Republicans leak nuclear secrets to Iran

From Friday’s New York Times:

Last March, the federal government set up a Web site to make public a vast archive of Iraqi documents captured during the war. The Bush administration did so under pressure from Congressional Republicans who said they hoped to “leverage the Internet” to find new evidence of the prewar dangers posed by Saddam Hussein.

But in recent weeks, the site has posted some documents that weapons experts say are a danger themselves: detailed accounts of Iraq’s secret nuclear research before the 1991 Persian Gulf war. The documents, the experts say, constitute a basic guide to building an atom bomb.

Last night, the government shut down the Web site after The New York Times asked about complaints from weapons experts and arms-control officials. A spokesman for the director of national intelligence said access to the site had been suspended “pending a review to ensure its content is appropriate for public viewing.”

Officials of the International Atomic Energy Agency, fearing that the information could help states like Iran develop nuclear arms, had privately protested last week to the American ambassador to the agency, according to European diplomats who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the issue’s sensitivity. One diplomat said the agency’s technical experts “were shocked” at the public disclosures.

Well, I don’t know about Iran, but I can certainly tell you that this is where I learned how to build my atom bomb. I’d already picked up some fissionable material at the local halal market and some aluminum tubes and other equipment at the Boeing Surplus Store, but I just couldn’t figure out the proper sequence for those damn nuclear firing circuits. Then the Bush administration put this handy-dandy how-to guide online, and I was well on my way towards making South Seattle a nuclear power.

Sure, it’s not much — ten, maybe fifteen kilotons tops — but I promise you, that’s the last time the District tries to close my daughter’s elementary school. (And if anybody from Sound Transit is reading this… you might want to consider putting the Graham Street station back on the Link Light Rail plans.)

All sarcasm aside, there’s a very serious point here, which can basically be boiled down to… what a bunch of clueless, blithering assholes:

The campaign for the online archive was mounted by conservative publications and politicians, who said that the nation’s spy agencies had failed adequately to analyze the 48,000 boxes of documents seized since the March 2003 invasion. With the public increasingly skeptical about the rationale and conduct of the war, the chairmen of the House and Senate intelligence committees argued that wide analysis and translation of the documents

Comments

  1. 1

    Rujax! spews:

    Hey EvilfuckingChristianistBITCH…I mean ProudAss…I mean”anonymous” (WHATeverrrrr)-

    Here ya go-

    The Times report documents Iraq’s efforts to conduct nuclear research before the 1991 Persian Gulf war and prior to sanctions. Contrary to Bartlett’s claim, Iraq had no nuclear capability at the time of the U.S. invasion in March 2003. Here are the facts, as reported in the Key Findings of the Duelfer Report:

    – “Saddam Husayn ended the nuclear program in 1991 following the Gulf war. ISG found no evidence to suggest concerted efforts to restart the program.”

    – “Although Saddam clearly assigned a high value to the nuclear progress and talent that had been developed up to the 1991 war, the program ended and the intellectual capital decayed in the succeeding years.”

    – “The former Regime had no formal written strategy or plan for the revival of WMD after sanctions.”

    http://thinkprogress.org/2006/.....q-nuclear/

    Fucking LIAR, you!!!

  2. 2

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    7

    I call Rabbitshit on this post! Commentby Mike Webb Sucks— 11/3/06@ 4:58 am

    I must have missed that. Probably because I don’t read your posts. Why should I? They lack content. You haven’t “called” me on anything, More Wingnut Silliness. You’re wrong about everything. Posting bullshit doesn’t make it true. Dismissed. Next.

  3. 3

    Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    Yeah it’s sticks with the same subject. Military enters Iraq to stop Hussein and his nuclear weapons program. Kerry calls them dumb soldiers!

    Want to see the military demographics again Daddy Love?

  4. 4

    Daddy Love spews:

    20 MWS

    Military enters Iraq to stop Hussein and his nuclear weapons program.

    Oh, I thought it was all about “liberating” the Iraqis from evil Saddam so that they could enjoy the fruits of 2 hours of electricity a day and the joys of finding tortured, executed bodies every morning.

    Um, MWS, Iraq HAD no nuclear program in 2002. It’s been very clear from the Iraq Survey Group report, our subsequent occupation (which has turned up exactly NOTHING in three years), and the IAEA. The documents are from iraq’s pre-1991 nuclear program, which they abandoned and dismantled after the Gulf War.

  5. 5

    Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    None of your business where I worship clueless.

    Isn’t it being clueless that someone named clueless would be clueless about church activities? When is the last Shabbat, Sabbath or Sunday service you attended clueless one? Can you tell me how many books in the Bible without opening it up? How many chapters? How many Gospels? How many books Paul wrote? How many major prohpets? How many minor prophets? didn’t think so.

    Forgive the sinner not the sin will be preached all over the country. You can’t be forgiven if you continue to sin. Also many churches will admonish their flocks to vote. Moonbattism is a disease!

    You seem to forget who had the ear of Clinton while he was inseminating his subjects. Jesse Jackson! ut the hush money didn’t work did it? Don’t go holier than thou you non-religious punk!

  6. 7

    rhp6033 spews:

    It’s also funny how self-serving rumors seem to get circulated among Conservatives. As an evangelical protestant, I have lots of (misguided) conservative/Republican friends, so I hear them frequently.

    Among the more persistent ones: T”here really are WMDs in Iraq. Saddam burried them in the desert. As long as US troops are in Iraq, they will remain hidden. But as soon as US troops leave, they will be dug up and used against America. This information is given to the troops in Iraq so they can keep searching for them, but they aren’t supposed to talk about it for security reasons, except to people they “really trust” (family, friends, Republicans).

