As it turns out, firefighters aren’t the only people opposed to Initiative 933. So is Gov. Christine Gregoire and all six of Washington’s living former governors: Gary Locke, Mike Lowry, Booth Gardner, John Spellman, Dan Evans and Albert Rosellini.
The governors criticized the initiative as a legal mess waiting to happen, saying Washington’s land-use regulations aren’t easy to simply disregard.
Proponents of the legislation say it was drafted to protect farmland, and Gregoire said she isn’t denying that current regulations can make it difficult for farmers to operate.
“We have to keep land in farming,” she said. “This initiative will not do that.”
Evans added that the initiative could do exactly the opposite by increasing pressure to sell farmland to developers, who would have the same advantages as farmers under the proposal.
I suppose in defense of the initiative, one could argue that all seven governors — Democrats and Republicans alike — dedicated much of their lives to public service specifically for the purpose of screwing property owners. But then, one would have to be a lunatic.
I suppose in defense of the initiative, one could argue that all seven governors – Democrats and Republicans alike – dedicated much of their lives to public service specifically for the purpose of screwing property owners. Bet then, one would have to be a lunatic.
So, you’re basically describing a good chunk of the state Republican party, then- considering the people they usually nominate in contested primaries (the Craswell/Smith wing of the party).
Well, duh…..
Has Rosellini taken a stand on the Seattle stripper’s ordinance yet? Or is he too busy behind he scenes arranging illegal contributions?
I wonder if the minnow’s handlers at the BIAW will let him post on this. Imagine how much the BIAW could have done with their money if they hadn’t wasted it all on Supreme Court races and 933.
Isn’t the Farm Bureau supporting I-933?
There is a big difference between EMINENT DOMAIN & REGULATORY TAKINGS . In regards to eminent domain when property is condemned for public good , the landholder is compensated . With a regulatory takings the owner retains title and risk and pays taxes on the property and the public doesn’t pay a dime . Sounds like theft to me .
Why don’t landholders have a grievance ? Why hasn’t anybody thought of paying for the takings , It would be a bargain afterall , it is forever .I-933 will stop the regulatory takings before they reach your front yard , I-933 is only fair , vote YES on I-933 .
spit:
Yes, I should be able to put a slaughter house on my property in North Tacoma! It is my property! Why should those damn government hacks prevent me from doing so just becaue it is a health hazard and a nuisance? I should also be able to damn up any stream on my property, and fill in any wet lands! So what if leaving them makes everyones property worth more. What is more important is what I want to do with my property!
Every man holds his property subject to the general right of the community to regulate its use to whatever degree the public welfare may require it.
– Theodore Roosevelt, speech at Osawatomie, Kansas, “The New Nationalism” (August 31, 1910)
http://www.edheritage.org/1910.....sevelt.htm
Ooops, looks like a true conservative disagrees with me and you spit. I guess we will both have to vote no on 933
Do you think any one of the six living former Governors would give up their homes?
In the animation on following website, they call it “Gangster Politicians,” and you know what, they’re exactly right.
http://yeson933.com
Take action and vote YES on I-933!
I and my family are all voting for I933 – You libs want my land, Buy it!
Even Ken Schram gets the drift that the CAO is the radical equivalence that drove I933 to ever be necessary.
Get a clue! The CAO Sucks!
Mr. spit in the ocean: I’m gonna establish a mosqeeter farm on my proppity. Right next to my used tahr dump. Just to sell skeeters to those libral smarty-pants researchers out there somewheres. Haven’t fingered out what to do with the used tahrs yet, but will finger it out pretty soon, y’hear? Just practicin’ my cornstitutioningal rahts, y’hear?
