Interesting. At most, Richard Curtis could be guilty of a patronizing a prostitute, which is a criminal misdemeanor. In theory, punishable by up to 90 days in jail, but something which usually results in just a fine.
In this case, Curtis isn’t being charged with a crime at all, and the police view him as the victim of a much more serious crime — namely alleged felony extortion by the other man.
And the Republicans expect that Curtis should be required to resign over this matter? This would be an extremely principled position — provided that it were held consistently and applied for this alleged crime and any crimes which are more serious.
Drunk driving is a much more serious crime. It is a gross misdemeanor (in some cases a felony), punishable by up to a year in jail, and mandatory jail time in any event upon conviction. Drunk driving kills something like 17,000 people a year on America’s highways, and injures hundreds of thousands more.
So why do Republicans call for their own to resign for minor misdemeanors associated with sexual preference problems, call for Democrats to resign when arrested for drunk driving, but do everything possible to promote their own candidates who are arrested for drunk driving?
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My Left Footspews:
Sam @ 3:
Dear Sam,
The duplicitous behavior is what was outed. His voting record against equal rights and treatment for Gays is what the problem is. He sucks dick at night, dresses like a woman on road trips, puts on a suit during the week and votes to keep Gays as second class citizens. That is duplicitous. Google it.
No one here is condemning him for being Gay, Bi or whatever. He is being excoriated for being two faced, a liar and a cad. For the record, Goldy did not “OUT” Mr. Curtis. Please go back and read everything again. Reading comprehension is apparently not your strong suit.
Dumbass!!
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2nd Amendment Democratspews:
RP @ 4;
I think it is called a double standard.
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Tlazolteotlspews:
So why do Republicans call for their own to resign for minor misdemeanors associated with sexual preference problems, call for Democrats to resign when arrested for drunk driving, but do everything possible to promote their own candidates who are arrested for drunk driving?
Or impeach Democratic presidents for receiving a consensual blowjob, while not impeaching Republican ones who admit to violating the law (e.g. FISA)?
That, Richard, is the million dollar question!
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proud leftistspews:
3
This post is as straightforward, commentary-free, as a post can be. Are you suggesting that a state representative’s resignation is not a newsworthy event? Personally, I feel sorry for the guy. He’s got some issues he needs to address, and I hope he finds some peace. Resignation would seem like the most reasonable first step in that direction (though Larry Craig would disagree with him). By the way, your calling yourself Sam Adams denigrates a true American patriot.
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RonK, Seattlespews:
And he didn’t even a “Halloween prank” excuse the old college try.
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My Left Footspews:
8:
Sam thought Sam Adams is a beer. He has/had no idea there was really a Sam Adams who was one of our country’s great patriots.
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proud leftistspews:
10
As I think about it, you’re probably right, I probably gave Sam more credit than he deserves in thinking he knew enough about history to know who Sam Adams was. Sam’s posts indicate the only history he’s acquainted with is that found in Rush Limbaugh’s archives.
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michaelspews:
Yup, what #5 said.
This is too much fun. The Republicans are going down! Hehehe….
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Tlazolteotlspews:
Richard, the true answer to your question, as I’m sure you are aware, has less to do with rule of law and more to do with the GOP’s pandering to so-called “values voters,” who apparently are of the opinion that any sort of law-breaking is excusable unless it involves sex, especially “teh gay secks.”
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Mattyspews:
Ughhh…yet another one. Does the fact I’m an R, single, never-married, like girls, and would have supported 2661 regardless of caucus pressure mean I’m even more confused?
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Roger Rabbitspews:
I hope he doesn’t go into the garage and turn the motor on, but I’ve got a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach that’s what comes next in this unfolding saga.
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Roger Rabbitspews:
The “I Didn’t Swallow the Jizz” Republicans are falling like tenpins.
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ArtFartspews:
The GOP is no doubt happy to have Richard Curtis resign because under the present circumstances, he doesn’t have a prayer of getting reelected. For some reason, it seems being in command of 4,000 pounds of hurtling metal while being swacked out of one’s mind isn’t as politically poisonous as public revelation of off-the-grid sexual proclivities.
Richard Curtis is no doubt trying to avoid a hell of public embarrassment. I realize that being him ain’t much fun right now. I’m also relieved that someone with such significant personal issues is no longer involved in forging the laws we all have to live by.