    Another one, which interestingly is in conflict with the first one: “WMD’s were discovered in Iraq, but the liberal mass media won’t tell you that. It’s all part of a vast liberal conspiracy to slander Bush and seize political power”. According to this story, even Fox News is in on it.

    Now, at first I put this off to ramblings and wishfull thinking. After all, there are lots of people who believe in Bigfoot and UFO’s also.

    But then I read about Carl Rove’s tactics in various races. It seems that early in his career, he perfected the tactic of spreading viscious rumors, using conservative college students who would circulate them in the dorms, at home to friends and family, etc. In one notorious instance, they took a state Supreme Court justice who had a long history of involvement in a program to help young people, and circulated stories about how he was a gay sex preditor who used his position to cover up his activities. Suddenly the campaign pictures of him walking hand in hand with young people had an entirely different meaning, and the justice didn’t even know why they were backfiring.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200411/green

    The more I learn about Karl Rove, the more I know that there is no road too low for Rove to travel.

  7. 8

    rhp6033 spews:

    This reminds me of something that happened in 1980.

    I remember the 1980 election well (Carter vs. Reagan). Carter had his work cut out for him, he took office with a sluggish economy which took another hit from gas prices doubling and shortages, the whole Iran revolution/hostages thing, and a couple of very bad winters which exacerbated both situations. But he was still holding his own against Reagan, who scared some people.

    The US was in flight testing mode for the new B1 strategic bomber, which was supposed to replace the old B52. There was lots of pressure on Carter to approve production of the B1, since jobs were at stake in a troubled economy. But Carter knew something most of us didn’t at the time – the B1 was already obsolete. Stealth techonolgy was being proven in flight testing, and it was obvious that an entirely new aircraft was going to be needed. But Carter couldn’t explain that without revealing the secrets.

    So Carter cancelled the B1 program, and he took A LOT of heat for it. The Republicans kept pounding him on it, daily, saying it proved he was weak on defense.

    But the problem was that once Reagan became the Republican nominee, he got his own intelligence briefing. He saw much of what Carter saw (except Reagan wanted it in a one-page daily summary, and Carter read hundreds of pages daily). Reagan and his staff KNEW about the stealth technology. And the Carter White House pointed out to them that this was secret stuff, and perhaps they shouldn’t make it a campaign issue?

    Here Reagan could have put the issue off limits. He could have told his people to shut up, its a matter of national security that he can’t discuss in detail, but for the sake of the country it is OFF LIMITS. But he didn’t do that. Instead, the Republicans actually made the B1 cancellation a centerpiece in their “Carter is weak on defense” advertisements, feeling confident now that they knew he couldn’t respond. It was working for them, and they weren’t going to let the facts get in the way of a good campaign issue.

    Finally, Carter had to respond. He didn’t give any details, but he allowed his spokespeople to make a vague statement to the effect that there were good reasons to cancel the B1 program, including that there was some “new technology” which should be incorporated into America’s next strategic bomber, that they couldn’t go into the details, but the Republican assertion that the B1 cancellation was against America’s interests was wrong.

    Now the Republicans pounced. It was the Republicans who then loudly expressed their outrage at the White House “leaking” top secret information about the stealth program – for political purposes. In the meantime, the Republicans managed to leak enough details about the program to allow Reporters to write articles about its basic characteristics: new materials and shapes which absorb, rather than reflect, radar signatures.

    The reason I remember this so well is that it is one of the events which put me solidly in the Democratic camp. “What hypocrites!”, I remember thinking of Republicans at the time.

  8. 9

    jaybo spews:

    The “Infamous Nutroots Candidate” (Lamont) now being written off by the same democratic leadership that gave him their support.

    That has got to give the moonbat left a warm fuzzy feeling!

    LOL

    The truth behind the events is clear, radical liberalism is dead in this country and they are being played for suckers by the democrats.

    The proof of this lies with the vast majority of democratic candidates this year are more conservative than the “nutroots crowd”.

  9. 10

    Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    Moonbats, Libruls, Donks: Lend me your eyes. How do you feel now?

    In 2003-2003 Colin Powell went to the United Nations and mentioned Iraq was a year away from building a nuclear bomb. The mooonbats on HorsesAss read Kos, Media Matters, Moveon.Org andparroted the line this was supposed to be a myth, a lie that Bush used to trick us into war. Now the NYT writes these documents are real!

    Now Goldie in his zeal to parrot the latest NYT line is essentially saying that Iraq had a “how to manual on nuclear bomb building”, and could have had a nuke in a year, but it’s only bad if IRAN downloaded it?

    Think about that moonbats!

    Come on proud leftist spin away. Come on Don Joe spin away. Give all us your clue clueless. Furball, you are really good at spin. You claim to fuck animals and brag about your prowess in front of “Mrs Rabbit”. JDB was does the law say?

  10. 11

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    I wonder how Mrs. Haggard feels about her husband cheating on her with a male prostitute. Somebody do a black eye check on this guy.

  11. 13

    Rujax! spews:

    So I wonder how the EVILfuckingChristianistBITCH likes her scoochie little Evangenital leaders now.

    God’s looking down on this little drama…and She’s busting a gut laughing. (“I don’t have to do ANYTHING. Give ‘em enough rpoe and they’ll hang THEMSELVES.”)

  12. 14

    Daddy Love spews:

    The latest Rothenberg Political Report ratings are out. Here are exclusive excerpts provided to Political Wire:

    The Senate: “While Senate control is in doubt, with Democrats most likely to win from 5 to 7 seats, we do not think the two sides have an equal chance of winning a majority in the Senate. Instead, we believe that state and national dynamics favor Democrats netting six seats and winning control of the United States Senate.”