To the rest of the thinking world: Somebody mentioned the Farm Bureau. Just for fun, find the Washington State Farm Bureau site. Write down the leadership names. Then go to ewg.org, where there is a database of the welfare–er–subsidy payments made to farmers all over the country. (There have been something like 65,000,000 searches on this site since it started and when this site first started, nearly 100% of the hits were farmers looking up their neighbors’ welfare–er–subsidy payments.) Then click on Washington state and insert the names in the database search. Options include searching by crop, city, zip code, name(s), etc. Fascinating to read about the “family farmers” here, especially compared to their nice little statements on the farm bureau site. On almost envisions the triangle dinner call sound with the red and white checked tablecloth, etc.
The following are ONLY by the first and last names of the Farm Bureau leadership folks: Steve Appel = $270k; Robyn Meenach = $85k; Dean Farrens = $311k in welfare–er–subsidy payments over the last 10 years. Family farmers my a**.
And of course, NONE of this includes where they launder–er–direct the subsidy payments to other family members. Go back and redo the seach using ONLY the last name and there are plenty of big families getting their checks.
When Is how this to my loyal Republican friends at work–you know–the ones who support SMALLER government and INDEPENDENT business, their blood pressure goes straight up and their faces turn red. Then I have to hand out valiums.
So if you REALLY want to believe this issue is about fambly farmers struggling to break up dirt clods, do so. Otherwise, pffffffbt.
Those who support I-933 essentially deny the concept of a community. They believe that every person should be able to trash his or her land freely, without the government having anything to say. These people are incapable of looking to longterm social interests; rather, they are quick buck thinkers who could give a rat’s ass about their neighbors. Ironically, those who support I-933 would find that in a short time their land values could very well decline because the lack of effective regulation would preclude any sort of meaningful predictions about future use of surrounding properties. Who, for instance, would buy a home next to a piece of land that could be developed for a hog farm? We all have neighbors, and most of us desire some restraint on what our neighbors can do with their land. Hence, we have land use laws. Eminent domain is an effective remedy for a governmental taking. A regulatory “taking” that does not result in compensation is a small price to pay for being part of a community. I-933 is a measure supported by shortsighted selfish bastards who see no value in community values.
@9: Well, that does it. If you own land in rural King County and you feel the CAO has “taken” something from you, well just fine. Send me the bill, and I’ll cut you a check.
Wait. There’s more. The check will be net of the following costs–ANY public improvements anywhere close to your property that have increased its value since you bought it.
Don’t forget to bring the deed with you when you come for the dough.
@6: “Why hasn’t anybody though of paying for takings?”
Here’s why. Nothing has been taken. Pretty simple, huh? Or are you just another conservative freeloader who thinks government is just a big piggy bank?
This initiative guts the local Zoning board. It would seem to allow anyone to build anything anywhere unless “compensated” by the Government not to do so. Stupid, Stupid, Stupid.
20 years in the Army had me moving around the country and I have seen it all; from the stupidity of El Paso County Colorados unlimited growth to the careful planning of Hartford county Maryland and its determination to prevent urban sprawl. Anyone who is halfway familiar with the computer game SimCity knows what I mean.
Zoning Boards exist for a reason. Would any of my conservative brothers find it acceptable if neighbor Jones, who owns property in smith town but lives 300 miles away in Marysville, decided his property in smith town would be a perfect site for dumping nuclear waste?
“It’s Only Fair” hahahahahahahahahahahahaha Wait. Oh, right. hahahahahahahahahahaha
I once attended a hearing on the shape of the proposed county council districts when the wingbat dummies reduced the KKC from 13 to 9 seats (effectively cutting their own representation, but that’s another story).
So up goes this yahoo railing against the CAO saying he moved further out into rural King County because the Kent Valley had been “paved over” losing its appealing “rural character”.
And I had to shake my head in wonderment. Was this guy born stupid or did he put in years of hard work to attain this level of breathtaking mendacity?