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ArtFartspews:
14 Not at all.
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Liberal Dragonspews:
What a sad society we live in. One where a man can’t even come out and be who he is. One where shame, guilt and fear rule his life to the point that he STILL denies he’s gay.
This country is soooooo fucked and hypocritical. Just liek Larry Craig, he still is hanging out in the closet (denial, denial, denial) even though he basically likes to suck dick. I mean really, every horny homo in the U.S. knows that the MSP bathroom is one of the most notorious in the country for a hook up and frankly the Minneapolis Police would not have been there if there was not a problem.
Really people, our puritanical views about sex really lead us down the path of a big pile of shit, shame and denial and it’s really tired.
Craig should resign not because of having sex with a man, but because he’s a chicken shit with no balls.
Look on the bright side – no he can move to The Castro and study “art.”
…and a lot of other guys other than Art!!
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Tlazolteotlspews:
So, Pip, Bush has admitted openly to disregarding the FISA law. Since he swore an oath to uphold the Constitution and our laws, shouldn’t he resign or be impeached and removed from office?
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Thomas Trainwinderspews:
Fred Jarrett running for 41st State Senate? Push Polls out there….
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Tlazolteotlspews:
In other happy wingnut news, a jury as just delivered a 10.9 million dollar judgment against Fred Phelps and his inbred “church.” Yay!
25
Tlazolteotlspews:
@21: Heh! He can study “Dicks” too!
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Tlazolteotlspews:
Oh wait! He already is a Dick!
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ArtFartspews:
24 That’s the most cheerful piece of news I’ve heard in quite a while!
“It was perjury…lying under oath, for which His Billness subsequently lost his Arkansas law license.”
Wrong, wrong, and wrong.
He was not convicted of perjury or any other criminal charge. (He was, however convicted of a civil charge of contempt of court.)
Additionally, he did not lose his Arkansas law license. It was suspended for five years.
But it wasn’t suspended directly out of the contempt charge. Rather, it was suspended as part of a bargain he made with Kenneth Starr to terminate the Special Council Investigation.
Man…you Wingnuts can’t get anything right!
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fairyspews:
MESSAGE FOR SEATTLE VOTERS
Just wondering – do you think Mr. Curtis was a fan of Concerned Women of America?
My bet says – YES. Bet he sent them money when he got their fund raising letters. Think on it.
Remember to vote.
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fairyspews:
Venus just left the office next door for a party – she is carrying a bottle and a steering wheel.
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Facts Support My Positionsspews:
Darryl, we must apologize for Piper. He seems to get his “Facts” mixed up all the time.
Piper, turn off Rush Limpdik, and turn on Air America, or Goldy, and get a clue…..
God, I’m glad I don’t live on the wrong side of history…. And All Facts Support My Positions.
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chadtspews:
Don’t be disingenuous, Piper. You (and we all) know that he was impeached for sexual misconduct, and it serves no purpose other than hypocrisy to pretend otherwise. It may well be that most people were offended by his conduct, but this “angels on the head of a pin” legalism is worthy of no-one.
It was, as you may recall, that Henry Hyde holier-than-thou puritanism that brought considerable grief to the Republicans in the months that followed.
33
YLBspews:
Paraphrasing Senator Craig:
“He’s a naughty, nasty boy!”
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Roger Rabbitspews:
@4 Yes, yes, Richard, we know you’re running against Jane Hague who was arrested for DUI and has committed numerous other infractions against public peace and order (including sassing the arresting officer). This is what elections are for. You’re running against a crippled opponent. Whup her ass! Go get her, boy!
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Roger Rabbitspews:
@4 And whatever you do, win or lose, don’t try to win your election the way Low Tax Looper tried to win his. But I don’t need to tell you that.
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Another TJspews:
I hope he doesn’t go into the garage and turn the motor on, but I’ve got a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach that’s what comes next in this unfolding saga.
I’m worried that you’re right. One minute he’s a state legislator, the next he’s a national joke. What remained of his marriage and home life is shattered, and he’s got to know it.
I’ve made my jokes like everyone else, so I’m not innocent either, but let’s try to remember he’s a human being too. Now that he’s resigned, I hope we can let the legal case run its course.
