis Lanphere was correct in calling for a region wide process for siteing and funding of major parks. Folks last night quoted the stat that 75 percent of those using the Seattle Center are tourists. Problem is, anyone NOT FROM SEATTLE is counted as a tourist.
The Center is a REGIONAL draw, but funded at CITY expense. IF you are not from Seattle, and use the park, the only way we can get you to pay anything into the system is admissions tax.
Open space is important to a city. We do need more of it, but it needs to be open space that works. I would never attempt to fly a kite at the Seattle Center. When I want open space, I head to SAM Sculpture Park, or Lake Union, or Discovery, Seward, Volunteer, or Washington Parks.
The failure of having the Commons get back to the Regional need to fund and place large parks. There are no easy answers, but this proposal offers a lot of good positive solutions, fits the mission and criteria of the Seattle Center plan, and mission statement, and costs the city nothing.
In short, this is pragmatic compromise that offers us a vast majority of positive results.
@24
Because Goldy came up with a better idea for the space.
Re: socialism:
It isn’t a question of do you want socialism or not, but to what degree do you want it and what things would you like socialized. I’d rather not socialize harm to the planet and corporate finical risk, but we seem do be doing a fine job that in America. On the other hand, I have no problem socializing health insurance for kids or my local police, fire and public utilities. Health insurance for adults needs to be socialized as well, but at the same time there needs to protections in place against freeloading. HCR isn’t perfect in this regard, but it’s a huge step in the right direction and the benefits far outweigh the costs and the risks.
Can anyone decipher the gibberish of Alki Postings@22?
re 12: No. I want a crony capitalist country like Haiti — which is the direction that Dear Leader Reagan sent this country.
SeattleJew… You missed the point. Health care taxation in Denmark starts at $7770. If Odumba care health care tax started at $7770, how many would buy it in the US?
Still waiting for a progressive to answer #16. Maybe the truth hurts!
Seattle Center High? A REAL opportunity for the Wrights to show civic spirit.
The meeting at SC is typical of the kinbds of meetings developers set up to satisfy concerns about “democracy.”
Here in SLU, I have attended “community councils” .. pretty funny when basically no one lives there. A LOT of folks who work for Vucan or for firms that work fr Vulcan atteneded (of course).
Back at Space Needle Park, I had not realized that the Chihulu Collection was intended to be managed by the Space Needle.
Why not privatize all of SC and let the Wrights run the whole thing?
We could, of course, make a few regulations .. zoning laws so they did not turn it into condoms (not a typo) or a theme park.
Actually, I have a better idea. Why not BUILD a central high school there? Seattle is unique amongst “major” cities in not having one. The school could be integrated with the arts centers, science museum, and even the Gates. The nearby UW School of Med campus, Amazon, the Hutch, could help out too!
Is the cost of building it an issue? Maybe not. Why not get the Wrights to INVEST in it as a multipurpose building and let the Wrights use it as an adjunct to the Space Needle on eves and weekends. This way the building might even make money!
For example, instead of just a gym, Center High could have an athletic Center with pay for use facilities that could include a swimming pool, bike trails, climbing wall (up the side of the Needle?).
There could be an arts center where students could learn crafts .. including glass making. Chihulies stuff could be an inspiration but the Center could also house an expanded NW Crafts museum, perhaps bringing in the very Chihuly pieces the Wrights so love along with promoting the work of Seattle’s large community of talents artists and artisans.
A multiuse school also addresses the seasonality of the Center use by Tourists.
In the Summer, the school could work with the UW, SU, etc to offer “courses” for profit that would also attract tourists.
Center High students could also participate in the weekly ethnic festivals at Center House, work as interns in other Center and nearby institutions. The work could include private sector jobs at Amazon or downtown.
Artists in residence would demonstrate their crafts to the public on weekend’s.
Center High?
Puddy sticks his hoof in his mouth again – Denmark has been shifting to the right for years.
http://blog.balder.org/?p=759
Their new Foreign Minister has deemed Muslims as a bigger threat than climate change. But even the right wingers over there believe that extreme poverty and a chronic underclass should be relegated to third world countries.
Pudster loves having dirt poor drunk homeless people around, so he can compare his own miserable life to theirs – and that nagging self-hatred can wane a bit.
So ylb arschloch…
They are Danish SOB’s if they don’t think like you. OMG thinking like a dumb brick? Yeah right
And if you don’t think like the dumb brick you are an American SOB’s?
