Radio Goldy

I’m filling in this week for Dave Ross and Ron Reagan on Newsradio 710-KIRO from 9AM to 1PM. Here’s a peek at today’s line-up:

Hour 1: The Sonics want a new arena and NASCAR wants a new track… and both want hundreds of millions of dollars in taxpayer subsidy. Are public funded arenas a good economic investment, and can elected officials really justify financing an arena the voters have rejected?

Pro sports stadiums don’t bolster local economies

Hour 2: As per-student state education funding continues to lag behind inflation, schools are increasingly relying on PTA’s to make up the difference… leaving schools in poor neighborhoods at a loss for cash. Is this really a reasonable way to fund public schools?

Hour 3: A proposed compact with the Spokane tribe could spark a massive expansion of gambling in WA state, but does nothing to address our growing epidemic of problem gambling. Jennifer McCausland of the Teen Gambling Prevention Project joins me.

Hour 4: TBA

Tune in (or listen to the live stream) and give me a call: 1-877-710-KIRO (5476).

Comments

  1. 1

    rhp6033 spews:

    News Item:

    “Eddie Bauer’s loss is CEO’s gain
    A $10 million payout from sale is just part of it

    By CRAIG HARRIS
    P-I REPORTER

    The chief executive of Eddie Bauer Holdings Inc., which has lost $275 million this year, stands to receive a $10 million payout once the venerable Redmond-based outdoor clothing company is sold.

    Fabian Månsson, who has been criticized for selling the company on the cheap and for losing much of its value, also would be reimbursed for expenses related to relocating back to Sweden, the sale of his U.S. home and the purchase of a new home in Sweden.

    Eddie Bauer CEO Fabian Månsson and other top executives could fare well if shareholders approve the company’s sale to Sun Capital Partners.

    The payouts and severance benefits related to the sale were detailed in a Securities and Exchange Commission proxy, which the company said Wednesday was mailed to shareholders. Investors decide on the sale Jan. 25….”

    Source: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/.....die27.html

    And he even doesn’t have to pretend he’s going to be available for part-time “consultations”, as Mike McGavick claimed when he tried to justify his 28+ million payout when he left Safeco.

    And of course, some wingnut is going to claim that this CEO “earned it”, despite running the company into the ground. Surely, some reality needs to be brought back to this type of situation. How will stockholders have any faith in a system which allows company assets to be raided like this?

    So, the shareholders and the employees get screwed, the buyer gets a cheap price for a great brand name, and the CEO and company executives get a huge payout.

  2. 2

    Union Fireman spews:

    So the issue of teen problem gambling is the fault of the Casinos? What the hell ever happened to responsible parenting? Why must the State intervene? Why is that the answer to all of our problems? When the hell will personal responsibility come back into play? If you are old enough to drive a 2 ton vehicle 70mph, then you are old enough to pay for your own damn gambling help.

  3. 4

    rhp6033 spews:

    # 2: I’m still looking for the link to the news story, a couple of years or so ago, where a Bellevue parent paid several thousand dollars at a PTSA or Band auction so his child could get a preferred (reserved) parking slot right next to the school entrance.

    I guess it tought the Bellevue students a “life lesson”, that money can buy just about anything. As for myself, found that so wrong on so, so many levels.

    But the big problem is that it fosters the increasing privatization of our school systems. The public tax dollars pay for only the barest minimum standards of education, and the parents are left to come up with the rest. In the schools with poorer parents, there simply isn’t any more money. In the wealthier areas, money simply buys a much better education and ancillary benefits, whether it is computers, lab equipment, field trips, sports coaches, etc.

    This “seperate & unequal” public education is further aggravated by the tendency of some parents in wealthier schools to oppose general tax increases for education (which would help everyone a little bit), in favor of giving that money to fund particular projects at their child’s school (which will benefit only their child and a select few others).

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....ded31.html

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....sed27.html

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....g26m0.html

    Personally, if people want to send their kids to private schools and pay for it themselves, that’s fine by me. But everyone has an interest in having an educated populace, and everyone should contribute to public education, and it should not be funded unequally.

    Remember, the vote of that 18 year old in White Center counts just as much as does the vote of a multi-millionaire living in Medina. If you want good government, you need an educated populace.

  4. 5

    sgmmac spews:

    Will the proposed compact bring in dollars for the state of Washington?

    Will the Spokane tribe stop their investments in gambling if the compact doesn’t get signed?

    The state can’t stop gambling on reservations. Nor can the state stop smoking or cigarette sales on the reservations, or drinking, or selling fireworks and gasoline, as a matter of fact, the State of Washington has zero power over anything a Indian tribe does on a reservation…………

    Cmpacts enable the State to make SOME revenue that they legally can’t get any other way – unless the tribes play nice. This state has made billions in the last few years with various compacts for taxes on cigarettes, gambling and gasoline!

  5. 6

    rhp6033 spews:

    My kids were in high school when the “mini-Casino” boom started, and the first thing they did was put up a Casino on the highway, right next to the short-cut lots of students took to get to the school.

    Then the Casino showed up at a “Jobs Fair”, handing out employment applications (especially to the girls), encouraging them to apply to work there as soon as they turned 18.

    Then they hired some of the students, especially the girls, to hand out discount coupons and flyers to their fellow students at the school. It encouraged them to come into the Casino to celebrate their 18th birthday, and offered to give them $50 in tokens for use on their birthday visit. The girls handing out the flyer got a bonus/commission for each one returned to the Casino by a student/customer.

  6. 7

    UnionFireman spews:

    rhp,

    If you have raised your kids right, once they are 18, they get to make those decisions on their own. Sounds like a good marketing campaign. When should we stop “protecting” our kids and let them learn on their own?

  7. 8

    skagit spews:

    I love it, Goldstein! You just said maybe we need to turn some of these Democrats out in the primaries to show what our priorities are . . . so why don’t you write another column praising Pelz who censorded Hong Tran? She tried to be that alternative voice . . . you just don’t get it sometimes. You are one of the good ol’ boys except for when it pertains to something you’re interested in.

    me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me

    This state needs to hear more voices, the conversation needs to be furthered and all people should be welcome in Democratic primaries.

  8. 9

    anti-liberal spews:

    why don’t you ever discuss the crisis you baby-murder promoters created?

    Coward.

    Pregnant Germans seek cash bonus

    Many German mothers-to-be are reportedly trying to delay labour so their births coincide with a generous new government scheme.

    of course, with your marxist goals of the government nannying every aspect of your life and redistribution of income, it makes perfect sense you liberals would purposely make birth rates decline, only to force the use of OPM to bring them back up again.

  9. 10

    sgmmac spews:

    I found the article on the compact and the State does NOT get any revenue from this one. It is also doubtful that it will be approved………..

  10. 11

    John Barelli spews:

    anti-liberal spewed:

    “why don’t you ever discuss the crisis you baby-murder promoters created?

    Coward.”

    Excuse me. I have yet to see anyone here promoting “baby-murder”.

    Perhaps you meant to post this over at unSP, where at least one of the posters did promote terrorism, with hundreds of US casualties. We could presume that some of those casualties would be children, so the term “baby-murder promoter” might apply.

    Being that you post this drivel anonymously, I will also presume that the word “Coward” at the end of your post was intended as a signature line.

  11. 12

    rhp6033 spews:

    9: Oh, so you are blaming liberals in the U.S. for German government policy? What a crock.

    The Germans are free to make whatever policy they want, they have a Democratic government and free elections. How they spend their money is their business.

    I know Rush Limbaugh likes to take anything with which he disagrees, dislikes, or which simply interefers with his digestion, and blame it on liberals in the U.S., but gee, do you have to follow him, lock, stock, and barrell?

    Are you going to be blaming Nancy Pelosi the next time a sun spot appears?

  12. 13

    John Barelli spews:

    Goldy said:

    “The Sonics want a new arena and NASCAR wants a new track… and both want hundreds of millions of dollars in taxpayer subsidy. Are public funded arenas a good economic investment, and can elected officials really justify financing an arena the voters have rejected?”

    One of most obvious mistakes that governments make is taking the input of the promoters at face value. Even assuming that the promoters are not being intentionally misleading (a presumption I’m not willing to make), we still have only the input from people that are in favor of the project.

    Still, while it is tempting to link these two projects, they really are different situations. NASCAR tends to draw from a far wider geographic area than a pro basketball team that draws primarily from the local urban area.

    Essentially, Sonics fans would probably have spent those same entertainment dollars within the state anyway, where NASCAR fans might have just stayed in Idaho or Oregon.

    On the other side, most basketball arenas have other uses. Key Arena gets year-round use. I really have no idea what a NASCAR track is good for when they aren’t using it for a race. Perhaps Kitsap County could relocate the county fair and pay for part of the project by selling off the current fairgrounds. Back when the Kitsap fairgrounds were placed where they sit today, that land was far off the beaten track and worth far less than it is today.

    With either project, and almost any other similar project, there are always details that could either make or break the whole deal. This is another of those situations that really doesn’t lend itself to “sound-bite” politics.

  13. 14

    anti-liberal spews:

    Cindy Sheehan Is Even More Out of Touch with Reality than Originally Thought

    Curt at Flopping Aces found this little nugget from Cindy Sheehan (http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/contributors/664). She blames President Ford for the Iraq war.

    Take a look at this huge leap of logic:

    Usually, burying a 93 year old loved one is sorrowful but, I believe his pardon of Richard Nixon is one of the factors that have led to the untimely deaths of over 3000 American soldiers and hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians in the Middle East. Just this month alone, 91 of our young people have met early, avoidable, unnecessary and tragic deaths in Bloody George’s horrific war.

    How does she make this huge leap? Take a look:

    [S]ince Nixon got away with his blatant crimes and every President since Nixon has skated away from office after having committed overt and covert crimes, we have on our hands, here, a situation that I am forced now to call: “Bloody George.”

    According to Cindy Sheehan, President Ford’s pardon of Richard Nixon created a chain of lawless presidents spanning 30 years that led directly to the Iraq war. To paraphrase a line from Billy Madison, Cindy’s logic is so idiotic and void of any rational thought what so ever, that we’re all dumber for just having read it….

    and we ALL know what that says about those who AGREE with her…

  14. 15

    rhp6033 spews:

    The NASCAR proposal for Kitsap County doesn’t make any sense at all. If Snohomish County couldn’t fund the highway improvements for a track to be located a short distance from I-5, how in the world is Kitsap County going to handle the NASCAR traffic, located many miles from any major interstate, and with no major airports, hotels, or car rental locations nearby?