I’m certainly not going to become some kind of comment police; it’s not my place to tell people what to discuss or how to discuss it. And it’s no small thing to consider that Curtis held himself up for public scrutiny knowing that he led a lifestyle that would be supremely embarrassing if it were to become widely known. I would just ask that people consider where the “piling on” line is and whether it’s necessary or appropriate to cross it.
Don’t ever forget. The Republicons used the hatred of gays to motivate their minions for their GOTV machine. If it wasn’t for all that hate, the same sex marriage amendment crap, and the NAZI rantings from people that preach hate, and intolerance for other law abiding citizens from the pulpit, half the red states would be blue.
Pile on all you want. Republicons are a disease. Their party is rotten from the top to the bottom, in every way. They resemble the mafia far more than anything else.
Curtis’s crime wasn’t being gay, it was for being a Republiconvict while gay. Voting against people like himself every step of the way. It would be like an African American politician voting against affirmative action. Like an old person voting against medicare.
Every time another hypocrite fake family (sick) values Republiconvict slimeball gets outed, America heals a little more.
Mr. Curtis. Please do us all a favor. Find yourself. Be who you are, regardless what the knuckle draggers think. Screw them, for they are idiots, and fools. Gay Pride. It means something. Someday you will figure it out. Much happiness.
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My Left Footspews:
Not sure if this has been posted or not, but the last three paragraphs are very telling:
From now on, we should assume that any politician who rants about “morality” has a private life which would humiliate the biggest queen of the SF or NY Pride Parades. How many more of these hypocrites have yet to suffer exposure?
And, as for “piling on”, I do feel sorry for the wives and children of these raging, self-hating closet cases. (And, in each case, I hope the wife’s HIV test is negative.) I do NOT feel ANY sympathy for a guy (not “man”) who makes a political career of victimizing a small and historically despised minority OF WHICH HE IS A PART. Bashing queers is, by definition, immoral, and anyone who does it deserves condemnation. Gay men who do it deserve humiliation as well.
RonK, Seattle spews:
If he’s NOT gay, he is one REALLY weird dude.
Particle Man spews:
DRAFT STILWELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sam Adams spews:
For those who champion the cause of the “underdog” you sure are quick to “out” and ridicule someone perceived as living an alternative lifestyle.
Yet it’s the “neocons” that are the nazis.
Richard Pope spews:
Interesting. At most, Richard Curtis could be guilty of a patronizing a prostitute, which is a criminal misdemeanor. In theory, punishable by up to 90 days in jail, but something which usually results in just a fine.
In this case, Curtis isn’t being charged with a crime at all, and the police view him as the victim of a much more serious crime — namely alleged felony extortion by the other man.
And the Republicans expect that Curtis should be required to resign over this matter? This would be an extremely principled position — provided that it were held consistently and applied for this alleged crime and any crimes which are more serious.
Drunk driving is a much more serious crime. It is a gross misdemeanor (in some cases a felony), punishable by up to a year in jail, and mandatory jail time in any event upon conviction. Drunk driving kills something like 17,000 people a year on America’s highways, and injures hundreds of thousands more.
So why do Republicans call for their own to resign for minor misdemeanors associated with sexual preference problems, call for Democrats to resign when arrested for drunk driving, but do everything possible to promote their own candidates who are arrested for drunk driving?
My Left Foot spews:
Sam @ 3:
Dear Sam,
The duplicitous behavior is what was outed. His voting record against equal rights and treatment for Gays is what the problem is. He sucks dick at night, dresses like a woman on road trips, puts on a suit during the week and votes to keep Gays as second class citizens. That is duplicitous. Google it.
No one here is condemning him for being Gay, Bi or whatever. He is being excoriated for being two faced, a liar and a cad. For the record, Goldy did not “OUT” Mr. Curtis. Please go back and read everything again. Reading comprehension is apparently not your strong suit.
Dumbass!!
2nd Amendment Democrat spews:
RP @ 4;
I think it is called a double standard.
Tlazolteotl spews:
So why do Republicans call for their own to resign for minor misdemeanors associated with sexual preference problems, call for Democrats to resign when arrested for drunk driving, but do everything possible to promote their own candidates who are arrested for drunk driving?
Or impeach Democratic presidents for receiving a consensual blowjob, while not impeaching Republican ones who admit to violating the law (e.g. FISA)?