Puddy is so glad God created you arschloch. It proves to the rest of us not to descend to the depths of hell to be you!
Exhibit 4,244,245,243,654,645,243,026
Jerry’s Kid@34 made a prime time ASS out of himself. Ever notice HA Libtardos go apoplectic when facts are delivered? They can’t comment on facts because their heads explode. So instead they run to a blog.
Puddy went to the tax web site placed the facts on Denmark’s tax laws for Blue John and what does Jerry’s Kid do? He refers everyone to a blog! Puddy suggests the arschloch and Blue John move to Denmark. Be gone with ya! Good riddance!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
BTW moron, do you know about Puddy’s life? NOPE you DOPE! You are another dumb brick like the arschloch@21 above.
The Prosecution Rests Your Honor!
NEXT!
Seattle Greg,
Puddy gave Goldy suggestions on the Fun Forest before.
Here’s Goldy’s chance to “make a difference”.
1) Tell Mayor McGinn you protest another “museum” by certified letter.
2) Demand an environmental impact study. It’s the progressive thing to do. That should slow the “wheels of progress” to a crawl.
3) Personally walk the Fun Forest for rough dimensions. Buy a 20 foot Stanley Measuring tape.
4) Note power placements refreshment locations and potential ride locations.
5) Report your findings with power placements refreshment locations and potential ride locations to your “friends” at a Drinking Libtardos. Maybe THE DUMB BUNNY will “show”.
6) At a Drinking Libtardos poll your NorthWest Division of Lunatic Progressive Moonbat!s and see who has architectural and drafting skillz.
7) At this Drinking Libtardos take input into a new Goldy Fun Zone design. Make sure Joel Connelly is there as your personal reporter. Call them the HA Meeting Minutes.
8) Copyright your plans Goldy. You’ll understand from the next step.
9) For those libtardos who couldn’t make it place it on HA. ylb arschloch will provide automatic backup of your plans. Since he lives vicariously on other peeps commentary, the copyright is necessary.
10) Meanwhile, contact Richard Pope to provide legal counsel. Puddy would suggest Proud Goatist but lately Proud Goatist has lost his “mind”.
11) Take additional feedback for a week.
12) Contact the HA libtardo architect and re-lay out the Goldy Fun Zone.
14) Do a quick environmental impact study. Throw together something and call it good. Make sure you refer to the CAO in the written documentation for good measure.
13) Call a presser at the Seattle Center. Be sure Dori Monson, John Carlson, A Blethen family member and the Seattle Times are there. Make sure Joel Connelly is there as your personal reporter.
14) Have Richard Pope perform a “pomp and circumstance” reading of the HA “Meeting Minutes”.
15) Have Lee pass out some “medical” marijuana.
16) Make sure SeattleJew is packing “heat” and acting like “god”.
17) Present your findings to Mayor McGinn.
18) Go on Glenn Beck and demand he supports your idea.
19) Call Bill O’Reilly and invite him to Seattle.
20) Call Rush and tell him you’re one progressive trying to make a difference.
21) Watch the rocket in your ASS propel you skyward.
22) Accolades will magically appear.
23) Lobby Odumba for Porkulus Bill money to put peeps to work.
24) Goldy’s Fun Zone will take shape.
See what happens next.
@16, 32
The actor or the defensive back?
Good grief, even a glass museum thread inspires Puddy to run off at the mouth with over 22% of the comments, only one of which was even remotely on topic – when he baselessly accused Jeff Wright of being a “leftist progressive” @16. “Puddy thinks he is”, he says, like that means jack shit to anybody.
@12 “Do any of you guys really want a socialist country?”
If the last decade or so is exemplary of the best capitalism can do, why the hell not?
Anyone is a miserable SOB who would nod agreeably at your idiot rants.
Objective surveys says the Danes are happy with their lives. HAPPIEST with their lives. Their taxes are high but they don’t have to worry about health care bankruptcy, homelessness, not enough education to compete in the global marketplace.
So yeah. If a Dane is not happy with that state of affairs, he’s a miserable SOB. He should emigrate to join up with the Stupes! of the world.
So Steve and Michael… Is Jeff Wright of Seattle Center a libtardo progressive?
It’s a simple yes or no answer question.
Any time Puddy sees posts discussing rich old whitey peeps his “antenna” are activated. Those are the standard progressive playbook code words.