    The House: “Going into the final days before the 2006 midterm elections, we believe the most likely outcome in the House of Representatives is a Democratic gain of 34 to 40 seats, with slightly larger gains not impossible. This would put Democrats at between 237 and 243 seats, if not a handful more, giving them a majority in the next House that is slightly larger than the one the Republicans currently hold. If these numbers are generally correct, we would expect a period of GOP finger-pointing and self-flagellation after the elections, followed by a considerable number of Republican House retirements over the next two years.”

    Governors: “With Republican seats like Idaho, Alaska, and Nevada in play for state-specific reasons, and Minnesota vulnerable to a Democratic wave, the ceiling for possible Democratic gains is high. We have narrowed our earlier projection from Democratic gains of 6-10 to 7-9.”

  13. 17

    I am Jack\'s Revolutionaries spews:

    Moonbats? Horses Asses?

    People wonder why I shun my countrymen. You keep on fighting each other instead of fighting the problem. As far as the current administration goes…to quote a bumper sticker I saw recently… “Worst. President. Ever.”

    Kerry was a straw man set up by the lying, thieving, cocksucking, republican party as an easy opponet for his Shrubness to knock over and draw attention away from the fact that 45% of eligible voters in this country didn’t even show up at the polls. Now THAT’s a story. I like so many people now cannot justify enabling a faulty system to continue to function. If we all don’t vote then they can’t rig the elections. Then when they asked what would we rather do… we lead every man and woman who works on The Hill to a tall tree, explain the definition of treason, and hang them until they are dead, dead, dead.

    THEN we vote. And I guarantee you the next lot will think twice about doing what’s in polar opposite to the best interests of this nation. Because the NUMBER ONE reason why there is a problem in Washington DC is because they do not FEAR anything.

    Well… that was a pleasant daydream. You all have fun calling each other moonbats and horses asses while the entire nation gets sucked into a great big black hole of tyranny and ignorance.

    Discuss!

  14. 18

    JCH [Pennsylvania] spews:

    Republicans WIN next week!!! Thank you, John “Hate The Troops” Kerry!!!!!!

    22 million Rush listeners and 22 million vets and their families will ALL vote Republican next week!!!

  15. 19

    Daddy Love spews:

    Just in case, a link to an article containing the gay hooker’s claim that he witnesses the good pastor doing meth.

  16. 20

    JCH [Pennsylvania] spews:

    Moooooooooooooooooslim terrorists want you to vote Democrat!! Welfare hacks and “guvment” workers, too!!! [“gosta gets da guvment check”!!]

  17. 21

    spews:

    Hey “jch”-

    Did you know the Republican Congress just FIRED the guy in charge of tracking the MONEY…YOUR MONEY that is being Squandered…I mean SPENT in Iraq?

    Oh, you don’t CARE????

    I knew that.

  18. 22

    GBS spews:

    Here’s another crime committed by the Culture of Corruption that Speaker Pelosi will have to investigate.

    This election cycle will see the end of Republican control of congress. Speaker Pelosi, armed with subpoena powers and the force of law behind them, will begin to perform their Constitutional duties of oversight that congress is sworn to uphold. Although the Republicans that are in control now, many of them convicted of felons and doing hard time in prison, are woefully negligent in performing their sworn patriotic duties.

    When Speaker Pelosi sheds the light of Truth and Justice on the conservative crimes, it will be the undoing of the Republican party for decades to come.

    It’s God’s will that all this bad news came down on the Republican’s in October. God is going to punish the conservative movement for taking His name in vein. God does not want the conservatives in charge because they are ruining this Great Nation he allowed to flourish.

  19. 23

    Don Joe spews:

    Um, jaybo, that doesn’t exactly answer Daddy Love’s question. He’d rather like to determine whether or not “writing off” Ned Lamont is something someone actually said, or if it’s your interpretation of something someone said. You do understand the difference between facts and interpretations of facts, don’t you? Maybe you don’t? That, too, would explain quite a bit about the Republican mind-set: facts are opinions, and opinions are facts. And, up is down, the grass is blue, and the sky is green.

    Anyone up for starting a Foxworthiesque list of, “you just might be a right-wing idealogue” one-liners?

    If you think it’s OK to disclose sensitve nuclear (nucular?) secrets in order to win an election, you just might be a right-wing idealogue.

    If the topic of discussion is about the disclosure of sensitive “nucular” secretes, and all you want to talk about is Ned Lamont, you just might be a right-wing idealogue.

    If someone asks you for facts, and all you do is drop somebody’s name regarding some interview on MSNBC, you just might be a right-wing idealogue.

    Any others?

  20. 24

    Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    No Goldie, Wrong Spin. Mostly Bullshit. When your political foes put this site up for inspection, your good buddies, the moonbats they are discounted it as baloney. No substance. Nothing new. Now the Moonbat led NYT admits these are real and you “claim” to have went there? I call Rabbitshit on this post! You are a big damn liar!

    “European diplomats said this week that some of those nuclear documents on the Web site were identical to the ones presented to the United Nations Security Council in late 2002, as America got ready to invade Iraq.”

    Typical Moonbat Spin. Typical selective editing by Goldie to NOT PLACE THE CRUCIAL SENTENCE ABOVE ON HIS SITE!

    Your side said no WMDs. Now internal documents prove they were within a year of haing a nuclear weapon, why didn’t El Baradei find this stuff? Hans Blix said NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, they didn’t have this. It was made up by the Americans. So now we have internal proof and you, the leader of Seattle and King County Moonbats, can’t think it through? STUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUPIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIID Moonbat!

    Now wonder this is called Moonbat city when you leave the state. Jim “Tapes” McDermott, Maria Moonbat!, and Patty Sneakers Murray.

    Regarding the posting on the web site, it was a wrong move. But the NYT and other Moonbat led MSM papers would not believed it unless it was posted there. They would have called it a fabrication.