That, Richard, is the million dollar question!
proud leftist spews:
3
This post is as straightforward, commentary-free, as a post can be. Are you suggesting that a state representative’s resignation is not a newsworthy event? Personally, I feel sorry for the guy. He’s got some issues he needs to address, and I hope he finds some peace. Resignation would seem like the most reasonable first step in that direction (though Larry Craig would disagree with him). By the way, your calling yourself Sam Adams denigrates a true American patriot.
RonK, Seattle spews:
And he didn’t even a “Halloween prank” excuse the old college try.
My Left Foot spews:
8:
Sam thought Sam Adams is a beer. He has/had no idea there was really a Sam Adams who was one of our country’s great patriots.
proud leftist spews:
10
As I think about it, you’re probably right, I probably gave Sam more credit than he deserves in thinking he knew enough about history to know who Sam Adams was. Sam’s posts indicate the only history he’s acquainted with is that found in Rush Limbaugh’s archives.
michael spews:
Yup, what #5 said.
This is too much fun. The Republicans are going down! Hehehe….
Tlazolteotl spews:
Richard, the true answer to your question, as I’m sure you are aware, has less to do with rule of law and more to do with the GOP’s pandering to so-called “values voters,” who apparently are of the opinion that any sort of law-breaking is excusable unless it involves sex, especially “teh gay secks.”
Matty spews:
Ughhh…yet another one. Does the fact I’m an R, single, never-married, like girls, and would have supported 2661 regardless of caucus pressure mean I’m even more confused?
Roger Rabbit spews:
I hope he doesn’t go into the garage and turn the motor on, but I’ve got a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach that’s what comes next in this unfolding saga.
Roger Rabbit spews:
The “I Didn’t Swallow the Jizz” Republicans are falling like tenpins.
ArtFart spews:
The GOP is no doubt happy to have Richard Curtis resign because under the present circumstances, he doesn’t have a prayer of getting reelected. For some reason, it seems being in command of 4,000 pounds of hurtling metal while being swacked out of one’s mind isn’t as politically poisonous as public revelation of off-the-grid sexual proclivities.
Richard Curtis is no doubt trying to avoid a hell of public embarrassment. I realize that being him ain’t much fun right now. I’m also relieved that someone with such significant personal issues is no longer involved in forging the laws we all have to live by.
ArtFart spews:
14 Not at all.
Liberal Dragon spews:
What a sad society we live in. One where a man can’t even come out and be who he is. One where shame, guilt and fear rule his life to the point that he STILL denies he’s gay.
This country is soooooo fucked and hypocritical. Just liek Larry Craig, he still is hanging out in the closet (denial, denial, denial) even though he basically likes to suck dick. I mean really, every horny homo in the U.S. knows that the MSP bathroom is one of the most notorious in the country for a hook up and frankly the Minneapolis Police would not have been there if there was not a problem.
Really people, our puritanical views about sex really lead us down the path of a big pile of shit, shame and denial and it’s really tired.
Craig should resign not because of having sex with a man, but because he’s a chicken shit with no balls.
Piper Scott spews:
@7…Tlazolteotl…
It was perjury…lying under oath, for which His Billness subsequently lost his Arkansas law license.
The Piper
Politically Incorrect spews:
Look on the bright side – no he can move to The Castro and study “art.”
…and a lot of other guys other than Art!!
Tlazolteotl spews:
So, Pip, Bush has admitted openly to disregarding the FISA law. Since he swore an oath to uphold the Constitution and our laws, shouldn’t he resign or be impeached and removed from office?
Thomas Trainwinder spews:
Fred Jarrett running for 41st State Senate? Push Polls out there….
Tlazolteotl spews:
In other happy wingnut news, a jury as just delivered a 10.9 million dollar judgment against Fred Phelps and his inbred “church.” Yay!
Tlazolteotl spews:
@21: Heh! He can study “Dicks” too!
Tlazolteotl spews:
Oh wait! He already is a Dick!
ArtFart spews:
24 That’s the most cheerful piece of news I’ve heard in quite a while!
Darryl spews:
Piper Scott @ 20
“It was perjury…lying under oath, for which His Billness subsequently lost his Arkansas law license.”
Wrong, wrong, and wrong.
He was not convicted of perjury or any other criminal charge. (He was, however convicted of a civil charge of contempt of court.)
Additionally, he did not lose his Arkansas law license. It was suspended for five years.