I’d like to echo Seattle Greg’s comment # 27. You’re right on, Greg.
@42
Don’t know the first thing about him and couldn’t care less.
And Steve, most of the time Puddy is responding to personal attacks after Puddy give a fact lesson to HA Libtardos.
Witness the witless, feckless and useless comments of a certain left eye of porn fool!
Ahhhh….MISTER PuddyBuddy.
Distinguishing himself in a world of absurdly stupid right-wing morons…
…by being THE most absurdly stupid right wing moron.
I doff my chapeau!
Thank you dumb cinder block@46…
My pleasure. I live to serve.
@15 “I have some friends who live there and would love to come to America and pay less taxes!”
Knowing what kind of people you hang out with, I’m sure they’d love to get all those government services for less taxes or, preferably, no taxes.
@16 Who cares? Besides you, I mean? And you don’t matter.
THE DUMB BUNNY@50,
Well if Jeff Wright is progressive, then the arguments about rich money grubbing conservatives flies out the window. Wright the progressive is acting like “rich money grubbing conservative”.
To dense to figger it out!
@44,
“Brain” hasn’t reengaged yet?
@24 “Seriously, Goldy?”
Uh … actually … I have trouble taking you seriously after reading only the first two words of your post.
“You hardly cover anything in person…”
That’s not true.
“but a privately built glass museum taking over a cement wasteland sets you off?”
Yes, why shouldn’t it, when we’re talking about publicly-owned real estate in a prime location that once was the site of a World’s Fair, remains one of the city’s premiere gathering spots, and there are better potential uses that will serve a much broader part of the population? Goldy has spent the last couple of weeks posting examples of what is possible for this site.
“How on earth can this be deemed an important issue from a political or policy perspective?”
It’s an important issue. See above. Sadly, you’re too blind or stupid (or both) to see that.
“Maybe you’re channeling that tired & boring throwback Geov guy?”
No. He’s an engaged and public-spirited citizen-journalist who cares about the quality of life in our community. You? Well, you’re mentally lazy, for starters — thinking is too strenuous for you, so you don’t — but I suspect your problems go deeper.
@52
No I had my morning coffee a long time ago, just don’t know and don’t care about Mr. Wrights personal politics.
“It’s a simple yes or no answer question.”
No, it’s a “WTF?” question. Having done about a zillion bucks worth of construction projects with Howard S. Wright (I bet Max was on at least one of those – Augusta maybe? Building 27?), I can honestly say that I don’t know and that I really don’t care. What’s at issue is the propect of a Chilhuly project at the Seattle Center taking the place of the Fun Forest. What do you think about that? Got any ideas? Or is the best you can contribute is to turn this into just one more left-right hate-fest?
Personally, I don’t like the idea of having the museum there. I’ve been impressed with some of the ideas revolving around the kid’s park theme. They seem relatively inexpensive to construct and for people to access, and would attract families, both local and visitors. The family/kids part really sells me. While driving yesterday my radio accidently landed on KVI and there was talk of leasing to Six Flags, Disney or the like to revive it as an amusement park. My thought about that is that the available area is just too small to ever be much of an amusement park and that some of the family park ideas floated around are far more doable. A day at Six Flags isn’t cheap. I’d rather we had something that was inexpensive to visit and yet appealed to families of all income levels. So what I’d like to see are more ideas floated for these inexpensive family-themed parks.
@54 Spot on.
Oh you mean they don’t exist?
Murdoch
Koch
Adelson
Scaife
Moon
Ahmanson
Adelson
Wyly
Pickens
Anschutz
Howard Rich!
Steve,
It wasn’t Puddy who first made this a political argument. In fact Puddy didn’t comment on the first two posts. BTW this post was closed. Or this post either Steve. Or this post Steve. Search the archives and see the commentary from the first day this was posted.
Cry Puddy a river while you search.
@58
Who made the argument first, second, thirty-first, who cares…
The real and important arguments are laid out in Goldy’s post and by Steve @55.
Go ahead and everybody indulge in the left-right paradigm. After all, these comment threads are a political cesspool.
That said, Puddy, I’m sure you’ll understand that I’d rather read a few of your thoughts about the use of the Fun Forest site than search through old comments to see who started what.
Steve @ 55, 60…
Well said as usual.