    The explanation the NASCAR people made at the time was that visitors could stay in Seattle hotels and drive over to Kitsap County on race day. Really? Can you imagine a summer weekend when you have NASCAR fans competing with the usual Peninsula summer vacation traffic for space on the ferrys and the two-lane highways they would have to travel??????

    And NASCAR is only holding out the prospect of one major race a year, and it isn’t even promising that one. The state is supposed to pay for extensive highway improvements, and private companies are expected to invest in major hotel/restaurant facilities based upon a once-a-year event, with the rest of the year being relegated to local events (i.e., not bringing in outside tourist dollars)?

    The whole thing makes even the Sonics proposal sound good.

  15. 16

    skagit spews:

    Goldstein says gambling shouldn’t be expanded . . .

    Honestly, Goldstein, maybe we should go back to prohibition because we certainly have a lot of alcoholics in this society.

    And I supposed we should outlaw cigarettes because cigarettes kill.

    Both of these items have been mitigated by education. I think your whole perspective on the slots is racist. Or else you’re infatuated with the guest . . .

    When we outlaw cigarettes and alcohol, talk to me about restricting the gambling that the tribes use to keep their economies going . . .

    You’re inability to be objective about anything is becoming tiresome.

  16. 17

    anti-liberal spews:

    I blame Nixon.

    Richard Nixon DID start the War on Terror. Watergate led to Democrats gaining complete control of Congress, which led our selling out South Vietnam, which started a pattern of retreat and weakness–Bereuit, the Iran-hostage crisis, Somalia, and the failure to retaliate seriously for the 1,000 Americans killed by terrorists before 9/11.

    There was and is a world-leadership vacuum in which the terrorists have grown and flourished. And in which terror-supporting nutcases like Sheehan flourish. And you can trace it to Nixon, though I would say that the rot was much deeper.

    Posted by: John Weidner at December 28, 2006 10:27 AM

    That’s a fair analysis, JW, but we should also recall that the “Cindy Sheehans” of that era (Jane Fonda, John Kerry, et al) also played a huge role: They gave the enemy (which was very close to surrendering) enough hope to hold on thru our internal political disaster. This is the “Vietnam-repeat” the lefties in this country are hoping to bring about. Question is: will we be saying decades from now that Sheehan, Moore, et al, caused us to lose the war on terrorism? Lets hope not.

    Posted by: GeminiChuck at December 28, 2006 10:44 AM

    Look on the bright side. It’s a rare example of a lefty calling Carter and Clinton criminals. Never thought I’d see the day.

    But of course they’re the exceptions that prove the rule, right Cindy?

    Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 28, 2006 12:07 PM

    Geminichuck and all,
    If we lose the war on terror, we will not be allowed to blame anyone (sheehan, Moore, etc) Free speech, the first amendment, and all the other stuff will be no more. We will either be praying 5 times a day or be dead.

    Posted by: Codekeyguy at December 28, 2006 01:49 PM

  17. 18

    YOU LIB BRO spews:

    ANTI-LIBERAL: YOU ALMOST TIE WITH MTR FOR WINGNUT OF THE YEAR. CINDY SHEEHAN IS AMERICAN CITIZEN WHO LOST HER SON IN A WAR WITH NO HONOR. LIKE YOU SHE HAS A RIGHT TO SPEAK HER MIND. SHE’S AGAINST THIS FUTILE OCCUPATION IN IRAQ WHICH HAS BROUGHT NOTHING BUT ABJECT MISERY TO THAT COUNTRY AND NEAR BANKRUPTCY TO THIS COUNTRY.

    SHE’S AGAINST IT. SHE WANTS THE TROOPS OUT OF HARM’S WAY. I AGREE WITH HER.

  18. 19

    rhp6033 spews:

    Not to mention, we actually are seeing a shortage of hotel space in the Seattle/Bellevue area during the summer. Our firm is having difficulty finding rooms at times for our traveling business guests. We are even having trouble finding some business-class rooms for some people coming in from Japan in early February. Until more hotels are built, the situation will probably get worse.

  19. 20

    rhp6033 spews:

    Regarding gambling, I think we should just raise the age limit to 21, just like with alchohol. Some casinos already enforce such an age limit because they serve alchohol on the gambling floor, but others do not. That way you avoid having teenagers acquire the gambling habit before they are fully able to take on that responsibility.

    Besides, the problem is that Casinos that allow 18+ to enter are marketing to 16 and 17 year olds. If you raise the age to 21, then you are at least moving their marketing up to the 18+ age group.

    The drinking age was 18 when I was a teenager. That meant I was drinking by the time I was 16, and tending bar at 18. While I enjoyed it at the time, with the benefit of age and experience, I can see that was a mistaken public policy.

  20. 21

    skagit spews:

    rph: your problem is you just have too much common sense! I’m sure something as simple as raising the legal age for gambling will never be considered . . .

  21. 23

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Ford Dissed Iraq Invasion

    In today’s news, the late President Gerald Ford told reporter Bob Woodward in a July 2004 interview taped for a book project, which Woodward agreed not to release until after Ford’s death, that he “very strongly” disagreed with the George W. Bush’s justification for invading Iraq.

  22. 24

    skagit spews:

    Goldstein, you are making our arguments for us! Under-age gambling a problem in cardrooms . . . sort of like underage kids buying liquor and cigarettes from stores that sell them.

    Good caller from Nevada putting some perspective on this! Also, good comment about drugs . . . I think she put your argument on the shelf! Send Jennifer home and quit being so narrow-minded.

  23. 25

    skagit spews:

    That’s become addiction reflects compulsive behavior . . . I don’t think I like you on the radio anymore! You are saying the obvious and trying to defend your guest’s point of view.

    (Stream of conscience narrative while listening to the radio!)

    Vicky is smarter than you are.

  24. 27

    skagit spews:

    Do you have any experience or problem with addiction? I think if you . . . “

    My father was a compulsive gambler. Does that make my opinion more profound than yours? Better than yours? If so, then I decree you are wrong.

    Try getting some objectivity, Goldstein.

  25. 29

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    On the eve of the Democratic takeover of Congress, the White House has embarked on a lawyer-hiring spree. http://tinyurl.com/yy5yo4

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: You can bet the paper shredders are working around the clock, too! There won’t be anything left to put in Bush’s presidential library except his official portrait and a few rugs and chairs.

  26. 30

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @1 Another of Redneck’s “Producers” gets paid millions for squandering shareholder equity and throwing employees out of work.

  27. 32

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @2 Union Fireman says:

    So the issue of teen problem gambling is the fault of the Casinos? What the hell ever happened to responsible parenting? Why must the State intervene? Why is that the answer to all of our problems? When the hell will personal responsibility come back into play? If you are old enough to drive a 2 ton vehicle 70mph, then you are old enough to pay for your own damn gambling help. 12/28/2006 at 9:14 am

    You must not have any kids! The older they get, the less influence parents have with them. By the time they’re 16, their parents are the LAST people they listen to! I take it your thesis is that society has no obligation to protect its most vulnerable members from the perils and pitfalls of life. I respectfully disagree; by the same logic, you could argue that taxpayers should not fund assistant attorney generals whose job is to protect elderly folks from scammers and con men. And in my humble rabbit opinion, teens and Republicans should not be allowed to drive anything bigger than a push lawn mower.

  28. 36

    Richard Pope spews:

    Roger Rabbit @ 23

    Thomas M. DeFrank of the New York Daily News has a somewhat different take on the invasion of Iraq — namely that President Ford thought that Sadddam Hussein was an evil man who needed to be gotten rid of:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/fro.....7239c.html

    Of course, Ford felt that the WMD justification was bogus, and the war should have been justified (or not) based on Saddam being evil.

    Actually, what Ford told DeFrank (and Bush) earlier this year isn’t inconsistent with what he told Bob Woodward back in 2004.

  29. 37

    UnionFireman spews:

    Roger,

    So your solution is to do what? Have a State Sponsored program help them overcome their addiction at an early age? What are you teaching your child when at the age of 18, they are addicted to Gambling, but it isn’t their fault. It’s the fault of those big bad casinos. So, since you aren’t at fault, the State will pay for you to quit gambling. See a cycle beginning here? Everytime they screw up, someone will bail them out. Everytime they fall on their face, someone will pick them up. All without consequence. Again, PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. Teach it, Learn it, Accept it.

  30. 38

    ted bessell spews:

    re 9: You are a compendium of debunked x-treme righty cliches. You sound like Taylor Caldwell.

  31. 39

    skagit spews:

    Unfire and Roger – two polarized debaters. Why not something in the middle? Personal responsibility with a little help from society?

  32. 40

    ArtFart spews:

    18 It’s no use shouting at someone like Anti-Lib. He’s every bit as deaf to what you’re saying as Limbaugh was between when his drug addiction destroyed his hearing and when his undeserved wealth bought him a set of cochlear implants.

  33. 41

    anti-liberal spews:

    Puff Butt Rodent:

    Last lunch with a legend
    Speaks candidly about the WMDs and war in Iraq

    BY THOMAS M. DeFRANK
    DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU CHIEF

    Thomas DeFrank, the Washington bureau chief for the Daily News, is seen in this 1996 photo talking to Gerald Ford. The men struck up a friendship that lasted three decades. Below, the two chat on Air Force One.

    Daily News Washington Bureau Chief Thomas M. DeFrank interviewed Gerald Ford more than three dozen times during the late President’s retirement years. He saw Ford in November at his California home and spent more than two hours with him May 11 for this, his final interview.
    RANCHO MIRAGE, Cal. – Jerry Ford was a politician of rare amiability, but this day he was hopping mad.

    “They won’t let me go in the pool and swim,” the former President fumed as I joined him in the study of his Sand Dune Road home. “It’s terrible.”

    Fighting a nasty cough and more frail than I had ever seen him, Ford was furious with his doctors. An accomplished skier, a man who once religiously swam laps twice a day had just been beached.

    “I go in and I paddle back and forth at the shallow end,” he railed. “It’s terrible. It worries me that I’m under these limitations.”