But it wasn’t suspended directly out of the contempt charge. Rather, it was suspended as part of a bargain he made with Kenneth Starr to terminate the Special Council Investigation.
Man…you Wingnuts can’t get anything right!
fairy spews:
MESSAGE FOR SEATTLE VOTERS
Just wondering – do you think Mr. Curtis was a fan of Concerned Women of America?
My bet says – YES. Bet he sent them money when he got their fund raising letters. Think on it.
Remember to vote.
fairy spews:
Venus just left the office next door for a party – she is carrying a bottle and a steering wheel.
Facts Support My Positions spews:
Darryl, we must apologize for Piper. He seems to get his “Facts” mixed up all the time.
Piper, turn off Rush Limpdik, and turn on Air America, or Goldy, and get a clue…..
God, I’m glad I don’t live on the wrong side of history…. And All Facts Support My Positions.
chadt spews:
Don’t be disingenuous, Piper. You (and we all) know that he was impeached for sexual misconduct, and it serves no purpose other than hypocrisy to pretend otherwise. It may well be that most people were offended by his conduct, but this “angels on the head of a pin” legalism is worthy of no-one.
It was, as you may recall, that Henry Hyde holier-than-thou puritanism that brought considerable grief to the Republicans in the months that followed.
YLB spews:
Paraphrasing Senator Craig:
“He’s a naughty, nasty boy!”
Roger Rabbit spews:
@4 Yes, yes, Richard, we know you’re running against Jane Hague who was arrested for DUI and has committed numerous other infractions against public peace and order (including sassing the arresting officer). This is what elections are for. You’re running against a crippled opponent. Whup her ass! Go get her, boy!
Roger Rabbit spews:
@4 And whatever you do, win or lose, don’t try to win your election the way Low Tax Looper tried to win his. But I don’t need to tell you that.
Another TJ spews:
I hope he doesn’t go into the garage and turn the motor on, but I’ve got a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach that’s what comes next in this unfolding saga.
I’m worried that you’re right. One minute he’s a state legislator, the next he’s a national joke. What remained of his marriage and home life is shattered, and he’s got to know it.
I’ve made my jokes like everyone else, so I’m not innocent either, but let’s try to remember he’s a human being too. Now that he’s resigned, I hope we can let the legal case run its course.
I’m certainly not going to become some kind of comment police; it’s not my place to tell people what to discuss or how to discuss it. And it’s no small thing to consider that Curtis held himself up for public scrutiny knowing that he led a lifestyle that would be supremely embarrassing if it were to become widely known. I would just ask that people consider where the “piling on” line is and whether it’s necessary or appropriate to cross it.
carl spews:
I hear he loves Larry Craig’s wife.
Facts Support My Positions spews:
Don’t ever forget. The Republicons used the hatred of gays to motivate their minions for their GOTV machine. If it wasn’t for all that hate, the same sex marriage amendment crap, and the NAZI rantings from people that preach hate, and intolerance for other law abiding citizens from the pulpit, half the red states would be blue.
Pile on all you want. Republicons are a disease. Their party is rotten from the top to the bottom, in every way. They resemble the mafia far more than anything else.
Curtis’s crime wasn’t being gay, it was for being a Republiconvict while gay. Voting against people like himself every step of the way. It would be like an African American politician voting against affirmative action. Like an old person voting against medicare.
Every time another hypocrite fake family (sick) values Republiconvict slimeball gets outed, America heals a little more.
Mr. Curtis. Please do us all a favor. Find yourself. Be who you are, regardless what the knuckle draggers think. Screw them, for they are idiots, and fools. Gay Pride. It means something. Someday you will figure it out. Much happiness.
My Left Foot spews:
Not sure if this has been posted or not, but the last three paragraphs are very telling:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21568392/
Paddy Mac spews:
From now on, we should assume that any politician who rants about “morality” has a private life which would humiliate the biggest queen of the SF or NY Pride Parades. How many more of these hypocrites have yet to suffer exposure?
And, as for “piling on”, I do feel sorry for the wives and children of these raging, self-hating closet cases. (And, in each case, I hope the wife’s HIV test is negative.) I do NOT feel ANY sympathy for a guy (not “man”) who makes a political career of victimizing a small and historically despised minority OF WHICH HE IS A PART. Bashing queers is, by definition, immoral, and anyone who does it deserves condemnation. Gay men who do it deserve humiliation as well.