  21. 25

    The Socialist spews:

    Oh tight ass ted is saying he olny bought meth and got a massage from the young man

    Of couse you did ted rofl

  22. 26

    rhp6033 spews:

    Commentary by Michael Hirsh, in the current Newsweek:

    “…

    Was there any more mind-boggling bit of historic bad luck than what happened after Election Day 2000, when those 537 votes in Florida wobbled, then stayed in George W. Bush’s column? Never mind what kind of president Al Gore would have been—he would have been adequate, I suppose, but so would have most Republicans—it is hard now to avoid the conclusion that Bush was precisely the wrong man at the wrong time. Perhaps Bush would have been OK fighting another kind of war, a Jacksonian Battle of New Orleans-type war. But at a moment in history when we faced the most subtle sort of global threat, when we needed not just a willingness to use military force but a leader of real brilliance—someone who would carefully study a little-understood enemy—we got a man who actually took pride in his lack of studiousness. No surprise: Bush never once presided over a grand-strategy session to divine the nature of Al Qaeda, and he ended up lumping Saddam and every Islamist insurgent and terrorist group with Osama bin Laden. He ensured that a tiny fringe group that had been hounded into Afghanistan with no place left to go—one that could have been wiped out had we focused on the task at hand—would spread worldwide and become a generational Islamist threat.

    And at a time when we needed a world leader who understood the nuances of burden-sharing in the international system, we got a president who so badly wanted to be a cowboy and not his father (offending even some Texans: “all hat and no cattle” is the term they use down there) that he proudly declared he doesn’t “do nuance.” Bush stomped around huffily in his first term, talking loudly and carrying a big stick, in the process all but trashing a half century of carefully nurtured American prestige. No surprise: he alienated a world we desperately needed on our side, thus leaving America alone with all the burden and generations’ worth of bills to pay. Now we face two serious rising threats, North Korea and Iran. And having squandered our attention, resources and prestige on a trumped-up threat, Iraq, we are simply too weak and friendless to confront them as they should be. That’s what I call bad luck.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15...../newsweek/

  23. 27

    sgmmac spews:

    The New York Times is complaining about security leaks? Are they kidding? They publish secret material every week. Who the hell are they to complain about soemone doing what they’re doing?

    Furthermore, the information is already out there and Iran knows how to make the bomb.

  24. 28

    Daddy Love spews:

    Have you ever experienced the phenomenon wherein, once you know a gyu is gay, he starts looking real gay to you?

    I mean, in every picture I see now of Ted Haggard, he looks REALLY gay. To me.

  25. 29

    JCH [Pennsylvania] spews:

    Moooooooooooooooooooooooooooslims for Democrats!!! “Guvment” union hacks for Democrats!!! Black 4th generation welfare families for Democrats!!! [ “Gotsa keep the motha fuckin check comin!!!!!”]

  26. 30

    jaybo spews:

    Daddy Love @ 37,

    I guess that I have to confess that my only source is Senator Dodd in an interview on MSNBC.

    I guess I should know better, huh….

    LOL

  27. 32

    For the Clueless spews:

    T”here really are WMDs in Iraq. Saddam burried them in the desert.

    RHP – I think the current myth swimming in the wingnut collective group mind(lessness) is that the WMD was moved to Syria.

    Uh huh..

  28. 34

    Don Joe spews:

    So, Webbsterino, the fact that the Bush Administration put sensitive nuclear information on a web site for political purposes doesn’t bother you at all? Fascinating.

  29. 35

    rhp6033 spews:

    Postmans aticle today confirms that Reichart is sending out franked mailings this week, even though “mass mailings” or “campaign literature” are prohibited under House rules this close to an election.

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....an03m.html

    Reichart says the mailings are legal, because its not a “mass mailing” unless it is to over 500 people. All his mailings are “499 or less”. I guess he’s making minor changes to each piece of literature to justifiy them being “seperate mailings”.

    But I don’t think he’ll get away with them not being campaign literature. One of them promotes “breast cancer awareness month”, but is dated October 30th – one day before the end of the month. The other strumpets his involvement in “community policing” in hearings held back in July.All the mailings emphasize his “law enforcement experience” and his “independence” from Bush and the Republican party.

    Reichert isn’t worried about pushing the limits of the rules. After all, his past two years have shown that the House Ethics Committee won’t do a thing, except to provide cover for Republicans as long as it is able to do so.

    But things are going to be different, starting in January. With the Democrats in charge, there will be new leadership on the House Ethics Committee, and – please excuse the pun – “there’s going to be a new sheriff in town”. Even if Reichart survives Darcy’s challenge, Reichart has a “lot of ‘splaining’ to do (to quote Ricky Ricardo). According to the article, Reichart is the seventh-largest user of the franking priviledge in the House.

    Ladies and gentlemen, I present: your tax dollars at work, while under the care and management of the Republicans.

  30. 36

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Don’t you just love it? Three days before the election, Ted Haggard is caught getting reamed by a male whore, and the wingnuts are caught giving The Bomb to Iran!

    I think we may have a 430-5 Democratic House in January.

  31. 37

    Rujax! spews:

    Or is she “anonymous” now…or “BeAParetnFirst”. I get confused.

    Anyway…she’s either a dupe or the worst kind of hypocrite.

  32. 38

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    2

    No, traitors. Forget the trial, throw ‘em in Gitmo! Pull their fingernails out until they spill who else they told.

  33. 39

    The Socialist spews:

    71#

    ok so were are the nukes at

    our are you trying to prove what a pathetic news medea we have ? In that case I would agrea with you

  34. 40

    RightEqualsStupid spews:

    What is it with all these gay republicans who hate gays? And how long will it be before Steffy over at USP comes out?

  35. 41

    For the Clueless spews:

    Don’t go holier than thou

    You do that everday you come here Puddybud WOS.

  36. 42

    stedman spews:

    The only Repub. true believers left are now describing the Bush years as having been:”THE MOST FABULOUS EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!”