    Ford was a few weeks shy of his 93rd birthday as we chatted for about 45 minutes. He’d been visited by President Bush three weeks earlier and said he’d told Bush he supported the war in Iraq but that the 43rd President had erred by staking the invasion on weapons of mass destruction.

    “Saddam Hussein was an evil person and there was justification to get rid of him,” he observed, “but we shouldn’t have put the basis on weapons of mass destruction. That was a bad mistake. Where does [Bush] get his advice?”

    Ford was predictably defensive about Vice President Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, his two White House chiefs of staff. Asked why Cheney had tanked in public opinion polls, he smiled. “Dick’s a classy guy, but he’s not an electrified orator.”

    But he didn’t like Bush’s domestic surveillance program. “It may be a necessary evil,” he conceded. “I don’t think it’s a terrible transgression, but I would never do it. I was dumbfounded when I heard they were doing it.”

    Ever the political junkie, the guy who used to travel 250 days a year as House minority leader said he couldn’t wait for a rematch between Hillary Clinton and Rudy Giuliani in 2008. For years he’d been telling me Hillary would run and make “a darn good candidate.” As for Rudy: “Giuliani is an electrifying guy and he can be tough. That would be a great contest between Hillary and Rudy.”

    We had been meeting in the desert regularly for more than three decades, beginning with a memorable, still-unpublished 1974 interview when he was vice president. Ford had always been extraordinarily generous to me, and a strong professional relationship had developed. Yet today was a first: Unexpectedly, he asked me to stay for lunch.

    As he struggled out of his easy chair, his frailty became more apparent. It’s only a few feet from his study to the dining room of the Fords’ one-story ranch home, but he couldn’t walk without a nurse at one elbow and Betty at the other.

    We worked our way through the vichyssoise and poached chicken salad. As shop talk gave way to small talk about friends, families and halcyon days of yore, Ford was still brooding about his doctors.

    “Do you want some butter pecan ice cream?” he asked with a grin, harking back to the days when Air Force One never left a tarmac anywhere in the world without an ample supply of his favorite dessert.

    What do the doctors say about that, I wondered.

    “We have it anyhow,” he roared, relishing another barb for his medical Torquemadas.

    Toward the end, Ford showed a sentimentality I’d rarely seen in him. We reminisced a lot about the Air Force Two days, when just five reporters and a vice president desperate to hold his beloved Republican Party together amid the wreckage of Watergate hurtled around the country in a twin-engine Convair propjet so slow we dubbed it Slingshot Airways.

    He talked about how he regretted that his “magnificent” mother hadn’t lived to see her son Leslie King become the 38th President. He misted over when he remembered how much he loved his adoptive father, so much that he took his name, Gerald R. Ford.

    “When I wake up at night and can’t sleep,” he mused in a voice suddenly far away, “I remember Grand Rapids.”

    Suddenly, the hairs on my arms stood on edge, as they have done again each time I remember that powerful moment. Now I knew why he’d finally invited me to lunch.

    In his typically gentle, understated way, Jerry Ford was telling me goodbye.

    Originally published on December 28, 2006

  34. 42

    ArtFart spews:

    17 “Cindy Sheehan….gave the enemy enough hope….”

    Uhhh…what (or which) enemy? Looks to me like we no longer even have any idea who or what we’re fighting against.

  35. 43

    anti-liberal spews:

    ArtFart says:

    18 It’s no use shouting at someone like Anti-Lib. He’s every bit as deaf to what you’re saying as Limbaugh was between when his drug addiction destroyed his hearing and when his undeserved wealth bought him a set of cochlear implants.

    AHHH, THE TOLERANT LEFT.

    ASSHOLES ALL

  36. 44

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    5 ” … the State of Washington has zero power over anything a Indian tribe does on a reservation………… This state has made billions in the last few years with various compacts for taxes on cigarettes, gambling and gasoline!”

    While there is a kernel of truth in these statements, they are gross exaggerations. Of course, I wouldn’t expect a retired Army sergeant to understand the intricacies of federal Indian law, or the complexities of tribal-state relations.

    State laws with respect to contracts, marriage, etc., apply to Indians the same as everyone else; in certain areas of regulation, tribal authority supplants state jurisdiction, but only with respect to tribal members. The state continues to exercise its full regulatory powers over non-Indians on tribal lands.

    The 1996 SCOTUS decision in Seminole Tribe v. Florida invalidated provisions of the federal Indian Gaming Regulatory Act that enabled tribes to enforce their gaming rights against states; as a result, states are in a position to demand a share of revenues in negotiating gaming compacts with tribes. Such demands are not necessarily unreasonable, especially where tribal casinos are siphoning gaming business away from state-taxed establishments, costing the states badly-needed revenue. To the best of my knowledge, though, Washington is not one of the states that has revenue-sharing agreements with one or more tribes.

    In any case, the state’s primary motivation in negotiating gaming compacts with the tribes is not making money but in limiting the adverse impacts of gaming on society. Washington is a rather blue-nosed state, in the sense that liquor sales are tightly controlled by the state, and this state traditionally has allowed only limited gambling, mostly social and charitable gaming, and a few card rooms. It’s safe to say the state is more interested at this point in having a say in how and where tribal gaming is conducted than in making as much money as possible from wide-open gambling. The blue-nosed attitude of Washington voters was most recently exhibited when they crushed Tim Eyman’s proposal to open Washington to slot machines, despite the carrot of reduced property taxes Eyman dangled. (Of course, Eyman enormously exaggerated the amount of property tax reduction voters would see.)

    In fact, it is highly probable that Eyman’s initiative was motivated as much by anti-tribal racism as by business interest — and Eyman could care less about doing anything to raise money for state programs. He has devoted his entire political career to depriving the state of as much revenue as possible. What that initiative really was all about was white guys wanting to take the lucrative gaming business away from Indians, just as a couple decades ago they wanted to take fish away from the Indians. Eyman speaks for the crowd that perpetually whines about Indians having “special privileges,” which is nonsense.

    How is one “privileged” by being a member of the demographic group that suffers the highest unemployment, the shortest lifespans, and the worst poverty of any U.S. subpopulation? How is one “privileged” by expecting the other party to a bargain to keep their end of the bargain? Namely, the Indians gave up most of the land on this continent in exchange for retaining rights to hunt and fish. This was done at a time when the Indian economy consisted of subsistence hunting and fishing, which was virtually their only way of making a living. Congress gave the tribes a non-exclusive franchise on gaming in hopes of lifting the Indians out of poverty and reducing the financial burden on federal taxpayers of education, law enforcement, and other necessary activities on reservation lands. The hope was the tribes would become self-supporting. Now some white guys are bitching because, after two centuries of genocide, suppression, and grinding poverty, the Indians finally have a successful business.

  37. 45

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Now watch the same people who see nothing wrong with CEOs getting paid tens of millions to lose money for their shareholders and lay off employees bitch about a tiny handful of Indians getting rich by running a wildly successful business.

    This success doesn’t happen automatically. Only a small percentage of tribal casinos make huge profits. It should also be pointed out that this revenue belongs to the tribe. Individual Indians have no special standing or rights under law. All the treaty rights belong to tribal entities. Tribal governments choose to distribute their gaming profits, or not, to tribal members as they sit fit. Many tribes plow this money into community projects such as education and health care, instead of cutting big paychecks to individual members.

    Another thing that’s happening in Indian Country is tribes are becoming more selective about who they recognize as a “member” and are beginning to exclude from tribal membership rolls (and a share in gaming profits) people of fractional Indian blood who never lived on the reservation, never participated in the tribal community, and whom the tribe never heard of until there was money to divvy up — then they all lined up at the tribal office claiming to be “Indians.”

  38. 46

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @41 You’re quoting from a halfway respectable MSM newspaper … what happened? Did you suddenly suffer an attack of intellectual honesty?

  39. 47

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Of course, in my post @23, I was specific in stating that in his interview with Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward, Ford took issue with Bush’s justification for invading Iraq. Although he told Woodward he wouldn’t have invaded Iraq, that’s not necessarily inconsistent with later telling the NY Daily News that he “supports” Bush’s invasion of Iraq, whatever that means. It could well be a “rally around the flag” comment — since we’re there. Or it could mean that Saddam was an evil bastard and getting rid of him is worth the cost; but there’s some question about this, as he told Woodward, “I just don’t think we should go hellfire damnation around the globe freeing people, unless it is directly related to our own national security.” Maybe he saw a national interest in there somewhere.

  40. 48

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @9 The abortion issue has been discussed in this blog countless times, and Goldy hasn’t shirked it on his radio show — it just happens not to be today’s topic. So where’s the beef? Or are you just indulging in some cheap-shot posturing?

  41. 49

    sgmmac spews:

    Roger,

    You may be right with the revenue sharing for the gambling, although I thought I read that they do have arrangements with some tribes. Coule be those casino’s aren’t on the reservations.

    As for Washington State having the integrity to pursue these compacts merely for society, bullshit! The State’s Dept of Revenue has chased trucks and impounded whole shipments of cigarettes owned by Indians. The state successfully harassed the tribes into compacts for a cut of their cigarette sales/taxes.

    The State was doing the same thing with gasoline and two tribes sued and won in federal court last year and the State immediately bargained a compact to get their cut of gasoline taxes.

    The state wants the gasoline taxes from Indian reservations and Miltary reservations, but the state doesn’t do any maintenance on THOSE reservation roads……………

  42. 50

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    31 I think gambling is one of those things some people will do whether it’s legal or not. Personally, I don’t waste a penny of my hard-earned money in casinos. The only thing I ever go into casinos for is cheap lettuce! I LOVE LETTUCE!!! :) The way I figure it, if you drop $100 in an Indian casino, if you had put that $100 into 5% CDs, it would increase your monthly income by 42 cents for the rest of your life … and then your kids would inherit the $100. Stay out of casinos 25 times and you’ve got $10.50 more monthly income for the rest of your life … a fortune? No, but it helps pay the utility bills, or is good for a movie once a month that you wouldn’t otherwise have. Only a damn fool throws away money in casinos.

  43. 51

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    37 I don’t know what the solution to problem gambling is. There are people more qualified to speak on that subject than me. Namely, the professionals who make a career of studying the problem and treating gambling addiction. I do know it’s a problem for some folks, and that sometimes it destroys families and lives. It seems reasonable to use a small percentage of gambling profits to prevent or ameliorate the adverse impacts of gambling on individuals and society.