“Raise taxes until the property owners sell and leave the state!!” [JDB]
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I think you’re posing a Nature v. Nurture question. My sense is that the most gifted idiots on the right draw from both God-given deficiencies and poor upbringing to attain the heights of rightwing lunacy and hypocrisy–they are both born dumb and work hard to ensure that no knowledge penetrates their closed minds. For example, JCH and MWS plainly devote considerable effort (by listening only to Rush Limbaugh and reading only rightwing blogs) to perpetuating the intellectual disabilities with which they were born. Likewise, our idiot-in-chief maintains his congenital predisposition toward not thinking by preventing exposure to anyone who thinks differently than him.
re 17: If land use regulations reduce the value of a property then the owner will pay fewer taxes. Isn’t that what you want: lower taxes?
“Raise taxes until the property owners sell and leave the state!!” [JDB]
….and those of us who stay can pick up some nice beachfront property for a song. Then we impliment a rational progressive income tax.
You’re a real genius, “doc”.
This is just more corporate welfare from the party that CLAIMS to be conservative. Just like Dickey Pope claiming to be against taxes and then trying to get a job, ANY job, where he can live off the government tit!
See the the truth abotu demon-crats.
#7 , you are fear mongering and you know , most landholders have as much respect for the land as you do , they just don’t want to be paying for your ascetic interpretation of things , afterall in 20 years , your view may prove to be completely full of shit .
You should know that this does noe effect all land use laws , at least be truthful . If it would cost billions to pay landholders then something of great value has been taken . I am part of the communiy , but stealing my land rights is not a community value I am aware of . VOTE yes on I-933 , why not , it’s about equity and fairness .
For example, JCH and MWS plainly devote considerable effort (by listening only to Rush Limbaugh and reading only rightwing blogs) to perpetuating the intellectual disabilities with which they were born. Likewise, our idiot-in-chief maintains his congenital predisposition toward not thinking by preventing exposure to anyone who thinks differently than him. Commentby proud leftist— 10/10/06@ 12:39 pm
Leftist dipshit, where I work radio reception is lousy. Also we are monitored in what we can read on the web. How’s those apples you leftist dipshit? I can come to my own conclusions and you need to drink the kool-aid (yes, I understand the Jim Jones connotation) but the Furballettes drink it librully!
Intellectual disabilities: You are the moron here. I read many sites. How else could I present Kos and Alter as racist proud leftist dipshits unless I READ THEM?
Were you naturally stupid from the womb or did moonbattiness come naturally after puberty?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2002390000-2006470092,00.html
Proud Leftist Dipship – The SUN, leftist paper
MWS
With poor radio reception and monitored web access, it sounds like you’re in a minimum security prison–Clallam Bay, perhaps? Good luck on getting rehabilitated. You surely have some difficult obstacles to overcome.
For instance: Why does CNN run to Bill Richardson when John Bolton is the UN Ambassador?
For Instance: Why does CNN run to Madaline NotBright when Condoleeza Rice is the SoS?
For Instance: Why does CNN run to Clinton Administration officials when as you all love to say “he’s been gone six years”?
For Instance: Why does CNN run to Wesley Clark when things are discussed in Iraq instead of Tommy Franks?
For Instance: Why does CNN run to Hillary Clinton when they want a sound bite about anything?
Facts hurt the librul mind!
22 Lil Kim
So the way to persuade the leader of another nation to do what you want is to smack him the in face repeatedly and never give him anything he wants, just because he wants it.
You know, if you had, like, ever tried this with another human being before in your life, you’d know why it doesn’t work.
MWS
Why can’t we negotiate with North Korea?
They’re no threat. All they have are one failed long-range missile launch and one failed nuclear test to their name. All they want is a piece of paper that says the Korean War is over, and maybe a little trade. In return I think they would they give up or lock up their nukes and allow IAEA inspectors.
Hey donk faces: You still haven’t answered the post from Investors Daily. Here read it again:
Pelosinomics
INVESTOR’S BUSINESS DAILY
Posted 10/6/2006
Political Economy: Now that it’s all scandal, all the time in Washington, the Democrats are letting their guard down a bit to tell us what they’ll do with the economy after they win in November. Maybe we should listen.