Hey Steve,
Puddy showed you how it was made political from Jump Street and you get upset because Puddy showed you it was political? What a joke! This is why Puddy asked what persuasion Jeff Wright is. The commentary started around another latte crowd hangout. Okay fine. Butt who funds these Seattle Latte Crowd hangouts? Conservatives? Hardly dude. That’s why you all vote for McDimWitt every two years. The Seattle Latte Crowd!
rujax, you’re not even worth responding to.
Michael,
Again let Puddy know when you reengage the neck electrodes to restart your brain!
Once again the arschloch@57 doesn’t understand the argument.
Whatafool. It’s about Seattle you idiot! Do any of these upright gentlemen develop Seattle properties?
Murdoch
Koch
Adelson
Scaife
Moon
Ahmanson
Adelson
Wyly
Pickens
Anschutz
Howard Rich!
Tell me arschloch since you had to jump into the conversation!
I see the EMP as appealling to a thin slice of the community. I think that the Chilhuly museum would do little better. If I was a kid just wanting to have fun, both strike me as a downer. On the west side of 5th Ave we also have the old stadium and KCTS. What’s the vision here? Is there one? Given that old man Wright understood the vision thing, I’d have hoped that this generation of Wrights would have come up with something better than what I see as a monument to a living artist whose work few can afford.
Besides Steve,
Puddy gave a great suggestion in #37.
All this arguing over Denmark’s tax rates. Amazing how real facts explode libtardo minds!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
LMBBAO!
“What a joke!”
I suggest that you try harder not to be one, Puddy.
Steve,
Puddy takes his visiting relatives and friends to EMP all the time. The Jimi Hendrix exhibit and the guitar monument get many pictures. Then we head over to the afternoon fish chucking at PPM. Two great things that go together in Seattle, EMP and PPM!
Thanks Steve Puddy will take that under “advisement”.
Oh BULL SHIT, MISTER PuddyBuddy.
You ALWAYS make EVERYTHING a political arguement…if you’re not making it a religious one. The problem with your arguments, MISTER Puddy Budddy is that they are not very good. Your positions are weak. You takee the lead from your political and Corporate masters and (over) play the victim. The policies and programs and social philosophies (Reaganism, essentially) you advocate have been tried over and over and are beyond a shadow of a doubt proven to have been abject failures. How you still come around here incessantly peddling the same tired clap-twadddle is a tribute to your apparent intransigent bull headedness…I’ll give you THAT at least.
“Puddy gave a great suggestion in #37.”
Yes, I read that comment. Hmm, perhaps you should just stick with the left-right paradigm, Puddy. That strikes me as being your comfort zone. Left, right – yeah, keep it simple. Don’t let me goad you into raising your game.
The Fun Forest was a corrupt relic of the aftermath of the World’s Fair. I used to work there.
They shared the basement of the centerhouse with the Police and there was a definite quid pro quo which I didn’t fully grasp.
Ride supervisors would use the female ride operators as their own personal dating pool. They also demanded kickbacks to give operators overtime.
They had the grouchy old men who ran the place walking around making off-color remarks until they died off in the late 90’s.
The office staff told me that they routinely slow-paid or didn’t pay most of their bills.
The Sonics got Highjacked and Gates is throwing his weight around in the parking lots. It’s time for something new at the Seattle Center. I’m just not sure anyone is going to like it.
rujax you dumb cinder block…
It’s you who makes any negative Odumba comment a racial attack… Right out of the DNC playbook. Wait a minute… you are one of those Kos Kook-aid Kids!
Wanna see all the original rujax commentary on this subject moron?
The policies and programs and social philosophies (progressivism, essentially) you advocate have been tried over and over and are beyond a shadow of a doubt proven to have been abject failures. Yes Puddy agrees progressivism has been tried. Your kind loved Hitler and Mussolini. Need to see the Oliver Wendell Holmes evidence again?
EMP? From an engineering perspective I love it. Architecturally, eh, not so much. Like the Hammering Man, it isn’t terribly original. It’s like it’s another “wannabe” thing that I don’t like seeing in the Seattle psyche. My firm at the time was on the design team. A friend was the project manager. I discovered Jimi in a British records bin at a store next to the Holly Park housing project before he came back to America. I played in the first Seattle band to actually cover Jimi, being lucky enough to fall in with some of the best Seattle musicians of the day. That said, the museum’s boring as all hell. Besides, you could spend a week there and you’d learn far less about the Seattle music scene of days past than you would by spending one hour at this site.
http://pnwbands.com/nwtributes.html
“Your kind loved Hitler and Mussolini”
That’s some sophisticated game you play, Puddy. OK, I’ll play too. Your kind loved Ray Mancini and Pat Boone (the proof is in wingnuts walking like they have a stick up their ass) whereas our kind loved Wilson Pickett and the Temptations. Hmm, must suck to be your kind, what with the stick up the ass and all that, huh?