  44. 52

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @37 I’m simply not a big fan of knee-jerk rejection of any and all government involvement in trying to solve social problems by people who haven’t invested any time and effort in trying to understand the problem, possible solutions, or the efficacy of what’s being done.

  45. 53

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Conversely, I’m not a knee-jerk endorser of a government solution to every problem. There are times when government involvement only makes things worse, and there are things government should stay out of.

  46. 55

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @43 Wingnuts aren’t tolerant of liberals, so why should liberals be tolerant of wingnuts? Go fuck yourself, and fuck the armadillo you rode in on, too!

  47. 56

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    49 Mac, there was a period of time when the state’s ability to enforce state tobacco laws against tribes was unsettled, and the state attempted to do so. However, that got resolved in the courts. The tribes were never authorized to sell tax-free cigarets to non-tribal members, and the general public never had a legal right to evade state tobacco taxes by going to reservation smoke shops and then taking their purchases off-reservation. The DOR enforcement officers intercepted these yahoos as they left the reservation with carloads of untaxed cigs for themselves and their pals, and had every right to do so. Of course the state can, and will, and must enforce its revenue laws — otherwise no state activities would be funded and no state functions would be possible.

  48. 57

    GBS spews:

    your lib bro
    hey asshole why dont you buy poor cindys son a head marker.that would be a start.you assholes dont get it.take an other hit on the bong and then go see if your gummit check came in the mail.your name says it all loser.

  49. 59

    YOU LIB BRO spews:

    OH HI YO MY WINGNUT BRO @ 57

    CONGRATS ON YOUR NEW KEYBOARD. DIDJA GET IT FOR XMAS? SORRY ABOUT NOV 7. YOU BEEN PRETTY SCARCE SINCE THEN. HANGOVERS ARE A BUMMER.

    PEACE OUT SAILOR.

  50. 60

    Mark The Redneck KENNEDY spews:

    Maybe you moonbats can “educate” me…

    Christine and the rest of the empty skirts decided to put the viaduct/tunnel thing to a vote.

    Since when do the kooks who run this state give a fuck what the people think. Last time I was in FUSeattle, I thought I saw a big fucking stadium that we said we didn’t want. Every time Tim rallies The People to tell gummint to stop being so fucking greedy, they use every fucking dirty trick in the book to get around it.

    What gives this time?

  51. 61

    Mark The Redneck KENNEDY spews:

    Hey Rabbit, just wondering…

    do you know the difference between “gambling” and “investing”?

  52. 62

    YOU LIB BRO spews:

    ANTI-LIBERAL: WE TOLERATE YOU JUST FINE. WE JUST CAN’T STAND YOU. HOW CAN ANYONE STAND SOMEONE WITH HIS HEAD LODGED SO FAR UP HIS RECTUM?

    DO YOU THINK WE’RE SUPPOSED TO FEEL ANY COMPASSION FOR THE OXYCONTIN MARINATED, VIAGRA-PUMPED RADIO LIAR?

    THINK AGAIN. OH SORRY YOU’RE INCAPABLE OF CRITICAL THINKING.

  53. 63

    anti-liberal spews:

    YOU LIB BRO:

    Our dog does not yap (she’s a good little Conservative).

    To let us know she needs to “go out” she’ll pick up a toy and trot around the kitchen.

    When I see her running in circles, her tail in the air and her sphincter a swollen, angry red, I think of you.

  54. 67

    sgmmac spews:

    “What gives this time?”

    She wants to get elected as Governor………. If she picked the tunnel – she loses a big chunk of voters in Seattle

    If she picked the viaduct replacement – she loses a different big chunk of voters in Seattle to include the City Council and the Mayor……….

    Now, she can blame the outcome on the voters! It will get very interesting if the council refuses to put it on the ballot – AGAIN!

  55. 68

    YOU LIB BRO spews:

    ANTI-LIBERAL: OH I’M SO HURT. THINK WHATEVER YOU PLEASE. ITS A FREE COUNTRY!

    AND BE ASSURED WE’LL LET YOU KNOW WHAT WE THINK.

    NOV 7 WAS ONE OF THOSE RED LETTER DAYS FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU BUT SOME ARE JUST TOO DENSE.

  56. 69

    Mike Webb SUCKS spews:

    rhp6033@4 12/28/2006 at 9:44 am

    Since you Moonbat!s claim we neocons send our children to private school, it had to be a rich libtard who wanted their child close school entrance so they wouldn’t be ATTACKED by the losers!

  57. 70

    Mike Webb SUCKS spews:

    skagit says: I love it, Goldstein! You just said maybe we need to turn some of these Democrats out in the primaries to show what our priorities are . . . so why don’t you write another column praising Pelz who censorded Hong Tran? She tried to be that alternative voice . . . you just don’t get it sometimes. You are one of the good ol’ boys except for when it pertains to something you’re interested in.

    me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me

    This state needs to hear more voices, the conversation needs to be furthered and all people should be welcome in Democratic primaries. 12/28/2006 at 10:37 am

    Skagit: There is life in your hat rack after all. I feel weird writing this but I agree with you about Goldie. It is all about him. Well it is his blog! How dare you leave the reservation. You need remedial training.

    Ten Hut! About Face. Your ACLU handlers are in the next room. Left Left Left Right Left…

  58. 71

    anti-liberal spews:

    Nov 7.. yep you won. But your butt buddies are already on the way to fuck it up…. As soon as the next congress convenes, we can blame them for every disaster, for every death, for every company that fails.

    The power is now theirs to lose… again.

    Celebrate now, red sphincter, it may be the only chance you get.

    Now run along little fella. You’ve had your tantrum for the attention you crave. Grab your jammies and your nookie: the grown ups want to talk. We’ll leave the night light on.

  59. 72

    ArtFart spews:

    60 Well, Mark…maybe Christine does things a little differently. Maybe she even doesn’t like Greggie any better than the rest of us.

  60. 73

    rob spews:

    RE: 72. Did you guys ever think about maybe NOT ELECTING Nichels if you don’t like him? You have only done it twice now. The most recent by a large margin.

  61. 74

    anti-liberal spews:

    Oh, those smug ethical liberals

    Apple ‘falsified’ files on Jobs’ options
    By Richard Waters in San Francisco

    Published: December 28 2006 00:21 | Last updated: December 28 2006 15:08

    Steve Jobs, chief executive of Apple Computer, was handed 7.5m stock options in 2001 without the required authorisation from the company’s board of directors, according to people familiar with the matter.

    Records that purported to show a full board meeting had taken place to approve Mr Jobs’ remuneration, as required by Apple’s procedures, were later falsified. These are now among the pieces of evidence being weighed by the Securities and Exchange Commission as it decides whether to pursue a case against the company or any individuals over the affair, according to these people…

    Apple shares hit over Jobs’ options

    Shares in Apple Computer fell by close to 2 per cent in midday trading on Thursday after the revelation that Steve Jobs, its chief executive, was handed 7.5m stock options in 2001 without the required authorisation from its board of directors.

    The report in the Financial Times – based on information from people familiar with the matter – prompted a second day of selling, with $1.47 knocked off the share price by lunchtime, taking the shares to $80.05…

  62. 75

    Mike Webb SUCKS spews:

    John Barelli@11 says: Nothing much here. he was talking about libtard support for abortion. Now the Germans are asking for their women to have more babies because the immigrants are having more babies than the Aryans!

  63. 76

    Mike Webb SUCKS spews:

    Oh darn, another Goldie radio show missed. Didn’t Puddy say you could listen to Gilbert Gottfried and hear the same thing?

  64. 77

    Mike Webb SUCKS spews:

    Anti-liberal: Notice how Scary Reid won’t come back to Ford’s funeral as he will be “out-of-the-country”. He’s out of his mind!

  65. 78

    rob spews:

    You know those Supreme Court Elections have consequences.

    Thanks to the Liberal Washington Supreme Court.

    Sentences cut after ruling on murder law
    State high court’s 2002 decision is still controversial

    http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/.....der28.html

    I am sure that all of the murderers recentley put out on Washington’s streets will be sending a special thanks to Gary Alexander.

  66. 79

    Mark The Redneck KENNEDY spews:

    Anti Lib @71 – They kinda remind me of the dog who finally caught the fire truck. Now what???

  67. 80

    YOS LIB BRO spews:

    ANTI-LIBERAL: WE’LL SEE ABOUT “FUCKING IT UP”.

    I DON’T NEED MUCH SLEEP. YOU WANT TO MIX IT UP WITH ME?

    BRING IT ON! RED SPHINCTER? APT DESCRIPTION OF YOU. TYPICAL WINGNUT. ALWAYS PROJECTING.

    AS FOR APPLE. WHAT A BUFFOON YOU ARE! LOOK AT THEIR STOCK PRICE! TELL ME HOW STOCKHOLDERS WERE HURT BY STEVE JOBS BEING PAID TOO MUCH.

  68. 81

    YOS LIB BRO spews:

    ANTI-LIBERAL: LOOKS LIKE YOUR BUTT BUDDY MWS IS AROUND. YOU AND HIM CAN SWAP RIGHT-WING BULLSHIT LIKE ABLE DANGER AND THE GORELICK WALL.

    GET A LITTLE WINGNUT CIRCLE JERK GOING.

  69. 82

    YOS LIB BRO spews:

    IS STEVE JOBS A LIBERAL? I THOUGHT ONLY WINGNUTS KNOW HOW TO CREATE WEALTH!

    BLOWS THAT RIGHT WING BULLCRAP OUT OF THE WATER!

  70. 83

    anti-liberal spews:

    MWS @ 77… the very same Harry Reid who had all that spare time to guard the intubation and the plug of his majority status… um, I mean, his colleague Tim Johnson… gee, I think we missed that compassion with Mrs Schiavo…

  71. 84

    YOS LIB BRO spews:

    ANTI-LIBERAL: RIGHT ON CUE WITH THE LATEST DRUDGE BULLSHIT! PASSED THROUGH MWS NO LESS.

    THINK ON THIS: YOUR DEAR LEADER DUBYA SKIPPED RONNIE RAYGUN’S SENDING OFF! WHAT A SCANDAL!

    YOU AND MWS ARE SUCH LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSERS!!