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi has been all over the place talking about what Democrats will do after they win Nov. 7. But it’s hard to take her seriously when she promises to “jump-start our economy and reform our economic policy . . . to address the needs of working families.”
Huh?
“Jump-start the economy”? That’s what President Bush did in 2003, when he pushed through bold, broad tax cuts to end a slump that began in 2000 under a Democratic administration.
Since the cuts took effect, the economy has added $1.26 trillion in real output, $14.4 trillion in net wealth and 5.8 million new jobs, while productivity has grown 10% and business investment 24%. Since 2000, total consumer spending has risen $1 trillion — nearly $8,000 per household — after adjusting for inflation. The Dow Jones industrial average is hitting new highs.
Then there’s the budget deficit, which the Congressional Budget Office reckons will come in around $250 billion. By our calculations, that’s about 1.9% of total output. In early 2004, when Bush vowed to halve the shortfall, it stood at 3.6% of GDP.
The fact is — and we’re dealing with facts here, not fantasies — this economy has done better than anyone expected, especially given the mammoth hits it took in the months just before and after Bush took over in January 2001. Democrats know this full well, despite their rhetoric.
They know that nearly $7 trillion in wealth was washed away by the stock market’s collapse in 2000 and 2001. They also know that business investment essentially collapsed for three years as a result of that market meltdown and 9/11.
And yet, as noted in a new report from Congress’ Joint Economic Committee, ours has outperformed every other major industrial economy since 2001. Reason: tax cuts and low interest rates.
What do the Democrats promise to do about all this prosperity? They’ll let the tax cuts lapse, socking millions with billions of dollars in higher levies. They’ll raise the minimum wage, hurting the working poor and those with the fewest skills and the least education. And they’ll extend jobless benefits, a move that in the past has kept unemployment high (but which today, at 4.6%, is below the average of the last 40 years).
They’ll also try to impose new regulations across the economy on everything from energy to broadband, punishing industries they don’t like and subsidizing those they do.
Worst of all, they’ll do nothing — absolutely nothing — to stop the growth in entitlement spending that will start to engulf the treasury beginning in 2009. Their solution as always: more taxes.
And this is just what they’ll admit to. Who knows what else is in store.
How sad the Foley scandal has sucked all the air out of the debate over the nation’s future. How tragic that many will now sit this election out for all the wrong reasons. When they wake up to find their taxes raised, the economy stumbling and their incomes falling behind, they’ll regret their lassitude. But then it will be too late.
MWS
More op-eds? How predictable.
Hold on a second
“That’s what President Bush did in 2003, when he pushed through bold, broad tax cuts to end a slump that began in 2000 under a Democratic administration.”
Now that’s just a fucking lie. The economy did not begin contracting until May 2001, four months after Chimpy took office. It continued to contract until November 2001.
MWS:
Guess who sold North Korea $200 million worth of nuclear reactors? Donald Rumsfeld, of course!
Rumsfeld was a director at a Zurich engineering firm called ABB for 11 years, making $190K per year. ABB sold “light water nuclear reactors” to Lil’ Kim. Rumsfeld quit in 2001 to kill people, while North Korea joined the popular “Axis of Evil” club.
You already know about Rumsfeld begging Saddam to use chemical weapons in the 1980s and invading Iraq in ‘03 because Saddam used chemical weapons, and the whole Bird Flu Medicine scam. But actually selling nuclear reactors to North Korea? Brilliant!
http://www.wonkette.com/politi.....206596.php
Oh, and the “bold, broad tax cuts” of 2003? You don’t mention the tax cuts of 2001 and 2002, because the numbers you want to quote as favorable DON’T START UNTIL 2004. The earlier tax cuts didn’t do sahit to perk up the economy, and the fact that it didn’t get better for three years is not to Bush’s credit.