OK, Puddy needs a choice. By his standard any country with universal health care, universal education, and state ownership of major industries is socialist.
I suppose that makes countries w/o universal health care, w/o universal education, and with an emphasis on private ownership “capitalist?”
I think Puddy should choose where he wants to live:
Socialist countries
France
Australia
India
Israel
Latvia
Sweden
Germany
Cuba
Japan
Canada
Capitalist Countries
Singapore
Nigeria
China
Saudi Arabia
Iran
Russia
Congo
Somalia
Dubai
Kuwait
We are all anxious to hear!
Well, SJ, Puddy would certainly find the
TalibanShar’iafundamentalist theocratic “government” of Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Somalia right up his alley.I don’t know about Dubai, but Kuwait is probably too secular for him. Too many religions for him in Nigeria and Russia, probably China as well (though the tendency toward religous warfare in such places might entice him).
Definitely not Singapore, as their only religion is capitalism. Puddy needs to have his kleptocracy leavened with wacky religiosity. And he probably chews gum too.
Now SeattleN,
Why would Puddy want to live under Sha’ria? Puddy is a Christian. They don’t like Christians. They might like you if you are an atheist. They would probably like Proud Goatist since his theology is thoroughly screwed up. You see my wack religiosity knows Jesus is coming again! Coming in Glory the Lamb that was slain. Jesus is coming again!
Hmmm Steve, that was almost funny. Puddy didn’t know Hitler was a jazz musician and Mussolini was a “orchestra conductor”. Thanks for that information.
SeattleJew…
Puddy shocked and amazed. Blue John made the comment he wanted some Denmark socialism. Puddy reminded him of the costs of Denmark socialism. The Danish buds who’ve been to America to visit Puddy saw how we lived based on our tax structure. When you visit various places outside Copenhagen you can see how they live. Their houses are much smaller, their cars are much smaller, their gas prices are much higher and their commodities prices are higher too. So if Blue John wants to take the arschloch with him and go, so be it.
It’s amazing how simple facts confound HA Libtardos! Puddy has never mentioned he wqas leaving the US like Alex Baldwin and other moronic hollyweird types did. Where was Puddy saying Puddy was leaving the US? Butt if Puddy decided Puddy would live in Australia or New Zealand. Puddy loved both of those places! Puddy doesn’t agree Australia is socialist.
And SeattleN,
As it says in the Bible Jesus and His Father are one. The same God of the Old Testament is Jesus Christ in the New Testament. If you can’t put you head around that fact, where is the foundation for your Christianity?
Puddy drools @80:
So nations with universal healthcare coverage don’t fit your definition of “socialist”? Australian Medicare is exactly that — universal coverage for all.
Yes, they also have private insurance for care in private institutions. But it’s incredibly cheap by US standards. I filled out the Australian “PrivateHealth” Search by features calculator, assuming a family with two adults and dependents, seeking top-of-the-line coverage in New South Wales. The 29 available plans bore premiums ranging between A$207.15 and A$413.40. At 92 US cents to the Australian dollar, that’s $190.58 – $380.33. Maximum annual premium for a family, then, is $4563.94.
How ’bout we go for that sort of non-socialist healthcare system, eh?
Puddy again…
Which Christianity would that be? Don’t insult me like that.
I’m sure Puddy believes with all synapses firing that both Hitler and Stalin were in what’s now called the Alan Greenspan wing of the Democratic party, er, along with David Frum.
Let’s see, we have Lost claiming that FDR was a traitor. Puddy thinks Stalin and Hitler were Democrats or something. How about Mussolini? Hmm, fascist. Another Democrat. It’s probably a good thing you guys weren’t around during WWII. You’d have had nobody to root for.