  37. 43

    Mark the Welsher spews:

    Say it isn’t so!!!! Cannot be!!!!!! The Repubics would never do anything wrong! Bill Clinton did it!!!! Hillary Clinton told him to!!!! The BLUE DRESS!!!!!!!! And YOU CAN QUOTE ME!!!
    Qweshun for you moonbats… do you really think we need another fucking vagina representing the Feminist
    Utopia of Washington? C’mon… you’ve got senator dimbulb representing the idiot view; Maria Cantwell representing
    the economically illiterate. We’ve got an unelected governor representing the moonbats here. Isn’t that enough?
    How about having a man who actually knows something, has some life experiences and is able to make a plan and do it?
    Wouldn’t that be better than more random feel good shit from a stoopid fucking woman?

  38. 44

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    WORLD FISHERIES FACE EXTINCTION

    Remember Bjorn Lomborg, the Swedish science quack who wrote a book a couple years back called “The Skeptical Environmentalist” that wingnuts slobbered all over because it purported to prove the world has no environmental problems?

    Lomborg wrote a whole chapter on oceans and fisheries, complete with footnotes. The already thoroughly discredited Lomborg, who has been acidly rebuked by scientists and academic bodies all over the world, is having another bad day today:

    “Overfishing May Threaten Seafood Population
    “By RANDOLPH E. SCHMID, AP

    “WASHINGTON (Nov. 3) – Clambakes, crabcakes, swordfish steaks and even humble fish sticks could be little more than a fond memory in a few decades. If current trends of overfishing and pollution continue, the populations of just about all seafood face collapse by 2048, a team of ecologists and economists warns in a report in Friday’s issue of the journal Science.”

    For the rest of this depressing story and/or copyright info, see http://tinyurl.com/yxnlkf

    Fish stocks are a crucial part of the human food supply. Many other countries — Japan for example — rely on ocean fisheries for protein even more than Americans do. Far more. Lomborg said, no problemo. The oceans can produce even more seafood than they do now, and the planet can support billions of additional people. There’s no environmental crisis.

    He’s full of shit.

    So are trollfuck liars like Mark the Redneck, who burns up electrons posting mindless-and-thoughtless nonsense about global warming on this board. 99.9% of the scientific community disagrees with him. So does the British government, which last week publicly rebuked the Bush administration’s environmental policies. No problemo, Redneck says. He and Lomborg must be fucking buddies.

    This points out a larger issue: The disconnect between what wingnuts say and the unpleasant realities of our world. They think saying something makes it true. No problemo, if they say we’re winning in Iraq, it’s gonna happen! If they say Kerry’s joke was about the troops, not Bush, then it was. Saying it makes it true.

    I have a suggestion for every trollfuck on this board and every wingnut in America. Strap on one of these http://tinyurl.com/ygpdts and jump off the tallest bridge, building, or cliff you can find. On the way down tell yourself there’s no such thing as gravity. No problemo.

  39. 45

    Daddy Love spews:

    Who’s Ted Haggard? The most influential evengelical leader you’ve never heard of.

    (former?) Senior pastor, New Life Church, Colorado Springs
    Participant in a weekly conference call with White House
    Said to have influence approaching that of James Dobson
    American evengelical Association (AEA) 30 million members

    Really, don’t you think that finding out the one of the most highly placed leaders of your church has been doing meth while having sex with with a gay hooker might dampen your enthusiasm for voting, after finding out the Congressional Repulicans don’t think that older representatives ahving gay sex with teenage pages is important enough to do anything about it?

  40. 46

    The Socialist spews:

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....od03m.html

    Grim outlook on global fishing draws skeptics

    Study warns there could be a collapse of most wild seafood harvests by midcentury, but a UW professor calls finding “just mind-boggling stupid.”

    See I told you we will do nuthing untill it is to late. Then we still will do nothing becoase it will have be to late.

    It is so depresing how frigging stupid humans can be

  41. 48

    rhp6033 spews:

    50: I’ve heard that one also. I’ve also heard a lot more, but I had to cut it off somewhere…..

  42. 49

    RightEqualsStupid spews:

    Well i see the righties are already spinning up their spin machine to say that the rural vote won’t count. Seems they’re worried that the dumb eastside republicans won’t figure out how to get the ballot into the mailbox before the deadline!

    Didn’t these same republican asswipes make fun of the little old ladies who had trouble with the Florida ballot in the 2000 election? As I recall, the rethugs said things like…

    “If you’re too stupid to get the ballot right you don’t deserve to vote.”

    Well guess what turd eaters, you better teach these inbred righties how to get to the post office on time or THEY don’t deserve to vote. HE HE!

  43. 50

    The Socialist spews:

    yeah I have herd several shows about this fishers being in big trouble.

    But must like;y we wont do anything about it just like global warming.

    IT is a good thing you are a vegitarean

  44. 51

    For the Clueless spews:

    Hey WOS – are you a member of a megachurch? Hutcherson? Fuiten? Whatsayyou about the sermon this Sunday?

    And the man who has the ear of the Preznit?

    Poor WOS…

  45. 52

    Daddy Love spews:

    12 MSW

    …some of those nuclear documents on the Web site were identical to the ones presented to the United Nations Security Council in late 2002

    Yep. They were the documents we always knew about from Iraq’s pre-1991 nuclear program. No surprise, nothing new, no proof on ongoing nuclear weapons programs because in 2002 there weren’t any.

    But Republicans were SO SURE taht more “proof” was in there soemwhere that they rushed the DB no the Web and now we’ve exposed advanced nuclear technologies and methods to the world, courtesy of your friendly neighborhood Republicans.