MWS Why can’t we negotiate with North Korea? They’re no threat. All they have are one failed long-range missile launch and one failed nuclear test to their name. All they want is a piece of paper that says the Korean War is over, and maybe a little trade. In return I think they would they give up or lock up their nukes and allow IAEA inspectors. Commentby Daddy Love— 10/10/06@ 2:17 pm
So you, the appeaser of HorsesAss, wants to negoitate with a tin horn despot? So you the white flag bearer of HorsesAss want to give credence to a whack-job? Why is that Daddy Love?
Why can’t we negotiate with North Korea?
They’re no threat. All they have are one failed long-range missile launch and one failed nuclear test to their name. All they want is a piece of paper that says the Korean War is over, and maybe a little trade. In return I think they would they give up or lock up their nukes and allow IAEA inspectors.
Commentby Daddy Love— 10/10/06@ 2:17 pm
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The results of Clinton’s appeasement; NK nukes. Clinton traded millions in aid money for a worthless piece of paper instead of taking tough action. Now the bill is coming due.
Commentby Doctor Maf54 Kennedy, ESQ.— 10/10/06@ 2:28 pm
Again you dwell in the kool-aid drinkers. Directors of corporations DO NOT SELL anything STUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUPIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIID donkette.
They sit around voting on dividends, approving proxy votes and similar things. The company is run by the CEO and president.
You said: “You already know about Rumsfeld begging Saddam to use chemical weapons in the 1980s and invading Iraq in ‘03 because Saddam used chemical weapons, and the whole Bird Flu Medicine scam. But actually selling nuclear reactors to North Korea? Brilliant!”
In reality no I don’t. SHOW ME WHERE RUMMY IS BEGGING? And the wonkette is a moonbattette.
Here is a more enlightening article: http://money.cnn.com/magazines...../index.htm
And what about the “bold, broad” (although they were primarily on upper-income taxpaers) tax increases of 1993? Gee, the economy only took off like a rocket into the longest economic expansion in history, creating 19 million MORE net jobs that Bush’s paltry net 3 million.
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Is that all you got? Negotiation = surrender?
Again: They have things they want. We have things we want. They give us something we want to get something they want. Let’s posulate that our negotiators are not incompetent (I know it’s a stretch given the Bush administration). They negotiate adequate verification measures. We actually hold up our end of the deal.
It’s win-win. Why wouldn’t that work?
americafirst
“The results of Clinton’s appeasement; NK nukes. Clinton traded millions in aid money for a worthless piece of paper instead of taking tough action.”
Provably wrong. I know you’re an idiot, but hold on until the end of this one. You probably think that even though we reneged on our part of the Agreed Framework, the North KLoreans were slimy little snakes because they said they were enriching uranium prior to 2002. Let’s agree that they were.
They were only enriching uranium. It’s a long, slow process, and they would never have been able to create a nuclear device by 2006 using it.
So in 2002 Bush “took tough action:” He called them names (“Axis of Evil”) and suspended the oil shipments we had been sending (late) to them, and made it clear that we would not normalize relations, even thought eh Republican Congress had been informally blocking that since 1994.
Their response? Four years ago, its 8,000 fuel rods were padlocked under international inspection. Now, they’ve been reprocessed into bomb-grade plutonium.
Yeah, that “tough action” works real well.
But this administration WANTS these kinds of pivotal, edge-nearign events, to push us into the war that they think is the only response that matters. And their being wrong again and again doesn’t seem to phase you true believers. Daddy-lovers. Daddy will protect you.
Now the bill is coming due.
Commentby
MWS:
Don’t get me wrong, I’m with you. I think we should mislead and distract from Bush’s incompetance as much as possible. Blaming Clinton for everything worked for us for four years, maybe it will save our sorry asses for one more election. It’s not like we have anything else. Sure, our strategy of ignoring all that is going wrong is not working, but we only have to make it one more month, than who cares how incompetent we are.
Once the election is over, JCH and I can go back to our lifestyle and make Atlas Shrug without worrying about the press. Ah, if only we could go back to those glory days of 1993 when the press ignored the criminal things we Republicans were doing. Those were the days.