  72. 85

    anti-liberal spews:

    Do you mean the PRIVATE interment at the Reagan Library?

    Or perhaps you mean when Laura and President Bush paid their respects and saluted him while he lie in state at the Capitol Rotunda?

    Or the very public, world televised speech President Bush gave at the National Cathedral?

    Does being so incredibly stupid give you headaches, flaming sphincter??

  73. 86

    YOS LIB BRO spews:

    READ IT AND WEEP AL:

    Bush, who is on vacation, missed Reagan’s service in the Capitol, too, because he was attending a G-8 summit

    SO WHY COULDN’T YOUR DEAR LEADER ATTEND IT ALL? WOULDN’T YOU? YOUR DEAR LEADER LET YOU DOWN A-L. HE COULDN’T BE BOTHERED FOR SAINT RONNIE.

    OBVIOUSLY YOU HOLD HARRY REID TO A HIGHER STANDARD THAN YOUR DEAR LEADER. TYPICAL WINGNUT.

  74. 87

    rob spews:

    Re: 82, Steve Jobs offered to chair John-STuK IN IraK-Kerry’s 2004 presidential campaign. Just to answer your idiotic question.

  75. 88

    rob spews:

    Also Re: 82. It wasn’t that he got paid to much, he probably didn’t get paid enough. It’s that he used the TIME HONERED LIBERAL TRADITION of falsifying documents.

  76. 89

    anti-liberal spews:

    Anyone care to bet ‘Don’t pull the plug on my majority’ Harry makes it back just in the nick of time for the peHOsi’s cross country party tour?

    ‘Don’t pull the plug on my majority’ Harry is in a snit because he doesn’t have a funeral to exploit… hopefully maa nam is Jimma Cawta will give him one soon…

  77. 90

    YOS LIB BRO spews:

    OH HI ROB. YET ANOTHER WINGNUT LOOOOOSER!

    STEVE JOB KNOWS HOW TO CREATE VALUE. DOES YOUR KID OWN AN IPOD? OBVIOUSLY NOT. YOUR OBTUSE IDEOLOGY GETS IN THE WAY. I BET YOUR KID WANTS ONE THOUGH THAT IS IF HE OR SHE HASN’T SWALLOWED THE WINGNUT LINE HOOK, LINE AND SINKER.

    HAVE YOUR KIDS SEEN HIS PIXAR MOVIES? OH WELL. STEVE JOBS IS A LIBERAL AND WINGNUT DAD CAN’T ALLOW HIS KIDDIES TO FALL FOR THAT LIBERAL BIAS. SURE IS TOUGH BEING A WINGNUT.

    IF THE LAW WAS BROKEN, LET THE CHIPS FALL WHERE THEY MAY, BUT STEVE JOBS’ EXCELLENT WINNING STREAK IS THE ENVY OF ANY CEO.

  78. 91

    rob spews:

    Re: 86. YOS LIBTARD, you really do live in an alternative universe don’t you. Do you liberals get you information out of your bong water or what?

    http://www.newsmax.com/archive.....5403.shtml

    11:30 a.m.: National funeral service at cathedral. Irish tenor Ronan Tynan will perform Franz Schubert’s “Ave Maria.” Former Sen. John C. Danforth, R-Mo., is officiating. Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O’Connor will read John Winthrop’s “We shall be as a City Upon a Hill.” Eulogies planned by President Bush, former President George H.W. Bush, former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and former Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney

  79. 92

    YOS LIB BRO spews:

    It’s that he used the TIME HONERED LIBERAL TRADITION of falsifying documents.

    PROBABLY YET ANOTHER WINGNUT FANTASY LIKE ABLE DANGER AND THE GORELICK WALL.

    JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING YOU GUYS DRAG IN HERE IS HALF-ASSED. YOUR RECORD SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.

  80. 93

    rob spews:

    RE: 90. I bought both of my children IPOD’s YOS LIBTARD. Thanks for asking though. By the way, have you reproduced or did your wife/girlfriend/boyfriend abort?

  81. 94

    anti-liberal spews:

    Maybe ‘Don’t pull the plug on my majority’ Harry will hit a funeral exploitation trifecta with maa nam is Jimma Cawta, sleepybeepy Bader and Tim Johnson.

    The only question that will remain is, can goldstien make it to 3 more little liberal training camps?

  82. 98

    YOS LIB BRO spews:

    HEY ROB! WHY DID YOU BUY YOUR KIDS IPODS? DON’T YOU KNOW STEVE JOBS PUMP SUBLIMINAL LIBERAL PROPAGANDA THROUGH THOSE THINGS? I MUST HAVE READ THAT IN NEWSWHACKS.COM OR WINGNUT DAILY! OR MAYBE IT WAS DRUDGE!

    DID YOU READ THE STORY IN WINGNUT DAILY ABOUT HOW SOY MILK CAN TURN YOUR SON INTO A HOMOSEXUAL? GEE I CAN’T SEE ANY WINGNUT CAN GET BY WITHOUT A DAILY DOSE OF WINGNUT DAILY!

  83. 100

    rob spews:

    RE: 99 YOS LIBTARD uses the other TIME HONERED LIBERAL TRADITION of lying when the facts don’t support your rhetoric. You lied in #86 LIBTARD, why did you do that?

  84. 101

    anti-liberal spews:

    YOS LIB BRO says:
    DID YOU READ THE STORY IN WINGNUT DAILY ABOUT HOW SOY MILK CAN TURN YOUR SON INTO A HOMOSEXUAL? GEE I CAN’T SEE ANY WINGNUT CAN GET BY WITHOUT A DAILY DOSE OF WINGNUT DAILY!

    12/28/2006 at 7:50 pm

    and yet here YOU are, reciting chapter and verse!
    Poor, dumb sphincter.

  85. 102

    YOS LIB BRO spews:

    have you reproduced or did your wife/girlfriend/boyfriend abort?

    ROB IF I HAD A DOLLAR FOR EVERY PRO-LIFER WHO HARASSED PEOPLE AT CLINICS, BLATHERED ON ABOUT THEIR VIEWS AND THEN WENT ON TO HAVE ABORTIONS THEMSELVES, I’D BE SET FOR LIFE.

    HYPOCRISY IS THE CLASSIC M.O. FOR A WINGNUT.

  86. 103

    rob spews:

    Re: 102, I take that as a NO that you don’t have kids then? If that is the case I would appreciate your leaving mine out of this discussion asshole.

  87. 104

    anti-liberal spews:

    he asked you a QUESTION, sphincter… he didn’t run out and “harass” anyone, anywhere.

    Do you understand the concept of question?
    Do you understand the concept of non-sequitor?

    Clearly, you grasp the concept of stupid remarks to avoid facts.

  88. 105

    YOS LIB BRO spews:

    SORRY ROB, NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS WHETHER I HAVE KIDS OR NOT. YOU DIDN’T HAVE TO ADMIT THAT YOU BOUGHT A LIBERAL’S PRODUCTS FOR YOUR KIDS.

    A-L: THE LATEST WINGNUT BULLSHIT GETS TO ME FROM TIME TO TIME. IT’S HILARIOUS THE GARBAGE YOU GUYS SWALLOW FROM DRUDGE, VIAGRA BOY, FAUX NEWS AND THE REST OF THE MOTLEY CREW!

  89. 106

    rob spews:

    Re: 105, I have no time for this sterile little prick anymore. He dodges the most simple questions quicker than Bill Clinton. I happen to be proud of my kids LOS STERILE LIBTARD. I talk about them alot, not with liars like you though who aren’t worth talking to.

  90. 107

    YOS LIB BRO spews:

    HEY ROB I DIDN’T LIE. DUBYA ATTENDED THE G-8 SUMMIT WHILE SAINT RAYGUN WAS LYING IN STATE. DUBYA COULD HAVE DUMPED ALL THOSE SOCIALISTS IN THE G-8 TO BOO HOO WITH THE REST OF THE WINGNUTS OVER RONNIE BUT HE HAD “OTHER PRIORITIES”.

    SO IT’S OK WHEN DUBYA ATTENDS THE G-8 BUT NOT OK WHEN HARRY REID GOES ON A TRADE MISSION THAT WAS PROBABLY PLANNED MONTHS IN ADVANCE.

  91. 109

    YOS LIB BRO spews:

    ROB I HAVE FEELING YOU’LL BE COMING BACK. I’LL BE HERE.

    IT’LL TAKE A WHOLE GENERATION FOR THIS COUNTRY TO DIG ITSELF OUT OF THE HOLE DUG BY DUBYA ENABLERS LIKE YOURSELF.

    YOU HAVE 2 CHOICES 1) “STAY THE COURSE” 2) GET OUT OF THE WAY WHILE THE ADULTS RUN THINGS.

    I JUST KNOW YOU’RE GOING TO PICK 1.

  92. 111

    rob spews:

    Re: 109 YOS STERILE LIBTARD. I know you will always be here LIBTARD, I come here once or twice a week and you are always here. It’s obvious that you have no family, friends or intelligence so where else would you be? You will be here trying but failing to debate. You will continue to lie and not provide links to anything you believe you want to lie about at the time, because there are no links and there is no reality in your world.

    YOS STERILE LIBTARD. I can see why you will always be here.

  93. 113

    YOS LIB BRO spews:

    ROB ARE YOU SO SELF-DELUDED TO THINK YOU COME HERE TO DEBATE?

    ROB YOU JUST DRAG IN THE LATEST CRAP FROM HANNITY, LIMBAUGH OR DRUDGE AND YOU CALL THAT FACTS?

    STERILE? AGAIN MORE WINGNUT PROJECTION. KEEP DIGGING THAT HOLE FOR YOURSELF ROB.

  94. 114

    Mike Webb SUCKS spews:

    Rob, Anti-liberal: You are blogging with Clueless’ alter ego Yos Lib Bro. He needed an alter ego because he claimed to leave. But he blogged all the same crap. Libtards can’t change their stripes; especially the yellow stripe down their back!

  95. 115

    YOS LIB BRO spews:

    WELL, WELL MWS HAS JOINED THE PARTY.

    LET’S HEAR SOME MORE WINGNUT BULLSHIT MWS. HOW’D THAT WORK FOR YOU ON NOV 7?

    ALL THAT NAME-CALLING? ALL THAT REGURGITATION OF CRAP YOU’VE SWALLOWED FROM COUNTLESS WINGNUT SOURCES?