Puddy just couldn’t stand the thought of people discussing the Seattle Center proposal so he’s hi-jacking yet another thread to blather on and on and on about how Stalin and Hitler were lefties and how his Christian faith trumps that of Christians on the left. Where’s the one-act KLOWN? Isn’t the Rasmussen Daily Tracking Poll relevant to this discussion of the Fun Forest? Or is the KLOWN off having a bad day because Rasmussen is now at 8, the highest approval in months? Fucking bore me to tears already. Of course, all that blathering and Puddy didn’t offer even one intelligent thought about the Fun Forest site.
Steve, Steve, Steve,
Once again you are the moronic fool, playing the tool!
There is no thread Hijacking… If you remember some fool @30 named headless lucy hijacked the thread with Haiti and Reagan. Then the dumb cinder block continued the Haiti attack. Puddy RESPONDED reminding progressives of their love of Hitler and Mussolini. Too bad you can’t follow a conversation from inception to completion Steve.
Boring, Puddy. I suggest that you go back to telling us how Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin were all lefties and how that makes progressives into some kind of new-breed Kommie-fascist. Go for it. Share with us some more of your insane rants about how every totalitarian dictator in human history was a lefty progressive. It’s nothing but pure, unadulturated horseshit, of course, but at least it’s good for another progressive laugh at your wingnut expense.
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For SeattleN,
My Bible sez John 10:29-30 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.” Jesus of the New is the Son of God of the Old.
Have no idea what your Bible sez!
Really, Puddy?
It’s the one you call “Old Testament”.
Not that I center my entire life around it.
John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said , Ye are gods?
I am a god. The bible tells me so.
Ekim Lover of Goat Parts
EX 7:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
PS 82:6, I have said, Ye [are] gods; and all of you [are] children of the most High.
God was making the children of Israel to be the group all other nations came to for wisdom. Notice it’s in reference to God ekim. Of course these texts are unknown to someone of your “caliber”.
Puddy was waiting for Proud Goatist to exert his Bible larnin. Sadly he failed again!
Dumb fucking ButtPutty,
You wanted to know what my bible said so I answered you. Since you quoted John 10, so did I. You know, you really are a bible snob. You don’t like it, eat shit and die.
As to the goats, you’re projecting again. And you should do something about that smell. Even your goats don’t like it.
Oooh, oooh, that smell! Can’t you smell that smell. The smell of shit surrounds you.
Q: What is the difference between ButtPutty and a Santorum?
A: The shade of brown.
ekim,
Where did Puddy ask YOU about your Bible? Projecting again. What an idiot!
Bothered by being outed with your goat? Can you hear it? Your goat is calling you. Your goat needs service. Go fool go!
ekim… Hmmm… now where has Puddy heard that “term” before… Oh yeah ekim… Turkish for planting or sowing…
You be ekim your goat in the ASS every night for your pleasure!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
How is that Santorum on you? Or are you an “oral agent”? Now Puddy knows why you go around talking about that smell. It’s on you! Happy planting ekim…
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
BTW Puddy liked this comment earlier on HA
“Still screwing maggots, Ekim? How was he? How’s your teeny-tiny micro weewee?” Ask the arschloch for the date and time.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Ol’ ButtPutty the religious bigot who smells so bad,
You stupid goat fucker, you. I very seldom read anything you post. You contribute nothing. You are worth nothing.
You think you do good for your puppet masters by your postings, trying to pollute every thread with illelivancies.
Ol’ ButtPutty the religious bigot who smells so bad.
You stupid goat fucker, you.
You think you do good for your masters by your postings, trying to pollute every thread with irrelevancies. I am sure you are very proud of your accomplishments and brag to your friends about how hard you work, irritating us on the left.
All I can say is just don’t stop. You do us a service. You show us the width and depth of intellectual discourse originating from the right.
The only question I have is how much are you paid by your masters to pollute this list.
To the one who ekims goats,
Puddy doesn’t have “masters” fool. Puddy left the reservation long ago.
What a liar you are. And a fool. You are right there ready to pounce, with nothing useful of course. You are as useless as tits on a rooster. Here are your kind in action…
“You’re rich… you deserve it.” Your kind are into class warfare ekim, not conservatives. Puddy also notices the ending of the story. “They are overseas”. Conservatives don’t react that way. Progressives do!
My Very Dear MISTER PuddyBuddy…
You are the finest, stupidest, most dumbass right-wing motherfucker of all the fine stupid dumbass right-wing motherfuckers that comment here. What an acheivement.
My heart fairly BURSTS with pride for you!
You’re just a “tea-baggin'” genius you are!!!!