By the way, speaking of “tough actions,” in 2004, Bush let Assistant Secretary of State James Kelly put a proposal on the table for North Korea—a proposal that reportedly originated with South Korea—that amounts to the following: North Korea has three months to commit to dismantling its nuclear weapons program. Once it makes this declaration, the United States will provisionally pledge not to invade its territory or topple its regime. At the same time, South Korea, Japan, China, and Russia will start sending North Korea an enormous amount of fuel oil each month. A timetable marking subsequent steps, including the dropping of economic sanctions, will culminate with North Korea actually dismantling its nuclear facilities and shipping its plutonium abroad to be destroyed.
We have a name for that proposal. It was originally called the Agreed Framework, and Clinton sucessfully negotiated it with NK in 1994. You do have to add two light-water reactors for the resemblance to be complete. No wonder Clinton got the job done. They DO have things they want.
Bush, on the other hand, because he was insulting and stiffing NK while they reprocessed their plutonium after 2002, suffered the indignity of having his proposal rejected. Not good enough. Weak. Ineffective. Incompetent.
So Clinton strikes deal to keep plutonium out of the North Koreans’ hands. The deal keeps the plutonium out of reach for the last six years of Clinton’s term and the first two of Bush’s. Bush pulls out of the deal. Four years later a plutonium bomb explodes.
Clinton’s fault, right?
PHOENIX-The state will ask a justice of the nation’s high court to let county election officials require voters to produce identification for next month’s general election. Attorney General Terry Goddard said Tuesday legal papers will be given to Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy, possibly by the end of the week, asking him to void an order by the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals barring the state from enforcing the voter ID provisions of Proposition 200 while a legal challenge to them works its way through federal court. [………Voter ID: Democrats lose. It’s that simple. Plus……….Border Patrol, US Marshals and Homeland Security at every poll.]
Just a broad comment on NK.
Everyone with a stake in the Korean peninsula (i.e. Russia, China, Japan, and SK) has been watching the North fairly nervously since the early 90s.
The real worst case scenario is not what grabbed headlines over the last two days. The real worst-case is that the current regime collapses due to gross mismanagement.
This will result in several million hungry people streaming across the borders into SK and China. Some lucky country (i.e. the South) will inhert a complete basket case.
The South paid close attention to the costs and problems involved in German reunification. The conclusion, shared across the entire political spectrum in the South is that taking over the North would be prohibitively expensive. There are too many Northerners, the place is too broken (East Germany at least sort of functioned as a country), and South Korea isn’t rich enough to start writing checks to rebuild the country.
So we (meaning primarily the US, Japan, China, and the South) have been stringing the North along with just enough aid to avoid a total collapse, while inviting Kim Jong-Il to take tours of Southern China to show how a hardcore Marxist-Leninist state can be transformed to relative prosperity given some foreign investment and a bare minimum of political and financial transparency.
For reasons known only to him, Kim isn’t having any of it. I truly don’t get this. China’s transofrmation to capitalism gave a generation of party apparatchik unprecedented opportunities to use the levers of the State to get phenomenally rich. A large number of those people are now camping out in Vancouver in blissful retirement, while getting even richer investing in the BC property market.
Seriously. Never mind taking care of the people’s welfare. It’s patently obvious he doesn’t give a rat’s ass about that. If the goal is to pad the bank accounts of you and yours, a developing capitalist economy is a MUCH better way to do that than a broken socialist paradise.
Voter ID: Unconstitutional. It’s that simple.
Over strict CAO laws are a very big issue and just because someone wants to develop their land within reasonable contraints that is fine. But most of CAO now won’t even let someone put up a birdhouse. Also, I don’t believe I933 makes zoning illegal, so if your area isn’t zoned for a pig farm, then you can’t have one there. But it’s sure is a good scare tactic. How about this one, maybe someone will put a drunk house or sex offender house right next door to yours.