    HOW’D IT WORK FOR YOU MWS?

  96. 116

    spews:

    This blog is a like a magnet for the few unreflective idiots from the right to come rant, disrupt conversation, and just make stupid comments that have no basis in reality. Which is why I don’t come here often. I enjoy dialogue. I abhor idealogues talking to themselves.

  97. 117

    jsa on commercial drive spews:

    MWS @ 69:

    Since you Moonbat!s[sic] claim we neocons send our children to private school, it had to be a rich libtard who wanted their child close school entrance so they wouldn’t be ATTACKED by the losers!

    I’ve read this, I’ve scratched my head over it, I turned it upside down and tried to parse it for meaningful content and decided that you were trying to be funny.

    I was going to say something about conservatives just not being funny, but that’s untrue. P.J. O’Rourke is a fucking riot. Trey Parker and Matt Stone aren’t to my liking, but a lot of folks left and right think they’re the shizznit.

    Frankly, you sound really angry and resentful MWS. That’s not a good well to dig for laughs. I thought fortune had smiled on you and blessed you with wealth, wisdom, and copious free time to post on HA. Is there something missing in your life that hard work, a well-padded bank account and good breeding failed to give you?

    Take a few days to think about it and get back to me. I’m off tomorrow for a ski vacation in Banff. Take care!

  98. 118

    anti-liberal spews:

    The Communist (LIBERALS AND DEMOCRAPS) Takeover Of America – 45 Declared Goals
    From Greg Swank
    12-4-02

    You are about to read a list of 45 goals that found their way down the halls of our great Capitol back in 1963. As you read this, 39 (now 42) years later, you should be shocked by the events that have played themselves out. I first ran across this list 3 years ago but was unable to attain a copy and it has bothered me ever since. Recently, Jeff Rense posted it on his site and I would like to thank him for doing so. http://www.rense.com

    Communist (LIBERALS AND DEMOCRAPS) Goals (1963) Congressional Record–Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963

    Current Communist (LIBERALS AND DEMOCRAPS) Goals EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Thursday, January 10, 1963.

    Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.
    At Mrs. Nordman’s request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following “Current Communist (LIBERALS AND DEMOCRAPS) Goals,” which she identifies as an excerpt from “The Naked Communist,” by Cleon Skousen:

    [From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen]

    1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

    2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

    3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

    4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

    5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

    6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

    7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

    8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev’s promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

    9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

    10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

    11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

    12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

    13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

    14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

    15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

    16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

    17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

    18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

    19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

    20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

    21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

    22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to “eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.”

    23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. “Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art.”

    24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.

    25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

    26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”

    27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a “religious crutch.”

    28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”

    29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

    30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man.”

    31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the “big picture.” Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

    32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture–education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

    33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

    34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

    35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

    36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

    37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

    38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

    39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

    40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

    41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

    42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.

    43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

    44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

    45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.

    Note by Webmaster: The Congressional Record back this far has not be digitized and posted on the Internet. It will probably be available at your nearest library that is a federal repository. Call them and ask them. Your college library is probably a repository. This is an excellent source of government records. Another source are your Congress Critters. They should be more than happy to help you in this matter. You will find the Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto interesting at this point.
    Webmaster Forest Glen Durland found the document in the library.

    Sources are listed below.

    Microfilm: California State University at San Jose Clark Library, Government Floor Phone (408)924-2770 Microfilm Call Number: J 11.R5

    Congressional Record, Vol. 109 88th Congress, 1st Session Appendix Pages A1-A2842 Jan. 9-May 7, 1963 Reel 12

    1963- The Year That Changed America
    By Greg Swank
    12-4-02

    Over the years, I have shared in debates and discussions regarding the current state of affairs in the U.S., and the changing social climate of this great nation. Since the “baby-boomer” generation, society and its culture have become noticeably different than the way it was 50 years ago. From the late 50′s to the 70′s a series of events took place contributing to the way we are currently living. However, like anything else, there has to be a starting point at which the wheels are put into motion. Sometimes it can be a single event, such as war, but more often, it is a series of events, some intentional, some planned, others unpredictable. There is always a pivotal point when things begin to change. I believe that time was 1963.

    For my generation, some of the following will certainly stir old memories. If you born later, this may serve as a brief history lesson into the times your parents traveled through.

    By 1963 television was the leading sources of entertainment. The public enjoyed a different type of programming back then. Lessons on life could be viewed weekly on “Leave it to Beaver” or “My Three Sons.” There were hero’s back then that never drew blood, “The Lone Ranger” and “The Adventures of Superman.” Cartoon series evolved, such as, “The Flintstones” and “The Jetsons” without messages of empowering the children, using vulgarities or demeaning parental guidance. Family’s could spend a weekend evening watching “Ed Sullivan,” “Bonanza” or “Gunsmoke.” For those who enjoyed thrill and suspense, we were blessed with “Alfred Hitchcock Presents” and the “Twilight Zone.” ‘My Favorite Martian,” “Ozzie and Harriet,” “Donna Reed” and “Sea Hunt” also kept viewers entertained weekly.

    Movie theaters were not multiplex units with 15 screens, rather, one single, giant big screen with adequate sound and hard seats without springs. “Tom Jones” had won the Academy award for best picture. “How The West Was Won,” “Cleopatra,” “Lily of the Fields,” “The Great Escape,” “The Birds,” and “It’s a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World” were all box office hits.

    By years end, “The Beatles” had played for the British Royal Family and were laying the groundwork to conquer the U.S. the following year. Eric Clapton began his journey to fame with Jeff Beck, Jimmy Page, Jim McCarty and their band, “The Yardbirds.” Out on the west coast the surf was beginning to rock’n’roll with “The Beach Boys” and their first song to reach the top ten list, “Surfin’ U.S.A.”

    “Joys of Jell-O” recipes for quivering florescent foodstuff hit the stores. U.S. Postal rates went up to five cents for the first ounce. AT&T introduced touch-tone telephones. The Yankees played in the World Series again; but lost to the Dodgers in four straight. The government and NASA began the Apollo program.

    This is just a brief snapshot of some things that were going on back in 1963. Remember?

    While some of these events played an important role in the direction of change that affect us today, many of them were lost to much greater, more political events, that I believe put everything into motion.

    On January 10, 1963, the House of Representative and later the Senate began reviewing a document entitled “Communist (LIBERALS AND DEMOCRAPS) Goals for Taking Over America.” It contained an agenda of 45 separate issues that, in hindsight was quite shocking back then and equally shocking today. Here, in part, are some key points listed in that document.

    4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

    5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

    8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states.

    11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind.

    13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

    16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

    23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. “Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art.”

    24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.

    25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

    26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”

    27. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a “religious crutch.”

    28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”

    40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

    44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

    You can see the entire list on this web page – http://www.truthtrek.net/politics/takeover.htm

    Now, I am not saying that the U.S. is under some kind of Communist (LIBERALS AND DEMOCRAPS) control, but what I do find frightening, is of the 45 issues listed, nearly all of them have come to pass. Remember this was in January 1963.

    In 1963 the news media showed women burning their bras as the women’s liberation movement took off with the publishing of “The Feminine Mystique” by Betty Friedan. Martin Luther King was jailed in April and civil unrest was being brought to the forefront. On August 28th the media brought us live coverage of the march on Washington and Dr. Kings famous “I had a dream” speech. The Cuban missile crisis found its way in to our homes and our nation was gearing up for conflict.

    By September of 1963 we had lost some very influential people, Pope John XXIII, Robert Frost, and country legend Patsy Cline, to name a few. In the early hours of November 22nd we learned of the quiet passing of C.S. Lewis and hours later we were brought to our knees when President John F. Kennedy was assassinated and our nation mourned.

    So you see, while long since forgotten, 1963 could very well have been, one of the most important years since our founding fathers provided us with the Constitution of the United States. Which brings me to one final and extremely important decision that was made during this most provocative year.

    On June 17, 1963 the U.S. Supreme Court concluded that any Bible reciting or prayer, in public schools, was deemed unconstitutional.

    While American’s have endured great prosperity over the past 40 years we have also lost our moral compass and direction. In reviewing the research, data supports 1963 as a focal point, demonstrating a downward slope in our moral and social decline through 2001.

    Certainly, one would have to agree that all of these events have had a profound impact on the way our current social structure has been changed. Personally, if I had to choose one specific event that has demonstrated the demoralization of our country, it would have to be the decision of the U.S Supreme Court in June of 1963.

    But there is always “hope.”

    12-7-02
    Jeff…adding a couple of my own numbers:
    __ 46. Import anti-white racists from the Third World, via an open-borders policy, then force their integration to divide and conquer white Western civilization in North America.
    __ 47. Feminize and disarm both the citizenry and military; especially disarm white males.

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    spews:

    antiliberal proves my point. A tract from the John Birch Society. Get real, AL, get a job and read something else on the reading list. Cuz, otherwise, you’re only going to be seen for the fascist you are.

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @58 You’ve got a point. Perhaps I should rethink my position on the last half of my previous statement.

  101. 121

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Here’s the new, improved, revised version: Hey wingnut! Go fuck yourself, and pet the armadillo you rode in on!

  102. 122

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Man the wingnutties HATE that warm and fuzzy stuff, especially when it comes to defenseless little animals. If it walks, crawls, flies, or swims — they’d rather KILL it.

  103. 124

    anti-liberal spews:

    Exhibiting your impotence of your ignorance with name calling won’t change the FACTS, Dan.

    “Sources are listed below.

    Microfilm: California State University at San Jose Clark Library, Government Floor Phone (408)924-2770 Microfilm Call Number: J 11.R5

    Congressional Record, Vol. 109 88th Congress, 1st Session Appendix Pages A1-A2842 Jan. 9-May 7, 1963 Reel 12″

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    118 You’ve been spendng too much time under powerlines. So has Mr. Swank, whoever the hell he is.

  105. 127

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    124 Holy shit, you’re citing the Congressional Record as a fucking SOURCE? See a shrink, son. Soon.

  106. 128

    anti-liberal spews:

    do we need a license to hunt puffed butt rodents or would that fall under common household pest extermination?

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    anti-liberal spews:

    How to Field Dress a Rabbit

    No need to carry all the extra weight while rabbit hunting.