  46. 53

    Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    And here’s another contradiction missed by Goldie, but due to his moonbattiness, he can’t be counted upon for clarity:

    If these weapons are oh so bad for Iran to potentially read and download from the web site; why are they oh so good in Saddam’s Hussein’s hands?

    Think about that moonbats!

    Come on proud leftist spin away. Come on Don Joe spin away. Give all us your clue clueless.

  47. 54

    ArtFart spews:

    When are you folks going to get it figured out that JCH, Mark the Redneck and most of the other trollfucks are bots that simple post a dozen or so copies of the same thing in the comment section of each and every new topic Goldy starts on this site?

    You might as well open up your email filters and sit there reading all the spam.

  48. 55

    Daddy Love spews:

    According to gay hooker Jones, Ted Haggard told him that he had a fantasy of having an orgy with 6 young college guys, 18 to 22. Gee, you’d think 16 would be old enough for anyone. He can have Mark Foley’s sloppy seconds.

  49. 56

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    And these guys hate queers?

    “COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (Nov. 3) – The leader of the 30 million-member National Association of Evangelicals, a vocal opponent of same-sex marriage, resigned Thursday after being accused of paying for sex with a man in monthly trysts over the past three years.

    “The Rev. Ted Haggard, a married father of five who has been called one of the most influential evangelical Christians in the nation, also stepped aside as head of his 14,000-member New Life Church … saying he could ‘not continue to minister under the cloud created by the accusations.'”

    This story is quoted under Fair Use; for complete article and/or copyright info, show me your cheeks or click on http://tinyurl.com/e5nu

  50. 57

    Daddy Love spews:

    This is from Stephen Bennett, a top spokesman of the religious right, and yet another man loosely affiliated with the Concerned Women for America.

    Stephen ended, “Will this affect the elections next Tuesday? Are Republicans disenfranchised with the hypocrisy within their own party – especially the hypocrisy within the driving force – the Christian Conservative base? You better believe it.

  51. 58

    spews:

    Welcher…

    Are you stupid, or just hoping the people who read the comment thread are stupid.

    The documents in question are pre-1991. Everybody knows Saddam had WMD programs prior to the first Gulf war. The question was whether he had reconstituted them prior to the 2003 invasion. Every scrap of evidence uncovered since then says that he hadn’t.

    The Bush administration lied its way into invading Iraq. There were no WMDs. And the fact that you and your party still insist otherwise, in the face of all evidence to the contrary, shows how unfit you are to lead.

  52. 59

    Rujax! spews:

    So fuckwads…

    If you hadn’t been so busy judging others you wouldn’t be getting judged so harshly now.

    Payback’s a BITCH.

    And it hasn’t EVEN started yet.

  53. 60

    Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    Did the New York Times put on the front page that IRAQ HAD A NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROGRAM AND WAS WITHIN A YEAR OF BUILDING AN ATOMIC BOMB?

    Since “BUSH DIDN’T : Why don’t the moonbats call for the following:

    Kerry
    Dean
    Pelosi
    Reid
    Rangel
    Mitchell
    Dingell
    Clinton
    Emanuel
    Schumer
    Durbin

    to resign as they don’t care about America’s safety!

    Why don’t the moonbats call for the following:

    Kos
    Moore
    Soros
    Sarandon
    Streisand
    Chase
    Carter
    Albright
    Glover
    Penn
    Dixie Chicks
    etc.

    to STFU on Iraq?

    How impolitik of these moonbats now!

  54. 61

    Nindid spews:

    Ok neo-fascists… lets review.

    Yes, Iraq had a nuclear weapons program pre-1991. Yes, Iraq had chemical weapons pre-1991. Heck, there are probably a few artillery shells sitting around rotting in the desert to this day.

    But… and pay attention here because I know you have trouble with this part… all of this was done under Republican administrations. Now, if it were a Democratic administration this would be enough to cry treason and cry and whine publicly for months on every station that would listen. But the Republicans – demigod Reagan, no less – actually encouraged Saddam Hussein and helped support his programs.

    Now while funding and arming a military dictatorship (Saddam) and giving Islamic extremists (who trained Osama bin Laden to fire Stinger missiles again?) in Afghanistan in an attempt to ‘balance’ Iran and Russia seemed like such a great idea at the time, now it doesn’t look so good.

    After the first invasion of Iraq we set up weapons inspectors that dismantled Iraq’s nuclear program. Did they still have the documents sitting around? Yep. Did they have a program? Nope. This is why the whole ‘yellowcake’ forgery was so important to Bush.

    He needed to try and scare the shit out of people with the ‘mushroom cloud’ bit to have his little war and he was not above lying to get it done.

    Bottom line is that Bush went to the American people and said trust me. They did… but not anymore. Live with it on Tuesday guys!

  55. 62

    JDB spews:

    JCH:

    Come on, dish the dirt about you and Haggard? Did you “massage” him with your sphincter? Did you wear your sailor suit and insist that you were in the Navy? Did you call him “Tookie?” Did Haggard not consider it a sin as long as you were the bottom? We want to hear from the man “behind” Haggard?

  56. 63

    JDB spews:

    John Craigs use of Meth does explain a lot of the nonsense he post. How long have you been a tweaker JCH?

  57. 64

    Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    Sorry for the subject change but ABC News is being balanced for a change. Must be since Peter Jennings died and he hasn’t figured out how to control the news from the grave! Yeah, he’s dead!

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics.....038;page=1

    October Surprise: Democrats Can’t Hide Their Contempt for the Military

  58. 65

    Steve Schwartz spews:

    Where is the demoRove when we need him?

    Imagine this:

    (AP 11/2)
    Barak Obama called on his colleagues in the Senate to investigate:

    “The leak of A bomb plans by US government. The Senator from Illinois said, “This goes beyond party politics and even patriotism to the key issue of competence. Someone in the is administration failed and if we do not find our why that failure happened it will happen again.”