I do have a good solution, which is if the CAO stands and you can’t use say 25% of your land, then you shouldn’t have to pay 25% of your taxes
The government thinks you don’t care about eminent domain!
Let them know their wrong.
This website talks about why Property Rights are so important to homeowners.
http://yeson933.com
Please join me in voting yes on I-933!
Voter ID: Unconstitutional. It’s that simple.
Commentby Daddy Love […….Voter fraud: The backbone of the Democrat Party]
Disregard for law: backbone of the Republican Party.
Jim @ 10: You over assume that all members and leaders of the WSFB are at the welfare trough. I know all the above personally, and they are all family farmers (ie, mainly family labor with no non-family employees) that are probably on the low-mid end of the farm size scale. Many farmers that are generally supportive of the farm bureau do not have the subsidies available to them that are prevalent in the grain producing operations. The three individuals mentioned give a lot of time to public service on behalf of washingtons agriculture via the WSFB. That being said, I-933 is not perfect, and is not the way that I would have preferred to see this resolved. The GMA needs to be reviewed and revised, as I currently view it as the “Forced to Farm” act, leaving no option as to the best economic use of ones private property when agriculture options are no longer viable. If the D controlled state government had sought some middle ground (ie moderation, not the urban commensense blindness by the majority of the people on this blog), I believe this could have been avoided, and a sensible solution developed. Sadly, Mr. Sims, and the success of a similiar measure in Oregon provided the ammo for this resolution. On another point, the state loss by the state bureacrats on the ESTIMATED costs of approval of the measure, must surely equal the LOSS by non-approval to landowners across the state.
Farmer Fred
Farmer @51
Well Said…. I have 10 lil acres and I can’t even build another home on it, to take care of my Mom. Its been in our family for 40 years. Our county’s zoning GMA laws were not in effect till 1999, so I-933 would benefit my family and many more in the rural areas where the GMA’s weren’t put into effect until the late 90’s.
But those in King county where the GMA was enforced in 1996 the new law would not apply, only maybe to the CAO. I would also like to note that if wetlands, shorelines, or any other sensitive area is involved, those areas will be protected under other laws already in place, or in place thereafter 1996.
In oregon (I-37) the counties have not paid out ONE DIME, but they have allowed people like me to divide a 10 acre or 20 acre small farm for the same reasons i stated above.
The farmers who are forced to farm, as Queen Christine has pointed out, need to have the option to GET OUT if they aren’t making it. The Farms they own are sometime the only collateral they have to sale. They don’t have large Retirement Accounts or Savings Accounts to rely on, because all their money has went back into their Ground.
So please people, check out the website, and don’t consider this a partisan issue. It is about fair play. If people work hard for their livihood, for generations, let them at least make a reasonable living off there fruits of their labor.
It won’t hurt those in the big cities, as much as the smaller rural counties. I know we don’t mean much to you folks, but maybe the farmer won’t need as much support from the metropolis if they can get what they worked for their entire lives.
Its only Fair. Vote Yes on I-933
I know what you mean, cupcake.
back when my moms was dying o’ cancer and I hadda move her into the basement ’cause my mean ‘ol neighbors in Medina wouldn’t let me build a small clinic for her on my ten acres.
JCH at 49:
Yes, when the Democrats kick our butts, lets say it was fraud. And illegals! And Dark Skin people!!! That way we don’t have to take responsibility for the fact that your and mine choice to make Atlas Shrug. [hehe]
What does it matter that we have no proof, and that there has been plenty of Republican fraud. If you keep ranting that it was voter fraud, someone will listen. And if they don’t check what the real facts are, they might even believe you? Maybe…, it could work. It is not like we have anything else, and God knows the facts just kill us.
Bill Jr at 53
You can afford a nice retirement communtiy for “mom”, hell buy the whole damn thing, but Bill, it wont help a bit to fight medina, cause if your really read my post, it only rolls back to 1996 and medina already had the GMA in force in 1996. So go shopping for a small island for mom, the fresh air would be good for her.
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