    Steps
    Apply pressure from the bottom of the rib cage while moving your hand down to the rabbit’s anus.
    Repeat this until you can feel the entrails loosen.
    Spread your legs, and hold the rabbit by the front legs.
    With the rabbit facing you, flip the rabbit down with moderate pressure.
    The entrails will exit the rabbit through his anus.
    Thus providing you with a field dressed hare and less weight to carry.

    Warnings
    Don’t flip too hard or you might be wearing a hat of Rabbit entrails.
    Do not allow your dog to eat the entrails — they could cause problems later.

    Skinning And Dressing Rabbits

    Rabbits are killed by one of two methods. The preferred method is dislocation of the neck. The rabbit is held firmly by the rear legs and head; it is stretched full length. Then with a hard, sharp pull, the head is bent backward to dislocate the neck. The rabbit can also be struck a hard, quick blow to the skull behind the ears. A blunt stick or side of the hand is commonly used to incapacitate the rabbit. Both methods quickly render the rabbit unconscious.
    After dislocation or stunning, the rabbit is hung by one of the hind legs above the hock joint. The head is immediately removed to allow complete bleeding. The forefeet are then removed. The next step is to cut the skin around the hock joints of the legs and then to cut between these points across the lower part of the body. Remove the tail and pull the skin down and forward over the body. The skins of young or fryer age rabbits are easily removed in this way; it is more difficult to remove the skins of older rabbits. If skins are saved, they should be handled as indicated in the Rabbit Skins and Pelts section below.

    After the head, forefeet and skin are removed, the carcass, while still hanging, is opened to remove the viscera. Make a cut from the lower part of the abdomen near the anus to the mid-point of the lowest rib. The intestinal tract and lungs are normally removed. Liver, kidneys, and heart remain with the carcass. Remove the carcass from the hanger and cut off the rear feet at the hock joint.

    Wash the carcass with clean, cold water to remove hair and any other soil or debris, and store it at a cold temperature, preferably at 35oF. and not over 40oF. Do not hold dressed carcasses for any length of time in water as they absorb excess moisture which becomes considered as a contaminant.

    Rabbit Skins And Pelts
    Rabbit skins and pelts vary widely in quality and value. The different types of fur characteristics vary depending on the breed type. Skins from the young of any breed are normally of poor quality and of less value than those from adult animals. Those with dense fur, that is not easily removed from the skin, are most desirable.
    Preparation of skins or pelts begins with the removal at slaughter. Exercised care to avoid cuts or tears, and removal of body fat that often remains attached to the skin. As the pelts are removed, turn them inside out while still warm and moist. Place them on wire stretchers or shapers with the front leg casings on one side. Shapers can be made from No. 9 gauge galvanized wire. The shapers extend or expand the pelts to their full length, but do not stretch them out of shape. Fasten the rear legs to the ends of the wire shapers with a clothes pins or some other fastener. Hang the pelts in a well-ventilated drying area, but not in direct sunlight. After the skins are dry the wire shaper is removed.

    Tanning Skins
    Regardless of the method used for tanning, proper preparation of the skin is an important step. This involves softening, removal of the adhering fat and flesh, and removal of oil in the skin. Open the skin with a midline cut along the ventral or belly side so that it can be stretched on a flat surface. Scrape adhering flesh and fat from the skin using a blunt knife or similar object. Removing all oil is essential for proper tanning. Working the skin in gasoline or other fat solvent is desirable to remove the last traces of fat.

    RABBIT STEW

    Recipe By :
    Serving Size : 1 Preparation Time :0:00
    Categories : Meats Main dish
    Stews

    Amount Measure Ingredient — Preparation Method
    ——– ———— ——————————–
    3 Rabbits cut into pieces
    1 c Flour
    1/4 c Olive oil
    1/2 c Onions, chopped
    2 Garlic clove, minced
    1/4 c Wine, sherry, dry
    1 c Chicken broth
    1 c Game marinade, strained
    1 t Thyme
    1 t Sage
    1 t Cayenne pepper
    1/4 c Parsley, minced
    Salt & pepper to taste

    Dust pieces in flour and shake off excess. Brown in olive oil on all sides in a large black iron pot Remove and keep warm. Add onions and garlic to same oil; cook until clear, not brown. Drain off excess oil
    and replace rabbit. Pour on sherry. Add broth and strained marinade. Bring to boil then reduce heat to simmer, covered, for 1 to 1-1/2 hours.

    Rabbit Coq Au Vin how appropriate for the cowardly fuck

    8 rabbit thighs
    Salt
    Freshly ground black pepper
    2 cups plus 2 tablespoons flour
    1 egg
    2 tablespoons milk
    12 ounces bacon chopped
    1 pint pearl onions, peeled
    ¼ cup chopped shallots
    2 tbs. chopped garlic
    1 tbs. chopped fresh thyme
    2 bay leaves
    3 cups fruity Wine
    2 cups brown chicken stock
    2 tbs. butter
    1 tbs. finely chopped parsley

    Season the rabbit with salt and pepper.
    In a shallow pan, add 2 cups of the flour.
    Season with salt and pepper.
    In another shallow bowl, whisk the egg and milk together. Season with salt and pepper. Dredge the rabbit in the seasoned flour.
    Dip the rabbit in the egg wash, letting the excess drip off. Dredge the rabbit back in the seasoned flour, coating completely.
    In a large hot oven proof skillet with a lid, render the bacon until crispy about 6 to 8 minutes. Remove the crispy bacon from the pan and reserve.
    Lay the rabbit skin side down in the hot bacon fat and brown the rabbit for 3 to 4 minutes on each side. Remove the rabbit from the pan and set aside.
    Add the onions to the bacon fat and sauté for 2 minutes.
    Add the mushrooms, shallots, and garlic, sauté for 2 minutes.
    Season with salt and pepper. Add the thyme and bay leaves.
    Add the rabbit to the vegetable mixture. Add the wine and chicken stock.
    Bring the liquid up to a simmer and cover. Cook the rabbit until very tender about 30 to 35 minutes skimming off the fat. Remove the rabbit pieces from the pan and set aside. Blend the remaining flour and butter together into a smooth paste. Whisk the paste into hot liquid. Bring the liquid to a simmer and cook for 3 to 4 minutes.
    Add the rabbit back to the pan and continue to cook for 5 minutes. Stir in the parsley. Season with salt and pepper if needed. Serve the Coq Au Vin in individual bowls with crusty bread. Garnish with the reserved crispy bacon. Yield: 4 servings

    Young Jackrabbit in Marinade YOUNG eliminates a pathetic old fart who shits here
    2 jackrabbits, sectioned
    *Marinade for young jackrabbit
    1 cup flour
    1/8 tsp. garlic salt
    1/8 tsp. onion salt or powder
    1/8 black or white pepper
    ¾ cup cracker crumbs
    Canola oil or margarine

    Marinate sectioned rabbits for 24 hours in sealable plastic bag.
    Discard marinade.
    Add flour, garlic salt, onion salt, pepper and cracker crumbs to sectioned meat in bag. Seal bag and shake to coat meat.
    Fry meat over low to medium heat in skillet with canola oil or margarine. Servings: 6-8

    *Marinade for Young Jackrabbit
    1 can beer
    2 onions, sliced
    Garlic powder, sprinkle
    Paprika, sprinkle
    ¼ tsp. ground clove
    ¼ tsp. nutmeg
    2 large bay leaves
    Tarragon, pinch

    Mix all ingredients together for a marinade that will help “tame” jackrabbit, which is a strong-flavored dark meat. This may be cooked separately and served on top of the meat.

    Colonial Rabbit
    2 rabbits, sections
    Flour
    1 tbs. olive oil
    1 can chicken broth or stock
    ½ onion, diced
    3 carrots, peeled and coined
    3 bay leaves
    1 clove garlic, pressed
    1 small can tomato paste
    ¼ cup very cold water
    2 tbs. flour
    4 tbs. currant jelly
    ½ lb. mushrooms, sliced

    Flour meat and brown in skillet with oil.
    Remove meat from pan. Add chicken broth and bring to a boil.
    Stir in onion, carrots, bay leaves and garlic and simmer for 20-30 minutes.
    Add tomato puree and continue to simmer.
    Remove ¼ cup broth from pan and combine with water and flour, mixing until smooth. Return rabbit to pan.
    When rabbit is cooked through, remove from mixture.
    Strain the mixture to catch bones.
    Sauté mushroom and add to broth or serve on the side. Servings 4-6

    Snowshoe Pot Roast
    2 young snowshoe hares
    *Maringade for Snowshoe Post Roast
    ½ onion sliced
    Paprika, sprinkle
    Garlic powder, sprinkle
    1 cup stock or 1 can chicken broth
    6 potatoes peeled and cubed
    12 carrots, peeled and sliced

    Preheat oven to 275º. Marinate two hares in large sealable plastic bag for 24 hours. Place hares, with marinade, into roasting pot and add onion.
    Sprinkle meat with paprika and garlic powder. Add stock or chicken broth to pot. Roast, covered for 1 ½ hours. Add potatoes and carrots and continue to cook until vegetables are finished. Add more liquid, baste and turn hares as needed.
    Meat is finished when it falls off the bones.
    Place hares on serving dish surrounded by potatoes and carrots. Servings: 4-6

    *Marinade for Snowshow Post Roast
    2 cups Burgundy wine
    2 cups stock or 1 can chicken broth
    ¼ tsp. nutmeg, ground
    ¼ tarragon
    ½ onion, sectioned

    Mix wine and stock or broth and transfer to large plastic storage bag.
    Add nutmeg, tarragon and onion. Shake to mix.

    Rabbit in Tarragon Sauce
    Can be served over pasta.
    2 rabbits, cut into serving pieces
    Salt and pepper
    4 tbs. olive oil
    1 cup onion, chopped
    1 cup carrot, peeled and chopped
    1 cup celery, chopped
    Flour
    2 cans chicken broth
    ½ cup sherry
    2 tsp. tarragon
    1 cup heave whipping cream
    1 tbs. Dijon mustard
    ¼ cup parsley, minced

    Season rabbit with salt and pepper.
    Place olive oil in skillet and brown rabbit.
    Remove meat and drain on paper towel.
    Add onion, carrot and celery to skillet. Sauté 5 minutes.
    Stir in enough flour to make a paste. Blend in broth, sherry and tarragon.
    Return rabbit to skillet. Bring sauce to a boil and reduce heat to simmer.
    Baste meat frequently for 45-60 minutes.
    Remove rabbit to serving platter and keep warm in oven.
    Strain and degrease sauce, discarding vegetables.
    Return remaining sauce to skillet and add cream.
    Simmer until thickened, stirring frequently.
    Remove from heat and add mustard and parsley.
    Pout over sauce over rabbit and serve.