    Nancy Pelosi, potentially the next speaker of the house, announced, ” This has got to stop. Katrina, the Iraq invasion, misguided tax cuts, tolerance of corruption, and now leaking of nuclear secrets, it is a pattern .. a pattern of incompetence.”

    Darcy Burner, candidate for Congress running against a former sheriff, “I respect the President’s intent, he means well. So does my opponent, Sheriff Reichert. The time has come, however, for our government to be put in the hands of competent adults rather than ideologues who think all tax cuts for the rich are good, there are weapons of mass destruction under Saddam Hussein’s bed, global warming is a myth, evolution is some sort of evil plot , and now .. that it is OK to put A bomb plans on the “Intranets!” ” Who is better qualified, the sheriff or the Microsoft manager .. you decide.

  59. 67

    Daddy Love spews:

    14 sgmmac

    the information is already out there and Iran knows how to make the bomb.

    According to the NYT, the exposed information went far beyond wha has been publicly available previously.

    And Iran MAY “know how to make the bomb” because AQ Khan has nbeen there so many times, but knowing how is not the same as being able to.

  60. 68

    rhp6033 spews:

    Interesting politics at work in the Nevada governor’s race. If you will recall, the Republican candidate was accused of assualt in a parking garage by a woman who he met in a drinking session at the casino bar. She said he pushed her up against the garage wall and tried to sexually assault her, he said he merely helped her when she slipped and fell.

    There it would usually rest – she says, he says, no other witnesses, no way to prove the story. The garage operator told police that the garage video cameras were not working at the time. The woman withdrew her complaing, telling police she was afraid of going up against a prominent politician, but she re-filed it later when she claims she was offered cash to “make the matter go away” and threatened with harm if she didn’t accept.

    As I posted before, I wouldn’t normally care much at this point. With no evidence to support any of the charges, and with them coming so close to an election, and there being a real possiblility that a vulnerable politician was being “set up”, I wouldn’t want to form an opinion either way – especially in an out-of-state race which impacts me not at all.

    I did think it strange that a candidate for governor would take a break from campaigning to go have drinks in a bar with several women he hadn’t met before. But this is Los Vegas, after all, not the Bible Belt, and perhaps they do things differently there, and nobody thinks too much about it. It sure does leave a candidate vulnerable, though, and perhaps shows a lack of discretion and judgement to allow himself to be placed in such a situation. Even Billy Graham learned decades ago to make sure his people checked out his hotel rooms in advance before he entered – there was at least one occassion when the bedroom was occupied by a disroped female, and photogrophers were nearby.

    But here’s where it gets interesting. First there are no tapes, then suddenly there are tapes. A judge reviews the tapes, and allows some of them to be released to the media, but not all of them. The released tapes show only a security guard and a cat walking in the garage, no people. So the Republicans immediatly start shouting “Security Tapes Prove Charges Were a Lie!”

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15543760/

    But of course, they did no such thing. They were inconclusive. They obviously were not the tapes which the candidate and the woman used in the garage, since they did not show them exiting the elevator or walking to her car at all. That must have been on areas covered by the other cameras, which were not made available to the media.

    Now, some would claim that it proves the candidate wasn’t even in the garage, as his “victim” claimed. But that is contrary to the Candidate’s own statement, when he admitted walking her to the garage, and says he only touched her arm when he tried to assist her when she slipped. So if she says she was in the garage, and he admits he was in the garage, where are the tapes? And how come the garage owners first said that there were no tapes, but later it turns out that there were tapes?

    Now there are lots of possiblities. One is that the camera covering that particular portion or portions of the garage was not working. It is not clear if some camera tapes are indeed missing. Also, it is not clear what is on the tapes which were not released by the judge. Why were only the tapes showing no people released?

    Now, the candidate might be entirely innocent. After all, everyone admits that they were drinking for quite some time before the incident.

    But I’m also beginning to wonder if someone didn’t get to the tapes early. If so, the cover-up may do more damage than the initial allegation.

    Either way, its helpful to remember that the Republican ads trumpeting that the tapes prove the candidate is innocent of the charges is a lie in itself. The tapes don’t prove anything, either way.

  61. 69

    For the Clueless spews:

    you just might be a right-wing idealogue.

    Jaybo a right-wing ideolouge? Does the Pope use the outhouse in the woods?

  62. 70

    rhp6033 spews:

    48: “…followed by a considerable number of Republican House retirements over the next two years.”

    I hadn’t even thought of that. After being in power for fourteen years, and treating their Democratic colleagues as dirt, I can imagine that the prospect of spending at least the next four years in a minority would be pretty depressing.

    They will have to give up their committee and sub-committee chairmanships. They will have to move their offices to smaller, less desirable ones (with the view of the dumpsters out back). They won’t be on the news very much, at least not in a positive way. All their activities over the past fourteen years are going to be examined by the new ethics committee. Lobbyists will quit calling them, and taking them to dinner or on expensive golf outings (er, “research” junkets). Their re-election campaigns will be tougher, as they can’t point to doing very much except complain (even while things get better under a Democratic Congress). Even their use/abuse of the franking priviledge for campaign purposes will be restricted, and they won’t be able to assist in gerrymandering or electoral “reform” which is designed solely to help them get re-elected. They may actually have to try to convice the voters that they are worth re-electing.

    Dang. It’s going to be hell for them. If I was in their shoes, I would think about retiring also.

    One predictable consequence: Newt Gingrich will try to step into the gap, proclaim himself as the leadership of a “renewed” Republican party, and try to get back into power. He will argue that he is running against a currupt Democratic Congress, and against Republicans who “lost their way”. The thrice-divorced proponant of “family values” will try to put on new lipstick and re-package himself just in time for a Congressional run in 2008, or possibly for the White House.

    Anybody else remember the “New Nixon” of 1968, supposedly a kinder and gentler version of the former vice-President? Anybody think Newt can pull it off? Can we imagine four years of Bush being followed by four years of Gingrich? Can we all have a collective shudder together? One, two, three, ….”shudder”.

  63. 71

    Don Joe spews:

    rhp, that’s a great article, and, to be frank, the second part is just as spot on as the first part of the article. It can be a bit painful to stomach, but one of the reasons we’re currently stuck with George W. Bush as our President is the fact that the Democrats couldn’t figure out a way to field anyone better than John Kerry as Bush’s opponent.

    And, yes, in terms of substance, Kerry certainly has more of what it takes than George W. Bush, but one sad reality of our political system is that style is often more important than substance.

  64. 74

    Paddy Mac spews:

    Nothing new here; this gang invaded Iraq, lying about WMD, then left the massive Al-Qa’qaa weapons facility unguarded. This site, the size of Manhattan island, had been registered and sealed by the U.N.’s weapons inspectors, and was found intact, by an American television crew, during the invasion. This gave the insurgency the material for all of those IEDs which now kill our troops, and turned Iraq into a laboratory for making such bombs. (IEDs now detonate in Afghanistan.) If Iraq had had WMD, and not used all of them on our troops during our invasion, all WMD would now be in the hands of insurgents. Heckuva job, Bushie!

  65. 75

    For the Clueless spews:

    WOS – you crack me up. You’re a religious man? You the name-caller and slanderer of people you don’t even know? You the spewer of incoherent babble and believer in bull-crap like Able Danger and the Gorelick wall that even the Indian Fighter Slade Gorton says is nonsense?

    I’d think religion is all about ultimate truth but you WOS, sheesh, all you’re about is living in a cocoon of comforting bullshit.

    And the walls of that shithouse are tumbling in on you.

  66. 76

    RightEqualsStupid spews:

    Jaybo’s daddy confesses….

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15536263/

    Oh well, there goes the blame the media defense. I guess you can try the blame Clinton defense now. Or maybe the vast left wing conspiracy defense or of course there’s the blame it on Moveon.org defense. Problem is Jaybones, your daddy has confessed and it wasn’t Bill Clinton or Moveon or the media that put the dick in his mouth!

  67. 78

    Daddy Love spews:

    jaybo

    What makes you think that lamont is “now being written off?” Convince us that ths is not just your ignorant opinion.

  68. 79

    For the Clueless spews:

    Jaybo – hey do you love that “sinner” Ted Haggard who has the ear of your Preznit? And of course you totally love that “sinner” GWB who was an alcoholic, occassional coke sniffer and womanizer.

    Of course you have no love for that sinner Bill Clinton who apologized publically for his missteps.

    You wingnuts will “love” any “sinner” – as long as they subscribe to the same myths and play nice on your team. Spout the bull-crap, line up behind the same failed bankrupt policies and any behavior is forgivable.

  69. 80

    Rujax! spews:

    The Republican Party is a big steaming, stinking turd sitting in the middle of America.

    Nice job fuckwads.

    Now try to get ANYONE elected for the next 30 years.

  70. 81

    The Socialist spews:

    Haggard, an outspoken opponent of same-sex marriage, vigorously denied the allegation. “Never had a gay relationship with anybody, and I’m steady with my wife. I’m faithful to my wife,” he told a Colorado television station, KUSA.

    But in a later interview with a different local station, the church’s associate pastor said Haggard had offered “some admission of indiscretion” to the church leadership — though “not admission to all of the material that has been discussed.”

    So teddy admite the dirty deed BWAHAHAAAAHAAHAAHAAAA

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....00317.html

  71. 82

    The Socialist spews:

    This is one more factor that could increase the disillusionment of evangelicals with prominent leaders on the Christian right and with the political process as a whole, and some may conclude that perhaps their forebears were wise to be wary about politics,” said William Martin, a professor of religion and public policy at Rice University and a biographer of the Rev. Billy Graham.

    I agrea with Billy

  72. 83

    The Socialist spews:

    Haggard’s accuser identified himself as Mike Jones, 49. Jones said in radio and television interviews that he had a three-year sexual relationship with the pastor, who he said came to Denver and paid him for sex about once a month.

  73. 84

    eponymous coward spews:

    Way to go, Honest Dave!

    http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.....rd_to_bush

    A few days ago, a story broke out of Washington state saying that a school bus driver got fired by a local school board last June for giving the finger to President Bush. The story’s set off a lot of buzz in Washington political circles, because of an unanswered question at the center of the tale: Did Rep. Dave Reichert (R-WA), who was with Bush during the incident, engineer the driver’s firing behind the scenes as retribution for insulting the President? His spokesman has been saying that he didn’t. But now Reichert — who’s fending off a tougher-than-expected challenge from Dem Darcy Burner — has been caught on tape boasting to an audience of Republicans that, yes, he did engineer the driver’s firing as retribution for the insult to Bush.

    On tape, even.

  74. 85

    RightEqualsStupid spews:

    Now that we see the republican White House has endangered US security by giving away nuke secrets to Iran and the rest of the world, can we FINALLY admit that these assholes are:

    1) Traitors
    2) Morons
    3) Incompetent
    4) All of the above

  75. 86

    The Socialist spews:

    Jones told Peter Boyles, host of a talk-radio show on KHOW-AM station, that he has recorded voice-mail messages and a letter from Haggard, and that he witnessed the pastor using methamphetamine

  76. 87

    Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    Good point sgmmac. Didn’t the opinion page editor ADMIT there was nothing wrong with the Administration looking over financial records which the NYT leaked in full fanfare June 22nd?
    The HorsesAss moonbats went apoplexic!

    And the koolaid drinking Goldie swallows it all up!