    Rabbit Filipino
    2 rabbits, sectioned
    *Marinade for Rabbit Filipino
    2 tbs. cornstarch

    Marinate in special marinade for rabbit filipino 4 hours in the refrigerator.
    Place marinade and meat in a 3-4 qt. uncovered cooking pot or Dutch oven.
    Bring contents to a boil over medium heat. Reduce hear and simmer, stirring occasionally to keep meat from sticking. Simmer 30 to 40 minutes, or until rabbit is tender. Remove meat and bay leaves from marinade and allow to cool.
    Place ½ cup marinade in a shaker with cornstarch and shake to mix.
    Use only enough marinade/cornstarch to thicken the rest of the marinade.
    Discard what is not needed. Ladle marinade over the rabbit and serve.

    *Marinade for Rabbit Filipino
    5 tbs. soy sauce
    ¼ cup palm vinegar
    3 cloves garlic, crushed or pressed
    2 bay leaves.
    ½ tsp. white pepper

    In a stainless steel or glass bowl, combine all ingredients. Mix well.

    Rabbit Fricassee
    2 cups red wine
    2 tbs. lemon juice
    2 bay leaves
    1 tsp. thyme
    ¼ tsp. marjoram
    Salt and Pepper
    1 tsp. garlic powder
    2 rabbits, cut into serving pieces
    2 tbs. olive oil
    1 onion, chopped
    2 cloves garlic, minced
    2 tbs. cornstarch

    Mix wine, lemon juice, bay leaves, thyme, marjoram, salt, pepper and garlic powder to make marinade. Place rabbit in large baking dish and pour marinade over rabbit.
    Cover and refrigerate overnight. Remove rabbit from marinade when ready to cook and dry well. Strain marinade and save.
    Heat oil in a large skillet. Sauté onions and garlic.
    Cover and simmer 1-1 ½ hours or until tender. Servings: 6-8

    Rabbit Braised in Wine
    2 rabbits, cut into serving pieces
    Salt and pepper
    Flour
    2 tbs. olive oil
    2 onions, sliced
    2 cloves garlic, minced
    6 carrots, peeled and sliced
    1 lb. fresh mushrooms, sliced
    2 tbs. fresh parsley, minced
    ¼ tsp. thyme
    ½ tsp. oregano, rubbed
    4 bay leaves
    2 cups dry white wine

    Preheat oven to 350º. Salt and pepper rabbit and coat with flour.
    Place oil, onions, garlic, carrots and mushrooms in large casserole dish.
    Place rabbit on top of vegetables. Sprinkle with parsley, thyme and oregano.
    Add bay leaves and wine. Cover and bake 1 hour or until rabbit is tender.
    Remove bay leaves before serving. Servings: 6-8

    Rabbit Sauté
    Serve over a bed of rice.
    3 tbs. olive oil
    2 rabbits, cut into serving pieces
    4 cloves garlic, minced
    2 large onions, minced
    1 cup white wine
    2 16-oz tomato paste
    1 tsp. thyme
    4 bay leaves
    1 tsp. sweet basil, rubbed
    1 tsp. dry parsley
    1 can black olives

    Heat olive oil in large skillet and brown rabbit, garlic, and onions.
    Remove rabbit and drain on paper towel. Pour in wine and bring to a boil.
    Add tomato sauce, thyme, bay leaves, sweet basil and parsley.
    Stir well; return to skillet. Cover and simmer 30 minutes.
    Add olives and simmer 10 additional minutes. Servings: 6

    Crock Pot Rabbit more like RABBIT CROCKED again
    This dish is at its best served over rice with a fresh green salad.
    2 rabbits, cut into serving pieces
    1 cup celery, sliced
    1 cup carrots, peeled and sliced
    1 onion, chopped
    1 can water chestnuts, sliced
    2 cups fresh mushrooms, sliced
    3 cups chicken broth
    Salt and pepper
    2 Tbsp cornstarch
    ½ cup sherry

    Place all ingredients except cornstarch and sherry in crock pot and cook on low for 6 hours. Remove rabbit from pot. In a separate bowl, combine sherry and corn starch. Pour into crock pot to thicken the sauce. Return rabbit to the crock pot and mix. Servings: 6-8

    Rabbit Sauce Picante
    1 large wild or tamed rabbit (cut in 8 pieces)
    2 Tbsp butter
    1/2 cup chopped onion
    1/2 cup diced bellpepper
    1 Tbsp garlic
    1 12oz can tomato paste
    1 beef bouillion cube
    2 cups beef or rabbit stock
    1 cup all purpoose flour
    1 Tbsp lemon

    Melt butter in black iron pot then dredge rabbit pieces in the 2 cups of flour.
    Brown rabbits good on all sides, next add onions, bellpeppers, garlic
    and sautee stirring in the vegetables thoroughly. Turn heat to medium low, cover and simmer for 30 minutes, stirring occasionally. Next melt beef cubes in hot water and add to beef or rabbit stock. After simmering for 30 minutes add tomato paste and cook for 10 minutes, stirring often. Add remaining flour to the pot and stir in well. Cook for 5 minutes stirring very often. Next pour your liquid in gradually until reaching thickness desired (gravy should be like thick stew). Add salt, red and black pepper to taste.I usually add 1/2 Tbsp of Worchstershire sauce and three dashes af tabasco (I also live in Louisiana so its optional but accents rabbit great). Also add lemon.
    Serve with steamed rice garnished with fresh chopped parsley.

    Grippers Rabbit Pie
    3 young rabbits
    1 medium onion
    5 rashers of un smoked bacon
    2 cloves of garlic
    fresh herbs (rough chop parsley, thyme, chives, to taste)
    small glass of dry sherry
    frozen short crust pastry (unless you can make your own better)!
    seasoning
    1/2 pint double cream
    Clean and skin bunnies as usual,(you can reserve kidneys as garnish). Place in tray, whole and cover with bacon. Cook in moderate oven for about 15 mins.
    Meanwhile sweat sliced onions and crushed garlic in a pan until soft. Add sherry and reduce. When rabbits cooked, tear off as much meat as possible and add to pan with the bacon, choopped.Throw in herbs, add a little water if neccesary and cream. Roll out defrosted pastry about 1/4 inch thick and eggwash. Place rabbit mix in suitable pie dish and top with pastry. Cook in moderate oven until pastry golden.
    Pan fry kidneys in a little butter and serve as garnish.

    Serves four generously.

    OR YOU COULD JUST SHOOT THE SHIT OUT OF THE SUCKER AND LEAVE HIS ROTTING BLOATED CARCASS TO THE VULTURES

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    YOS LIB BRO spews:

    ANTI-LIBERAL – CONGRATUALATIONS. YOU HAVE REPLACED MTR AS WINGNUT OF THE YEAR IMHO.

    DON’T WORRY MTR, YOU’RE NOT FAR BEHIND AND FIRST LOSER FITS YOU TO A TEE.

    COPYING AND PASTING THAT QUAINT BIRCHER LITERATURE HAS TO BE A FIRST HERE AT HA.ORG. THE RABBIT RECIPES HAD TO BE A FIRST AS WELL.

    BASED ON PROUD LEFTIST’S CRITERIA, YOU TAKE THE CAKE IN THE GRIP ON REALITY CATEGORY. I DON’T THINK YOU SURPASS JCH’S LUNACY BUT YOU COME CLOSE – REAL CLOSE.

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    jsa on commercial drive spews:

    anti-liberal @ 118:

    Thanks so much for the cut-n-paste.

    PLEASE READ WHAT YOU POSTED CRITICALLY.

    1) The Congressional Record is public and published. If such a document existed (I’ll humor you. Maybe it did, maybe it didn’t) would anyone be so stupid as to publish it in a public record?

    2) A wonderful feature of the Congressional Record is that any member of Congress can edit, append, and abridge it more-or-less at will. The official reason for this is so that speakers can “clean up” their speeches afterwards, and remove verbal fumbles, awkward grammatical constructs, erms, humms, and so on. The reality is that this feature has been abused to create floor speeches out of whole cloth that never existed and to delete speeches that someone didn’t want on the record. This privilege of rewrite is not limited to one’s own remarks. It can be extended to any other speaker as well. So Congressman jsa can (theoretically) rewrite Congressman anti-liberals eloquent speech on traditional values to say:

    “I BEAT OFF TO PICTURES OF MONKEYS WHILE HUFFING MY OWN FARTS”

    (the fact this doesn’t happen more is a testament to how well Congress actually does work).

    That being true, if someone was dumb enough to read such a damning document into the Record, what are the odds that some other thoughtful member of Congress would fail to use his or her privilege to “edit, revise, and amend” that statement straight out of existence?

    3) Some of the facts in there are just plain wacky. UN recognition of China and US recognition weren’t even on China’s agenda in 1963. The US held off switching recognition of the PRC until 1978, making it one of the last countries in the developed world to switch recognition (postdating France by 17 years and such Liberal communistic countries as Japan and Germany by 8). If this was a stated liberal Communist goal, they just weren’t doing a very good job of it.

    4) This point is more supposition or thought experiment than anything else, but I want you to read the language that text was written in. Now, imagine if you will that you are a commie lib, and you believe that killing babies, gay marriage, One World Government, and all those things they scare you with are good things. Would you write those into a public document using conservative scare language? (i.e. would you write “homosexual” or “gay”? “Red China” or “People’s Republic of China”).

    I’m going to be out of the country for the next two weeks, so checking the Congressional Record may be tough. Just the same, I’ll make a friendly wager of $50 that once I check the CR, this statement, or anything even a little like it, just won’t be there. Are you game?

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @129 That certainly is very creative, not to mention a lot of work, and even a tad humorous.

    Of course, the first essential step in any of those recipes is — first, you have to CATCH the rabbit.

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    Maybe you could borrow a really fast skateboard from some kid here in the park.